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brolin_empeyDoes anyone here use the BlackBerry 10 OS?02:19
brolin_empeyGeneralAntilles: Do you personally use it?02:20
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GeneralAntillesbrolin_empey, yeah, Z10 is my primary device right now.02:24
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brolin_empeyGeneralAntilles: I am interested in the BlacKBerry Q10 because I want an integrated hardware keyboard.  I guess the BlackBerry 10 OS is the same on the Z10 as on the Q10, though?02:28
brolin_empeyGeneralAntilles: What do you think of the BlackBerry 10 OS?  Is it suitable for hackers?  Is it friendly to Free/libre Software?  Does it have external USB Host capability?02:32
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GeneralAntillesIt's not Fremantle or Harmattan.02:35
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GeneralAntillesIt's a nice substitute if hacking isn't a requirement02:35
GeneralAntillesBut it's not a mobile computer.02:35
brolin_empeyGeneralAntilles: Can I use a Command-Line Interface on the BlackBerry 10 OS?02:35
GeneralAntillesSSH is mostly available02:35
GeneralAntillesBut local term is not.02:35
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brolin_empeyGeneralAntilles: SSH client and server?02:48
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GeneralAntillesbrolin_empey, Android player apps.02:56
GeneralAntillesFor client02:56
GeneralAntillesHaven't seen a server.02:56
M4rtinKthe QNX shell is also VERY limited02:59
M4rtinKonly bare POSIX requirements I guess02:59
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M4rtinKBTW, new modRana version is out ! :)03:27
M4rtinKfor more info see:
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DrCodehi al04:41
DrCodehow can I install backupmenu?04:41
DrCodeI want to backup my phone before I send it to repair, so I can restore it back easly04:42
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robbiethe1stapt-get install backupmenu?04:44
robbiethe1stIt's in the repo04:45
DrCodeI tryeid04:45
DrCodeI have cssu04:46
DrCodeit can't find it04:46
robbiethe1stDoes cssu disable the regular extras-testing repo?04:47
robbiethe1stalso, send it in for repair?04:47
robbiethe1stto who?04:48
robbiethe1stand what's wrong with it?04:48
DocScrutinizer05kow's about apt-get update ?04:52
robbiethe1stI know Nokia doesn't repair N900s anymore, usually... they'll give you a newer replacement phone, last I knew.04:52
DrCodeits not nokia , its a chaines like04:52
DrCodethats what thay said04:52
DrCodebcz that I need to backu pmy phone04:53
DrCodeany idea? can I install it manualy?04:53
robbiethe1stSo, make sure the repo is installed, and try apt-get install backupmenu04:53
robbiethe1strepo list is in /etc/apt/sources*.list files04:54
DrCodewhat do I need to add there?04:54
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robbiethe1stUm, what do you have in it?04:54
DrCodeI don't have myphone near05:00
DrCodewhat repos is recommanded to use?05:00
robbiethe1stUm, I know backupmenu is in extras-devel, pretty sure it's in extras-testing05:02
DrCodeis it recommanded to use cssu?05:02
robbiethe1stUh, I don't know.05:03
DrCodemybe  I am doing somthing wrong05:03
robbiethe1stRecommended by whom?05:03
robbiethe1stCssu is the community improved version of maemo 505:03
robbiethe1stI haven't used it myself, but I know a number of people who use cssu with backupmenu; backupmenu works at a very low level05:03
DrCodeI will check it, mybe I have install wrong cssu05:05
DocScrutinizer05apt-get update05:07
DocScrutinizer05actually, install extras-devel05:08
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DocScrutinizer05click on installfile in browser05:08
DocScrutinizer05e.g. this one:
DocScrutinizer05editing the files is a poor idea05:10
DocScrutinizer05but if you absolutely want to do it:  and
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how you could install wrong CSSU05:13
ds_shadofhow to make pidgin not to open instantly new messages when they arrive?05:36
KilrooI feel like I've gone from depressingly few options to too many in short order.05:42
KilrooBefore, I was frustrated with how few options seemed worth getting to replace my n900 and with how dated it was starting to feel. Now, I'm excited about the Jolla, excited about the Neo900, and somehow I've become more tempted than I ever was before to try out an N10.05:44
