| Wizzup | but exciting! | 00:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | What kernel is it going to run? If I understood this correctly, it's supposed to run fremantle. Which is a bit of joke. The distro is ancient! | 00:02 |
| Wizzup | it will have a recent kernel. | 00:02 |
| dos1 | Shapeshifter: it's supposed to run any free distro you want | 00:02 |
| Wizzup | perhaps read more and less sceptisism | 00:02 |
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| dos1 | QtMoko, SHR, Debian - compatibility from day 0, as they already work on GTA04 | 00:02 |
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| Shapeshifter | Aha. | 00:03 |
| dos1 | and there will be Fremantle port | 00:03 |
| Shapeshifter | I wonder if it could run sailfish | 00:03 |
| dos1 | which I hope will bring some new life into replacing closed blobs effort | 00:04 |
| dos1 | so in long run Fremantle will be able to get some modern, free grounds | 00:04 |
| Shapeshifter | jeez 700 euros is steep though. | 00:04 |
| Shapeshifter | but I suppose it's fair in case it actually lives up. | 00:05 |
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| dos1 | yeah, you can't go cheaper with such low production runs | 00:06 |
| dos1 | we hope for something about 200-300 orders | 00:06 |
| bennypr0fane | make an estimate: how long does it take for N900 (thumbed, not overclocked), to copy a total of 1650 mp3 files, total size: 12,5GB, from a normal-speed microSDcard to its flash memory? | 00:06 |
| dos1 | if there will be more zeros at the end, it will be much cheaper ;) | 00:07 |
| Wizzup | bennypr0fane: the only real thing that matters is microsd card read speed and flash-memory write speed. | 00:08 |
| bennypr0fane | Wizzup, what about ram? | 00:08 |
| Wizzup | why would it matter | 00:08 |
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| wmarone | RAM won't help in that situation, Wizzup already noted the primary bottlenecks | 00:09 |
| bennypr0fane | because there'll be a lot of shovelling going on there, no? | 00:09 |
| ShadowJK | In the default config: ages | 00:09 |
| Wizzup | I would just leave the music on the microsd card, btw. | 00:09 |
| Wizzup | Save both size and your expensive mmc | 00:09 |
| bennypr0fane | the MicroSD is class 4 | 00:09 |
| Wizzup | yeah, they are fast enough to read from in mediaplayer | 00:09 |
| Wizzup | don't waste mmc on it | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | on my N900: less than 40 minutes | 00:10 |
| bennypr0fane | ShadowJK, um, what? | 00:10 |
| bennypr0fane | no way | 00:10 |
| Shapeshifter | dos1: The GTA04 board looks very different from an N900 board. Who's designing the layout? | 00:11 |
| dos1 | Shapeshifter: Golden Delicious, probably together with DocScrutinizer05 :P | 00:11 |
| bennypr0fane | actually, I wanted to transfer the files from one sdcard to another one I meant to put in N900, just using N900 as the computer for this operation | 00:11 |
| quackquack1 | which gsm module? | 00:12 |
| quackquack1 | and is the gsm stack open? | 00:12 |
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| dos1 | quackquack1: Option, as mentioned in the post | 00:13 |
| dos1 | used stack will probably be FSO (freesmartphone.org), as it already works nicely on GTA04 | 00:13 |
| dos1 | and it's free | 00:13 |
| dos1 | as the name suggests ;) | 00:13 |
| quackquack1 | cool | 00:13 |
| bennypr0fane | anyway, I started the operation around 4:30 before going to school. Now I'm back, it's a little 11:00, and it still ain't done (~1250 of 1650) | 00:14 |
| quackquack1 | and chipset? i havent looked into the project. | 00:14 |
| dos1 | for Fremantle port we'll have to RE dbus interfaces of currect maemos CSD, to implement some CSD-FSO bridge | 00:14 |
| dos1 | ~neo900 | 00:14 |
| infobot | well, neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 00:14 |
| bennypr0fane | ...and it just flunked out with an error | 00:14 |
| dos1 | or http://neo900.org/ | 00:14 |
| quackquack1 | one moment | 00:15 |
| bennypr0fane | and here I was thinking It'd be done by the first break | 00:15 |
| * quackquack1 gets ready to prebook | 00:16 | |
| quackquack1 | advance booking please. xD | 00:16 |
| dos1 | buyers patience is adviced :) | 00:17 |
| quackquack1 | okay | 00:17 |
| * quackquack1 takes the chill pill | 00:17 | |
| quackquack1 | by the way can we write our own x-loader? | 00:18 |
| dos1 | we'll probably go with some crowdfunding soon, to pay for prototypes | 00:18 |
| quackquack1 | i mean i am planning to port coreboot to n900. | 00:18 |
| quackquack1 | so if there is any need for porting coreboot to this device? count me in. | 00:18 |
| dos1 | quackquack1: of course you can, bootloader is easily replacable | 00:19 |
| quackquack1 | dos1, not the x-loader but coreboot from www.coreboot.org | 00:19 |
| dos1 | stuff like that won't differ from GTA04, which except GPU acceleration and WiFi firmware is 100% free | 00:20 |
| quackquack1 | afaik its non HS chipset | 00:21 |
