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| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: you may import the today's board snapshots from my shareservice ;-) | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | DocScrutinizer05: the link under "Maemo" should be http://maemo.org/intro/ , not http://maemo.org | 02:40 |
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| HtheB | ~seen robbiethe1st | 03:00 |
| infobot | robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@63.140.21.124> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 20h 23m 39s ago, saying: 'Moar power!'. | 03:00 |
| Win7Mac | Hi! please share your thoughts regarding the eV, I just updated the thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373011#post1373011 | 03:06 |
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| HtheB | yo quackquack | 03:25 |
| RiD | what kind of nickname is that | 03:25 |
| quackquack | hi HtheB | 03:25 |
| HtheB | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajNITiqPAKw | 03:25 |
| quackquack | xD HtheB | 03:26 |
| HtheB | :D | 03:26 |
| RiD | that's on my to watch list | 03:27 |
| Win7Mac | HtheB, you just read my recent eV post, what do you think? | 03:27 |
| HtheB | RiD: it's only 8 secs | 03:28 |
| HtheB | Win7Mac: to be honest, it was too long ehheh | 03:28 |
| HtheB | I dont even know what it was about though | 03:28 |
| RiD | no sound here :p | 03:28 |
| HtheB | Do'h! | 03:28 |
| HtheB | DJ quackquack | 03:30 |
| * quackquack listening | 03:31 | |
| Win7Mac | ehheh... dont even know what it was about... care about duck shit instead... right, should do that too instead of spending hours upon it. know what? - FU! | 03:36 |
| RiD | i did not understand a single thing of what you just said | 03:37 |
| RiD | are you saying that duck shit is hours? | 03:37 |
| quackquack | RiD, +1 | 03:37 |
| Win7Mac | right, duck shit is hours, just smoke it and ya know | 03:40 |
| RiD | smoke is duck? | 03:40 |
| Win7Mac | no, you are dick | 03:41 |
| RiD | don't call me names , you silly | 03:41 |
| RiD | call me by my nickname | 03:41 |
| Win7Mac | honestly, what do you expect? | 03:41 |
| RiD | rid | 03:42 |
| RiD | you could get RiD of me | 03:42 |
| Win7Mac | I could, but I want your input in that topic ;) | 03:43 |
| RiD | what topic | 03:43 |
| Win7Mac | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373011#post1373011 | 03:43 |
| RiD | sorry but i'm a mere user | 03:46 |
| Win7Mac | mere tmo user? mere H user? | 03:48 |
| Win7Mac | shit, it's about OUR future... | 03:48 |
| RiD | I can't help on that | 03:49 |
| Win7Mac | oh, come on! | 03:49 |
| RiD | what? | 03:49 |
| Win7Mac | yes you can! | 03:50 |
| RiD | i have no knowledge in all that burocracy mess | 03:50 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer05 sets mode: +qq Win7Mac!*@* rid!*@* | 03:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | behave! | 03:51 |
| *** DocScrutinizer05 sets mode: -qq Win7Mac!*@* rid!*@* | 03:51 | |
| RiD | lol, I wasn't being mean or anything :p | 03:52 |
| Win7Mac | no, mee to | 03:52 |
| Win7Mac | too | 03:52 |
| RiD | I'm a leecher! Only thing I ever did was that rockbox skin | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it helps: I got notification of new post in thread, and I read it and got headache trying to get it all together | 03:53 |
| Win7Mac | Doc, where can I assist? | 03:54 |
| Win7Mac | and yes, it helps | 03:55 |
| Win7Mac | since you at least can read the draft | 03:55 |
| Win7Mac | basically, I don't know what do any more | 03:56 |
| Win7Mac | I'm a bit frustrated with this since input is so low | 03:56 |
| Win7Mac | board decided and I'm left alone with it... :( | 03:57 |
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| Win7Mac | Doc, please refrain from tearing my post appart in the thread, please comment here instead and allow me to correct mayself if you think I'm wrong here or there | 04:07 |
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| HtheB | Win7Mac: my future isn't based on a OS... | 04:12 |
| HtheB | I have a life you know ;) | 04:12 |
| HtheB | I'm here for fun, and to help people if someone needs help | 04:13 |
| HtheB | and yeah, a little duck is always awesome, right quackquack and RiD ? | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: I caan't comment and for sure I won't tear it into pieces. I'm just amazed by your endurance to push this. I resigned several months ago | 04:14 |
| * quackquack nods HtheB | 04:14 | |
| Win7Mac | HtheB, if you get active on tmo as mod, how can you ignore HiFo? | 04:14 |
| RiD | HtheB ehh...sure | 04:15 |
| mashina | mallards? | 04:15 |
| HtheB | im just banning spambot | 04:15 |
| Win7Mac | oh, thats it? | 04:15 |
| HtheB | and merging threads and stuff | 04:15 |
| HtheB | im not into all the other stuff | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: frustration is a poor argument to convice others to help. I know since I've been there | 04:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and HiFo got a very bad taste for most of community members, thanks to last term | 04:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not a surprise that feedback and enthusiasm is low | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is to convince community that HiFo is a good thing and can be fun and perspective | 04:18 |
| Win7Mac | Doc, amazed by my endurance? - board thinks this is the right way to go and since I'm the only one left to help in that regard since chemist lesft for holliday and whatnot | 04:18 |
| HtheB | 90% of the users skips it anyway, it's something that a normal user doesnt even understand what it is about | 04:18 |
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| Win7Mac | right, and I want to help | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 04:19 |
| Win7Mac | I just hit busses instead | 04:19 |
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| Win7Mac | :-( | 04:20 |
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| HtheB | Win7Mac: I thought you wanted some war... | 04:21 |
| Win7Mac | no, discussion | 04:22 |
| Win7Mac | more like community backup | 04:22 |
| HtheB | You ain't helping anybody if you call people dick.... | 04:22 |
| Win7Mac | sorry | 04:22 |
| RiD | :o I'm sure he didn't mean it | 04:22 |
| HtheB | this also makes influance of your reputation | 04:22 |
| Win7Mac | right, sorry again, I was emberrassed | 04:23 |
| HtheB | still, just because I'm not into something.. | 04:23 |
| HtheB | ok | 04:23 |
| HtheB | appology accepted | 04:23 |
| HtheB | so, what is all the stuff about anyway? | 04:23 |
| Win7Mac | get the money to where it is needed + accesible | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo community needs somebody who got the "power" to sign contracts for us all | 04:24 |
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| Win7Mac | and get the HiFo under EU instead of PA state laws | 04:25 |
| HtheB | eu stinks as much as PA | 04:25 |