Kilroo...Possibly due to discovering that during the time I've been considering it not to be an option the price for an n9 has like...thirded.05:44
KilrooI'm still a little hesitant about a capacitive screen on a phone, though.05:45
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jonwilhmmm, where would be the best place to put Neo900 wiki pages and info?06:51
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KilrooMy mother knew a couple guys when she was young named John and Bill Will.06:59
KilrooHowever, while your screenname reminded me of that fact, I have no useful answer to your question.06:59
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DrCodehow can I had .install from command line?07:11
DrCodeI mean from terminal07:11
Wulfeseems the news on your guys project is spreading07:16
DrCodecan I had .install file from commande line?07:16
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KilrooI'm mildly amused by the reddit comment about DOA with only 512 RAM.07:42
KilrooIf it were meant to be an iPhone-killer, or even an Android mid-market competitor, I'd agree, but as I understand it the Neo900 isn't really trying to make a commercial killing. It's trying to give a certain subset of diehard openmoko and n900 fans something enough better to be worth them, not to the general public.07:45
KilrooAnyhow, I'm off to bed. Sleepy enough I'll start (keep) rambling pointlessly otherwise.07:46
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DrCodeI have send my phone back10:08
DrCodeI alredy missing my n90010:08
keriomaemo fremantle with 512mb of ram is going to be so fucking good10:08
DrCodewhen I get a new phone , should I use orginal flash? or better to install global flash (is there hebrew support?)10:09
DrCodewhat repostory should I have in /etc/apt/sourcer.list.d/?10:09
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kerioalways use global10:15
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DocScrutinizer05Kilroo: absolutely11:38
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DocScrutinizer05Kilroo: some (reddit) comments are DOA, commenting and arguing about stuff that already been *) discussed *) explained *) even altered sometimes11:40
DocScrutinizer05maybe I should change the specs from "min 512MB RAM" to "min 4Mb RAM" ;-P11:42
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: silly idea: extra ram as mmc, for swap11:44
dos11DocScrutinizer05: I suppose you meant 4Gb :)11:44
ShadowJKkerio, that seems silly11:44
kerioi know11:44
keriowell, silly in what way?11:45
ShadowJKUnless you mean circumventing the max ram size limit (and availability) of omap3 by creating a new peripheral which contains ram and talks through sd/mmc11:45
DocScrutinizer05kerio: yeah11:45
kerioShadowJK: i mean that11:45
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ShadowJKOh I thought you meant swap on ramdisk.11:45
kerio512mb of real ram, and then some more ram11:46
kerioit's going to be slower, but it's going to be used as swap anyway11:46
DocScrutinizer05kerio: PLEASE!!! read the thread, it's exactly what I wrote there, even pointed to chips' datasheets which I am about to evaluate11:46
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ShadowJKWould love ram-on-SD, for my N800.11:46
dos1kerio: isn't that what is already proposed? (damn, too slow :P)11:46
DocScrutinizer05kerio: also, figure Fremantle on 512MB RAM backed up by 1GB NAND11:47
kerio1gb nand for... rootfs?11:48
dos1for swap11:48
kerio...but we don't need to store the swap :s11:48
keriolike, long-term storage11:48
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DocScrutinizer05i'm *constantly* improving, beautifying and augmenting the post#1 on11:49
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DocScrutinizer05it's maybe worth having a new look at it every now and then11:50
DocScrutinizer05a lot of embedded links to other posts in thread11:50
kerioHDMI on dual-purpose USB receptacle11:50
kerioooh, how does that work?11:50
kerioi mean in general11:50
DocScrutinizer05OMAP3 doesn't support HDMI11:51
DocScrutinizer0510pin USB11:51
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DocScrutinizer05it has 5 additional pins at a location that doesn't interfere with "normal2 plugs11:52
kerioyeah, i saw pics11:52
keriois that doable with microusb too?11:52
DocScrutinizer05it's reality it seems11:52
divVerentstupid question... is RAM still so expensive? As in, why do even today mobile phones with Android get shipped with as little as 256M?11:52
divVerent(the cheap ones do)11:53
