IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2013-09-05

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kerioDocScrutinizer05: can you manually turn off a port on a compatible hub on linux? or is it nonstandard?01:07
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DocScrutinizer05err, I dunno01:08
DocScrutinizer05I guess the command on low level protocol is standard, though optional01:09
DocScrutinizer05I dunno if and how this command is exposed on libusb et al API01:09
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Luke-JrSpeedEvil: at boot02:17
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SpeedEvilLuke-Jr: eyah - i'm wondering if iut's coming from the network or not02:18
Luke-JrI suspect it's some kind of CDMA2000 SIM02:18
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ShadowJKThere's a /sys invocation that can switch power per port02:27
Luke-JrShadowJK: but 99% of ports don't support it02:37
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ShadowJKThere's a new craze on ebay $1 hubs02:39
ShadowJKIt's a proper circuit board, but all the components have been removed and replaced with solder blobs02:39
ShadowJKit doesn't work, except for stupid shit like usb led lights or whatever02:40
SpeedEvili wonder if that's the exporter getting screwed by the factory02:44
ShadowJKCould be. the case has been semitranslucent, and the picture has showed the board populated02:46
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DocScrutinizer05awesome ripp-off03:14
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DocScrutinizer05if it wasn't for the shipping, it probably still was worth the money03:16
DocScrutinizer05I mean, I wouldn't bother to package shit for $103:17
DocScrutinizer05the package itself is more expensive03:17
DocScrutinizer05the whole thing still makes for a great charger plug multiplier03:18
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DrCodehi all03:48
DrCodecan i had two mail widget for two mail accout?03:54
mashinaneo900 sounds crazy and too ambitious03:55
mashinai can see replacement mobo reujsing perpherials and case03:55
mashinabut booting stovk imahes with modem and nolo and shit is too silly03:55
mashinasorry typing on n90003:56
DrCodeI hope that will be new phone like n900 with update hardware,its the best phone I had04:00
Macerwow. hell of a chemical fire04:00
mashinaid love a good slider with modern specs and a good os (not android)04:01
Macerdram prices went up 10% in the first hour lol04:01
mashinabut neo900 is a bad execution04:01
Macermashina: sliders are nearly impossible to find04:01
Macergood ones especially04:01
Macermaybe ms will make one lol04:01
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Macernokia lumia 1420 Pro04:01
mashinaid switch to wp04:02
mashinai kinda like kt too04:02
mashinabut i need xmpp, osm, ir, ssh, and a browser04:02
mashinaalso nokia rape via elop was dick move04:02
mashinaand id miss a real jnix fast04:02
Maceryah me too04:03
Maceryou can install IM+ ;)04:03
Maceralthough the ssh client is kind of a pain04:04
Macersince it multitasks like ios04:04
mashinaandroid multitasking is brain dead but wp and ios are prdictably shitty04:04
mashinaunlike android random slaughter04:04
Macerwell... it isn't real true multitasking04:05
Macertimed background services with front ends04:05
Macerssh wasn't too bad so long as you set your shell up to auto start screen04:05
Macerand detatch/reattach the screen upon connect04:05
Macerother than that i honestly didn't have a problem with my wp7.5 phone04:06
Macerthat and no qwerty :(04:06
mashinatmux >screen04:06
Maceryah. tmux is ok. i just use screen. they both work just fine04:06
Maceri had to use tmux on my synology because screen kept dying for whatever reason04:06
Macernow i'm running a beastly freenas box so i don't have to worry about such things anymore heh04:07
Macerbut if i can't use an n900 or if for whatever reason i no longer have one i'll take the nokia/ms route heh04:08
Macervs android or ios04:08
Macerblackberry is all but dead. even tho. i wouldn't mind a q10 heh04:08
mashinabut bbos!04:09
Macerbbos = symbia n04:10
befordIf you do video encoding, you need a GPU.04:11
Macerawesome os but nobody wants it anymore if it costs more than $15004:11
beforder, wrong channel04:11
Maceri like the direction ms is taking with their stuff tho.04:11
Macerthey are making everything look professional again04:12
mashinai want opennes04:12
Macerso i am sure companies will swap to that route vs iphones in the years to come04:12
Macerthere is no such thing04:12
Macerask the guys here lol04:12
Macerthe big problem isnt the software. it is the hardware side04:13
Macerthere is no such thing as real open hardware that is readily available04:13
mashinaopen hardware for the masses04:15
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DocScrutinizer05mashina: uhuh!04:41
DocScrutinizer05too silly?04:41
DocScrutinizer05you assuming we'd need NOLO to boot maemo is silly04:42
DrCodeis there new hardware phone like n900 with same wifi hw?04:44
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DrCodei also use n900 for monitor mode04:47
quackquack"<mashina> open hardware for the masses" i am working on it.04:47
DocScrutinizer05mashina: maemo got booted on e.g. zoom, do you think they used NOLO?04:47
quackquacki am trying to rewrite the x-loader and replace u-boot/nolo with coreboot.04:47
quackquackas of now there is no progress.04:48
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if it's already Friday04:48
quackquacki will update when i am done with something atleast.04:48
quackquackas of now i been just reading the pdfs04:49
DocScrutinizer05quackquack: what you're telling?04:50
quackquackDocScrutinizer05, i am porting coreboot to n900.04:50
DocScrutinizer05aaah! nice :-904:50
DocScrutinizer05:-) even04:51
quackquackfirst step is reading all those gigantic documents.... thanks to TI for making them available unlike other vendors.04:51
quackquackDocScrutinizer05, :-)04:51
quackquacki cant comment on when i will finish it. but expect a little (long time) while before i do something productive.04:52
DocScrutinizer05you know about omapwiki stuff?04:52
quackquackyep. xvilka told me he will help me with whatever way he can.04:53
DocScrutinizer05omapedia actually04:53
quackquackplus i am planning to run DPA so i can sniff the e-fuse and read the keys.04:53
DocScrutinizer05might help04:53
quackquackyes i did.04:53
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure if you even would *want* to replace x-loader04:54
quackquackusing DPA we can read the keys.04:54
quackquackelse i will go to BL2 since nokia n900 is not heavily firewalled like blackberry playbook.04:55
DocScrutinizer05anyway as soon as you patch x-loader or rebuild it, aiui you need to sign it with the chip specific key again04:55
quackquacka nolo replacement is possible ...04:56
DocScrutinizer05x-loader - not04:56
quackquackyes its a headache for me to rebuild04:56
quackquackwell right now i am just reading tonnes of omap3430 materials04:56
DocScrutinizer05even if you can rebuild it, I doubt you can make ROMBOOT load and execute it04:56
