IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-09-27

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Sc0rpiusI thought pastebin was text only00:01
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DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: ^^^00:11
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Sc0rpiusoh DocScrutinizer05 that's cool00:42
Sc0rpiusbut I need it in the N900 :()00:43
Sc0rpiusso I can take a picture with the camera and easily upload it somewhere00:43
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DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: I'm using a tiny app for that which executes a cmdline for the picture you want to share. My cmdline does an sftp upload to
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DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: you could use arbitrary other cmdline, depending on where you want to transfer the picture file to01:01
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DocScrutinizer05I used to use ovishare, but Nokia obviously thought it's been too expensive to host that server01:02
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gianjihello guys!01:02
gianjimy question is:  is extras assistanr still working? i request invitation to upload but nothing
Sc0rpiusit should work01:04
Sc0rpiusbut I guess an admin has to read the invitation and accept it somehow01:05
DocScrutinizer05umm, those requests are somewhat poorly worded. We need a proper description of what you plan to upload, and frequently you're supposed to already have a garage project where you host the package01:05
gianjiwhat do you suggest me to write in the request?  just the name of package you want to upload in extras-dev is needed?01:06
Sc0rpiusfor instance what is your application, what it does, why did you do it, why do you still have an N900, etc01:06
DocScrutinizer05I want to upload quandoparte_armel.deb" doesn't help to decide what this is. Is is FOSS? where is it from? are there patents in it? all that stuff01:07
Sc0rpiusyeah last time a random guy request an invitation and then uploaded a system package01:08
gianjieheh :p  so somebody is reading!?! ok i'll send a more detailed request!01:08
Sc0rpiusthat was hell for like 3 days01:08
DocScrutinizer05"I want to upload mandb" might help since mandb is pretty clearly defined in "man mandb"01:08
DocScrutinizer05we at very least need a pointer to the project homepage01:09
DocScrutinizer05regularly that homepage is a garage project01:10
Sc0rpiusI use the garage project bug tracking for my apps01:10
DocScrutinizer05the idea is that only for garage projects we grant upload rights to extras01:11
DocScrutinizer05there might be exceptions, e.g. for tor which is hosted on I guess01:11
DocScrutinizer05or for asterisk01:11
DocScrutinizer05or for pretty well known standard unix tools01:12
DocScrutinizer05but those are exceptions01:12
gianjii have the garage page01:12
DocScrutinizer05the standard procedure is: you develop an app on your garage project site, when you're done you ask for permission to upload from garage to extras01:13
Sc0rpiusyeah, what's the application anyway? now I'm curious01:13
DocScrutinizer05quandoparte_armel.deb ?01:13
Sc0rpiusI don't think so01:13
Sc0rpiusthat's a very old italian app01:14
DocScrutinizer05>>My garage username is: gianko<<01:14
gianji  i'm not the original dev i'm  just starting to contribute to this app01:14
gianjii have a fix for a broken url. since the original dev is only supporting harmattan version01:15
gianjii'll take care of maemo version01:15
Sc0rpiusI see01:15
Sc0rpiuswell you're listed as a developer of the project01:15
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^ could you have a look into this?01:15
gianjiyes he added me01:15
DocScrutinizer05which project?01:15
Sc0rpius <-- that one01:16
Sc0rpiusand this guy is Giancarlo Pasquali01:16
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gianjiare you from NSA ? lol01:17
DocScrutinizer05no, the NSA guys are just busy doing our weekly backups01:17
Sc0rpiuswell a nice invitation request would be like "I'm x guy and my login is x and I'm a developer of the project quandoparte which is hosted as (garage link) and I want to upload packages for this project that has been active since 2010 but the main project admin now is MIA so I'm adopting the whole project"01:18
gianjithey have a lot of work since new iphone come out01:18
DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: there's a form to fill in - it's terribly poorly written with no explanation at all01:18
Sc0rpiusyeah I know, I had to fill it once, months/years ago01:19
DocScrutinizer05the mails we see are frequently exactly this:01:19
DocScrutinizer05I would like to request upload privileges for the maemo extras and extras-devel repositories.01:19
DocScrutinizer05My garage username is: gianko01:19
DocScrutinizer05The packages I want to upload are: quandoparte_armel.deb01:19
DocScrutinizer05-- Giancarlo Pasquali01:19
Sc0rpiusreject it :P01:19
DocScrutinizer05I tend to ignore them, but merlin1991 is supposed to handle that stuff01:20
DocScrutinizer05he needs better info what to check before he may grant upload rights to extras01:20
Sc0rpiusand should read the wiki a little more since you can't upload deb files01:20
gianjiif i send it now? merlin is in?01:20
