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| infobot | pali: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 00:00 |
| Pali | ? | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my silly 5 minutes | 00:07 |
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| Pali | ccxCZ: I pushed some patches to 0xFFFF repository, can you test if you still have segfault problems? | 00:58 |
| Pali | I'd like to release final version, but need to be sure that it working also on other than mine machine... | 00:59 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: http://neo900.org/ :D | 02:00 |
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| Macer | for the life of me i still don't understand these frequencies | 11:35 |
| Macer | if i wanted a phone to work on at least t-mobile 3G wouldn't it require the 1700 band? | 11:35 |
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| cybertheque | for the chatlog record: ubifs module mismatch with zlib in stock sdk kernel 2.6.32-generic fixed by building custom kernel 2.6.32.61+drm33.26 (not a pleasant process). ubifs now loads, and rootfs.jffs2 is now mounted using the ubiformat/ubiattach method described by 'pali' in the maemo forum. | 13:57 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: mh, i think i don't want my cloak anymore | 15:11 |
| kerio | would it be rude if i dropped it? | 15:11 |
| kerio | the server i'm using the bouncer on has rdns now, and an identd | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dropping cloaks isn't exactly easy. Best you /join #freenode and ask for it | 15:12 |
| kerio | nah, it's easy | 15:12 |
| kerio | you just have to /join #freenode and ask for it :) | 15:13 |
| kerio | but would it be rude? | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rude against whom? | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is it rude that I stick with my openmoko cloak? | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | was it rude of stskeeps to drop his maemo cloak? | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a cloak! basically a nothing | 15:29 |
| dos1 | get "Maemo/is/a/piece/of/shit" cloak - that would be rude :) | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: what's with that URL? it stalls for me. Too lazy to do a whois | 15:31 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: try again | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OOOH! | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: you're awesome! :-) | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: congrats! | 15:34 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: nah, just made a quick copy of GTA04 page and edited a bit in few minutes ;) | 15:37 |
| jonwil | what URL is this>? | 15:37 |
| dos1 | jonwil: http://neo900.org/ | 15:37 |
| dos1 | or if there's still webmail interface (dns propagation...), http://dosowisko.net/n900/ | 15:38 |
| jonwil | nice :) | 15:38 |
| dos1 | s/n900/neo900/ | 15:38 |
| infobot | dos1 meant: or if there's still webmail interface (dns propagation...), http://dosowisko.net/neo900/ | 15:38 |
| Sosica | nice site, but I think we could need a new neo900 logo :) | 15:39 |
| jonwil | So guys, any idea where I should focus any RE work I might end up doing? | 15:40 |
| dos1 | jonwil: I'd vote for documenting CSD dbus interfaces | 15:41 |
| dos1 | Sosica: is there some "old" neo900 logo I'm not aware of? :D | 15:41 |
| jonwil | documenting CSD dbus interface sounds great except that reverse engineering unknown dbus interfaces is HARD :( | 15:41 |
| Sosica | no but it'd be nice to have a specific neo900 one next to the open phoenux logo | 15:42 |
| dos1 | Sosica: agreed | 15:42 |
| dos1 | there's still plenty of time of that. Hopefully someone will create something awesome :) | 15:42 |
| dos1 | jonwil: I think we may do some "mixed" approach, at least at the beginning | 15:44 |
| dos1 | start some work based on assumptions and guesses from dbus-monitor | 15:44 |
| dos1 | with some excessive logging of any call made that might differ from what we think it should look like | 15:45 |
| dos1 | then identify things that does not work reliably or were hard to guess, and just then RE bits that cause troubles | 15:46 |
| dos1 | we could provide some automated scripts to collect interesting stuff from logs, make it working in at least some basic way on N900 and let bleeding-edge testers from community find a corner cases | 15:48 |
| dos1 | it shouldn't be hard to make it working in some basic way based on dbus-monitor alone | 15:49 |
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| dos1 | corner cases will be problematic, so we can try to find and RE just those parts | 15:49 |
| dos1 | what do you think? | 15:49 |
| jonwil | I think a good place to start is this: | 15:50 |
| jonwil | 1.Identify the target (cellular services daemon and its plugins) | 15:50 |
| jonwil | 2.Identify all the libs used in the process | 15:50 |
| jonwil | 3.Reverse engineer each lib/plugin/etc and make a list of files, directories, gconf keys, dbus things and related items that are used | 15:51 |
| jonwil | 4.From that list, identify which things are already documented | 15:52 |
| jonwil | 5.Then for the undocumented stuff, identify (via a grep of the n900 filesystem) which binaries (if any) make those dbus calls | 15:52 |
