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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: can you manually turn off a port on a compatible hub on linux? or is it nonstandard? | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err, I dunno | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the command on low level protocol is standard, though optional | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if and how this command is exposed on libusb et al API | 01:09 |
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| Luke-Jr | SpeedEvil: at boot | 02:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: eyah - i'm wondering if iut's coming from the network or not | 02:18 |
| Luke-Jr | I suspect it's some kind of CDMA2000 SIM | 02:18 |
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| ShadowJK | There's a /sys invocation that can switch power per port | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obvious | 02:29 |
| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: but 99% of ports don't support it | 02:37 |
| Luke-Jr | hubs* | 02:37 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 02:38 |
| ShadowJK | There's a new craze on ebay $1 hubs | 02:39 |
| ShadowJK | It's a proper circuit board, but all the components have been removed and replaced with solder blobs | 02:39 |
| ShadowJK | it doesn't work, except for stupid shit like usb led lights or whatever | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | hah | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Really? | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | i wonder if that's the exporter getting screwed by the factory | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | Could be. the case has been semitranslucent, and the picture has showed the board populated | 02:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome ripp-off | 03:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | link? | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it wasn't for the shipping, it probably still was worth the money | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, I wouldn't bother to package shit for $1 | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the package itself is more expensive | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the whole thing still makes for a great charger plug multiplier | 03:18 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi | 03:50 |
| DrCode | can i had two mail widget for two mail accout? | 03:54 |
| mashina | neo900 sounds crazy and too ambitious | 03:55 |
| mashina | i can see replacement mobo reujsing perpherials and case | 03:55 |
| mashina | but booting stovk imahes with modem and nolo and shit is too silly | 03:55 |
| mashina | sorry typing on n900 | 03:56 |
| DrCode | I hope that will be new phone like n900 with update hardware,its the best phone I had | 04:00 |
| Macer | wow. hell of a chemical fire | 04:00 |
| Macer | http://www.kitguru.net/components/memory/faith/hynix-fabs-on-fire-after-chemical-explosion/ | 04:00 |
| mashina | id love a good slider with modern specs and a good os (not android) | 04:01 |
| Macer | dram prices went up 10% in the first hour lol | 04:01 |
| mashina | but neo900 is a bad execution | 04:01 |
| Macer | mashina: sliders are nearly impossible to find | 04:01 |
| Macer | good ones especially | 04:01 |
| Macer | maybe ms will make one lol | 04:01 |
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| Macer | nokia lumia 1420 Pro | 04:01 |
| Macer | heh | 04:01 |
| mashina | id switch to wp | 04:02 |
| mashina | i kinda like kt too | 04:02 |
| mashina | but i need xmpp, osm, ir, ssh, and a browser | 04:02 |
| mashina | also nokia rape via elop was dick move | 04:02 |
| mashina | and id miss a real jnix fast | 04:02 |
| Macer | yah me too | 04:03 |
| Macer | heh | 04:03 |
| Macer | you can install IM+ ;) | 04:03 |
| Macer | although the ssh client is kind of a pain | 04:04 |
| Macer | since it multitasks like ios | 04:04 |
| mashina | android multitasking is brain dead but wp and ios are prdictably shitty | 04:04 |
| mashina | unlike android random slaughter | 04:04 |
| Macer | well... it isn't real true multitasking | 04:05 |
| Macer | heh | 04:05 |
| Macer | timed background services with front ends | 04:05 |
| Macer | ssh wasn't too bad so long as you set your shell up to auto start screen | 04:05 |
| Macer | and detatch/reattach the screen upon connect | 04:05 |
| Macer | other than that i honestly didn't have a problem with my wp7.5 phone | 04:06 |
| Macer | that and no qwerty :( | 04:06 |
| mashina | tmux >screen | 04:06 |
| Macer | yah. tmux is ok. i just use screen. they both work just fine | 04:06 |
| Macer | i had to use tmux on my synology because screen kept dying for whatever reason | 04:06 |
| Macer | now i'm running a beastly freenas box so i don't have to worry about such things anymore heh | 04:07 |
| Macer | but if i can't use an n900 or if for whatever reason i no longer have one i'll take the nokia/ms route heh | 04:08 |
| Macer | vs android or ios | 04:08 |
| Macer | blackberry is all but dead. even tho. i wouldn't mind a q10 heh | 04:08 |
| mashina | but bbos! | 04:09 |
| Macer | heh | 04:10 |
| Macer | bbos = symbia n | 04:10 |
| beford | If you do video encoding, you need a GPU. | 04:11 |
| Macer | awesome os but nobody wants it anymore if it costs more than $150 | 04:11 |
| beford | er, wrong channel | 04:11 |
| Macer | i like the direction ms is taking with their stuff tho. | 04:11 |
| Macer | they are making everything look professional again | 04:12 |
| mashina | i want opennes | 04:12 |
| Macer | so i am sure companies will swap to that route vs iphones in the years to come | 04:12 |
| Macer | there is no such thing | 04:12 |
| Macer | ask the guys here lol | 04:12 |
| Macer | the big problem isnt the software. it is the hardware side | 04:13 |
| Macer | there is no such thing as real open hardware that is readily available | 04:13 |
| mashina | open hardware for the masses | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mashina: uhuh! | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too silly? | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you assuming we'd need NOLO to boot maemo is silly | 04:42 |
| DrCode | is there new hardware phone like n900 with same wifi hw? | 04:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 04:46 |
| DrCode | i also use n900 for monitor mode | 04:47 |
| quackquack | "<mashina> open hardware for the masses" i am working on it. | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mashina: maemo got booted on e.g. zoom, do you think they used NOLO? | 04:47 |
| quackquack | i am trying to rewrite the x-loader and replace u-boot/nolo with coreboot. | 04:47 |
| quackquack | as of now there is no progress. | 04:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if it's already Friday | 04:48 | |
| quackquack | i will update when i am done with something atleast. | 04:48 |
| quackquack | as of now i been just reading the pdfs | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quackquack: what you're telling? | 04:50 |
| quackquack | DocScrutinizer05, i am porting coreboot to n900. | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah! nice :-9 | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) even | 04:51 |
| quackquack | first step is reading all those gigantic documents.... thanks to TI for making them available unlike other vendors. | 04:51 |
| quackquack | DocScrutinizer05, :-) | 04:51 |
| quackquack | i cant comment on when i will finish it. but expect a little (long time) while before i do something productive. | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you know about omapwiki stuff? | 04:52 |
| quackquack | yep. xvilka told me he will help me with whatever way he can. | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omapedia actually | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project | 04:53 |
| quackquack | plus i am planning to run DPA so i can sniff the e-fuse and read the keys. | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might help | 04:53 |
| quackquack | yes i did. | 04:53 |
| quackquack | http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/Cryptography | 04:54 |
| quackquack | DocScrutinizer05, | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure if you even would *want* to replace x-loader | 04:54 |
| quackquack | using DPA we can read the keys. | 04:54 |
| quackquack | adventure. | 04:55 |
| quackquack | else i will go to BL2 since nokia n900 is not heavily firewalled like blackberry playbook. | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway as soon as you patch x-loader or rebuild it, aiui you need to sign it with the chip specific key again | 04:55 |
| quackquack | a nolo replacement is possible ... | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | x-loader - not | 04:56 |
| quackquack | yes its a headache for me to rebuild | 04:56 |