| Win7Mac | Doc, right! | 04:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HtheB: why do you say EU stinks? what's wrong? | 04:26 |
| Win7Mac | HtheB, I don't think so | 04:26 |
| HtheB | the EU is going down soon.. believe me :) | 04:26 |
| HtheB | econimical crisis and stuff :) | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't worry about that | 04:26 |
| RiD | portugal will save it | 04:26 |
| RiD | *cough* | 04:26 |
| Win7Mac | LOL | 04:26 |
| HtheB | exactly... | 04:26 |
| HtheB | a couple countries will survive it | 04:27 |
| HtheB | like China | 04:27 |
| HtheB | Turkey | 04:27 |
| RiD | and portugal | 04:27 |
| HtheB | anyway, this channel is about Maemo, not about political stuff | 04:28 |
| HtheB | neither about Hildon foundation | 04:28 |
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| Win7Mac | and the US ofc... | 04:28 |
| HtheB | all I care is my life and my family and friends :) | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HtheB: you missed the point here | 04:29 |
| HtheB | nothing more, nothing less | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HiFo *is* maemo | 04:29 |
| HtheB | no its not :) | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then sth is wrong | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since it's meant to be | 04:30 |
| HtheB | what will hildon foundation do for me? :) | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it got invented to be maemo for all that matters regarding signing contracts and handling money | 04:31 |
| Win7Mac | pay for the infra e.g | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HtheB: pay for the servers? | 04:31 |
| HtheB | i dont care about that | 04:31 |
| HtheB | again: if maemo closes, my life isn't over :) | 04:31 |
| Macer | Compatible with 2G & 3G HSDPA 850/900/1900/2100 & 4G 800/900/1800/1900/2100/2600 | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, then why do you moderate tmo? | 04:32 |
| Macer | i still don't understand what t-mobile uses | 04:32 |
| HtheB | to help people, I like that | 04:32 |
| Macer | don't they use 1700 for 4G? | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HtheB: you're starting to sound silly | 04:32 |
| HtheB | why is that? :) | 04:32 |
| HtheB | Maemo is starting to die.... | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because you say you love using tmo but you don't see how HiFo paying tmo is any good for you | 04:33 |
| HtheB | i didn't say I love... | 04:33 |
| HtheB | I love my family and friends :) | 04:33 |
| HtheB | like and love are 2 different words | 04:33 |
| HtheB | tmo is full of trolls nowadays | 04:33 |
| HtheB | no announcement of awesome stuff | 04:34 |
| Win7Mac | no, helping others is a good thing, no matter if its on tmo or here on IRC - each his own, but still we have smth in common with a "higher2 goal, right? | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh | 04:34 |
| HtheB | higher goal? I'm not looking for a higher goal | 04:34 |
| RiD | HtheB we got many things already | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no awesome announcements anymore?? | 04:34 |
| HtheB | still missing 1 little thing | 04:35 |
| RiD | you can't announce something new that has already been done | 04:35 |
| HtheB | which is on harmattan | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, what announcements do you need to think "wow"? | 04:35 |
| RiD | HtheB what thing? | 04:35 |
| HtheB | binding volume buttons to media volume always | 04:35 |
| RiD | eh | 04:35 |
| HtheB | no one could get this to work :) | 04:36 |
| Win7Mac | HtheB: no major harmattan progress without maemo.org I guess?! | 04:36 |
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| HtheB | Win7Mac: oh yes... :) | 04:36 |
| RiD | i think some players support it, HtheB | 04:36 |
| HtheB | powerpack didnt come from tmo :) | 04:36 |
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| HtheB | there are many other forums that have some better support (in their own language) | 04:37 |
| Win7Mac | and as Doc stated, maemo is tied to HiFo already | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HtheB: night fellow, your negativism doesn't please me right now, so I'm off | 04:37 |
| HtheB | nite doc | 04:37 |
| HtheB | soon im going to Jolla | 04:38 |
| HtheB | I'm wondering if jolla will make an official forum | 04:38 |
| Win7Mac | guess what, me too, very likely | 04:38 |
| RiD | to be honest, and it's only my opinion, jolla doesn't really please me | 04:39 |
| HtheB | it does for me | 04:39 |
| HtheB | android apps without having android :) | 04:39 |
| Win7Mac | nobody can tell anything so far, so we'll see | 04:39 |
| RiD | you'll still have android parts :/ | 04:39 |
| HtheB | RiD: care | 04:40 |
| HtheB | android + html5 + qt | 04:40 |
| RiD | one thing android is horrible at is ui/ux | 04:40 |
| HtheB | again: care | 04:40 |
| Macer | http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart | 04:40 |
| Macer | ugh | 04:40 |
| HtheB | I just need some apps that aren't available for maemo/meego | 04:40 |
| Macer | why must t-mobile use their oddball freq | 04:40 |
| Macer | :-/ | 04:40 |
| Macer | it really ruins lives heh | 04:40 |
| HtheB | Macer: guess frequencies are better over here :P they all uses the same | 04:41 |
| Macer | HtheB: i'm sure they do | 04:41 |
| Macer | T-Mobile US uses 1700/AWS for hspda+ | 04:41 |
| Macer | so it makes finding a device a bit more difficult | 04:41 |
| Macer | well.. finding an unlocked functional device vs a branded one | 04:41 |
| HtheB | RiD: so what if you have android parts? | 04:41 |
| HtheB | does it hurt you? | 04:42 |
| RiD | yes, it hurts my heart | 04:42 |
| HtheB | then dont use a phone at all :) | 04:42 |
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| RiD | no, i'm just more concerned about how will android ui blend with jolla | 04:42 |
| HtheB | it will run in a sandbox | 04:42 |
| HtheB | so im sure they have their own 'theme' with it | 04:42 |
| RiD | it'll look like android i guess | 04:43 |
| HtheB | yes... ofcourse ¬¬ | 04:43 |
| RiD | hehe | 04:43 |
| HtheB | no shit :P | 04:43 |
| HtheB | sherlock | 04:43 |
| HtheB | anyway | 04:43 |
| HtheB | im just pissed off still no hwkeyb | 04:43 |
| HtheB | even though marc said he wants to see hwkeyb on phones... | 04:44 |
| Win7Mac | anyway, this is about as much as I can do regarding the eV without further feedback/assistance from communty | 04:44 |
| RiD | i don't think i'll switch to touchscreen keyboards anytime soon | 04:44 |
| RiD | it's just....horrible | 04:45 |
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| RiD | and me being a reasonably fast typer at computers and my n900, i get pissed off when trying to type on touchscreen | 04:45 |
| HtheB | its ok, for typing a word or 2 | 04:45 |
| HtheB | but, thats it | 04:45 |
| RiD | it makes me want to throw it out of the window so hard it hits a plane | 04:46 |
| HtheB | RiD: n900 sucks at vkeyb | 04:46 |
| HtheB | harmattan is a lot better | 04:46 |
| RiD | i tried many android keyboards | 04:46 |
