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| DocScrutinizer05 | moo | 14:16 |
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| kerio | µ | 14:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict µ | 14:41 |
| infobot | could not find definition for µ | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~uselss | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~useless | 14:41 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 14:41 | |
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| oooaaaooo | so anyone knows if the advanced power program adds any benefit to power management? | 17:04 |
| robotanarchy | is there a way to import scratchbox deb signatues for their apt repo? | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oooaaaaaauuu starts to annoy me | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, waiting almost 10 min and nobody answers! unbearable on IRC! :-S | 17:17 |
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| psycho_oreos | Doesn't that remind you of a similar case that applied to someone else? :) | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, there been several | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody in particular comes to mind | 17:18 |
| * psycho_oreos was thinking of the most recent one. | 17:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I seem to recall educating oooaaaooo some two days ago that he shouldn't ask questions when he's not prepared to wait for somebody answering a few hours later maybe | 17:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | *shrugs* I didn't recall that (or maybe I've completely missed it). I guess maybe a /topic change telling people should be expected to wait. :) | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: sorry, such stuff gets stored to my archive with very few cross links | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so unless it shows up by the same nick hitting my radar with same behaviour, odds are it gets lost in archive forever | 17:23 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, I guess hence its probably easily for you to get irritated. :) Then again I agree that people (especially inquirers) are expected to wait, otherwise pay for priority support. | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm dealing with ~2k nicks on IRC, in those channels I moderate only | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I pondered a nick-annotation function extension for IRC clients already | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right click on a post, from context menu select "add this quote to user's rating" | 17:25 |
| psycho_oreos | haha, that would sort of be going a bit too far. :) At any rate I would personally vote for /topic change to tell inquirers to wait. If they couldn't wait, that's fine they won't get their answers. | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: adding too much general rules to topic doesn't serve a purpose | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since /topic length has a technical maximum length | 17:27 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, *shrugs* true if the inquirers usually ignore /topic. Then again, it may help. | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeek tautology | 17:27 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O yeah there's that as well. (maximum length for /topic). | 17:28 |
| psycho_oreos | Maybe onjoin chanserv greet telling them to be expected to wait. | 17:28 |
| psycho_oreos | robotanarchy, also considered about asking the same question in #scratchbox ? | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I could set up an autoresponder on regex "<oooaaaooo>.*\?" --> "WAIT til somebody answers! we're not on 24/7 standby to do your 1st level support in less than 5 min" | 17:29 |
| robotanarchy | psycho_oreos: ah there's a channel for that? thanks xD | 17:30 |
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| robotanarchy | it's amazing how much the IRC of maemo etc. is populated in 2013 | 17:30 |
| psycho_oreos | That would also work. :D | 17:30 |
| psycho_oreos | robotanarchy, yeah I recall there was. Anyway I checked via /msg alis list *scratchbox* and there was one. Seems like only 10 people/bots are in it. | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably questions regarding SB rather go to some ML, since on IRC the SB support is scarce | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the SB used in maemo is not even in maintenance mode anymore since at least 3 years | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik they orphaned SB2 now | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're using SB(1) | 17:35 |
| robotanarchy | DocScrutinizer05: ok thanks, if I have a really big important question, I'll put it on the ML :) all the tutorials are for sb1 and I haven't done this before, so I'll stick to that, too | 17:35 |
| robotanarchy | I've also thought about sort-of building my own crosscompiling toolchain, but then again I only want to compile a few packages^^ | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SB is a PITA but once you got it set up it kinda works | 17:37 |
| drathir | ~usb | 17:37 |
| infobot | hmm... usb is Unusable Serial Bus. Useless Serial Bus. Ugly Stupid Bus | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it seems every possible problem arising from SB in maemo development got sorted meanwhile | 17:37 |
| drathir | ~usbfix | 17:37 |
| infobot | well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never heard about "importing SB sig to apt" | 17:38 |
| psycho_oreos | robotanarchy, if you have issues setting up scratchbox. I was just thinking it maybe an easier solution (if possible) to use one of those pre-made VM with scratchbox already setup within it. | 17:39 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm guessing it sounds like one wants to install SB through apt. Then there's something like apt-key for instance. | 17:40 |
| robotanarchy | DocScrutinizer05: I guess their packages aren't signed. would be good practice though, since we build all the packages with that software (openssl, ssh, ... for starters) | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, robotanarchy's question alludes to some signature of .deb packages SB allegedly does and that apt is not aware of or can't check. I never heard of SB doing any such signatures | 17:40 |