| quackquack1 | in GTA04 am i right? | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | bennypr0fane; tested with 2 gigs of mp3s (dont have more free space), and it looks more like 60m for me | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | (for 12.5g) | 00:21 |
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| quackquack1 | if the BL1 (boot loader 1 st stage) is not encrypted then we can very well port coreboot as initial bootloader, dos1 | 00:22 |
| dos1 | quackquack1: everything in GTA04 is unlocked, so I guess it's not HS - it would be pretty pointless :P | 00:22 |
| quackquack1 | cool then | 00:22 |
| quackquack1 | i will download the document and start working. | 00:23 |
| Shapeshifter | dos1: is there no free wifi chip out there? | 00:29 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm not surprised about the GPU | 00:29 |
| dos1 | dunno. Maybe only that one was easily available in low volumes | 00:29 |
| dos1 | maybe in Neo900 there will be some free one | 00:30 |
| bennypr0fane | ShadowJK, turns it was actually less than 8GB, not done after 6 hours! | 00:30 |
| dos1 | or not, we'll see | 00:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | I'm still very pessimistic. | 00:31 |
| Shapeshifter | We'll see indeed. | 00:31 |
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| dos1 | replacement for Nokia's hands video on boot for Neo900 - what do you think? :D | 00:50 |
| dos1 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iWEN70-UWs | 00:50 |
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| zammy | well dos1 shall we all move to openphoenux channel? | 01:01 |
| dos1 | there's none; but well, it's going to be umbrella project for Maemo phone | 01:02 |
| dos1 | I guess any Neo900 talk can stay here :P | 01:03 |
| zammy | LTE modem really? | 01:03 |
| dos1 | yup, seems to be pretty possible :) | 01:03 |
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| dos1 | probably there will be choice for either 3.5G or 4G modem | 01:06 |
| dos1 | as Option GTM601 (3.5G) and GTM801 (4G) are pin-compatible | 01:07 |
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| dos1 | so if you don't need 4G you can save few bucks on it | 01:07 |
| zammy | I am really happy then | 01:09 |
| dos1 | please see the TMO thread and vote in the poll! :) | 01:10 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: https://blogs.fsfe.org/pboddie/?p=430 :) | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome, and the only answer is a spam for rolex replicas | 05:00 |
| robbiethe1st | Of course | 05:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, comfirming pin compatibility and free choice of modem 3G or 4G for Neo900 customers | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and aiui GDM609 also pin compatible. Not sure about API and thus AP GSM stack | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe when you're interested in such a weird critter like the 609, you will be happier with a all new dialer anyway | 05:03 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes. Make it as memory-effecient as possible, and lock it in memory | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it is already locked in RAM ;-) | 05:06 |
| robbiethe1st | So, only thing to do is make it smaller | 05:06 |
| robbiethe1st | (I mean, if you're going to re-write it anyway | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whoever wants to tackle that, nobody will stop him | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | au contraure I will make sure that brave person is full aware of where to download the datasheets for the 609 | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yay, 5500 thanks. not far to 5555 | 05:13 |
| Win7Mac | congrats Doc, saw my query? | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err which one? | 05:20 |
| * RST38h moos | 05:25 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 10:30 |
| infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 | 10:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~neo900 | 10:43 |
| infobot | i heard neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/ | 10:43 |
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| thedead1440 | Macer: last i read, winrt doesn't have ad-hoc support hence it can't even connect to an ad-hoc network | 12:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | DrCode: backup restore wll do for you | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it has a list of deb to download and install | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | DrCode: of course a BM backup would be best | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~BM | 12:29 |
| infobot | it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 12:30 |
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| DrCode | thanku | 12:48 |
| DrCode | I want to install backupmenu but the download link is broken | 12:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | BM should be in extras-devel repository | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | installable via appmanager aka HAM | 13:10 |
