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| sixwheeledbeast | wotan147: did someone point you to the logs for yesterday after you logged off? | 00:05 |
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| wotan147 | sixwheeledbeast : nope how do I get the log? | 00:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wotan147: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-09-24.log.html#t2013-09-24T01:16:51 | 00:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | did you sort that? | 00:11 |
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| wotan147 | sixwheeledbeast yep ;) there was a problem as well with compat of debhelper | 00:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wotan147: it should be 5, so have you built the pkg then? | 00:24 |
| wotan147 | on my scratchbox it is working with seven should I put 5 if I want to upload to the repo | 00:25 |
| wotan147 | yep I succeeded and now I am trying to build a script to automize it for any qt apps I am making but in the .pro when you put maemo{ entries and than unix{ entry, which one will have priorty? will it default to unix even if maemo is here? | 00:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if it works, I don't think I could upload packages built with 7 | 00:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I haven't ever touched the pro file like the wiki says for my Qt packages. | 00:31 |
| Sc0rpius | Jesus Christ QMediaPlayer (Qt) is affected by Silent profile what the efff | 00:35 |
| Sc0rpius | I had to contact libpulse directly! | 00:35 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | err are we talking OMP here? | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are some wiki pages about that | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that you could say fremantle audio policies are particularly intuitive or versatile or just sane | 00:50 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | WFM | 01:06 |
| HtheB | FML... | 01:07 |
| HtheB | is there anyone from the UK? :P | 01:07 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | yep | 01:08 |
| HtheB | sixwheeledbeast: sup | 01:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hello | 01:09 |
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| nox- | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/10330414/iOS-7-users-destroy-iPhones-after-fake-waterproof-advert.html | 01:23 |
| HtheB | fail | 01:25 |
| nox- | on 4chan of all things | 01:25 |
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| HtheB | yeah | 01:27 |
| HtheB | pedobear and stuf | 01:27 |
| HtheB | f | 01:27 |
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| jonwil | hi | 01:31 |
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| jonwil | ~seen Doczzzzzscrutinizer05 | 01:40 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'doczzzzzscrutinizer05', jonwil | 01:40 |
| jonwil | ~seen Docsrutinizer05 | 01:40 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'docsrutinizer05', jonwil | 01:40 |
| jonwil | ~seen Docscrutinizer05 | 01:40 |
| infobot | docscrutinizer05 is currently on #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel. Has said a total of 882 messages. Is idling for 50m 26s, last said: 'not that you could say fremantle audio policies are particularly intuitive or versatile or just sane'. | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wut? | 01:41 |
| HtheB | lol | 01:43 |
| HtheB | ~seen DocScrutinizer05 | 01:43 |
| infobot | docscrutinizer05 is currently on #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel. Has said a total of 883 messages. Is idling for 2m 27s, last said: 'wut?'. | 01:43 |
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| HtheB | lol | 02:04 |
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| HtheB | DocScrutinizer05: is there ANY way to get lcd screens for the n950's? | 02:09 |
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| liambeeblebrox | Hey, anyway I could contribute to porting Fremantle (Is anyone online?) for the Neo900? | 02:15 |
| dos1 | liambeeblebrox: lots of different ways :) | 02:16 |
| liambeeblebrox | Well, where should I start looking? | 02:16 |
| dos1 | in FPTF thread and linked threads from there | 02:17 |
| liambeeblebrox | Yeah, I'm already there | 02:17 |
| dos1 | right now we mostly need to document everything we can | 02:17 |
| dos1 | especially regarding audio and gsm stack | 02:17 |
| liambeeblebrox | Okkaaay. | 02:18 |
| liambeeblebrox | Specific to maemo5? | 02:18 |
| dos1 | yup | 02:18 |
| liambeeblebrox | Hmm. | 02:18 |
| dos1 | there are some bits that will have to be replaced in neo900 | 02:18 |
| dos1 | and some stuff will need some compatibility wrappers around them | 02:18 |
| liambeeblebrox | Both SoC's (N900 and Neo900) are ARM right? | 02:19 |
| dos1 | yup | 02:19 |
| liambeeblebrox | I can do compatibility sometimes | 02:19 |
| liambeeblebrox | Anyway so I should just look in the thread/'s for work? | 02:20 |
| dos1 | right now it's all at "document all the stuff" stage | 02:20 |
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| dos1 | if you have some similar hardware like openpandora you can hack on, then you can start pondering with some proof of concepts | 02:21 |
| liambeeblebrox | Yup | 02:21 |
| liambeeblebrox | I don't | 02:21 |
| dos1 | actual implementation of stuff will come later | 02:21 |
| liambeeblebrox | Yeah cool | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HtheB: nope | 02:21 |