| robotanarchy | psycho_oreos: yes, I do it with apt, have already set up a i386 debian wheezy LXC VM for that and I guess it will work out, just wondered whether it was possible to verify the packages | 17:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | robotanarchy, well I guess DocScrutinizer05's answer seems to be more precise there then. | 17:42 |
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| robotanarchy | thanks anyway :) | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robotanarchy: you have full control over the complete lifecycle of your homemade .deb. signing them won't help for anything | 17:43 |
| robotanarchy | i meant, if the scratchbox debs were signed | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they are not | 17:43 |
| robotanarchy | it would help for man in the middle attacks etc | 17:43 |
| robotanarchy | yes that's clear now | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I would notice any man in the middle of my USB cable ;-D | 17:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | Signing packages (especially deb) reminds me too much about 'harmattan'. :p | 17:45 |
| robotanarchy | lol sure, I mean: when I set up my VM for debian package building, first I need the scratchbox binaries (from the scratchbox website, in deb form per apt-get). it would be nice if these debs from scratchbox.org were signed | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all you're not supposed to publish your homemade .deb to the general public - and even when you do, those who are receiving them don't have any valid pubkey to verify your private signature | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, those | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those are "secured" by md5sum | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 17:46 |
| robotanarchy | DocScrutinizer05: Yes, debian packages have integrated md5 sums. I guess you get my point :) | 17:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | If say in theory scratchbox were to be that popular, I'm sure the devs would have considered signing deb packages. | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just can't do anything about that, since we don't know about the original sb binaries either, since we didn't build them | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we're providing them "as is" via https:// if you like | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's as good a MITM attack prevention as it gets in this case | 17:49 |
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| robotanarchy | DocScrutinizer05: that would be better, yes :) | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~whois scratchbox.org | 17:50 |
| infobot | whois: user 'scratchbox.org' does not exist. | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we inherited hosting of scratchbox.org from original maintainers, adn we provide the content "as is", we can't do any further signing on those "blobs", except https transfer. I dunno if scratchbox VM has a proper SSL cert for https, might check eventually | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MEH, no https on sb.org | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: ^^^^ could you check that please? | 17:54 |
| robotanarchy | DocScrutinizer05: you could also provide sha512 sums on the blobs on another site, so users could check them (I might update/write a wiki article about scratchbox setup when I have mine, so I'd put that there) | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I'll eventually try to get a semi-decent SSL cert for it | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robotanarchy: please ask thedead1440, he's our "new" sb vm maintainer | 17:55 |
| robotanarchy | DocScrutinizer05: ok :) | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course he can create sha512 sums and provide them on site | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: until proper cert from CA, please ask warfare to provide self-signed cert for sb vm | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please send a mail to techstaff, with the requirement/change-request | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I won't keep track of this issue | 17:59 |
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| japa-fi | Is there some known bugs in N900 media player's mp3 tag support? I have some MP3s on the N900 and some of them are listed as unknown artist, though I can see there are id3v2 tags | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try musorgsky | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | id3 editor | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if there's a bug, then it's in trackerd | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not in media player | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tracker | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grr | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys tracker | 18:21 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'tracker' by key (15): ftp mirror tracker ;; soundtracker ;; sarah tracker ;; jdtracker ;; timetracker ;; voodoo tracker ;; request tracker ;; jsetitracker ;; asterisk issue tracker ;; bugtracker ;; stracker ;; trackerreset ;; keg tracker ;; impulse tracker 3 ;; laptop tracker. | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~trackerreset | 18:21 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, trackerreset is "tracker-processes --hard-reset" in Terminal | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo trackerreset | 18:22 |
| infobot | trackerreset -- created by MohammadAG <~MohammadA@62.219.120.20> at Wed Jun 16 21:53:01 2010 (1194 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 29s ago. | 18:22 |
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| japa-fi | DocScrutinizer05, I've edited the tags with "id3v2" | 18:30 |
