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| Sicelo | hmm, don't know if 'm the only one with this.. but Nokia Maps seems to now pick the longest possible routes :( | 11:15 |
| Sicelo | it was perfect all along, finding shortest routes on the first go, even better than Google Maps | 11:15 |
| Sicelo | but now, now, to travel from Johannesburg, South Africa to Mbabane, Swaziland, Maps tells me to go through Botswana! wtf | 11:17 |
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| Sicelo | but now, now, to travel from Johannesburg, South Africa to Mbabane, Swaziland, Maps tells me to go through Botswana! wtf | 12:03 |
| Sicelo | aw.. sorry for repeat.. | 12:04 |
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| divVerent | the extras assistant... why does it not ask me for the source file? | 13:17 |
| divVerent | it asks me for debian.tar.gz and dsc, after uploading the .changes file | 13:17 |
| divVerent | but it does not ask for the orig.tar.gz | 13:17 |
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| freemangordon | divVerent: it decides on what to ask for based on your .dsc | 13:37 |
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| divVerent | freemangordon: the .dsc mentions the .orig.tar.gz | 13:38 |
| divVerent | dput did it right | 13:38 |
| freemangordon | divVerent: sorry, based on .changes, but lemme check once again, just to be sure | 13:39 |
| divVerent | .changes lists it too | 13:39 |
| divVerent | and yes, probably based on .changes, as that is uploaded first | 13:39 |
| freemangordon | divVerent: maybe .orig.tar.gz is already there? | 13:39 |
| divVerent | hm... I would wonder why | 13:39 |
| divVerent | given the package got released only days ago | 13:40 |
| divVerent | and Maemo didn't have it at all before | 13:40 |
| freemangordon | divVerent: which package is that? | 13:40 |
| divVerent | clex | 13:40 |
| freemangordon | or rather, may I look at .changes/.dsc? | 13:40 |
| divVerent | can you still see them on the build server? | 13:41 |
| divVerent | if not, I can upload separately | 13:41 |
| freemangordon | hmm, "Build succeeded" | 13:41 |
| divVerent | yes | 13:41 |
| divVerent | I used dput | 13:41 |
| divVerent | after the web interface looked like it would fail when I would do it | 13:41 |
| divVerent | due to not asking me for the orig file | 13:41 |
| freemangordon | strange | 13:43 |
| divVerent | another thing... is there a way to send Alt-F8 in the terminal? | 13:45 |
| divVerent | or ESC F8 | 13:45 |
| divVerent | esc esc 8 doesn't do | 13:46 |
| divVerent | ESC ESC [ 19 ~ seems to be the sequence | 13:47 |
| divVerent | hehe, typing that whole monster works ;) but is barely practicable | 13:47 |
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| divVerent | of course, not REALLY needed, I can change clex's config to not need that :P | 14:10 |
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| lexik | freemangordon: yes! after a few modifications, i have successfully packaged FANN library with dpkg-buildpackage, now, there are two files: the .deb package,a and .tar.gz one, to the extras-devel i must upload the .tar.gz? | 14:23 |
| Iridos | hm, are there any things I have to think of, ordering a new usb-charger for the N900? | 14:23 |
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| lexik | also there is an .dsc and .changes file, where to put them? | 14:25 |
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| vi___ | Yo. | 14:40 |
| vi___ | neo900 | 14:40 |
| vi___ | Very exciting! | 14:40 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer51: good afternoon. | 14:40 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer51: Is there an N900 BOM? | 14:40 |
| vi___ | Or indeed any note of the footprint of the white camera LEDs? | 14:44 |
| vi___ | Or possibly what the forward voltage of those LEDs are or perhaps the current supplied when thy flash? | 14:46 |
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| ccxCZ | http://www.staff.amu.edu.pl/~kalmar/blog/?p=247 << do we have this? | 15:21 |
| ccxCZ | or better yet some "hold modifier to right-click" configuration | 15:22 |
| ccxCZ | there's supposedly some "mouseemu" script that's supposed to be able to do that, but it's website is down | 15:24 |
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| vi___ | ccxCZ: Yes there is hold to right click. | 15:59 |
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| ccxCZ | is that on by default? can I change the delay? | 16:01 |
| vi___ | ccxCZ: read the second half of this wiki entry: | 16:01 |
| vi___ | 16:01 | |
| vi___ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 16:01 |
| vi___ | The above is keyboard modifier. | 16:01 |
| vi___ | I did not read your question close enough. | 16:02 |
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| ccxCZ | I'd be really grateful to have mod-click so I can play few mouse-driven games via dosbox. it has keyboard remapper by itself but can't do a thing about mouse apparently | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: check the cam driver, it has comments about current | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I am rather sure current been 300mA, max 0.5seconds. voltage prolly 5..6Vmaybe 8 | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | max continuous current 50mA iirc | 16:53 |
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| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: That sounds plausible. The 2 LEDs are in series. | 16:58 |
| vi___ | 300mA for 500mS. | 16:58 |
| vi___ | That is plenty meat. | 16:59 |