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: are you in?01:21
Sc0rpiusyou upload the source files and then the autobuilder will build and package it for you if you did everything right.01:21
gianjiok. should be no problem as it worked on my scratchbox sdk01:23
gianji@Sc0rpius you r yappari guy?01:24
DocScrutinizer05somebody urgently needs to improve and augment the webpages that have those upload request forms01:24
Sc0rpiusyes I am01:24
gianjinice to meet you! my congratulation for your work ;)01:25
Sc0rpiusthanks :)01:25
Sc0rpiusI assume you use it?01:25
gianjiof course!  i saw latest yappari failed to build?01:25
Sc0rpiusI'm uploading 1.1.39 as we speak, it supports push-to-talk, so if you have extras/devel active you might upgrade in like the next hour or so01:25
Sc0rpiussometimes autobuilder and I have our differences ;) but it built ok last time01:26
gianjivoice note are very trendy nowadays01:27
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gianjii'm sending another request...i'll attache a link to the irclogs XD01:30
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DocScrutinizer05rather attach an URL pointing to the homepage of that project01:33
DocScrutinizer05particularly when that's a garage project it's almost accepted already for extras01:35
DocScrutinizer05granting extras upload permissions for garage projects is a nobrainer01:35
DocScrutinizer05Extras account set to Accepted01:38
DocScrutinizer05Account Information101:38
DocScrutinizer05Benutzer-ID: 9707701:38
DocScrutinizer05Benutzer-Name: gianko01:39
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gianjiyou mean that if the dev added me in the project i automatically have upload permission?01:40
DocScrutinizer05but I will not think longetr than 10s when granting upload permissions to a garage project maintainer01:41
DocScrutinizer05since the garage project already asked all the relevant questions like "is it FOSS, has it GPL?" etc, when it got created01:42
DocScrutinizer05otherwise I had to visit and try to find out about all that01:42
DocScrutinizer05unless you don't point me to in which case I simply ignore the request01:43
gianjigot it01:44
DocScrutinizer05thanks for contributing! :-D01:44
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DocScrutinizer05in case you got issues with atobuilder, drop by here and holler, the cruft on infra sometimes needs a kick01:45
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DocScrutinizer05oh, and prepare for waiting maybe 12h until any change in your maemo account (like new ssh key for uplaod) actually propagated across all the m.o infra01:47
DocScrutinizer05the machines get synced only evry other hour or so01:47
DocScrutinizer05and pretty please don't double-upload same version number of your package01:48
DocScrutinizer05this confuses hell out of the repo management and autobuilder01:48
DocScrutinizer05also don't use epoc in version string!01:49
gianjiok i'll be carefull. thanks for advices01:50
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merlin1991damng too late02:59
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DocScrutinizer05on a sidenote: in ~4 weeks the current council term ends03:12
DocScrutinizer05would be nice to have working karma until then03:13
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mashinaugh, if only we had cheap carrier03:41
mashinai'm paying $10.75 for 100MB a month prepaid03:42
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jonwil~seen DocScrutinizer0504:17
infobotdocscrutinizer05 is currently on #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel. Has said a total of 1252 messages. Is idling for 1h 4m 15s, last said: 'would be nice to have working karma until then'.04:17
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Sc0rpiusI wonder if there's a wiki or something with the packages installed in a stock PR1.3 Nokia N90004:37
Sc0rpiusthe whole big list of packages that come preinstalled in the phone04:37
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DocScrutinizer05dpkg -l ?05:20
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DocScrutinizer05 though that's not exactly a stock system anymore05:25
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sixwheeledbeasto.O, cherry, notmynokia, fm-boost?09:18
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DrCodehi all10:36
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DrCodeI don;t know what to do10:36
DrCodeto install android in n900 ?10:36
DrCodecan memo run android apps?10:37
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psycho_oreos1) Old (possibly un-maintained) android versions and you need to make u-boot kernel (and hope it'll work) 2) No.10:39
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DrCodeI don't know if to use only memo or android10:53
DrCodeI have some missing apps in memo10:53
DrCodewhat do U think ?10:53
psycho_oreosAt your knowledge level, I'd say you wouldn't be ready for android anytime soon.10:54
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psycho_oreosRather android on N900.10:54
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DrCodeI see11:01
DrCodeI read about nitroid , so I thote to use it?11:01
psycho_oreosI don't know what "thote" means. nitdroid is basically android ported to N900, it is not a simple drop-in solution and it does not work with every hardware functionality N900 has to offer.11:02
