IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2013-09-01

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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: don't see anything unusual00:14
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XATRIXi mean, i can't find anything related to CSSU Package00:20
DocScrutinizer05when you get the message "please use Nokia PC suite" then you must have a tab labeled "problems" or sth like that00:20
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DocScrutinizer05and you got a menu entry in HAM that's called "logs" or similar00:21
DocScrutinizer05you even can save logs to a file, to pastebin them00:21
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XATRIXsure, i can00:23
XATRIXbut there's nothing in about CSSU update00:23
XATRIXno mention00:23
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dos1if there's some problem with some library needing specific version of some other library which cannot be installed due to conflict with another library, why would there be CSSU mentioned?00:24
XATRIXalright, give me a sec00:25
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XATRIXthat's the last one lines00:25
XATRIXfrom the end of the list00:25
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lexikTMO under spam attack?!01:25
entitled!!! RED ALERT !!!01:25
RiD holy crap :P01:25
lexikand more..
lexikand more and more and more...01:26
RiDit's just 2 users01:26
lexik2 spammers vs. ? admins01:26
RiDwell, bots01:26
RiDjust enjoy their football01:27
RiD3 users01:27
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DocScrutinizer51what's tmo attack status?02:42
infobot:), DocScrutinizer5102:42
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RiDDocScrutinizer05 these little bastards keep making accounts02:49
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lexikwtf? what is it now? apkenv?
lexikcaptcha is not enough? or what is the problem?03:09
ecc3gcaptcha is never enough03:10
lexikthis bot seems stupid.. it is posting football sh*t stuff on maemo-linux related forum...03:12
ecc3gseems like the fallacy of captcha is that one thinks it can remain static... no, it needs to be dynamic...03:13
ecc3gnah, dont think the bot really cares... It may not even be a bot, possibly - they do have people breaking captchas for profit03:13
lexikbot really dont cares :D03:15
ecc3git may even be a person too, for all we know03:16
ecc3gand that person still doesn't care03:16
lexikperson who hates TMO :P03:16
ecc3gnot necessarily, person who hates to pay money to advertise more likely?03:17
lexik.. the blog it is pointing on, is about nothing - as the spam on forum03:18
ecc3gthere are people out there that would do anything to advertise... I had a website that prints out browser agents on a webpage.  I have subsequently stopped doing it - even after "santizing" it - because bots started getting smart and putting links in it for google to index03:20
lexikand especially this post is really weird: ; it looks like it is trying to grab email adresses03:20
ecc3g(actually I stopped publishing that website because my uplink bandwidth started increasing because the number of unique agents kept on increasing)03:22
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ecc3gI also had a forum running.  Bots cracked the default captcha.  I changed the captcha slightly - and was unharmed by bots for almost a year... then they came back03:23
ecc3git's frustrating.03:23
ecc3ghmm... I just thought of a new captcha to do...too bad the forum has no use really...03:24
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RiDmake it a puzzle03:25
ecc3gall it needs to be is unique03:25
ecc3gthe more popular the website, the more often it needs to be changed.03:25
ecc3gif you have a less popular site, you can get away with changing the captcha less frequently...03:26
ecc3gjust too bad that most people dont program, they just grab the software, be it vbulletin or phpbb or simplemachines, and implement it...03:27
RiDsimplemachines, ugh03:27
ecc3gI'm not even sure which ones are OSS except for phpbb.03:28
ecc3gphpbb is nice because of that...03:28
RiDi like phpbb03:28
lexikive tried to install newer cmake in scratchbox, and i have stucked on:03:29
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lexikE: The package emacsen-common needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.03:29
ecc3gkind of funny, centurylink (a US telco) had a phpbb3 forum for customers.  they shut it down because they couldn't stop the spam03:29
lexikwhen i was trying to install dependencies03:29
lexiki cant do anything apt-get03:30
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DocScrutinizer51still new spam accounts?03:43
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lexiknow everything looks ok.. now..03:43
RiDi like to think of them as angry iphone users :D03:44
lexikElop gets angry when he saw our Neo900 project03:44
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lexikDocScrutinizer51: :-/03:50
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RiDlexik elop trying to flop03:51
DocScrutinizer51another spam?03:51
RiDaffirmative, capn'03:52
DocScrutinizer51when account created?03:52
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DocScrutinizer51but 1 or 20h ago?03:53
RiD" Today 08:46 PM"03:54
RiDi guess Lisbon time03:54
DocScrutinizer51afaik account creaion on tmo should be blocked03:54
lexikit is his first post..03:54
RiDtemporary or permanently? lol03:55
lexikTMO is full, go away :D03:55
DocScrutinizer51I cant do much except take down tmo completely03:55
DocScrutinizer51chemist doesnt like me around as admin on tmo03:56
RiDgo ahead03:57
RiDtake down tmo03:57
RiDask infobot03:57
RiDwhat does she think about this situation03:58
DocScrutinizer51I gomm03:58
DocScrutinizer51gonna ban you03:58
RiDhey hey, why03:58
DocScrutinizer51for ruining my sexual life03:58
lexikinfobot is "she" ? interesting03:59
DocScrutinizer51I honestly got netter things to do at saturday night03:59
RiDi see... was it supposed to be a strictly professional relationship04:00
lexikinfobot ^^.. hi, today you are looking awesome! as always!04:00
infobotlexik: what are you talking about?04:00
RiDbut it ended up being...more04:00
DocScrutinizer51afk, dont dare to highlight me04:01
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lexikit looks like emacsen-common in extras-devel is broken.. i will test it on real device..04:04
lexikcmake depends on cmake-data which depends on emacsen-common... i hate that :D04:08
