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Macerthis wifi router has me about to throw it00:06
Macerespecially since i'm not really using it for "routing"00:06
Macerwell. i guess i am but still heh00:06
Macerthe n900 isn't taking very well to it at all00:07
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mashinathe N800 is really heavy03:52
mashinai feel like i could bludgeon someone with it03:53
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* freemangordon likes Pavel's style :)10:10
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psycho_oreosI wonder has anyone tried those microUSB Y cables, there was I guess one mentioning of it when RTLSDR stuff was being discussed but there was no "continuation" with the same subject.10:26
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DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: eh?10:43
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, talking about this: There's no fruit with that being mentioned.10:44
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: pali seems to adopt my style pretty well10:44
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: sorry? fruit?10:45
infobothostmode-powered is, like,
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, my bad. I meant there's no results with those one mentioning about it.. such question like if it works or not still lies fairly unknown.10:47
* psycho_oreos checks the link.10:47
DocScrutinizer05I can hardly see a way how it could fail10:48
DocScrutinizer05though the setup is a tad unfortunate, aiui it's a micro-A male plug that's not fitting into N900 without filing the plug down10:49
DocScrutinizer05it also looks like a micro-A to me10:50
psycho_oreosI was more so referring to the commercially made variant. Some people have reported the said commercially made cables to work with their embedded devices (namely android phones but then there was one reporting of where with raspberry pi it fails).10:50
psycho_oreosYou mean the little legs or teeth that micro-A has?10:51
DocScrutinizer05you'd be better of with a micro-B male plug, but the micro-B they mention is only for the receptacle at the charger leg10:51
DocScrutinizer05please check wikipedia for USB plugs10:52
DocScrutinizer05N900 has a micro-B receptacle, micro-A plug won't fit10:53
psycho_oreosThe only problem is with these dime-a-dozen ebay sellers, they don't make any specific mentioning if its micro-A or micro-B. I know for sure micro-B would definitely work afterall that's what N900 is using natively.10:53
psycho_oreosHmm :/ ok thanks.10:53
DocScrutinizer05you can however file down the micro-A profile to fit into micro-B10:53
psycho_oreosAhh yes I can clearly see what you mean there: The micro-A are more rectangular than micro-B.10:54
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psycho_oreos <-- I'd say that would most likely fit (albeit the pricing).10:56
psycho_oreosAlso reading those description blurbs, it's clearly evident that they make a mentioning if it's type A or type B. Hmm..10:58
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DocScrutinizer05this one looks better10:58
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psycho_oreosBetter than the one mentioned by xes?11:04
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DocScrutinizer05yes, much better11:06
psycho_oreosI guess in either way, the differences between micro-A and micro-B are clearly evident. It's not likely that one will be fooled for micro-A connector when the seller is declaring it's micro-B or micro-B compatible.11:06
DocScrutinizer05I guess a lot of sellers have no clue11:07
DocScrutinizer05the one referenced by xes clearly has none11:07
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DocScrutinizer05your link the seller mentions the fact that other sellers have no clue11:09
ApicA wonderful spendid Bureaucracy the 69th in the YOLD 3179!11:09
DocScrutinizer05micro-B plugs fit into micro-AB (aka OTG) receptacles. Micro-A plugs however don't fit into micro-B receptacles and probably often have a tight fit in micro-AB11:10
psycho_oreosAlbeit much cheaper imo :) apart from very long delivery time (the one xes mentioned). Upon closely looking at the xes referred one, I guess they do sort of say its micro-B and the photos upon closer inspection seems more like micro-B than micro-A.11:10
* DocScrutinizer05 fires a ddate11:10
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psycho_oreosYeah definitely micro-A won't fit into micro-B of the differences in shape.11:11
DocScrutinizer05read again, the seller only states gibvberish11:11
DocScrutinizer05and no, it doesn't exactly look like a micro-B plug11:12
DocScrutinizer05though there are no good photos to show11:12
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, might be a micro-B as well11:13
psycho_oreosThe last two statements by the seller xes mentioned is definitely gibberish.11:13
DocScrutinizer05hard to tell11:13
psycho_oreosDefinitely without better pictures it's hard to identify.11:19
DocScrutinizer05it's how much? 2 bucks? try it!11:19
psycho_oreosIt'll be a long wait, one buyer mentioned that it takes four weeks for delivery.11:20
DocScrutinizer05maybe visit a *good* phoneshop next to you?11:21
psycho_oreosBesides, the link I mentioned here looks much nicer imo. Despite the photo the seller for that link showing off having the Y cable plugged into his phone and memory stick is not the same as the one he is selling.11:21
DocScrutinizer05OTG cables, even Y cables, shouldn't be that exotic anymore11:21
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psycho_oreosThere's none as far as I'm aware. :/ I used to source microUSB adapters from overseas whilst travelling. Besides I guess there's no way for me to test until I get the ports fixed anyhow, *shrugs* will go shop around tomorrow in my time I suppose.11:23
DocScrutinizer05indeed a different pair of plugs11:23
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psycho_oreosAlso there's that stupid tax for electronics lol (which actually still applies here).11:24
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* DocScrutinizer05 needs to hurry, to get sth to eat before losing control11:25
