IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2013-09-04

DocScrutinizer05we could actually do this by conparing fremantle-1.2-obsolete (the ex fremantle-1.3) to fremantle or fremantle-1.3 after we fixed stuff00:00
DocScrutinizer05would probably be easier since we can do it on server00:01
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DocScrutinizer05with up-to-date data, even exploiting find or rsync00:01
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DocScrutinizer05I think an updating rsync from (ex)fremantle-1.3 to fremantle shall do a fine job to make sure we nuke no new packages?00:07
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DocScrutinizer05I have no clue though how this will impact on package interface aka midgard(-db), but since all packages are still available under unchanged pathnames, either fremantle/*/*/packagename or fremantle-13/*/*/packagename, since after the fix fremantle-1.3 is a symlink to fremantle, I don't expext any side effects00:09
DocScrutinizer05anyway, step one: test with a fremantletest repo which is a symlink to fremantle00:10
DocScrutinizer05xes: could you please do that? at least create the needed symlinks so fremantletest is available on repository.m.o, similar to our real repos00:11
xesDocScrutinizer05: fremantletest is ready00:11
DocScrutinizer05wow, that was fast ;-D00:11
DocScrutinizer05kerio: how about a new repo on your device?00:12
kerioi have no wifi :c00:12
keriowhat do i have to test?00:12
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keriomissing packages?00:14
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DocScrutinizer05see if you can update and install cleanly from extras fremantletest free nonfree00:18
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DocScrutinizer05simply change extras data from fremantle-1.3 to fremantletest00:19
DocScrutinizer05then same step disable -testing and -devel, and see if HAM behaves and if you can install resp upgrade a package00:20
DocScrutinizer05from extras (via fremantletest)00:20
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ashleyanyone here got the N950 manual as a .pdf or a working link to one? the two links ( one and another one found via a Google search) I've found so far are both defunct :-/00:33
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LjL-Alpserr, is there a reasonably handy way of making the rtlsdr tarballs work, or would i have to chase and symlink each lib/ directory to /usr/lib?01:29
Sc0rpiusvery interesting post about the little Lion cell battery01:33
Sc0rpiusbut as long as I remember my N900 has always lost the clock settings even brand new01:33
xesLjL-Alps: which is the problem?01:34
LjL-Alpsxes, i just don't know how to go about this. i've only had an N900 for a few weeks. i extracted everything to /opt (like, /opt/rtlsdr, /opt/gnuradio, etc), now things complain about missing libraries (obviously, i guess), so is the idea that i should "ln -s /opt/rtlsdr/lib /usr/lib/rtlsdr", etc etc for every directory?01:36
xesgqrx probably needs to link gnuradio libs into a standard path. All the bin into /opt/rtlsdr/bin/* don't need any link01:38
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jon_yor fix or something01:39
xesif you want to avoid to specify the full path when running: /opt/rtl-sdr/bin/rtl_fm -f 96600000 -W -s 200000 -r 48000 - | aplay -r 48k -f S16_LE -t raw -c 101:39
LjL-Alpsxes: uhm, /opt/rtlsdr/bin/rtl_fm does however say it can't load
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xesLjL-Alps: you are right, you need also those links01:41
jon_yxes: why not just fix
jon_yadd the search path to it01:43
LjL-Alpsyeah, i'm going to try first. but i imagined since my is virtually empty (just two entries), the "proper" way to do it was another01:43
DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: what do you think does 'brand new' mean, production time wise01:43
xesjon_y: sure01:43
DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: also, some of those critters break even faster than others. It's just that after 12months it seems 99% are dead01:44
Sc0rpiusgood question, I wonder if I can find the production date01:44
LjL-Alpsok now rtl_fm gives me a "no supported device found", which sounds good (i don't have the dongle connected). now... here goes nothing!01:44
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* nox- wonders if the poor arm cpu is even fast enough for sdr01:53
LjL-Alpshmm, i guess this USB hub isn't really doing a proper job of pretending to be an OTG cable...01:56
LjL-Alpssince "lsusb" hangs up when in host mode01:56
xesswith host mode off/on and try high/full speed01:56
xes..with h-e-n01:57
LjL-Alpsnope, doesn't seem to work. on "full", lsusb comes up empty, on "high", lsusb freezes until i disable hostmode02:03
LjL-Alpsbut, really, a USB hub is not made for this02:03
LjL-Alpsi should get a proper OTG cable02:03
xesLjL-Alps: this sometimes happens also with a proper OTG cable. Try connecting the key, with h-e-n, swithc on full host mode, boost, enumarate, then try the lsusb02:05
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LjL-Alpsno luck, lsusb keeps only giving the root if on "full" mode, and locks up if on "high"02:17
xesLjL-Alps:  are you using h-e-n?02:20
LjL-Alpsyes xes, i did it as you said, full, boost on, enumerate, lsusb02:21
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xesprobaly your device wants too much current... in my test i saw that the device with the E4000 fails more often to be detected if compared to the one with r820t. I think that the current absorption is really near the limit for the host mode02:23
xesyou could also try to connect the device after the host mode switch on and boost02:25
LjL-Alpsi thought that too. i do have an E4000. although i tried using the "booston" script that was linked, and also connecting the USB hub to a charger (but i think the USB system may get confused by that)02:25