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DocScrutinizer05(<RiD> make it a puzzle) actualy a nice idea04:16
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RiDuse the maemo logo :p04:16
RiDi've seen a few forums use puzzles04:17
lexikYEAAAH! cmake --version04:17
lexikcmake version 2.8.904:17
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lexikok, now the FANNy part04:18
DocScrutinizer05what now? take tmo down or not?04:20
DocScrutinizer05to me it seems tmo admins do a pretty good job04:21
lexik...but.. will it help?04:21
RiDdid you seriously consider taking it down? lol04:21
DocScrutinizer05links to threads on tmo you posted here 45min ago are not valid anymore04:22
DocScrutinizer05RiD: taking down tmo costs me 8seconds04:22
RiDand turning it back again?04:22
lexikbut there are new one's.. such as:
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lexikwhen do you plan you will turn it up?04:23
RiDmental, gabdul304:23
lexikafter 1h? after 1 day? until you will fix captcha?04:23
DocScrutinizer05here you are, tmo paused04:24
Wulfehey, i was reading that04:25
DocScrutinizer05new, do you wanna continue joking, or are we going to discuss threat defense?04:26
DocScrutinizer05you already ruined my date for today04:26
Wulfedont put us in the middle of your war. i was trying to find some answers......04:27
DocScrutinizer05Wulfe: you seem a sane person. Should I unpause tmo?04:27
lexik"your war"? its our war04:27
Wulfeplease do =p04:27
DocScrutinizer05Wulfe: or is there severe thread that needs taking down of tmo?04:28
DocScrutinizer05threat even04:28
Wulfei would like to continue my hunt for some resolution to youtube-dl-x04:28
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RiDthere's no explicit stuff that i know. just football/golf04:28
Wulfei have seen nothing on tmo that warrents removal04:28
lexikWulfe: ?!04:29
Wulfeeverythign looks to me to be in the correct threads.04:29
lexikSpam about football in "general"?04:29
lexikfor example?04:29
Wulfeoh i didnt see that04:29
DocScrutinizer05well, I think I will unpause it. obviously there are tmo moderators active handling the issue. as long as they don't ping me complaining about something, why should I be worried?04:29
Wulfebut tbh i chill in the diablo 4 and n810 threads04:29
RiDWulfe old school!04:30
DocScrutinizer05tmo running04:30
Wulfeindeed i am ;)04:31
Wulfei love my 810 wimax <304:31
Wulfealthough i wish it would run debian lxde better04:31
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lexikand by today i love scratchbox!04:31
DocScrutinizer05it seems "old school" is a compliment in old school circles, and an insult in hipster/youngster ones04:31
lexikFANN library seems to be installed04:32
Wulfewell i am 36 so i am fine with it however they meant it04:32
RiDno offense intended :p04:32
DocScrutinizer05Wulfe: yeah, you're in between. I'm clearly way beyoind your little world04:33
DocScrutinizer05my beard turns gray04:33
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: PING04:35
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: PING04:35
DocScrutinizer05pretty please could anybody check if it's still even *possible* to create new accounts on tmo?04:36
DocScrutinizer05if you got no other pr0n to watch, look at
DocScrutinizer05wtf?! a gap in scatchbox VM?04:40
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DocScrutinizer05please don't thing sysops do same things like normal users.04:42
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DocScrutinizer05I'm depending on reports from you04:43
DocScrutinizer05so.. please tell me... do we see new spam still?04:43
Win7Maclast one 5mins ago04:44
Win7Maccan't you see that?04:44
DocScrutinizer05I don't even try to see that, my setup doesn't allow me to "see that"04:44
Win7Macah, no04:45
lexik7 minutes old one04:45
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DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: PINGPINGPINGPING!!!04:46
DocScrutinizer05huh? gmt+804:46
Win7Machaving his coffee...04:47
DocScrutinizer05ok, since I have no means to find out if some moderator or admin is fighting shit over there, and span obviously doesn't stop, I have no alternatives. I pause tmo04:48
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: ok, since I have no means to find out if some moderator or admin is fighting shit over there, and spam obviously doesn't stop, I have no alternatives. I pause tmo04:48
DocScrutinizer05tmo paused04:48
Wulfei am good, i have found my answers04:48
Wulfepause away04:49
Wulfeso tmo doesnt have a spam filter i take it?04:49
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DocScrutinizer05I dunno. chemist doesn't want me around on tmo as admin, so all I can do is handling the machine as a blackbox. Blackbox stopped04:52
Wulfeseems as good of a solution as any.04:53
DocScrutinizer05@tmo admins: ping me when you're ready to take care04:53
Wulfeatleast it will get the attention of an admin eventualy04:53
Win7MacDoc, an interesting mail came in to board, just forwarded to you. Might come in handy...04:54
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: subject?04:54
DocScrutinizer05my life == maemo04:55
Win7Maci don't know what to answer04:55
DocScrutinizer05maemo written on my toothpaste04:55
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mashinaDocScrutinizer05: so nokia strangled you in the crib?04:56
Win7Macby any chance, saw my mail? what do you think about 501(c)3 status?04:56
mashinaand your younger brother aborted late term?04:56
DocScrutinizer05no new mail in my inbox04:56
* mashina is bitter04:56
DocScrutinizer05mashina: get yourself a good longdring! at least that's what I'm going to do right away04:57
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DocScrutinizer05oooh new mail04:57
Win7MacSent 31.08.2013 17:49, Topic: "Re: Fwd: Re: Sorting documents..."04:57
mashinais that a german word?04:57
mashinagermans took over irc over night and i have no idea what these words mean04:58
Win7Macspeak straight plz04:59
DocScrutinizer05Hello Hildon Foundation ,My name is Nathanial, and I am 14 years old. My website i I saw that Maemo was discontinued in favor of othe rmobile Linux distributions, but I think it was a mistake.04:59
mashinahe's some drunk as fuck, as we say in the maritimes05:00
mashinaboth doc and nathan there05:00
mashinaand it was a mistake05:00
mashinataylor swift could write sad songs about the murder of maemo05:00
mashinai may get a windows phone one day05:01
DocScrutinizer05good night05:01
mashinabut it won't be a nokia, grumblegrumble05:01
mashinaguten nacht05:01
mashinaim tired too05:01