DocScrutinizer05anyway I don't like the idea too much11:53
divVerentwhat does 1G cost in the typical form you need for a mobile device?11:53
kerio$very_little * 500000 is still a lot11:53
dos1divVerent: embedded systems aren't like PCs, there's no RAM slot on them11:53
DocScrutinizer05point me to a chip and i tell you ;-P11:53
divVerentor maybe... do you know price diff between the 256M the N900 uses and the 512M the new one will be using?11:53
divVerentkerio: sure, but I bet most people would pay the extra $10 if it's around that11:54
keriowhen you're doing big productions (and you *are* doing big productions) even a tiny cost per-chip becomes huge in the end11:54
dos1divVerent: RAM is integrated together with CPU and GPU cores in PoP11:54
DocScrutinizer05see and digikey11:54
divVerente.g. $10 extra for having Android 4 instead of 2.3... that sounds cheap :P11:54
divVerentdos1: ah, ok11:54
divVerentso more RAM may mean you can't have the same CPU and GPU any more... then driver mess11:54
divVerentif they're integrated11:55
DocScrutinizer05there ARe NO PoPs available with 1GB RAM11:55
dos1there are of course some variants you can choose from11:55
divVerentstill, swap on SD is just a stupid idea... we need something better. SOMETHING.11:55
dos1but for our DM3730 there is no 1GB option11:55
divVerentare there SD cards that are actually RAM, and thus very fast at single block access?11:56
dos1memory controller supports max 512MB11:56
DocScrutinizer05only inside N9, on a PoP chips that simply DOES NOT EXIST according to aunt google11:56
DocScrutinizer05so how much will that chip cost? ;-P11:56
DocScrutinizer05dos1: we have 2 chips select11:56
divVerentyes, I see, hardware dependency hell... :)11:56
divVerentDLLs in IC form11:57
DocScrutinizer05so a 3chip PoP MCP is feasible11:57
kerioDocScrutinizer05: buy n9, desolder PoP, ???, profit!11:57
ShadowJKN900 was designed with the biggest ram available at the time it was designed, afaik11:57
kerioand by profit i mean ridiculous expenses11:57
divVerentyes, I understand now why they couldn't "just make a 512M version" :)11:57
DocScrutinizer05kerio: believe it or not, exactly that I posted yesterday11:57
* ShadowJK wonders what's used on beagleboard xm, and whether it's relevant11:57
dos1divVerent: the idea for Neo900 is to use aditional RAM connected as MMC, or some other data interface11:57
kerioDocScrutinizer05: that's silly :s11:57
XATRIXHi, any idea why my calendar double,or triple my dates ? I mean i have 2 appointments or 3 or 4 of birthday of my friend on a current date11:57
kerioa whole N9 is bound to cost a lot more11:57
kerioXATRIX: are you syncing your calendar somehow?11:58
DocScrutinizer05kerio: not entirely, they are avaolable at as little as 130EUR11:58
ShadowJKoh wait, only .5 gig. I thought it was 1g11:58
XATRIXkerio: possibly with Nokia Suite11:58
XATRIXBut i have multiple IM accounts11:58
dos1let's create our own PoP! ;)11:58
XATRIXCurrently i have 2 birthday of the same guy for this day11:58
XATRIXAnd sounds if i only have this contact in skype account11:59
DocScrutinizer05dos1: even that been considered by me already :-)11:59
DocScrutinizer05piggyback PCB for on top of CPU11:59
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DocScrutinizer05make my own MCP12:00
XATRIXAny idea how to fix it ?12:00
DocScrutinizer05PbP, Package by Package12:00
dos1but then there's still 1GB limit. It's not future proof!12:00
dos1let's create our own CPU :)12:00
DocScrutinizer05OMAP7 with OMAP3 compatibility mode, yeah12:01
keriolet's build our own omap712:01
keriowith an omap4 and an omap312:01
XATRIXx86_64 ;)12:02
XATRIXIntel atom is already in lenovo K90012:02
XATRIXuse the same ;)12:02
DocScrutinizer05dos1: I'm honestly considering to ask for closing the Neo900 thread, it is at a point of spinning in circles12:03
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DocScrutinizer05I could answer each single new post with a link to a previous post and my answer given there12:04
dos1yeah, noticed that too12:04
DocScrutinizer05this is when threads go supernova into oblivion and noise12:05
Apic.oO(One Device to rule them all, One Device to find them, One Device to bring them all and in the Darkness bind them.)12:05
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: am I allowed to moderate my own thread?12:06
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: hence why i never could moderate it; too much noise in there... best thing is to keep things updated on a wiki page and let people read from there via the OP of your thread...12:06