| quackquack | well right now i am just reading tonnes of omap3430 materials | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even if you can rebuild it, I doubt you can make ROMBOOT load and execute it | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900, though it doesn't show, is a HS device | 04:57 |
| quackquack | its been done for droid | 04:57 |
| quackquack | i know | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui you need proper signature on x-loader or device won't boot | 04:58 |
| quackquack | http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/Booting_chain | 04:58 |
| quackquack | yes. | 04:58 |
| quackquack | DPA will help me obtain the signature and et al. | 04:58 |
| quackquack | i cant comment anything right now. | 04:58 |
| quackquack | but i am trying. | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cool shit | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 04:59 |
| quackquack | little knowledge i possess is dangerous. | 04:59 |
| quackquack | let me learn the basics and then see how we can modify it. | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go for Neo900, it's true open hardware, no HS device ;-D | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 05:00 |
| quackquack | DocScrutinizer05, you heard of SCA? | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 05:00 |
| quackquack | side channel attack | 05:01 |
| quackquack | the real problem will be making it boot | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lolwut? you're running a side channel exploit against omap HS infra? | 05:03 |
| quackquack | or the RTOS execute coreboot instead of x-loader. | 05:03 |
| quackquack | xD | 05:03 |
| quackquack | http://siliconpr0n.org/nolink/e186c30b40ba0e3f/black/black_securid__ns50u_semipol/ DocScrutinizer05 | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL | 05:04 |
| quackquack | some dude is teaching me technique to strip off the cpu and read the code under an electron microscope. | 05:04 |
| quackquack | thats the picture of rsa secure id he is working on. | 05:05 |
| quackquack | i am pretty sure these guys will soon crack it. | 05:05 |
| quackquack | http://siliconpr0n.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start | 05:05 |
| quackquack | good luck. | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 05:06 |
| quackquack | if SCA and DPA fails? | 05:07 |
| quackquack | then only i go to that final step. | 05:07 |
| quackquack | stripping off the CPU layers and then finally read the efuse under electron microscope. | 05:08 |
| quackquack | i hope SCA/DPA will not force me to go that extreme. | 05:08 |
| quackquack | :-) | 05:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://siliconpr0n.org/wiki/doku.php?id=physical_protection <-- also awesome | 05:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | God, the downside of constant work overload: when you got a 60 minutes without anything happening, you die from boredom | 05:46 |
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| quackquack | DocScrutinizer05, ;-) | 06:06 |
| quackquack | like i said killing the chip will be last option. | 06:07 |
| quackquack | sca or pda/dpa first. if it fails? then only i attack it physically. | 06:07 |
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| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: I was recently approached by someone who believes he can break SHA-2 and pretty much all present-used encryption by simply simulating a quantum computer; he just needs funding <.< | 06:10 |
| Luke-Jr | >.> | 06:10 |
| Luke-Jr | (later on I saw him asking why GPUs can't just simulate ASICs to perform equally well) | 06:11 |
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| HtheB | robbiethe1st hi | 06:21 |
| HtheB | sup | 06:21 |
| HtheB | ~seen robbiethe1st | 06:22 |
| infobot | robbiethe1st is currently on #maemo (3h 27m 31s), last said: 'when Autodesk and Catia offer a Linux version'. | 06:22 |
| quackquack | "<Luke-Jr> (later on I saw him asking why GPUs can't just simulate ASICs to perform equally well)" looks like i am worse than that, because the who is helping me told me you need 1 sem min to learn to design your first sca board. | 06:26 |
| quackquack | "<azonenberg> Basically, you're trying to jump from "total noob" to "PhD-level research project" overnight" :\ | 06:27 |
| quackquack | :-p | 06:27 |
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| quackquack | Luke-Jr, SHA-2 can be broken, anything related to encryption can be broken and will be broken eventually. it just depends how much will power is involved. and secondly unless those device are anti-dpa and anti-sca certified they can be snooped. http://www.newae.com/openadc does it. and he presented recently in BH 2013 US and Dubai. | 06:31 |
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| Luke-Jr | … | 06:31 |
| quackquack | look out for the live demo by the dude who actually did perform a SCA live | 06:32 |
| quackquack | anyway i need to first learn how to make my first http://www.newae.com/openadc type prototype to sniff the keys. i am day dreaming i guess, back to bookworm mode | 06:33 |
| HtheB | quackquack | 06:34 |
| quackquack | HtheB | 06:34 |
| HtheB | sorry, i just find it funny to say quackquack :P | 06:34 |
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| HtheB | heheh | 06:35 |
| quackquack | no problem. i will duck as usual hehehehe | 06:35 |
| HtheB | :D | 06:35 |
| quackquack | HtheB, when i told about this to pali he called and labeled me an insane guy. xD | 06:36 |
| quackquack | so i will duck again HtheB | 06:36 |
| HtheB | :D | 06:36 |
| HtheB | as long as its not duck, as in: bend over | 06:36 |
| HtheB | :P | 06:37 |
| quackquack | quack quack :-p | 06:40 |
| HtheB | haha | 06:43 |
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| Macer | so like | 08:36 |
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| Macer | connecting to fb with conversations doesnt fetch the contacts to your contact list anymore? | 08:36 |
| Macer | i dont see any of them | 08:36 |
| Macer | :-/ | 08:37 |
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| Macer | wtf | 08:48 |
| Macer | i remember adding the fb acct as adding your contacts to the n900 | 08:48 |
| Macer | maybe it is because i have exchange syncing? | 08:50 |
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| XATRIX | Can anyone advice me what is the software on the screenshot ? http://www.fonearena.com/blog//wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Sygic_on_Nokia_N900_Maemo.jpg?99eae0 | 11:33 |
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| divVerent | XATRIX: it is maybe called Sygic? | 11:36 |
| divVerent | yes :P | 11:37 |
| divVerent | Sygic Mobile Maps | 11:37 |
| divVerent | they no longer offer it for Maemo | 11:38 |
| XATRIX | Yea, it is | 11:38 |
| XATRIX | I found it on PirateBay torrents | 11:38 |
| divVerent | XATRIX: next time read the URL before asking ;) the link contains "Sygic on Nokia N900" | 11:38 |
| XATRIX | :) | 11:38 |
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| XATRIX | Yea, my fault | 11:38 |
| divVerent | XATRIX: and yes, apparently there is a cracked version. But I would advise against it. | 11:38 |
| divVerent | especially as you likely don't get any map updates for it | 11:38 |
| divVerent | and the cracked version seems from 2010 | 11:39 |
| divVerent | it looks cool though... | 11:39 |
| XATRIX | Yea, i'd like to test it a bit | 11:39 |
| divVerent | for personal use, I still am somewhat stuck with MoNav | 11:39 |
| XATRIX | The native maemo maps is a bit stranfe | 11:39 |
| XATRIX | /strange | 11:39 |
| divVerent | MoNav is OpenStreetMap based and works pretty wel;l | 11:40 |
| divVerent | but no 3D view | 11:40 |
| XATRIX | it doesn't recalculate route if i go another road | 11:40 |
| divVerent | yes, but has a quick reachable recalculate button | 11:40 |
| divVerent | so that part alone doesn't annoy me yet | 11:40 |
| XATRIX | where is it ? | 11:40 |
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| divVerent | oh wait, or did Monav recalculate? I forgot | 11:40 |
| divVerent | it works fine for me though | 11:40 |
| divVerent | MoNav is somewhere in the apt repos | 11:40 |
| divVerent | has a strange user interface, that one has to admit | 11:40 |
| XATRIX | No no, i'm talking about the recalc button for Nokai Maps | 11:41 |
| divVerent | but given the OSM maps are great for where i live (around Zürich), that is ok | 11:41 |
| divVerent | oh, I don't use Nokia Maps :P | 11:41 |
| divVerent | I use MoNav | 11:41 |
| XATRIX | :) | 11:41 |
| divVerent | I don't even remember why I don't use Nokia Maps | 11:41 |
| divVerent | I hated it, just forgot why | 11:41 |
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| divVerent | but yes, there is no good navigation for N900... | 11:42 |
| divVerent | this Sygic would be promising if it still existed | 11:42 |
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| divVerent | the best there are is these OpenStreetMaps based applications... anything else gets no updates if you can still get it at all | 11:42 |