| HtheB | use ios | 04:46 |
| RiD | tablet size, smartphone, etc | 04:46 |
| HtheB | it is working very well somehow | 04:46 |
| HtheB | it is really weird that I make typing errors on vkeyb (a lot) | 04:46 |
| HtheB | but on ios, somehow i always type right :/ | 04:47 |
| HtheB | and no auto correction | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: get help by your board colleagues. There is GeneralAntilles and Jaffa and Woody14619, all with a history in council and thus some idea about how to talk to community | 04:47 |
| HtheB | btw, before starting to say about apple: I dont like Apple, dont have anything from apple in my home either | 04:47 |
| RiD | i barely make mistakes on my n900 | 04:47 |
| RiD | physical feedback is wonderful | 04:47 |
| HtheB | RiD: thats why I still wait for hwkeyb phone | 04:48 |
| HtheB | Motorola is bringing out one soon... but not in the EU i suppose | 04:48 |
| HtheB | 5row hwkeyboaaaaard! | 04:48 |
| RiD | yeh just us, sprint or verizon | 04:48 |
| HtheB | anyway, i should go to sleep | 04:48 |
| HtheB | almost 4 am ¬_¬ | 04:48 |
| RiD | i am pretty good with the n900's keyboard :) | 04:49 |
| RiD | instant *click* when i first tried it | 04:49 |
| HtheB | good with what? good with licking the keyboard? fine | 04:49 |
| HtheB | :D | 04:49 |
| RiD | what | 04:49 |
| RiD | no, so good i had to change keyboard because the other worn off like mad | 04:49 |
| HtheB | then youre not good | 04:49 |
| HtheB | I use my keyboard gentle :) | 04:50 |
| HtheB | got 4 laying here :P | 04:50 |
| RiD | gentle does not mean fast | 04:50 |
| HtheB | i type fast | 04:50 |
| HtheB | but if you use with dirty hands, the letters can tear off yeah | 04:50 |
| RiD | we'll see | 04:50 |
| RiD | you calling me filthy, boy?! | 04:50 |
| HtheB | n950 keyboard is btter | 04:50 |
| HtheB | RiD: yeah, bad boy! | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeew | 04:51 |
| RiD | something on the other keyboard was different anyways | 04:51 |
| RiD | this one hasn't worn off yet | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n950 is exactly place two on my all time top ten of awful keyboards | 04:51 |
| RiD | the other one's backspace key was heart shattering | 04:51 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer05: I LOOOOOOOVE it | 04:51 |
| HtheB | types better then n900 | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no way | 04:51 |
| HtheB | the keys are more easy to press | 04:52 |
| RiD | give me one so i can tell you | 04:52 |
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| RiD | i'll break the damned guiness world record for fastest sms! | 04:52 |
| HtheB | the n900 are to close | 04:52 |
| RiD | "guiness world record" what | 04:52 |
| HtheB | after typing on the n950, the n900 feels tiny | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, so easy to press that you can press 3 at once. And doing so is usual since the keys have no taktile feedback of where one ends and other one starts | 04:52 |
| HtheB | i dont know what fingers you have, but my keys does have tactile feedback | 04:53 |
| HtheB | i can just type blind | 04:53 |
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| HtheB_ | here | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | about as much tactile feedback as a touchscreen | 04:54 |
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| HtheB_n950 | errr. no | 04:54 |
| HtheB_n950 | not at all | 04:54 |
| RiD | and so, the battle has begun | 04:54 |
| HtheB_n950 | i really like this | 04:54 |
| HtheB_n950 | more space | 04:55 |
| HtheB_n950 | 4 rows... | 04:55 |
| HtheB_n950 | instead of 3 | 04:55 |
| HtheB_n950 | also, more easy to use with special chars like òÎö and stuff | 04:55 |
| RiD | don't split your sentence into 10 different messages | 04:55 |
| RiD | óÎõéî | 04:55 |
| HtheB_n950 | thats what happens when you try to type fast on the phone | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I thought when I first seen the N950 kbd... until I started typing on it | 04:55 |
| HtheB_n950 | you didn't use it for real then | 04:56 |
| HtheB_n950 | use it everyday, and you'll be amazed | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I won't use a device with aegis on a daily basis | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gives me cancer | 04:56 |
| Wulfe | lol | 04:56 |
| HtheB_n950 | DocScrutinizer05, aegis doesnt do anything to me | 04:56 |
| HtheB_n950 | openmode, inception should be enough | 04:57 |
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| Win7Mac | coderus' aegis installer! | 04:57 |
| HtheB_n950 | i dont like him | 04:57 |
| HtheB_n950 | very selfish | 04:57 |
| Win7Mac | *hack | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using computers since 40 years now, and since at least 20 years I'm pissed by anything that doesn't feel and work like unix. And now I shall get used to this aegis shit? no way | 04:58 |
| HtheB_n950 | DocScrutinizer05, you're getting old | 04:59 |
| HtheB_n950 | just ace the truth | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed I'm too old for that shit | 04:59 |
| HtheB_n950 | thats why you couldnt handle n950 keyb | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe | 05:00 |
| Win7Mac | he just keeps that for GTA05 ;) | 05:00 |
| RiD | DocScrutinizer05 that line! | 05:01 |
| Win7Mac | in an awesome new N950/e7 style shiny new device ;) | 05:01 |
| HtheB_n950 | gta 5 coming out soon | 05:01 |
| RiD | in pink | 05:01 |
| Win7Mac | ROTFL | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e7 maybe | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n950 we don't get any parts for | 05:02 |
| RiD | put an n900 in an n950 body | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TI still doesn't really sell omap5 in mass^h to the masses | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so we will start GTA05 next year the earliest | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omap4 is shite | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SiErr that TI refuses to fix | 05:04 |
| HtheB_n950 | snapdragon 800 ftw | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possible | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but snapdragon isn't an "open" chip I think | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know you don't care about open | 05:05 |
| HtheB_n950 | what if its not open? | 05:05 |
| HtheB_n950 | hahahh | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then we can't use it since we don't know how. The simple truth | 05:05 |
| HtheB_n950 | hmmm | 05:06 |
| HtheB_n950 | it should be documented though | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should, uhuh | 05:06 |
| Win7Mac | anyway, with latest Nokia/M$ deal, we may have new perspectives, esp. regarding Jolla/Sailfish as a future Nokia target | 05:06 |
| HtheB_n950 | but i dont like totally closed though, like wp and ios | 05:06 |
| HtheB_n950 | what about newkia | 05:06 |
| HtheB_n950 | ? | 05:06 |
| Win7Mac | if they decide to come back in 2016 | 05:07 |
