IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2013-09-07

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wotan147people I try to compile a QT application in command line for maemo5 from ubuntu00:17
wotan147it says Could not find mkspecs for your QMAKESPEC(linux-g++-maemo5) after trying:00:17
wotan147  /usr/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs00:18
wotan147 the thing is that the Nokia SDK is not installed int this place but I don't know how to change this settings00:18
wotan147anyone an idea?00:18
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dos1DocScrutinizer05: from translated comment about Neo900 on some russian site:01:31
dos1"I want, I want, where to write so I got? the link to the registration is closed: ( "01:31
DocScrutinizer05he couldn't do much with his tmo registration either01:33
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dos1114 comments01:35
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dos1of course most of them flaming about "why not SGS/Android" or N900/Linux phones in general01:36
DocScrutinizer05as usual01:37
DocScrutinizer05when you give them a pimped up VW beetle, they ask "why not a rolls royce"01:38
dos1I wonder about all those negative opinions about N900s stability as a daily phone01:38
dos1they make me want to shout "try using Freerunner instead!" :D01:39
DocScrutinizer05nah, those are idiots who want a phone where you can mess with everything but nothing has any consequence01:39
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DocScrutinizer05I'm using N900 as a daily phone since, err 4 years now? And I never faced any reliability problems01:41
dos1recently I noticed that almost all of most annoying sw bugs on my gta02 were in fact introduced by myself when I last played with the OS few months ago...01:41
DocScrutinizer05and common01:42
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dos1it smelled fishy that it lost date on every restart... I knew that RTC battery is borked, so I automaticaly attributed it to that01:43
DocScrutinizer05and almost a familiar effect, though I don't want to start rants now01:44
DocScrutinizer05nah, only when you remove the main battery01:44
dos1yeah... now I realise that... after enabling initscript :D01:45
DocScrutinizer05the PCF50533 should power the cmos clock from main as long as available01:45
dos1I wonder why the hell I have disabled that at the first place01:45
dos1I recall playing with bootchart and trying to speed up booting a bit... it might be that ;)01:46
ShadowJKFor me, "every restart" is once or twice a month01:46
DocScrutinizer05dos1: just make sure that a) it doesn't use adjfile and b) you don't call it on system shutdown01:47
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: same here01:47
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032# uptime01:47
DocScrutinizer05 00:47    16 Tage  7:41 an,  0 Benutzer,  Durchschnittslast: 0,11, 0,06, 0,0101:47
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dos1with lots of small annoying bugs like that, sometimes it was faster to just reboot when I actually wanted to use a phone :P01:49
dos1most of them were either created by me, or already fixed for a long time, but for some reason I had versions without fixes01:50
dos1for last few days, since I finally took care of it, it's been pretty stable01:51
ShadowJKIf you want slow, I just obtained a firefoxos phone ;-)01:52
dos1I have a Freerunner01:52
dos1I don't think you can beat that :)01:52
dos1well, maybe if you put firefox os ON freerunner...01:53
DocScrutinizer05ask microsoft, they offer a OS for every usecase that's always just enough to make the system slow01:53
ShadowJKActually, some websites are faster on the firefox phone, but for my usual morning breakfast routing "Read the news sites", it's way slower01:54
DocScrutinizer05when you get faster hardware, just ask them for an update01:54
dos1but well... gta02 performance issues made openmoko distros to be amazingly fast on anything more modern01:55
dos1on n900 SHR was booting in few seconds when I played with it :D01:55
dos1and boot time dramatically improved even on gta02 since that... I wonder how (and if) it works now on N90001:56
ShadowJK"Time to load" used to be a measure of performance I personally used01:57
dos1does using links on gta02 count? :)01:58
ShadowJKno :)01:59
dos1i dunno if i have any other browser there right now :D01:59
dos1good old times...02:01
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DocScrutinizer05actually SHR is awesome, in a certain way02:09
DocScrutinizer05now teach it to zeroclock and it might become usable ;-)02:10
DocScrutinizer05that suspend-to-ram nonsense been evil dark legacy from S3C2442 times02:10