| jonwil | 6.From there you can decide whether those binaries should be replaced or whether they need to be re-used as-is | 15:52 |
| dos1 | right. I was talking only about replacing dbus API | 15:53 |
| dos1 | good point with 5, from quick look at csd-gprs it seems to me that some of the calls shouldn't be used on N900 at all | 15:54 |
| dos1 | BTW: yay! just won an auction for broken Nokia 5800 ($9 with shipping included)! so I'll have a charger for N900 battery :D | 15:54 |
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| dos1 | so hopefully I'll be able to start first experiments soon ;) | 15:55 |
| jonwil | i.e. figure out for each undocumented item whether it needs to be documented (because something that we cant replace needs it) or whether it doesn't need to be documented (because the things that use it are things that are open source, are things we dont need on Neo900 or are things where writing something new that does the same job is easier than trying to make the existing widget work) | 15:55 |
| entitled | I got a separate charger to do that | 15:55 |
| entitled | ever since the USB got fuxored :( | 15:56 |
| dos1 | entitled: for $9? ;) | 15:56 |
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| jonwil | for example, it might be easier to write a new widget from scratch to display the cellular status/bars using whatever interface exists in ofono/fsogsmd rather than reverse engineering the dbus calls the stock widget is using | 15:56 |
| entitled | less than that | 15:56 |
| dos1 | och :o | 15:56 |
| entitled | it's just an adapter, where a wall charger goes | 15:56 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: we even have an identd | 15:58 |
| kerio | so good | 15:58 |
| dos1 | but mine comes with battery too ;D | 15:58 |
| entitled | yeah, it's a good deal | 15:59 |
| entitled | Spare usb port arrived, hoping to fix the phone itself | 15:59 |
| entitled | tried resoldering the old one, no dice | 16:00 |
| Psi | haha http://i.imgur.com/LZtGrCx.jpg | 16:00 |
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| dos1 | jonwil: reimplementing it basing just on names from http://www.cncmods.net/files/dbus/net_interface.xml and checking if it works should be easier too | 16:01 |
| dos1 | if it works, we're lucky; if it doesn't, then RE/rewrite | 16:02 |
| dos1 | and by reimplementing, I mean mocking | 16:02 |
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| dos1 | writing a dumb mock, which will just return some data given to it via config, or even hardcoded | 16:03 |
| dos1 | and checking how maemo UI will react to it | 16:03 |
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| dos1 | it might be that some parts of CSD API will have to remain mocked, because there will be no direct relation from it to the features new modem will offer | 16:06 |
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| jonwil | yes that makes sense dos1: | 16:27 |
| jonwil | FYI, that website that file is mine :) | 16:27 |
| jonwil | well the file is Nokias but I put it there :) | 16:27 |
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| dos1 | jonwil: you mean that n900 photo? | 16:29 |
| dos1 | och | 16:30 |
| dos1 | ok | 16:30 |
| dos1 | xml file | 16:30 |
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| dos1 | :) | 16:30 |
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| dos1 | thanks a lot, having those files in one place is going to be really helpful | 16:32 |
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| jonwil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_dbus is what I wrote to provide all the known details of the n900 dbus linked back to the files on that other website | 16:38 |
| dos1 | jonwil: yup, seen that, just didn't know it was you. Huge thanks! :) | 16:38 |
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| janemba | hi | 17:04 |
| janemba | I have an issue with the n900 I set up my own mail server and it works fine. So I set my server to the server and I get no message. So I'd like to debug it but I don't know where to find the log for the mail client. Do you know where to look ? | 17:04 |
| Wizzup | I'd start with your server logs. | 17:08 |
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| janemba | Wizzup: I have nothing im my server logs so I think I have an issue with the mail client | 17:08 |
| Wizzup | so it doesn't work fine. | 17:08 |
| Wizzup | You should be able to see any IMAP request | 17:09 |
| Wizzup | even just simple logins | 17:09 |
| Wizzup | what about smtp logs | 17:09 |
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| janemba | I'm testing it I j'm just tested imaps | 17:11 |
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| janemba | I can't send over smtps because mailbox reception not appears | 17:12 |
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| janemba | in fact my imaps directories not appears so I don't know if the mail client made the reauest. I check the settings many times and this thunderbird it is ok but with n900 mail client it failed | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think CSSU has a bugfixed modest, that avoids some problems seen with IMAP in stock modest mail client. I never looked into it in detail, so you better ask the CSSU guys about it | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog search for "modest" | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 17:43 |