psycho_oreosO.o cya! and thanks for input!11:25
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MrPinguSorry, I am in hurry but there seems to be package is missing on the server:12:51
MrPinguSee my reply on:
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psycho_oreosIf you piped that file into google you would see another mirror.13:23
MrPinguI know, but it's more about reporting this as it is a leftover of the migration13:25
MrPingualready got the deb file from one of the mirrors ;)13:25
DocScrutinizer05since when we're using raw IP addr?13:26
MrPinguSince that's what google returned me, after searching that particular thread13:27
MrPinguIgnore that, it's my fault13:27
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, you say this package is missing in extras-devel?13:30
MrPinguBut g2g13:31
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DrCodehi all13:33
DrCodeI want to setup proxy in wifi , is there possible to setup it from terminal?13:33
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DrCodeit has + and - to find the right port13:34
DrCodeI can't type it13:34
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DrCodeI go to wifi ap and advance13:35
DrCodeI can type proxy address, but port number need + or - key13:35
DrCodeI can't just type it ?13:36
DocScrutinizer05no, judst click into the numeric field and type the port number13:36
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DocScrutinizer05it doesn't _need_ (+) or (-)13:37
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DocScrutinizer05actually the (+) and (-) are touchscreen buttons13:37
DocScrutinizer05and they work for me13:38
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DrCodestrange it dosnt let me type port number even if I open keyboard13:38
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DocScrutinizer05it's in numeric mode13:39
DocScrutinizer05no bluekey13:39
DrCodeyes , it work now13:39
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DrCodewhen I setup proxy , I will be able to connect via gtalk and other IM?13:43
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DocScrutinizer05dang, mrpingu is right, it seems wirouterkeyrec is missing in extras-devel13:50
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^13:51
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: could you check and possibly fix this?13:51
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GeneralAntillesAh, good, some movement from Nokia on handover.16:42
jonwilwhat news is this?16:43
jonwili.e. does this benefit the community or is it just administrative stuff?16:43
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GeneralAntillesHopefully concluding contact negotiations with Nokia.16:44
GeneralAntillesMostly administrative/legal.16:44
GeneralAntillesMeans Nokia won't be able to yank the rug out from under us at least.16:49
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jonwilso exactly which domains are going to the community? * Some subset of that? Other domains?18:19
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mashinaso i've been on freenode for over 4 years.... wow18:24
mashinatime flies18:24
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ApicTime flies like an Arrow, Fruit Flies like a Banana.18:27
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: council to board: please consider, and the nokia repos19:10
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kerioplease also consider
kerioDocScrutinizer05: :P19:12
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DocScrutinizer05banana? I always found they like rotten fruit in general, except banana which don't rot mostly19:13
DocScrutinizer05kerio: next council term the will be no hiding and no escape for you!!!19:14
keriowhat have i done now?19:14
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: kerio: next council term there will be no hiding and no escape for you!!!19:14
DocScrutinizer05nothing yet ;-)19:14
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Maceri ordered a lumia 52119:23
Macerand what's funny is...19:23
Macerthe n900 is more expensive haha19:23
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Maceri think i'm tired of playing with devices. time to get something that simply works.19:24
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, it may be down to just getting something signed that ensures we don't lose everything before the Microsoft stuff steals all of the attention.19:28
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DocScrutinizer05Macer: you're simply refreshing... always :-S19:43
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DocScrutinizer05Macer: we for sure need that kind of prodding19:43
DocScrutinizer05Macer: honestly, take it to #android, I'm sure they are way more pleased to hear the very same words19:44
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Maceri wasn't being insulting.19:45
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Maceri'll still keep my n900 :)19:45
DocScrutinizer05I rhink ~98% of what I've seen you posting durng the last 12 months been "eeew, N900 is so terribly XXXXX"19:45
Maceri need to get a sim adapter for it tho.19:45
Macerthen you have very selective memory19:45
Macerbut it is always easier to remember the things we hate than those we like ;)19:46
MacerN900 is awesome. simply obsolete. has a bit more time i'm sure in the hobbyist area.19:47
Macersad thing about the N900 is you don't want it to be obsolete heh19:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: my n900 has a broken wifi :c19:47
keriogift me a new one!19:47
DocScrutinizer05point me to the last statement of yours that's eligible to give me the "now I know why I waste my time for this guy" moment19:48
* Macer points at " you don't want it to be obsolete."19:48
Macerwhile i said "you" it is implied that the "you" is 3rd person "I"19:49
Macerkerio: i have an e7.. want that? :)19:49
Maceri'd give anything for nokia drive on the n900 heh19:49
DocScrutinizer05I bet in 15 min you have 5 guys explaining to you why nokia drive is shite and what you should use instead19:51
