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dos1DocScrutinizer05: what needs to be done regarding TMO registration issue? is there any way I can help maybe?00:21
DocScrutinizer05we're going to import a few extensions to vBulletin as soon as chemist is back from holiday00:25
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DocScrutinizer05dos1: you may import the today's board snapshots from my shareservice ;-)01:35
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DocScrutinizer05DocScrutinizer05: the link under "Maemo" should be http://maemo.org/intro/ , not http://maemo.org02:40
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HtheB~seen robbiethe1st03:00
infobotrobbiethe1st <~robbiethe@63.140.21.124> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 20h 23m 39s ago, saying: 'Moar power!'.03:00
Win7MacHi! please share your thoughts regarding the eV, I just updated the thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373011#post137301103:06
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HtheByo quackquack03:25
RiDwhat kind of nickname is that03:25
quackquackhi HtheB03:25
HtheBhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajNITiqPAKw03:25
quackquackxD HtheB03:26
HtheB:D03:26
RiDthat's on my to watch list03:27
Win7MacHtheB, you just read my recent eV post, what do you think?03:27
HtheBRiD: it's only 8 secs03:28
HtheBWin7Mac: to be honest, it was too long ehheh03:28
HtheBI dont even know what it was about though03:28
RiDno sound here :p03:28
HtheBDo'h!03:28
HtheBDJ quackquack03:30
* quackquack listening03:31
Win7Macehheh...  dont even know what it was about... care about duck shit instead... right, should do that too instead of spending hours upon it. know what? - FU!03:36
RiDi did not understand a single thing of what you just said03:37
RiDare you saying that duck shit is hours?03:37
quackquackRiD, +103:37
Win7Macright, duck shit is hours, just smoke it and ya know03:40
RiDsmoke is duck?03:40
Win7Macno, you are dick03:41
RiDdon't call me names , you silly03:41
RiDcall me by my nickname03:41
Win7Machonestly, what do you expect?03:41
RiDrid03:42
RiDyou could get RiD of me03:42
Win7MacI could, but I want your input in that topic ;)03:43
RiDwhat topic03:43
Win7Machttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373011#post137301103:43
RiDsorry but i'm a mere user03:46
Win7Macmere tmo user? mere H user?03:48
Win7Macshit, it's about OUR future...03:48
RiDI can't help on that03:49
Win7Macoh, come on!03:49
RiDwhat?03:49
Win7Macyes you can!03:50
RiDi have no knowledge in all that burocracy mess03:50
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*** DocScrutinizer05 sets mode: +qq Win7Mac!*@* rid!*@*03:50
DocScrutinizer05behave!03:51
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RiDlol, I wasn't being mean or anything :p03:52
Win7Macno, mee to03:52
Win7Mactoo03:52
RiDI'm a leecher! Only thing I ever did was that rockbox skin03:53
DocScrutinizer05if it helps: I got notification of new post in thread, and I read it and got headache trying to get it all together03:53
Win7MacDoc, where can I assist?03:54
Win7Macand yes, it helps03:55
Win7Macsince you at least can read the draft03:55
Win7Macbasically, I don't know what do any more03:56
Win7MacI'm a bit frustrated with this since input is so low03:56
Win7Macboard decided and I'm left alone with it... :(03:57
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Win7MacDoc, please refrain from tearing my post appart in the thread, please comment here instead and allow me to correct mayself if you think I'm wrong here or there04:07
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HtheBWin7Mac: my future isn't based on a OS...04:12
HtheBI have a life you know ;)04:12
HtheBI'm here for fun, and to help people if someone needs help04:13
HtheBand yeah, a little duck is always awesome, right quackquack and RiD ?04:13
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: I caan't comment and for sure I won't tear it into pieces. I'm just amazed by your endurance to push this. I resigned several months ago04:14
* quackquack nods HtheB 04:14
Win7MacHtheB, if you get active on tmo as mod, how can you ignore HiFo?04:14
RiDHtheB ehh...sure04:15
mashinamallards?04:15
HtheBim just banning spambot04:15
Win7Macoh, thats it?04:15
HtheBand merging threads and stuff04:15
HtheBim not into all the other stuff04:15
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: frustration is a poor argument to convice others to help. I know since I've been there04:16
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DocScrutinizer05and HiFo got a very bad taste for most of community members, thanks to last term04:17
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DocScrutinizer05it's not a surprise that feedback and enthusiasm is low04:17
DocScrutinizer05the problem is to convince community that HiFo is a good thing and can be fun and perspective04:18
Win7MacDoc, amazed by my endurance? - board thinks this is the right way to go and since I'm the only one left to help in that regard since chemist lesft for holliday and whatnot04:18
HtheB90% of the users skips it anyway, it's something that a normal user doesnt even understand what it is about04:18
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Win7Macright, and I want to help04:19
DocScrutinizer05:-)04:19
Win7MacI just hit busses instead04:19
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Win7Mac:-(04:20
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HtheBWin7Mac: I thought you wanted some war...04:21
Win7Macno, discussion04:22
Win7Macmore like community backup04:22
HtheBYou ain't helping anybody if you call people dick....04:22
Win7Macsorry04:22
RiD:o I'm sure he didn't mean it04:22
HtheBthis also makes influance of your reputation04:22
Win7Macright, sorry again, I was emberrassed04:23
HtheBstill, just because I'm not into something..04:23
HtheB ok04:23