| infobot | from memory, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 17:43 |
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| janemba | ok thx | 17:45 |
| Wizzup | infobot: from memory even? | 17:45 |
| Wulfe | lol | 17:46 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: https://www.facebook.com/n900tips/posts/576712672364863 ;) | 17:49 |
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| dos1 | just found on twitter while searching for some Neo900 mentions: "Elop to become MS CEO. After 2 years: Google to buy MS. The end." :D | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 18:14 |
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| kerio | so, my parents bought an ipad | 18:26 |
| kerio | it's neat! | 18:26 |
| kerio | kinda heavy though | 18:26 |
| Apic | ^.^ | 18:28 |
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| joga | I get the impression ipad ain't very rugged either | 18:38 |
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| spaak | http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/privacy-scandal-nsa-can-spy-on-smart-phone-data-a-920971.html makes you wonder about maemo | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/S-Re-Offene-Handy-Betriebssysteme-offene-Firmware-offene-Hardware/forum-264810/msg-24074134/read/ | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Werner Almesberger \o/ | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: you should replace the N900 photo by one that shows the hw kbd slide open | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: beware of (C)-infringements! | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might get pretty expensive | 18:41 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: I know, this one is temporary | 18:41 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: there will me more content and more images anyway, this one was just quickly put together ;) | 18:46 |
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| kerio | joga: mh, i don't know if it's actually true or if it's just a ruse to sell you covers and cases | 18:47 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: I hope there's someone in the community that'll be able to make professional-looking photos on white background and release on some CC license | 18:49 |
| dos1 | we'll need stuff like that | 18:49 |
| joga | kerio, I dunno I've heard of people cracking them with a small drop etc | 18:50 |
| joga | they don't like to talk about such things though because they're oh so gorgeous ;P | 18:51 |
| dos1 | hmm | 18:52 |
| dos1 | http://nokiagadgets.com/2013/09/08/n900-given-a-new-lease-of-life-with-aluminium-shell-and-neo900-project/ | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Alu shell? :-o | 19:04 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: have you seen that alu case? imagine it with engraved "Neo900" and OpenPhoenux logo on back case ^^ | 19:04 |
| dos1 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83928 | 19:04 |
| dos1 | early photo: http://lorienart.pl/backcover-prealpha.jpg | 19:05 |
| dos1 | ouch, wait, it's in article | 19:05 |
| dos1 | :D | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | won't fly. All aerials (aka antennae) will be borked and detuned to oblivion | 19:05 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: looking at thread (especially last pages) it seems like Estel is ready to take care of that | 19:06 |
| dos1 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1372838&postcount=277 | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heh, you can't take care of that. It's physically impossible to use the same antennae with a case that massively changed its RF properties like that | 19:10 |
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| kerio | i'd like a fractal antenna | 19:12 |
| Apic | ;-) | 19:12 |
| Apic | That receives exactly itself? | 19:12 |
| Apic | Probably our Multiverse is exactly _that_. ;-) | 19:13 |
| kerio | they're actually a thing | 19:16 |
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| NIN101 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1372928#post1372928 some spam on TMO. by a guy who joined 2012... | 21:06 |
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| lexik | spam again? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1372928#post1372928 | 21:10 |
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| dos1 | Join Date: 08-08-12 | 21:13 |
| lexik | frack, they have a plan! | 21:16 |
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| warfare | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1372847#post1372847 (for those who haven't noticed) | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] www.maemo.org and wiki.maemo.org are going down for service | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: lexik: NIN101: indeed | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: you can't ban and delete those? | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once-click doesn't work for the 90-day limit, but I'd hope you can "manually" ban as spambot and delete the one post this account ever posted | 21:36 |
| dos1 | thread is already deleted | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know, I did it ;-) | 21:38 |