| liambeeblebrox | I can't help (That much) with that anyway | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except jonni iirc | 02:22 |
| liambeeblebrox | Anyway thanks! | 02:22 |
| dos1 | yw | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi dos1 | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi liambeeblebrox | 02:22 |
| dos1 | hello! | 02:22 |
| liambeeblebrox | Hey. | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | liambeeblebrox: /join #maemo-ssu | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watch jonwil and pali and freemangordon head away with already porting stuff, resp creating FOSS replacements | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recently pali created a frankentree from mce diablo and mce harm sources (both public) and tried to synthesize a mce source that would work on fremantle | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think the guys already got quite a good part of it working | 02:26 |
| dos1 | oh, yeah, that stuff is pretty important for it too, even if not neo900 specific | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even all of it, dunno | 02:26 |
| liambeeblebrox | Will do. | 02:26 |
| dos1 | and they're doing amazing job at it | 02:26 |
| liambeeblebrox | Sorry i'm fixing myself breakfast at the same time | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are other blobs that need to get tackled. urgently. like modem stuff | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np, everybody should have breakfast (that's what the blame me every day for) | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they* | 02:27 |
| liambeeblebrox | Modem stuff? | 02:28 |
| dos1 | csd | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | libisi, cmt_speech | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSD | 02:28 |
| liambeeblebrox | Right | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | has some analysis from jonwil about it | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and some links to wiki pages | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chanlogs of #maemo-ssu also have some chats about it (you can search on the chanlog site) | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise just ask | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first of all: introduce yourself and state what's your domain of expertise, on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 02:31 |
| liambeeblebrox | Which is preferred to just ask, here? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the rest will come naturally | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask in #maemo-ssu | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask jonwil, freemangordon, pali, dos1, or me. Or just ask :-) | 02:32 |
| liambeeblebrox | Sounds good. | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is a community effort, and like all community efforts nobody really takes care about doing proper documetation | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not to mention task dispatching | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus: just ask :-D | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (I'm trying to do a little bit of task dispatching or rather coordination, but that's more on a service&support level than on an authoritative one) | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | right now jonwil is planning or already about to analyze libcmtspeech and tries to find out what functions like echo cancellation and noise suppression and whatnot we can isolate and identify in it | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have a pretty working mce binary we can build | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're analyzing CSD "stack" and libisi and try to figure what and how we can replace and where to plumb the new stuff to the old OS | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody already picked up on dbus API analysis | 02:39 |
| liambeeblebrox | Is the hardware already done? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually I will have to look into bme again, and see what needs to get done to marry it with the GTA04 charging and battery management and power handling | 02:41 |
| dos1 | no; ETA is about 6 months | 02:41 |
| liambeeblebrox | Okay | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, the hardware is existing in form of predecessor GTA04 | 02:41 |
| liambeeblebrox | Yeah I had a look at it | 02:41 |
| liambeeblebrox | So the purpose is to 'essentially' port Maemo to the newer hardware | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | compare it to N900 schematics and you got an idea where we will hit the ground finally, with GTA04-NeoN board | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, port fremantle to the silghtly different (than N900) Neo900 hardware | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in a way so userland is 99.99% identical | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (obviously that's a mission impossible, but nevertheless our goal) | 02:43 |
| liambeeblebrox | So that existing code will run on it, yes? | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all userland apps should run on Neo900 without any patching or even recompile | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | copy and execve | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a few bits need rework, and that'S what the guys are doing right nnow | 02:45 |
| liambeeblebrox | What about "Harmattan" | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like mce, bme, libcmtspeech/CSD/libisi, | 02:45 |