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LjL-Alpsxes: still nope, although if i do that, "full" makes lsusb freeze too (like "high"). also, i noticed now that "lsusb" only freezes if i do "enumerate"; if i don't do "enumerate", lsusb just returns empty ("Bus 001 Device 001: 1d6b:0002")02:28
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xeswhile lsusb is hanged, stop boot and host mode, then swith both on again and enumerate a few times... I have just done this steps and lsusb has passed the "hang" reporting the deviced listed02:32
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xesBus 001 Device 013: ID 0bda:2838 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.02:32
xesBus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:000202:32
xes...i'm just repeating the tests with the E400002:33
xesi mean, the previous steps has been verified with the E400002:34
LjL-Alpsi think it's the hub. it's a piece of junk, i think i remember it not working well with flash drives either (stuff got corrupted).02:35
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* LjL-Alps wonders... could i possibly use my computer instead of the hub? *tries*02:36
xesi can't say that these steps are always easy, but, after 2/3 times the device appears02:36
xesLjL-Alps: ahem...02:37
LjL-Alpsguess not02:37
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jpinxDocScrutinizer05: nokia appears to still have quite a lot - networking, almost all car navigation systems, and umpteen patents -- might be a share to buy now ;)06:31
jpinxor have we missed that boat ? ;)06:41
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XATRIXHi i have trouble with calendar events. It seems like i have holidays and birthdays of my skype,icq, etc... contacts in, and they double itself10:12
XATRIXFor example i have DocScrutinizer05's birthday today10:12
XATRIXmy calendar shows it twice10:12
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ApicGood Morning (UGT).11:07
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freemangordonkerio: how's thymby python?12:14
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kerioi haven't felt any changes, to be honest13:33
kerioi should try modrana actually13:33
kerioit's the most intensive python program i know of13:33
keriomh, it could be the benchmark actually13:34
freemangordondoes it show some values? fps or something?13:34
keriomh, i think it does, actually13:34
keriobut i was talking about the general feel of it13:34
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LjL-AlpsCloud GPS looks fancy14:06
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DocScrutinizer05oooh, I have birthday? HAHA14:17
keriohappy birthday docky!14:18
DocScrutinizer05happy hoax-day to XATRIX14:19
kerioyeah, it's silly14:19
kerioeveryone knows you're eternal14:19
XATRIXAre you really reading all the logs on the channel ?14:20
XATRIXI asked my question a few hours ago :)14:20
DocScrutinizer05yes, sure14:20
kerioat the very least the nickpings14:20
LjL-Alpsuhm, i thought something was wrong with the connection between my N900 and my RTLSDR (or not enough power), but now i see that even if i don't connect anything to USB and just leave my cable dangling, when i set "full" or "high" host mode, "lsusb" hangs up for some time. is that normal?14:21
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DocScrutinizer05LjL-Alps: simplified answer: yes14:30
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DocScrutinizer05LjL-Alps: please do wc -l /usr/sbin/booston14:37
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DocScrutinizer05Apic: please don't spam channel with URLs that neither contain any hint on the topic covered in the URL itself, nor any additional context coming with it in here16:36
DocScrutinizer05after all no sane user will click on any such URL16:37
DocScrutinizer05(of course *some* nerds click every URL they can find, just to find out where to it takes them. Those nerds usually have no problems whatsoever with malware on their PC, since they simply don't care ;-P)16:39
DocScrutinizer05for the rest of us, we usually ponder *why* we would want to click on a URL16:40
DocScrutinizer05"user Apic posted it to IRC" is frequently not any sufficient justification to visit any website16:41
DocScrutinizer05Apic: so, what's this URL about?16:42
ApicAn xkcd Comic Strip16:42
ApicAbout 42 and an Alien.16:43
DocScrutinizer05oooh, then you should link to the original xkcd page16:43
ApicYes, sorry.16:43
ApicPremature Ejaculation.16:43
DocScrutinizer05an xkcd URL is self-explanatory and needs no further context16:44
infobot[buntkuh] ... Redmond, or
infobotit has been said that xkcd is or only the best webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math and language.16:45
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DocScrutinizer05   :-P   even matches context somehow16:50
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dos1Apic: that's from Cyanide & Happiness, not xkcd :P16:52
ApicOh, I see.16:52
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DocScrutinizer05hah! I pondered to set up an autoresponder to "may I ask a question?"  -> "yes, one! cya"17:18
DocScrutinizer05funny enough that been yesterday when I mused about this17:18
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DocScrutinizer05actually my conclusion for my own patterns been to always ask: "may I ask 2 questions?"17:19
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SAiFcan any body link to flash player 10 armel.deb?17:59
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SAiFor is there anything newer that works..17:59
sixwheeledbeastSAiF: I don't know if it works but this was linked to recently
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sixwheeledbeastoh and this is the file