| dos1 | ok, that would explain it :) | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just wondered why thedead1440 reported it and not deleted it | 21:38 |
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| bennypr0fane | hello, if I wanna put CSSU Thumb and kp52 on a fresh install of Maemo, which should I install first? | 21:44 |
| bennypr0fane | 1.) After reflashing, I tried to restore a backup with CSSU enabler, which failed to install. 2.) Before that reflash, the N900 went black after I had installed kp52 on CSSU Thumb so I must have gotten something wrong | 21:47 |
| lexik | i'm not sure, but in my opinion (and in opinion of my N900) it doesn't matter. What i did was that I have firstly instaled kp and after that the CSSU-thumb, and i have no problems. (But don't listen me, i'm just regular N900-geeky-user) | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems installation of cssu-thumb pulls in a matching kernel automatically. But if it doesn't, you're screwed since system prone to segfault when running thumb binaries on a kernel without thumb patch | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | restoration of a backup never restores the kernel. You alwas need to tale care to install the matching kernel first, before you restore any backup | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | always* | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same basically applies to CSSU | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-thumb instructions should deal with all that. You can't reatore CSSU(-thumb) backup to a freshly flashed "clean" system. You need to upgrade the system to same "patchlevel" you had when doing the backup | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "manually" | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for BM matters are a tad different, but not much | 21:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: mention kbd slide!! | 22:12 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: I'm replacing current temporary photo with different temporary photo as we speak :D | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless mention it in tmo post, please! | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | people willing to help should know what to do | 22:13 |
| bennypr0fane | DocScrutinizer05, what is BM? | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 22:13 |
| infobot | rumour has it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 22:13 |
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| bennypr0fane | soltys, best is to go CSSU htumb first, then kp52? | 22:14 |
| bennypr0fane | not soltys, sorry. I was gonna type just "so" | 22:14 |
| bennypr0fane | DocScrutinizer05, | 22:15 |
| bennypr0fane | actually | 22:15 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: done | 22:15 |
| bennypr0fane | but that sequence is what went wrong before the last reflash | 22:15 |
| bennypr0fane | any idea why installing kp52 would sabotage bootability? | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it usually shouldn't | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but no, you should install kernel _first_ | 22:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | flash, install kernel, install CSSU, install CSSU-thumb | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then restore backup | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but make a new BM backup before restoring anything, so you can roll back the restore in case it breaks sth | 22:22 |
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| * lexik is going to take some profesional-looking photos of N900 for you :) dos1 ^^; feel free to do some more pictures of it - mine usb is broken, so the "usb side" photo is waiting for you. | 22:35 | |
| dos1 | lexik: great! :) | 22:35 |
| dos1 | just read PM too | 22:35 |
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| lexik | but i need sunlight, so i must wait :P I wish I could do it now :D | 22:38 |
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| dos1 | no prob, it's not that urgent :) | 22:39 |
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| dos1 | lexik: try to get something like http://neo900.org/img/neo900-open.png | 22:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | m.o up, that was quick :) | 22:47 |
| dos1 | but don't worry, I'll take care of openphoenux and Neo900 logos ;) | 22:47 |
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| warfare | ... aand we're back. | 22:49 |
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| lexik | dos1: okey... that reminds me, maybe we will need Neo900 logo? | 22:53 |
| dos1 | we'll probably need some, yes | 22:53 |
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| lexik | Neo900 logo competition? | 22:54 |
| dos1 | sounds good | 22:55 |
| lexik | the winner will get discount of $50 for the Neo900 :D | 22:57 |
| qwazix | dos1 http://maemo.qwazix.com/photos/fullsize/DSC_3553.JPG | 23:03 |
| qwazix | I know you asked for a white background, but I had those photos | 23:04 |
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| joga | ooh sexy | 23:13 |
| joga | a bit dim tho :p | 23:13 |
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| qwazix | feel free to browse the parent folder too, more pics there | 23:13 |