DocScrutinizer05even S3C241002:11
dos1what would be needed to teach it that? just making sure that nothing is hogging cpu when idle?02:11
DocScrutinizer05err yup, basically. Plus a few kernel patches iirc02:11
DocScrutinizer05NOTICK one of them02:12
dos1disabling suspend is just a one change in one config file02:12
DocScrutinizer05I guess you need to have a look at freq-governor02:12
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DocScrutinizer05and get the TI OMAP kernel patches02:13
DocScrutinizer05though iirc larsc(?) said you're already using PM kernel02:14
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ShadowJKthe s3c64xx datasheet atleast makes it look like a chip not very suitable for cellphones02:16
dos1DocScrutinizer05: current meta-smartphone has this one:
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dos1same for gta04 (om-gta04/3.4/master branch)02:20
DocScrutinizer05uname? PM?02:21
dos1dunno how to check that without the devices02:22
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DocScrutinizer05grep your #om-devel chanlog02:23
dos1"see PM", "check PM", "you should PM me" :)02:25
DocScrutinizer05can you search regex? then maybe something like linux.*PM could help02:27
DocScrutinizer05or GNU/Linux02:28
dos1Linux om-gta04 3.4.9 #1 PREEMPT Tue Nov 13 00:07:03 CET 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux02:28
dos1Linux nokia900 2.6.37 #1 PREEMPT Tue Apr 3 10:48:32 CEST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux02:28
DocScrutinizer05I'm absolutely sure somebody mentioned PM kernel, since I wondered if he meant MP02:29
dos1I dunno, I don't know much about what was happening recently (something like past year), especially about n900 or gta0402:31
DocScrutinizer05maybe just ask your kernel dudes02:31
DocScrutinizer05I hope we'll reach the 300 votes this weekend02:34
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dos1fix registration and you'll get some russian votes :D02:35
DocScrutinizer05seen ?02:36
dos1I've seen it, but people coming via links straight into neo900 thread probably haven't and won't02:37
dos1maybe put static page with link to it in place of register.php? :D02:38
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DocScrutinizer05I might fix the register.php to include a link to that post02:38
dos1ok, going to sleep, i'll try to research that kernel pm thingy tomorrow02:40
DocScrutinizer05gn dos102:44
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jon_yhi, is there a way to not charge if connected by USB?04:03
jon_ymy USB port doesn't have enough power04:03
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DocScrutinizer05stop bme04:57
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: how?04:57
DocScrutinizer05but honestly... your usb port hasn't enough power?04:57
jon_yyeah, weird04:57
DocScrutinizer05stop bme; ;-)04:57
jon_yjust type "stop bme"?04:57
jon_yI really have no idea where bme comes in04:57
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, bme is
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DocScrutinizer05and don't forget to press <enter> ;-D04:58
DocScrutinizer05oh, you probably should type "root" first04:58
jon_yok :)04:58
DocScrutinizer05start bem; #to revert04:59
DocScrutinizer05err bme*04:59
jon_ycool it connected05:01
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ShadowJKjon_y, everything working out for you?05:16
jon_yShadowJK: yes05:17
jon_ywindows decided the primary route was the n900 usb-net and kicked me off the internet :(05:17
ShadowJKlol :)05:18
jon_ygreat, n900 thinks localtime is GMT-405:19
jon_yhow do I change that?05:19
jon_yShadowJK: any ideas?05:23
ShadowJKsettings - date and time ?05:23
jon_ycannot set the timezone there05:24
jon_ythe timezone option seem blacked out05:25
jon_yShadowJK: seems settable if I unselect "Update automatically"05:27
jon_yI wonder why you can't set the timezone if it is automatic?05:28
* jon_y off for awhile05:29
ShadowJKPresumably the timezone plus time gets set by oeprator in "automatic" mode05:29
ShadowJKI remember this happening when I went to sweden, the clock automagically switched timezones as I crossed the border05:29
jon_yI don't have a sim attached05:29
jon_yI guess that's why05:29
ShadowJKOh, welll "update automatically" is totally useless for you then05:29
jon_ycool, nice to know it actually reads the sim operator data05:30
jon_yor whatever provider is in the area05:30
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Macerlooks like fb xmpp is totally borked heh05:39
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DocScrutinizer05not as you crossed the boarder but the moment you roamed to a local GSM network06:07
