DocScrutinizer05 | we could actually do this by conparing fremantle-1.2-obsolete (the ex fremantle-1.3) to fremantle or fremantle-1.3 after we fixed stuff | 00:00 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | would probably be easier since we can do it on server | 00:01 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | with up-to-date data, even exploiting find or rsync | 00:01 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | I think an updating rsync from (ex)fremantle-1.3 to fremantle shall do a fine job to make sure we nuke no new packages? | 00:07 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | I have no clue though how this will impact on package interface aka midgard(-db), but since all packages are still available under unchanged pathnames, either fremantle/*/*/packagename or fremantle-13/*/*/packagename, since after the fix fremantle-1.3 is a symlink to fremantle, I don't expext any side effects | 00:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, step one: test with a fremantletest repo which is a symlink to fremantle | 00:10 |
DocScrutinizer05 | xes: could you please do that? at least create the needed symlinks so fremantletest is available on repository.m.o, similar to our real repos | 00:11 |
xes | DocScrutinizer05: fremantletest is ready | 00:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | wow, that was fast ;-D | 00:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: how about a new repo on your device? | 00:12 |
kerio | i have no wifi :c | 00:12 |
kerio | what do i have to test? | 00:12 |
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kerio | missing packages? | 00:14 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | see if you can update and install cleanly from extras fremantletest free nonfree | 00:18 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | simply change extras data from fremantle-1.3 to fremantletest | 00:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | then same step disable -testing and -devel, and see if HAM behaves and if you can install resp upgrade a package | 00:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | from extras (via fremantletest) | 00:20 |
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ashley | anyone here got the N950 manual as a .pdf or a working link to one? the two links (FCC.gov one and another one found via a Google search) I've found so far are both defunct :-/ | 00:33 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | umm | 01:06 |
Macer | hello | 01:10 |
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LjL-Alps | err, is there a reasonably handy way of making the rtlsdr tarballs work, or would i have to chase and symlink each lib/ directory to /usr/lib? | 01:29 |
Sc0rpius | very interesting post about the little Lion cell battery | 01:33 |
Sc0rpius | but as long as I remember my N900 has always lost the clock settings even brand new | 01:33 |
xes | LjL-Alps: which is the problem? | 01:34 |
LjL-Alps | xes, i just don't know how to go about this. i've only had an N900 for a few weeks. i extracted everything to /opt (like, /opt/rtlsdr, /opt/gnuradio, etc), now things complain about missing libraries (obviously, i guess), so is the idea that i should "ln -s /opt/rtlsdr/lib /usr/lib/rtlsdr", etc etc for every directory? | 01:36 |
xes | gqrx probably needs to link gnuradio libs into a standard path. All the bin into /opt/rtlsdr/bin/* don't need any link | 01:38 |
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LjL-Alps | ah | 01:38 |
jon_y | or fix ld.so.conf or something | 01:39 |
xes | if you want to avoid to specify the full path when running: /opt/rtl-sdr/bin/rtl_fm -f 96600000 -W -s 200000 -r 48000 - | aplay -r 48k -f S16_LE -t raw -c 1 | 01:39 |
LjL-Alps | xes: uhm, /opt/rtlsdr/bin/rtl_fm does however say it can't load librtlsdr.so.0 | 01:39 |
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xes | LjL-Alps: you are right, you need also those links | 01:41 |
jon_y | xes: why not just fix ld.so.conf? | 01:42 |
jon_y | add the search path to it | 01:43 |
LjL-Alps | yeah, i'm going to try ld.so.conf first. but i imagined since my ld.so.conf is virtually empty (just two entries), the "proper" way to do it was another | 01:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: what do you think does 'brand new' mean, production time wise | 01:43 |
xes | jon_y: sure | 01:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: also, some of those critters break even faster than others. It's just that after 12months it seems 99% are dead | 01:44 |
Sc0rpius | good question, I wonder if I can find the production date | 01:44 |
LjL-Alps | ok now rtl_fm gives me a "no supported device found", which sounds good (i don't have the dongle connected). now... here goes nothing! | 01:44 |
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* nox- wonders if the poor arm cpu is even fast enough for sdr | 01:53 | |
LjL-Alps | hmm, i guess this USB hub isn't really doing a proper job of pretending to be an OTG cable... | 01:56 |
LjL-Alps | since "lsusb" hangs up when in host mode | 01:56 |
xes | swith host mode off/on and try high/full speed | 01:56 |
xes | ..with h-e-n | 01:57 |
LjL-Alps | nope, doesn't seem to work. on "full", lsusb comes up empty, on "high", lsusb freezes until i disable hostmode | 02:03 |
