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| RiD | how can i create a symlink in .sounds that redirects to a specific folder in my memory card? | 00:05 |
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| Pali | $ ln -s /media/mmc1/file .sounds/file | 00:07 |
| wnd | if you haven't created a new filesystem on MyDocs, you don't | 00:07 |
| wnd | it uses vfat by defalt, which doesn't support fancy things such as symlinks | 00:08 |
| RiD | ugh | 00:08 |
| dos1 | you can symlink *to* vfat | 00:08 |
| dos1 | you cannot do that *on* it | 00:08 |
| RiD | hmm... | 00:08 |
| RiD | i guess that will do it. | 00:08 |
| wnd | you could bind-mount a proper fs over .sounds :-) | 00:09 |
| RiD | oh wait | 00:09 |
| RiD | does symlink work on fat32? | 00:09 |
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| RiD | yeah it doesn't. Guess I'll have to live with it - too lazy to reformat mSD card, since it's sole purpose is to store & listen to music | 00:15 |
| dos1 | RiD: vfat == fat32 | 00:16 |
| dos1 | if you want to point to memory card, then it doesn't matter which fs it has | 00:17 |
| dos1 | what matters is which fs is where you want to place that link | 00:17 |
| RiD | well i just wanted it to be sort of a simple "shortcut" to another folder, so that I don't have to separatedly browse mSD music on rockbox | 00:18 |
| dos1 | where is .sounds? in /home? | 00:18 |
| RiD | /home/MyDocs/.sounds i guess | 00:18 |
| dos1 | MyDocs is vfat, so it won't work | 00:19 |
| RiD | i noticed | 00:19 |
| dos1 | you would have to reformat MyDocs, not mSD card | 00:19 |
| RiD | but the other way could work for me too - i can set rockbox file browser default location | 00:19 |
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| RiD | hm, maybe if I do a folder full of symlinks to these, on a different fs? | 00:20 |
| dos1 | it should work | 00:21 |
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| Win7Mac | Hi there! | 01:05 |
| Win7Mac | Would you agree that option #2 here is the right way to go to install grub on a Laptop with 1 SSD for Ubuntu+Win7 and 1 HDD for data?: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=102097#p579913 | 01:05 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: neo900.org got some visits with trooli.fi referers | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | patent trolls? | 02:14 |
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| dos1 | google translate: "Finland's leading investment and economic debate focuses on economically and ideologically totally independent forum." | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 02:15 |
| dos1 | but seems to be available only for registered | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still unclear what to think about it | 02:16 |
| dos1 | so dunno what's inside about neo900 | 02:16 |
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| dos1 | since website update there were 18 referrals (for comparition: 25 from mwkn, 23 from slashdot) | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, mwkn | 02:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 forgot to check recent issue | 02:18 | |
| dos1 | :) | 02:18 |
| dos1 | 39 from facebook and 181 from tmo :D | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, MWKN | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ms which killed nokia | 02:20 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 just started to wonder why Jolla can sell a 300EUR preorder tshirt when Neo900 worries about how to get 15k bucks to develop prototypes | 02:22 | |
| dos1 | there are also referrals from various blog posts, mostly in foreign languages | 02:22 |
| dos1 | this trooli.fi being the only mysterious one | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, what jolla promises to deliver eventually (basically nothing specific at all), we can promise just as well | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | More modern? | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | backing of a real company? | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, let's be honest - for now "walk on, nothing to see here!" on Neo900.org | 02:24 |
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| dos1 | hmm, trooli means trawl in Finnish, so I guess it's some news robot or something | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err wait, 100EUR preorder | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rightß | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: google it, there must be something known about this site | 02:26 |
| dos1 | ok, "news bot" is a red herring | 02:28 |
| dos1 | "The country's leading stock market experts gathered to it anonymously on a daily basis. If you want to succeed and make the first miljoonasi quickly as trooli.fi is the right address. Does not require an email or a name, so you can chat with the investment problems anonymously!" | 02:28 |
| dos1 | (gtranslate of course) | 02:28 |
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| dos1 | I wonder what "leading stock market experts" would want to discuss about neo900 :o | 02:28 |
| dos1 | well, something's fishy there: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fi&u=http://kaksplus.fi/keskustelu/plussalaiset/mitas-nyt/2261649-miten-saisin-trooli-fi-sta-varakkaan-miehen-itselleni-iskettya/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtrooli%2Bfi%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Diceweasel-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:pl-PL:unofficial | 02:30 |
| dos1 | I guess we need someone who knows Finnish to get proper answer :P | 02:30 |
| * dos1 can sing Ievan Polkka, but that's it :) | 02:31 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HUMPPA? | 02:32 |
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| dos1 | dunno much about humppa, but I definitely cannot dance :D | 02:34 |
| wnd | erm... "How can I hook up with a weathy gentleman at trooli.fi? They're wealthy and smart; just look at their huge 4x4s and booze cruises to Tallinn. They save loads of money that way, and I'd definitely have use for that money! [image link] I suppose they wouldn't have a poor, low-income women?" | 02:34 |
| wnd | what a load of... | 02:34 |
| dos1 | wtf | 02:35 |
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| wnd | it's hard to translate badly written text that's as clueless as that | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thaks anyway X-D | 02:38 |
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| Kilroo | So I actually noticed today who you are on the forums, Doc. | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh | 02:39 |