| DrCode | DocScrutinizer05, how do I had extras-devl? | 13:16 |
| DrCode | I am using ccsu | 13:17 |
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| Pali | ~extras-devel | 13:28 |
| infobot | hmm... extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel | 13:28 |
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| mashina | finally got a data plan | 16:46 |
| mashina | ssh and irc in the car! | 16:47 |
| mashina | that sim tray is fiddly as hell | 16:47 |
| Apic | =) | 16:48 |
| mashina | im passenger | 16:50 |
| mashina | no safety worries | 16:50 |
| mashina | but yeah i accidentally snapped out the tray flap | 16:51 |
| mashina | put it back in... no wonder people say that tray breaks | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | tzzz | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | we will look for one made from massive steel, for Neo900 | 16:52 |
| mashina | look at the nokia c3 for a good one, uses the exact same battery but nicer cover for sim - simpler | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | with a mugen cover, we might get it fitted | 16:53 |
| mashina | pretty good try for a $20 phone | 16:53 |
| mashina | maybe gps will work a lot better | 16:54 |
| mashina | now that agps can kick in | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | admittedly those things are clumsy | 16:54 |
| mashina | i'm not sure if i can do 3G, it tops at either 2.5 or 2G | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | change to supl.google.com | 16:55 |
| jon_y | the Neo900 will be built with 250mm thich steel case | 16:55 |
| jon_y | enough to withstand a tank gun | 16:55 |
| jon_y | :) | 16:55 |
| mashina | prob diff bands, I'm on rogers/at&t bands | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | fron russian tanks | 16:55 |
| jon_y | well, WW2 era tanks anyway | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | we dived up steel in bikini atoll | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | there's a lot there | 16:56 |
| jon_y | hmm, radioactive steel | 16:56 |
| mashina | jonjon true winter war and 3310 heritage | 16:56 |
| mashina | starting to get laggy | 16:56 |
| mashina | 4bars with lag | 16:56 |
| mashina | but im moving at like 80kph | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | 3G and at&t don't work together well, I heard | 16:57 |
| mashina | yeah im on rogerds which is at&t bands up north | 16:58 |
| jon_y | GSM, in the USA? | 16:58 |
| mashina | canada | 16:58 |
| jon_y | oh ok | 16:58 |
| jon_y | I remember my N900 keeps showing 2.5G in the US | 16:58 |
| jon_y | not sure if I remembered wrongly | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | anyway, if problems with GPS: change supl server to supl.google.com | 16:58 |
| mashina | its gsm our cdma carriers switched | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and ask freemangordon about latest patches | 16:59 |
| mashina | i havent added cssu yet | 16:59 |
| mashina | edge sucks lag wise | 17:00 |
| mashina | i can tolerate speed but lag i hate | 17:00 |
| mashina | but like i said moving fast | 17:01 |
| mashina | ok i can see what looks like the cell tower from here | 17:01 |
| mashina | onna disconnect my tmux | 17:02 |
| mashina | alright parked now, laggy but not bunged up bad | 17:09 |
| mashina | ssh -C should reduce usage to fit my 500MB cap | 17:09 |
| mashina | should try tor maybe too | 17:10 |
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| kerio | ssh compression is a must, both for lag and for traffic usage | 17:33 |
| kerio | at least, for small amounts of data | 17:33 |
| kerio | if you can send a whole screenful in a single packet, you don't get that annoying jitter | 17:33 |
| kerio | come back next week for the next episode of "shit i learned about terminals when playing nethack" | 17:34 |
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| mashina | heh | 17:40 |
| mashina | on public wifi now | 17:40 |
| mashina | quite a bit nicer lag wise | 17:40 |
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| jonwil | ok, I have now identified what should be all the dbus interfaces we need to support in fsogsmd for Neo900 (either support them or take the things that are using them and rewrite/clone/replace them) | 18:31 |
| jonwil | so yeah that covers everything we need to replace in order to replace the cellular services daemon going forward :) | 18:31 |
| jonwil | We have full documentation for /com/nokia/csd/gprs and /com/nokia/phone/net | 18:33 |
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| jonwil | And we have what should hopefully be full dbus introspection details for /com/nokia/csd/call, /com/nokia/csd/info, /com/nokia/phone/sms and /com/nokia/csd/ss | 18:33 |