DocScrutinizer05GSM networks indeed usually send time and some extremely weird representation of timezone06:07
DocScrutinizer05some do non-standard06:08
DocScrutinizer05some do not send at all06:08
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders how "update automatically" can even be set when no SIM present06:09
ShadowJKYeah, "cross border" is kinda fuzzy06:09
DocScrutinizer05but actually "update automaticaly" is enabled even when no SIM06:10
ShadowJKMost of Haparanda (Sweden), including Ikea has excellent .fi cellphone operator signals :)06:10
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ShadowJKThat place just weirds me out. It's like the exact reverse of where I live.06:11
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: it doesn't need to read anything from SIM to set the time06:11
DocScrutinizer05it reads the timestamp message from network06:11
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if timestamp is in BCC and unencrypted so every mobile could receive it, no matter which or if any SIM06:12
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: ever pondered using a 13 element yagi for GSM antenna? ;-P06:13
DocScrutinizer05you can do amazing things with it. Up to 32km distance from BTS06:14
DocScrutinizer05you can receive even more distant BTS, but "no signal" despite excellent signal level06:15
ShadowJKI ahvent considered such things :)06:15
DocScrutinizer05Time Advance out of range06:15
ShadowJKIn real life Ive had N900 do gprs at 20km range though06:16
ShadowJKMy usual IRC idling used enormous amounts of energy :)06:16
DocScrutinizer05you *might* be lucky finding a BTS that has TA offset. So that TA=0 means you are N km away from BTS and that's the *minimum* distance you need to have to make a successful connection to such umbrella BTS06:17
ShadowJKIt was out at sea06:17
DocScrutinizer05hehe, using a decent antenna can dramatically improve that06:17
ShadowJKThe last inhabited islands before open sea :)06:18
DocScrutinizer05and yeah, offshore covering BTS sometimes might use TA offset06:18
DocScrutinizer05on one channel, while another channel fills in the segment between BTS and start of outer zone06:18
DocScrutinizer05NB I have no insider knowledge about that stuff06:19
DocScrutinizer05just concluding from reports about specification limits and exceptions06:20
DocScrutinizer05I don't even know if you get TA=0 or TA=1 when you are 10m away from BTS06:21
DocScrutinizer05but I know one TA click are 550m06:21
ShadowJKThat place was bloody amazing. My sister's parents' in law own the island.. There are thousands of tiny rocks all over the place when heading out towards the sea, closer to shore it's interlaced with small islands with people and houses on it waving and greeting you, but as you go further there's less and less inhabitation. Then out of the thousands of rocks sticking out of the sea,our pilot decides to break hard right and steer right between them, then slows06:22
ShadowJKdown, and navigates a narrow passage between cliffs06:22
ShadowJKSnaking between rocks and underwater rocks, we arrive "inside" the island at a pier barely long enough for the speedboat :)06:23
ShadowJKAnd I still have enough signal on N900 to IRC, win06:23
ShadowJKIt's a kind of cultural thing with finns, I guess. Either you own a summer house in middle of nowhere in the forrest, with hardly any road access, or you own a summer house in the middle of the sea where nobody can see that you're actually there06:29
* DocScrutinizer05 feels some jealousy06:30
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DocScrutinizer05though, it's probably pretty hard to get home from the pub at night ;-P06:31
ShadowJKIn the winter, the last 20km is by ski06:32
DocScrutinizer05king size quadrocopter!06:32
DocScrutinizer05you should be able to control such thing in a way so you enter, close the "door" and press the button for the desired desination, like in an elevator06:33
robbiethe1stWhy not voice activation?06:34
robbiethe1st"Take me home, jeeves"06:34
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ShadowJKThere's a lake, with an island obstruction in the middle, it might be long enough for a STOL airplane in winter, at close to 0 temperatures.06:34
DocScrutinizer05I think the are certain circumstances where a button is more reliable06:34
ShadowJKI imagine at the usual -10 .. - 35C, the friction to snow would be too high for anything reasonable to take off :)06:35
DocScrutinizer05dang, make that octocopter06:36
robbiethe1stIf you can't handle taking off, you don't have a big enough rocket.06:36
robbiethe1stMoar power!06:36