| RiD | Kilroo haha, it wasn't instant for me either | 02:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Kilroo: could you tell me? i'm wondering since long time who i am | 02:40 |
| Kilroo | I know the feeling. I have no idea who I am. | 02:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | let's ask my darling infobot | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg | 02:41 |
| infobot | joerg is probably a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer | 02:41 |
| dos1 | you're wealthy and smart, just look at your huge 4x4s! but I suppose you wouldn't have a... wait, no, stop | 02:42 |
| dos1 | ;) | 02:42 |
| Kilroo | ~DocScrutinizer | 02:42 |
| infobot | i guess docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 02:42 |
| dos1 | ~dos | 02:42 |
| infobot | i guess dos is (Disk Operating System) This OS is what got it all started for PCs. Denial of Service... | 02:42 |
| dos1 | :) | 02:42 |
| Kilroo | Hooray cross-referencing... | 02:42 |
| Kilroo | ~Kilroo | 02:43 |
| Kilroo | ~scriptninja | 02:43 |
| Kilroo | Good. | 02:43 |
| RiD | you have huge 4x4's? | 02:44 |
| dos1 | they're weathy gentleman at #maemo :) | 02:45 |
| Kilroo | I still read 4x4 and think of a wooden beam before I think of a vehicle... | 02:45 |
| RiD | i want to know what kind of 4x4's you own, Doc | 02:45 |
| dos1 | RiD: read scrollback, I think I just trolled you :D | 02:46 |
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| RiD | eh wat | 02:47 |
| RiD | you messed up my brain | 02:47 |
| dos1 | yw :) | 02:51 |
| RiD | see, you keep doing it | 02:53 |
| dos1 | I think I'd better go to sleep now | 02:54 |
| dos1 | before I mess up more innocent brains | 02:54 |
| RiD | i am not innocent | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hah | 03:26 |
| jonwil | Question, would a "this is the problem with audio on the Neo900 and these are the solutions" type thing be better on the wiki or the forum? | 03:28 |
| FIQ | huh, that's kinda weird | 03:43 |
| FIQ | ran fsck from BM, didn't do a thing apparently.. tried fsck -nv on the /opt afterwards when in maemo - considered clean, all fine and good | 03:44 |
| FIQ | then I open xchat, and it can't open its' logs, I check, they're corrupted.. and now fsck -nv tells more or less that the entire fs is broken | 03:44 |
| FIQ | I don't really understand what fsck.ext2 really does (beyond attempting to repairr the file system) as I don't know how EXT works | 03:45 |
| FIQ | but that... doesn't make much sense to me | 03:45 |
| FIQ | ah well, guess I'll have to restore root+opt to last backup as usual | 03:46 |
| FIQ | whatever goes wrong with the file system, it's ALWAYS the xchat logs | 03:46 |
| FIQ | is there a filesize limit? should I back up my logs at the computer and restart them from scratch? | 03:47 |
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| FIQ | it's possible that this will solve all my issues regarding corruption but I dunno | 03:48 |
| FIQ | xchatlogs is 363M (or something around it - pretty much all logs are corrupt atm as I haven't restored yet), /opt has 189M (i.e. 9%) free.. dunno what's safe and not | 03:49 |
| FIQ | it's the biggest part of the /opt for me by far | 03:50 |
| mashina | holy shit, you need al those logs on device? | 03:54 |
| mashina | put them on an sd card and wipe your logs | 03:54 |
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| mashina | like scrollback is enough log for me | 03:55 |
| FIQ | no I don't need them on device at all | 03:55 |
| FIQ | I do like preserving the logs though | 03:55 |
| FIQ | should probably backup them somewhere else | 03:56 |
| mashina | even an sd card | 03:56 |
| FIQ | after all they're like 2 years old or something | 03:56 |
| mashina | i never save logs | 03:56 |
| mashina | except xchat scrollback but that has a limiot afaik | 03:57 |
| FIQ | I always do, everywhere I run a client, unless I forgot to :P | 03:57 |
| FIQ | but yeah, should get them somewhere so they'll not hurt the fs over and over | 03:57 |
| FIQ | forcing me to go to backup.. | 03:58 |
| mashina | i have a bouncer, but it's a specialized software that only has desktop client | 03:58 |
| mashina | could be easily ported though | 03:58 |
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| FIQ | specialized bouncer...? why | 03:58 |
| FIQ | I use ZNC myself | 03:58 |
| mashina | gtk# is ported to mameo | 03:58 |
| FIQ | Not the logging part of it though, but it should be trivial to turn on | 03:58 |
| mashina | i use smuxi - it feels a lot more elegant than a traditionl bnc | 03:58 |
| FIQ | then I wouldn't need logging at all :P | 03:58 |
| FIQ | (besides that znc instance) | 03:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | quassel is another option | 04:02 |
| mashina | quassel and smuxi are two similar clients | 04:02 |
| mashina | i prefer smuxi myself as i support my C# on unix brethereb after rms led lynch mobs thinned their numbers | 04:03 |
| mashina | also dev is cool and i help him with bugs | 04:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: wiki, definitely | 04:19 |
| jonwil | ok | 04:20 |
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| jonwil | Now creating http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Audio | 04:48 |
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| jonwil | Going to state the goal, the problem and the theoretical solutions | 04:48 |
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| jonwil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Audio | 08:11 |
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| Macer | hm. my ms surface is showing up today | 10:18 |
| Macer | hope it can bt tether to the n900 | 10:18 |
| Macer | heh | 10:18 |
| Macer | although it says it can adhoc so i'll believe it when i see it | 10:19 |
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| kerio | Pali: mmh, can't bme replacement charge from a usb host when g_ether is loaded? | 11:47 |
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| Pali | kerio: do not know, usb gadget must ask for 500mA from usb host | 11:50 |
| kerio | i thought all usb gadget modules did that | 11:50 |
| Pali | no | 11:50 |
| Pali | only those which have specified it in source file | 11:50 |
| Pali | or maybe it is possible to change also via sysfs - but do not know | 11:51 |
| Pali | kerio: and patches for gadget drivers are rejected, read what I wrote to #maemo-ssu | 11:51 |
| kerio | daaaaamn, usb networking is so much faster than wifi or bt pan | 11:52 |
| kerio | the lack of lag is the most surprising thing | 11:52 |
| Wizzup | still randomly get broken pipes though | 11:53 |
| kerio | maybe your pipes | 11:53 |
| kerio | my pipes are stronk | 11:53 |
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| kerio | ok, this is silly | 12:14 |
