IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2013-08-31

xesfreemangordon: ping00:06
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xescompiling a package (gnuradio) that requires boost, with linaro gcc 4.7 i'm hanged in the same bug described here:
povbotBug 812728: was not found.00:08
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lexikhi.. today ive tryed to repair my n900's broken usb.. failed :) its too tiny, tommorow im going to try another way.... but.... hell it is tiny :D00:42
lexikand my solder is probably too big00:43
Win7Macyour iron ;9...00:44
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lexikemm... yes :P00:45
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DocScrutinizer05you need a max 30W (or better electronically regulated) soldering iron with a pinpoint tip specially designed to solder SMT stuff01:05
xesDocScrutinizer05: do you think we could organize a team to repair broken N900?01:07
RiDspeaking of broken n900s01:08
RiDthis one i recently got does not always detect when the usb is plugged in... hopefully when i solder it it'll be good01:08
DocScrutinizer05and you should use proper strictly electronic activated resin flux, like
RiDi don't need another n900 without a working usb01:09
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DocScrutinizer05not "recognizing" USB often happens due to some race condition *somewhere* in maemo system, either kernel or dbus or whatever01:10
RiDit kinda seemed the usb fault, it was loosy already01:10
RiDeither way i'm not plugging in anything until it gets soldered01:10
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DocScrutinizer05if it isn't showing a behaviour of suddenly recognizing chager when you gently touch the USB plug, but reliably detects on replugging the plug, then you got no hw problem but usual software glitch01:11
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RiDidk, i'll just wait01:12
DocScrutinizer05nothing bad with soldering down the USB to reinforce it. But don't touch the 5 electrical connectors if you're not sure it's needed01:12
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RiDi'm not gonna touch them... unless something goes seriously wrong01:13
iluminator105where can i order a n900 strip01:13
lexikDocScrutinizer05: thanx! i will try to buy similar soldering iron01:13
lexikcan high temperature destroy the n900 pcb?...01:14
iluminator105where can i order a n900 strip?01:15
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DocScrutinizer05xes: I don't know how to organize such team01:25
DocScrutinizer05lexik: sure01:25
DocScrutinizer05iluminator105: strip?01:25
DocScrutinizer05I guess you don't ask for a striptease?01:26
iluminator105DocScrutinizer05, strip meaning when you move the keyboard connect keyboard to the motherboard01:26
lexikMaemo, hmm SoGood01:26
lexikstriptease? you mean dissassembly01:27
DocScrutinizer05iluminator105: sore, can't parse01:27
xesread "ribbon cable"01:27
DocScrutinizer05oooh, a flexible board connector01:28
xes(i suppose)01:28
iluminator105is that what its called it connects the keyboard section with the other sectioin01:29
DocScrutinizer05yes, the flexible board (or somesuch term) aka ribbon flex connector is the component that connects N900's two hlafs01:29
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DocScrutinizer05yep, ribbon flex cable01:32
xessometimes the most difficult part is search with the right terms01:33
xesspare parts for the N900 are slowly disappearing in the latest months01:34
xes..while the market of used n900 is filled with damaged phone01:34
DocScrutinizer05:nod: that's why we need to speed up with Neo90001:34
DocScrutinizer05a few specialized parts are already not available anymore, and even keymats get rare01:35
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if council should start a project to stash spare parts01:37
DocScrutinizer05but in the end that would be too expensive and dead capital01:37
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xesa little internal store for spare parts with someone that could repair the phone would be a great survival insurance and service... Sure, i agree with the dead capital :-(01:39
xesi'm building gnuradio 3.7.1.... Zzzz slow...01:40
DocScrutinizer05took like 2h+ for me01:40
xeswith scratchbox?01:40
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xesi have issues with linaro gcc 4.7.2... It can't compile the sources depending on libboost. It seems a known bug of 4.7. Now i'm trying with gcc 4.2.01:43
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iluminator105i have problem with my other laptop it boots to grub and is stuck at grub01:46
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RiDiluminator105 does your laptop run maemo? :D01:47
lexikofftopic. >> #grub01:47
lexikdoes your n900 use grub instead of uboot? :D01:48
iluminator105n900 uses the default but  its broken01:48