HtheBappology accepted04:23
HtheBso, what is all the stuff about anyway?04:23
Win7Macget the money to where it is needed + accesible04:24
DocScrutinizer05maemo community needs somebody who got the "power" to sign contracts for us all04:24
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Win7Macand get the HiFo under EU instead of PA state laws04:25
HtheBeu stinks as much as PA04:25
Win7MacDoc, right!04:25
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DocScrutinizer05HtheB: why do you say EU stinks? what's wrong?04:26
Win7MacHtheB, I don't think so04:26
HtheBthe EU is going down soon.. believe me :)04:26
HtheBeconimical crisis and stuff :)04:26
DocScrutinizer05I don't worry about that04:26
RiDportugal will save it04:26
RiD*cough*04:26
Win7MacLOL04:26
HtheBexactly...04:26
HtheBa couple countries will survive it04:27
HtheBlike China04:27
HtheBTurkey04:27
RiDand portugal04:27
HtheBanyway, this channel is about Maemo, not about political stuff04:28
HtheBneither about Hildon foundation04:28
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Win7Macand the US ofc...04:28
HtheBall I care is my life and my family and friends :)04:29
DocScrutinizer05HtheB: you missed the point here04:29
HtheBnothing more, nothing less04:29
DocScrutinizer05HiFo *is* maemo04:29
HtheBno its not :)04:29
DocScrutinizer05then sth is wrong04:29
DocScrutinizer05since it's meant to be04:30
HtheBwhat will hildon foundation do for me? :)04:31
DocScrutinizer05it got invented to be maemo for all that matters regarding signing contracts and handling money04:31
Win7Macpay for the infra e.g04:31
DocScrutinizer05HtheB: pay for the servers?04:31
HtheBi dont care about that04:31
HtheBagain: if maemo closes, my life isn't over :)04:31
MacerCompatible with 2G & 3G HSDPA 850/900/1900/2100 & 4G 800/900/1800/1900/2100/260004:31
DocScrutinizer05ok, then why do you moderate tmo?04:32
Maceri still don't understand what t-mobile uses04:32
HtheBto help people, I like that04:32
Macerdon't they use 1700 for 4G?04:32
DocScrutinizer05HtheB: you're starting to sound silly04:32
HtheBwhy is that? :)04:32
HtheBMaemo is starting to die....04:32
DocScrutinizer05because you say you love using tmo but you don't see how HiFo paying tmo is any good for you04:33
HtheBi didn't say I love...04:33
HtheBI love my family and friends :)04:33
HtheBlike and love are 2 different words04:33
HtheBtmo is full of trolls nowadays04:33
HtheBno announcement of awesome stuff04:34
Win7Macno, helping others is a good thing, no matter if its on tmo or here on IRC - each his own, but still we have smth in common with a "higher2 goal, right?04:34
DocScrutinizer05uhuh04:34
HtheBhigher goal? I'm not looking for a higher goal04:34
RiDHtheB we got many things already04:34
DocScrutinizer05no awesome announcements anymore??04:34
HtheBstill missing 1 little thing04:35
RiDyou can't announce something new that has already been done04:35
HtheBwhich is on harmattan04:35
DocScrutinizer05dang, what announcements do you need to think "wow"?04:35
RiDHtheB what thing?04:35
HtheBbinding volume buttons to media volume always04:35
RiDeh04:35
HtheBno one could get this to work :)04:36
Win7MacHtheB: no major harmattan progress without maemo.org I guess?!04:36
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HtheBWin7Mac: oh yes... :)04:36
RiDi think some players support it, HtheB04:36
HtheBpowerpack didnt come from tmo :)04:36
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HtheBthere are many other forums that have some better support (in their own language)04:37
Win7Macand as Doc stated, maemo is tied to HiFo already04:37
DocScrutinizer05HtheB: night fellow, your negativism doesn't please me right now, so I'm off04:37
HtheBnite doc04:37
HtheBsoon im going to Jolla04:38
HtheBI'm wondering if jolla will make an official forum04:38
Win7Macguess what, me too, very likely04:38
RiDto be honest, and it's only my opinion, jolla doesn't really please me04:39
HtheBit does for me04:39
HtheBandroid apps without having android :)04:39
Win7Macnobody can tell anything so far, so we'll see04:39
RiDyou'll still have android parts :/04:39
HtheBRiD: care04:40
HtheBandroid + html5 + qt04:40
RiDone thing android is horrible at is ui/ux04:40
HtheBagain: care04:40
Macerhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart04:40
Macerugh04:40
HtheBI just need some apps that aren't available for maemo/meego04:40
Macerwhy must t-mobile use their oddball freq04:40
Macer:-/04:40
Macerit really ruins lives heh04:40
HtheBMacer: guess frequencies are better over here :P they all uses the same04:41
MacerHtheB: i'm sure they do04:41
MacerT-Mobile US uses 1700/AWS for hspda+04:41
Macerso it makes finding a device a bit more difficult04:41
Macerwell.. finding an unlocked functional device vs a branded one04:41
HtheBRiD: so what if you have android parts?04:41
HtheBdoes it hurt you?04:42
RiDyes, it hurts my heart04:42
HtheBthen dont use a phone at all :)04:42
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RiDno, i'm just more concerned about how will android ui blend with jolla04:42
HtheBit will run in a sandbox04:42
HtheBso im sure they have their own 'theme' with it04:42
RiDit'll look like android i guess04:43
HtheByes... ofcourse ¬¬04:43
RiDhehe04:43
HtheBno shit :P04:43
HtheBsherlock04:43
HtheBanyway04:43
HtheBim just pissed off still no hwkeyb04:43
HtheBeven though marc said he wants to see hwkeyb on phones...04:44
Win7Macanyway, this is about as much as I can do regarding the eV without further feedback/assistance from communty04:44
RiDi don't think i'll switch to touchscreen keyboards anytime soon04:44
RiDit's just....horrible04:45
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RiDand me being a reasonably fast typer at computers and my n900, i get pissed off when trying to type on touchscreen04:45
HtheBits ok, for typing a word or 204:45
HtheBbut, thats it04:45
RiDit makes me want to throw it out of the window so hard it hits a plane04:46