| kerio | i synchronized my n900's clock this morning | 12:15 |
| kerio | and now it's at -1.5s again | 12:15 |
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| sledges | hello | 12:48 |
| sledges | does n900 TV out cable have any pins mixed up? | 12:49 |
| sledges | or I can use a standard RGB tulips and 3+1 pin stereo jack? | 12:49 |
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| Macer | kerio: but then you need a cable connected | 12:58 |
| Macer | who wants that? it isn't 2003 anymore | 12:58 |
| kerio | well ofc | 12:58 |
| kerio | on the other hand | 12:58 |
| Macer | heh | 12:58 |
| kerio | you can actually see you typing as you type | 12:58 |
| Macer | hm | 12:59 |
| Macer | i was using bt dun a few minutes ago | 12:59 |
| Macer | it wasnt laggy at all | 12:59 |
| pabs3 | DocScrutinizer05: does the GTA04 motherboard have all the same kinds of hardware as the N900? (fm transmitter etc) | 13:04 |
| entitled | cool, was that N900 that featured in breaking bad S05E14? | 13:06 |
| entitled | "your fancy phone" | 13:06 |
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| oooaaaooo | hi guys ive installed a couple of apps that dont seem to show up in the app screen; other than command line is there a graphical way to find them? | 15:43 |
| oooaaaooo | also is "faster app manager" any good? | 15:43 |
| jonwil | "faster app manager" is NOT good | 15:45 |
| jonwil | or so says the experts around here every time someone brings up the subject :) | 15:45 |
| oooaaaooo | ok | 15:47 |
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| oooaaaooo | how do i scan through installed apps that dont show up in the app screen | 15:47 |
| gomiam | well, FAM is quite helpful when you want to install many things at once, but it doesn't show all packages either | 15:47 |
| gomiam | oooaaaooo: I go the apt-cache search route :) | 15:47 |
| oooaaaooo | gomiam: howbout ui? maybe an app? | 15:47 |
| gomiam | oooaaaooo: I don't remember if there is a version of synaptic for maemo... | 15:48 |
| oooaaaooo | gomiam: does HAM have a installed apps menu? | 15:48 |
| oooaaaooo | gomiam: :P | 15:48 |
| inz | maemo - there's no app for that | 15:48 |
| gomiam | oooaaaooo: kinda, if you go to the uninstall section it shows what is installed | 15:49 |
| oooaaaooo | gomiam: ok | 15:49 |
| gomiam | and yes, you can install synaptic on maemo (at least on n900) | 15:49 |
| oooaaaooo | gomiam: oh? | 15:49 |
| gomiam | just checked | 15:49 |
| gomiam | let me see what the repository is | 15:49 |
| gomiam | it seems to be at http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle non-free | 15:50 |
| gomiam | its being non-free is a bit of a surprise thougfh | 15:50 |
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| oooaaaooo | hmm | 15:52 |
| gomiam | the good part of it is you probably have it already available | 15:53 |
| oooaaaooo | i downloaded the sixaxis package and cant see any icon for it | 15:53 |
| oooaaaooo | gomiam: what in the cat? | 15:54 |
| gomiam | oooaaaooo: synaptic, a GUI package manager for Debian and Ubuntu that seems to be available on Fremantle too | 15:55 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: GTA04 actually has IrDA | 16:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, thought as much | 16:01 |
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| dos1 | there's just no kernel driver for it | 16:01 |
| dos1 | Nikolaus pointed it out regarding table on website ;) | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if you need many drivers for SIR | 16:02 |
| dos1 | yeah, it's probably easy, just no one has done it yet | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SIR basically is "replace rs232 cable by a lightbeam", literally | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just that the 1 bits are not 100% but 3/18 of a bit length iirc | 16:05 |
| kerio | is it actually useful for anything except for universal remotes, nowadays? | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since it's on UART3 it is *very* convenient to get boot console ;-) | 16:06 |
| kerio | ooh, neat | 16:07 |
| kerio | ...if only i had *anything else* with irda | 16:07 |
| kerio | can't we get a usb serial console? | 16:08 |
| kerio | like, emulate a ftdi chip | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think that should get done in kernel | 16:08 |
| kerio | during boot time? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw USB can even do "true serial" | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | D+ = TX, D- = RX | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | On n900 hardware? | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think that's a cpommon feature of USB cores | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | common even | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I'm wrong, coffee deficit | 16:17 |
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| pabs3 | does GTA04 have FM? | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | USB specs list it as a standard mode | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "even with RDS" | 16:18 |
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| * RST38h moos | 16:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mooeerrks *cough* | 16:19 |
| dos1 | N900 doesn't have RDS support in reciever, does it? | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has afaik | 16:21 |
| dos1 | k | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gta04: SI4721BG, N900: SI4705(?) | 16:21 |
| wnd | at least it can show channel info | 16:21 |
| wnd | not sure if that qualifies it as rds-capable, though | 16:22 |
| dos1 | ok, I remember sending RDS via transmitter, just weren't sure if rx had it too | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it does | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though *all* that audio stuff gives us some headache, since it's completely different between GTA04 and N900 | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but hey, nokia did it, we can do as well ;-) | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tlv320aic34 is sourcable in million quatities and single chips | 16:27 |
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| jonwil | DocScrutinizer05: http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Audio | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | give me some 30min to wake up | 16:28 |
| jonwil | ok :) | 16:28 |
| RST38h | IMPLEMENT WHOLE N900 IN AN FPGA! | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. the SI4721BG is connected to SoC via McBSP | 16:29 |
| * RST38h hides, will shut up now | 16:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: that's for next decade. You know the C64 also took ten years to come as chip in the joystick | 16:30 |