DocScrutinizer05on N90004:57
DocScrutinizer05N900, though it doesn't show, is a HS device04:57
quackquackits been done for droid04:57
quackquacki know04:57
DocScrutinizer05aiui you need proper signature on x-loader or device won't boot04:58
quackquackDPA will help me obtain the signature and et al.04:58
quackquacki cant comment anything right now.04:58
quackquackbut i am trying.04:58
DocScrutinizer05cool shit04:59
quackquacklittle knowledge i possess is dangerous.04:59
quackquacklet me learn the basics and then see how we can modify it.04:59
DocScrutinizer05go for Neo900, it's true open hardware, no HS device ;-D05:00
quackquackDocScrutinizer05, you heard of SCA?05:00
quackquackside channel attack05:01
quackquackthe real problem will be making it boot05:02
DocScrutinizer05lolwut? you're running a side channel exploit against omap HS infra?05:03
quackquackor the RTOS execute coreboot instead of x-loader.05:03
quackquack DocScrutinizer0505:04
quackquacksome dude is teaching me technique to strip off the cpu and read the code under an electron microscope.05:04
quackquackthats the picture of rsa secure id he is working on.05:05
quackquacki am pretty sure these guys will soon crack it.05:05
quackquackgood luck.05:05
quackquackif SCA and DPA fails?05:07
quackquackthen only i go to that final step.05:07
quackquackstripping off the CPU layers and then finally read the efuse under electron microscope.05:08
quackquacki hope SCA/DPA will not force me to go that extreme.05:08
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DocScrutinizer05  <-- also awesome05:21
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DocScrutinizer05God, the downside of constant work overload: when you got a 60 minutes without anything happening, you die from boredom05:46
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quackquackDocScrutinizer05, ;-)06:06
quackquacklike i said killing the chip will be last option.06:07
quackquacksca or pda/dpa first. if it fails? then only i attack it physically.06:07
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Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: I was recently approached by someone who believes he can break SHA-2 and pretty much all present-used encryption by simply simulating a quantum computer; he just needs funding <.<06:10
Luke-Jr(later on I saw him asking why GPUs can't just simulate ASICs to perform equally well)06:11
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HtheBrobbiethe1st hi06:21
HtheB~seen robbiethe1st06:22
infobotrobbiethe1st is currently on #maemo (3h 27m 31s), last said: 'when Autodesk and Catia offer a Linux version'.06:22
quackquack"<Luke-Jr> (later on I saw him asking why GPUs can't just simulate ASICs to perform equally well)" looks like i am worse than that, because the who is helping me told me you need 1 sem min to learn to design your first sca board.06:26
quackquack"<azonenberg> Basically, you're trying to jump from "total noob" to "PhD-level research project" overnight" :\06:27
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quackquackLuke-Jr, SHA-2 can be broken, anything related to encryption can be broken and will be broken eventually. it just depends how much will power is involved. and secondly unless those device are anti-dpa and anti-sca certified they can be snooped. does it. and he presented recently in BH 2013 US and Dubai.06:31
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quackquacklook out for the live demo by the dude who actually did perform a SCA live06:32
quackquackanyway i need to first learn how to make my first type prototype to sniff the keys. i am day dreaming i guess, back to bookworm mode06:33
HtheBsorry, i just find it funny to say quackquack :P06:34
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quackquackno problem. i will duck as usual hehehehe06:35
quackquackHtheB, when i told about this to pali he called and labeled me an insane guy. xD06:36
quackquackso i will duck again HtheB06:36
HtheBas long as its not duck, as in: bend over06:36
quackquackquack quack :-p06:40
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Macerso like08:36
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Macerconnecting to fb with conversations doesnt fetch the contacts to your contact list anymore?08:36
Maceri dont see any of them08:36
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Maceri remember adding the fb acct as adding your contacts to the n90008:48
Macermaybe it is because i have exchange syncing?08:50
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XATRIXCan anyone advice me what is the software on the screenshot ?
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divVerentXATRIX: it is maybe called Sygic?11:36
divVerentyes :P11:37
divVerentSygic Mobile Maps11:37
divVerentthey no longer offer it for Maemo11:38
XATRIXYea, it is11:38
XATRIXI found it on PirateBay torrents11:38
divVerentXATRIX: next time read the URL before asking ;) the link contains "Sygic on Nokia N900"11:38
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XATRIXYea, my fault11:38
divVerentXATRIX: and yes, apparently there is a cracked version. But I would advise against it.11:38
divVerentespecially as you likely don't get any map updates for it11:38
divVerentand the cracked version seems from 201011:39
divVerentit looks cool though...11:39
XATRIXYea, i'd like to test it a bit11:39
divVerentfor personal use, I still am somewhat stuck with MoNav11:39
XATRIXThe native maemo maps is a bit stranfe11:39
XATRIX /strange11:39
divVerentMoNav is OpenStreetMap based and works pretty wel;l11:40
divVerentbut no 3D view11:40
XATRIXit doesn't recalculate route if i go another road11:40
divVerentyes, but has a quick reachable recalculate button11:40
divVerentso that part alone doesn't annoy me yet11:40
XATRIXwhere is it ?11:40
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divVerentoh wait, or did Monav recalculate? I forgot11:40
divVerentit works fine for me though11:40
divVerentMoNav is somewhere in the apt repos11:40
divVerenthas a strange user interface, that one has to admit11:40
XATRIXNo no, i'm talking about the recalc button for Nokai Maps11:41
divVerentbut given the OSM maps are great for where i live (around Zürich), that is ok11:41
divVerentoh, I don't use Nokia Maps :P11:41
divVerentI use MoNav11:41
divVerentI don't even remember why I don't use Nokia Maps11:41
divVerentI hated it, just forgot why11:41
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divVerentbut yes, there is no good navigation for N900...11:42
divVerentthis Sygic would be promising if it still existed11:42
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divVerentthe best there are is these OpenStreetMaps based applications... anything else gets no updates if you can still get it at all11:42
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divVerentand for me MoNav was the only OpenStreetMap based one that doesn't crash all the time and actually routes properly :P11:43
XATRIXAs long as i know Sygic also can operate openstreetmaps11:43
divVerentbut, that one lacks proper navigation mode11:43
divVerentSygic can?11:43