ShadowJKI love that place :)06:36
DocScrutinizer058* 50HP should suffice06:37
ShadowJKmy grandpa built the first building by dragging logs manually through the forrest, across a swamp, then one by one in a small boat to reach the shore on the other side06:37
DocScrutinizer05and sufficiently redundant06:37
DocScrutinizer05those were real men06:38
ShadowJKNearest electricity line runs 30km away even today :)06:38
ShadowJKpiped water is even further06:38
ShadowJKIt's a "back to basics" place, and "apocalypse survival site" in one06:39
ShadowJKAnd for some reason, us finns love to spend summer holidays at such locations.06:39
DocScrutinizer05I heard there's bazillions of mosquitoes in summer06:42
DocScrutinizer05i'd prefer the island06:42
ShadowJKThe islands do not escape :)06:42
DocScrutinizer05no mosqui06:43
ShadowJKThey've got their local mosquito populations06:43
DocScrutinizer05huge island, eh?06:43
ShadowJKSeems related to mainland mosquito population though, because I didnt react too badly to them06:44
DocScrutinizer05kill'em with lazors06:44
ShadowJKWhen I was up north in lapland, the mosquitos there seemed very annoying to me, some bites even swelled06:44
ShadowJKThe mosquitos where I live, there's slight pinch when they depart, and that's about all06:45
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ShadowJKNo swelling or other reactions06:45
ShadowJKNot even an itch06:45
DocScrutinizer05dnag, the bots go kookoo06:45
ShadowJKBut that because I've lived here all my life, more or less06:46
DocScrutinizer05I react to mosqui bites like somebody poisoned me. Sometimes 2 weeks of injury06:46
ShadowJKThe protein mosquitos use when they penetrate the skin varies, here they've managed to develop one that goes unnoticed :)06:47
DocScrutinizer05with stains on the skin that never ever go away06:47
ShadowJKTo me it's like someone gently touched me with a jumper wire06:48
ShadowJKwhen I'm in lapland, it feels like a superheated poker, but it goes away after killing the critter06:49
ShadowJKThe most awesome thing is when there is non-native around.. One mosquito, and non-native is waving arms around in panic, which increases his metabolism rate, which emits more CO2, which means all the mosquitos in the region will converge on him :))06:50
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: ok, got it07:17
jon_yno sim == no timestampt from gsm operator07:18
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Mike11hello everybody :)11:56
Mike11I have this new n9 , and I am installing wazapp , unfortunately it is crashing on startup, I found a post that is suggesting I edit the file located in /opt/waxmppplugin/bin/wazapp/11:56
Mike11what is the best way to do that??11:56
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: she is sleeping, wake her up please ^^^13:17
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khertanSo if i understand there isn't any twitter client that works currently on n900 ?14:50
khertanjonwil: hi14:51
khertanwhaou ... my n900 didn't have fremantle on it ... hihi14:51
jonwiljust reading the interesting looking tmo thread about Neo900 and think its a good idea :)14:51
khertanjonwil: could be indeed14:52
khertanbut i believe more in nemo mobile than using a plateform with closed parts14:52
jonwilI think something that would be worth doing is to figure out the software (i.e. there is talk of reusing Nokia blobs, work is needed to figure out which blobs to re-use and which blobs to clone or rewrite)14:53
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khertanlol ... khweeteur works also on desktop14:57
khertani forgot :)14:57
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qwerty123hey , i have a doubt , not really related to maemo, can anyone help??15:22
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qwerty123SpeedEvil: you there now?15:23
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SpeedEvilerr - with?15:25
SpeedEvilI'm sort of slightly awake15:25
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qwerty123with c.. it may sound stupid, but my doubt is can we just write protect just one or an array of memory locations of a pen drive??15:26
SpeedEvilAt least not for any meanings of that sentance i can think of15:26
qwerty123answer was really short.. :P15:26
qwerty123actually, is there any way to make my pc access just the pendrives i want??15:27
qwerty123thats why i was thinking of reserving some memorylocatiosn of pendrive with some "key" that would be read everytime, and if it doesnot match, then it should simply unmunt it,15:28
SpeedEvilWhat is your PC running.15:29
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qwerty123both windows n ubuntu.15:30