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| XATRIX | Yea | 11:42 |
| divVerent | and for me MoNav was the only OpenStreetMap based one that doesn't crash all the time and actually routes properly :P | 11:43 |
| XATRIX | As long as i know Sygic also can operate openstreetmaps | 11:43 |
| divVerent | but, that one lacks proper navigation mode | 11:43 |
| divVerent | Sygic can? | 11:43 |
| divVerent | also, note that OSM is bad in some areas, good in others | 11:43 |
| divVerent | it seems to beat my Garmin navigation data on my car navigation system in Switzerland | 11:43 |
| divVerent | but, bought the thing in Germany, they just have bad Switzerland data | 11:43 |
| divVerent | but in the end... despite me working for them, Google Maps is just what works best | 11:44 |
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| divVerent | but not on N900 :( | 11:44 |
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| XATRIX | I live in Ukraine, and Gramin is not a good solution here :) | 11:44 |
| divVerent | hehe | 11:44 |
| divVerent | if Garmin is already bad in Switzerland... | 11:44 |
| XATRIX | Maybe Navitel , or CityGuide | 11:44 |
| divVerent | I don't even want to know what they do in Ukraine then :) | 11:44 |
| divVerent | and OpenStreetMap... does that work well in Ukraine? | 11:45 |
| divVerent | never was there | 11:45 |
| XATRIX | So so... :) | 11:45 |
| divVerent | hehe | 11:45 |
| divVerent | worked well for me around Frankfurt and now around Zürich | 11:45 |
| XATRIX | I wouldn't recommend you to travel to Ukraine anyway :) | 11:45 |
| divVerent | and was actually fastest at marking changes to the roads | 11:45 |
| divVerent | or even avoiding permanent construction sites (HOW I HATE THESE IN FRANKFURT) | 11:45 |
| XATRIX | :)))) | 11:45 |
| divVerent | they tend to remove roads from OSM (or mark them blocked) then they're under construction for months :P | 11:46 |
| XATRIX | EU is good for navigation :) | 11:46 |
| divVerent | sort of :P | 11:46 |
| XATRIX | I can't say the same for past soviet :) | 11:46 |
| divVerent | and in Switzerland... Garmin ALWAYS routes me through Zürich city. I HATE THE CITY. Red lights, bicycles, jams everywhere. | 11:46 |
| divVerent | (well, I hate it for driving through) | 11:46 |
| divVerent | while Google Maps prefers the highways, AS IT SHOULD BE ;) | 11:47 |
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| divVerent | but yes, Ukraine driving... I didn't even know you can have good navigation there, given the state of the road can be... surprising | 11:47 |
| divVerent | my wife told me (she's from the Ukraine, near Donetsk) | 11:47 |
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| divVerent | probably for Ukraine every single map sucks, you maybe want to use two systems and compare the routes :) | 11:48 |
| divVerent | like, I suppose OSM is good at the changing stuff, but bad when outside major cities | 11:48 |
| divVerent | and I suppose the commercially available maps are good for outside cities, but inside a city, they tend to map the roads as they should be, and not as they actually are | 11:50 |
| divVerent | (at least that's how it is in Frankfurt) | 11:50 |
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| XATRIX | divVerent: "MoNav client" or "MoNav routing daemon" ? | 12:28 |
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| Macer | can someone please tell me why adding fb to your im accts doesnt seem to be pulling contacts? | 12:31 |
| divVerent | XATRIX: probably both | 12:34 |
| Macer | grrrrr | 12:37 |
| Macer | i dont get it | 12:37 |
| Macer | when i did this last time all my fb contacts synced to the n900 | 12:38 |
| Macer | is that a thing of the past now? | 12:38 |
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| XATRIX | divVerent: don't know, it shows me maps packages dialog | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | automatic unsolicited syncing of all contacts? sounds like robbery, not like a feature you'd want | 12:50 |
| XATRIX | and nothing i can do with it | 12:50 |
| XATRIX | wold map | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, I hope I'm never even one of the contacts in a contact list of somebody who's using such crap | 12:50 |
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| Macer | lol | 12:52 |
| Macer | no DocScrutinizer05 fb contacts | 12:52 |
| Macer | akin to gtalk contact | 12:52 |
| Macer | i remember just connexting to fb xmpp would grab them | 12:52 |
| Macer | connecting | 12:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just bad enough when gmail/google gets to know about my mails I send to those poor pals who thing gmail is a great thing, and about their mails to me. | 12:52 |
| Macer | my problem is | 12:53 |
| Macer | connecting to fb to chat | 12:53 |
| Macer | i have no contacts | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your problem is fb | 12:53 |
| Macer | nor a way to see if theyre online | 12:53 |
| jon_y | refuse to reply unencrypted mails :) | 12:53 |
| Macer | it used to work | 12:53 |
| Macer | i would connect to fb chat | 12:53 |
| Macer | maemo would grab all my fb contacts | 12:53 |
| Macer | done | 12:53 |
| Macer | it no longer does | 12:54 |
| jon_y | maybe fb broke their API | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: BS | 12:54 |
| Macer | probably | 12:54 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: why on earth would i bs about that? | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo *never* automatically imported contacts | 12:54 |
| Macer | yes it did | 12:54 |
| Macer | just like it imported gtalk contacts | 12:55 |
| Macer | how the hell are you supposed to chat? | 12:55 |
| Macer | without a list? | 12:55 |
| Macer | lol | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suuure, just for your *SIMcard* it needs a user command via menu, makes a lot of sense | 12:55 |
| Macer | uhm | 12:55 |
| Macer | k? | 12:55 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: you need a list from an im service | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe your IM client displays the contacts you created on that IM network | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's NOT "importing" though | 12:56 |
| Macer | conversations? lol | 12:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, whatever, I don't use any of those services, so maybe I actually never noticed | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd just consider it a pretty sucking broken design when something gets automatically imported and stored to my device without me even getting a notice about that, not to ask for a way to stop it if it's not what I want | 12:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe by creating a IM account you define an external (IMAP?) addrbook resource that gets merged into those contacts roasters or what they're called, so it displays the fb contacts as if they were local ones | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's however not exactly "importing" the contacts | 13:02 |
| jon_y | IMAP? :( | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather "merging" them with those from your local addrbook | 13:03 |
| jon_y | POP3 forever | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of pop3 based addrbook or calendar resources | 13:04 |
| jon_y | rsync baed :) | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? that's a tool, not a protocol | 13:05 |
| jon_y | ssh+rsync based to synchronize | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of that | 13:05 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: ok. semantics? really? | 13:06 |
| Macer | fine. why wont they sync then? | 13:06 |
| Macer | :-P | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 13:06 |
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| Macer | gee | 13:09 |
| Macer | thanks | 13:09 |
| Macer | see.. just added skype | 13:09 |
| Macer | and contacts appear | 13:10 |
| Macer | added gtalk | 13:10 |
| Macer | contacts appear | 13:10 |
| Macer | maybe if i add fb as jabber | 13:10 |
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| Macer | nope. so guess it is fb | 13:13 |
| Macer | fb and maemo no longr get along | 13:13 |
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| jon_y | fb is telling you get the fb phone | 13:13 |
| jon_y | the latest phone you need, all your fb friends already have it :) | 13:14 |
| jon_y | I wonder if fb is big enough to start an unethical social experiment without getting called out on | 13:14 |
| Macer | lol | 13:15 |
| Macer | more like telling me: your phone is ancient and conversations is no longer supported | 13:16 |
| Macer | hehehe | 13:16 |
| jon_y | if they're big enough, no one will notice | 13:16 |
| Macer | i can try pidgen | 13:16 |
| jon_y | since they are "everyone" | 13:16 |
| Macer | but then i lose integration :-/ | 13:16 |
| Wizzup | people still use facebook these days? :) | 13:16 |