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kerioisn't there a more legit link?18:03
kerioand yeah, it works18:03
kerioit's legit18:03
SAiFthe mediafire one works,, the other one doesnt.18:03
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sixwheeledbeastI believe you follow the instruction on the first link with the file from mediafire18:04
SAiFsure thanks18:04
LauRomanwill maemo automount fat16 formatted cards?18:05
SAiFunable to fetch some archives... hexedit18:06
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LjLDocScrutinizer05, sorry for not following up earlier but my connection started acting up and then i had to leave for return from holidays."wc -l /usr/sbin/booston" gives 110, it's the modified booston you posted on the rtlsdr thread20:26
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DocScrutinizer05LjL: you might want to augment your /etc/mce/mce.ini to include a LED pattern for vboost21:07
DocScrutinizer05then the indicator LED will show if your USB is providing 5V power or not21:08
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LjLDocScrutinizer05: hm i think it's providing the power, because the hub i used has a led, and that led lights up, and so does the led in my rtlsdr dongle for that matter21:25
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DocScrutinizer05sure, just saying22:02
DocScrutinizer05also just saying: hubs are not always helpful. for example the non-powered ones claim 500mA from host and only provide 100mA to each of 4 downstream ports22:03
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LjLDocScrutinizer05: ah, mine is probably like that, has 4 ports. now i'm back home and i can go buy an OTG cable (although i don't think they're very common around stores, maybe best to ebay)22:10
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: why the hell does ubuntu 13 feel the need to enable transparencies and other crap when running live from usb on a fucking netbook?22:20
kerioalso, why the hell did i run this instead of systemrescuecd?22:22
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: they do enumerate, though22:24
DocScrutinizer05kerio: who does what?22:25
kerioeven non-powered ones22:25
DocScrutinizer05friggin "broken" hubs?22:26
DocScrutinizer05sure, but they don't "work"22:26
kerio100mA for hub, 100mA for mouse22:26
kerio^- that's the face of the mouse22:26
keriobecause it has enough energy to work, hopefully22:26
DocScrutinizer05particularly we had to patch out code in musb-hdrc that explicitly disallowed hubs for OTG22:26
keriowhy would they do that? :s22:27
DocScrutinizer05to make it work at all with H-E-N22:27
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keriohell, a powered hub would be amazing with OTG22:27
DocScrutinizer05kerio: because OTG is NOT a host22:27 OTG *this* big of a joke?22:27
keriono hub support?22:27
DocScrutinizer05true OTG is not even meant to work as a host22:27
DocScrutinizer05OTG is strictly designed to work between two OTG devices22:28
kerioisn't it supposed to work between my fancy phone and a usb drive?22:28
DocScrutinizer05and both devices have a whitelist of peers they allow to work with22:28
DocScrutinizer05hubs however are on a explicit blacklist22:29
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DocScrutinizer05which we patched out in hostmode kernel, as well as the whitelist check22:29
DocScrutinizer05still doesn't mean H-E-N works just fine with all sorts of hubs22:30
DocScrutinizer05heck, not even normal USB hosts work fine with all sorts of hubs22:30
keriowell, we can be sure that once a hub enumerates and works, it'll do what a hub is supposed to do, right?22:30
DocScrutinizer05err, prolly yes22:30
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DocScrutinizer05and powered hubs are supposed to enum to host as "powered" and not require any much power from host, just as little as a few ampere22:31
DocScrutinizer05and *host* is supposed to take notice of the fact that hub is powered and thus has to allow enum of devices according to what the HUB can provide on downstream ports (usually 500mA / port)22:32
DocScrutinizer05nevertheless the ENUM happens between host and peripheral, not between HUB and peripheral22:33
keriocan usb enumerate more than 500mA?22:33
kerio*enumerate for more22:33
ecc3gspeaking of hubs, anyone seen a hub that doesn't seem to hook +5V straight to the downstream ports?  Seems most cheap hubs are this way...22:37
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kerioecc3g: meh, why wouldn't they?22:39
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ecc3gshould have a fuse at least...22:41
kerioespecially since you're not the poor sod who's going to *use* the hub22:41
ecc3gthought most normal host ports can even shut down power if desired as well.22:41
ecc3gis it in the spec for a host controller to selectively shut off power for hub ports downstream?22:43
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: (500) no22:49
DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: most cheap hubs have just a common +5V rail for all downstream ports. Better hubs however may switch and even monitor current of each port22:50
DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: it's in the spec, sort of. But optional22:51
DocScrutinizer05on "normal PC" windows does, but linux doesn't22:51
ecc3gah okay.  I have not seen any "better" hubs, they're all "cheap" so I was wondering :)22:52
DocScrutinizer05for host ports22:52
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Luke-JrWhat does "SIM card rejected" mean? :p23:11
SpeedEvilIMSI bar?23:18
SpeedEvilDo you get ti when there is no signal - or is it after contacting the network23:18
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DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: depends on the context I guess23:47
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