| RiD | newkia is just blabla | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? future nokia target? plase elaborate | 05:07 |
| RiD | look at the name | 05:07 |
| Win7Mac | Jolla | 05:07 |
| HtheB_n950 | hollaaaa if you jollaaaa | 05:08 |
| Win7Mac | I cannot imagine Nokia would never ever make handsets again | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nokia will build windows phones! | 05:08 |
| RiD | ^ | 05:09 |
| Win7Mac | LOL | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just now it's owned by MS | 05:09 |
| RiD | and they'll talk at how great their camera is | 05:09 |
| RiD | but nothing else | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which makes perfect sense for building MS err windblows phones | 05:09 |
| Win7Mac | AFAIK, from 2016 on, they can sell new HW under different names | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and MS will make sure that each nokia phone has a proper convenient backdoor for NSA | 05:11 |
| RiD | that's what i'm less worried about | 05:11 |
| HtheB_n950 | windows was OK, untill 8 came out | 05:11 |
| HtheB_n950 | -_- | 05:11 |
| HtheB_n950 | nsa kiss my ass | 05:11 |
| HtheB_n950 | i dont care | 05:11 |
| RiD | 8 is better than 7 in many aspects, but they decided to also put the whole "modern"ui crap on it | 05:12 |
| Win7Mac | I'm talking about whats left of Nokia, Finland, not the part that moved to M$ | 05:12 |
| HtheB_n950 | Win7Mac: nothing left over there | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the part that left is about network | 05:12 |
| HtheB_n950 | NSN | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bts etc | 05:12 |
| HtheB_n950 | DocScrutinizer05, soon.... | 05:13 |
| HtheB_n950 | www.HtheB.com | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 05:13 |
| HtheB_n950 | soon they'll take over NSN too | 05:13 |
| HtheB_n950 | (networking part) | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever that is | 05:13 |
| RiD | HtheB_n950 do you have a site only to display that image? | 05:14 |
| HtheB_n950 | refresh RiD | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is nokia network branch called NSN? | 05:14 |
| RiD | oh god | 05:14 |
| HtheB_n950 | DocScrutinizer05, yes. Nokia Siemens Networking | 05:14 |
| RiD | you gotta be kidding me LOL | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah yes | 05:14 |
| Win7Mac | right, and I cannot imagine they will not retry their efforts with another handset as soon as they can... | 05:15 |
| HtheB_n950 | RiD, my website will go live soon again | 05:15 |
| RiD | www.htheb.com/images/26.jpg that one scares me | 05:15 |
| RiD | sweet dreams x_x | 05:15 |
| HtheB_n950 | :D | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: they got no name, no OS, no inhouse competence and knowhow | 05:16 |
| Win7Mac | they just buy Jolla | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAHA | 05:16 |
| HtheB_n950 | microsoft changed | 05:17 |
| Win7Mac | They have billions now | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they always had | 05:17 |
| HtheB_n950 | before it was: if you can't beat them, join them | 05:17 |
| HtheB_n950 | now it is: if you can't beat them, buy them | 05:17 |
| Win7Mac | 5-10 billion Euro | 05:17 |
| HtheB_n950 | or, in this case: if you can't beat them, sneak in, break it, buy them | 05:18 |
| RiD | at a cheaper price | 05:19 |
| HtheB_n950 | yeah | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't that what hedgefunds always do? | 05:19 |
| Win7Mac | Jolla would be ~10 mio? 100 mio - no prob! | 05:19 |
| HtheB_n950 | i dont understand why the EU does accept this? | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe they don't? | 05:19 |
| HtheB_n950 | ms already gave money | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | their problem ;-P | 05:20 |
| HtheB_n950 | the deal is already done afaik | 05:20 |
| HtheB_n950 | a big maffia game.... | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, needs to get accepted by EU ldqjelsxebudu commission | 05:20 |
| RiD | remember when nokia's plan was to do more maemo/meego flagship smartphones? | 05:20 |
| Win7Mac | NSN still has acces to all of Nokias patents AFAIK | 05:20 |
| HtheB_n950 | elop stated that nokia wouldnt sell their stuff to microsoft | 05:21 |
| HtheB_n950 | and yet they did | 05:21 |
| Win7Mac | and can sell to others even | 05:21 |
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| HtheB_n950 | RiD, www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeiFF0gvqcc | 05:22 |
| HtheB_n950 | Win7Mac, they have patents yes | 05:22 |
| HtheB_n950 | but not all | 05:22 |
| HtheB_n950 | MS has the mobile shit | 05:22 |
| HtheB_n950 | MS, the new patent troll | 05:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN! spam on techstaff account | 05:23 |
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| RiD | HtheB_n950 no thanks. Celldweller, The Crystal Method or others alike. Nothing else | 05:23 |
| quackquack | quackquack1, haha, imma real quackquack | 05:23 |
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| HtheB | quack | 05:24 |
| *** HtheB is now known as RiD | 05:24 | |
| quackquack | RiD, it was about 'do you remember the time' of the meego flagship | 05:24 |
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| RiD | i know, but still | 05:24 |
| HtheB | mj ftw | 05:24 |
| RiD | i am extremely picky in musics | 05:24 |
| quackquack1 | i got clones? | 05:25 |
| RiD | apparently | 05:25 |
| Win7Mac | OK, gn guys o/ | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, foeca dead? | 05:25 |
| RiD | xoxo muah muah | 05:26 |
| HtheB | heheh | 05:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | forecaWeather even | 05:26 |
| quackquack | sup doc? | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: night! | 05:26 |
| quackquack | night Win7Mac | 05:27 |
| RiD | how about omweather | 05:27 |
| quackquack | what spam? | 05:27 |
| quackquack | quackquack1 | 05:27 |
| quackquack1 | ?? | 05:27 |
| quackquack | quackquack2? | 05:27 |
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| quackquack1 | 0wn3d. | 05:28 |
| quackquack1 | ;-) | 05:28 |
| RiD | hehe | 05:28 |
| quackquack1 | lol | 05:28 |
| RiD | ghost? | 05:28 |
| * quackquack1 nods | 05:28 | |
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| HtheB | darn it | 05:28 |
| HtheB | client crashed | 05:28 |
| quackquack1 | lol | 05:28 |
| RiD | oh | 05:28 |
| quackquack1 | sorry | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, my internet on n900 is borked again :-( | 05:29 |
| HtheB | what happened quackquack1? | 05:29 |
| HtheB | you did something? | 05:29 |
| quackquack1 | nothing special | 05:29 |
| HtheB | :P then sorry from my side | 05:29 |
| HtheB | oh wait, quackquack is gone too | 05:30 |
| quackquack1 | xP xD | 05:30 |
| quackquack1 | sad | 05:30 |
| HtheB | thought you had to wait for quackquack to be gone | 05:30 |
| HtheB | so.... | 05:30 |