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| jonwil | So basically the issues are whether our decompile of policy-settings-rx51 is accurate (and whether changes are required to reflect hardware/software differences), how we can decompile policy.dresc (and whether changes are required to reflect hardware/software differences), what to do about the cellular audio issue and whether pasr, alsa-policy-enforcement or pulseaudio-nokia need any changes... | 16:37 |
| jonwil | ...to reflect hardware/software differences other than the cellular audio problem | 16:37 |
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| Sysaxed | what is neo900 | 16:38 |
| dos1 | ~neo900 | 16:38 |
| infobot | [neo900] at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/ | 16:38 |
| Sysaxed | holy shit, are you kidding me :O | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | heh, I don't even know how to spell "kidding" | 16:42 |
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| Sysaxed | omg I'm about to start crying | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why? about that waste of energy? | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since many think it's exactly that | 16:43 |
| Sysaxed | shhh, let me dream a little bit! | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe a new fan | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you will want to *read* the whole http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 to get *really* excited. It gets better with every bit of additional info you receive | 16:46 |
| jonwil | Neo900 got another mention on slashdot | 16:47 |
| jonwil | http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4227097&cid=44881285 | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 16:47 |
| Sysaxed | I've always been a fan, but I was unable to see any future for n900 | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now there is | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 16:47 |
| n900-dk | how should one address an issue with the LTE chip in the neo900? | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's commonly considered that HARM and N9 been a move into the wrong direction, now we gonna correct this | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk: an issue? | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk: what issues do you have? | 16:49 |
| pabs3 | DocScrutinizer05: time to submit it to /. and hackernews? | 16:49 |
| n900-dk | is doesn't support LTE on 800MHz | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pabs3: dos1 and me are about to do - though it seems somebody was faster than us? see above | 16:50 |
| jonwil | That was just a comment in another thread | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 16:50 |
| jonwil | We need an actual story I guess | 16:50 |
| pabs3 | agreed | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1, GeneralAntilles, and me will draft a nice thread starter post for /. | 16:51 |
| pabs3 | I never actually used the N900, is the touchscreen good? | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | excellent | 16:51 |
| n900-dk | several European mobile operators have LTE on the 800MHz band, so it should be supported | 16:51 |
| jonwil | Hey, if a Crapberry phone can get a story, surely a phone like the Neo900 can get a story | 16:51 |
| Humpelstilzchen | Hi, just wanted to drop a "Happy to see plans for a n900 future" | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the difference to gta02 panel is like the differnce between sweet buttercream and concrete | 16:52 |
| Sysaxed | pabs3: it is perfect | 16:52 |
| jonwil | n900-dk, if you can find an LTE module that supports the bands you need, that's available in small quantities and that is open enough for the Neo900, feel free to suggest | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk: alas we don't have mucjh options but Option modules | 16:52 |
| Humpelstilzchen | pabs3: depends on if you prefer resistive or capacitive touch | 16:52 |
| n900-dk | the Telit LE920 4g/LTE Module seems to have support for 800MHz | 16:53 |
| jonwil | but I bet telit wont sell to you unless you are ordering big numbers | 16:54 |
| Sysaxed | depends on if you're a potato-brained-WOOOWWW-MULTITOUCH-5-finger-gestures guy... | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk: we did literally years of checking what options we have for cellular. It's about availability, documentation, price, size, whatnot else | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Option is almost perfect | 16:54 |
| dos1 | option is a best option for us :) | 16:55 |
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| n900-dk | e.g. LTE on Deutsche Telekom will not be an option then | 16:55 |
| n900-dk | or TDC in Denmark | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I checked the Telit modules and the company some 2 yeras ago, can't recall much about it right now. But rest ashured we try hard to find the best modem we can get, since it would be insane to go for anything less than the best option | 16:56 |
| n900-dk | but pretty stupid to make the same mistake as Apple did with the iPhone5.. | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Option may come up with an improved modem module eventually, and i'd hope it is as pin compatible and drop-in replacement as the 601 and 609 and 801 | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even a 801i | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you dissolder the 801 and solder in the 801i, eh? | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | deal? | 16:58 |
| jonwil | So does the Option modem support Quad Band GSM/EDGE? | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course if that 801i appears before we start MP, we will try hard to swap | 16:58 |
| jonwil | And does it support UMTS on 850, 900 and 2100? | 16:59 |
| dos1 | n900-dk: well, it'd be hardly "an mistake" here, as that's our limitation, not concious design choice "let's not include LTE on 800!" | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.roundsolutions.com/shop/products/en/Modules-and-accessories/LTE-Module/GTM801-thinnest-LGA-4G-LGA-Module.html | 17:00 |
| jake42 | jonwil: yes and yes (according to datasheet) | 17:00 |
| n900-dk | yeah you are right, but why loose a lot of potential users already from day 1 | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because we have no better options | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there are other - maybe technically better - modules, but they are *huge* | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so what to do? swap battery lid for mugen cover? | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to fit the telit in? | 17:02 |