qwerty123currently on win7.15:30
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SpeedEvilReadonly is pretty irrelevant15:30
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SpeedEvilyou for example could make a second partition with a key on the pendrive, and only mount if that exists.15:31
SpeedEvilAvoiding that key being tribvially copyable if anyone gets a hold of your device isn't simple15:31
qwerty123yeah that should work , thanks.. will try that. but again, i wont be able to put any data in that partition..15:32
SpeedEvilyou don't care - you put the data in the main partition15:32
qwerty123the key is supposed to be linked with those memorylocations only.15:32
SpeedEvilthat doesn't really make any sense.15:32
qwerty123that wud have atleast decreased the risk of a copied key,.. key may be copied but mem locattions if different, then reject !15:33
qwerty123yep.. :)  thanks .. i believe yu were sleeping.  good night. :)15:34
SpeedEvilYou want a read protect - not a write protect15:35
SpeedEvilAnd - how can you read from a protected sector15:35
SpeedEvilthe 'right' way to do this involves assymetric keys.15:35
SpeedEvilbut you cannot do this with a dumb device. There are some encrypted pendrives out there - I am unsure if any would support what you want to do.15:35
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sixwheeledbeastkhertan: Hi, thanks for responding to my PM re council meeting yesterday :)16:18
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Mike11hello my n9 is stuck in a reboot loop , please help me :-(19:48
Mike11is there anyway to backup my contacts now before flashing??19:49
Mike11any help is really appreciated19:49
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entitledmike11, I can't help you, but did you ask at #meego ?19:59
Mike11i asked at #harmattan , i will ask now at #meego thanks entitled20:01
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DocScrutinizer05I don't think #meego is the ideal place to ask. if #harmattan doesn't know...21:36
Sosicawill there be an extra irc node for stuff regarding the Neo900, or is it still happening here, since it'll use the same SW?21:37
cyberthequetrying to modprobe ubifs in the sdk ubuntu vm: UBIFS error (pid 17519): compr_init: cannot initialize compressor zlib, error -221:38
cyberthequeFATAL: Error inserting ubifs (/lib/modules/2.6.32-24-generic/kernel/fs/ubifs/ubifs.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)21:39
cyberthequedidn't expect symbol or lib mismatches in the sdk21:39
DocScrutinizer05Sosica: here21:40
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DocScrutinizer05cybertheque: indeed a bit strange21:41
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cyberthequeneed to mount rootfs.jfss2 from n90021:41
cyberthequeis really ubi i am told21:41
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DocScrutinizer05it is21:48
DocScrutinizer05cannot initialize compressor zlib21:49
DocScrutinizer05is the key I guess21:49
DocScrutinizer05check for your zlib21:49
DocScrutinizer05I seem to recall several related bug reports lately21:50
cyberthequekk - will do and report back later21:52
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infobotIt's great to be back!21:54
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cybrNautWammu/Gammu question-- do any maemo devices have SMS?  The n900 (reportedly) only has the "info" feature, not SMS21:55
dos1och, nvm21:56
cybrNautmost devices only have partial gammu support.. the n900 is one of them21:56
DocScrutinizer05wtf gammu?21:57
cybrNautDocScrutinizer05: see
cybrNautmy interest is in an SMS server.. gammu does that21:58
DocScrutinizer05now that tells me zlch21:58
cybrNautin the end, I need a maemo device that can send SMS messages to a gammu instance (a server that collects SMS messages)21:59
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cybrNautapparently maemo is the only phone OS that has SDR capability, which is another (unrelated) need that I have22:00
cybrNautDocScrutinizer05: if you look at the n900 on that page, you'll see that SMS is not supported, unlike other devices22:01
nox-is the little arm cpu even fast enough for sdr?22:01
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cybrNautnox-: that's a good question.. I only heard that someone pulled it off recently22:02
cybrNautbut i don't know if they actually accomplished anything more than working drivers22:02
DocScrutinizer05ask xes :-D22:03
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cybrNaut(btw, all qualcomm chipsets seem to be SDR, but I don't count them because they're proprietary, undocumented, and unfreed)22:03
DocScrutinizer05or simply test it!