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DrCodeI see11:28
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Menthahi there, need some help here :)12:25
MenthaI've been using the n900 with qt-mobile-hotspot  as a modem for quite some while and it worked like a charm on all my machines, until it stopped today :/12:27
Menthabut just on my ubuntu 12.10 pc, where there some kernel-changes that rendered the hotspot unusable or might it something else?12:28
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troulouliou_devare there n900 owner here that still consider N900 has the only yet suitable phone atm ?19:44
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NIN101troulouliou_dev: yes, a few of them, including me. though, with NeoN900 there is hope for a true successor.19:58
troulouliou_devNIN101, ha cool i missed the news, checking now..19:58
troulouliou_devNIN101, any link ?19:59
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troulouliou_devNIN101, awesome20:01
troulouliou_devbigger screenwould benice too..20:01
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troulouliou_devNIN101, the phone application / firmware are open source ??20:06
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troulouliou_devNIN101, even with shr/qtmoko ...20:10
NIN101no way you get a full FOSS open source cell phone stack on N900, afaik.20:12
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troulouliou_devNIN101, do you think such project can be avilable in 2014 ?20:14
troulouliou_devi mean neo90020:15
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PaliI'am also using n900 as daily phone...20:16
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troulouliou_devPali, do you browse internet sites with it ?20:17
dos1NIN101: SHR works on N90020:17
Palinow yes :-) my daily notebook is repairing20:18
dos1it's probably not first class support, but basic stuff works and it's 100% FOSS20:18
Paliand I'am using usb ethernet card in host mode20:18
troulouliou_devdos1, phone calls works ?20:18
troulouliou_devPali, really my dlink usbeth card never worked20:19
Paliwith wpa_supplicant which is needed for 802.1x auth20:19
troulouliou_devPali, what browser do you use ?20:19
dos1I recall there were some problems with poor audio quality20:19
dos1but yes, it worked20:19
Paliclassic browser20:19
Palibut with patched some parts...20:20
troulouliou_devPali, i still cant find a suitable browser for me .. and i find screen size a little bit too slow20:20
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troulouliou_devdos1, will check thanks20:21
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dos1troulouliou_dev: but I don't know anything about current state, n900 images might be broken atm20:21
troulouliou_devdos1, i jsut never heard of it before 10 min ago :) i think i ll buy a gta04 phone right now with SHR20:22
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Palihm, is nokia eapd daemon supporting EAPOL on wired interfaces?20:23
Palior only wireless wl1251?20:23
Paliit is bad that I need two daemons (eapd and wpa_supplicant) which doing same thing20:24
Palibut nokias icd2 can use only eapd and I did not find way how to use eapd with wired ethernet...20:25
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troulouliou_devPali, so the host kernel/patch can work with any device, not only usb flash/disk ?20:29
Paliwith any device which has kernel driver in 2.6.2820:31
Palibut for some you need usb hub with external power supply20:33
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DrCodehi al20:46
DrCodeany one know about this project: Myriad Alien Dalvik20:46
DrCodeI am looking for android VM under memo20:47
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Palidoes anybody know any other EAPOL implementation for linux (except wpa_supplicant)?21:03
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eichii think my n900 died yesterday :( R.I.P21:19
joganoo :(21:20
eichiit was just ideling, then it shutdown and now there a millions if inode errors in ext3 dont thing, this is a fs problem, maybe, but i thing the flash driver died21:22
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Paliext3 is on eMMC21:30
Paliand maybe only fs corruption21:30
Palido full reflash (both combined and emmc)21:30
eichiI will reflash it tommorow then i will se21:30
Sysaxeddoes anybody know any good electronic circuit simulation software? Or maybe simple schematic editor? Preferably multiplatform or at least capable of exporting to popular formats21:30
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ShadowJKand what's that online javascript one...
SysaxedI can't find a linux version of ltspice21:54
Sysaxedand qucs version looks scary 0.0.1721:54
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ShadowJKltspice is generally ok in wine22:04
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DocScrutinizer05I thought spice is available for linux as well? Also: eagle23:11
DocScrutinizer05for simple schematics editor23:11
DocScrutinizer05and what been that other editor? diag?23:12
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psycho_oreosSeems like the inquirer left.23:31
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useretailhey, does anyone have patches for 3.x.x kernel?23:59

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