DocScrutinizer05on a sidenote I updated marbel and narblemaps today19:52
DocScrutinizer05dang, marble*19:52
Macerwhy would they do that? n900 doesn't really have anything that is as good as. maybe some of the n900 apps have some unique features19:52
Macerbut most just want "say your destination" and directions pop up heh. nokia drive is awesome.19:52
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xeskerio: new life for your N900:
DocScrutinizer05maybe because their mileage may vary, and it's not your definition that rules the world on what's great and what's not19:53
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MacerDocScrutinizer05: i'd say in this # i would be the majority of users on the planet. give someone nokia drive and give them marble and see which one works out better heh19:54
Macerxes: wow that thing is neat19:54
DocScrutinizer05I wouldn't want any crappy app that exports all my audio to a distant rogue server, to do speech detection there19:54
Maceryou can type it in too and store local maps19:54
Macerfor the tin foil hat people ;)19:55
DocScrutinizer05Macer: honestly, you better take all that to #android19:55
Macerif they want to find you they'll find you DocScrutinizer05 heh19:55
Maceri don't have an android device tho19:55
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Maceractually deleted my entire google acct last week19:56
DocScrutinizer05and we have no nerves to read your eloquent explanations why N900 sucks19:56
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Macersaying that it is lacking in 1 app doesn't mean it sucks19:56
Macertelepathy is probably the best im/mms app there is19:56
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Macerwell.. conversations19:56
DocScrutinizer05just that in 2h it's the next app19:56
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kerioxes: that's sweet19:57
Macermicrob is awesome too albeit lacking power from the n900's hardware side19:57
keriois it supported by linux?19:57
DocScrutinizer05I'd estimate the "<macer> I'm done with this shit device now" posts and rants at an average of 3/week19:57
xeskerio... :) yep... but it seems discontinued19:57
kerioof course it is19:57
kerioit's a horrendous idea19:57
keriobut it means that you could get dual radios on n90019:57
keriowould libicd-network-wifi work with it?19:58
Macerkerio: tha is from 200619:58
Macertoo bad.. looks kind of awesome19:58
kerioit feels a bit longer than the usual µsd19:58
keriomaybe it won't fit19:59
Macerdoes it have storage too?19:59
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Macerit says it "protrudes"19:59
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: gimme a uSD with wifi and 1gb of ram-based storage!19:59
MacerDocScrutinizer05: naw. i've slowed down. mostly because i've been using the n900 for real world things instead of pretending it is a pocket computer20:00
Macerespecially when i realized it can sync to heh20:00
keriolike, 11n wifi20:00
Macerlike email, nav, banking, talking, txting, etc. not trying to find out if i can build znc on it and set it up to act as a shell box while on the go with my laptop hopping across diner free wifi hehe20:03
DocScrutinizer05outlook? wtf is outlook?20:04 .. you have to say the whole thing. like a tribe called quest20:05
Macerrephrase: it can connect to's exchange connector using mail for exchange and sync cal, mail, contacts20:06
xes...mmm...could we apply here an auto kick filter to ban everyone that starts talking about 0utl00k?20:07
Macerxes: in relationship to connecting an n900 to it? some people might want to know how to do that heh20:07
Macergeez. when did this room get so serious. i miss lcuk.20:08
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xesMacer: you are right. So far you are the second one talking about is good. at least imo. nice interface20:11
Macerxes: how long did it take you to load that link?20:12
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xes..more than a minute20:14
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DocScrutinizer05sometimes it even times out20:14
DocScrutinizer05funny enough that Macer complains about room got serious when xes posts sth I conceife as a pun20:15
DocScrutinizer05conceive even20:15
jonwilanyone know how fits into all this community stuff (or for that matter, what it actually is :)20:16
xeskerio: this company is still producing this adapter and also a microsd with NFC. !!20:16
Macerjust seemed like it took a long time. Lithuania internet heh20:16
DocScrutinizer05some obsolete stuff afaik20:16
DocScrutinizer05nix lithuana internet. server doing a fulltext grep on a several gb set of textfiles20:17
Macerxes: is the nand just to boot the wifi fw?20:18
DocScrutinizer05I suggested several times to mgedmin to add a time range filter option to the search function20:18
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Maceror does it double as actual storage?20:19
xesMacer: sorry?20:19
Macerthat wifi sd20:19
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Macerin the diagram it has "nand flash"20:19
Macerdoes the microsd act as wifi + storage?20:20
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xesMacer: never tried this. I still have an old spectec wifi sd  sleeping in the dust somewhere.. Btw i don't think in a microsd there is enough space for both20:21
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DocScrutinizer05I actually wonder how there's enough space for WiFi20:23
jogamaybe not on microsd?20:24
* DocScrutinizer05 glares at that µSD that has a literal sticker on the contact side to cover the chip20:24
DocScrutinizer05I peeled it off a tiny bit and traces appeared20:25
DocScrutinizer05dude, that's one crappy uSD20:25
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infobotit has been said that maemo-dev is
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; some uSD cards have visible traces as "standard"22:35
DocScrutinizer05one more, mompls22:37
ShadowJKoh that's cooler22:38
ApicFine, fine.22:39
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ShadowJKI thought this was what you meant by traces:
ShadowJKThe traces going to and from the terminals22:48
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