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* DocScrutinizer05 still wondering what's that gwammu stuff22:05
DocScrutinizer05and how N900 SMS could not be supported22:05
dos1DocScrutinizer05: app used to control phone- and messagebooks on feature phones22:06
DocScrutinizer05oooh, THAT nonsense22:06
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that relates to my allude to "control SMS" in fremantle-neo22:07
DocScrutinizer05even genuine fremantle doesn't support all of these control cruft SMS, thanks Goddess22:07
DocScrutinizer05No thanks, I don't want a SMS reconfigure my system, bottom up. Without me even letting know22:08
dos1cybrNaut: well, on N900 you can do anything you want without wammu. You have access to OS on the phone, so just write a script that reacts to SMS and do whatever you want on that22:08
dos1cybrNaut: wammu does not support it because it uses some basic AT interface over USB which does not expose such information on N90022:09
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dos1but you can expose it by youself via ssh or anything else22:09
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cybrNauthmm, yeah, maybe i can do without gammu.  I like the idea of connecting multiple phones to an sms server.. but I guess I could make special accommodations for the n90022:11
dos1cybrNaut: you could manually expose some interface that gammu can support ;)22:12
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DocScrutinizer05cybrNaut: N900 is no phone. It's a full featured linux desktop computer in your pocket, that happens to have some GSM functions built in22:12
DocScrutinizer05probbaly you can use the N900 to control your phones22:13
cybrNautDocScrutinizer05: i have an n800, so i have an idea about it.22:13
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DocScrutinizer055400 thanks, 40 votes >=700, I guess we alse will reach the 300 votes this weekend. \o/22:17
DocScrutinizer05and kicked off FPTF22:18
cybrNauti've been out of it for a few years.. my n800 screen died.  the n900 was the only GSM-capable maemo device at that time.. is that still the case?  any successors?22:18
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dos1some would say N9, but don't trust them :P22:18
DocScrutinizer05ooh, I forgot ;-P22:19
DocScrutinizer05no really, I did22:19
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DocScrutinizer05by the letters it's not a maemo device anyway22:19
DocScrutinizer05and calling HARM a maemo version is... a gross insult22:20
nox-and n9 has this aegis thing rtoo ight?22:20
NIN101HARM is a maemo version.22:20
dos1is it that bad? I don't know much about it22:20
DocScrutinizer05N9 is aegis, yes22:21
NIN101jk :-)22:21
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nox-aegis == you arent really root anymore22:21
cybrNautah, the open moko upgrade.. i didn't realize that had maemo22:21
DocScrutinizer05and N9 is nuked community22:21
DocScrutinizer05and scattered repos22:21
dos1i know about aegis, and that's all22:21
infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
nox-btw what became of jolla, didnt they want to make a `successor' too?22:22
dos1cybrNaut: well, Neo900 is a project to create new board based on GTA04 that will fit into N900 case and will be able to run Fremantle22:22
DocScrutinizer05they shipped my t-shirt recently22:22
DocScrutinizer05I should have taken XXXXXL, which maybe would have fit to my door22:23
dos1cybrNaut: err, for end user it's meant to be a complete device :)22:23
dos1(some people are confused about that, so just clearing it out)22:24
DocScrutinizer05better that!22:24
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DocScrutinizer05dos1: I minted the term GTA04-NeoN for the board22:25
DocScrutinizer05while Neo900 is clearly a complete assembled device ready to unpack, insert battery, flash OS, enjoy22:26