| vi___ | FYI they are a 2.15*1.65mm footprint. | 16:59 |
| vi___ | ccxCZ: The article I linked talks about mapping a keyboard modifier to middle and right click. | 17:00 |
| vi___ | AFAIK some users use that method to play dosbox games. | 17:00 |
| vi___ | The 8v Vf sounds plausible that is. | 17:01 |
| vi___ | by 8, I of course meant 6. | 17:02 |
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| freemangordon | vi___: hi, long time no see | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: maybe it been 200mA, and maybe 0.7s or 0.4s | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check cam driver source! | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or even the fine wiki | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch RTFM! | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>It can flash brightly for a maximum of 0.5 s, with an LED current of no more than 320 mA, or be in torch mode for arbitrary duration, at a current of no more than 50 mA<< | 17:21 |
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| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: Ty doc | 17:35 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: hello FMG. | 17:35 |
| vi___ | Yeah, I got a new job. | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw, but pretty please check wiki! :-D | 17:36 |
| vi___ | I am now mega busy. | 17:36 |
| vi___ | Not much time for messing with technology. | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: thanks for support on Neo900 | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 17:36 |
| vi___ | If it is as good as the idea seems, I am all in! | 17:36 |
| vi___ | I really think you should look into things like kickstarter etc. | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we could need every help we can get, for fremantle porting task force | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/need/use/ | 17:37 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: we could use every help we can get, for fremantle porting task force | 17:37 |
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| vi__ | oops, irssi had a fit! | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 17:39 |
| vi__ | I am using irssi on a windos box. | 17:40 |
| vi__ | I accidentally pressed ctrl+z | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, windows term. I'm not familiar with those ;-P | 17:40 |
| vi__ | The whole thing spazzed out. | 17:40 |
| vi__ | I assume ctrl+z is left over from th 'nix version. | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw 8V Vf is more likely than 6V | 17:41 |
| vi__ | 4V Vf for each LED? | 17:41 |
| vi__ | That seems quite high. | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup, usual for blue end white LED of high power | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/end/and/ | 17:41 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: yup, usual for blue and white LED of high power | 17:41 |
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| vi__ | oh. | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see nichia and osram 1W 3W 5W LEDs | 17:42 |
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| vi__ | LED like the cree XML have a Vf of ~3.1V at 1.5A | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and cree of course | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check again, iirc that's not true for blue and white | 17:43 |
| vi__ | I will. | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, they differ a lot between types | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously those are 1W LEDs in N900 | 17:44 |
| vi__ | Yes, just 4V is probably the highest I have seen. I could not find a part number for the N900 flash LEDs though. | 17:44 |
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| lexik | /disconnect/names | 17:55 |
| lexik | fuuu | 17:56 |
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| ShadowJK | I've seen 4.5V Vf on a crappy chinaled | 18:05 |
| ShadowJK | Cree has LEDs with Vf around 2.7V @ 350mA, iirc | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: there probably is no part number / name of those LED available | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: all I have is: | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Main PCB, Top User Interface Optical Semiconductor LED 2 Primary Camera Flash - High Intensity White 2 2.15 1.65 0.80 | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and this looks pretty much like a crippled original Nokia BOM that got leaked to those guys who did the RE | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.electronicproducts.com/Nokia_N900_Mobile_Phone-whatsinside_text-90.aspx | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HTH | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's best I could find | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: "Typical forward voltage @ 1.4 A (V), 85°C: 37.0" ;-P | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.cree.com/LED-Components-and-Modules/Products/XLamp/Arrays-NonDirectional/XLamp-CXA3050 | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED Components and Modules/HB/Data Sheets/CLM1CWKW(879) "TYPICAL ELECTRICAL & OPTICAL CHARACTERISTICS (TA = 25°C)" "Vf typ: 3.2V max:4.0V" | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED Components and Modules/HB/Data Sheets/CLA1A(1075) typ:3.6V max:4.2V | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all no high power LEDs which tend to have even higher Vf usually, afaik | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generally 1W LEDs seem to average at 2.3V for red and orange, 3.5V for green blue and white | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.media.highlight-led.de/products/documents/pdf/77900010.pdf | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | very interesting: http://www.uskoreahotlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/1-Watt.pdf with a binning/rank of 4=3.3V Vf to 10=4.0V Vf | 19:21 |