lexikwhat is broken? maemo is not booting?01:50
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iluminator105ribbon flex cable01:51
RiDfix it? :P01:52
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xesths could be interesting to order some spare part:
RiDaccording to that site i got 100€ worth of random stuff02:02
RiDbut i am tempted by the english keymat :\02:03
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xesthey have some part that "china market" don't offer02:04
RiDscrews, lol02:06
DocScrutinizer05xes: which ones? most of is out of stock anyway02:08
xesumpf :-(02:09
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DocScrutinizer05RiD: english keymat? where?02:17
RiDthenokiaparts it seems02:17
DocScrutinizer05you're sure it's available?02:17
RiDno idea if its in stock02:17
RiDi dont even know how to add stuff to the shopping cart lol02:17
DocScrutinizer05all out-of-stock items have same cryptic writing02:18
RiDso everything is out of stock? lol02:18
RiDok actually not laughing02:18
RiDmore like crying02:18
DocScrutinizer05seems I don't find anything I could order02:20
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DocScrutinizer05nfc, anyway check
DocScrutinizer05search for anything02:24
DocScrutinizer05allegedly the screws for 4.00 are not "out of stock" but still I don't see how to order them02:26
DocScrutinizer05iirc refused to sell to non-commercial customers02:27
DocScrutinizer05"Ei varastossa."02:29
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DocScrutinizer05   vs
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xesklc is nokia parts (change the language with the flag)02:34
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: btw, DSS supports HDMI ootb, maybe "you" should think about that fancy connector that integrates USB and HDMI02:34
DocScrutinizer05you need to be smart (well a tiny bit) to find spare parts02:34
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: it's not only the connector, we also would need the HDMI converter gear02:35
DocScrutinizer05but yeah, might be worth it02:35
freemangordonhmm? sorry, elaborate on the "gar" part02:35
DocScrutinizer05prolly the converter/driver chip is small and simple and cheap02:36
SpeedEvilIt is - fairly02:36
freemangordonoh, you mean there should be some multiplexer?02:36
SpeedEvilfreemangordon: MHL/slimport are basically over the USB connector serialised (more) hdMI02:36
DocScrutinizer05no, I mean ther should be some pin labeled "HDMI", SoC doesn't have02:36
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: omap dss supports hdme. ofc I have NFC how is the phisical iface implemented.02:37
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DocScrutinizer05that's the point. You probably need a driver chip02:38
freemangordonI see02:38
LjL-Alpsjust when you thought MHL could have been a nice universal interface to connecting phones to screens, Samsung >S2 has a different cable (even though it still calls it "MHL"), and Nexus 4 uses something else called "MyDP"02:38
* freemangordon is searching for MHL02:38
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DocScrutinizer05I think omap SoC supports AV rather without any external parts, just a resistor and a bead and capacitor, For HDMI though I think you need more than that02:39
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: iirc HDMI is supported by the Soc without any extenal part. Maybe checking how it is done in BB will give us some idea02:40
freemangordonparts even02:40
DocScrutinizer05I looked into that for GTA03 S2440 or whatever the SoC02:41
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: sure. I admit I have no link to BB schematics02:41
xesohh...i want a good old DB25 connector...something easy to solder and that we could use just like a docking station socket...... ;-)  remaining pins could stay unused for future purposes...02:41
DocScrutinizer05and I'm simply too lazy to open and search the 3800pp OMAP TRM02:42
freemangordonxes: DB25 for RS232? :P02:42
xesyep... good old sockets02:42
freemangordonyeah :)02:43
DocScrutinizer05or rather: SCSII02:43
freemangordonyou guys are old :D02:43
xesso every human can solder that f** pins02:43
DocScrutinizer05dman, those were awesome connectors, with I think 100 pins02:44
DocScrutinizer05and a proper steel case02:44
DocScrutinizer05and true locks02:45
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: scsi? afaik some modern variant is still on the field02:45
DocScrutinizer05*very* convenient, just the cables were awkward02:45
freemangordonthough... you know... SAS02:45
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xesbut the car holder would be so easy...02:45
xeshave you tried to plug the micro usb while driving in the middle of traffic??02:47
freemangordonxes: why should I? when I could do it before I start driving ;)02:47
xesbah.. ok end of caos, please go ahead with technical serious points02:48