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| Macer | heh | 13:17 |
| Macer | well. everybody i know does. especially my friends from the service | 13:17 |
| Macer | we all went our ways and are scattered across the US | 13:17 |
| Macer | (and elsewhere) | 13:17 |
| Wizzup | oh, most people I know use it too, I just don't talk to them over facebook, so I can actually chat to them when I see them | 13:18 |
| Wizzup | Facebook sucks away all the possibilities for a fun conversation | 13:18 |
| jon_y | not using atmospheric reflection to communicate? :) | 13:18 |
| Macer | jon_y: not anymore ;) | 13:18 |
| Macer | but hf sucked :-P | 13:18 |
| jon_y | or that reflection off the moon | 13:19 |
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| Macer | we used to use encrypted hf @ 2400bps | 13:19 |
| jon_y | though it only works if you have a giant antenna and visible moon at night | 13:19 |
| Macer | no fun at all | 13:19 |
| Macer | well. i guess i go lame and try pidgin | 13:20 |
| Macer | and lose my integration | 13:20 |
| Macer | sigh | 13:20 |
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| Macer | ok. guess fb is broken lol | 13:25 |
| Macer | their jabber server isnt sending a list | 13:26 |
| divVerent | XATRIX: read some documentation about that | 13:28 |
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| divVerent | XATRIX: MoNav needs some setup | 13:28 |
| divVerent | http://monav.openstreetmap.de/ | 13:29 |
| divVerent | XATRIX: you need this | 13:29 |
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| XATRIX | ok thanks | 13:36 |
| XATRIX | divVerent: look, i have to setup a server for monav somewhere on PC, and later connect to it using N900 ? | 13:40 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer51: http://www.reddit.com/r/Neo900 :D | 13:53 |
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| dos1 | or DocScrutinizer05... which one is what? :x | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't matter much | 14:00 |
| divVerent | XATRIX: no | 14:00 |
| divVerent | works locally for me | 14:00 |
| divVerent | just too long ago since I ever set it up | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks :-) | 14:00 |
| divVerent | in my setup, the visible maps come from the internet, the routing is stored locally and has to be updated manually sometimes (should do that BTW, but need to read how these are generated) | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: alas again they don't get the point that Neo900 is a *complete* device, not just a swap moBo | 14:01 |
| divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: isn't that essentially the same, given almost everything is on the mainboard? | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | divVerent: dafaq? you don't need a case, dide? | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dude* | 14:02 |
| divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: case is not very much, functionally. I just need SOME case... | 14:02 |
| divVerent | and a N900 in a totally different case would to me still be a N900 | 14:02 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: I'll write few comments there | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh | 14:02 |
| divVerent | I BTW hate ONE thing about the N900 case... | 14:02 |
| divVerent | when the keyboard is slid out, the volume buttons are hard to reach | 14:02 |
| divVerent | but that's all | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hate a LOT of things about N900 case | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it's best we could get | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not many phones with proper hw kbd around nowadays | 14:03 |
| divVerent | I eventually have to figure out whether I can fix the volume issue in software | 14:03 |
| divVerent | because for video playing, I would like both volume and seeking accessible - and seeking is on the arrow keys | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | divVerent: that's damn easy | 14:03 |
| divVerent | yes, probably just need a daemon to support the XF86 volume keys... | 14:03 |
| divVerent | and map some key combo to them | 14:04 |
| divVerent | either that, or a patch to the video player | 14:04 |
| divVerent | I am already using OpenMediaPlayer anyway | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess it's a matter of kbd mapping to place F6/7(?) on e.g. shift-alt-PLUS/MINUS | 14:04 |
| divVerent | F6/7? | 14:04 |
| divVerent | so you say OMP already supports volume setting via keyboard | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what Vol+/- are | 14:04 |
| divVerent | and one just has to map it | 14:04 |
| divVerent | OH nice :) | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 7/8 | 14:05 |
| divVerent | I use an edited keymap anyway... so thanks | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I forgot | 14:05 |
| divVerent | this helps | 14:05 |
| divVerent | rest probably is a job for xev | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 14:05 |
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| divVerent | hm... alt-arrow sends same keys in tty as arrow keys... so they can't be THAT useful :) | 14:06 |
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| divVerent | indeed, also does nothing in the note editor | 14:06 |
| divVerent | so probably alt-arrow it'll be :) | 14:06 |
| divVerent | still, it probably would have been better if the volume buttons were on the display part, not the keyboard/mobo part of the case | 14:07 |
| divVerent | but, it's my only gripe with the case. I like it otherwise - the N900 fell down a few times already, and the case did a good job at protecting the display | 14:07 |
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| divVerent | I like how the display is a bit sunk in compared to the outer "ring" of the case | 14:08 |
| divVerent | (or should I say, I dislike the fact that this is not so on the Nexus 4) | 14:08 |
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| divVerent | Thanks, DocScrutinizer05, works now. Cannot decide yet whether I want to use updown or leftright arrows for volume... maybe I will find a use for the other one | 14:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yw, glad it worked :-) | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: keep me updated please! | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we make it to /. | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 14:19 |
| divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: wonder if there is a good place where I can post my keyboard mapping BTW | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, that prolly would be tmo | 14:20 |
| divVerent | it seems to be the perfect german layout for US N900 devices :) i.e. with all ASCII supported, and all German/French/... characters via dead keys | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tales attachments when they aren't too large | 14:20 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: ok ;) haven't seen ./ story yet, just few comments | 14:20 |
| divVerent | t stands for? | 14:21 |
| divVerent | ah, talk | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tmo | 14:21 |
| infobot | tmo is, like, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. | 14:21 |
| divVerent | yes, probably... will post a diff and the full file there soon | 14:21 |
| divVerent | have ONE issue with it though... wonder if you know this issue | 14:21 |
| divVerent | in HamsterFiler, and only there, I cannot enter [] into the file name rename box | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | search for a thrad about kbd mappings, I bet there's AT LEAST one | 14:21 |
| divVerent | which I mapped to shift-alt-hj | 14:22 |
| divVerent | it enters round parentheses then, which are on alt-hj | 14:22 |
| divVerent | other shift-alt mappings seem to work there though | 14:22 |
| divVerent | so do you happen to know if HamsterFiler uses anything "weird" as text entry box? | 14:22 |
| divVerent | other such entry boxes that look the same in Maemo don't have the issue | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Keyboard | 14:23 |
| divVerent | no, not that issue :) | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then maybe Qt? | 14:23 |
| divVerent | but doesn't everything use Qt? | 14:23 |
| divVerent | then other text entry boxes would have the same problem | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard Qt using its own kbd "driver" that's totally weird | 14:23 |
| divVerent | yes, just why should it depend on which application owns the entry box | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Qt is "compiled in2 to the app | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | absolute BS in *all* Qt, with *all* sensors and input devices | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since it's cross-platform, it doesn't make good use of X11 specifics and other platform "proprietary" stuff | 14:26 |