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| Apic | goldkatze: *caress* | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also interesting (I didn't know of it yet): >> In particular, if a reverse voltage is continuously applied to the product, such operation can cause migration resulting in LED damage << | 19:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 winks to all OC-fanboys who seem to think EM is a hoax | 19:31 | |
| ShadowJK | lookup Cree XP-G and XR-E too | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cree.com seems to no longer provide info for those | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED Components and Modules/XLamp/Data and Binning/XLampXPG.pdf | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Vf 3.25V | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | typ | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway in the end who cares about Vf? It's mandatory to operate those LEDs by a constant current source | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | XR-E Vf (white >5000° (!!)) 3.7V | 19:54 |
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| bennypr0fane | hello, I'd like to install kernel power 52, but the version I find in HAM is 51r1, (have extras-devel enabled) | 21:11 |
| bennypr0fane | does anyone know where I would find 52? | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | allegedly KP52 got promoted to extras-devel, for all I know | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 21:21 |
| infobot | pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/ | 21:21 |
| Wulfe | it did | 21:22 |
| Wulfe | there is a forums posting on it at least saying so | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/kernel-power-flasher/2.6.28-10power52/ | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/kernel-power/2.6.28-10power52/ | 21:23 |
| Wulfe | http://www.tizenexperts.com/2013/04/announce-kernel-power-stable-v52-extras-devel/ | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tizenWUT? | 21:23 |
| Wulfe | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 | 21:24 |
| Wulfe | idk some blogger | 21:24 |
| Wulfe | but he sourced it right off maemo.org so i know he is accurate | 21:25 |
| bennypr0fane | then why do I see only 51r1 in HAM? | 21:28 |
| bennypr0fane | is there another way to install it? | 21:28 |
| Wulfe | apt-get "kernel-power-flasher" | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I don't know. Seems something is flawed. Please ask Pali and freemangordon and merlin1991 to investigate what's wrong, and them fix it ASAP | 21:29 |
| freemangordon | bennypr0fane: check your distribution. Also make sure you did refresh | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're supposed to see KP52 in HAM, definitely | 21:30 |
| merlin1991 | it's definitely in extras | 21:31 |
| Wulfe | yeah i am looking at it in the repo now, it is there. something wrong on his end. | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache policy | 21:32 |
| bennypr0fane | freemangordon I'm on thumb 8.2 | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, and could somebody fix apt-cache to show full repo URL pretty please!? KTNX | 21:33 |
| freemangordon | shouldn't matter | 21:33 |
| freemangordon | bennypr0fane: as long as you haev maemo-extras repo enabled | 21:33 |
| freemangordon | *have | 21:33 |
| freemangordon | bennypr0fane: in HAM, click on the menu and selct "Refresh" | 21:34 |
| freemangordon | select even | 21:34 |
| bennypr0fane | ok, done | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | disable extras-devel | 21:34 |
| Wulfe | and make sure you are not using multiboot | 21:34 |
| freemangordon | that fast? | 21:34 |
| Wulfe | use u-boot instead | 21:34 |
| bennypr0fane | i.e. "done" | 21:34 |
| Wulfe | it will break with multiboot | 21:35 |
| bennypr0fane | as done is after hitting a button in HAM... | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything breaks with multiboot ;-P | 21:35 |
| Wulfe | indeed | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | bennypr0fane: HAM refreshed the catalogues in 10 seconds?!? | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | ooh | 21:35 |
| bennypr0fane | no multiboot | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot | 21:35 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 21:35 |
| Wulfe | good | 21:35 |
| bennypr0fane | just reflashed, acutally after corrupted fs | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | disbale extras-devel (and extras-testing) | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: wait ;) | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/k/kernel-power/ | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KP52 is in extras aiui | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, scratch that | 21:37 |
| * freemangordon hates that shit | 21:37 | |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: though I wonder... | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | me not: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/kernel-power/2.6.28-10power52/ | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | according to the logs on stage, this SHOULD be in 1.2 and 1.3 repos | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | but not here http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/k/kernel-power/ | 21:38 |