| japa-fi | commandline tool, that's why I like it. | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, hardly anything *I* can do about it | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I just can tell you that mediaplayer does NOT read id3 tags, it's tracker that does, when scanning your media files. this scan happening only now and then, triggered by a set of conditions | 18:32 |
| japa-fi | DocScrutinizer05, That's news to me | 18:33 |
| japa-fi | I assume one of the triggering conditions is exiting from USB mass storage mode... | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, nope | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | changes in files on any of the media storage volumes are, as seen by inotify | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and there are options to disallow any indexing e.g. when on battery | 18:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | trackerreset usually triggers a full indexing run | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which can take like 30 minutes, on huge mp3 volumes | 18:36 |
| japa-fi | I have some ~25-30files | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should take only seconds then | 18:36 |
| japa-fi | So: tracker-processes --hard-reset will force re-indexing if I understood correctly | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | touching any file should usually also force reindexing of prolly that file only | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe only as long as trackerd "sees it" via inotify | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are watched dirs and indexed dirs, in tracker.cfg | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the watched ones are prolly the ones monitored by inotify, while the indexed ones are those who are only scanned when a "huge scan" gets triggered by e.g. reboot or whatever | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tracker is a pity, and buggy too | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pta even | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn! PITA | 18:41 |
| japa-fi | On a positive side: THe player seems to support the embedded images with mp3 (or its the tracker again), even supports png. Either it masks transparency as black or it supports it, but it's better than sonos. With sonos transparent equals to white -> ugly | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be thumbnailerd | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | creating .coveralbumart | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or whatever the name of those files | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, scrap that | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trackerd seems to store the coveralbumart inside the db | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | umm no, /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds/.mediaartlocal | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and /media/mmc1/allofmp3/C/Cure, The/Seventeen Seconds/.mediaartlocal | 18:50 |
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| Sc0rpius | I wonder if there's a way to "wake" camera-ui and wait for the resulting picture (if any) via D-Bus or API or whatever | 21:14 |
| Sc0rpius | I can't find a way from an app to call the camera app and if it takes a picture get the the filename of it | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik there's none | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you might be better off with nicocam aka cameraui2, from CSSU | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or take picture with generic means, there been several mini-howtos on that | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gstreamer command, building your own pipe | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or you actually want to use cameraui with all the features like manual trigger button etc, then you could simply inotify-watch the DCIM dir for any new file showing up | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | starting the cameraui (rather: unhiding the window, since cameraui is preloaded and always running afaik) should be feasible with standard means afaik, similar to starting any other app that has a .desktop | 21:47 |
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| Sc0rpius | well what I didn't want to do is make my own camera-ui (if I use gstreamer I would have to kinda do that) | 21:53 |
| Sc0rpius | there's a dbus signal to tell camera-ui to go to the top | 21:54 |
| Sc0rpius | but I would have also need to detect if the user didn't want to take a picture | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why? | 21:55 |
| Sc0rpius | to stop looking at the DCIM dir | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check dbus for signals flying by when closing c | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cameraui | 21:56 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah I guess | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed this function "macro" is missing a lot in a number of places | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. in avatar assigning in contacts | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF start camera, take picture, then search DCIM manually in contacts to assign that snapshot to the contact avatar? pfff | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mbarcode also created own GUI for camera | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | quite a number of other apps as well would need or at least could use that genuine camera function | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I almost could bet Qtm comes with an own widget that provides camera function but doesn't use the standard cam GUI either | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo failed epically to support/provide those toolkit functions for "take picture", "make a note", "draw a sketch", etc | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "record an audio sample" | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "send an email"(?) | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "send an SMS" | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | terribly poor API design | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: probably you building a generic "shoot a picture" lib (or whatever, daemon, executable, dunno) would benefit all maemo community | 22:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you will want to find out how to pass command line options to such executable, to define operation modes (macro, night mode, flash or no flash, etc pp) and the file where user finally will find the result. The executable should return OK (0) if everything worked, -1 for E_USER_ABORTED, < -1 for other errors (like "no free storage" or whatever) | 22:11 |