| liambeeblebrox | Thats maemo6 yeah? | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HARM is not related | 02:45 |
| liambeeblebrox | And yeah I have the list up | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah "maemo" 6 | 02:46 |
| liambeeblebrox | It's different? | 02:46 |
| dos1 | going to sleep, good night | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N810 Diablo been more similar to Fremantle than Fremantle is to HARM, though the latter 2 both are phones | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | night dos1 | 02:47 |
| liambeeblebrox | Night. | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | YAY | 02:47 |
| liambeeblebrox | Split? | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1 what did you do??? ;-P | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 02:47 |
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| liambeeblebrox | good effort | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 02:48 |
| liambeeblebrox | So, maemo6 is radically different from maemo5 | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | netsplit I meant | 02:48 |
| liambeeblebrox | Yeah I know | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, HARM is quite different in several aspects to fremantle | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're not really interested in it, so far | 02:49 |
| liambeeblebrox | Okay. | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's infested by aegis | 02:49 |
| liambeeblebrox | But the N9 ran it? | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis | 02:49 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, N9 runs HARM | 02:49 |
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| liambeeblebrox | Okay. | 02:51 |
| liambeeblebrox | So the goal is to port maemo5, freemantle to the newer hardware | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 02:51 |
| liambeeblebrox | Which is mostly lower level hardware stuff | 02:51 |
| liambeeblebrox | Yeah? | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | port the OS, so the apps will just feel at home | 02:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, yeah, mostly lower level, since we are porting the OS API | 02:52 |
| liambeeblebrox | And thats it? | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incl some middleware bits where the hw differs too much so we can't hide the differences in kernel hacks | 02:53 |
| liambeeblebrox | Yeah yeah | 02:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we haven't tackled the low-level kernel stuff yet, since the hw isn't even feature-frozen yet | 02:54 |
| liambeeblebrox | Yeah, who's responsible for hardware? | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | me | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and Nikolaus of GoldeliCo, who's never around here | 02:55 |
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| liambeeblebrox | Really? | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rally what? | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | really even | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Really Nikolaus never around here? dunno for sure, who might, it's the internet you know ;-) | 02:56 |
| liambeeblebrox | No, really you're doing the hardware | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, so far I'm trying to coordinate and evaluate stuff | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nikolaus will do the layout probably | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | today I sent a N900 to him for disassembling and checking "what's the deal" | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | he built GTA04 (with marginal help from me), I once built GTA02 ;-) | 02:58 |
| liambeeblebrox | Okay. | 02:58 |
| liambeeblebrox | What does the GTA stand for? | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually nobody knows - FIC heritage | 02:59 |
| liambeeblebrox | Right | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "General Telephony Appliance" or whatever | 02:59 |
| liambeeblebrox | Haha, yeah | 02:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.google.de/search?q=openmoko+%22what+does+GTA+stand+for | 03:02 |
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| liambeeblebrox | Well, I'll be in touch I suppose | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 08:02.03rwhitbyGeneric Telephone Appliance | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 08:02.11josch|nsnrwhitby: for real? | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 08:02.19rwhitby(the chinese design that it started from) | 03:06 |
| liambeeblebrox | Fair enough | 03:07 |
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| liambeeblebrox | I'll have to get my hands on an n900 | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko/20080515.html.gz | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, a N900 for sure may help with development :-) | 03:09 |
| liambeeblebrox | What about target hardware? | 03:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll try to find some GTA04, but basically we'll use N900 to emulate the Neo900, after all they are supposed to be very similar ;-) | 03:10 |
| liambeeblebrox | Haha | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the monster is modem | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested to us a USB attached UMTS stick for emulation | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use* | 03:12 |