divVerentalso, note that OSM is bad in some areas, good in others11:43
divVerentit seems to beat my Garmin navigation data on my car navigation system in Switzerland11:43
divVerentbut, bought the thing in Germany, they just have bad Switzerland data11:43
divVerentbut in the end... despite me working for them, Google Maps is just what works best11:44
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divVerentbut not on N900 :(11:44
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XATRIXI live in Ukraine, and Gramin is not a good solution here :)11:44
divVerentif Garmin is already bad in Switzerland...11:44
XATRIXMaybe Navitel , or CityGuide11:44
divVerentI don't even want to know what they do in Ukraine then :)11:44
divVerentand OpenStreetMap... does that work well in Ukraine?11:45
divVerentnever was there11:45
XATRIXSo so... :)11:45
divVerentworked well for me around Frankfurt and now around Zürich11:45
XATRIXI wouldn't recommend you to travel to Ukraine anyway :)11:45
divVerentand was actually fastest at marking changes to the roads11:45
divVerentor even avoiding permanent construction sites (HOW I HATE THESE IN FRANKFURT)11:45
divVerentthey tend to remove roads from OSM (or mark them blocked) then they're under construction for months :P11:46
XATRIXEU is good for navigation :)11:46
divVerentsort of :P11:46
XATRIXI can't say the same for past soviet :)11:46
divVerentand in Switzerland... Garmin ALWAYS routes me through Zürich city. I HATE THE CITY. Red lights, bicycles, jams everywhere.11:46
divVerent(well, I hate it for driving through)11:46
divVerentwhile Google Maps prefers the highways, AS IT SHOULD BE ;)11:47
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divVerentbut yes, Ukraine driving... I didn't even know you can have good navigation there, given the state of the road can be... surprising11:47
divVerentmy wife told me (she's from the Ukraine, near Donetsk)11:47
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divVerentprobably for Ukraine every single map sucks, you maybe want to use two systems and compare the routes :)11:48
divVerentlike, I suppose OSM is good at the changing stuff, but bad when outside major cities11:48
divVerentand I suppose the commercially available maps are good for outside cities, but inside a city, they tend to map the roads as they should be, and not as they actually are11:50
divVerent(at least that's how it is in Frankfurt)11:50
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XATRIXdivVerent: "MoNav client" or "MoNav routing daemon" ?12:28
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Macercan someone please tell me why adding fb to your im accts doesnt seem to be pulling contacts?12:31
divVerentXATRIX: probably both12:34
Maceri dont get it12:37
Macerwhen i did this last time all my fb contacts synced to the n90012:38
Maceris that a thing of the past now?12:38
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XATRIXdivVerent: don't know, it shows me maps packages dialog12:50
DocScrutinizer05automatic unsolicited syncing of all contacts? sounds like robbery, not like a feature you'd want12:50
XATRIXand nothing i can do with it12:50
XATRIXwold map12:50
DocScrutinizer05dang, I hope I'm never even one of the contacts in a contact list of somebody who's using such crap12:50
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Macerno DocScrutinizer05 fb contacts12:52
Macerakin to gtalk contact12:52
Maceri remember just connexting to fb xmpp would grab them12:52
DocScrutinizer05it's just bad enough when gmail/google gets to know about my mails I send to those poor pals who thing gmail is a great thing, and about their mails to me.12:52
Macermy problem is12:53
Macerconnecting to fb to chat12:53
Maceri have no contacts12:53
DocScrutinizer05your problem is fb12:53
Macernor a way to see if theyre online12:53
jon_yrefuse to reply unencrypted mails :)12:53
Macerit used to work12:53
Maceri would connect to fb chat12:53
Macermaemo would grab all my fb contacts12:53
Macerit no longer does12:54
jon_ymaybe fb broke their API12:54
DocScrutinizer05Macer: BS12:54
MacerDocScrutinizer05: why on earth would i bs about that?12:54
DocScrutinizer05maemo *never* automatically imported contacts12:54
Maceryes it did12:54
Macerjust like it imported gtalk contacts12:55
Macerhow the hell are you supposed to chat?12:55
Macerwithout a list?12:55
DocScrutinizer05suuure, just for your *SIMcard* it needs a user command via menu, makes a lot of sense12:55
MacerDocScrutinizer05: you need a list from an im service12:56
DocScrutinizer05maybe your IM client displays the contacts you created on that IM network12:56
DocScrutinizer05that's NOT "importing" though12:56
Macerconversations? lol12:56
* Macer facepalms12:57
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DocScrutinizer05meh, whatever, I don't use any of those services, so maybe I actually never noticed12:57
DocScrutinizer05I'd just consider it a pretty sucking broken design when something gets automatically imported and stored to my device without me even getting a notice about that, not to ask for a way to stop it if it's not what I want12:59
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DocScrutinizer05maybe by creating a IM account you define an external (IMAP?) addrbook resource that gets merged into those contacts roasters or what they're called, so it displays the fb contacts as if they were local ones13:01
DocScrutinizer05that's however not exactly "importing" the contacts13:02
jon_yIMAP? :(13:03
DocScrutinizer05rather "merging" them with those from your local addrbook13:03
jon_yPOP3 forever13:03
DocScrutinizer05never heard of pop3 based addrbook or calendar resources13:04
jon_yrsync baed :)13:04
DocScrutinizer05eh? that's a tool, not a protocol13:05
jon_yssh+rsync based to synchronize13:05
DocScrutinizer05never heard of that13:05
MacerDocScrutinizer05: ok. semantics? really?13:06
Macerfine. why wont they sync then?13:06
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Macersee.. just added skype13:09
Macerand contacts appear13:10
Maceradded gtalk13:10
Macercontacts appear13:10
Macermaybe if i add fb as jabber13:10
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Macernope. so guess it is fb13:13
Macerfb and maemo no longr get along13:13
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jon_yfb is telling you get the fb phone13:13
jon_ythe latest phone you need, all your fb friends already have it :)13:14
jon_yI wonder if fb is big enough to start an unethical social experiment without getting called out on13:14
Macermore like telling me: your phone is ancient and conversations is no longer supported13:16
jon_yif they're big enough, no one will notice13:16
Maceri can try pidgen13:16
jon_ysince they are "everyone"13:16
Macerbut then i lose integration :-/13:16
Wizzuppeople still use facebook these days? :)13:16
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Macerwell. everybody i know does. especially my friends from the service13:17
Macerwe all went our ways and are scattered across the US13:17
Macer(and elsewhere)13:17
Wizzupoh, most people I know use it too, I just don't talk to them over facebook, so I can actually chat to them when I see them13:18