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| Sc0rpius | but like a wrapper of the camera-ui app? | 22:17 |
| Sc0rpius | and I totally agree about epic fail from Maemo to provide an API for standard mobile operations. | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, wrapper to whatever hides behind standard cameraui | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alternatively nicocam could (or already does?) provide a more generic API for such stuff, but obviously that doesn't help for non-CSSU users - unless you install nicocam as *alternative* in parallel to the stock cameraui | 22:25 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah and I don't really want that | 22:28 |
| Sc0rpius | same for FCamera / FCam | 22:28 |
| Sc0rpius | that also provides an API | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wrapper it is, then | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should be feasible | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with some dbus and inotify magic, plus prolly some gconf messing around for the modes (don't forget to reset to status before using the function, as soon as possible) | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need such wrapper anyway, for whatever been the reason you initially asked. Just make it a stand-alone binary wrapper that can get used by other apps as well | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/binary wrapper/wrapper executable/ | 22:33 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: you need such wrapper anyway, for whatever been the reason you initially asked. Just make it a stand-alone wrapper executable that can get used by other apps as well | 22:33 |
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| wotan147 | Folks when packaging for maemo. you don't need to login into scratchbox? I mean you do the sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL and all the rest from outside ? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I consider "cmdline" the most universal API interface, and just appropriate for this type of function, regarding complexity of invocation and speed/overhead of calling it. Each language has a system() call, and shellscripts are most natural environment for cmdline execuatbles. No need for any dbus interface or whatever, for that wrapper API | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wotan147: I think you do that inside scratchbox | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but ask somebody who actually did it during last 24 months | 22:38 |
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| wotan147 | DocScrutinizer05 okay cause I mean in scratchbox i can not access to the documents of my host system | 22:40 |
| shentey | wotan147: as DocScrutinizer05 said, the workflow is to log into scratchbox and do the packaging there | 22:41 |
| wotan147 | shentey | 22:43 |
| shentey | wotan147: and yes, you can't access files from your host system in scratchbox... you have to copy the files | 22:43 |
| wotan147 | shenten okay so I copy everything from the host to guest then login and do the whole stuff? | 22:45 |
| shentey | (assuming we're talking about scratchbox 1... I've no idea about sb2) | 22:45 |
| shentey | wotan147: right | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | either copy, or symlink. And of course you can access stuff *inside* SB from your host system, so your documents are maybe just in the wrong location from a host POV? | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err bindmount | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | symlinks won't work | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardlinks will | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or bindmounts | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which documents you're missing? | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all sourcecode and other files needed for packaging should already live inside SB | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to remember I created normal dir structure and files inside scratchbox, and created a convenient symlink to that location in my homedir, like /home/jr/maemo/ACMEproject/ -> /scratchbox/home/user/home/whatever/user/bla/sources/home/user/ACMEproject/ | 23:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | symlinks from outside to inside SB work | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you can't escape from SB to host, since it's a chroot environment | 23:03 |
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| wotan147 | shentey inside it says it doesnot find dh_make while debhelper is installed . do you have any idea? | 23:06 |
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| wotan147 | DocScrutinizer05 I was missing all the source directory since it was all on the host. I did sudo cp -r * /scratchbox....... and then chown from the host and now i can have it from inside the guest although I have problem with some files marked as root | 23:09 |
| wotan147 | I will setup links as you said once the whole process work, now I have this weird think with dh_make | 23:10 |
| shentey | wotan147: what command are you executing? | 23:11 |
| wotan147 | shentey dh_make --createorig --single -e myemail@pro.com -c gpl but I have just spotted an internet that dh_make is not include with the debhelper of freemantel so apparently I have to dh_make from outside | 23:12 |
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| shentey | wotan147: alright... I'm not a .deb professional anyway ;) | 23:13 |
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| wotan147 | it now says rm: cannot remove `build-stamp': Permission denied when i dpkg-buildpackage do you know what it refer to? | 23:32 |
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