Win7Maci wouldn't refuse any help05:01
* DocScrutinizer05 goes shooting own head with a marshmallow05:01
Win7Macif he's got hours to spend...05:01
DocScrutinizer05dude, *I* got *NO* hours to spend05:02
DocScrutinizer05to educate youngsters#05:02
Win7Macgee, what you expect me to do? thought i linked to the right one...05:03
DocScrutinizer05or 50 year old , makes no differenceasheads05:03
mashinahave you considered reefer?05:03
Win7Macotherwise not much will happen i assume05:03
mashinadevil's lettuce? slacker parsley?05:04
DocScrutinizer05prolly this 14yo is the skiddie that rapes tmo05:04
mashinascript kitties05:04
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mashinaan n810!05:05
mashinai have an n800 and n90005:05
mashinai need n810 and 770 to completr my set05:05
PocketNinja<-- Wulfe05:05
PocketNinjai always am on my n81005:05
mashinai liked my n800 but its kinda weak05:06
RiDhehe, xchat05:06
mashinalove the n900 but i miss the screen of the n80005:06
PocketNinjaxchat rocks05:06
mashinathat had the best brigtness adjust05:06
mashinait could actually go dim05:06
Win7Macanyway Doc, 501c3 yes or no from your POV? other boardies don't dare to confirm...05:06
mashinaand it was a nice size05:07
mashinabut n800 had that damn awkwad to hold himp05:07
DocScrutinizer05nfc, and not that I care a neutrino05:07
PocketNinjaonly thing i wished they would have kept on the n810 was the fm radio05:08
DocScrutinizer05in my world, HiFo is sth I better stay away from05:08
Tekk_it does seem weird that the n900 has a fm transmitter but afaict no receiver05:09
RiDTekk_ it has a receiver05:09
RiDjust not an app05:09
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Win7MacIANAL too, but I can tell you that a förderverein only works if you promote charitable associations05:09
Win7Mac...which *still* has to be determined as it seems05:10
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders what's right sequence. Get proper longdrink, then headesk until it's empty. Or headesk until longdrink is too tempting05:10
Win7Macif its the case with HiFo as of now05:10
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DocScrutinizer05honestly I don't give a flying F. Take those 4kEUR and ram it up...05:11
DocScrutinizer05my life won't change05:11
PocketNinjadrink first aways05:12
PocketNinjamakes it more fun05:12
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Win7Macbuddy, conserve your head... And as it seems there is nothing to treasure for me until we have an e.v.05:16
Win7MacWhich I for one have decided to not be the treasurer for05:17
Win7Macfunding member yes05:17
DocScrutinizer05honestly, I'm as interested in this topic as I am in growing pigs in pensylvania05:17
DocScrutinizer05I'm an EE, an *engineer*. Please google the term. Then google "hacker", "anarchist"05:18
DocScrutinizer05I get an anaphylactic shock dealing with that stuff05:19
DocScrutinizer05pparticularly since it seems HiFo can't do anything to make my life any easier05:20
DocScrutinizer05so you do your thing, I do mine05:20
DocScrutinizer05I AM NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE!05:24
* DocScrutinizer05 thinks two weeks off time been waaay too short05:25
DocScrutinizer05maybe I should close all my accounts and look what became of this mess, in ~12..24 months05:26
FIQtmo down?05:26
Win7Macdude, i know. but if I can't come up with simple quenstions in order to get the things needed to be done right, what then?05:27
DocScrutinizer05spam attack, no mainainers around to handle it05:27
DocScrutinizer05then? then you ask somebody else05:27
FIQthough wouldn't blocking registration suffice?05:27
FIQor at the very least, make it read only, but perhaps that's more cumbersome than just killing it05:28
FIQoh well05:29
DocScrutinizer05I thought it had been done, checked it and wasn't able to register. But nobody verified that when I asked for help, and instead they pointed me to a 7 minutes old spam thread05:29
DocScrutinizer05tmo down until a maintainer aka moderator asks me to restart it05:30
DocScrutinizer05and I won't discuss HiFo issues in between05:31
Win7MacI don't discuss, I sent you a doc and asked about your opinion... but just forget it05:32
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DocScrutinizer05a doc?05:35
DocScrutinizer05meh, nevermind05:35
DocScrutinizer05spam assassin will handle that05:35
* DocScrutinizer05 feels like maemo's trashbin05:37
Win7Macoh, now blacklisting me?05:37
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lexik# thats bad05:39
Win7Macgeez, why is he so pissed? Anyway, need some sleep now, gn05:39
infobotfor starting (which got paused) you should query docscrutinizer, if and only if you got the power to handle spam attack on tmo05:40
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lexikwhy is dh_make not present in my scratchbox -_- ??06:33
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lexikOk, desn't matter. FANN (for now without python binding) is working. Tommorow i will try to upload it to the extras-devel06:46
lexikoooh... new FANN needs cmake2.8.. i will have to upload an old version which needs just classical ./configure; make; make install06:49
jon_yanother project has fallen under the sway of hpsters07:01
lexik? :)07:02
jon_ymy biggest grief with cmake is that there is no easy way to cross compile07:02
jon_yor use libtool07:03
jon_yor automake07:03
jon_yit's like an iPad, pretty with a GUI, but not very functional07:03
lexiki have successfly compiled FANN with cmake :)07:04
jon_yso how do you cross compile it?07:04
lexikin scatchbox07:04
jon_ywithout scratchbox07:04
jon_yhow do you tell it to --host=xxxx?07:05
jon_yoh wait, you can't, you need some kind of chroot07:05
jon_yand probably assume qemu-user is installed07:06
jon_ywhatever new hipster buildsystems that pops up, is going to reinvent autotools poorly07:07
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lexikcmake was simply the simpliest way how to compile newest version of FANN... older, which im going to try to upload to extras-devel, can be compiled with clasical make07:08
jon_ysure, it's simple as wrapping everything in build.sh07:09
lexikpython ./ install :P07:12
lexikgood night.. :)07:12
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WizardNumberNexthello. I am looking for good, fast uSD 64GB card for mine N900. obviously I would be "loading it up" on computer, so I do not care about N900 limitations in term of speed13:45
WizardNumberNextI know there are people here, who are testing cards for fun ;)13:46
ShadowJKSamsung Pro13:46