| RiD | DocScrutinizer05 3g or wifi? | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, now I finally diagnosed it: DNS doesn't work, internet is fine | 05:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wifi | 05:30 |
| quackquack | quackquack | 05:31 |
| RiD | my router likes to take a break from dns sometimes | 05:31 |
| RiD | i hate that | 05:31 |
| quackquack | quck | 05:31 |
| quackquack | quack | 05:31 |
| RiD | (router/modem combo) | 05:31 |
| quackquack | quack quack | 05:31 |
| quackquack | RiD | 05:32 |
| RiD | quackquack | 05:32 |
| quackquack | quackquack | 05:32 |
| RiD | ?? | 05:32 |
| quackquack | quack | 05:32 |
| RiD | you should go to sleep | 05:32 |
| quackquack | ._. yeah | 05:32 |
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| HtheB | night all | 05:32 |
| HtheB | :D | 05:32 |
| HtheB | quack! | 05:33 |
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| quackquack1 | night | 05:33 |
| RiD | he has been tamed | 05:33 |
| RiD | I can proceed with my life now | 05:33 |
| quackquack1 | friggin openwrt takes so much space. | 05:33 |
| RiD | or what's left of it :v | 05:33 |
| quackquack1 | just waiting for WW-III to kick off. | 05:35 |
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| HtheB_zzz | quack | 05:36 |
| quackquack1 | yep | 05:44 |
| Macer | quackquack1: build it youtself? | 05:45 |
| quackquack1 | yep | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, evidently something around dnsmasq blows chunks | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I can't tell for sure what | 05:48 |
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| Macer | i love sociality | 06:23 |
| Macer | wish it was still maintained | 06:23 |
| Macer | best fb client ever heh | 06:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it's MohammadAG you need to pester about it | 06:32 |
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| jonwil | oooh, look what I found with google http://pastie.org/pastes/1149931 | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: nice | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a shame that http://www.wirelessmodemapi.com/ is down | 06:57 |
| jonwil | I still have bits and pieces of headers from there | 06:59 |
| jonwil | I have zips from there and other info | 06:59 |
| jonwil | which is only of value if you care about the actual isi interface to the modem | 06:59 |
| jonwil | and by and large we dont need to care about that so much | 07:00 |
| jonwil | I do for example have the exact header file matching the N900 cellular modem GPS interface | 07:01 |
| jonwil | and I think the matching one for a few other modem interfaces | 07:01 |
| jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91313 | 07:02 |
| jonwil | More to come in that thread :) | 07:02 |
| jonwil | which btw I linked from in the FPTF thread | 07:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: I see we talked about it 14 months ago, in another channel | 07:06 |
| jonwil | hmmm, ok | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm trying to locate the wirelessmodemapi shit on my PC, but no idea where to look ;-D | 07:06 |
| jonwil | http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G1%20V2%2010w49.zip http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V1%2010w49.zip http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V2%2011w05.zip http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V3%2011w25.zip | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and what you posted on pastie was not included in that zip stuff? | 07:10 |
| jonwil | that wasn't my paste | 07:15 |
| jonwil | it was something I randomly found with google | 07:15 |
| jonwil | just now | 07:15 |
| jonwil | seems like I found it before | 07:15 |
| jonwil | but forgot I found it (and discussed it in this channel) | 07:15 |
| jonwil | isi_info is higher level than the wirelessmodemapi stuff | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Ruby on Rails 10.09.2010 <-- that's a joke, no? | 07:20 |
| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer05, huh? | 07:27 |
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| jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373026#post1373026 | 07:59 |
| jonwil | Thats a good start for documenting the cellular services daemon dbus calls :) | 07:59 |
| jonwil | nothing new there really but its good to have it in the one place :) | 08:00 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: i can't ban and delete those whose accounts are >90 days (i did ban the user as a spambot). I can't also edit/delete posts+threads in sub-forums for which i am not a moderator. As of now the only sub-forums where i have privs are general, community, n9/950, meego/harmattan, n900 as well as the whole alternatives sub-forums. i used to have sailfish but when chemist re-jigged its location i lost privs. the thread which you | 08:00 |
| thedead1440 | deleted was in games; a sub-forum without any moderator. hence admin or super-mod privs required on such sub-forums. I have previously asked for the latter but was told not to ask for too much :D | 08:00 |
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| lexik_n900 | Maybe we can create a new section on TMO named "Neo900"? There are three threads about it, and it is probably going to be more | 08:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a reasonable request | 09:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: please consider creating wiki pages, otherwise contributions by others will be sparse and rare, and scattered all over the place | 09:47 |
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| mike-hun | hi there.have problems with the Rapuyama chip,i suspect,that is foobar.any way how to get a replacement? | 11:16 |
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| mike-hun | it is in a n900,rx51 2104 uk | 11:17 |
| mike-hun | try to reball,but if I can't how to buy it? | 11:17 |
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| mike-hun | any idea?this rapuyama ic is the cellular modem. | 11:23 |
| mike-hun | saw this spring fixing method,but I'd like a permanent solution. | 11:24 |
| mike-hun | thank you for the answers. | 11:25 |
| kerio | mike-hun: i think your only chance is to buy a new n900 - and at that point, you might as well use it | 11:33 |
| kerio | i don't think anyone has ever been successful in reballing it | 11:33 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: *rapuyama reball poke* | 11:34 |
| Macer | is there a maemo fics client? | 11:34 |
| kerio | one of the linux ones maybe | 11:35 |
| Macer | hm. i looked on the repos. i dont see one | 11:35 |
| Macer | something with a front end | 11:35 |
| Macer | wow | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure I ever seen bb5 chips for sale. For sure not nowadays | 11:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | simply reflowing the chip might already help | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it's wise to unsolder and reball rapuyama | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw ir might as well be retu(?) | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it* | 11:37 |