DocScrutinizer05GTA04-N900 felt like "ouch my fingers"22:27
dos1yeah... but from "what has to be done"-pov we have to create board fitting into N900 case before we can sell complete devices22:28
DocScrutinizer05or rather "who broke my tongue?"22:28
dos1so it's easy to become confused while thinking about it22:28
DocScrutinizer05not for end users22:28
DocScrutinizer05only for us devs22:29
dos1GTA04-NeoN looks nice22:29
DocScrutinizer05tthought that, yeah :-D22:29
DocScrutinizer05next board will be ArgoN22:29
DocScrutinizer05CryptoN, XenoN22:29
cybrNautdos1: i don't like hardware keyboards on phones.  But if i can get a neo900 ready to go, I might overlook that.  Is that possible?  or do i have to buy a n900, and swap the boards, and do the effort?22:29
dos1cybrNaut: yes, you'll be able to buy complete Neo900 ready to go22:30
DocScrutinizer05you better get a GTA04 then22:30
dos1you'll probably just have to flash OS, but that'd be all22:31
DocScrutinizer05no hw kbd ;-D22:31
dos1cybrNaut: but there will be an option for getting just a board too22:31
DocScrutinizer05see my post on
DocScrutinizer05it's all in there - meanwhile22:32
dos1299 :)22:32
DocScrutinizer05sometimes old posts are worth rereading ;-)22:32
dos113,3% voted for 700+22:32
DocScrutinizer05it's getting better every day22:33
dos120% for 600+22:33
DocScrutinizer0540 votes22:33
DocScrutinizer05not counting the 3 stealth ones22:33
dos1oh, I didn't even count myself :D22:33
dos1so it's something like 14% ;)22:34
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dos1some votes for ~600 might be important too, as there should be some interest in bare boards, and those will be cheaper a bit22:36
DocScrutinizer05not just a bit, ~100..15022:36
dos1I bet most of them just checked the highest price they can afford, without making difference to the board and full device22:37
dos1(just like me :D)22:37
DocScrutinizer05we can factor out such statistical errors22:37
DocScrutinizer05considering that only tmo users can vote at all, I don't give too much about that poll, except for watching trends22:38
DocScrutinizer05about time to send some hw to Nikolaus22:39
dos1it's 30022:40
DocScrutinizer05 is missing on some news, don't you think?22:40
dos1sadly last vote went to something lower than 600 :P22:41
DocScrutinizer05don't worry, we'll pick them all up when we have sth to show off22:42
GeneralAntillesWe're all terrible busy and/or lazy.22:42
DocScrutinizer05hi GA!!!22:42
DocScrutinizer05I started worrying22:42
GeneralAntillesIf you can con some more people into aggregating stuff onto the Twitter I might find the energy to summarize stuff.22:43
GeneralAntillesSelling a house. :/22:43
DocScrutinizer05been there done that. No fun22:43
DocScrutinizer0510 min might cost you a few $$$$$22:44
DocScrutinizer05if you're saying the wrong thing22:44
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how long that parcel from the denerous donor will take to arrive. Or if it got sent at all22:45
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DocScrutinizer05I seem to have to sacrifice another one of my babies D-`,:22:46
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DocScrutinizer05time to sign some contract with GolDeliCo22:48
DocScrutinizer05UGH, wouldn't that diqualify me for council? \o/22:48
dos1you're getting a job? :D22:49
DocScrutinizer05I#m pondering to ask Nikolaus to sign some sort of commercial agreement with me22:49
DocScrutinizer05I wasted some 30 days of work into that so far, so what? But sending out one of my very own N900 babies to let it slaughter by him, that's definitely *my* red line22:50
dos1i see ;)22:51
dos1but why would that disqualify you for council? :o22:51
DocScrutinizer05see rules22:51