WizardNumberNextI was thinking about Samsung, as they are producing memory and other storage devices and their RAM is fast13:47
WizardNumberNextwill SDXC work properly? In theory it should.13:48
ShadowJKSamsung Value and Samsung Plus are a bit random, at some capacity points Value is better, at some points Plus is better. Samsung Pro is consistently good though.13:48
ShadowJKAlso, Samsung only recently started selling cards to consumers, so you don't need to worry too much about accidentally getting older models.13:49
WizardNumberNextI am not going for anything else then premium stuff - like pro13:49
WizardNumberNextother then fakes - I have nothing to worry about then13:49
ShadowJKSandisk also has good products, but you need to be very careful about the exact product# you're getting so that you get the latest model. The "android edition" cards are pretty decent13:50
ShadowJKI consider all other brands too untrustworthy :)13:50
WizardNumberNextI got one fake - suppose to be Samsung plus 10 class - it barely goes to 800KiB/s and never works properly - creating ext4 on it is impossible13:50
WizardNumberNextI was considering sandisk, as it is easier to get it on ebay13:51
WizardNumberNextbut I might get it from amazon or something like this13:51
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ShadowJKI wouldn't get any memory cards from ebay13:52
ShadowJKAnd only Amazon if it says sold and shipped by Amazon13:52
WizardNumberNextnot any more - damn one never arrived, another is fake13:52
WizardNumberNextfortunately it says sold and shipped by amazon13:53
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ShapeshifterWhat's with tmo?14:07
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t-f-bI have understood there was a spam attack and it is pauzed until an admin is available14:16
ShapeshifterI see.14:20
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RzRhas any of you a harmattan sbox ?15:25
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randervaultStatus on TMO? Is the spam being cleared?15:42
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lexikTMO is down..15:48
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dos1randervault: TMO is waiting for some admin/mod to step up and prevent more spam15:57
randervaultis stskeep still the admin?15:58
ShadowJKwas he ever?16:01
ShadowJKwait what16:01
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DocScrutinizer05Earthwings: is the upload account for that other guy (forgot the name) working now?16:08
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xeshi DocScrutinizer0516:12
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DocScrutinizer05xes: do you think I should try to mail reggie and ask for help with tmo administration?16:14
xestonight i saw that someone removed a few of that spam threads/posts... Who?16:15
DocScrutinizer05good question, no idea16:15
DocScrutinizer05I don't even have a comprehensive list of mods on tmo16:15
xesi don't think that those spammers changed idea removing what they had posted before16:15
Earthwingsshentey: ^^16:15
DocScrutinizer05chem|st does his very own empire there16:16
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DocScrutinizer05right, shentey. could you ask him if his account works as expected, please?16:16
DocScrutinizer05ooh, he's in here16:16
Earthwingsshentey: around? did you try uploading to extras yet?16:16
DocScrutinizer05shentey: we need your close feedback to fix possible oopsies in your account16:18
DocScrutinizer05sysops / maintainers can't test your account, you're the only one who got the ssh key16:18
shenteyEarthwings: nope, I'm still looking for a way to build the package that doesn't require too much patching16:19
DocScrutinizer05aaah, well.16:19
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DocScrutinizer05shentey: please ask freemangordon_ about that testpackage he used to check autobuilder and relatives. You might try to upload that void package to confirm your account is ok16:20
shenteyDocScrutinizer05: ah, great16:21
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shenteyfreemangordon_: around?16:21
RiDtmo still paused?16:21
DocScrutinizer05I'm not savvy regarding that, please coordinate with freemangordon_. When any problems arise, come back here and oing me, I'll try to fix them16:21
DocScrutinizer05RiD: alas yes. chem|st failed to appoint any stand-in who has full admin rights on tmo16:22
DocScrutinizer05and aiui chem|st isn't available due to holiday offtime16:22
DocScrutinizer05I'll try to fight spam issue with help of thedead144016:23
RiDfunny thing, wayback machine has a tmo snapshot 30 august16:23
DocScrutinizer05or reach out for reggie (ex tmo owner), afaik he still should have full permissions16:24
RiDoh but probably many things are missing16:24
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Win7MacIt was Gerbick who removed some of the spam posts. He has limited rights to delete spam AFAIK16:24
RiDwayback machine is useless, probably tmo does not let robots sneak the content16:24
DocScrutinizer05RiD: tmo is highly dynamic content, it's hard to "mirror" it16:25
DocScrutinizer05almost impossible16:25
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dos1I wonder how spambots reacted on TMO being down16:26
RiDpanic and rage?16:26
dos1maybe it already got removed from their lists as being inaccessible? :D16:26
dos1RiD: nah, that was community members16:26
Win7MacIn another spam attack earlier this year it was discovered that those spamming accounts were registered months before the spamming16:27
DocScrutinizer05now that a few interested tmo users who are experienced are around, i might unpause it while you keep it under close observation and holler if spamming persists16:27
Win7Maclets give it a try16:28
RiDi'd laugh and cry at the same time if suddenly a bot horde joins16:28
DocScrutinizer05I expect very close monitoring done by a few of you, with reports every 60s in here16:28
xestmo: admin/spam mod:
DocScrutinizer05who's willing to help doing such monitoring (I.E. searching for new members and new spams)?16:29
Win7MacI will16:30
RiDI can do it for a while too16:30
DocScrutinizer05xes: nice! thanks!16:30
DocScrutinizer05unpausing it in 30s16:30
RiDinitiate launch countdown16:31
RiD50 guests already?16:32
DocScrutinizer05what's going on?16:34
RiDnothing. Someone deleted the old spam16:34
Win7Macall spam gone16:34
RiDnow it's the waiting game, tic tac16:34
DocScrutinizer05isn't there a "newest member" somewhere in maemo skin?16:34
Win7Macmember search > advanced > member after >put date here16:35
RiDwell, on the bottom there's a "welcome to our newest member"16:35