LjL-Alps | but, really, a USB hub is not made for this | 02:03 |
LjL-Alps | i should get a proper OTG cable | 02:03 |
xes | LjL-Alps: this sometimes happens also with a proper OTG cable. Try connecting the key, with h-e-n, swithc on full host mode, boost, enumarate, then try the lsusb | 02:05 |
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LjL-Alps | no luck, lsusb keeps only giving the root if on "full" mode, and locks up if on "high" | 02:17 |
xes | LjL-Alps: are you using h-e-n? | 02:20 |
LjL-Alps | yes xes, i did it as you said, full, boost on, enumerate, lsusb | 02:21 |
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xes | probaly your device wants too much current... in my test i saw that the device with the E4000 fails more often to be detected if compared to the one with r820t. I think that the current absorption is really near the limit for the host mode | 02:23 |
xes | you could also try to connect the device after the host mode switch on and boost | 02:25 |
LjL-Alps | i thought that too. i do have an E4000. although i tried using the "booston" script that was linked, and also connecting the USB hub to a charger (but i think the USB system may get confused by that) | 02:25 |
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LjL-Alps | xes: still nope, although if i do that, "full" makes lsusb freeze too (like "high"). also, i noticed now that "lsusb" only freezes if i do "enumerate"; if i don't do "enumerate", lsusb just returns empty ("Bus 001 Device 001: 1d6b:0002") | 02:28 |
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xes | while lsusb is hanged, stop boot and host mode, then swith both on again and enumerate a few times... I have just done this steps and lsusb has passed the "hang" reporting the deviced listed | 02:32 |
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xes | Bus 001 Device 013: ID 0bda:2838 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. | 02:32 |
xes | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 | 02:32 |
xes | ...i'm just repeating the tests with the E4000 | 02:33 |
xes | i mean, the previous steps has been verified with the E4000 | 02:34 |
LjL-Alps | i think it's the hub. it's a piece of junk, i think i remember it not working well with flash drives either (stuff got corrupted). | 02:35 |
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* LjL-Alps wonders... could i possibly use my computer instead of the hub? *tries* | 02:36 | |
xes | i can't say that these steps are always easy, but, after 2/3 times the device appears | 02:36 |
xes | LjL-Alps: ahem... | 02:37 |
LjL-Alps | guess not | 02:37 |
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nox- | https://mikepohjola.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/dear-mr-nokia/ | 03:28 |
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jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: nokia appears to still have quite a lot - networking, almost all car navigation systems, and umpteen patents -- might be a share to buy now ;) | 06:31 |
jpinx | or have we missed that boat ? ;) | 06:41 |
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XATRIX | Hi i have trouble with calendar events. It seems like i have holidays and birthdays of my skype,icq, etc... contacts in, and they double itself | 10:12 |
XATRIX | For example i have DocScrutinizer05's birthday today | 10:12 |
XATRIX | my calendar shows it twice | 10:12 |
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Apic | Good Morning (UGT). | 11:07 |
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freemangordon | kerio: how's thymby python? | 12:14 |
freemangordon | thumby* | 12:14 |
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kerio | i haven't felt any changes, to be honest | 13:33 |
kerio | i should try modrana actually | 13:33 |
kerio | it's the most intensive python program i know of | 13:33 |
freemangordon | :nod: | 13:33 |
kerio | mh, it could be the benchmark actually | 13:34 |
freemangordon | does it show some values? fps or something? | 13:34 |
kerio | mh, i think it does, actually | 13:34 |
kerio | but i was talking about the general feel of it | 13:34 |
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LjL-Alps | Cloud GPS looks fancy | 14:06 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, I have birthday? HAHA | 14:17 |
kerio | happy birthday docky! | 14:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 14:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | happy hoax-day to XATRIX | 14:19 |
kerio | yeah, it's silly | 14:19 |
kerio | everyone knows you're eternal | 14:19 |
XATRIX | :) | 14:20 |
XATRIX | Are you really reading all the logs on the channel ? | 14:20 |
XATRIX | I asked my question a few hours ago :) | 14:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sure | 14:20 |
kerio | at the very least the nickpings | 14:20 |
LjL-Alps | uhm, i thought something was wrong with the connection between my N900 and my RTLSDR (or not enough power), but now i see that even if i don't connect anything to USB and just leave my cable dangling, when i set "full" or "high" host mode, "lsusb" hangs up for some time. is that normal? | 14:21 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | LjL-Alps: simplified answer: yes | 14:30 |