HtheBRiD: n900 sucks at vkeyb04:46
HtheBharmattan is a lot better04:46
RiDi tried many android keyboards04:46
HtheBuse ios04:46
RiDtablet size, smartphone, etc04:46
HtheBit is working very well somehow04:46
HtheBit is really weird that I make typing errors on vkeyb (a lot)04:46
HtheBbut on ios, somehow i always type right :/04:47
HtheBand no auto correction04:47
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: get help by your board colleagues. There is GeneralAntilles and Jaffa and Woody14619, all with a history in council and thus some idea about how to talk to community04:47
HtheBbtw, before starting to say about apple: I dont like Apple, dont have anything from apple in my home either04:47
RiDi barely make mistakes on my n90004:47
RiDphysical feedback is wonderful04:47
HtheBRiD: thats why I still wait for hwkeyb phone04:48
HtheBMotorola is bringing out one soon... but not in the EU i suppose04:48
HtheB5row hwkeyboaaaaard!04:48
RiDyeh just us, sprint or verizon04:48
HtheBanyway, i should go to sleep04:48
HtheBalmost 4 am ¬_¬04:48
RiDi am pretty good with the n900's keyboard :)04:49
RiDinstant *click* when i first tried it04:49
HtheBgood with what? good with licking the keyboard? fine04:49
HtheB:D04:49
RiDwhat04:49
RiDno, so good i had to change keyboard because the other worn off like mad04:49
HtheBthen youre not good04:49
HtheBI use  my keyboard gentle :)04:50
HtheBgot 4 laying here :P04:50
RiDgentle does not mean fast04:50
HtheBi type fast04:50
HtheBbut if you use with dirty hands, the letters can tear off yeah04:50
RiDwe'll see04:50
RiDyou calling me filthy, boy?!04:50
HtheBn950 keyboard is btter04:50
HtheBRiD: yeah, bad boy!04:50
DocScrutinizer05eeew04:51
RiDsomething on the other keyboard was different anyways04:51
RiDthis one hasn't worn off yet04:51
DocScrutinizer05n950 is exactly place two on my all time top ten of awful keyboards04:51
RiDthe other one's backspace key was heart shattering04:51
HtheBDocScrutinizer05: I LOOOOOOOVE it04:51
HtheBtypes better then n90004:51
DocScrutinizer05no way04:51
HtheBthe keys are more easy to press04:52
RiDgive me one so i can tell you04:52
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RiDi'll break the damned guiness world record for fastest sms!04:52
HtheBthe n900 are to close04:52
RiD"guiness world record" what04:52
HtheBafter typing on the n950, the n900 feels tiny04:52
DocScrutinizer05yeah, so easy to press that you can press 3 at once. And doing so is usual since the keys have no taktile feedback of where one ends and other one starts04:52
HtheBi dont know what fingers you have, but my keys does have tactile feedback04:53
HtheBi can just type blind04:53
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HtheB_here04:54
DocScrutinizer05about as much tactile feedback as a touchscreen04:54
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HtheB_n950errr. no04:54
HtheB_n950not at all04:54
RiDand so, the battle has begun04:54
HtheB_n950i really like this04:54
HtheB_n950more space04:55
HtheB_n9504 rows...04:55
HtheB_n950instead of 304:55
HtheB_n950also, more easy to use with special chars like òôö and stuff04:55
RiDdon't split your sentence into 10 different messages04:55
RiDóôõéî04:55
HtheB_n950thats what happens when you try to type fast on the phone04:55
DocScrutinizer05that's what I thought when I first seen the N950 kbd... until I started typing on it04:55
HtheB_n950you didn't use it for real then04:56
HtheB_n950use it everyday, and you'll be amazed04:56
DocScrutinizer05nah, I won't use a device with aegis on a daily basis04:56
DocScrutinizer05gives me cancer04:56
Wulfelol04:56
HtheB_n950DocScrutinizer05, aegis doesnt do anything to me04:56
HtheB_n950openmode, inception should be enough04:57
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Win7Maccoderus' aegis installer!04:57
HtheB_n950i dont like him04:57
HtheB_n950very selfish04:57
Win7Mac*hack04:57
DocScrutinizer05I'm using computers since 40 years now, and since at least 20 years I'm pissed by anything that doesn't feel and work like unix. And now I shall get used to this aegis shit? no way04:58
HtheB_n950DocScrutinizer05, you're getting old04:59
HtheB_n950just ace the truth04:59
DocScrutinizer05indeed I'm too old for that shit04:59
HtheB_n950thats why you couldnt handle n950 keyb05:00
DocScrutinizer05maybe05:00
Win7Mache just keeps that for GTA05 ;)05:00
RiDDocScrutinizer05 that line!05:01
Win7Macin an awesome new N950/e7 style shiny new device ;)05:01
HtheB_n950gta 5 coming out soon05:01
RiDin pink05:01
Win7MacROTFL05:01
DocScrutinizer05e7 maybe05:02
DocScrutinizer05n950 we don't get any parts for05:02
RiDput an n900 in an n950 body05:03
DocScrutinizer05TI still doesn't really sell omap5 in mass^h to the masses05:03
DocScrutinizer05so we will start GTA05 next year the earliest05:03
DocScrutinizer05omap4 is shite05:03
DocScrutinizer05SiErr that TI refuses to fix05:04
HtheB_n950snapdragon 800 ftw05:04
DocScrutinizer05possible05:04
DocScrutinizer05but snapdragon isn't an "open" chip I think05:04
DocScrutinizer05I know you don't care about open05:05
HtheB_n950what if its not open?05:05
HtheB_n950hahahh05:05
DocScrutinizer05then we can't use it since we don't know how. The simple truth05:05
HtheB_n950hmmm05:06
HtheB_n950it should be documented though05:06
DocScrutinizer05should, uhuh05:06
Win7Macanyway, with latest Nokia/M$ deal, we may have new perspectives, esp. regarding Jolla/Sailfish as a future Nokia target05:06
HtheB_n950but i dont like totally closed though, like wp and ios05:06
HtheB_n950what about newkia05:06
HtheB_n950?05:06
Win7Macif they decide to come back in 201605:07
RiDnewkia is just blabla05:07
DocScrutinizer05huh? future nokia target? plase elaborate05:07
RiDlook at the name05:07
Win7MacJolla05:07
HtheB_n950hollaaaa if you jollaaaa05:08
Win7MacI cannot imagine Nokia would never ever make handsets again05:08