DocScrutinizer05RiD: that's what I recalled16:36
DocScrutinizer05please try to monitor if new accounts get created16:36
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DocScrutinizer05our regular mods can ban members who created account yesterday and today start spamming, but they can't edit/patch/block account creation16:38
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DocScrutinizer05>>Welcome to our newest member, zlf4Cn <<16:42
Win7Mac2nd but last: bobfromcanada16:43
DocScrutinizer05sorry, it seems I have to take tmo down again16:43
dos1good that i've already finished sending reply to Neo900 thread16:43
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DocScrutinizer05tmo paused since obviously still spammers creating new accounts (zlf4Cn doesn't look like a sane username)16:47
RiDneither bobfromcanada16:47
RiDhi i'm bob and i'm from canada16:48
DocScrutinizer05nah, bobfromcanada is a very pretty name I'd think16:48
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DocScrutinizer05we need some tmo admin to fix registration procedure, it's either broken or got hacked, or both16:49
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DocScrutinizer05also we should forbid new accounts to post, for at least 3 days. Or ceate an automatism that bans new users when their first post gets "reported"16:50
Win7Macprobably better: forbid new accounts to post links16:51
Win7Macthats how other forums usually handle it16:51
DocScrutinizer05that's a safe bet, and I thought it been like this16:51
Win7Macoh, i don' know, might be16:52
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DocScrutinizer05(it's a while since I had a new account on tmo ;-D )16:52
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DocScrutinizer05ok, awesome thedead1440 mailed me that he can't IRC but takes care of permanently ban any new tmo users who start spamming. He asked me to resume tmo VM.17:02
DocScrutinizer05hi thedead1440! via chanlog, a bold THANKYOU!17:02
DocScrutinizer05tmo resumed17:03
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WizardNumberNexthello. I need to reset media-player db. tmo is down and there's answer. Do anybody remember command?17:07
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dos1WizardNumberNext: tmo is up since few minutes ago ;)17:08
DocScrutinizer05trackerd -r; or sth like that17:10
DocScrutinizer05please everybody continue watching tmo for spammers, thedead1440 can one-click clean out them, but he needs to know about them to do that17:10
DocScrutinizer05ooh, and could somebody evaluate the registration process please. I tried and it seemed to me that creating new account is already not possible. zlf4Cn lets me stand corrected17:12
DocScrutinizer05I got
dos1DocScrutinizer05: dos2 has just registered17:14
DocScrutinizer05my suspicion is that somebody removed a few text input fields from - but that doesn't help when spammer creates the URL to register by a script17:14
DocScrutinizer05xes: could you try removing the register.php?17:15
Win7MacWelcome to our newest member, dos217:15
xesDocScrutinizer05: sure17:15
DocScrutinizer05thanks a lot!17:15
Win7Macis that you dos1?17:15
DocScrutinizer05dos1: thanks to you as well17:15
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xes 40417:16
DocScrutinizer05xes: of course not remove but just rename, and send a tmo PM and a mail to chem|st17:16
DocScrutinizer05so he knows how to revert17:17
DocScrutinizer05xes: awesome, many thanks!17:17
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DocScrutinizer05to everybody: on, at very bottom of page, under " - Talk Statistics" you got "Welcome to our newest member, dos2". Please holler loud and immediately when the user dos2 changes to sth else there! Thanks!17:19
LjL-Alpsi'll wait for dos 3, would rather have nested subdirectories17:21
DocScrutinizer05drdos FTW17:22
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freemangordonPali: KP packages are in the stable repo, but not in the package interface. reason is that KP49 is still in the repo. If you want them to appear in the package interface, I can just remove KP4917:32
Palifreemangordon: ok, do it17:32
freemangordonremove kp49? ok.17:32
freemangordonPali: it is kp42 even :)17:36
Paliok :-)17:36
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dos1Win7Mac: yes, that was me17:37
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: could you please help shentey to test his account?17:38
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: see backscroll17:39
DocScrutinizer05ok, we have disabled registration of new users on tmo (at least we hope we succeded in doing so). Already registered spammer personalities might still continue spamming. Please report any spam you run into, both in tmo by "report" button and in here via posting link to the spam thread. Thanks!17:41
freemangordonshentey: the package in question is called autobuildertest, just apt-get source autobuildertest, increase the version in changelog and put it in the builder17:42
shenteyfreemangordon: thx :)17:42
DocScrutinizer05shentey: if any problems shor up during upload (or "build"), please immediately holler here17:43
freemangordonshentey: the latest version is 0.1-3, in extras-devel17:43
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DocScrutinizer05show up*17:44
DocScrutinizer05shentey: there might be issues with your login-"shell" as configured on drop, then17:44
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DocScrutinizer05also keep in mind that propagation of changed ssh pubkey on garage may take undefined timespans till it reaches the other VMs17:46
DocScrutinizer05VM's are sunced via scrpts started by cron17:46
DocScrutinizer05or not at all ;-)17:46
freemangordonPali: I removed kp37 and kp24 too17:47
DocScrutinizer05cruft! ;-P17:47
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: please try to usually coordinate such removals with merlin1991 (repo maintainer)17:48
freemangordonfor kernel-power that is, will fix the other packages once kernel-power 52 appears in the package iface17:48
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DocScrutinizer05*sigh*  usual calm sunday, how relaxing X-P17:50
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DocScrutinizer05OT rant: KDE4 network monitor widget USELESS. Auto-scaling, with no numeric or other hints to the scale used. All you can tell from it is relative shape of traffic during last 20s, but you dunno if that's kB/s or MB/s17:53
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shenteydoes that look correct?