| jonwil | its only /com/nokia/phone/sim, /com/nokia/phone/sim/security and /com/nokia/phone/sim/phonebook where we dont have full details :) | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: that sounds awesome | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | phonebook is boring - and probbaly can get done way better than what we have now | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sim/security is not much | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sim is cloudy | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afraid sim will hold a lot of surprises for us | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | niche cases you rather wouldn't even think of | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think we at least can ignore simlock ;-) | 18:50 |
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| jonwil | Let me see of the things that use com.nokia.phone.sim.* which bits they actually use | 18:56 |
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| jonwil | Quite a few of them only use phone.sim.* to get imsi/imei | 18:59 |
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| jonwil | oooh neat, csd-sim has some info on the methods it exposes after all, functions in that lib have names like m_Phone_Sim__authenticate_sim_card_ay | 19:17 |
| jonwil | so Phone_Sim is the interface | 19:18 |
| jonwil | authenticate_sim_card is the method | 19:18 |
| jonwil | and ay is the args | 19:18 |
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| dos11 | jonwil: nice! | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 19:25 |
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| RiD | hey DocScrutinizer05! | 19:45 |
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| jonwil | so yeah in theory we can probably figure out the format (parameters, return type) of most of the dbus messages related to the cellular services daemon. Doesn't help us figure out what they do or what the values actually mean though :( | 19:51 |
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| jonwil | Too bad some anonymous Nokia person hasn't leaked libcscall-blah.tar.gz or libsim-blah.tar.gz or libsms-blah.tar.gz :P | 19:54 |
| dos1 | all anonymous Nokia persons over here - we need your help! | 19:55 |
| dos1 | cookies for docs, deal? :) | 19:57 |
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| mike-hun | hello.my n900's board is damaged,but found pcb board for sale without spare parts.does it worth to buy it or are there any phone recycling companies in the uk where can I buy a new board? | 20:12 |
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| mike-hun | thank you | 20:17 |
| RiD | ? | 20:17 |
| mike-hun | what chances i have to get a new board? | 20:19 |
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| wnd | not again.. telepathy + gtalk fails with informative "network error". | 20:32 |
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| Win7Mac | tmo down? | 20:47 |
| dos1 | seems so | 20:47 |
| thedead1440 | maintenance being carried out | 20:47 |
| Win7Mac | without notice? | 20:48 |
| RiD | actually you had notice | 20:48 |
| RiD | afaik | 20:48 |
| thedead1440 | i'm not sure of the notice too; just saw that a snapshot of talk was required hence the vm is frozzen.. | 20:49 |
| dos1 | k | 20:49 |
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| thedead1440 | frozen* | 20:51 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | maintenance was completed over the weekend AFAIK | 21:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | down for me too. | 21:07 |
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| dos1 | vBulletin Message: TMO is on maintenance. We will be back soon. | 21:08 |
| dos1 | got it few minutes ago, now it's down again | 21:09 |
| dos1 | so I have no doubt there is mainternance going on right now :P | 21:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | seems all is back? | 21:24 |
| Win7Mac | looks gooood | 21:24 |
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| dos1 | I just found some old Nokia 3410 case | 22:15 |
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| dos1 | hmm... Neo3410 anyone? :D | 22:15 |
| RiD | dafaq | 22:15 |
| dos1 | imagine that bragging abilities | 22:16 |
| dos1 | "I have put Maemo to my 3410!" | 22:16 |
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| RiD | well | 22:17 |
| RiD | that's like saying you put a ferrari in a fiat | 22:17 |
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| kerio | put an abarth in a fiat :D | 22:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 22:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | TC130 engine in a panda :D | 22:36 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | grr...pidgin | 22:56 |
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| sledges | there's a panda club, quite big in italy , ca 200bhp engines :) | 23:15 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | 200? you wouldn't get that from the old "999 fire" engine. :) | 23:36 |
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