| divVerent | indeed, can reproduce the issue also in other fields of HamsterFiler | 14:26 |
| divVerent | do you happen to know another good file manager? | 14:26 |
| divVerent | the only thing I don't want in the stock one is hiding file name extensions of mp3s, and relying on ID3 tags | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw your weird char didn't reach my PC Konversation IRC clinet as well: just a square | 14:26 |
| divVerent | huh?\ | 14:27 |
| divVerent | it was an [ and a ] | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 14:27 |
| divVerent | I put them on alt-() | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | concatenated | 14:27 |
| divVerent | yes | 14:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | looks like one char here | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | much like any other non-printable char | 14:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys vi_ | 14:29 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'vi_' by key returned no results. | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys vi | 14:29 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'vi' by key (14 of 1075): 128-bit video cards ;; anybody know of a new virus where the extension ;; baldvin ;; cmd: melvin (.*?) ;; cmd: purl: devil (.*?) ;; country virgin islands (us) ;; device3dfx ;; elivia ;; fbview ;; ftp logview ;; giving him op whiles he ;; gravity ;; gview ;; having sex. | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq! | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues mapping | 14:30 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'mapping' by value (19 of 70): gmt ;; hemi ;; i dunno wtf md5 is, but a hashmap ;; just wondering if there ;; karnaugh mapping ;; keyremap ;; mapserver ;; microsoft mouse ;; mmu ;; realtime ;; rfc 1148 ;; rfc 1327 ;; rfc 1449 ;; rfc 1495 ;; rfc 1664 ;; rfc 2156 ;; rfc 2157 ;; rfc 2163 ;; rfc 796. | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kbd | 14:30 |
| infobot | Keytable files and keyboard utilities. URL: ftp://ftp.win.tue.nl/pub/linux/utils/kbd/ | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~vikbd | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__ is a loser, when it comes to factoids ;-) | 14:31 |
| divVerent | weird, HamsterFiler's edit box is just a QTextEdit | 14:35 |
| divVerent | and some other programs use the same Qt libs but don't have the issue | 14:35 |
| divVerent | e.g. taskpoach | 14:35 |
| divVerent | *QLineEdit | 14:35 |
| divVerent | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9490453/ctrlalt-key-modifier-behavior-with-qt-on-windows-when-a-textbox-has-focus - haha, sounds... similar | 14:36 |
| divVerent | I mean, ctrl-alt sure shouldn't cause anything upper case | 14:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the Qt widget alone doesn't already define all properies, it's the .. err.. properties of the widget which do | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | other Qt apps may use same widget but with different properties | 14:43 |
| cybertheque | hello. does anyone here have experience booting the n900 over usb using flasher-3.5 and a minimal initrd image and a kernel? if so, which kernel and modules successfully boot? i have tried the '2.6.37' kernel and modules provided by 'nin101' which produce segfaults on my n900. the only completed boot for me so far is with a 2.6.37 kernel paired with 2.6.28 modules, most of which don't work... | 14:44 |
| cybertheque | ...but at least the boot completes. | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is the whole mess in this Qt kbd interface | 14:44 |
| divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: you are right, but HamsterFiler uses just defaults | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cybertheque: see: | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~rescueos | 14:44 |
| infobot | methinks rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 14:44 |
| cybertheque | that is where i started... | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you already mentioned that | 14:45 |
| cybertheque | segfaults | 14:45 |
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| cybertheque | anyway, i didn't think there really was a 2.6.37 kernel for the n900 from what i read online | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry to hear it doesn't work for you, but it does for others, and it's supposed to be completely independant of device config, so I only see few sources of problem | 14:46 |
| cybertheque | perhaps hardware revision differences. has anyone booted a 2.6.28 kernel? | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you most likely should use stock 2-6-28 | 14:47 |
| cybertheque | tried that directly from the repository | 14:47 |
| cybertheque | no display, machine reboots | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are no known hw-diffs that would make rescueOS fail | 14:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik nin101 provides all that's needed to boot up into rescueOS on his server | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incl kernel and modules which of course need to match | 14:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest to reread the howto | 14:50 |
| cybertheque | ok, does anyone know whereabouts of any bootable diagnostics from nokia? | 14:50 |
| cybertheque | the device does have hardware issues (touch screen failed) which may be a prob in module loadiing i suppose | 14:51 |
| cybertheque | yet the stock o/s boots fine from nand | 14:51 |
| cybertheque | just would like to boot the stock kernel over the wire | 14:52 |
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| cybertheque | also, i am using the n900 mainboard as an embedded device controller in other projects - i would like to connect with others who are working at the bare metal. | 14:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wait a little, eventually somebody may notice your inquiry | 15:00 |
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| cybertheque | kk, thanks | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not many n900 users are using it as controller board | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually NIN101 will drop by here | 15:01 |
| cybertheque | cool | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe ask him directly about the initrd stuff | 15:01 |
| cybertheque | more interested to hear where the 2.6.37 kernel came from | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know about that kernel | 15:02 |
| cybertheque | his kernel | 15:02 |
| cybertheque | if he wrote drivers he doesn't admit it on the website | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's insane, I told him to stay on stock kernel so users can load modules from original system | 15:03 |
| cybertheque | interesting | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems he ignored that advice | 15:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | check out my old version at maemo.cloud-7.de, it might still work with stock kernel, maybe that meets your needs | 15:04 |
| cybertheque | will do right now, thanks | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 15:04 |
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| cybertheque | sorry having trouble finding it - lots of '404's in /NIN101_N900_rescue_os/ | 15:12 |
| cybertheque | NIN101_N900_rescue_os/nin101.uni.cx/N900 shows 0.5.1 versions, all 404 | 15:15 |
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| Mike11 | not sure if this is the right channel to ask, but I have a nokia n9 that is driving me crazy | 18:39 |
| Mike11 | I want to install wazapp, I downloaded the deb file from wazapp website | 18:39 |
| Mike11 | do I need the terminal to install it using dpkg, or is there another method?? | 18:40 |
| beford | double click the deb from afile manager | 18:40 |
| beford | double tap* | 18:40 |
| beford | you need to enable the setting to allow non-ovi apps, can't remember exactly where is | 18:41 |
| Mike11 | I get dependencies error :( | 18:41 |
| Mike11 | already enabled that :( | 18:41 |
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| Mike11 | how to solve that dependency error! | 18:42 |
| beford | in that case it helps to try installing it from terminal | 18:42 |
| beford | to see the full error | 18:42 |
| Mike11 | to know what package I am missing, | 18:42 |
| Mike11 | But I can't start dev mode :( | 18:42 |
| Mike11 | It gives me error : can't install (installation package not found) | 18:42 |
| Mike11 | How to solve that??! | 18:43 |
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| beford | what firmware do you have? | 18:43 |
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| beford | did you use the reset option from the phone? | 18:43 |
| Mike11 | How to know?? | 18:43 |
| Mike11 | no | 18:44 |
| Mike11 | *#0000#?? | 18:44 |
| beford | it's in Settings, about | 18:44 |
| Mike11 | MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan | 18:44 |