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DocScrutinizer05You have to declare any commercial relation to Nokia or other companies who are into selling maemo products. OWTTE22:52
dos1is Neo900 an Maemo product? ;)22:53
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DocScrutinizer05though rles have another loophole there for late "employments", I think I could use it as an excuse ;-)22:53
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DocScrutinizer05and resigning from council would make my life a lot easier22:54
DocScrutinizer05>>Package autobuildertest_0.1-4_armel.changes was installed to suite fremantle<<22:55
DocScrutinizer05thanks autobuilder for letting me know22:55
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DocScrutinizer05>>Package mc_4.8.10-0maemo4_armel.changes was installed to suite fremantle<<22:55
DocScrutinizer05301 WTH?! :-)22:56
DocScrutinizer05I actually think I did not the worst job to explain why we can't go cheaper than 70022:57
DocScrutinizer05and still offering an attractive set of features22:58
dos1I think your FPTF post might attract some new people, who look at Fremantle subforum but not at N900 one22:58
DocScrutinizer05well, maybe this whole thing is just starting to move, eh?22:59
dos1but vote no. 301 was for 300EUR :(22:59
* DocScrutinizer05 waits for /. and ct.de22:59
DocScrutinizer05about time to consider a kickstarter for funding the prototypes23:00
DocScrutinizer05500EUR buys you your name etched to the PCB, if you buy a device23:00
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DocScrutinizer051000 gets you one of the prototypes23:00
dos1pledge 50 EUR and your name will be included into About screen on the device23:01
DocScrutinizer05no problem23:01
dos1pledge 300 and your name will be displayed on first boot tutorial23:01
dos1pledge 100000 and we'll rename the project after you23:01
cybrNautis fremantle an OS?23:02
dos1cybrNaut: yup. Maemo 523:02
dos1aka the N900 version23:02
cybrNautwikipedia has nothing on it... even the disambiguation page has nothing23:03
DocScrutinizer05I already forgot what been the N800 codename23:03
dos1it's a codename for Maemo 523:03
sixwheeledbeastand an AFL team and a port/town and a Media company ....23:03
DocScrutinizer05err, maybe23:04
SosicacybrNaut: <-- the real wiki23:04
sixwheeledbeastcodenames are "winds" IIRC23:04
dos1hmm, nope, Diablo was an upgrade for N81023:04
DocScrutinizer05Chinook, how could I forget23:04
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DocScrutinizer05RM-742   :-(((23:09
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dos1DocScrutinizer05: it's nice... but it would most likely still have the same harmattan as n9 :(23:12
DocScrutinizer05yep, uaergh!23:12
DocScrutinizer05with a a ae... AEGIS!! D-:23:13
DocScrutinizer05and a "use QtM or don't bother writing apps" policy23:13
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* DocScrutinizer05 doing another fancy: summing up "preorder" total23:21
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: I don't twitter (only the birds in my garden), but if you explain the procedure to dos1 I bet he's willing to help with a few short notices23:34
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DocScrutinizer05dos1: nice. but based on number of users23:36
DocScrutinizer05you could argue amount of money is more relevant23:36
dos1DocScrutinizer05: right... and this one looks even nicer: :)23:40
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dos1half of the money comes from 500+ alone23:43
dos1and almost quarter from 700+23:44
dos1looks good to me23:44
dos1GeneralAntilles: and I can confirm what Doc said :)23:46
GeneralAntillesdos1, see
GeneralAntillesAny help aggregating stories would be greatly appreciated.23:50
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PaliccxCZ: ping23:58

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