DocScrutinizer05nokia will build windows phones!05:08
RiD^05:09
Win7MacLOL05:09
DocScrutinizer05just now it's owned by MS05:09
RiDand they'll talk at how great their camera is05:09
RiDbut nothing else05:09
DocScrutinizer05which makes perfect sense for building MS err windblows phones05:09
Win7MacAFAIK, from 2016 on, they can sell new HW under different names05:10
DocScrutinizer05and MS will make sure that each nokia phone has a proper convenient backdoor for NSA05:11
RiDthat's what i'm less worried about05:11
HtheB_n950windows was OK, untill 8 came out05:11
HtheB_n950-_-05:11
HtheB_n950nsa kiss my ass05:11
HtheB_n950i dont care05:11
RiD8 is better than 7 in many aspects, but they decided to also put the whole "modern"ui crap on it05:12
Win7MacI'm talking about whats left of Nokia, Finland, not the part that moved to M$05:12
HtheB_n950Win7Mac: nothing left over there05:12
DocScrutinizer05the part that left is about network05:12
HtheB_n950NSN05:12
DocScrutinizer05bts etc05:12
HtheB_n950DocScrutinizer05, soon....05:13
HtheB_n950www.HtheB.com05:13
DocScrutinizer05?05:13
HtheB_n950soon they'll take over NSN too05:13
HtheB_n950(networking part)05:13
DocScrutinizer05whatever that is05:13
RiDHtheB_n950 do you have a site only to display that image?05:14
HtheB_n950refresh RiD05:14
DocScrutinizer05is nokia network branch called NSN?05:14
RiDoh god05:14
HtheB_n950DocScrutinizer05, yes. Nokia Siemens Networking05:14
RiDyou gotta be kidding me LOL05:14
DocScrutinizer05aah yes05:14
Win7Macright, and I cannot imagine they will not retry their efforts with another handset as soon as they can...05:15
HtheB_n950RiD, my website will go live soon again05:15
RiDwww.htheb.com/images/26.jpg that one scares me05:15
RiDsweet dreams x_x05:15
HtheB_n950:D05:16
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: they got no name, no OS, no inhouse competence and knowhow05:16
Win7Macthey just buy Jolla05:16
DocScrutinizer05HAHA05:16
HtheB_n950microsoft changed05:17
Win7MacThey have billions now05:17
DocScrutinizer05they always had05:17
HtheB_n950before it was: if you can't beat them, join them05:17
HtheB_n950now it is: if you can't beat them, buy them05:17
Win7Mac5-10 billion Euro05:17
HtheB_n950or, in this case: if you can't beat them, sneak in, break it, buy them05:18
RiDat a cheaper price05:19
HtheB_n950yeah05:19
DocScrutinizer05isn't that what hedgefunds always do?05:19
Win7MacJolla would be ~10 mio? 100 mio - no prob!05:19
HtheB_n950i dont understand why the EU does accept this?05:19
DocScrutinizer05maybe they don't?05:19
HtheB_n950ms already gave money05:19
DocScrutinizer05their problem ;-P05:20
HtheB_n950the deal is already done afaik05:20
HtheB_n950a big maffia game....05:20
DocScrutinizer05nah, needs to get accepted by EU ldqjelsxebudu commission05:20
RiDremember when nokia's plan was to do more maemo/meego flagship smartphones?05:20
Win7MacNSN still has acces to all of Nokias patents AFAIK05:20
HtheB_n950elop stated that nokia wouldnt sell their stuff to microsoft05:21
HtheB_n950and yet they did05:21
Win7Macand can sell to others even05:21
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HtheB_n950RiD, www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeiFF0gvqcc05:22
HtheB_n950Win7Mac, they have patents yes05:22
HtheB_n950but not all05:22
HtheB_n950MS has the mobile shit05:22
HtheB_n950MS, the new patent troll05:23
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DocScrutinizer05DAMN! spam on techstaff account05:23
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RiDHtheB_n950 no thanks. Celldweller, The Crystal Method or others alike. Nothing else05:23
quackquackquackquack1, haha, imma real quackquack05:23
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HtheBquack05:24
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quackquackRiD, it was about 'do you remember the time' of the meego flagship05:24
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RiDi know, but still05:24
HtheBmj ftw05:24
RiDi am extremely picky in musics05:24
quackquack1i got clones?05:25
RiDapparently05:25
Win7MacOK, gn guys o/05:25
DocScrutinizer05dafaq, foeca dead?05:25
RiDxoxo muah muah05:26
HtheBheheh05:26
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DocScrutinizer05forecaWeather even05:26
quackquacksup doc?05:26
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: night!05:26
quackquacknight Win7Mac05:27
RiDhow about omweather05:27
quackquackwhat spam?05:27
quackquackquackquack105:27
quackquack1??05:27
quackquackquackquack2?05:27
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quackquack10wn3d.05:28
quackquack1;-)05:28
RiDhehe05:28
quackquack1lol05:28
RiDghost?05:28
* quackquack1 nods05:28
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HtheBdarn it05:28
HtheBclient crashed05:28
quackquack1lol05:28
RiDoh05:28
quackquack1sorry05:28
DocScrutinizer05nah, my internet on n900 is borked again :-(05:29
HtheBwhat happened quackquack1?05:29
HtheByou did something?05:29
quackquack1nothing special05:29
HtheB:P then sorry from my side05:29
HtheBoh wait, quackquack is gone too05:30
quackquack1xP xD05:30
quackquack1sad05:30
HtheBthought you had to wait for quackquack to be gone05:30
HtheBso....05:30
RiDDocScrutinizer05 3g or wifi?05:30
DocScrutinizer05ok, now I finally diagnosed it: DNS doesn't work, internet is fine05:30
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DocScrutinizer05wifi05:30
quackquackquackquack05:31
RiDmy router likes to take a break from dns sometimes05:31
RiDi hate that05:31
quackquackquck05:31
quackquackquack05:31
RiD(router/modem combo)05:31
quackquackquack quack05:31
quackquackRiD05:32
RiDquackquack05:32
quackquackquackquack05:32
RiD??05:32
quackquackquack05:32
RiDyou should go to sleep05:32
quackquack._. yeah05:32
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HtheBnight all05:32
HtheB:D05:32
HtheBquack!05:33
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quackquack1night05:33