WizzupFacebook sucks away all the possibilities for a fun conversation13:18
jon_ynot using atmospheric reflection to communicate? :)13:18
Macerjon_y: not anymore ;)13:18
Macerbut hf sucked :-P13:18
jon_yor that reflection off the moon13:19
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Macerwe used to use encrypted hf @ 2400bps13:19
jon_ythough it only works if you have a giant antenna and visible moon at night13:19
Macerno fun at all13:19
Macerwell. i guess i go lame and try pidgin13:20
Macerand lose my integration13:20
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Macerok. guess fb is broken lol13:25
Macertheir jabber server isnt sending a list13:26
divVerentXATRIX: read some documentation about that13:28
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divVerentXATRIX: MoNav needs some setup13:28
divVerentXATRIX: you need this13:29
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XATRIXok thanks13:36
XATRIXdivVerent: look, i have to setup a server for monav somewhere on PC, and later connect to it using N900 ?13:40
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dos1DocScrutinizer51: :D13:53
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dos1or DocScrutinizer05... which one is what? :x13:57
DocScrutinizer05doesn't matter much14:00
divVerentXATRIX: no14:00
divVerentworks locally for me14:00
divVerentjust too long ago since I ever set it up14:00
DocScrutinizer05thanks :-)14:00
divVerentin my setup, the visible maps come from the internet, the routing is stored locally and has to be updated manually sometimes (should do that BTW, but need to read how these are generated)14:01
DocScrutinizer05dos1: alas again they don't get the point that Neo900 is a *complete* device, not just a swap moBo14:01
divVerentDocScrutinizer05: isn't that essentially the same, given almost everything is on the mainboard?14:01
DocScrutinizer05divVerent: dafaq? you don't need a case, dide?14:02
divVerentDocScrutinizer05: case is not very much, functionally. I just need SOME case...14:02
divVerentand a N900 in a totally different case would to me still be a N90014:02
dos1DocScrutinizer05: I'll write few comments there14:02
divVerentI BTW hate ONE thing about the N900 case...14:02
divVerentwhen the keyboard is slid out, the volume buttons are hard to reach14:02
divVerentbut that's all14:02
DocScrutinizer05I hate a LOT of things about N900 case14:02
DocScrutinizer05but it's best we could get14:03
DocScrutinizer05not many phones with proper hw kbd around nowadays14:03
divVerentI eventually have to figure out whether I can fix the volume issue in software14:03
divVerentbecause for video playing, I would like both volume and seeking accessible - and seeking is on the arrow keys14:03
DocScrutinizer05divVerent: that's damn easy14:03
divVerentyes, probably just need a daemon to support the XF86 volume keys...14:03
divVerentand map some key combo to them14:04
divVerenteither that, or a patch to the video player14:04
divVerentI am already using OpenMediaPlayer anyway14:04
DocScrutinizer05I'd guess it's a matter of kbd mapping to place F6/7(?) on e.g. shift-alt-PLUS/MINUS14:04
divVerentso you say OMP already supports volume setting via keyboard14:04
DocScrutinizer05that's what Vol+/- are14:04
divVerentand one just has to map it14:04
divVerentOH nice :)14:05
DocScrutinizer05maybe 7/814:05
divVerentI use an edited keymap anyway... so thanks14:05
DocScrutinizer05I forgot14:05
divVerentthis helps14:05
divVerentrest probably is a job for xev14:05
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divVerenthm... alt-arrow sends same keys in tty as arrow keys... so they can't be THAT useful :)14:06
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divVerentindeed, also does nothing in the note editor14:06
divVerentso probably alt-arrow it'll be :)14:06
divVerentstill, it probably would have been better if the volume buttons were on the display part, not the keyboard/mobo part of the case14:07
divVerentbut, it's my only gripe with the case. I like it otherwise - the N900 fell down a few times already, and the case did a good job at protecting the display14:07
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divVerentI like how the display is a bit sunk in compared to the outer "ring" of the case14:08
divVerent(or should I say, I dislike the fact that this is not so on the Nexus 4)14:08
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divVerentThanks, DocScrutinizer05, works now. Cannot decide yet whether I want to use updown or leftright arrows for volume... maybe I will find a use for the other one14:17
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DocScrutinizer05yw, glad it worked :-)14:17
DocScrutinizer05dos1: keep me updated please!14:19
DocScrutinizer05maybe we make it to /.14:19
divVerentDocScrutinizer05: wonder if there is a good place where I can post my keyboard mapping BTW14:20
DocScrutinizer05umm, that prolly would be tmo14:20
divVerentit seems to be the perfect german layout for US N900 devices :) i.e. with all ASCII supported, and all German/French/... characters via dead keys14:20
DocScrutinizer05tales attachments when they aren't too large14:20
dos1DocScrutinizer05: ok ;) haven't seen ./ story yet, just few comments14:20
divVerentt stands for?14:21
divVerentah, talk14:21
infobottmo is, like,, or, or It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.14:21
divVerentyes, probably... will post a diff and the full file there soon14:21
divVerenthave ONE issue with it though... wonder if you know this issue14:21
divVerentin HamsterFiler, and only there, I cannot enter [] into the file name rename box14:21
DocScrutinizer05search for a thrad about kbd mappings, I bet there's AT LEAST one14:21
divVerentwhich I mapped to shift-alt-hj14:22
divVerentit enters round parentheses then, which are on alt-hj14:22
divVerentother shift-alt mappings seem to work there though14:22
divVerentso do you happen to know if HamsterFiler uses anything "weird" as text entry box?14:22
divVerentother such entry boxes that look the same in Maemo don't have the issue14:23
divVerentno, not that issue :)14:23
DocScrutinizer05then maybe Qt?14:23
divVerentbut doesn't everything use Qt?14:23
divVerentthen other text entry boxes would have the same problem14:23
DocScrutinizer05I heard Qt using its own kbd "driver" that's totally weird14:23
divVerentyes, just why should it depend on which application owns the entry box14:24
DocScrutinizer05Qt is "compiled in2 to the app14:24
DocScrutinizer05absolute BS in *all* Qt, with *all* sensors and input devices14:25
DocScrutinizer05since it's cross-platform, it doesn't make good use of X11 specifics and other platform "proprietary" stuff14:26
divVerentindeed, can reproduce the issue also in other fields of HamsterFiler14:26
divVerentdo you happen to know another good file manager?14:26
divVerentthe only thing I don't want in the stock one is hiding file name extensions of mp3s, and relying on ID3 tags14:26
DocScrutinizer05btw your weird char didn't reach my PC Konversation IRC clinet as well: just a square14:26