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LjL-Alps | ah | 14:33 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | LjL-Alps: please do wc -l /usr/sbin/booston | 14:37 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 15:39 |
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Apic | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-O18v_0Qn5_8/UB9HTMMS0oI/AAAAAAAABTc/-JXR0z8YbHw/w426-h364/one-question.png | 16:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Apic: please don't spam channel with URLs that neither contain any hint on the topic covered in the URL itself, nor any additional context coming with it in here | 16:36 |
Apic | Okay. | 16:36 |
Apic | Sorry. | 16:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | after all no sane user will click on any such URL | 16:37 |
DocScrutinizer05 | (of course *some* nerds click every URL they can find, just to find out where to it takes them. Those nerds usually have no problems whatsoever with malware on their PC, since they simply don't care ;-P) | 16:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | for the rest of us, we usually ponder *why* we would want to click on a URL | 16:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | "user Apic posted it to IRC" is frequently not any sufficient justification to visit any website | 16:41 |
Apic | ;-) | 16:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Apic: so, what's this URL about? | 16:42 |
Apic | An xkcd Comic Strip | 16:42 |
Apic | About 42 and an Alien. | 16:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, then you should link to the original xkcd page | 16:43 |
Apic | Yes, sorry. | 16:43 |
Apic | Premature Ejaculation. | 16:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | an xkcd URL is self-explanatory and needs no further context | 16:44 |
Apic | Yes. | 16:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~buntkuh | 16:44 |
infobot | [buntkuh] http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind | 16:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~xkcd | 16:45 |
infobot | it has been said that xkcd is http://xkcd.com/ or only the best webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math and language. | 16:45 |
Apic | ;-) | 16:45 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ld50.png :-P even matches context somehow | 16:50 |
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dos1 | Apic: that's from Cyanide & Happiness, not xkcd :P | 16:52 |
Apic | Oh, I see. | 16:52 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | hah! I pondered to set up an autoresponder to "may I ask a question?" -> "yes, one! cya" | 17:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough that been yesterday when I mused about this | 17:18 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | actually my conclusion for my own patterns been to always ask: "may I ask 2 questions?" | 17:19 |
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SAiF | can any body link to flash player 10 armel.deb? | 17:59 |
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SAiF | or is there anything newer that works.. | 17:59 |
sixwheeledbeast | SAiF: I don't know if it works but this was linked to recently http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1276589&postcount=2221 | 18:01 |
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sixwheeledbeast | oh and this is the file http://www.mediafire.com/download/6y8x0ob9g8p7khw/adobe-flashplayer-10.deb | 18:02 |
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kerio | :s | 18:02 |
kerio | isn't there a more legit link? | 18:03 |
kerio | and yeah, it works | 18:03 |
kerio | it's legit | 18:03 |
SAiF | the mediafire one works,, the other one doesnt. | 18:03 |
SAiF | Thanks | 18:03 |
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sixwheeledbeast | I believe you follow the instruction on the first link with the file from mediafire | 18:04 |
SAiF | sure thanks | 18:04 |
LauRoman | will maemo automount fat16 formatted cards? | 18:05 |
SAiF | unable to fetch some archives... hexedit | 18:06 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/hexedit/ | 18:12 |
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LjL | DocScrutinizer05, sorry for not following up earlier but my connection started acting up and then i had to leave for return from holidays."wc -l /usr/sbin/booston" gives 110, it's the modified booston you posted on the rtlsdr thread | 20:26 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 21:01 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: you might want to augment your /etc/mce/mce.ini to include a LED pattern for vboost | 21:07 |
DocScrutinizer05 | then the indicator LED will show if your USB is providing 5V power or not | 21:08 |
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LjL | DocScrutinizer05: hm i think it's providing the power, because the hub i used has a led, and that led lights up, and so does the led in my rtlsdr dongle for that matter | 21:25 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | sure, just saying | 22:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | also just saying: hubs are not always helpful. for example the non-powered ones claim 500mA from host and only provide 100mA to each of 4 downstream ports | 22:03 |