| liambeeblebrox | Yeah well | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which would have a nice "dual use" | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for N900 users | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for RE of libcmtspeech we can interface to the original N900 modem for now, and see if it works with that. When it works, changing the hw interface is simple | 03:14 |
| liambeeblebrox | I need an n900 first... | 03:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | good used ones shall go for ~100 bucks | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | new in original package is still ~250 | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you can find any | 03:15 |
| liambeeblebrox | Hahaha | 03:16 |
| liambeeblebrox | Seems to be some coming from china | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, those HK are mostly crap, they claim 2new2 but actually are refurbished | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/g | 03:16 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: yeah, those HK are mostly crap, they claim "new" but actually are refurbished | 03:16 |
| liambeeblebrox | I'll keep an eye out, anyway | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-N900-PWNPHONE-smartphone-penetration-testing-platform-/281173959387?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item41774622db :-P | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OHLOL, item codition: used | 03:19 |
| liambeeblebrox | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-N-Series-N900-32GB-Black-Unlocked-Smartphone-/310733109557?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item485922f935 | 03:21 |
| liambeeblebrox | Not bad reviews | 03:22 |
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| liambeeblebrox | Anyway I must be off | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | liambeeblebrox: where's your postbox? | 03:24 |
| liambeeblebrox | Actual, or online | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actual | 03:24 |
| liambeeblebrox | NSW Australia | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oo Aussie | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-N900-32GB-3G-GPS-5MP-WIFI-Qwerty-Unlocked-Black-Smartphone-/111175711390?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item19e296ba9e | 03:25 |
| liambeeblebrox | You can shoot me now if you want | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, ships to: US | 03:25 |
| liambeeblebrox | Yeah | 03:25 |
| liambeeblebrox | Looks like I could contact the seller though | 03:26 |
| liambeeblebrox | Eh | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yours most likely is one of those crappy refurbished ones | 03:26 |
| liambeeblebrox | I'm not in the market to buy yet | 03:26 |
| liambeeblebrox | Maybe in a couple months | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if you test that HK sellers, pelase report on your experience | 03:27 |
| liambeeblebrox | Will do. | 03:27 |
| liambeeblebrox | Could always use | 03:27 |
| liambeeblebrox | Hm | 03:27 |
| liambeeblebrox | http://www.aliexpress.com/item/100-original-mobile-phone-Nokia-N900/547515382.html | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll bite your own back for every month you missed to live with the best phone ever | 03:28 |
| liambeeblebrox | I'm currently under a pretty big workload, with limited funds | 03:28 |
| liambeeblebrox | Used ali-baba and related shops? | 03:29 |
| liambeeblebrox | I had stuff ship from there this week | 03:30 |
| liambeeblebrox | So we'll see how it goes | 03:30 |
| liambeeblebrox | Good thing about living down under, dedicated shipping lane straight to china | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | might be worth it, after all refurbished may be ok, for that price | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and they offer warranty | 03:38 |
| liambeeblebrox | Yeah. | 03:38 |
| liambeeblebrox | Maybe | 03:38 |
| liambeeblebrox | What part of the world do you hail from? | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Germoney | 03:39 |
| mashina | how about the new bundesfuhrerin? | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck her | 03:40 |
| liambeeblebrox | Makes sense, I suppose america is asleep | 03:40 |
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| liambeeblebrox | Anyhoot | 03:40 |
| liambeeblebrox | Work to do | 03:40 |
| mashina | im canadian eh | 03:41 |
| liambeeblebrox | eh eh eh eh eh | 03:41 |
| mashina | i live in a part with a funny timezone | 03:41 |
| liambeeblebrox | Whats local time? | 03:41 |
| mashina | canada/atlantic is EST+1 | 03:41 |
| liambeeblebrox | It's 1040 | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 02:41 | 03:41 |
| mashina | closer to europe but close to us too | 03:41 |
| mashina | its 2141 yurop format | 03:42 |
| liambeeblebrox | I hope thats not AM doc | 03:42 |
| mashina | 9:42p ours | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure AM | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CET | 03:42 |
| liambeeblebrox | Used to using 24 hour time, mashina | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm living in JRTZV | 03:42 |
| mashina | ast is the short name | 03:42 |
| liambeeblebrox | The internet needs a central time server :/ | 03:43 |
| mashina | time.nistlgov? | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ugt | 03:43 |
| infobot | i guess ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 03:43 |