divVerentit was an [ and a ]14:27
divVerentI put them on alt-()14:27
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DocScrutinizer05looks like one char here14:27
DocScrutinizer05much like any other non-printable char14:28
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DocScrutinizer05~listkeys vi_14:29
infobotFactoid search of 'vi_' by key returned no results.14:29
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys vi14:29
infobotFactoid search of 'vi' by key (14 of 1075): 128-bit video cards ;; anybody know of a new virus where the extension ;; baldvin ;; cmd: melvin (.*?) ;; cmd: purl: devil (.*?) ;; country virgin islands (us) ;; device3dfx ;; elivia ;; fbview ;; ftp logview ;; giving him op whiles he ;; gravity ;; gview ;; having sex.14:29
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues mapping14:30
infobotFactoid search of 'mapping' by value (19 of 70): gmt ;; hemi ;; i dunno wtf md5 is, but a hashmap ;; just wondering if there ;; karnaugh mapping ;; keyremap ;; mapserver ;; microsoft mouse ;; mmu ;; realtime ;; rfc 1148 ;; rfc 1327 ;; rfc 1449 ;; rfc 1495 ;; rfc 1664 ;; rfc 2156 ;; rfc 2157 ;; rfc 2163 ;; rfc 796.14:30
infobotKeytable files and keyboard utilities. URL:
DocScrutinizer05vi__ is a loser, when it comes to factoids ;-)14:31
divVerentweird, HamsterFiler's edit box is just a QTextEdit14:35
divVerentand some other programs use the same Qt libs but don't have the issue14:35
divVerente.g. taskpoach14:35
divVerent - haha, sounds... similar14:36
divVerentI mean, ctrl-alt sure shouldn't cause anything upper case14:37
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DocScrutinizer05the Qt widget alone doesn't already define all properies, it's the .. err.. properties of the widget which do14:43
DocScrutinizer05other Qt apps may use same widget but with different properties14:43
cyberthequehello. does anyone here have experience booting the n900 over usb using flasher-3.5 and a minimal initrd image and a kernel? if so, which kernel and modules successfully boot?  i have tried the '2.6.37' kernel and modules provided by 'nin101' which produce segfaults on my n900. the only completed boot for me so far is with a 2.6.37 kernel paired with 2.6.28 modules, most of which don't work...14:44
cybertheque...but at least the boot completes.14:44
DocScrutinizer05which is the whole mess in this Qt kbd interface14:44
divVerentDocScrutinizer05: you are right, but HamsterFiler uses just defaults14:44
DocScrutinizer05cybertheque: see:14:44
infobotmethinks rescueos is
cyberthequethat is where i started...14:44
DocScrutinizer05ooh, you already mentioned that14:45
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cyberthequeanyway, i didn't think there really was a 2.6.37 kernel for the n900 from what i read online14:45
DocScrutinizer05sorry to hear it doesn't work for you, but it does for others, and it's supposed to be completely independant of device config, so I only see few sources of problem14:46
cyberthequeperhaps hardware revision differences. has anyone booted a 2.6.28 kernel?14:46
DocScrutinizer05you most likely should use stock 2-6-2814:47
cyberthequetried that directly from the repository14:47
cyberthequeno display, machine reboots14:47
DocScrutinizer05there are no known hw-diffs that would make rescueOS fail14:47
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DocScrutinizer05afaik nin101 provides all that's needed to boot up into rescueOS on his server14:48
DocScrutinizer05incl kernel and modules which of course need to match14:49
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DocScrutinizer05I suggest to reread the howto14:50
cyberthequeok, does anyone know whereabouts of any bootable diagnostics from nokia?14:50
cyberthequethe device does have hardware issues (touch screen failed) which may be a prob in module loadiing i suppose14:51
cyberthequeyet the stock o/s boots fine from nand14:51
cyberthequejust would like to boot the stock kernel over the wire14:52
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cyberthequealso, i am using the n900 mainboard as an embedded device controller in other projects - i would like to connect with others who are working at the bare metal.14:56
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DocScrutinizer05wait a little, eventually somebody may notice your inquiry15:00
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cyberthequekk, thanks15:01
DocScrutinizer05not many n900 users are using it as controller board15:01
DocScrutinizer05eventually NIN101 will drop by here15:01
DocScrutinizer05maybe ask him directly about the initrd stuff15:01
cyberthequemore interested to hear where the 2.6.37 kernel came from15:02
DocScrutinizer05I don't know about that kernel15:02
cyberthequehis kernel15:02
cyberthequeif he wrote drivers he doesn't admit it on the website15:02
DocScrutinizer05that's insane, I told him to stay on stock kernel so users can load modules from original system15:03
DocScrutinizer05seems he ignored that advice15:03
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DocScrutinizer05check out my old version at, it might still work with stock kernel, maybe that meets your needs15:04
cyberthequewill do right now, thanks15:04
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cyberthequesorry having trouble finding it - lots of '404's in  /NIN101_N900_rescue_os/15:12
cyberthequeNIN101_N900_rescue_os/ shows 0.5.1 versions, all 40415:15
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Mike11not sure if this is the right channel to ask, but I have a nokia n9 that is driving me crazy18:39
Mike11I want to install wazapp, I downloaded the deb file from wazapp website18:39
Mike11do I need the terminal to install it using dpkg, or is there another method??18:40
beforddouble click the deb from afile manager18:40
beforddouble tap*18:40
befordyou need to enable the setting to allow non-ovi apps, can't remember exactly where is18:41
Mike11I get dependencies error :(18:41
Mike11already enabled that :(18:41
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Mike11how to solve that dependency error!18:42
befordin that case it helps to try installing it from terminal18:42
befordto see the full error18:42
Mike11to know what package I am missing,18:42
Mike11But I can't start dev mode :(18:42
Mike11It gives me error : can't install (installation package not found)18:42
Mike11How to solve that??!18:43
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befordwhat firmware do you have?18:43
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beforddid you use the reset option from the phone?18:43
Mike11How to know??18:43
befordit's in Settings, about18:44
Mike11MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan18:44
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Mike11I am really starting to hate the phone :(18:44
befordlatest firmware is PR1.318:45
befordit seems that you are using an outdated version18:45
befordoh and #harmattan is a better place to ask18:45
Mike11do u think that's the problem it is not starting dev mode?18:46
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sixwheeledbeastn9 > #harmattan18:47