RiDhe has been tamed05:33
RiDI can proceed with my life now05:33
quackquack1friggin openwrt takes so much space.05:33
RiDor what's left of it :v05:33
quackquack1just waiting for WW-III to kick off.05:35
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HtheB_zzzquack05:36
quackquack1yep05:44
Macerquackquack1: build it youtself?05:45
quackquack1yep05:45
DocScrutinizer05dang, evidently something around dnsmasq blows chunks05:48
DocScrutinizer05though I can't tell for sure what05:48
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Maceri love sociality06:23
Macerwish it was still maintained06:23
Macerbest fb client ever heh06:23
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DocScrutinizer05I guess it's MohammadAG you need to pester about it06:32
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jonwiloooh, look what I found with google http://pastie.org/pastes/114993106:49
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: nice06:56
DocScrutinizer05a shame that http://www.wirelessmodemapi.com/ is down06:57
jonwilI still have bits and pieces of headers from there06:59
jonwilI have zips from there and other info06:59
jonwilwhich is only of value if you care about the actual isi interface to the modem06:59
jonwiland by and large we dont need to care about that so much07:00
jonwilI do for example have the exact header file matching the N900 cellular modem GPS interface07:01
jonwiland I think the matching one for a few other modem interfaces07:01
jonwilhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9131307:02
jonwilMore to come in that thread :)07:02
jonwilwhich btw I linked from in the FPTF thread07:02
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: I see we talked about it 14 months ago, in another channel07:06
jonwilhmmm, ok07:06
DocScrutinizer05I'm trying to locate the wirelessmodemapi shit on my PC, but no idea where to look ;-D07:06
jonwilhttp://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G1%20V2%2010w49.zip http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V1%2010w49.zip http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V2%2011w05.zip http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V3%2011w25.zip07:09
DocScrutinizer05oooh07:09
DocScrutinizer05:-D07:09
DocScrutinizer05thanks!07:10
DocScrutinizer05and what you posted on pastie was not included in that zip stuff?07:10
jonwilthat wasn't my paste07:15
jonwilit was something I randomly found with google07:15
jonwiljust now07:15
jonwilseems like I found it before07:15
jonwilbut forgot I found it (and discussed it in this channel)07:15
jonwilisi_info is higher level than the wirelessmodemapi stuff07:16
DocScrutinizer05:nod:07:18
DocScrutinizer05Ruby on Rails   10.09.2010     <-- that's a joke, no?07:20
robbiethe1stDocScrutinizer05, huh?07:27
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jonwilhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373026#post137302607:59
jonwilThats a good start for documenting the cellular services daemon dbus calls :)07:59
jonwilnothing new there really but its good to have it in the one place :)08:00
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: i can't ban and delete those whose accounts are >90 days (i did ban the user as a spambot). I can't also edit/delete posts+threads in sub-forums for which i am not a moderator. As of now the only sub-forums where i have privs are general, community, n9/950, meego/harmattan, n900 as well as the whole alternatives sub-forums. i used to have sailfish but when chemist re-jigged its location i lost privs. the thread which you08:00
thedead1440deleted was in games; a sub-forum without any moderator. hence admin or super-mod privs required on such sub-forums. I have previously asked for the latter but was told not to ask for too much :D08:00
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lexik_n900Maybe we can create a new section on TMO named "Neo900"? There are three threads about it, and it is probably going to be more08:13
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DocScrutinizer05sounds like a reasonable request09:32
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: please consider creating wiki pages, otherwise contributions by others will be sparse and rare, and scattered all over the place09:47
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mike-hunhi there.have problems with the Rapuyama chip,i suspect,that is foobar.any way how to get a replacement?11:16
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mike-hunit is in a n900,rx51 2104 uk11:17
mike-huntry to reball,but if I can't how to buy it?11:17
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mike-hunany idea?this rapuyama ic is the cellular modem.11:23
mike-hunsaw this spring fixing method,but I'd like a permanent solution.11:24
mike-hunthank you for the answers.11:25
keriomike-hun: i think your only chance is to buy a new n900 - and at that point, you might as well use it11:33
kerioi don't think anyone has ever been successful in reballing it11:33
kerioDocScrutinizer05: *rapuyama reball poke*11:34
Maceris there a maemo fics client?11:34
kerioone of the linux ones maybe11:35
Macerhm. i looked on the repos. i dont see one11:35
Macersomething with a front end11:35
Macerwow11:35
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure I ever seen bb5 chips for sale. For sure not nowadays11:36
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DocScrutinizer05simply reflowing the chip might already help11:36
DocScrutinizer05I don't think it's wise to unsolder and reball rapuyama11:37
DocScrutinizer05btw ir might as well be retu(?)11:37
DocScrutinizer05it*11:37
Macerhm11:39
Macerminiature is in devel11:39
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ds_shadofJust bought new n900 32gb for about 200$. Is it good price?12:20
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ApicYes.12:20