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: scrap that, I don't want to12:06
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: my first post (aka #1) *is* constantly kept up to date12:07
thedead1440yup saw that12:07
DocScrutinizer05what's not in there won't be any better kept on a wiki12:08
thedead1440if the thread is closed you won't be able to update that post too unless you got privs to do it12:08
DocScrutinizer05I got enough privs since last weekend ;-)12:08
DocScrutinizer05I#m just totally reluctant to use them12:09
thedead1440then close it and just update first post but risk the thread not being able to grab people's attention anymore once closed :D12:09
DocScrutinizer05I already asked users to delete their posts, in PM12:09
DocScrutinizer05or edit and strip [quotes]12:10
thedead1440you have the privs to do that yourself then use it why bother PM'ng them... edit their post and leave a note (reason for editing) so they would know why it was edited12:10
DocScrutinizer05but I can't do that on SOOO many of new posts that ask same question the 100th time, even on stuff that's CLEARLY written in post#112:10
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: see above. I'm no mod12:11
DocScrutinizer05I'm admin°Hsysop12:11
* thedead1440 imagines doc becoming mod; all hell would break loose :p :D12:12
DocScrutinizer05GOD when I start moderating tmo, the users kill their PC12:12
DocScrutinizer05and e*_ will kill me ;-P12:12
DocScrutinizer05couldn't even blame him12:13
thedead1440he would end up starting his own forum as he always threatens to :D12:13
DocScrutinizer05it was an evil powergrabbing if I did12:13
DocScrutinizer05happy birthd^Hcondolences USA12:14
DocScrutinizer05must've been around that very time of day, eh?12:15
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: I wouldn't mind *you* ruthlessly moderating the Neo900 thread12:18
DocScrutinizer05(editing oter users' posts) don't ask me how many times I already clicked "edit2 instead of "quote" ;-P12:19
ApicIn Europe, 911 is 112.12:19
Apic(The Phone Number ;-))12:19
DocScrutinizer05no, 9-1112:19
ApicI know12:19
ApicJust hoarsed around.12:19
DocScrutinizer05sure, I know12:19
jonwilI think we need a Neo900 wiki post, particularly to discuss the software stuff12:19
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: ORLY? ;-D12:20
DocScrutinizer05and I think I pushed several times on IRC as well12:21
DocScrutinizer05please consider a strcture like t.m.o/Neo900/software/OS/TFPT/CSD/dbus-api12:22
DocScrutinizer05we can "mv" up later on, like mv OS/TFPT/* /OS/12:23
DocScrutinizer05the other way round is magnitudes harder12:24
DocScrutinizer05have to run, sorry12:24
thedead1440freemangordon_: at your convenience you may want to look at this:
* ShadowJK has been reading up and learning about the wonders of systemd12:28
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DrCodehi all12:43
DrCodehi DocScrutinizer0512:43
DrCodewhat repostory should I use12:43
DrCodeI think I got lost12:44
DrCodeany one can please pastbin /etc/apt/sources.list.d/12:44
DrCodealso what flash to put ? dose global have hebrew ?12:44
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divVerentBTW, just to put that right... I know Maemo would run very well with 512M.12:57
divVerentGiven how it runs on the N900, and my typical swap use.12:57
divVerentI probably wouldn't need any swap if I had 300M... but 256 is just a tad too low12:58
divVerentI didn't say 512M weren12:58
divVerent't enough, just wondered why one would still build ANY device nowadays with that little RAM. Now I know.12:58
keriowell the iphone 5s is 64-bit12:59
kerioi assume it's because they need more than 4gb of ram12:59
M4rtinKeven if you don't have >4GB of RAM, there are some benefits13:01
M4rtinKfor address space randomization for example13:01
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DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: wonders of systemd?13:02
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DocScrutinizer51if you can't randomize addr-level in 4GB then you failed anyway13:04
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infobotSince Sat Sep  7 18:52:03 2013, there have been 3 modifications, 152 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 54 commands.  I have been awake for 3d 15h 13m 43s this session, and currently reference 119129 factoids.  I'm using about 23832 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 663.4/12.08 child 0/013:05