dos1DocScrutinizer05: scale it up, it has numeric hints but only if its height is big enough17:57
freemangordonhmm, I am usually using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -us -uc17:57
freemangordonshentey: ^^^17:57
shenteyfreemangordon: alright, I'll use that command17:58
freemangordonshentey: wait17:58
freemangordonyour should be fine too17:58
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freemangordonPali: what about kernel-power-headers?17:58
Paliit is not needed in extras repository17:58
freemangordonthe version in stable is 40, in testing is 5017:59
freemangordonbut there is one in stable17:59
Palishould be removed17:59
DocScrutinizer05dos1: how would I scale up this: ?17:59
shenteyfreemangordon: your command seems to also build a .deb package17:59
freemangordonshentey: yeah17:59
freemangordonthat is why I said your is ok too17:59
Paliin extras should be only user packages, right?17:59
freemangordonPali: hmm, no. afaik17:59
shenteyfreemangordon: alright, I'll try to upload then18:00
freemangordondefine "user packages"18:00
dos1DocScrutinizer05: ouch, you have it on panel... then you're right18:00
dos1but well, you can always scale your panel up! :D18:00
Paliif some package depends on it then that package needs -headers only at compile time18:00
Paliand packages are compiled in extras-devel18:00
DocScrutinizer05KDE4 built by the 3 stooges18:00
Palifreemangordon: package which is not needed on n900 device18:00
Paliand headers is really not needed on device18:01
freemangordonPali: you can;t install them via HAM anyway, but the repo is inconsistent that way18:01
freemangordonBTW the same for kp debug packages18:02
Palidebug should not be in extras too...18:02
freemangordonin debug package is oprofile module18:02
Paliand you cannot install debug/headers packages via HAM18:02
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Palihm, then ok18:03
freemangordonPali: see ;)18:03
qwazixdoes the GTA04 support cellular data on debian?18:03
shenteylooks like it worked, yay!
dos1qwazix: with FSO, yes18:05
qwazixdos1, thanks18:05
shenteyfreemangordon: so if I'd want to build the package myself (no compiling on the server), I'd use your command?18:05
freemangordonshentey: I use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b for tha purpose18:06
freemangordonno sopurce package build :)18:06
freemangordonsource even18:06
thedead1440Hi DocScrutinizer0518:07
thedead1440thanks for resuming the vm :)18:07
shenteyfreemangordon: iiuc, you don't upload source packages... why?18:07
thedead1440and xes thanks for disabling registration18:07
freemangordonshentey: <shentey> freemangordon: so if I'd want to build the package myself (no compiling on the server), I'd use your command?18:07
thedead1440dos1: is dos2 really you on tmo?18:07
freemangordonshentey: for "no compiling on the server" I used the above command18:08
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dos1thedead1440: yes, I was just testing if it was still possible to register18:08
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thedead1440dos1: did you get a captcha to enter? just wondering as i havent seen the registration page in ages18:09
shenteyfreemangordon: ah, I figured that dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b creates .deb packages only (no source packages)18:09
dos1thedead1440: yes18:09
xesthedead1440: yw! :-) When you need to shutdown something call me.. i know many brutal ways to do that! ;-)18:09
freemangordonshentey: good, this is what it is suppoed to do :)18:09
thedead1440dos1: ok since it was a test i will ban and clean the account with a note about the test18:10
thedead1440xes: :D18:10
freemangordonxes: you know what "special NMI" is?18:10
xesthedead1440: now we have ~20 spammer users to remove18:10
dos1thedead1440: ok, no problem18:10
xesfreemangordon: no sorry18:10
freemangordonpull the power plug :P18:11
infobotmethinks nmi is Non-Maskable Interrupts, a way to diagnose why a CPU soft-froze.18:11
thedead1440xes: you mean those who have posted spam or just suspected spammers?18:11
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: yw, thanks for helping out on managing the attack! :-)18:11
xescheck users registered in the last 24h... many usernames are very clear18:12
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: i must have refreshed tmo a gazillion times in the hope you were back to resume the vm :D18:12
thedead1440no probs18:13
DocScrutinizer05had one of my rare suspend offtimes18:13
thedead1440yeah i was surprised too; usually there is no downtime in jrtzv :p18:13
DocScrutinizer05unscheduled service downtime due to virus attack18:14
thedead1440sigh i can't one touch ban&clean an account without any posts; will leave it to chemist to remove dos2 without labeling it as a spam account18:14
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: ouch... how are you feeling now?18:14
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: keep dos2, I asked tmo users to watch for it changing18:14
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: ok18:14
DocScrutinizer05(feel) like a bag full of surplus junk18:15
thedead1440xes: i can't one touch clean accounts without any posts so have to wait for them to come to life18:15
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: you should be off then18:15
thedead1440how about your meds?18:16
DocScrutinizer05What I should do though is prepare me another coffee18:16
DocScrutinizer05no meds to cure virus attacks18:17
xesthedead1440: the attack is still in progress so we should expect that these new users could post something. Sadly the number of ip that we should block is very large... so there is no easy way to ban them all18:17
DocScrutinizer05for my system there's no general purpose antivir yet18:18
thedead1440xes: :( i am awake for another ~2-3 hours so i will be monitoring them but if they come to life after that i hope someone else is able to stop them18:18
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: lol; you are one of a kind after all :p18:19
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: could you ban users?18:19
thedead1440yeah as spambot18:19
thedead1440or just for 3 days too18:19
DocScrutinizer05please ban all new users of last maybe 36 hours18:19
thedead1440isnt that risky that legitimate users get banned too?18:20
DocScrutinizer05send them a notification that we appoligize for inconveniences if they are no spammer18:20
thedead1440oh ok18:20
DocScrutinizer05tell them to contact $maemo-staff to unban them18:21
DocScrutinizer05keep in mind spammers also might want to send PM if they can't spam public threads anymore18:21
thedead1440so no pm for them18:21
DocScrutinizer05we don't want them to do that18:22
thedead1440just a message to try registering after 48hours18:22
thedead1440we have 20 users (incl dos2) who have registered since 30-08-13 and have 0 posts18:22
xesall the new real users of latest 24h i think to recall that have posted something "human"18:22
DocScrutinizer05nah, give them a "out of band" means like email to get ban removed18:22
thedead1440lets shift this to -admin18:23
WizzupDoes tmo run vbulletin? (In train on 2g atm), but my forum recently got hit (but we prevented it) by some new vbulletin 0day18:23
DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: yup18:23
DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: any pointers?18:23
WizzupWhich allowed remote attackers to create admin accounts18:24
WizzupStill exists, happened yesterday18:24
Wizzupwe have admincp shielded by several layers though18:24
WizzupNot sure if this is related, just saying18:24
DocScrutinizer05what's suggested to fight it?18:25
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DocScrutinizer05I think we should take down tmo again until we investigated and hardened tmo18:25
WizzupI don't know, someone else took a look at it, I've been off the grid last two days :-)18:25
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DocScrutinizer05any pointers to the disclosure/original thread?18:26
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WizzupDocScrutinizer05: If you had a breakin of some kind, yes, if it is just spammers, not sure18:26
WizzupDocScrutinizer05: no, it just happened at our forum, I am going to report it to them this evening18:27
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DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: I don't want to wait for any breakin18:27
Wizzup(They require full logic details to to report anything..)18:27
infobotWizzup meant: (They require full login details to to report anything..)18:27
DocScrutinizer05mhm, so _you_ discovered it and it's not even disclosed yet?18:27
DocScrutinizer05we are investigating it anyway. Thanks for mentioning it. We don't want to spread it here and now, not to wake sleeping dogs18:28
freemangordonWizzup: what version?18:29
WizzupDocScrutinizer05: no, I just know it exists, I didn't discover it18:29
Wizzupfreemangordon: good question, 4.x; maybe maemo runs 3.x?18:29
qwazixyep maemo runs 3.818:30
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Palinice :-)18:46
freemangordonPali: could you check if something is missing?18:47
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Palilooks like it is ok18:48
RiDpower52 is on stable now?18:55
DocScrutinizer05many thanks to walter1950 for his constant help behind the scenes18:56
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freemangordonns id Melnik12319:20
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kerioi wonder if he noticed19:42
kerioand if he changed his password already19:42
kerio -NickServ- You are now identified for freemangordon.19:43
keriofreemangordon: yo, change your password19:43
freemangordonkerio: that is what I am trying to do19:43
kerio234 people know it19:43
kerioit's just /ns set password newpass19:43
dos1or wait, let me do that for you... ;)19:44
freemangordondos1: too late19:44
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dos1:( but i wanted to be a "hacker"! :(19:45
keriodos1: you can go Melnik123 my Melnik123-ing Melnik12319:45
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shenteyhey, I've uploaded some .debs (no sources) which should show up here, but don't?
shenteyDocScrutinizer05, freemangordon: ^^20:52
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DocScrutinizer05shentey: you upload to autobuilder input queue. Autbuilder builds. Repo management promotes built package to repository. eventually it will show up in package interface then.20:53
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DocScrutinizer05shentey: there's no way to upload stuff to repo and thus to package interface directly20:54
shenteyDocScrutinizer05: is this also true for uploading .debs *only*?20:54
DocScrutinizer05you're not supposed to upload .deb afaik20:56
shenteyDocScrutinizer05: freemangordon uses the -b option for dpkg-buildpackage, that's why figured I could upload .deb files directly20:57
DocScrutinizer05the idea is: you maintain your project on garage, where your co-devels can contribute and you have all the svn/git and docs and files and mailinglists and stuff. You build locally on your PC under scratchbox. When you are content with the result, you upload the *sources* to autobuilder, which will do a faithful copy of what your local build process did, to make sure all .deb on extras repo are based 100% on what the source claims they are21:00
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DocScrutinizer05part one (garage project) is not mandatory, though highly recommended21:01
divVerenteven when just using someone else's package and debian source pkg, btw?21:04
divVerentI would still feel wrong claiming ownership for it by making such a garage project21:05
divVerentif it is not my code21:05
DocScrutinizer05oooh, you're not claiming ownership by creating a garage project. You accept maintainership responsibility21:06
divVerenthehe, maybe I should make a garage project "Packages ported from Debian"21:06
divVerentthen it is clear :)21:06
DocScrutinizer05nope, will not meet maemo rules for project naming21:06
divVerentoh? so one project per package is mandatory?21:07
divVerenteven if one package is just a dependent lib?21:07
DocScrutinizer05then not21:07
divVerentjust wondering, as I probably want to port the clex file manager if it works21:07
divVerentnot just because mc is broken21:08
divVerentalso because mc is no fun on n900 display :P21:08
DocScrutinizer05that's correct21:08
lexikDocScrutinizer05: i have no experiences with autobilder, so please sorry my stupid questions, i want to upload FANN (in debian repo it it named libfann2), what i have to do is to upload source-codes which can be compiled which "clear" scratchbox? or the .deb package? or both?21:09
DocScrutinizer05it works absolutely fine via ssh though21:09
divVerentone thing I maybe would want to change in clex is keyboard mapping21:09
divVerentbut... how21:09
divVerentit needs f keys21:09
divVerentand esc is not bound by default, and unlike mc no onscreen f key bar21:09
DocScrutinizer05lexik: ask the developers who actually use that machinery every day. I'm not really any kind of developer on maemo21:10
DocScrutinizer05my guess however wuld be: sources plus some auxiliary files that define what to do with the sources21:10
lexikDocScrutinizer05: ok, i will ask someone in Saera thread which is related to it, thanks.21:11
divVerentnormally that is how debian source pkgs work21:11
divVerentdsc, diff.gz, source21:11
DocScrutinizer05lexik: ask freemangordon or pali or merlin1991 or... all in here21:11
DocScrutinizer05also please refer to the howtos available on wiki.maemo.org21:12
lexikii have read all these dev-stuff on wiki, however there are some things i still dont understand21:14
DocScrutinizer05>>Publishing non-free packages in the Maemo Extras Devel repository for Fremantle is done via dput. Direct upload of binary packages is allowed for non-free packages only.<<21:15
lexikso that means i have to upload the >>source<< which will be compiled by autobilder and packaged automaticaly21:16
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qdhfgfgh3gg1Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog (facebook&twitter) spy 4 israel&usa???21:43
qdhfgfgh3gg1Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet???21:43
qdhfgfgh3gg1هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لاسرائيل و امريكا؟؟؟؟21:43
qdhfgfgh3gg1Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog(facebook&twitter) spy4israel&usa???21:43
qdhfgfgh3gg1Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet???21:43