| Macer | hm | 11:39 |
| Macer | miniature is in devel | 11:39 |
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| ds_shadof | Just bought new n900 32gb for about 200$. Is it good price? | 12:20 |
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| Apic | Yes. | 12:20 |
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| Apic | I paid over 500⬠IIRC Easter 2010 | 12:21 |
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| ds_shadof | uff, now i'm fine, definitely not overpayed | 12:24 |
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| Raimu | I bought mine for about $200 too | 12:26 |
| Raimu | Never regreg | 12:26 |
| Raimu | *regret | 12:26 |
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| sledges | hello | 13:22 |
| sledges | just got an n900 from a friend | 13:22 |
| Apic | Nice. | 13:22 |
| sledges | sadly it won't turn on | 13:23 |
| sledges | measured voltage across battery - 0.2... | 13:23 |
| sledges | LED shows green with USB plugged (with or without battery) | 13:23 |
| sledges | but battery won't charge itself.. | 13:23 |
| sledges | might be dead.. | 13:23 |
| sledges | any games I could play now before obtaining an external charger or new battery? | 13:24 |
| sledges | got a bench PSU could wire it up :) | 13:24 |
| sledges | also measured the battery connector pins on the phone - no juices from there either when USB plugged | 13:25 |
| sledges | either there's some logic to first read battery status and then start to charge it.. | 13:26 |
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| sledges | or charging itself is knackered | 13:26 |
| sledges | (remember, LED is always green, never seen it orange..) | 13:26 |
| sledges | will try to needle-pin probe when battery is inserted in a minute.. | 13:27 |
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| sledges | ok the voltage between pin 1 and pin 3 is 0.7V when battery is supposedly being charged | 13:34 |
| sledges | sorry | 13:35 |
| sledges | pin 2 (-) and pin 3 (no label) | 13:35 |
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| Pali | ~seen nicolai | 13:40 |
| infobot | Pali: i haven't seen 'nicolai' | 13:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((either there's some logic to first read battery status and then start to charge it..)) yep, exactly | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | green LED however is weird | 13:47 |
| sledges | I'm tempted to clamp up a 3.7V PSU | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead | 13:47 |
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| sledges | too impatient to wait days for batteries/ext.chargers :) | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just watch out for the right pins! | 13:48 |
| sledges | thanks | 13:48 |
| sledges | i already mixed them up :D | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | + is outer, - middle(!) contact | 13:48 |
| sledges | yes | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BSI: pin3 | 13:49 |
| sledges | the + and - measured 0.7 once battery in and usb plugged | 13:49 |
| sledges | BSI - sounds like logic part of my peugeot :D | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and duh, you probably won't have much fun without a 75kR between BSI and - | 13:49 |
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| sledges | 75kΩ ? | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 13:50 |
| sledges | right | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you *could* slaughter your busted battery | 13:51 |
| sledges | thanks DocScrutinizer05 :) will see what's in the shed | 13:51 |
| sledges | (if I wire PSU with battery in? no, I won't go that way) | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | remove cell | 13:51 |
| sledges | yup | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | keep the protective circuit and 75kR | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty easy to disassemble those batteries | 13:52 |
| sledges | understood | 13:52 |
| jon_y | n900 refuse to boot without 75KR? | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 13:53 |
| sledges | pondering maybe battery is not dead, only charging circuit broken. need to wait for ext charger from a friend beforehand | 13:53 |
| jon_y | ok | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0V7? DEADBEEF | 13:53 |
| sledges | oke 0xDEADBEEF then | 13:53 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: my battery is from 2010 | 13:54 |
| sledges | 0.2V when measured removed battery itself | 13:54 |
| jon_y | should I get a new one? | 13:54 |
| jon_y | or can it go on forever? | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: dunno. Why? | 13:54 |
| sledges | 0.7V is phone's attempt to charge it. maybe it's phone's charging circuit not giving out more? | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seen batteries that were 7 years old and in near perfect condition | 13:54 |
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| jon_y | ok | 13:55 |
| jon_y | I was just wondering if it was considered old already | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sledges: the bq24150 probes battery during iirc 20ms, then throws error "no battery" or "broken" or whatever | 13:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sledges: your constant green however might be a yellow with broken red LED | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sledges: anyway LiIon cells with <2V are considered dead and must not get recharged | 13:59 |
| sledges | DocScrutinizer05, time to gut-dissect it :) | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, particularly since protective circuit might have cut out and cell voltage is actually still good | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but probably isn't | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prot circuit blocks charging when cell voltage too low | 14:01 |
| kerio | what happens if you try to charge a LiIon cell with <2V? | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it also blocks discharging when cell voltage reaches lower limit, which is ~2.2..2.4V | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: it might vent and catch fire | 14:02 |
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| kerio | D: | 14:02 |
| kerio | that's not good! | 14:02 |
| kerio | considering the protective circuit, how the hell do you get a BL-5J to 0.7V? | 14:02 |
| kerio | sledges: are you sure you measured between + and -? | 14:03 |
| sledges | kerio, measured all combos | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | discharge to limit, then store away for months | 14:03 |
| sledges | + and - gives out 0.2 and now even less | 14:03 |
| sledges | once I removed prot circuit | 14:03 |
| sledges | and measured between terminals directly | 14:03 |
| sledges | it gives 0.04 | 14:03 |
| sledges | DocScrutinizer05, it has been stored away for months | 14:05 |
| sledges | &) | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~batteryfaq | 14:06 |