| bennypr0fane | Doc well I don't get it. it's in devel, right? | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | bennypr0fane: check your maemo-extras distribution | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FSCK DAMN fremantle-1.3!!!! | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | it should be fremantle, not fremantle-1.3 | 21:38 |
| bennypr0fane | maemo-extras? | 21:38 |
| bennypr0fane | aha | 21:38 |
| bennypr0fane | I have 1.3 | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I think it is about time to fix that shit | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there *is* *no* fremantle-1.3 | 21:39 |
| bennypr0fane | in all the extras repos, or just stable? | 21:39 |
| freemangordon | all of them | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle-1.3 is actually fremantle, plain vamilla fremantle without fancy extensions | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tab? | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for nick expansion? use shift-space | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jr-xchat | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrxchat | 21:40 |
| infobot | jrxchat is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ | 21:40 |
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| bennypr0fane | DocScrutinizer05, ha, awesome | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 21:41 |
| bennypr0fane | jrxchat is not xchat? | 21:41 |
| lexik | i'm trying to upload my package but: "Upload error, no repository selected!" ? | 21:43 |
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| freemangordon | lexik: select repository :P | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | fremantle, diablo,... | 21:43 |
| lexik | freemangordon: :P... i did that.. twice | 21:44 |
| lexik | twice times the same error | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | lexik: obviously she doesn;t like you :P | 21:44 |
| lexik | probably | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | lexik: what browser? | 21:45 |
| lexik | chromium | 21:47 |
| freemangordon | lexik: have mozilla aound? | 21:47 |
| lexik | iceweasel | 21:47 |
| bennypr0fane | it's kinda like my backspace key is broken | 21:47 |
| lexik | i will try it with it | 21:48 |
| lexik | thats really weird.. extras assistant is looking absolutely differently in firefox than in chromium :D | 21:51 |
| lexik | nicer :D | 21:51 |
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| freemangordon | lexik: besides looking nicer, does it work? | 21:54 |
| bennypr0fane | i can move the cursor in ham, but not deleting | 21:54 |
| lexik | ... nope. | 21:55 |
| lexik | the same error | 21:55 |
| lexik | is is caused by browser? | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | lexik: hmm, weird | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | NFC, never seen such an error | 21:55 |
| lexik | i can try chrome :/ | 21:56 |
| bennypr0fane | ah, it works for devel and testing, but not maemo.org. can't delete that 1.3 from fremantle | 21:56 |
| freemangordon | bennypr0fane: wait a bit | 21:57 |
| bennypr0fane | you mean before Itry to delete 1.3? I waited for more than 5 mins. moving the cursor worled in that time | 21:59 |
| bennypr0fane | *and also worked | 21:59 |
| freemangordon | bennypr0fane: wait for me to fix the repo :D | 21:59 |
| bennypr0fane | ok | 22:00 |
| bennypr0fane | but devel and testing are already good? | 22:01 |
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| Tekkmo | are there offline maps for america somewhere? i did a bit of searching and could only find europe and india | 22:08 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 starting public technical discussion / hearing, about the fremantle-1.3 issue | 22:30 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | assumption: fremantle-1.3 repo been invented for whatever reasons during times of PR1.2, to be "safe for future" as a symlink to fremantle repo, and during migration#1/consolidation some funny guy "mirrored" the repo and converted the symlink to a separate unlinked repository dir during the process | 22:32 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: actually the real repos are different, but got synced from one and the same source. IIUC | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my first suggestion been to simply nuke the complete fremantle-1.3 repo, since it's redundant and cruft and serves no particular purpose. But I've been told that flashing gets you fremantle-1.3 repo instead of fremantle repo | 22:35 |
| freemangordon | correct | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now while this is a brainfart done by somebody in nokia, if it's correct, we now have to deal with it | 22:36 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: again, IMO, simply symlinking 1.3 to fremantle on stage will solve that next time a package enters extras. And I will push autobuildertest in extras to make that happen | 22:37 |