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LjL | DocScrutinizer05: ah, mine is probably like that, has 4 ports. now i'm back home and i can go buy an OTG cable (although i don't think they're very common around stores, maybe best to ebay) | 22:10 |
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kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why the hell does ubuntu 13 feel the need to enable transparencies and other crap when running live from usb on a fucking netbook? | 22:20 |
kerio | also, why the hell did i run this instead of systemrescuecd? | 22:22 |
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kerio | DocScrutinizer05: they do enumerate, though | 22:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: who does what? | 22:25 |
kerio | hubs | 22:25 |
kerio | even non-powered ones | 22:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | friggin "broken" hubs? | 22:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but they don't "work" | 22:26 |
kerio | 100mA for hub, 100mA for mouse | 22:26 |
kerio | :3 | 22:26 |
kerio | ^- that's the face of the mouse | 22:26 |
kerio | because it has enough energy to work, hopefully | 22:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | particularly we had to patch out code in musb-hdrc that explicitly disallowed hubs for OTG | 22:26 |
kerio | why would they do that? :s | 22:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | to make it work at all with H-E-N | 22:27 |
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kerio | hell, a powered hub would be amazing with OTG | 22:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: because OTG is NOT a host | 22:27 |
kerio | ...is OTG *this* big of a joke? | 22:27 |
kerio | no hub support? | 22:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | true OTG is not even meant to work as a host | 22:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | OTG is strictly designed to work between two OTG devices | 22:28 |
kerio | isn't it supposed to work between my fancy phone and a usb drive? | 22:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and both devices have a whitelist of peers they allow to work with | 22:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hubs however are on a explicit blacklist | 22:29 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | which we patched out in hostmode kernel, as well as the whitelist check | 22:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | still doesn't mean H-E-N works just fine with all sorts of hubs | 22:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | heck, not even normal USB hosts work fine with all sorts of hubs | 22:30 |
kerio | well, we can be sure that once a hub enumerates and works, it'll do what a hub is supposed to do, right? | 22:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | err, prolly yes | 22:30 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | and powered hubs are supposed to enum to host as "powered" and not require any much power from host, just as little as a few ampere | 22:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and *host* is supposed to take notice of the fact that hub is powered and thus has to allow enum of devices according to what the HUB can provide on downstream ports (usually 500mA / port) | 22:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless the ENUM happens between host and peripheral, not between HUB and peripheral | 22:33 |
kerio | can usb enumerate more than 500mA? | 22:33 |
kerio | *enumerate for more | 22:33 |
ecc3g | speaking of hubs, anyone seen a hub that doesn't seem to hook +5V straight to the downstream ports? Seems most cheap hubs are this way... | 22:37 |
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kerio | ecc3g: meh, why wouldn't they? | 22:39 |
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ecc3g | should have a fuse at least... | 22:41 |
kerio | yolo | 22:41 |
kerio | especially since you're not the poor sod who's going to *use* the hub | 22:41 |
ecc3g | thought most normal host ports can even shut down power if desired as well. | 22:41 |
ecc3g | is it in the spec for a host controller to selectively shut off power for hub ports downstream? | 22:43 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: (500) no | 22:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: most cheap hubs have just a common +5V rail for all downstream ports. Better hubs however may switch and even monitor current of each port | 22:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: it's in the spec, sort of. But optional | 22:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | on "normal PC" windows does, but linux doesn't | 22:51 |
ecc3g | ah okay. I have not seen any "better" hubs, they're all "cheap" so I was wondering :) | 22:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | for host ports | 22:52 |
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Luke-Jr | What does "SIM card rejected" mean? :p | 23:11 |
SpeedEvil | IMSI bar? | 23:18 |
SpeedEvil | Do you get ti when there is no signal - or is it after contacting the network | 23:18 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: depends on the context I guess | 23:47 |
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