| dos1 | qwazix: thanks :) | 23:13 |
| qwazix | yw | 23:13 |
| dos1 | I think we should make some kind of photo repo | 23:13 |
| dos1 | with photos we can use for sure without any copyright infridgement | 23:13 |
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| qwazix | btw, I don't know if editing out the nokia logo and n900 logo is a good idea, those ebay cases come with that | 23:13 |
| qwazix | on the other hand, shipping a product with another company's brand might be problematic | 23:13 |
| joga | my n900 is a bit roughed up and cushioned with some rubber thingies, it's not very pretty :( | 23:13 |
| dos1 | qwazix: yeah, that's the thing we'll probably have to solve somehow | 23:13 |
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| qwazix | joga, I'm proud to say that the one in the photo is my regular N900 which I use every day, without a case :) now it has one or two scratches though and a bit of wear on the D key, sadly | 23:14 |
| dos1 | it's still very long time till any working device comes to daylight, so I think no one will be upset about Neo900 logo being edited on the photo ;) | 23:15 |
| dos1 | it would be great if GolDeliCo would come up with some easy way to remove that Nokia branding and replace it with our :D | 23:17 |
| qwazix | hammer? :P | 23:18 |
| dos1 | if they won't, I'll print some sticker for myself :P | 23:18 |
| qwazix | I doubt any sticker will remain there for long... | 23:18 |
| bennypr0fane | DocScrutinizer05, but installing CSSU Thumb will pull a customized kernel right? In that case wouldn't it be useless to install kp before CSSU thumb? | 23:19 |
| qwazix | One solution would be some kind of black paste to fill the recessed nokia logo, and stick an openphoenux logo somewhere else | 23:19 |
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| dos1 | qwazix: then lots of spare stickers ;] | 23:20 |
| qwazix | hehe | 23:20 |
| qwazix | and with the microsoft deal being finalized till then, things are looking even more grim, I'd say mill the logo down | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | will do | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bat cover more trouble | 23:22 |
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| qwazix | ooh yeah... I had forgotten that, I got a sticker over it :P | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: check my edited photo of qwazix | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | removed color | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also in the reflections in n900 case | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I think it's from wrong side | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you have to place such photo on left side of scree | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | screen | 23:24 |
| dos1 | yup | 23:24 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, thanks! looks good | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gimp is awesome | 23:26 |
| qwazix | btw, what are you thinking about usb port? proper OTG requires a rectangular aperture is that a problem? | 23:26 |
| qwazix | indeed it is | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | minor problem, we have to revork the cases slightly | 23:27 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 23:27 |
| qwazix | and I hope the GTA04 doesn't have a bupbat :) | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | takes 10s with a dremel with right milling tool | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure it has a bupbat err bupcap | 23:28 |
| qwazix | big difference | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I was able to catch this one early | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, it's raining so hard the fireworks are cnacelled | 23:29 |
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| qwazix | fireworks? | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm happy I decided not to move there, just to find myself wet and alone at that place, with no fireworks taking place | 23:30 |
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| dos1 | http://neo900.org/photos/ | 23:34 |
| dos1 | I'll collect photos there :) | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: http://www.volksfest-nuernberg.de/programm/nurnberger-herbstvolksfest-2013-1.2703348 | 23:35 |
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| qwazix | fireworks look good! but I don't understand a word :) | 23:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | all the way down it says "abschluss feuerwerk 22:15" | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess their bomb guns would drown in water ;-D | 23:38 |
| qwazix | lol | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the bombs are paper balls diameter up to 30cm, and at the lowest point they ahve the propellant gunpower attached. Now when the gun tube wills with rain water, the propellant might get wet, and the bomb hardly makes it out of the tube before it bursts ;-P | 23:40 |
| qwazix | doesn't sound very exciting | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed figure the bomb not climbing to 100m altitude before bursting, but rather go parabolic into the watching crowds | 23:43 |
| qwazix | indeed ouch! | 23:44 |
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