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| Mike11 | I am really starting to hate the phone :( | 18:44 |
| Mike11 | PR1.1.1 | 18:45 |
| beford | latest firmware is PR1.3 | 18:45 |
| beford | it seems that you are using an outdated version | 18:45 |
| beford | oh and #harmattan is a better place to ask | 18:45 |
| Mike11 | do u think that's the problem it is not starting dev mode? | 18:46 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | n9 > #harmattan | 18:47 |
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| cybertheque | ping nin101 | 19:08 |
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| NIN101 | hi cybertheque | 19:10 |
| cybertheque | hi! did you happen to read the thread from this a.m. about the segfaults? | 19:11 |
| NIN101 | what segfaults? | 19:12 |
| cybertheque | booting your 1.1 version of rescueos on my testbed n900 segfaults during module loading and hangs. i was hoping to boot a stock kernel 2.6.28 and its modules but not getting anywhere as the display is blank and device reboots. only luck is booting your 2.6.37 kernel (where did that come from?) without any modules or with 2.6.28 modules, some of whicch load. | 19:14 |
| cybertheque | device has defective touch screen, otherwise stock o/s boots fine from nand flash (recently reflashed the 'combined' bin) so it is factory default at the moment. this says that the stock kernel works, but i would like to be able to boot the stock kernel over the wire. | 19:16 |
| NIN101 | I can't help you with booting 2.6.28 with rescueOS. | 19:18 |
| cybertheque | i will d/l your kernel sources next - did you write drivers? did you patch? what can you tell me if there are necessary changes to permit usb booting? | 19:19 |
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| NIN101 | nope, didn't write any drivers and didn't patch kernel source either. | 19:21 |
| NIN101 | where the kernel came from: meego-ce summer edition 2011 or something | 19:21 |
| cybertheque | why did you use 2.6.37? | 19:21 |
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| NIN101 | it happened to be easier with it. | 19:22 |
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| NIN101 | mainly because it was easier to convince it to boot from microsd than stock kernel... | 19:23 |
| cybertheque | i see | 19:24 |
| cybertheque | k, thanks - that helps me to make some decisions | 19:26 |
| NIN101 | so you are saying that booting rescueOS with 2.6.37 when there modules fails? | 19:26 |
| cybertheque | yes | 19:26 |
| NIN101 | the default image comes with modules, it boots fine on mine and other devices. | 19:27 |
| cybertheque | good devices i am sure - certain h/w failures may make a difference | 19:28 |
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| cybertheque | but is a valid case | 19:28 |
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| cybertheque | new question: anyone here involved in administering 'talk.maemo.org'? would like to register... been waiting 'few days' for quite a few days ;-) | 19:54 |
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| cybertheque | for the chat log record: regarding module segfaults during 2.6.37 rescueos boot, i will attach a serial terminal to the uart and make it the console to permit capturing a boot log for analysis and report results (somewhere). | 20:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | Don't tell me I actually have to boot into a 32 bit linux to use the most recent maemo flasher... | 20:25 |
| Shapeshifter | Any ideas what 32bit libs it requires? | 20:26 |
| beford | i thought flasher was statically linked | 20:27 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Shapeshifter: "dpkg -i --force-architecture <flasher-package-name>" as per wiki page? | 20:30 |
| Shapeshifter | sixwheeledbeast: I'm not on a debian derivate | 20:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ah sorry | 20:31 |
| Shapeshifter | sixwheeledbeast: apart from that, there simply is no 64bit version of the most recent flasher available for download, it seems. | 20:31 |
| Shapeshifter | The only 64bit flasher available is flasher_3.12.1_amd64.deb | 20:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | no there isn't AFAIK | 20:31 |
| Shapeshifter | which is old, I suppose. | 20:32 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | that's for N8x0 is it not? | 20:34 |
| Shapeshifter | possibly | 20:34 |
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| ShadowJK | it is | 20:38 |
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| Macer | wow | 21:30 |
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| Macer | this lack of fb to draw contacts using its xmpp server | 21:31 |
| Macer | has become a pain. wth? | 21:31 |
| Macer | hermes is pretty much useless | 21:33 |
| dos1 | Macer: hmm? I can see all my fb contacts via xmpp | 21:35 |
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| Macer | yeah i can't seem to | 21:48 |
| Macer | it works on Psi tho | 21:48 |
| Macer | on my win box | 21:49 |
| Macer | odd | 21:49 |
| Macer | i tried connecting via FB in conversations | 21:49 |
| Macer | wth. maybe i am missing something | 21:50 |
| Macer | because Psi is getting the contact list | 21:50 |
| Macer | nope. still doesn't work. i tried changing the resource | 21:53 |
| Macer | maybe it is a problem with cssu-s? | 21:53 |
| Macer | because for whatever reason whether i use xmpp or i use the actual fb method of connecting maemo won't grab my contacts but Psi on my windows box does | 21:55 |
| Macer | :-/ | 21:55 |
| Macer | pidgin doesn't grab them either | 21:55 |
| Macer | maybe there is some lib that is jacked up? | 21:55 |
| dos1 | pidgin on my freerunner shows them too | 21:57 |
| Macer | wth? | 21:57 |
| dos1 | but there's something strange while they're loading | 21:58 |
| Macer | yah no idea what is going on | 21:58 |
| dos1 | right after login it shows 53/0 | 21:58 |
| Macer | i used to just connect to fb and it worked | 21:58 |
| Macer | i'd get fb contacts in my contact list | 21:58 |
| dos1 | where 53 is number of online users, and 0 is number of total users | 21:58 |
| Macer | then use the fb migrator and merge them | 21:58 |
| dos1 | and no contacts visible | 21:58 |
| Macer | lol | 21:58 |
| Macer | yah. i don't get any contacts visible in maemo | 21:58 |
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| dos1 | until it fully loads, then it's ok | 21:58 |
| Macer | fml | 21:59 |
| Macer | lol | 21:59 |
| Macer | i need the fb connectivity | 21:59 |
| Macer | i'm enabling testing to try to update libs | 21:59 |
| dos1 | so definitely there's something strange in xmpp handling on fb servers | 21:59 |
| Macer | maybe there is a problem with some lib? | 21:59 |
| dos1 | but all of my clients seem to be able to handle that | 21:59 |
| Macer | it is driving me nuts heh | 21:59 |
| Macer | i'll update to cssu-t | 22:00 |
| Macer | dos1: is that what you are running? | 22:00 |
| Macer | cssu testing? | 22:00 |
| Macer | i hate to do it but this one is kind of a deal breaker heh | 22:01 |
| Macer | i need that fb functionality | 22:01 |
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| Macer | it has to be some outdated shared lib if both pidgin and conversations isn't working with it | 22:02 |
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| freemangordon | guys, we (tech stuff) think we fixed the fremantle1-3 repo mess, please launch HAM and check if there are updates to stable applications and if you can install KP52 for example (don't install it if you don;t want, just verify it is there). Make sure your distribution for maemo-extras catalog is fremantle-1.3 | 22:10 |
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| Macer | nope | 22:14 |
| Macer | updating to testing didn't help :-/ | 22:15 |
| Macer | no fb contacts still | 22:15 |
| * Macer facepalms | 22:15 | |
| Macer | ok. that's it. i'll just get a lumia 521.. they're $120 lol | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | Macer: did you try to remove and readd your fb account on the device? | 22:20 |
| Macer | multiple times | 22:22 |
| Macer | do i have to remove it from the "sharing" as well? | 22:22 |
| freemangordon | I guess so | 22:22 |
| freemangordon | well, try it | 22:22 |
| Macer | wow seriously? | 22:22 |
| Macer | lol | 22:22 |
| Macer | ok . i guess i can try | 22:22 |
| freemangordon | Macer: BTW facebrick changed something in their API 2-3 weeks ago, all the contacts names changed to negative integers. but it is fixed now | 22:23 |
| Macer | that is what i see when i connect | 22:23 |
| Macer | it doesn't seem fixed ;) | 22:23 |
| freemangordon | it is fixed here | 22:24 |
| Macer | well i just updated to testing | 22:24 |
| Macer | am i msising something here? :) | 22:24 |
| freemangordon | I guess it needs time for the changes to propagade to all the servers worldwide | 22:24 |
| Macer | ah well. as far as i can tell | 22:25 |
| Macer | Psi on the windows desktop works fine | 22:25 |
| Macer | maemo doesn't show any FB contacts when i connect | 22:26 |