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cyberthequeping nin10119:08
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NIN101hi cybertheque19:10
cyberthequehi! did you happen to read the thread from this a.m. about the segfaults?19:11
NIN101what segfaults?19:12
cyberthequebooting your 1.1 version of rescueos on my testbed n900 segfaults during module loading and hangs.  i was hoping to boot a stock kernel 2.6.28 and its modules but not getting anywhere as the display is blank and device reboots.  only luck is booting your 2.6.37 kernel (where did that come from?) without any modules or with 2.6.28 modules, some of whicch load.19:14
cyberthequedevice has defective touch screen, otherwise stock o/s boots fine from nand flash (recently reflashed the 'combined' bin) so it is factory default at the moment.  this says that the stock kernel works, but i would like to be able to boot the stock kernel over the wire.19:16
NIN101I can't help you with booting 2.6.28 with rescueOS.19:18
cyberthequei will d/l your kernel sources next - did you write drivers? did you patch?  what can you tell me if there are necessary changes to permit usb booting?19:19
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NIN101nope, didn't write any drivers and didn't patch kernel source either.19:21
NIN101where the kernel came from: meego-ce summer edition 2011 or something19:21
cyberthequewhy did you use 2.6.37?19:21
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NIN101it happened to be easier with it.19:22
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NIN101mainly because it was easier to convince it to boot from microsd than stock kernel...19:23
cyberthequei see19:24
cyberthequek, thanks - that helps me to make some decisions19:26
NIN101so you are saying that booting rescueOS with 2.6.37 when there modules fails?19:26
NIN101the default image comes with modules, it boots fine on mine and other devices.19:27
cyberthequegood devices i am sure - certain h/w failures may make a difference19:28
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cyberthequebut is a valid case19:28
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cyberthequenew question: anyone here involved in administering ''? would like to register... been waiting 'few days' for quite a few days ;-)19:54
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cyberthequefor the chat log record: regarding module segfaults during 2.6.37 rescueos boot, i will attach a serial terminal to the uart and make it the console to permit capturing a boot log for analysis and report results (somewhere).20:00
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ShapeshifterDon't tell me I actually have to boot into a 32 bit linux to use the most recent maemo flasher...20:25
ShapeshifterAny ideas what 32bit libs it requires?20:26
befordi thought flasher was statically linked20:27
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sixwheeledbeastShapeshifter: "dpkg -i --force-architecture <flasher-package-name>" as per wiki page?20:30
Shapeshiftersixwheeledbeast: I'm not on a debian derivate20:30
sixwheeledbeastah sorry20:31
Shapeshiftersixwheeledbeast: apart from that, there simply is no 64bit version of the most recent flasher available for download, it seems.20:31
ShapeshifterThe only 64bit flasher available is flasher_3.12.1_amd64.deb20:31
sixwheeledbeastno there isn't AFAIK20:31
Shapeshifterwhich is old, I suppose.20:32
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sixwheeledbeastthat's for N8x0 is it not?20:34
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ShadowJKit is20:38
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Macerthis lack of fb to draw contacts using its xmpp server21:31
Macerhas become a pain. wth?21:31
Macerhermes is pretty much useless21:33
dos1Macer: hmm? I can see all my fb contacts via xmpp21:35
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Maceryeah i can't seem to21:48
Macerit works on Psi tho21:48
Maceron my win box21:49
Maceri tried connecting via FB in conversations21:49
Macerwth. maybe i am missing something21:50
Macerbecause Psi is getting the contact list21:50
Macernope. still doesn't work. i tried changing the resource21:53
Macermaybe it is a problem with cssu-s?21:53
Macerbecause for whatever reason whether i use xmpp or i use the actual fb method of connecting maemo won't grab my contacts but Psi on my windows box does21:55
Macerpidgin doesn't grab them either21:55
Macermaybe there is some lib that is jacked up?21:55
dos1pidgin on my freerunner shows them too21:57
dos1but there's something strange while they're loading21:58
Maceryah no idea what is going on21:58
dos1right after login it shows 53/021:58
Maceri used to just connect to fb and it worked21:58
Maceri'd get fb contacts in my contact list21:58
dos1where 53 is number of online users, and 0 is number of total users21:58
Macerthen use the fb migrator and merge them21:58
dos1and no contacts visible21:58
Maceryah. i don't get any contacts visible in maemo21:58
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dos1until it fully loads, then it's ok21:58
Maceri need the fb connectivity21:59
Maceri'm enabling testing to try to update libs21:59
dos1so definitely there's something strange in xmpp handling on fb servers21:59
Macermaybe there is a problem with some lib?21:59
dos1but all of my clients seem to be able to handle that21:59
Macerit is driving me nuts heh21:59
Maceri'll update to cssu-t22:00
Macerdos1: is that what you are running?22:00
Macercssu testing?22:00
Maceri hate to do it but this one is kind of a deal breaker heh22:01
Maceri need that fb functionality22:01
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Macerit has to be some outdated shared lib if both pidgin and conversations isn't working with it22:02
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freemangordonguys, we (tech stuff) think we fixed the fremantle1-3 repo mess, please launch HAM and check if there are updates to stable applications and if you can install KP52 for example (don't install it if you don;t want, just verify it is there). Make sure your distribution for maemo-extras catalog is fremantle-1.322:10
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Macerupdating to testing didn't help :-/22:15
Macerno fb contacts still22:15
* Macer facepalms22:15
Macerok. that's it. i'll just get a lumia 521.. they're $120 lol22:17
freemangordonMacer: did you try to remove and readd your fb account on the device?22:20
Macermultiple times22:22
Macerdo i have to remove it from the "sharing" as well?22:22
freemangordonI guess so22:22
freemangordonwell, try it22:22
Macerwow seriously?22:22
Macerok . i guess i can try22:22
freemangordonMacer: BTW facebrick changed something in their API 2-3 weeks ago, all the contacts names changed to negative integers. but it is fixed now22:23
Macerthat is what i see when i connect22:23
Macerit doesn't seem fixed ;)22:23
freemangordonit is fixed here22:24
Macerwell i just updated to testing22:24
Maceram i msising something here? :)22:24
freemangordonI guess it needs time for the changes to propagade to all the servers worldwide22:24