| liambeeblebrox | Ah, but one that is used by all servers | 03:44 |
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| liambeeblebrox | I'll | 03:45 |
| liambeeblebrox | Hopefully be around | 03:45 |
| liambeeblebrox | And I'll put something in the dev thread | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 03:45 |
| liambeeblebrox | have a nice | 03:46 |
| liambeeblebrox | day? | 03:46 |
| mashina | i saw an n900 on the local classifieds once | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chillout time | 03:49 |
| mashina | wonder who the hell in this backwater would have one | 03:49 |
| mashina | we're poor and mostly illiterate | 03:49 |
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| Macer | ugh | 12:02 |
| Macer | wth does app manager do where it takes a month for it to finish when you enable devel? | 12:02 |
| psycho_oreos | Should've used devel-light. | 12:03 |
| Macer | there's a devel-light?? heh | 12:06 |
| iloops | ok so which browser do we have in meamo thats just the latest in terms of html5 standards | 12:06 |
| iloops | have the latest webkit code been used anywhere (i'm assuming webkit is where the html tech goes) | 12:07 |
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| kerio | iloops: fennec 17? | 13:05 |
| kerio | idk | 13:05 |
| iloops | fennec is massively slow | 13:05 |
| iloops | -_- | 13:05 |
| iloops | for me its unuseable | 13:06 |
| iloops | it wud be so awesome if it was fast but it isnt i dont know why | 13:06 |
| psycho_oreos | If you think about it comparatively. fennec 17 seems to be the latest released program available for maemo. You said you want HTML5 support, so there you go. | 13:08 |
| psycho_oreos | If you want fennec to be any faster, then you probably need to go into experimentation with having thumbs enabled fennec. | 13:09 |
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| XATRIX | Can you remind me where can i find wiki about how to turn off the automatic updates checking in maemo | 13:11 |
| psycho_oreos | You can't turn off, you can prolong the need for whenever it checks for newer version. | 13:11 |
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| XATRIX | Hmm | 13:12 |
| XATRIX | Seems like it check everytime i connect to any networks | 13:12 |
| XATRIX | It's a bit complicated | 13:12 |
| psycho_oreos | That said: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check (it took me a mere 1 minute of google search). | 13:13 |
| XATRIX | yea :( sorry | 13:14 |
| iloops | and will the thumb enabling in fennec make it any closer to the performance of microb? | 13:15 |
| iloops | or is it too much to ask | 13:15 |
| psycho_oreos | Hahaha, the last time I checked, not even close, but you don't even know the underlying process. hildon I believe "pre-loads" certain programs so that it would not take a user to start thinking "such and such program is slow." Besides unlike fennec, microb was designed to effectively wrap around hildon (hence less resource usage). | 13:17 |
| psycho_oreos | fennec is also now un-maintained on maemo as well. | 13:18 |
| XATRIX | gconftool changes the config files or only for the runtime ? | 13:20 |
| kerio | the former | 13:20 |
| psycho_oreos | ^ | 13:20 |
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| kerio | and the latter, too | 13:20 |
| iloops | true :) | 13:20 |
| kerio | at least, i think that the program can ask to be notified whenever there's a change | 13:21 |
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| XATRIX | so, gconf changes config files or not ? | 13:29 |
| psycho_oreos | It mainly changes the config file, a config file for which most hildon/osso programs references for various purposes. | 13:30 |
| psycho_oreos | Is it really that hard to read man pages? http://linux.die.net/man/1/gconftool-2 | 13:31 |
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| lizardo | Is garage.maemo.org SSL certificate currently self-signed ? | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: ping | 15:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lizardo: iirc yes | 15:41 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: pong | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi! :-D | 15:49 |
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| dos1 | hello :) | 15:50 |
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| cehteh | ".... Elop zum Verzicht zumindest auf einen Teil des insgesamt knapp 19 Millionen Euro schweren Vergütungspakets zu bewegen. Dieser lehne das aber unter Hinweis auf ein Scheidungsverfahren ab, schrieb die Zeitung am Mittwoch." | 16:08 |
| cehteh | Muahaha | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "sorry guys, divorce pending, I need every cent of those 19 mio" | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "you know, the hookers, and that other bitch" | 17:26 |
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| sledges | in english: http://www.phonearena.com/news/CEO-Stephen-Elop-to-Nokia-Im-getting--a-divorce-so-I-need-all-of-the-25-million_id47745 | 18:04 |
| sledges | no surprise about divorce, it's Elop! | 18:05 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: re scratchbox has warfare done the self-signed cert or do i need to mail it to him? Sorry was offline for nearly a week | 18:26 |
| thedead1440 | also you want the sha sums of all blobs too right? | 18:27 |