| infobot | batteryfaq is probably http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers | 14:06 |
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| lexik_ntb | O.K. photos for neo900 are done. Now i'm going to edit them a little in photoshop (sorry, or gimp maybe) - then i will upload them, in my opinion they are better than the official Nokia photos :D [BIG THANKS TO MY MOM :D] | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lexik_ntb: just ideally don't spam the thread with lots of photos, rather create a new thread or post an URL only | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | theard that have posts with huge [img][/img] embedded photos are a PITA to read on e.g. N900. Post that [quote] those posts with lots of [img] are a major annoyance | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: could vBulletin learn to not quote [img] tags? | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, it already doesn't quote [quote] | 14:28 |
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| kerio | lexik_ntb: make an imgur album maybe | 14:29 |
| lexik_ntb | imgur is what im going to do | 14:29 |
| lexik_ntb | than i will send you the link and dos1 will upload it to neo900.org/photos | 14:30 |
| Pali | ~seen _nicolai_ | 14:35 |
| infobot | _nicolai_ <~nicolai@pop8-1810.catv.wtnet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 58d 17h 30m 18s ago, saying: 'merlin1991, please do so. It is for my "ledpulse" package. maemo package interface says: "old version cleaned ..." every 4 hourse. The newest version to import is ledpulse 0.3'. | 14:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ledpulse? | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only every 4h? pah! other packages hat that every 4 MINUTES | 14:39 |
| sledges | n900 just booted! | 14:39 |
| sledges | on PSU, thanks DocScrutinizer05 | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 14:39 |
| sledges | now onto another 'minor' bit: display doesn't work | 14:39 |
| sledges | :D | 14:39 |
| sledges | will require some disassembling :) | 14:40 |
| kerio | won't bme complain eventually? | 14:40 |
| kerio | a PSU isn't quite like a battery | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sledges: once it booted, you can run it from USB | 14:40 |
| sledges | nice | 14:40 |
| sledges | can i launch a VNC or something? | 14:40 |
| sledges | to get around non-working display problem? | 14:40 |
| kerio | sledges: try the tv cable | 14:40 |
| kerio | or sure, install x11vnc | 14:40 |
| sledges | ok | 14:40 |
| sledges | hope usb networking works, and is relatively similar to that of n9 | 14:41 |
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| sledges | but "let's boot again" | 14:41 |
| sledges | like we did last summer :) | 14:41 |
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| sledges | sad, plugged USB in, right after it gets automounted under /run/media/simonas/Nokia N900 | 14:59 |
| sledges | it spits usb 1-1.4: USB disconnect, device number 110 | 14:59 |
| sledges | and then loops | 14:59 |
| sledges | over again | 14:59 |
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| sledges | and when switched PSU off, juices from USB cable could not keep n900 alive <- DocScrutinizer05 | 15:00 |
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| sledges | LED is fine, now that I removed dead battery cell, it very briefly flashes orange upon USB connect | 15:01 |
| sledges | and when boots, has the nice gradient white at first, then "breathes" orange | 15:01 |
| sledges | during boot process | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's ok | 15:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 | 15:02 |
| sledges | very n9 retro-reminiscenty ;) | 15:02 |
| sledges | understood the usb juices | 15:03 |
| sledges | but what about looping automount?.. | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird | 15:04 |
| sledges | will try another PC | 15:04 |
| sledges | means its set on usb mass storage mode | 15:04 |
| sledges | does it interface usb eth altogether? | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 15:05 |
| sledges | nvm :) | 15:06 |
| sledges | when loop problem goes away, i guess I'll have to use TV out cable to switch from usb mass storage mode to usb networking mode | 15:06 |
| sledges | so i could ssh into it | 15:06 |
| sledges | or connect to a wifi.. | 15:06 |
| kerio | get a real battery first | 15:07 |
| kerio | i feel that it's too awkward otherwise | 15:07 |
| sledges | kerio, any of those showstopper will prevent my from doing anything with it for next days anyway :{ | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, powering by PSU is a perfect "battery" | 15:07 |
| sledges | just though I could get the max out ofų it today :) | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's wrong with the display? | 15:08 |
| sledges | pitch black, no backlight nothing | 15:09 |
| sledges | need to get a screwdriver | 15:09 |
| sledges | but will leave this for later, or boss will start asking questions :)) | 15:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FPC broken? | 15:14 |
| sledges | hope so | 15:15 |
| sledges | friend said he managed once to have booted even with display | 15:15 |
| sledges | did not give details though | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that sounds like ribbon | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the really odd thing about OMAP3430: when FPC is broken, AV-out doesn't work either | 15:17 |
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| sledges | good test | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe just a kernel issue, when primary display device can't get initialized properly and thus the driver blows chunks and doesn't even start to init video framebuffer. | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | It's known that even NOLO/kernel refuses to kick vibra when display flawed | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly some sort of "beep code" | 15:21 |
| sledges | true | 15:21 |
| sledges | never felt vibra on startup | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, when my FPC was borked, I had very nasty artifacts on TV | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which can't be caused by driver not initializing video fb | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea how that relates | 15:24 |
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| lexik_ntb | Here we go :) | 15:33 |
| lexik_ntb | http://imgur.com/a/rsbNt | 15:33 |
| lexik_ntb | these three photos are photoshoped | 15:33 |
| lexik_ntb | i can upload the other ones but they have some scratches on the screen etc. | 15:33 |
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| kerio | lexik_ntb: goddammit that's a clean n900 | 15:38 |
| kerio | ok no it's not | 15:38 |
| kerio | but it's much cleaner than mine | 15:38 |
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| sledges | lexik_ntb, what does your mum do? :) | 15:43 |