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ApicI paid over 500€ IIRC Easter 201012:21
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ds_shadofuff, now i'm fine, definitely not overpayed12:24
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RaimuI bought mine for about $200 too12:26
RaimuNever regreg12:26
Raimu*regret12:26
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sledgeshello13:22
sledgesjust got an n900 from a friend13:22
ApicNice.13:22
sledgessadly it won't turn on13:23
sledgesmeasured voltage across battery - 0.2...13:23
sledgesLED shows green with USB plugged (with or without battery)13:23
sledgesbut battery won't charge itself..13:23
sledgesmight be dead..13:23
sledgesany games I could play now before obtaining an external charger or new battery?13:24
sledgesgot a bench PSU could wire it up :)13:24
sledgesalso measured the battery connector pins on the phone - no juices from there either when USB plugged13:25
sledgeseither there's some logic to first read battery status and then start to charge it..13:26
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sledgesor charging itself is knackered13:26
sledges(remember, LED is always green, never seen it orange..)13:26
sledgeswill try to needle-pin probe when battery is inserted in a minute..13:27
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sledgesok the voltage between pin 1 and pin 3 is 0.7V when battery is supposedly being charged13:34
sledgessorry13:35
sledgespin 2 (-) and pin 3 (no label)13:35
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Pali~seen nicolai13:40
infobotPali: i haven't seen 'nicolai'13:40
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DocScrutinizer05((either there's some logic to first read battery status and then start to charge it..)) yep, exactly13:46
DocScrutinizer05green LED however is weird13:47
sledgesI'm tempted to clamp up a 3.7V PSU13:47
DocScrutinizer05go ahead13:47
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sledgestoo impatient to wait days for batteries/ext.chargers :)13:48
DocScrutinizer05just watch out for the right pins!13:48
sledgesthanks13:48
sledgesi already mixed them up :D13:48
DocScrutinizer05+ is outer, - middle(!) contact13:48
sledgesyes13:48
DocScrutinizer05BSI: pin313:49
sledgesthe + and - measured 0.7 once battery in and usb plugged13:49
sledgesBSI - sounds like logic part of my peugeot :D13:49
DocScrutinizer05and duh, you probably won't have much fun without a 75kR between BSI and -13:49
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sledges75kΩ ?13:50
DocScrutinizer05:nod:13:50
sledgesright13:50
DocScrutinizer05you *could* slaughter your busted battery13:51
sledgesthanks DocScrutinizer05 :) will see what's in the shed13:51
sledges(if I wire PSU with battery in? no, I won't go that way)13:51
DocScrutinizer05remove cell13:51
sledgesyup13:51
DocScrutinizer05keep the protective circuit and 75kR13:51
DocScrutinizer05pretty easy to disassemble those batteries13:52
sledgesunderstood13:52
jon_yn900 refuse to boot without 75KR?13:52
DocScrutinizer05yep13:53
sledgespondering maybe battery is not dead, only charging circuit broken. need to wait for ext charger from a friend beforehand13:53
jon_yok13:53
DocScrutinizer050V7? DEADBEEF13:53
sledgesoke 0xDEADBEEF then13:53
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: my battery is from 201013:54
sledges0.2V when measured removed battery itself13:54
jon_yshould I get a new one?13:54
jon_yor can it go on forever?13:54
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: dunno. Why?13:54
sledges0.7V is phone's attempt to charge it. maybe it's phone's charging circuit not giving out more?13:54
DocScrutinizer05I seen batteries that were 7 years old and in near perfect condition13:54
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jon_yok13:55
jon_yI was just wondering if it was considered old already13:55
DocScrutinizer05sledges: the bq24150 probes battery during iirc 20ms, then throws error "no battery" or "broken" or whatever13:55
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DocScrutinizer05sledges: your constant green however might be a yellow with broken red LED13:57
DocScrutinizer05sledges: anyway LiIon cells with <2V are considered dead and must not get recharged13:59
sledgesDocScrutinizer05, time to gut-dissect it :)13:59
DocScrutinizer05indeed, particularly since protective circuit might have cut out and cell voltage is actually still good14:00
DocScrutinizer05but probably isn't14:00
DocScrutinizer05prot circuit blocks charging when cell voltage too low14:01
keriowhat happens if you try to charge a LiIon cell with <2V?14:01
DocScrutinizer05it also blocks discharging when cell voltage reaches lower limit, which is ~2.2..2.4V14:01
DocScrutinizer05kerio: it might vent and catch fire14:02
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kerioD:14:02
keriothat's not good!14:02
kerioconsidering the protective circuit, how the hell do you get a BL-5J to 0.7V?14:02
keriosledges: are you sure you measured between + and -?14:03
sledgeskerio, measured all combos14:03
DocScrutinizer05discharge to limit, then store away for months14:03
sledges+ and - gives out 0.2 and now even less14:03
sledgesonce I removed prot circuit14:03
sledgesand measured between terminals directly14:03
sledgesit gives 0.0414:03
sledgesDocScrutinizer05, it has been stored away for months14:05
sledges&)14:05
DocScrutinizer05~batteryfaq14:06
infobotbatteryfaq is probably http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers14:06
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lexik_ntbO.K. photos for neo900 are done. Now i'm going to edit them a little in photoshop (sorry, or gimp maybe) - then i will upload them, in my opinion they are better than the official Nokia photos :D [BIG THANKS TO MY MOM :D]14:18
DocScrutinizer05:-D14:22
DocScrutinizer05lexik_ntb: just ideally don't spam the thread with lots of photos, rather create a new thread or post an URL only14:23