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| cybertheque | Need advice / opinions on vpn selection for use over 3g. i have built ipsec (iskmp / ike) vpns for a long time over slow connections using old hardware and have been pleased with the throughput. I would appreciate observations about the overhead and performance in openvpn. my need is to stream video from the n900 over 3g -- performance is paramount. ipsec or openvpn? | 19:23 |
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| kerio | mh, does ipsec work with your operator? | 19:30 |
| kerio | i think that openvpn is cleaner and has less overhead | 19:31 |
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| cybertheque | don't yet know if t-mobile's unlimited voice/txt/web prepaid plan passes ESP/AH or of it requires an upgrade (tablet services) --- for sake of discussion, assume it is not an issue | 20:23 |
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| Pali | do you know if there is rtmp plugin for gstreamer in maemo extras (devel) repository? | 20:39 |
| Pali | is there libgstrtmp.so for maemo? | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I dunno, probably the user wants sha sums for all blobs, yeah. For the cert ask warfare to create a self-signed one for you | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he even will install it | 21:18 |
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| Apic | I upgraded kernel-power-bootimg and multiboot-kernel-power and now I get a Redscreen "can't flash kernel, required files not found" when selecting it during boot (selecting Stock Kernel still works) | 21:21 |
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| Pali | you can read TMO thread that multiboot config file is not in kernel-power anymore and is not supported | 21:24 |
| Pali | use uboot or hack multiboot | 21:24 |
| Apic | Oh, okay. | 21:24 |
| Apic | Will Installing uboot-pr13 automagically wipe multiboot? | 21:26 |
| Pali | install uboot-flasher | 21:27 |
| Apic | Thanks | 21:28 |
| Pali | and not, you need to uninstall multiboot first | 21:28 |
| Pali | freemangordon: in extras-devel are lot of old uboot packages | 21:29 |
| Pali | it is possible to delete them? | 21:29 |
| Apic | Hrm | 21:29 |
| Apic | I guess I still have fremantle 1.2 as Base System and not 1.3 | 21:29 |
| Apic | At least I cannot find uboot-flasher, only uboot-pr13 | 21:30 |
| Pali | update to pr 1.3 first | 21:30 |
| Apic | How? I think the Application Manager did not ask me to upgrade the whole Distro | 21:30 |
| Pali | try u-boot-flasher | 21:30 |
| Pali | do not remember correct name | 21:30 |
| Apic | Ah, that's there | 21:31 |
| Pali | ok | 21:31 |
| Apic | apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove a whole Bunch of Packages from the System... | 21:32 |
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| Apic | I tried changing the fremantle-1.2/ovi/ ./ to fremantle-1.3/ovi/ ./ but now I get GPG "KEYEXPIRED" | 21:36 |
| Apic | ...on apt-get update | 21:36 |
| Apic | Where can I leech a current Key? | 21:36 |
| Pali | do not use dist-upgrade | 21:38 |
| Pali | nokia key expired | 21:38 |
| Pali | and nokia/accenture refused to fix this problem | 21:39 |
| Pali | use only HAM for updating | 21:39 |
| Pali | use 1.2 for OVI | 21:39 |
| Apic | Uhmkay... | 21:39 |
| Pali | you can change system date back to 2010 | 21:39 |
| Pali | and then update via HAM again | 21:40 |
| Pali | also you can check version in settings -- about product | 21:40 |
| Apic | Maemo 5, Version: 20.2010.36-2 | 21:41 |
| Pali | this is pr1.3 | 21:41 |
| Pali | last version is pr1.3.1 | 21:41 |
| Pali | 21.2011.somethink | 21:41 |
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| Pali | use "date hack", enable nokia repos in HAM and update | 21:42 |
| Apic | HAM == Hildon Application Manager? | 21:43 |
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| Pali | yes | 21:43 |
| Apic | And "Date Hack" is not an Application, but the Act of manually setting the Date to e.g. 2010-12-31? | 21:43 |
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| Pali | yes | 21:44 |
| Apic | Ok, thanks | 21:44 |
| Pali | and do not remember that HAM is slooooooow | 21:44 |
| Apic | ;-) | 21:45 |
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| lexik | spam again: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91457 | 21:46 |
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| Apic | Application Manager does not find any Updates | 21:48 |
| dos1 | Join Date: 25th Sep 2013 | 21:48 |
| dos1 | damn | 21:48 |
| Pali | click on reload | 21:48 |
| Pali | try find updates again | 21:48 |
| Pali | and wait (5 min) | 21:49 |
| Apic | Ok | 21:49 |
| Pali | also make sure you have SSU repo enabled | 21:49 |
| Apic | Still no Updates | 21:49 |
| Apic | SSU? | 21:49 |
| Apic | Hm, the Throbber is still spinning | 21:50 |
| Apic | And I cannot enter the Repo Menu ATM | 21:50 |
| Pali | this means that HAM something doing | 21:50 |
| Pali | wait | 21:50 |
| Apic | Whoah | 21:51 |
| Apic | Now it finished | 21:51 |
| Apic | And it shows "Maemo 5", "Security Update" | 21:52 |
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| Apic | And "Documents To Go Installer", which I do not need | 21:52 |
| Pali | so you see it now | 21:52 |
| Apic | *nod* | 21:52 |
| Apic | Ok, now Product Info shows Version "21.2011.38-1" | 21:58 |
| Apic | Now change back the Date to the current one, eh? | 21:58 |
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| Pali | yes, change back | 22:02 |
| Pali | look also at CSSU stable for maemo updates | 22:04 |
| Apic | Ok, thanks. | 22:07 |
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