| n900-dk | ok, it was just a heads up, to make sure someone thought about this issue | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rest assured we think about such topics all day and night | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we're fanatic to build THE BEST product we could come up with | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | every single missed out opportunity, every single little oopsie is a personal embarrassment to us | 17:04 |
| dos1 | let's come up with 16-core 20GHz and 128 GB RAM, why loose potential users? :D | 17:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway many thanks for bringing it up, please continue with input, we can use as much of it as we can get | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: no sarcasm needed, n900-dk's concerns are perfectly sane and helpful as well | 17:06 |
| jonwil | Its not clear from that GTM801 page if it really supports UMTS900 or not | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: the get the datasheet | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then* | 17:06 |
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| jonwil | About the only band it doesn't support is 1700MHz UMTS for T-Mobile USA | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though: > >UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA+/DCHSPA +800-850/1900/2100/AWS MHz (B1 /B2/B4/B5/B6) at 42 Mbps DL/5.7 6Mbps UL max speed<< | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | B1 /B2/B4/B5/B6 is pretty specific | 17:08 |
| jonwil | That seems to be a different page to the one I am looking at | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.roundsolutions.com/shop/products/en/Modules-and-accessories/LTE-Module/GTM801-thinnest-LGA-4G-LGA-Module.html | 17:08 |
| jonwil | I am looking at http://www.roundsolutions.com/techdocs/ds/GTM801U.pdf which says "900" | 17:08 |
| jonwil | 800-850/900/1900/2100 | 17:09 |
| dos1 | looks like there are two versions | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAH | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | > >FDD-LTE :700/850/1900/AWS MHz (B2/B4 /B5/B17) at 100 Mbps DL/50 Mbps UL<< | 17:09 |
| dos1 | 800/900/1800/2100/2600 (E), 700/850/1900/AWS (U) | 17:09 |
| dos1 | with LTE | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | given the multitude of bands the TX/RX section supports, and the fact that the difference between GSM, UMTS, and LTE is mostly the modulation/protocol, I guess it's just a question of firmware to support bands on radio-technology-Y that already are available freq at any other supported radio-technology of the module | 17:12 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 now starts to regret that he didn't work on radio stack when jobbing for ST-E | 17:13 | |
| jonwil | Sounds like Option has modems that do most of the frequency bands out there | 17:15 |
| jonwil | its just a matter of picking the one needed for your carrier/country | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I would be surprised if they didn't | 17:15 |
| jonwil | and it seems like the different versions are probably hardware/software/pin compatible (it would be stupid to not do it that way) | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway for even further supplementary info check the chipset: QualcomMDM9215/9615 | 17:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Option for sure doesn't build teir own radio stack firmware for the chipset they use | 17:18 |
| jonwil | I suspect it should be possible to produce the Neo900 with options for different-frequency pin/hw/sw-compatible Option modems (in the same way as the old GTA02 had variants for different frequencies since it wasnt quad-band GSM) | 17:19 |
| dos1 | yup | 17:20 |
| dos1 | the same way you'll be able to choose between 601, 609 and 801 | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, Roundsolutions says B1 /B2/B4/B5/B6 in one page and B1, B2, B5, B6, B8 in the other sheet, for UMTS | 17:22 |
| jonwil | what good is the CDMA choice given that the networks that support CDMA? (i.e. sprint, Verizon) wont let you activate any phone not originally sold for their network | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not our problem ;-) | 17:23 |
| jaska | sounds like a good reason to sue them <.< | 17:23 |
| jaska | and to not use cdma.. or buy phones from operators | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: we just offer Option options (God, I love this pun) | 17:24 |
| jaska | optional options | 17:24 |
| jonwil | makes sense, if it will fit on the PCB and if Option (or whoever resells Option parts) will sell it to you then there is no reason not to offer it as a choice :) | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems the Option GTM801 either has unclear fuzzy specs or actually comes in different variants | 17:25 |
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| jonwil | It probably does come in multiple versions | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | roundsolutions is our reseller | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nice guys | 17:26 |
| jonwil | ok | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they know us by name ;-) | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they have awesome antennae as well, btw | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and other nice stuff | 17:27 |
| jonwil | so are we going to be using the same bluetooth, FMRX and FMTX as the GTA04? | 17:32 |
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| jonwil | I would assume we would since I doubt we would be able to get hold of the BCM2048... :) | 17:35 |
| jonwil | Broadcomm isn't known for selling its parts in low volumes | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL, severe security threat in MSIE6..11, outlook, OE, windows mail, winXP..win8 | 17:50 |
| jonwil | heh | 17:50 |
| freemangordon | what a surprise :) | 17:50 |
| jonwil | I dont use Intercrap Exploder | 17:50 |
| dos1 | totally unexpected | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | absolutely | 17:50 |
| jonwil | I suspect at some point we may need to clone pulseaudio-nokia-* if we really want to move forward :P | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: WLAN/BT and FM(rx|tx) are unchanged from GTA04, yes | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as of now | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *maybe* we find a better WLAN(/BT) module that gives us less headache with SoC interface assignment | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but chances for that are _very_ low | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | finding good WLAN modules is a PITA | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | about general audio, I have to have a loooong phonecall with Nikolaus about getting original N900 audio gear into Neo900, as that's the only way forward for FPTF project I see feasible | 17:55 |