| freemangordon | we'll still have lots of wasted HD space, but at least stuff will work | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | further implication: during (or after) consolidation some of the builder/repomanagement scripts obviously got messed up, so now we have dependencies to fremantle-1.3 even in those scripts | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where from does the wasted HD space come, wehn we effectively nuke freamntle-1.3 and replace it by a symlink? | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what I anticipate is a mega disaster by repo-management running over the same rapo two times | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | repo even | 22:40 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: we'll do that on stage, but not on live | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what is live? | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | "/var/repository/live", this is what you see when you open http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.2/free/ for example | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what is stage? | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually, who would want to open fremantle-1.2? | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could you come up with a better not so fringe case example please? | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | autobuilder puts the packages in incoming, queue manager puts the on stage "/var/repository/stage" and rsync_to_live.sh copies stage to live | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | *them | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | why? | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | NFCm but that is how it works | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we don't need to rsync from one dir to another dir on same physical and even logical machine, eh? | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | I guess this is a legacy from the times there were lots of "live" servers | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | and those were different machines | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so first of all we need to nuke that cruft | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | I guess we don;t need to rsync, but that would mean a major rewrite IMO | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it's actually nothing else but just an rsync | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | And I'd rather have it working as it is supposed to work before I "fix" it :) | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rewrite? I think we can simply retire the whole process step | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | maybe | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | or no, I am not sure what will happen while packages.gz etc are being rebuilt | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, actually irrelevant. Why do we keep fremantle-1.3 on live? | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: but see, the first to do is to fix that 1.3 crap | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle-1.3 has to go, for good | 22:49 |
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| freemangordon | because of the reflash. but ask gregoa or someone who knows repos better than me what will happen if you have the same packages.gz for different distributions | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then after we eradicated it, we will eventually create a convenience-symlink for those poor users who got fremantle-1.3 in their list of catalogs | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | I have NFC if distribution is included in .gz file | 22:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | see: [2013-09-02 21:32:52] <DocScrutinizer05> assumption: fremantle-1.3 repo been invented for whatever reasons during times of PR1.2, to be "safe for future" as a symlink to fremantle repo, and during migration#1/consolidation some funny guy "mirrored" the repo and converted the symlink to a separate unlinked repository dir during the process | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: there are 2 "repos", one is "stage" the other is "live" | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | ^^^ happened on "stage" iiuc | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | verify that assumption, then act accordingly. When it got introduced during consolidation, we can as well nuke it now | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | the only way to verify it is to mv fremantle-1.3 from stage and to symlink fremantle-1.3->fremantle. But won;t do it now, I run out of time | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or, in other words: if it been a symlink before consolidation then there can't be any problems in making it a symlink again, now | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: sure | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | actually there are problems now it is not a symlink :) | 22:53 |
| dos1 | I dunno how it works here, but in SHR we're rsyncing from staging dir to "production" exactly for that reason with rebuilding package lists | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | dos1: :nod: | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | my point exactly | 22:54 |
| dos1 | and if something breaks during builds, repo is left intact and safe | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fair point | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but a rsync would keep symlinks as symlinks, no? | 22:55 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: so please, discuss with someone who knows how repos work, to explain if it is possible to have different distributions using one and the same packages.gz file | 22:55 |
