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| psycho_oreos | It's on the github. | 00:06 |
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| useretail | which one? do you have a link? | 00:16 |
| psycho_oreos | Correction, gitorious, not github: http://gitorious.org/linux-n900 | 00:19 |
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| phobos` | hey guys | 01:08 |
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| phobos` | my /var/run/resolv.conf has this written in it | 01:08 |
| phobos` | nameserver 172.16.13.219 | 01:09 |
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| phobos` | nameserver 203.82.48.3 | 01:09 |
| phobos` | is this normal | 01:09 |
| phobos` | cuz my gprs is not working on n900, just stopped working a lil while back | 01:09 |
| psycho_oreos | It's whatever your DHCP provider gave for your resolv.conf. | 01:09 |
| psycho_oreos | There's a thread on maemo.org. | 01:10 |
| phobos` | the /etc/resolv.conf contains 127.0.0.1 | 01:10 |
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| phobos` | ok can i just delete all these enntries wil they be created auto if i restart device? | 01:10 |
| psycho_oreos | That's localhost, also dnsmasq does that.. It adds 127.0.0.1 to the head of /etc/resolv.conf | 01:10 |
| psycho_oreos | They should be created automatically pending on dnsmasq (which normally should be at boot) and then DHCP via networking. | 01:11 |
| phobos` | hmm | 01:12 |
| phobos` | ok i'll take a copy of these delete entries | 01:12 |
| psycho_oreos | If there's no networks connected chances are there would be no extra lines below 'nameserver 127.0.0.1'. | 01:12 |
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| * psycho_oreos bets your router would have told your N900 those extra nameservers. | 01:14 | |
| phobos` | in /etc/resolv.conf there is nothing but the 127.0.0.1 | 01:14 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah, again.. dnsmasq. | 01:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | If you just rebooted your device and have re-connected back onto the network. After you got your DHCP lease, you don't see any extra entries below that line, chances are you most likely would have set those yourself. | 01:15 |
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| phobos` | hm | 01:16 |
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| phobos` | the device rebooted its conneting to internet now | 01:22 |
| phobos` | but all the entries are same everywhere, the /var/run/resolv.conf has again got the same IPs | 01:22 |
| phobos` | but things r now working | 01:22 |
| * psycho_oreos doesn't know what was not working before. | 01:23 | |
| phobos` | lol | 01:23 |
| phobos` | device cudnt access the internet :) | 01:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | That sounds like a rather vague/open-ended question. | 01:24 |
| psycho_oreos | 1) No gateway defined? 2) Firewall issues? 3) DNS not working/resolving? | 01:24 |
| phobos` | no idea | 01:25 |
| psycho_oreos | I'd say learn some more stuff about networking, ideally stuff to do with using the right tools to diagnose under linux. | 01:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is ping in messybox? | 02:10 |
| nox- | symlink to busybox here yeah | 02:13 |
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| ecc3g | anyone make busybox suid root, so ping would work? :o | 02:34 |
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| nox- | i just run ping as root | 02:34 |
| ecc3g | on one of my embedded boxes, I chmod +s busybox :o | 02:35 |
| nox- | heh | 02:35 |
| ecc3g | the busybox guys did spend some effort making sure it drops root right away for most things so it's not as bad as one would think | 02:36 |
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| ecc3g | (besides, how else would su->busybox work? :o | 02:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: that's a pretty bad idea | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | suid messybox | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and su in messybox is not working | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw how would messybox know that it shouldn't drop permissions for ping? | 04:04 |
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| ecc3g | the messybox devs have looked into this, it drops root privs for everything but su, ping, etc. or at least it tries to... Not to say there may be bugs and be exploitable but they did add in support for it | 06:45 |
| ecc3g | I have an embedded box with suid busybox, I don't get a rootshell when I run busybox ash, but can su and ping with it. | 06:46 |
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| kerio | ecc3g: assuming one trusts busybox | 08:20 |
| kerio | and it's kinda hard to do | 08:20 |
| kerio | because busybox is HUUUUUUUGE | 08:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | The case is gets more worse when one uses busybox-power for instance and wants suid on that as well. | 08:46 |
| psycho_oreos | s/is// | 08:46 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: The case gets more worse when one uses busybox-power for instance and wants suid on that as well. | 08:46 |
| psycho_oreos | Hmm... }:/ *shrugs* | 08:47 |
| psycho_oreos | !botsnack | 08:47 |
| psycho_oreos | botsnack | 08:47 |
| psycho_oreos | Gah. | 08:48 |
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| kerio | ~botsnack | 09:48 |
| infobot | kerio: aw, gee | 09:48 |
| kerio | ~<3 | 09:49 |
| infobot | i heard <3 is love | 09:49 |
| kerio | it is! | 09:49 |
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| brolin_empey | Can I recover from my “$ time sudo chvt 1” experiment by using only the video console? I know I could log in remotely via ssh but that would be cheating. :-P | 11:03 |
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| brolin_empey | To which virtual terminal is the X server attached on Maemo 5? | 11:06 |
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| brolin_empey | Incidentally: Is rasterburn literally a terminal illness? ;-) | 11:10 |
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| brolin_empey | Haha: brolin-N900 is disconnected from my LAN and, of course, I cannot connect it to my LAN without using the video console, which I cannot use until I run chvt via ssh, which I cannot do until I can access brolin-N900 via my LAN. :-D | 11:19 |
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| * brolin_empey believes the moral of this story is to ensure that Maemo is remotely accessible /before/ experimenting with changing the foreground virtual terminal on Maemo. | 11:25 | |
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| brolin_empey | freemangordon: Pali: Any news regarding my 2 kernel-power patches? | 11:32 |
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| Pali | brolin_empey: my notebook with maemo env is in service... | 11:40 |
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| Pali | need to wait until they repair it | 11:40 |
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| brolin_empey | Pali: OK. | 11:56 |
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| MrPingu | Hi | 12:16 |