DocScrutinizer05theard that have posts with huge [img][/img] embedded photos are a PITA to read on e.g. N900. Post that [quote] those posts with lots of [img] are a major annoyance14:26
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: could vBulletin learn to not quote [img] tags?14:27
DocScrutinizer05I mean, it already doesn't quote [quote]14:28
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keriolexik_ntb: make an imgur album maybe14:29
lexik_ntbimgur is what im going to do14:29
lexik_ntbthan i will send you the link and dos1 will upload it to neo900.org/photos14:30
Pali~seen _nicolai_14:35
infobot_nicolai_ <~nicolai@pop8-1810.catv.wtnet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 58d 17h 30m 18s ago, saying: 'merlin1991, please do so. It is for my "ledpulse" package. maemo package interface says: "old version cleaned ..." every 4 hourse. The newest version to import is ledpulse 0.3'.14:35
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DocScrutinizer05ledpulse?14:38
DocScrutinizer05only every 4h? pah! other packages hat that every 4 MINUTES14:39
sledgesn900 just booted!14:39
sledgeson PSU, thanks DocScrutinizer0514:39
DocScrutinizer05:-)14:39
DocScrutinizer05yw14:39
sledgesnow onto another 'minor' bit: display doesn't work14:39
sledges:D14:39
sledgeswill require some disassembling :)14:40
keriowon't bme complain eventually?14:40
kerioa PSU isn't quite like a battery14:40
DocScrutinizer05sledges: once it booted, you can run it from USB14:40
sledgesnice14:40
sledgescan i launch a VNC or something?14:40
sledgesto get around non-working display problem?14:40
keriosledges: try the tv cable14:40
kerioor sure, install x11vnc14:40
sledgesok14:40
sledgeshope usb networking works, and is relatively similar to that of n914:41
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sledgesbut "let's boot again"14:41
sledgeslike we did last summer :)14:41
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sledgessad, plugged USB in, right after it gets automounted under /run/media/simonas/Nokia N90014:59
sledgesit spits usb 1-1.4: USB disconnect, device number 11014:59
sledgesand then loops14:59
sledgesover again14:59
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sledgesand when switched PSU off, juices from USB cable could not keep n900 alive <- DocScrutinizer0515:00
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sledgesLED is fine, now that I removed dead battery cell, it very briefly flashes orange upon USB connect15:01
sledgesand when boots, has the nice gradient white at first, then "breathes" orange15:01
sledgesduring boot process15:01
DocScrutinizer05that's ok15:01
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DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5773415:02
sledgesvery n9 retro-reminiscenty ;)15:02
sledgesunderstood the usb juices15:03
sledgesbut what about looping automount?..15:03
DocScrutinizer05weird15:04
sledgeswill try another PC15:04
sledgesmeans its set on usb mass storage mode15:04
sledgesdoes it interface usb eth altogether?15:04
DocScrutinizer05sorry?15:05
sledgesnvm :)15:06
sledgeswhen loop problem goes away, i guess I'll have to use TV out cable to switch from usb mass storage mode to usb networking mode15:06
sledgesso i could ssh into it15:06
sledgesor connect to a wifi..15:06
kerioget a real battery first15:07
kerioi feel that it's too awkward otherwise15:07
sledgeskerio, any of those showstopper will prevent my from doing anything with it for next days anyway :{15:07
DocScrutinizer05meh, powering by PSU is a perfect "battery"15:07
sledgesjust though I could get the max out ofų it today :)15:07
DocScrutinizer05what's wrong with the display?15:08
sledgespitch black, no backlight nothing15:09
sledgesneed to get a screwdriver15:09
sledgesbut will leave this for later, or boss will start asking questions :))15:09
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DocScrutinizer05FPC broken?15:14
sledgeshope so15:15
sledgesfriend said he managed once to have booted even with display15:15
sledgesdid not give details though15:15
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that sounds like ribbon15:16
DocScrutinizer05the really odd thing about OMAP3430: when FPC is broken, AV-out doesn't work either15:17
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sledgesgood test15:18
DocScrutinizer05maybe just a kernel issue, when primary display device can't get initialized properly and thus the driver blows chunks and doesn't even start to init video framebuffer.15:19
DocScrutinizer05It's known that even NOLO/kernel refuses to kick vibra when display flawed15:20
DocScrutinizer05prolly some sort of "beep code"15:21
sledgestrue15:21
sledgesnever felt vibra on startup15:21
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DocScrutinizer05but then, when my FPC was borked, I had very nasty artifacts on TV15:22
DocScrutinizer05which can't be caused by driver not initializing video fb15:23
DocScrutinizer05no idea how that relates15:24
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lexik_ntbHere we go :)15:33
lexik_ntbhttp://imgur.com/a/rsbNt15:33
lexik_ntbthese three photos are photoshoped15:33
lexik_ntbi can upload the other ones but they have some scratches on the screen etc.15:33
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keriolexik_ntb: goddammit that's a clean n90015:38
keriook no it's not15:38
keriobut it's much cleaner than mine15:38
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sledgeslexik_ntb, what does your mum do? :)15:43
jon_ycook the images15:43
sledgesvery nice photos15:46
lexik_ntb:D she helped me by landing a camera, these pictures will not be as good as they are when they will shooted by Nokia 5800XM :D15:47
lexik_ntbsledges: thanks :)15:48
sledgesi like how you got rid of the shadows and scratchmarks15:49