| Macer | :-/ | 22:26 |
| Macer | nor does pidgin on the n900 | 22:26 |
| * Macer is dumbfounded lol | 22:26 | |
| Macer | ah well. what can you do? ;) | 22:26 |
| Macer | lumia 521 supports a microsd | 22:27 |
| freemangordon | Macer: well, it seems there is some problem, I'll check WTF is going on when I have time | 22:27 |
| freemangordon | Macer: luckily for you I use FB chat from time to time :P | 22:27 |
| freemangordon | Macer: hmm, yeah, there is no online/ofline status for FB contacts | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [maemo notice] we "fixed" the fremantle-vs-fremantle1.3 issue in extras(-*) repositories, so there should be a whole plethora of "new" apps resp updates available in HAM now | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [maemo notice addendum] we removed the obsolete fremantle-1.2 catalog/repo | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui ;-P | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no, fremantle-1.2 is still there | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohwell | 22:43 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: we might fix it someday, when everything else works and we have nothing to do :D | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fix? | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't fix a broken rotten corrupted repo | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | remove the repo and symlink it to fremantle, or something | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it is supposed to have all the packages of back when pr1.2 got replaced by 1.3 | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | broken? no, it is fine | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's complete cruft. Or do you say it has *any* of those packages that got replaced by incompatible newer versions for pr1.3? | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well, the final verdict from me and merlin1991 so far is that it is "fremantle" repo which should keep the old packages | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it has just ONE package left over from 1.2, then I admit it might be of some (very limited) value to 1 or 2 users | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | we symlinked fremantle-1.3->fremantle-1.2 | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | are you nuts? | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: see the channl logs on #maemo-admin | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | or backscroll, whatever | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or look here: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-09-03.log.html#t2013-09-03T22:49:01 | 22:49 |
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| freemangordon | 20:51 <merlin1991> back on the old infra | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | <merlin1991> I compared extras | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | <merlin1991> fremantle-1.2 and fremantle-1.3 were identical | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, xes did that | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | on the old infra? | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it doesn't matter what's identical, this just proves that fremantle1.2 is BORKED | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look here: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-09-03.log.html#t2013-09-03T22:49:01 | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle-1.2 got invented(!) to KEEP STATIC on level of PR1.2 | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when it isn't then it been corrupted | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: Qt version changed in PR1.2 iirc | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's fremantle and fremantle-1.2 which are supposed to be identical | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | hmm, not according to the scripts | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I give a **** on the scripts, a flock of flakes rushed over them | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what on earth could be the rationale and justification for fremantle-1.2 == fremantle-1.3?!? | 22:55 |
| Macer | lol | 22:56 |
| freemangordon | frematle repo keeping pre-PR1.2 stuff (because of the Qt for example) | 22:57 |
| freemangordon | ? | 22:57 |
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| Macer | freemangordon: yah. fb support looks totally borked heh | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the whole concept is completely damaged anyway, since we evidently didn't keep any sane old snapshot of the repos, so we have: devices with "extras fremantle free nonfree" and device with "extras fremantle-1.3 free nonfree", and both are supposed to be identical repos. And if we got any with fremantle-1.2 then... too bad and their fault,, nobody ever told them to do this | 22:58 |
| Macer | hopefully it is some fb retardation although i find it odd psi works fine on the windows box | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle-1.3 as of 12h ago been on upgrade level of 2012-12-28 | 22:59 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you can bet we have devices with fremantle-1.2 free non-free, I bet there are users who are still on PR 1.2 | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's useless for absolutely everything | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: when fremantle-1.2 == fremantle-1.3 then they either never do an upgrade or they don't use those devices anymore since >18 months | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since: | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle-1.3 as of 12h ago been on upgrade level of 2012-12-28 | 23:01 |
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| Macer | think i will go grab a lumia 521 if any are in stock at the tmob store heh | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're hichly excited to hear that Macer | 23:02 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: packages.gz on fremantle-1.3 was updated every time a package was entering the repos. but you should already know that, I am sure you read the backscroll on #maemo-admin | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so WUT? | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | did you read my explanation and the following conversation with merlin1991? | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 23:05 |
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| freemangordon | Then I don;t understand what is not clear to you | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you read https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-09-03.log.html#t2013-09-03T22:49:01 FFS? | 23:05 |
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| freemangordon | yes, so what? nothing changed in fremantle-1.3 since 28.12.2012, because that was the last day of the old infra | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | and in the new infra fremantle-1.3 was no more a symlink (on stage that is), but a directory where nothing gets copied | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, I even recall arguing with x-fade about whether or not extras-devel should also get fremantle-1.2 repo to allow users to restore their extras-devel packages when they didn't update to pr1.3 | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | we talk about extras, not extras-devel | 23:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if the desk will take that hard headdesking | 23:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NO DUDE, We TALK about fremantle-1.* repos | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | extras-devel is only one, with fremantle-1.2 and fremantle-1.2 symlinked to fremantle | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | *fremantle-1.3 | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well, I talk about maemo-extras, not maemo-extras-testing or maemo-extras-devel | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and FYI, my bitching didn't help, x-fade told me extras-devel will NOT get past frozen snapshots for users who don't want to upgrade to new PR | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and my point is: BEEN THERE, INVENTED THAT | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't tell me how it is supposed to work now, based on your analysis of fsckdup scipts and bogus deleted symlinks | 23:10 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: are we talking about extras or extras-devel repo? | 23:10 |
| Shapeshifter | What's going on? DocScrutinizer05: is that a dead link? | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WE TALK ABOUT FREMANTLE-1.3! | 23:11 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: FREMANTLE-1.3 is a DISTRIBUTION, NOT A REPOSITORY | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | extras is supposed to have a fremantle-1.2 repo that keeps frozen on the level when pr1.3 rolled out. testing and devel NOT | 23:12 |