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DrCodehi DocScrutinizer0513:08
DrCodeI send my n900 and wait for new one13:08
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DrCodeis it recommanded to use factory flash or better to install new one? I had mass up with sources.list any one can past recommanded one?13:09
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divVerentDrCode: you shouldn't mess with sources.list...13:26
divVerentbut in case you did, Hildon Application Manager will restore it for you when you start it and edit sources in there13:26
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DocScrutinizer05DrCode: click on
DrCodeDocScrutinizer05, I can delete the old repostory and use this?14:03
DocScrutinizer05then in HildonApplicationManager open menu -> catalogs, click on each catalog that shows up there, and make sure you click "disable" for testing, and for tools, and for any double cataloh you may have14:03
DocScrutinizer05you can evem delete catalogs you don't need14:03
DrCodewhat flash do U recommanded to install?14:04
DrCodeto use factory flash or install by my self?14:04
DocScrutinizer05particularly testing, tools, and doublicates14:04
DocScrutinizer05for backups you must use a micro-SD card, or store the backup to "N900" internal flash (eMMC, aka /MyDocs) and then backup/copy the complete MyDocs volume to your PC via USB mass storage14:06
DrCodeI will have new phone, I don't mind to reflash it14:07
DocScrutinizer05the latter you want to do anyway, if you got any media files, photos or other stuff stored there14:07
DrCodeif I want to have hebrew , is it recommanded global flash?14:07
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure about that, ask somebody who uses hebrew14:07
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: ^^^14:07
DocScrutinizer05I think hebrew is comprised in global firmware version14:08
DrCodeis it recommanded to use global firmware?14:09
DrCodewhat steps is recommanded to reflash firmware14:10
DrCodeIts a new n900 , so I don't have a problem to do it14:10
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infobotwell, maemo-flashing is
DocScrutinizer05since it's new, a full reflash (COMBINED and VANILLA) is recommended16:38
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DocScrutinizer05if the device still boots fine (and you don't expect malware on rootfs that tampers with flashing mydocs data), you want to flash VANILLA, then COMBINED. If device doesn't boot or you want to make 100% sure it's clean, then: COMBINED, then VANNILLA, then COMBINED again16:40
DocScrutinizer05if you suspect NOLO bootloader got compromised (*very* unlikely thing), then you might need to coldflash even16:42
DocScrutinizer05there *are* users who patched their NOLO to not show the "NOKIA" screen obn boot16:43
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: there *are* users who patched their NOLO to not show the "NOKIA" screen on boot16:43
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mashinanokia could have used uboot but #NOLO16:52
ApicCould have had...16:53
DocScrutinizer05[general notice] due to autobuilder hiccup I had to stop the VM -
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DocScrutinizer05afk for ~3h17:01
RST38hOMG, elliptic curve cryptography is said to be backdoored by NSA17:01
DocScrutinizer05ping xes or warfare regarding autobuilder resume17:01
DocScrutinizer05how? where?17:01
DocScrutinizer05thanks :-S17:06
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SAiFrobbiethe1st: thanks... installing backupmenu succeeded for the first time. and It works. Thanks.19:27
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DocScrutinizer05[general notice] autobuilder fixed and resumed19:29 shows security warning.. just that you know..19:32
SAiFin firefox..19:33
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dos1fun stuff goes to crowdfounding campains19:44
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dos1smells like "give us the money and then we'll find if it's even possible at all" ;]19:44
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DocScrutinizer05"give us your money and then we'll find a place where *you* won't find _us_ anymore"19:57
DocScrutinizer05damn fools19:58
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DocScrutinizer05dos1: the problem with such stuff: clueless noobs "buy" the idea, since to them it sounds reasonable20:03