Macerah well. as far as i can tell22:25
MacerPsi on the windows desktop works fine22:25
Macermaemo doesn't show any FB contacts when i connect22:26
Macernor does pidgin on the n90022:26
* Macer is dumbfounded lol22:26
Macerah well. what can you do? ;)22:26
Macerlumia 521 supports a microsd22:27
freemangordonMacer: well, it seems there is some problem, I'll check WTF is going on when I have time22:27
freemangordonMacer: luckily for you I use FB chat from time to time :P22:27
freemangordonMacer: hmm, yeah, there is no online/ofline status for FB contacts22:29
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DocScrutinizer05[maemo notice] we "fixed" the fremantle-vs-fremantle1.3 issue in extras(-*) repositories, so there should be a whole plethora of "new" apps resp updates available in HAM now22:40
DocScrutinizer05[maemo notice addendum] we removed the obsolete fremantle-1.2 catalog/repo22:40
DocScrutinizer05aiui ;-P22:41
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no, fremantle-1.2 is still there22:42
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: we might fix it someday, when everything else works and we have nothing to do :D22:44
DocScrutinizer05you can't fix a broken rotten corrupted repo22:45
freemangordonremove the repo and symlink it to fremantle, or something22:45
DocScrutinizer05it is supposed to have all the packages of back when pr1.2 got replaced by 1.322:45
freemangordonbroken? no, it is fine22:45
DocScrutinizer05it's complete cruft. Or do you say it has *any* of those packages that got replaced by incompatible newer versions for pr1.3?22:46
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well, the final verdict from me and merlin1991 so far is that it is "fremantle" repo which should keep the old packages22:46
DocScrutinizer05if it has just ONE package left over from 1.2, then I admit it might be of some (very limited) value to 1 or 2 users22:47
freemangordonwe symlinked fremantle-1.3->fremantle-1.222:47
DocScrutinizer05are you nuts?22:47
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: see the channl logs on #maemo-admin22:47
freemangordonor backscroll, whatever22:48
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DocScrutinizer05or look here:
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freemangordon20:51 <merlin1991> back on the old infra22:51
freemangordon<merlin1991> I compared extras22:51
freemangordon<merlin1991> fremantle-1.2 and fremantle-1.3 were identical22:51
DocScrutinizer05no, xes did that22:51
freemangordonon the old infra?22:51
DocScrutinizer05and it doesn't matter what's identical, this just proves that fremantle1.2 is BORKED22:51
DocScrutinizer05look here:
DocScrutinizer05fremantle-1.2 got invented(!) to KEEP STATIC on level of PR1.222:52
DocScrutinizer05when it isn't then it been corrupted22:53
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: Qt version changed in PR1.2 iirc22:53
DocScrutinizer05it's fremantle and fremantle-1.2 which are supposed to be identical22:53
freemangordonhmm, not according to the scripts22:53
DocScrutinizer05I give a **** on the scripts, a flock of flakes rushed over them22:54
DocScrutinizer05what on earth could be the rationale and justification for fremantle-1.2 == fremantle-1.3?!?22:55
freemangordonfrematle repo keeping pre-PR1.2 stuff (because of the Qt for example)22:57
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Macerfreemangordon: yah. fb support looks totally borked heh22:58
DocScrutinizer05the whole concept is completely damaged anyway, since we evidently didn't keep any sane old snapshot of the repos, so we have: devices with "extras fremantle free nonfree" and device with "extras fremantle-1.3 free nonfree", and both are supposed to be identical repos. And if we got any with fremantle-1.2 then... too bad and their fault,, nobody ever told them to do this22:58
Macerhopefully it is some fb retardation although i find it odd psi works fine on the windows box22:59
DocScrutinizer05fremantle-1.3 as of 12h ago been on upgrade level of 2012-12-2822:59
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: you can bet we have devices with fremantle-1.2 free non-free, I bet there are users who are still on PR 1.222:59
DocScrutinizer05so it's useless for absolutely everything23:00
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: when fremantle-1.2 == fremantle-1.3 then they either never do an upgrade or they don't use those devices anymore since >18 months23:00
DocScrutinizer05fremantle-1.3 as of 12h ago been on upgrade level of 2012-12-2823:01
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Macerthink i will go grab a lumia 521 if any are in stock at the tmob store heh23:02
DocScrutinizer05we're hichly excited to hear that Macer23:02
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: packages.gz on fremantle-1.3 was updated every time a package was entering the repos. but you should already know that, I am sure you read the backscroll on #maemo-admin23:03
DocScrutinizer05so WUT?23:04
freemangordondid you read my explanation and the following conversation with merlin1991?23:04
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freemangordonThen I don;t understand what is not clear to you23:05
DocScrutinizer05did you read FFS?23:05
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freemangordonyes, so what? nothing changed in fremantle-1.3 since 28.12.2012, because that was the last day of the old infra23:06
freemangordonand in the new infra fremantle-1.3 was no more a symlink (on stage that is), but a directory where nothing gets copied23:07
DocScrutinizer05hell, I even recall arguing with x-fade about whether or not extras-devel should also get fremantle-1.2 repo to allow users to restore their extras-devel packages when they didn't update to pr1.323:07
freemangordonwe talk about extras, not extras-devel23:07
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if the desk will take that hard headdesking23:07
DocScrutinizer05NO DUDE, We TALK about fremantle-1.* repos23:08
freemangordonextras-devel is only one, with fremantle-1.2 and fremantle-1.2 symlinked to fremantle23:08
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well, I talk about maemo-extras, not maemo-extras-testing or maemo-extras-devel23:09
DocScrutinizer05and FYI, my bitching didn't help, x-fade told me extras-devel will NOT get past frozen snapshots for users who don't want to upgrade to new PR23:09
DocScrutinizer05and my point is: BEEN THERE, INVENTED THAT23:10
DocScrutinizer05don't tell me how it is supposed to work now, based on your analysis of fsckdup scipts and bogus deleted symlinks23:10
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: are we talking about extras or extras-devel repo?23:10
ShapeshifterWhat's going on? DocScrutinizer05: is that a dead link?23:11
DocScrutinizer05WE TALK ABOUT FREMANTLE-1.3!23:11
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: FREMANTLE-1.3 is a DISTRIBUTION, NOT A REPOSITORY23:11
DocScrutinizer05extras is supposed to have a fremantle-1.2 repo that keeps frozen on the level when pr1.3 rolled out. testing and devel NOT23:12
ShapeshifterWhat for?23:12