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xesuops .. freemangordon: have you read my comments about linaro? News about the 4.8 version?02:49
LjL-Alpsi have a car holder for my Android phone, but it has no provision for easy plugging in of USB02:49
DocScrutinizer05CN-50, so only 50 pins :-(02:49
LjL-Alpsalthough it's pretty nifty as the phone just neatly clicks in and out of it02:50
DocScrutinizer05aaah I knew it - DEC: 68 pins02:50
freemangordonxes: hmm, I read the post but obviously have missed that there are news. Going to reread it :)02:50
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: is everything ok with warfare? I was changing the ISP these days, so I could've missed something.02:51
DocScrutinizer05I dunno, he's rather quite since his outtime02:51
DocScrutinizer05xes: (2h) for x86, no scratchbox02:52
freemangordonxes: are there any cortex-a8 improvements? as all I have seen for the last year was a15 support/fixes02:53
freemangordonxes: And I still don;t know how to build a toolchain for SB :(02:53
xeswho built the latest?02:54
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: saw it, will take a look ASAP, I wa busy with the supl shit02:55
* DocScrutinizer05 despises bug reports ending up in that thread02:56
freemangordonthough I am prety suspicious about the bug reports by that guy :)02:56
freemangordonhe is too much of a hacker02:57
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: in that regard - did anyone contact the ex-nokian ex-debmaster guy?02:58
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: I don't know03:28
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Mike11hey people :)03:30
Mike11I have a Nokia n900 phone, I am trying to compile a simple hello world c program03:30
Mike11I intalled gcc-4.6 package using "apt-get install gcc-4.6"03:30
Mike11but whenver I try to compile, it says:03:30
DocScrutinizer05out of memory03:31
Mike11gcc-4.6: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory03:31
DocScrutinizer05you're not supposed to install gcc and related binutils and libs needed to form a working build environment, on N900 rootfs03:32
Mike11where should I intall that??03:32
Mike11I used apt-get03:32
DocScrutinizer05basically development on target platform isn't supported. some hackers achieved to do it nevertheless, but they usually use a chroot to some more beefy location on device03:33
DocScrutinizer05check out easidebian03:33
DocScrutinizer05easy* even03:34
Mike11then what is the gcc-4.6 I installed for??03:34
Mike11I thought it was for on-device development!03:34
DocScrutinizer05the recommended way to develop for maemo is on PC in a scratchbox environment03:34
Mike11thanks DocScrutinizer05:03:35
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RiDisn't this the weirdo ^03:35
Mike11does easydebian come with a compiler??03:36
Mike11sorry, I am new to n900 :(03:36
DocScrutinizer05damn, that's some nice mess on maemo.org03:37
DocScrutinizer05 is more like it but it links to nokia.com03:37
Mike11DocScrutinizer05: I am wondering what the gcc-4.6 package is for??!?!03:39
DocScrutinizer05  here you are03:39
DocScrutinizer05somebody seriously should clean up that stuff, even I - while knowing what I looked for - wasn't able to find my way03:40
Mike11do u recommend maemo sdk on the link on
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Mike11DocScrutinizer05: thanks for your help :), that link is really helpful :)03:47
Mike11DocScrutinizer05: Just Missing what the gcc-4.6 package I installed use for??03:48
Mike11DocScrutinizer05: If it can't compile, then what is it used for!!03:48
DocScrutinizer05you for sure *can* compile, you just need to know _how_03:49
Mike11I read that I have to configure gcc to the directory 'as' is located in03:50
DocScrutinizer05I'd rather wonder what for we got an asterisk package. I wouldn't think it's really reasonable idea to run a VoIP server on the N90003:50
Mike11'as' is the assembler that gcc uses03:50
Mike11as I could understand03:51
Mike11they suggested using "whereis" linux command to look for 'as'03:51
Mike11but whereis isn't available on n90003:51
Mike11so how can I locate 'as'??!03:52
Mike11lol haven't seen the asterisk package before, haha :)03:52
DocScrutinizer05you probably shouldn't consider running gcc on N900 until you made more familiar with maemo, maemo SDK, and linux in general03:53
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Mike11Ok, thanks for your help DocScrutinizer05: I will work on that :)03:54
DocScrutinizer05also check out "madde", I don't know if it works, but...03:55
DocScrutinizer05if it works then maybe it's more convenient for maemo beginners than scratchbox03:55
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Maceris there some sort of problem with the omweather auto updating?07:21