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DocScrutinizer05then when somebody who actually *knows* his shit and *did* build real hardware comes to them, they go "but why doesn't it have 96GB of RAM and octocore? and BLOCs???"20:04
DocScrutinizer05RLY!! BLOCs are *the* hot shit now! where you been living? Are you a real engineer??20:05
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DocScrutinizer05**MY ASS!!**20:07
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DocScrutinizer05for some reality check: a Lauterbach ICE probe which basically is a 7cm of multicore cable capable of 500MHz+, with a tiny matching spec'ed connector at one end and a not so tiny one at the other end: 250EUR20:09
DocScrutinizer05this is a *cable* with two *connectors*20:10
DocScrutinizer05doing same stuff on a PCB costs me ~80ct20:10
DocScrutinizer05if at all20:10
keriowtf is a BLOC20:12
DocScrutinizer05some fairyware20:13
DocScrutinizer05or - in short and to the point: a brainfart20:14
keriothat phone must be so comfortable in your pocket20:14
kerioalso, it'll never break20:14
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DocScrutinizer05...since it never started to work ;-P20:15
kerioclearly, a cpu only needs 4 pins20:16
kerioit's good enough for usb, after all20:16
DocScrutinizer05a big hoax20:16
keriowill the neo900 have 5ghz wifi?20:17
DocScrutinizer05check our gta0420:17
keriothe ipad has 5ghz wifi20:17
DocScrutinizer05we hardly will find a new WiFi module20:17
dos1at first glance on first miliseconds i thought you asked about 5ghz cpu20:17
DocScrutinizer05dos1: same here ;-P20:18
dos1yeah, 5ghz cpu seems like nice idea to consider :)20:18
DocScrutinizer05kerio: wifi is nasty20:18
DocScrutinizer05most chipsets are not built for embedded at all20:18
DocScrutinizer05the few that are are usually not anything you could call "open", usually not even *available* in sub-million qty20:19
FIQ<dos1> at first glance on first miliseconds i thought you asked about 5ghz cpu20:19
FIQsame :D20:19
jonwilIIRC even olpc had lots of trouble finding a suitable wifi chipset20:19
FIQnot that I would *mind* 5ghz cpu, but.. yeah20:19
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: ack20:20
kerioa 5ghz cpu would make me care a lot less about the lack of 5ghz wifi20:20
FIQkerio: :P20:21
keriobut there's overclock for that, right?20:21
DocScrutinizer05royalties, NDAs, shitty performance, 5 mio minimum batch20:21
DocScrutinizer05e.g we would *love* to use WL1271, like on N920:22
dos1let's do kickstarter for buying 5 mio wifi chipsets20:22
dos1every baker will get their own wifi chipset as a gift20:22
dos1or maybe thousands of them20:22
dos1and we'll use the rest20:22
DocScrutinizer05try to get *datasheets* of WL1271. Try to find sources (to buy from)20:23
DocScrutinizer05we can use crap that has executable blobs in userspace. Then we get the bashing, then the death of project since it has nothing to offer in the end, not even openness20:24
keriowill the neo900 offer optional liquid nitrogen cooling, for our overclocking needs?20:27
dos1sure, why not20:27
jonwilSeems like getting anyone to talk to you about anything embedded (WiFi, bluetooth, ARM SoC with decent GPU,GSM/UMTS/LTE chips and other things) is almost impossible unless you are a known name and can commit to buying massive numbers of chips up front.20:28
keriowhy would a production facility build 5000 units for you when they can get more money by building 5000000 units for samsung?20:30
DocScrutinizer05nonsesne, it will work with supraconductors at room temperature, and quantum gates. It doesn't need energy to operate, basically. Only energy needed is to delete storage20:31
keriojust put in a lot of memory, no need to delete anything!20:31
kerioit's brilliant!20:31
DocScrutinizer05see entropy energy equivalent of bit20:31
dos1I'd put liquid nitrogen cooling anyway20:32
dos1cause liquid nitrogen cooling is cool20:32
DocScrutinizer05and nice for longdrinks20:33
kerioeeh, it makes it so that you have to wait to drink them20:34
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jonwilUnless these parts (SoCs, WiFi chips etc etc etc) are somehow different for each customer then the factory wont care if they are producing 5000000 units for customer x or 5005000 units for customer x and customer y (yes there might be a higher per-unit cost to deliver 5000 units as opposed to 5000000 units but they can charge more per unit to make up for the higher cost)20:36
keriothe whole point is that we want different parts20:36