| Shapeshifter | What for? | 23:12 |
| merlin1991 | well fremantle-1.2 was never frozen | 23:12 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: Besides your take on that, do you have it written/spoken anywhere? | 23:12 |
| Shapeshifter | Why keep 1.2? | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why ITS CORRUPTED | 23:13 |
| merlin1991 | nothing we can do against it though | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | delete it | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | its as useless as a pile of broken champagne bottles | 23:13 |
| merlin1991 | but fremantle is frozen | 23:14 |
| merlin1991 | only -1.3 never activated properly | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and fremantle and fremantle-1.3 is supposed to be the VERY SAME repo for extras. for extras-testing and extras-devel it SHALL NOT exist | 23:14 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: delete as remove it completely or delete as symlink it to fremantle? fremantle-1.2 that is. | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | delete as "rename it" | 23:15 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: why should fremantle and fremantle-1.3 be the very same repo? | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | move it to blade-a/aux | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: because 10% of devices out there have "extras fremantle free nonfree" | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: wait, what? that means they are on PR1.1 or less | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's nonsense | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | you can't edit maemo-extras catalog in HAM, at least on PR1.3 | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | iirc | 23:17 |
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| merlin1991 | yep | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle been a "rolling version" ever | 23:17 |
| merlin1991 | it's a "system" catalogue | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAH! | 23:18 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: but it is fremantle-1.3 in pr 1.3 | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe on your reflashed devices that never seen anything older than pr1.2 | 23:18 |
| merlin1991 | fremantle-1.2 in pr 1.2 and fremantle before that | 23:18 |
| freemangordon | and fremantle-1.2 on PR1.2 | 23:18 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 23:19 |
| merlin1991 | the thing is the extras repo comes from a ham related package | 23:19 |
| merlin1991 | which got updated in each pr | 23:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | my extras comes from what I edited into HAM add catalog | 23:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | on PR1.0 | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: that is why it makes way more sense the frozen repo to be "fremantle", not "fremantle1.2" as Qt broke lots of app when PR1.2 came out | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle evidently never been a frozen repo | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it been borked since last xmas | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but never frozen | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually no, fremantle-1.3 been borked, fremantle been working | 23:21 |
| merlin1991 | it's true though | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seen last update just today | 23:21 |
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| merlin1991 | fremantle is updated aswell | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | Skeleton crew at work tonight... I turn on a 15kW machine to siphon power off of it for N900 radio streaming.. N900 charger trips the breaker :) I loled | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: again, packages.gz got updated every time a package was entering extras | 23:22 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: fremantle saw all the same updates as fremantle-1.2 | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't give a shit about Packages.gz | 23:22 |
| merlin1991 | essentially we have 0 forzen distributions | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 23:23 |
| merlin1991 | when can simply symlink all pools and declare the distributions f00bar | 23:23 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you should, as this is what HAM/apt cares about | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 23:23 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ofc we can do that | 23:23 |
| merlin1991 | but we have to keep the distributions for the various users out there | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: please stop pretending stupid. | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: it's irrelevant what's in packages gz since that's only a dir of what PACKAGES are in repo | 23:24 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: of course we can symlink 1.2 and 1.3 to fremantle, but that to happen we have to modify promote scripts, midgard and whatnot | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 7me starts vomiting in despair | 23:25 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: just look at package-promote.php and you'll (hopefully) get what I mean | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it "worked" til last xmas, then it got messed up. Now you tell me we can't unmess it?? | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NO I WONT LOOK AT SCRIPTS!!! | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since: | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-09-05 21:54:12] <DocScrutinizer05> I give a **** on the scripts, a flock of flakes rushed over them | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | show me the scripts of last autumn and i'll happily study them | 23:27 |
| freemangordon | those distributions are hardcoded all over the place. I don;t say it is impossible, just IMO we have higher priority tasks. Like restoring the full midgard functionality, just look here http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even then, I'll just point you to the bugs in them | 23:27 |
| freemangordon | updated 2012-11-27 15:15 UTC | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh right, we have higher prio tasks than a working repo | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | the repo works just fine now | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure!!!! with fremantle-1.2 == fremantle-1.3 | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *BET* that works out like a charm | 23:28 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16795 Nov 11 2010 /usr/local/bin/packages/package-promote.php.fmg.01082013 | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | is version from 2010 old enough for you to study it? | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I don't see why I should | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | to get an idea of how all this shit relates to each other | 23:31 |
| dos1 | I want Neo900 case like that: http://dosowisko.net/neo900.png :D | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | or better said - not idea, but deep understanding | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | and why both me and merlin1991 think fremantle-1.3 should be a copy of fremantle-1.2 | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't need any deep understanding to see we got one up-to-date and one fubared repo, and we don't need nor want the fubared one, so this leaves us with exactly one repo flavour: fremantle-1.3 | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we're going to delete all other cruft. period | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm done with this now | 23:34 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: we are at this state now | 23:35 |
| merlin1991 | only a bit of duplication in terms of files | 23:35 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: are you sure fremantle-1.2 == fremantle? | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine. When I find on repo VM that it doesn't look like that, then *I* will do it | 23:35 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: no you will not | 23:36 |
| merlin1991 | you have a repo admin who tells you it is like that ... | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then get that shit sorted | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, and please remove all the drematletst symlinks | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fremantletest* | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I'll wait for xes to appear and remove them, I still have NFC what you both did | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I did ZILCH | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except losing my mind trying to get some sense into this mess | 23:40 |
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