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: the more I think, the more I am convinced that Neo900 should use the main camera from N900. The reason being the SW part - I am almost sure we won;t be able to be on par with Nokia image processing algos. Or at least I don;t see who can make that happen in the community14:28
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qwazixfreemangordon, mean swapping the cameras with old cameras from discarded N900's? maybe the camera is the same part as the N95? That could provide more stock14:46
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qwazixfreemangordon, DocScrutinizer05
qwazixit's out of stock but look at how many phones had this same camera, should be easy to find them14:50
qwazixthis one claims to have it in stock14:52
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freemangordonqwazix: no matter if using old or new, I am really concerned about the quality of images/videos if neo900 is using a different module14:56
LjL-Alps_freemangordon, isn't FCam a full replacement for the N900 camera stack? or only part of it?14:57
qwazixthis also:
qwazixI remember the N900 camera sitting directly on the board without flex cable, but the connectors might well be behind that alu part...14:58
freemangordonLjL-Alps_: we have a closed daemon, omapcamd (or something) which does all the image processing14:58
freemangordonNFC if fcam drivers replace that14:59
LjL-Alps_i don't really know either, but in the About it says "a fully open source camera implementation"14:59
freemangordoncould be14:59
freemangordonbut is is still made for n900 camera15:00
freemangordon*it is15:00
LjL-Alps_well sure, but it shows they could make a respectable open source implementation, even with HDR and stuff15:00
freemangordon"could" is not the same as "will"15:01
LjL-Alps_well, i'd personally rather have something fully open that i know i could try improving myself, or that there's no hindrances to improving anyway, over something "working" but that can't be touched... but i guess that's just a small part of the main issue i'd have with the Neo90015:02
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: (sw img algos) absolutely15:18
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* RST38h moos15:20
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: yeah, 60EUR :-S15:20
DocScrutinizer05I *think* I've seen it for ~50EUR too. But that will add almost 100EUR to the end price15:22
DocScrutinizer05since we also need the socket15:23
qwazixI found much cheaper N95 camera modules, I just posted that as a reference to a claim that N95camera == N900 camera15:24
qwazixfor example this ->
RST38hDoc: Anything new and exciting?15:25
DocScrutinizer05 back spine hurts15:26
qwazixdoesn't sound exciting :P15:26
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DocScrutinizer053% storage in repo VM15:28
DocScrutinizer05200 votes on15:29
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hmm? echan?15:29
DocScrutinizer05not really, RST38h asked for new stuff that excites me15:29
qwazixor even
qwazixand I stop spamming the channel15:30
DocScrutinizer05nah, welcome15:30
DocScrutinizer05it's obviously compatible to N95 etc pp according to your 1st post15:30
DocScrutinizer05now THAT is good news15:31
qwazixexcept if that site has it all wrong, which I doubt15:31
qwazixas all specs are the same, sample pics look exactly the same and size is about the same (IIRC)15:31
qwazixthe only difference is the flex cable, which we might be able to just remove15:32
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RST38hDoc: You do recognize that it is a futile affair?15:43
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RST38hAlso, 600 euros for an OMAP3 motherboard with 512MB RAM?15:46
RST38hMay I suggest a shiny brand new Samsung instead? =)15:46
jon_ytruth, it is more than my monthly pay15:46
dos1RST38h: and then 1600 euros? ;]15:47
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RST38hdos1: 1600e for what?15:51
dos1RST38h: for a Neo900 with shiny brand new Samsung chipsets15:52
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RST38hdos1: You can write "Neo900" on the back of that Samsung Galaxy with a market, if you like so16:09
infobotRST38h meant: dos1: You can write "Neo900" on the back of that Samsung Galaxy with a marker, if you like so16:10
dos1RST38h: so you think Samsung Galaxy is an open platform?16:10
RST38hAnd run Ubuntu Mobile or Firefox OS or whatever16:10
RST38hdos1: It is open enough for people to release their own firmware for it16:10
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dos1can I see schematics? can I replace bootloader? can I request additional contact pads from Samsung to make my awesome hardware mod easier?16:11
dos1RST38h: yeah, "own firmware". On top of Android.16:12
RST38hdunno about schematics (but suspect that you will find them in the Exynos datasheet), but yes, you can apparently replace the bootloader16:13
RST38hI think you can also request additional GPIO bits from Samsung, as long as you buy 100000-20000 SoC chips from them16:13