qdhfgfgh3gg1هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لاسرائيل و امريكا؟؟؟؟21:43
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DocScrutinizer05seems it's a lame exploit on some flaw in a iOS font21:48
DocScrutinizer05this is more exciting!21:48
DocScrutinizer05I emphasized the LTE modem option, which somehow got ignored during the last week's discussion21:49
dos1hmm, I can't connect to tmo21:50
DocScrutinizer05so finally no more PITA with carriers and the bands they support, in 3rd world mobile nation USA21:50
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DocScrutinizer05I wonder if xes placed you on the IP banlist ;-P21:51
shenteyDocScrutinizer05: is there a way I can watch the progress of my package in autobuilder?21:51
dos1hah :D21:51
DocScrutinizer05shentey: there are some clumsy sources of info about what goes on in autobuilder et al21:52
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DocScrutinizer05usually you get a mail notification and there's also a webpage which shows the build protocols for your package, once it got processes. And there's that "last built" or whatever on right hand in default skin, iirc. (no default skin here)21:54
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DocScrutinizer05dos1: can you change IP?21:54
shenteyDocScrutinizer05: yeah, my package doesn't show up there and I didn't get an e-mail so far... so I'm wondering what the current status is21:55
DocScrutinizer05I'm lost, please ask freemangordon21:56
dos1DocScrutinizer05: yup, dynamic IP21:56
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DocScrutinizer05shentey: since ~12h we changed some config so I get notification mails about built packages21:57
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dos1and it works :)21:59
DocScrutinizer05>>The package autobuildertest_0.1-4_armel.changes has been succesfully uploaded and installed in th esuite fremantle. You can find the .changes file at the end of this message.<<21:59
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shenteyDocScrutinizer05: I've now uploaded the marble sources... the autobuildertest has been building fine, I know22:00
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DocScrutinizer05well, you can watch load on builder VM in ganglia ;-)22:01
shenteygot a link?22:01
dos1LTE? awesome!22:03
dos1good that it's not april today: :D22:04
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DocScrutinizer05dos1: LOL22:07
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DocScrutinizer05shentey: seems builder pretty busy since ~30min22:08
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xesDocScrutinizer05: ip ban ? who wants to be banned? ;-)22:09
DocScrutinizer05xes: you banned dos1 ;-P22:10
* shentey remembers watching the live shell output in his browser when building for Harmattan22:10
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DocScrutinizer05that's a completely dufferent machine22:11
xesnoo, i really don't think. I parsed only who was polling register.xxx22:11
DocScrutinizer05different even22:11
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DocScrutinizer05we don't have COBS on maemo autobuilder22:11
dos1xes: well, I saw 404 on register.php :D22:11
dos1xes: but everything's fine, I have dynamic IP and already changed it22:12
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xesdos1: have you at least a part of your old ip?22:13
DocScrutinizer05dos1: xes: it's most probably similar to new IP22:16
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: ;)22:17
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: ^^^22:18
kerioDocScrutinizer05: is LTE more standardized than umts?22:19
kerioalso, does LTE do calls too?22:19
dos1kerio: LTE modems generally support GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS too :P22:20
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freemangordonlexik: what did you do?22:21
DocScrutinizer05and yes, technically LTE supports voice calls as well. Dunno how it could be any more standardized than UMTS22:21
freemangordonkerio: wanna try thumbified pyhton?22:22
keriosure, why not22:22
kerioi still have no wifi tho :s22:23
* kerio looks for his usb cable22:23
freemangordonI am reluctant to put it in the repo, without testing it first, but I am not much in python :)22:23
freemangordonkerio: ok, will put it in my ~ on merlin1991's server22:23
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Win7Macfreemangordon, saw my query yesterday?22:24
freemangordonWin7Mac: yep, I already asked warfare, but seems he is busy these days22:24
freemangordonkerio: uploading22:25
keriofreemangordon: oh, i was looking for it22:25
freemangordonkerio: keep in mind I didn;t touch control or changes file, just recompiled with m-thumb22:26
freemangordondamn :(22:26
freemangordonkerio: could you do some benchmarks before and after upgrade?22:27
kerioNO >:(22:27
keriook fine22:27
keriowhich python is this? still 2.5.4?22:27
keriohow do i benchmark it?22:27
freemangordonoh, shit, iDont sent me new bb-power-thumb and I forgot to put it in the repo22:28
keriowhy you22:28
freemangordonbecause he doesn't have access to the repo22:28
keriono i meant like a "why you..."22:28
kerioas in "why, you..."22:28
keriofreemangordon: the pypy dudes have tons of benchmarks22:29
kerioalso, why is python still 2.5 and not 2.7?22:33
freemangordonbecause this is the stock version22:33
kerioPython 2.7 was released on July 3rd, 2010.22:33
kerioPython 2.6 (final) was released on October 1st, 2008.22:34
freemangordonand entered extras-devel a week ago :)22:34
freemangordon2.7 that is22:34
kerioit's not even 2.7.5, it's 2.7.3rc222:34
keriofor some weird reason22:34
kerioand it's useless22:34
freemangordonkerio: feel free to port it22:34
keriobecause libraries are installed for 2.5.322:34
kerioall the python- packages22:34
freemangordonno, it is not useless, it allows me to build modern gecko ;)22:35
kerioif we were a real distribution we'd just decide to update python and related packages22:35
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keriothat's a lot of packages22:39
freemangordonI guess you don't need to install dsc and tar.gz :P22:40
shenteylooks like it just built marble-maps? hmm
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shenteythat's wrong22:42
shenteyit should build 5 packages22:42
freemangordongive it some time22:44
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keriofreemangordon: ok, it runs22:45
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shenteyyeah, looks good indeed :)22:47
freemangordonit takes an hour at most for the packages to land in the repo22:47
lexikfreemangordon: i have successflly compiled FANN 2.2.0 with cmake 2.8.9 (from, FANN 2.1.0 could be compiled with autotools22:51
freemangordonlexik: fine, but I don;t understand what is your problem :)22:52
freemangordonjust upload it to autobuilder22:52
freemangordonif it is debian packaged22:52
lexikmay i upload the >>original<< 2.1.0 version to extras-devel without >>any<< modifications?22:53
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freemangordonlexik: why not, if you can build it with dpkg-buildpackage22:54
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freemangordonkerio: any feedback?23:24
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