| Humpelstilzchen | DocScrutinizer05: Not TI wilink like in panda? | 17:55 |
| jonwil | Yes that is definatly the right way to go | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | read: tlv320aic34 | 17:55 |
| jonwil | Will we be using TWL4030 (or something that has compatible audio bits)? | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then we still face annoyances like Si4721BG connected audio to SoC via McBSP instead tof the analog way used in N900 for FMTX | 17:57 |
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| jonwil | FMTX/FMRX isn't as big a deal for audio since those subsystems seem somewhat separated from the rest of the audio system in Fremantle | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems twl4030 audio is flawed, according to ujXXXX-forgot-his-name | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | poor audio quality | 17:58 |
| jonwil | ok, so N900 isn't using twl4030 audio bits? | 17:58 |
| jonwil | if it isn't then its not an issue for us | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not at all afaik - verification pending | 17:59 |
| jonwil | ok | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just a pity to "waste" all those functions we already paid for | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but when they are crap, we happily bin them | 18:00 |
| jonwil | I think the goal should be to make the Neo900 audio system as close to the N900 audio system as we can get | 18:00 |
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| dos1 | add some contact pads for twl4030 so hw hackers will be able to use it | 18:00 |
| dos1 | (dunno if it makes sense, just quick idea ;)) | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly - we CANNOT redesign _all_ that nasty audio blobs in fremantle to match a new hw | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: an excellent idea | 18:01 |
| jonwil | there will still be a need for reverse engineering of N900 pulseaudio-nokia blobs to identify things | 18:01 |
| jonwil | or partial reverse engineering at least | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why? | 18:01 |
| jonwil | cellmo audio at least | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that. yes | 18:02 |
| jonwil | Read what I wrote on the "audio" page on wiki | 18:02 |
| jonwil | that covers our options and what we need to do going forward | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope to plumb new cellmo in a way audio (ped) doesn't notice a difference | 18:02 |
| kerio | it's not like the phone part actually matters | 18:03 |
| jonwil | remember that pulseaudio-module-nokia-voice (and embedded static copy of libcmtspeech) talks very specific interface to BB5 modem | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohplease! | 18:03 |
| jonwil | hence why pulseaudio-module-nokia-voice is such a problem for us | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: yes, I'm aware, and that will be a HUGE headache to us, but once we hacked that everything else will "just work" | 18:04 |
| kerio | just embed a ham radio :P | 18:04 |
| kerio | wouldn't we tie ourselves to the fremantle dialer, this way? | 18:05 |
| kerio | s/dialer/phone stack/ or something | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (libcmtspeech/pulseaudio-module-nokia-voice) | 18:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: no, just as we are ot tied to fremantle dialer right now | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you already can start a call via pnat ATD<any-number> | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and end the call via ATH | 18:07 |
| RST38h | mmm | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: it's actually just about audio | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically about a virtual "soundcard" | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, basically cmt *should* be just another ALSA soundcard | 18:10 |
| jonwil | but its not | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas it's not, in fremantle | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in SHR I suggested that approach, and I think they adopted it or at least planned to adopt it in future | 18:11 |
| jonwil | I strongly suspect we will need to clone libcmtspeech/pulseaudio-module-nokia-voice (using the Meego/Harmattan bits to help with that). That or go with giant hacks sitting in the kernel to convert "BB5" | 18:12 |
| jonwil | "BB5" flavor audio into "option" flavor audio | 18:12 |
| jonwil | audio and audio related commands | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, either of those two | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody said cmt will be easy | 18:13 |
| jonwil | cellular audio is now shaping up as the #1 hardest part of the entire FPTF project | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but we *definitely* will get cmt to work, easily, when we don't care about fremantle/hildon integration and use our own dialer. That's an option for early POC show-off though. As well as for very-long-term goals to transform fremantle into something completely free | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I think fremantle audio is thorougly flawed by design, to start with. Alas we won't be able to replace it by something better or more open, at least not during next 6 months | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then whole ped concept is one huge abomination | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the* | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and PA is... well peottering. nuff said about that | 18:17 |
| jonwil | the more I think about this, the more I suspect the list of packages we will need to reverse engineer or clone for the Neo900 is going to be larger than it looks at first glance | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, isn't that quite the opposite of what you said ~4 days ago? | 18:19 |
| jonwil | that was 4 days ago before I looked deeper into this | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 18:19 |
| jonwil | Whats the plan for camera? Use same cameras as N900? Use GTA04 camera? Use something else? | 18:19 |
| jonwil | Undecided? | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 cam | 18:19 |
| dos1 | but before that, at the very beginning, you said the same as now :) | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 100% compatibility | 18:20 |