merlin1991well fremantle-1.2 was never frozen23:12
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: Besides your take on that, do you have it written/spoken anywhere?23:12
ShapeshifterWhy keep 1.2?23:13
DocScrutinizer05that's why ITS CORRUPTED23:13
merlin1991nothing we can do against it though23:13
DocScrutinizer05delete it23:13
DocScrutinizer05its as useless as a pile of broken champagne bottles23:13
merlin1991but fremantle is frozen23:14
merlin1991only -1.3 never activated properly23:14
DocScrutinizer05and fremantle and fremantle-1.3 is supposed to be the VERY SAME repo for extras. for extras-testing and extras-devel it SHALL NOT exist23:14
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: delete as remove it completely or delete as symlink it to fremantle? fremantle-1.2 that is.23:14
DocScrutinizer05delete as "rename it"23:15
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: why should fremantle and fremantle-1.3 be the very same repo?23:15
DocScrutinizer05move it to blade-a/aux23:15
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: because 10% of devices out there have "extras fremantle free nonfree"23:15
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: wait, what? that means they are on PR1.1 or less23:16
DocScrutinizer05that's nonsense23:17
freemangordonyou can't edit maemo-extras catalog in HAM, at least on PR1.323:17
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DocScrutinizer05fremantle been a "rolling version" ever23:17
merlin1991it's a "system" catalogue23:17
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: but it is fremantle-1.3 in pr 1.323:18
DocScrutinizer05maybe on your reflashed devices that never seen anything older than pr1.223:18
merlin1991fremantle-1.2 in pr 1.2 and fremantle before that23:18
freemangordonand fremantle-1.2 on PR1.223:18
merlin1991the thing is the extras repo comes from a ham related package23:19
merlin1991which got updated in each pr23:19
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DocScrutinizer05my extras comes from what I edited into HAM add catalog23:19
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DocScrutinizer05on PR1.023:20
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: that is why it makes way more sense the frozen repo to be "fremantle", not "fremantle1.2" as Qt broke lots of app when PR1.2 came out23:20
DocScrutinizer05fremantle evidently never been a frozen repo23:20
DocScrutinizer05it been borked since last xmas23:20
DocScrutinizer05but never frozen23:20
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DocScrutinizer05actually no, fremantle-1.3 been borked, fremantle been working23:21
merlin1991it's true though23:21
DocScrutinizer05it seen last update just today23:21
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merlin1991fremantle is updated aswell23:21
ShadowJKSkeleton crew at work tonight... I turn on a 15kW machine to siphon power off of it for N900 radio streaming.. N900 charger trips the breaker :) I loled23:21
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: again, packages.gz got updated every time a package was entering extras23:22
merlin1991freemangordon: fremantle saw all the same updates as fremantle-1.223:22
DocScrutinizer05I don't give a shit about Packages.gz23:22
merlin1991essentially we have 0 forzen distributions23:22
merlin1991when can simply symlink all pools and declare the distributions f00bar23:23
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: you should, as this is what HAM/apt cares about23:23
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: ofc we can do that23:23
merlin1991but we have to keep the distributions for the various users out there23:23
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: please stop pretending stupid.23:23
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: it's irrelevant what's in packages gz since that's only a dir of what PACKAGES are in repo23:24
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: of course we can symlink 1.2 and 1.3 to fremantle, but that to happen we have to modify promote scripts, midgard and whatnot23:24
DocScrutinizer057me starts vomiting in despair23:25
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: just look at package-promote.php and you'll (hopefully) get what I mean23:25
DocScrutinizer05it "worked" til last xmas, then it got messed up. Now you tell me we can't unmess it??23:25
DocScrutinizer05NO I WONT LOOK AT SCRIPTS!!!23:26
DocScrutinizer05[2013-09-05 21:54:12] <DocScrutinizer05> I give a **** on the scripts, a flock of flakes rushed over them23:26
DocScrutinizer05show me the scripts of last autumn and i'll happily study them23:27
freemangordonthose distributions are hardcoded all over the place. I don;t say it is impossible, just IMO we have higher priority tasks. Like restoring the full midgard functionality, just look here
DocScrutinizer05and even then, I'll just point you to the bugs in them23:27
freemangordonupdated 2012-11-27 15:15 UTC23:27
DocScrutinizer05ooh right, we have higher prio tasks than a working repo23:28
freemangordonthe repo works just fine now23:28
DocScrutinizer05sure!!!! with fremantle-1.2 == fremantle-1.323:28
DocScrutinizer05I *BET* that works out like a charm23:28
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16795 Nov 11  2010 /usr/local/bin/packages/package-promote.php.fmg.0108201323:30
freemangordonis version from 2010 old enough for you to study it?23:30
DocScrutinizer05honestly, I don't see why I should23:31
freemangordonto get an idea of how all this shit relates to each other23:31
dos1I want Neo900 case like that: :D23:31
freemangordonor better said - not idea, but deep understanding23:32
freemangordonand why both me and merlin1991 think fremantle-1.3 should be a copy of fremantle-1.223:33
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DocScrutinizer05I don't need any deep understanding to see we got one up-to-date and one fubared repo, and we don't need nor want the fubared one, so this leaves us with exactly one repo flavour: fremantle-1.323:34
DocScrutinizer05and we're going to delete all other cruft. period23:34
DocScrutinizer05I'm done with this now23:34
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: we are at this state now23:35
merlin1991only a bit of duplication in terms of files23:35
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freemangordonmerlin1991: are you sure fremantle-1.2 == fremantle?23:35
DocScrutinizer05fine. When I find on repo VM that it doesn't look like that, then *I* will do it23:35
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: no you will not23:36
merlin1991you have a repo admin who tells you it is like that ...23:36
DocScrutinizer05then get that shit sorted23:36
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DocScrutinizer05oh, and please remove all the drematletst symlinks23:39
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I'll wait for xes to appear and remove them, I still have NFC what you both did23:40
DocScrutinizer05I did ZILCH23:40
DocScrutinizer05except losing my mind trying to get some sense into this mess23:40
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