kerioisn't it20:36
kerioalso there's NDAs and shit20:37
dos1broken phone which i bought to use as a bl-5j charger has some problem with screen - it shows only colorful stripes20:37
kerioso you might not be able to get the same parts20:37
dos1but when i put a pressure in top right corner, it show's distorted Nokia logo :D20:37
keriodos1: awesome20:37
keriojust put a clothespin there20:37
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dos1I haven't managed to see anything else than heaviliy distorted blue Nokia logo on white background20:38
dos1oh, stupid me - probably that's what is shows while charging from off20:39
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spaakhi, i'm trying to get an xml file to work with Aard Dict. the script to convert to .aar format needs to go in /bin/bash but the folder is not there that i see. can this work on the n900? ->
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lexikanother extras devel web assistant error: "File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!" :-/ i will try to upload it via scp...20:54
sixwheeledbeastspaak:  er? you can get bash for N900 from the repos. Or if busybox has all the functions you require change the shebang to /bin/sh. It shouldn't need to go in root.20:55
DocScrutinizer05dos1: evidently some contact problem with FPC or LCD(-controller)20:55
sixwheeledbeastlexik: what do the builder logs say?20:55
* DocScrutinizer05 curses this builder POS20:57
lexiksixwheeledbeast: where them are located? i cant upload the .tar.gz and .dsc files.. same error in Chromium, Chrome and Iceweasel20:58
sixwheeledbeastdoesn't it give you a link to the logs on build, let me see....20:58
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M4rtinKI'll just note new modRana is out :)21:00
M4rtinKI've actually already announced it here, but it was at 2:30 in the morning in Europe, so some might have missed it :)21:00
spaaksixwheeledbeast: thanks, found it. will install bash421:02
sixwheeledbeastwtf it's like the stylesheets are missing on the assistant page.21:02
sixwheeledbeastlexik: does the web assistant page look correct to you?21:03
lexiksixwheeledbeast: here is an screenshot of it:
sixwheeledbeastyep same here21:03
lexikin iceweasel it looks much better, dont know why21:04
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sixwheeledbeastlexik: it's the browser.21:05
sixwheeledbeastOn latest firefox you now have to allow every page each time. It's blocking content due to expired https I guess.21:07
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sixwheeledbeastcan you test again?21:08
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sixwheeledbeastYep definitely browser blocking parts of the website. CSS files and scripts are still blocked on firefox after the "Untrusted Connection" page. You have to click on the identity box and unblock for every page every time PITA.21:15
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lexiksixwheeledbeast: ok, "design" issue solved but "File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!" error not.21:40
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dos1lexik: hi21:56
lexikdos1: hi21:56
dos1did you have some problem with ftp upload, or just haven't done it yet?21:56
lexikno problem with ftp, just a little problem with photoshop :)21:57
dos1ok then :)21:57
lexikit's on my side :)21:57
lexikdos1: i was talking here about Neo900 logo competition, can you please create new dir on (photos/logos/)? I will create thread on TMO, if you want..22:00
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lexikdos1; DocScrutinizer05: i'm creating the thread about proposals for the logo of Neo900, what should be the deadline? (because of voting..)22:19
dos1there's no real need to hurry IMO22:20
zammythe tecnology competition is cruel22:20
zammywe must hurry22:20
lexikdos1: no need for hurry but i want to motivate users :D The deadline always can be extended22:23
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dos1lexik: censoring nokia on your photo right now, should be on the page today :)23:07
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marcdeopI'm facing a problem trying to install syncevolution23:25
marcdeoplibpcre3 (>= 6.7-1osso1+r1) but it is not installable23:25
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lexikdos1: good :)23:33
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dos1 - now with our own N900 photo23:55
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