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| jonwil | ~seen DocScrutinizer05 | 12:41 |
| infobot | docscrutinizer05 is currently on #openmoko (11h 45m 53s) #openmoko-cdevel (11h 45m 53s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 8h 37m 5s, last said: 'btw how would messybox know that it shouldn't drop permissions for ping?'. | 12:41 |
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| jonwil | DocScrutinizer05: ping | 14:36 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ~botsnack | 18:05 |
| infobot | :), ZogG_laptop | 18:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | :) | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: pong | 18:08 |
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| ashley | is there a FOSS Game Boy Color emulator for Fremantle? | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, i'd be pretty surprised if not | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc there are gameboy "emulators" in verilog, for FPGA ;-) | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you would expect some silly software emulator been built by a student for his graduate in CS | 19:08 |
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| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, how much would a single NeoXXX cost if it was reworked to fit another case assuming that the Neo900 reaches the production threshold? (including payment for project members time to do the modified design etc etc) | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: please rephrase | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seem too dull to parse that, atm | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you mean modify a GTA04 board build to custom, to fit in frankencase? | 19:44 |
| qwazix | let's say I had the money to order a special-made NeoXXX board that fits into E7 case or Droid 4 case, how much would that cost, assuming Neo900 reaches production | 19:45 |
| qwazix | yes exactly | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, arounf 2500..6000 | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | feasibility analysis pending | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GTA04 already reached production, the situations wasn't any different for GTA04-NeoN board once we got it working | 19:47 |
| qwazix | don't put any effort in that silly idea, I don't have that kind of money, but I'm just pondering whether building a Neo950, would help the project assuming N950's sell for outrageous prices | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB that's a very rough and uneducated guess of me personally | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/CustomVariants/ ask Nikolaus | 19:48 |
| dos1 | ashley: I remember playing some GBC games on my N900 | 19:48 |
| qwazix | The line of thought was this, if synergies of working on Neo900 help drive the initial cost of creating another variant in a fancier case would be near 2k eur (a usual price for N950's on ebay) maybe selling just 2 of those could cover the initial investment, and then any more sold would help on the Neo900 bottom line by just increasing the total order number | 19:49 |
| * qwazix hopes he made some kind of sense | 19:50 | |
| joga | ashley, perhaps "vgb" | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: makes some kind of sense, but is missing on a specific detail: those costs are not income/profit | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW we will not own 2*2k of gambling money after selling 2 pcs franken-GTA04 | 19:51 |
| dos1 | ashley: but it looks like VGB/VGBA aren't free | 19:52 |
| dos1 | maybe visualboyadvance? | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, we are considering to sell Neo900-protos unconditionally, no matter which threshold of preorders reached or not reached. For ~5k you can order one any time | 19:53 |
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| qwazix | I know, I'm just thinking that maybe there are X people interested in Neo900, Y people that would pay outrageous money for Neo950, and Z people that would pay the regular price for Neo950. Now if there is a scheme (kickstarter perks?) to gauge if Y>2 then the total component orders would be X+Z driving the consumer cost for both Neo900 and Neo950 down. | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course we can't guarantee any special properties like standby time etc, which would need several such protoboards to get built and debugged and fixed/improved | 19:55 |
| qwazix | does standby time depend so much on board layout? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: that fails on N950 case availability, as well as N950 using another SOC | 19:56 |
| qwazix | E7 is pretty similar to N950 | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N950 hw design is quite different to N900/GTA04 design | 19:57 |
| qwazix | :nod: still it may attract the odd buyer | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but it doesn't help us | 19:58 |
| qwazix | if it doesn't then the point is moot, I was thinking that it might do because of the same components, even if board layout is different | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all the contrary it would require us to source yet another SoC and other components, which all are different to those used in GTA04-NeoN | 19:59 |
| qwazix | why another SoC? | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, scratch the SoC | 20:00 |
| jonwil | in order to be able to run N950 software | 20:00 |
| jonwil | oh wait no | 20:00 |
| jonwil | my mistake, thinking of something else | 20:00 |
| qwazix | jonwil, that's up to a similar HPTF to do | 20:00 |
| jonwil | in any case n950 case is unavailable on market so thats the real issue for neo950 | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it starts with the custom storage PoP chip with its 1GB of RAM that's not even "existing" according to aunt google | 20:01 |
| qwazix | or even there would probably be buyers (even more) longing for a N950/E7 form factor with fremantle | 20:01 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, rarest N950's which sell most expensive are the 512mb ones, so that doesn't seem to bother buyere | 20:02 |
| qwazix | buyers | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the target market for that is tiny | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and probably limited to "original" N950, built by Nokia | 20:03 |
| qwazix | It is. That's why I said, if the costs are around $2k-$4k and there are enough buyers pre-ordering then it might be a good idea. | 20:03 |
| qwazix | if no-one goes for it then nothing lost | 20:03 |
| qwazix | (My hunch is that there would be at least 4 people on the planet willing to shell >1k for a fremantle-running capacitive GTA04 in the E7 case) | 20:04 |
| jonwil | ~seen pali | 20:08 |
| infobot | pali is currently on #maemo (1d 1h 44m 41s) #maemo-ssu (1d 1h 44m 41s). Has said a total of 37 messages. Is idling for 8h 27m 42s, last said: 'need to wait until they repair it'. | 20:08 |
| jonwil | pali: ping | 20:08 |
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| Pali | ah, jonwil is offline | 21:04 |
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