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lexik_ntbMay i create the "Neo900 photos and propagation stuff" thread? :)16:01
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lexik_ntbA16:19
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lexik_ntbfooo16:19
lexik_ntbi hate that16:19
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BCMMwhat do you use as a UPnP renderer on the Pi? media player can play stuff from UPnP servers, but it doesn't look like a control point can control it16:21
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Shapeshi1terSo, should I be using fremantle-1.3 or fremantle (talking about the extras/testing/devel repositories)16:35
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ShapeshifterNot that it mattered, because my HAM is broken... What a piece of shit, really.16:39
ShapeshifterFreshly flashed (vanilla & fiasco), first thing I did was restore a backup (everything but not "application list"), and then I installed CSSU (stable). Now I don't have any catalogues in HAM and I can't add any. Nothing happens when I add one, the list remains empty. If I click "done" it says "no catalogues in use". rootsh not installed yet, because I can't install it without any repos...16:41
Shapeshifter/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list actually contains all of them, incl. extras, community and communty-testing but HAM doesn't see them.16:41
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lexik_ntbcan you install things via apt-get?16:45
Shapeshifterlexik_ntb: I don't have root access yet16:46
goldkatzeWhere to find a list of tricks, like [ctrl]+[arrow right] jumps one word, not just one character, or circle in browser zooms, and so forth?16:46
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Shapeshifterlexik_ntb: any other method of gaining root without rootsh installed?16:46
ShapeshifterI'm restarting the device, hoping that fixes it...16:46
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Shapeshifteryeah that fixed it. good ol' windows remedy #116:50
jon_yreboot?16:50
Shapeshifteryeah16:50
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jon_yyeah since MS-DOS days16:51
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spaak1goldkatze: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures17:00
goldkatzethanks!17:00
spaak1welcome17:00
ccxCZPali: noted, though I hopefully won't need to test it in the near future :-] I used the official flasher to reflash rootfs which seemed to fix the system17:04
ccxCZPali: what I guess I'd appreciate more is more feature-rich initrd/rescueos so I could easily reformat rootfs and upload backup via rsync or something17:05
Palidue to nand/ubi/ubifs, only good way is to flash full ubifs image17:07
Paliso no support for rsync17:08
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DocScrutinizer05Shapeshifter: are you sure you have clicked the CSSU icon in appstarter?18:11
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lexik_ntbdos1: can you please upload these photos to neo900.org/photos? >> http://imgur.com/a/rsbNt19:01
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dos1lexik_ntb: sure, will do! thanks :)19:13
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dos1lexik_ntb: is 1000px wide original resolution, or rescaled by imgur?19:19
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lexik_ntbthat's original, if it is not enough, i can give you the original .tif which is much better19:27
lexik_ntblol..19:28
lexik_ntbit is not original but it is not rescaled by imgur ;)19:28
lexik_ntbdos1: i will zip them and upload them somewhere ;)19:32
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dos1ok19:39
dos1lexik_ntb: i can give you direct ftp account if you want19:39
lexik_ntbthat will be great.. i will upload more photos, thanks.19:43
lexik_ntb*would19:44
lexik_ntbooh yeah, my awesome english!19:44
dos1my isn't better ;)19:47
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Paliwhat do you think, can NSA have backdoor in rijndael cipher (selected as AES)?23:05
Wizzupbackdoor sounds silly.23:06
Wizzupbut they may be able to crack some older keys23:06
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raccoon_they seem to have reached the feasibility of cracking 1024 bit keys in a few hours23:08
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raccoon_(RSA)23:09
DocScrutinizer05won't help them when using PFS23:09
Wizzupjust get a 4096 bit key23:09
Wizzupshould be okay for now.23:10
raccoon_yup23:10
PaliWizzup: it sounds silly, but america selected Rijndael as AES standard...23:13
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Wizzupyes, and it was developed by belgians23:13
Wizzupand some dutch ppl iirc23:13
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Paliyes, but now I do not trust anything which comes from NSA...23:14
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WizzupTime to switch to Oppan BSD23:16
WizzupOppan BSD Style!23:16
Wizzupbut forgot about smp support23:16
Wizzup;-)23:16
Wizzupforget*23:16
quackquack1Pali, RC4 decryption algorithm has been leaked ages ago23:17
Paliwhy was selected Rijndael and not Serpent? Now I cannot find info about it...23:17
quackquack1Pali, RC4?23:17
PaliAES23:17
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quackquack1oh imho there are no known cryptanalysis method in the wild/zoo except brute force.23:18
quackquack1i may be wrong.23:18
quackquack1someone with crypto in-depth can help i have little knowledge23:19
NIN101Pali: from what i read, Rijndael was selected because of it's speed...23:21
Wizzupnot just speed.23:21
Wizzupbut also because of the fact you don't need seperate hardwar for encrypt and decrypt23:22
quackquack1fpga's asic's can really do it fast.23:23
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ShapeshifterThis Neo900 business...23:59
ShapeshifterVery skeptical.23:59

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