| dos1 | jonwil: it's even on http://neo900.org/ now :D | 18:20 |
| jonwil | ok, in that case we can move the camera bits onto the "stuff we dont need to clone" list | 18:20 |
| jonwil | since we are using identical cameras and camera interface (I assume OMAP3430 and 3730 camera interface bits are compatible...) | 18:21 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: I decided to add screen details etc to the table, as people coming from Openmoko/OpenPhoenux community may also see Neo900 as upgrade for GTA04 (hw keyboard, bigger screen without bezel, camera etc.) | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: werner almesberger complained that the list comparing features is already a list of features and not a mere comparison, and thus he'd expect basics like screen etc there as well | 18:23 |
| dos1 | or there may be people who skipped GTA04, but will want to upgrade GTA02 with Neo900 | 18:23 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: yup, seen that | 18:23 |
| jonwil | anyone know if 3430 and 3730 DSP bits are compatible? | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: i'd hope cam IF is 100% compatible between 3430 and 3730, yes | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same for DSP I hope | 18:24 |
| dos1 | and when Nikolaus suggested including storage info, I've added everything that came to my mind to that list | 18:24 |
| jonwil | if camera IF isnt 100% compatible, I bet we can hide the differences in kernel drivers :) | 18:25 |
| dos1 | if there's anything I missed feel free to ping me | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: [2013-09-18 15:59:25] <Pali> freemangordon: I moved et8ek8 firmware into kernel drive r[2013-09-18 15:59:45] <Pali> so driver does not need external "firmware" from userspace | 18:25 |
| Pali | just to note et8ek8 firmware file is only kernel C structure with some data | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: (hide in kernel) yep, definitely. The original idea about FPTF | 18:26 |
| dos1 | at some point I even had LEDs and buttons listed there, but then I realised it's starting to go into too much detail ;) | 18:26 |
| Pali | so it is not "real" firmware | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: we have a hard time finding a solution for the fast swap either | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's largely unclear if those §32GB flash + 2GB RAM" eMMC chips actually have one bus for both, or a dedicated bus for each. The latter would render it useless for our purposes | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/§/"/ | 18:30 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: it's largely unclear if those "32GB flash + 2GB RAM" eMMC chips actually have one bus for both, or a dedicated bus for each. The latter would render it useless for our purposes | 18:30 |
| n900-dk | What could be a realistic ETA for the Neo900, if it will become a piece of hardware in the future? | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mid of 2014 | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe faster | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | with first (still buggy) prototypes to show off coming up and of this year maybe | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/ an/ en/ | 18:33 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: with first (still buggy) prototypes to show off coming up end of this year maybe | 18:33 |
| jonwil | At this point I think the 5 closed packages likely to cause us the most headaches are pulseaudio-module-nokia-voice, policy-settings-rx51, mce, libsim0 and location-daemon with honorable mention to location-proxy, csd-call and csd-sms | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: you got no GTA04? | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: sounds about right | 18:37 |
| Humpelstilzchen | is location-daemon needed for anything but nokia maps? | 18:38 |
| jonwil | its needed for all GPS apps | 18:38 |
| jonwil | i.e. anything that talks GPS | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe list them on a wiki page as section headlines, discussing in each section the way this "system" is entangled into fremantle, how it gets involved into Neo900 changes, and the impact it has when we won't tackle/fix it for Neo900 | 18:39 |
| Humpelstilzchen | but the other programms could be ported to gpsd.. | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gypsy | 18:40 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: nope, just GTA02 | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I elaborated on GPS somewhere | 18:41 |
| dos1 | I can buy one 700 EUR phone if I really want to, but two of them is a bit too much :D | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just wondering who's available for testing fremantle ports to GTA04 platform | 18:43 |
| cehteh | methinks 700eur is already far to much for what one gets :/ | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that it gives us much of new knowledge | 18:44 |
| cehteh | anyway kudos to the project but i am out there, unless the price substantially drops | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: well, that's your mileage | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: alas price won't drop | 18:45 |
| cehteh | too bad | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless some chip and PCB manufs decide to give us stuff for free or at least at a pricetag they offer to customers buying 1000000 | 18:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or HEY, until WE buy 1000000 | 18:46 |
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| cehteh | i wonder if you should approach other projects who have better connections, olpc, raspberry pi foundation etc | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody has | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless they have exactly same BOM as we do | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they as well would need to buy 200 units DM3730 SoC | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and they usually don't get the discount they got for that other chip they bought 1 mio | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when they buy only 200 | 18:49 |
| cehteh | i know | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it makes no difference | 18:49 |