| dos1 | it would, but AFAIR only if you use it with proper options | 22:55 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I guess no, maybe it depends on how is rsync called. and maybe it was hardlink, not symlink | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm afk now for some RL urgent stuff. I think somebody else has to pick up on where I leave here and now | 22:56 |
| freemangordon | guys, gtg, night, will continue tomorrow | 22:56 |
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| freemangordon | :) | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't take care of every single BS char in any single script | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are guys much more experiencend than I am, with repositories | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see the benefit and I don't see any free schedule in my calendar, to manage fremantle-1.3 sanitizing | 22:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ther are ~45 guys around here who are better qualified to sort this issue | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it doesn't get sorted soon, I eventually will simply nuke fremantle-1.3 and wait for the impact | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile you could start with checking what in Packages.gz and signature of a repo might be hardlinked to the repo's name (fremantle vs fremantle-1.3) | 23:02 |
| xes | hi DocScrutinizer05... does my repo comparison sorted something? | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't use it for anything yet, but I hope others will do, soon. | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to post the link to those files here | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so everybody willing to help can access them | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please keep this running without me pushing and coordinating it | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I cannot do this | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it would require too much learning about repository management that i'm not an expert, and I have no time to do this, my plate is already filled. | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, it's up to the community now to investigate and fix this issue, before in maybe 2 weeks we are forced to simply nuke fremantle-1.3 and nothing been done to mitigate the fallout | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you can dig up any historical info why and when fremantle-1.3 got invented, by whom, and based on which rationale, etc. - please by all means speak up here | 23:10 |
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| xes | freemangordon: have you seen my repo comparison? | 23:26 |
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| freemangordon | xes: no. don't have time now, GF needs my attention :) | 23:30 |
| Apic | goldkatze: wb | 23:30 |
| xes | freemangkrdon: NMI ...not masquerable interrupt :) | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Apic: YOLD 3149? ddate? | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> ddate | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Today is Setting Orange, the 26th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3179 | 23:40 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: just googled neo900. We've already got few mentions in Slashdot comments under Elop-as-possible-MS-CEO article and some comments/posts in russian, czech and french forums; facebook post from italian fanpage of N900 owners, few tweets etc. | 23:47 |
| dos1 | "for this price I can get shiny quad-core phone" theme appeares quite often, but it was easy to predict; there are also some enthusiastic voices (at least that they seem to be enthisiastic via google translate :D) | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 23:49 |
| dos1 | there are some fears coming from ex-Freerunner owners who weren't happy with it | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at this price you can even get a hooker for 4 weeks to 2 years, in some countries | 23:50 |
| dos1 | or s/owners/users/ | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or find somebody to shoot you down | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think Neo900 better compared to a hooker than to a quad-core phone | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since it neither is a phone, nor has it quad or dual cores | 23:52 |
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| dos1 | let's build better neo900... with hookers! and blackjack! | 23:53 |
| LjL-Alps | on the other hand, it has a keyboard that can slide in and out, it's only so slightly resistive to touch, and its back is magnetic | 23:53 |
| LjL-Alps | sounds like hookers to me | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so for 700EUR you also get: a very nice x86 PC; a full week of booze from morning till whatever time you fail to open your eyes; a gun; a 20kg bag full of really exciting surplus electronics; a case for your iPhone;... meh, gets boring | 23:54 |
| Wizzup | and mips? | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote, today we first time see >10% of voters for >=700 | 23:57 |
| Wizzup | I like paprika mips | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we got a rate of ~10% / week for 700-sweetspot | 23:57 |
| dos1 | looks pretty optimistic too me | 23:59 |
| dos1 | gathering 200 orders for 700+ will still take some time, but it seems to be doable from those results | 23:59 |
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