| jon_y | cook the images | 15:43 |
| sledges | very nice photos | 15:46 |
| lexik_ntb | :D she helped me by landing a camera, these pictures will not be as good as they are when they will shooted by Nokia 5800XM :D | 15:47 |
| lexik_ntb | sledges: thanks :) | 15:48 |
| sledges | i like how you got rid of the shadows and scratchmarks | 15:49 |
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| lexik_ntb | May i create the "Neo900 photos and propagation stuff" thread? :) | 16:01 |
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| lexik_ntb | A | 16:19 |
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| lexik_ntb | fooo | 16:19 |
| lexik_ntb | i hate that | 16:19 |
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| BCMM | what do you use as a UPnP renderer on the Pi? media player can play stuff from UPnP servers, but it doesn't look like a control point can control it | 16:21 |
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| Shapeshi1ter | So, should I be using fremantle-1.3 or fremantle (talking about the extras/testing/devel repositories) | 16:35 |
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| Shapeshifter | Not that it mattered, because my HAM is broken... What a piece of shit, really. | 16:39 |
| Shapeshifter | Freshly flashed (vanilla & fiasco), first thing I did was restore a backup (everything but not "application list"), and then I installed CSSU (stable). Now I don't have any catalogues in HAM and I can't add any. Nothing happens when I add one, the list remains empty. If I click "done" it says "no catalogues in use". rootsh not installed yet, because I can't install it without any repos... | 16:41 |
| Shapeshifter | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list actually contains all of them, incl. extras, community and communty-testing but HAM doesn't see them. | 16:41 |
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| lexik_ntb | can you install things via apt-get? | 16:45 |
| Shapeshifter | lexik_ntb: I don't have root access yet | 16:46 |
| goldkatze | Where to find a list of tricks, like [ctrl]+[arrow right] jumps one word, not just one character, or circle in browser zooms, and so forth? | 16:46 |
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| Shapeshifter | lexik_ntb: any other method of gaining root without rootsh installed? | 16:46 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm restarting the device, hoping that fixes it... | 16:46 |
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| Shapeshifter | yeah that fixed it. good ol' windows remedy #1 | 16:50 |
| jon_y | reboot? | 16:50 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah | 16:50 |
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| jon_y | yeah since MS-DOS days | 16:51 |
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| spaak1 | goldkatze: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures | 17:00 |
| goldkatze | thanks! | 17:00 |
| spaak1 | welcome | 17:00 |
| ccxCZ | Pali: noted, though I hopefully won't need to test it in the near future :-] I used the official flasher to reflash rootfs which seemed to fix the system | 17:04 |
| ccxCZ | Pali: what I guess I'd appreciate more is more feature-rich initrd/rescueos so I could easily reformat rootfs and upload backup via rsync or something | 17:05 |
| Pali | due to nand/ubi/ubifs, only good way is to flash full ubifs image | 17:07 |
| Pali | so no support for rsync | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: are you sure you have clicked the CSSU icon in appstarter? | 18:11 |
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| lexik_ntb | dos1: can you please upload these photos to neo900.org/photos? >> http://imgur.com/a/rsbNt | 19:01 |
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| dos1 | lexik_ntb: sure, will do! thanks :) | 19:13 |
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| dos1 | lexik_ntb: is 1000px wide original resolution, or rescaled by imgur? | 19:19 |
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| lexik_ntb | that's original, if it is not enough, i can give you the original .tif which is much better | 19:27 |
| lexik_ntb | lol.. | 19:28 |
| lexik_ntb | it is not original but it is not rescaled by imgur ;) | 19:28 |
| lexik_ntb | dos1: i will zip them and upload them somewhere ;) | 19:32 |
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| dos1 | ok | 19:39 |
| dos1 | lexik_ntb: i can give you direct ftp account if you want | 19:39 |
| lexik_ntb | that will be great.. i will upload more photos, thanks. | 19:43 |
| lexik_ntb | *would | 19:44 |
| lexik_ntb | ooh yeah, my awesome english! | 19:44 |
| dos1 | my isn't better ;) | 19:47 |
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| Pali | what do you think, can NSA have backdoor in rijndael cipher (selected as AES)? | 23:05 |
| Wizzup | backdoor sounds silly. | 23:06 |
| Wizzup | but they may be able to crack some older keys | 23:06 |
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| raccoon_ | they seem to have reached the feasibility of cracking 1024 bit keys in a few hours | 23:08 |
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| raccoon_ | (RSA) | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | won't help them when using PFS | 23:09 |
| Wizzup | just get a 4096 bit key | 23:09 |
| Wizzup | should be okay for now. | 23:10 |
| raccoon_ | yup | 23:10 |
| Pali | Wizzup: it sounds silly, but america selected Rijndael as AES standard... | 23:13 |
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| Wizzup | yes, and it was developed by belgians | 23:13 |
| Wizzup | and some dutch ppl iirc | 23:13 |
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| Pali | yes, but now I do not trust anything which comes from NSA... | 23:14 |
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| Wizzup | Time to switch to Oppan BSD | 23:16 |
| Wizzup | Oppan BSD Style! | 23:16 |
| Wizzup | but forgot about smp support | 23:16 |
| Wizzup | ;-) | 23:16 |
| Wizzup | forget* | 23:16 |
| quackquack1 | Pali, RC4 decryption algorithm has been leaked ages ago | 23:17 |
| Pali | why was selected Rijndael and not Serpent? Now I cannot find info about it... | 23:17 |
| quackquack1 | Pali, RC4? | 23:17 |
| Pali | AES | 23:17 |
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| quackquack1 | oh imho there are no known cryptanalysis method in the wild/zoo except brute force. | 23:18 |
| quackquack1 | i may be wrong. | 23:18 |
| quackquack1 | someone with crypto in-depth can help i have little knowledge | 23:19 |
| NIN101 | Pali: from what i read, Rijndael was selected because of it's speed... | 23:21 |
| Wizzup | not just speed. | 23:21 |
| Wizzup | but also because of the fact you don't need seperate hardwar for encrypt and decrypt | 23:22 |
| quackquack1 | fpga's asic's can really do it fast. | 23:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | This Neo900 business... | 23:59 |
| Shapeshifter | Very skeptical. | 23:59 |
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