| cehteh | do you have some supply for case/screen meanwhile .. i think a lot cases/screens are aging and detorating | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, there's fleabay. We got no "better" source yet | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | case (strictly the shell only, incl keymat) is ~17EUR | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LCD is ~23 | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can get all sorts of combinations, like slide mech with FPC (ribbon) and LCD | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh we only did a cursory scan for all that stuff so far | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure getting a used (broken?) N900 and swap the MoBo is the better alternative for our customers. But many don't want to do this | 18:54 |
| brolin_empey | freemangordon: Pali: Any news regarding my 2 kernel-power patches? | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fun detail: often the combi is cheaper than one of the parts it contains | 18:56 |
| Pali | brolin_empey: sorry did not have time :-( now we have problem with someone on LKML | 18:57 |
| dion_ | I think that until it became 100% working nobody will break working phone | 18:57 |
| Pali | brolin_empey: but I got another patch from pavel for kernel-power | 18:57 |
| Pali | so I will test both | 18:57 |
| cehteh | so .. just glued the small metall plate which holds the standup against the magnet back into place ... grr .. but at least it didnt got lost when it came loose | 18:59 |
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| cehteh | btw are there any more specs about the jolla phone out yet? | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jolla is not GolDeliCo ;-) | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's commercial as in: build product, sell product with a crippled list of fuzzy specs, get the money, eventually disclose the docs | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GolDeliCo does: publish the docs, publish the specs based on docs, get the money, sell the product ;-) | 19:06 |
| kerio | mmh | 19:06 |
| kerio | so far, hasn't it been "promise product with crippled list of fuzzy specs, get the money"? | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I don't count any "promise" as anything relevant | 19:07 |
| kerio | so it's just "get the money" for now | 19:07 |
| kerio | no actual product yet | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, you're right, that's state of things with jolla | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (<kerio> no actual product yet) ooh, I git a fine t-shirt for 100EUR ;-P | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | got* | 19:10 |
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| kerio | did you actually get it? | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I will claim I never did, since then I'm still waiting for Jolla to deliver, and I can step down from the contract | 19:11 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: Which problem with whom on (the) LKML? | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for full refund | 19:11 |
| kerio | so you're cheating them off the tshirt! :C | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OMG | 19:12 |
| Pali | brolin_empey: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/9/8/33 | 19:12 |
| kerio | is it good quality at least? | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only when they try to cheat me off my 100EUR | 19:12 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: And which Pavel? PaulFertser? | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, prolly not | 19:13 |
| Pali | no Pavel Machek | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | it is a nice read :) | 19:13 |
| Pali | https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/9/18/46 | 19:14 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: If you lack time, maybe you need to include time.h ? ;-) | 19:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/9/18/46 | 19:19 |
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| SAiF | memory automatically changes to readonly.? | 19:36 |
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| SAiF | Doc: | 19:40 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: so what to do with that idiot? | 19:50 |
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| Pali | if somebody is unable to find one line patch in email.... | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | Pali: I tink his point is that it belongs to a different patch. Not that he is not arrogant | 19:51 |
| SAiF | hmm, MyDocs get readonly automaticaly, what could be causing this? | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: stay cool | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: your last post been the right answer | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "... or explain why" | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bitching at those guys reproducibly doesn't help | 19:58 |
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| SAiF | hmm | 20:00 |
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| NIN101 | SAiF: for a start, take a look at dmesg for some hints. | 20:04 |
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| SAiF | it even shows up after a delay while startup | 20:07 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: how's /. story going on? when should I be prepared to defend the server with my own body? (or at least get some popcorn for watching logs with logstalgia?) :) | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stalled, no mail to improve on and forward to GeneralAntilles to even further improve it | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GA asked for a mail that tells him what sory we want to transport | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | story even | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm poor at sketching stories | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sth like "after Nokia hit the sack, and OM Inc. went oblivion long ago, now after the failing big5's efforts with spyFone8, buntkuh-edge, whatnot else, finally the still vivid Openmoko community and there particularly GolDeliCo joined forces with the orphaned maemo community to make a dream come true, the painfully missed successor of N900 and same time the nextgen device to GTA02/04"... blabla | 23:57 |
| r00t|home | is that neo900 seriously going to happen? | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure as hell we will try to make it happen | 23:59 |
| Sysaxed | r00t|home: even if not, let me us dream! | 23:59 |
| Sysaxed | -me* | 23:59 |
| r00t|home | heh | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 23:59 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: Is there any way to help? | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~neo900 | 23:59 |
| infobot | somebody said neo900 was at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/ | 23:59 |
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