RST38hPretty much the same applied to TI when you buy OMAP3 (used in Neo900)16:14
* RST38h starts suspecting the "open platform" thing is some kind of fetish defined differently by different people16:15
LjL-Alpshow do you find the N900's earphones?16:15
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dos1RST38h: open platform is something where I don't have to break any security in order to do what I want16:16
dos1where you can't loose your warrianty for just playing with software16:17
LjL-AlpsRST38h: just because there is currently no open platform phone, doesn't mean it's so hard to define16:17
dos1where "jailbreaking" does not exist16:17
LjL-Alpsand where the firmware blobs come with source16:17
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dos1and as far as Linux is concerned, where sane kernel is provided16:18
dos1LjL-Alps: I'm a bit more liberal on firmware blobs, as soon as they don't run on main AP and chips that they run on don't have access to main RAM16:18
LjL-Alpswarranty aside, though i think some Samsung Galaxies are about as open as the N900...16:18
LjL-Alpsdos1: even then, if the firmware blob isn't even redistributable, that's a problem16:19
dos1LjL-Alps: oh, yeah, of course redistribution rights is crucial16:19
infobotdos1 meant: LjL-Alps: oh, yeah, of course redaretribution rights is crucial16:19
dos1hah :D16:19
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RST38hLjL: I can define anything, including flying kittens16:20
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RST38hLjL: Not everything I define will exist in practice16:20
dos1does Galaxy phones use Qualcomm modems?16:20
RST38hdos1: Some do, not all though16:20
LjL-Alpsdos1: the latest (S4) maybe, but the ones i'm looking at are the Galaxy Nexus, the Galaxy S2 and Galaxy S3; the former uses OMAP4, the latter two use Exynos 416:21
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LjL-Alpsdos1: they're three phones supported by so you can have a look at their wiki about how open they are/aren't16:21
RiDdos1 infobot failed16:24
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dos1RST38h: GTA02 is completely open platform, I'd like other phones to be on this level16:27
dos1GTA04 has non-free firmware for WiFi, but I can live with that16:27
LjL-Alpsdos1: you can even run an OsmocomBB baseband on GTA02, can't you?16:27
LjL-Alps(not sure how legally)16:27
dos1LjL-Alps: yup (technically, doing it legally is completely different story :P)16:28
dos1if you have your own lab with BTSes and you'll use OsmocomBB to connect only to your own network, then you're fine16:29
dos1but I think you'd still need permission to set up such lab :P16:29
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XATRIXHi guys, i've got troubles during update16:29
XATRIXThere's a midnight commander update, my handset wants to install to16:30
LjL-Alpsdos1: i recently learned that WiMax would have been much opener than LTE :(16:30
RST38hdos1: GTA02 is based on an OMAP chip from TI. Good luck changing any part of its design :)16:32
RST38hdos1: Moreover, that OMAP chip contains PowerVR IP from Imagetech. Try getting documentation on that IP :)16:33
RST38hdos1: So, every time you say "completely open platform" to someone, do carefully check how much that person knows.16:33
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dos1RST38h: uhm... noone is talking about changing design of SoC itself16:37
RST38hDind't someone ask for new contact pads just now?16:37
dos1RST38h: GTA02 is based on Samsung S3C244216:37
RST38hAnd not having any information on PowerVR basically prohbitsyou from having any open sourced 3D driver16:38
RST38hdos1: And that obviously makes it more open?:)16:38
dos1RST38h: not "more open", but it is open16:39
LjL-Alpsthe 3D driver thing is annoyin16:39
dos1developing free CPU design is definitely out of Openmoko/OpenPhoenux/Neo900 scope16:40
dos1but using CPU that's free to use in any way you like is requirement for those projects16:40
LjL-Alpsshould use FPGA :P16:40
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: Hi, i've got some problem, can you assist ? If i run apt-get upgrade, it says i have several packages to upgrade (yea yea, i'm not going to run apt-get) , if i run Hildon app manager it says i need to upgrade only 'mc'16:40
dos1closed GPU may be there, as long as you're not required to use closed drivers just to be able to use the phone16:41
dos1GTA04 works perfectly fine without acceleration16:41
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: apt-get upgrade is *DEPRECATED*16:41
LjL-Alpsyeah but modern OS's do kind of all use acceleration16:42
DocScrutinizer05and that's exactly why16:42
dos1LjL-Alps: enlightenment works well without it, and when configured properly can provide pretty nice user experience16:43
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dos1LjL-Alps: but yes, for running Fremantle you'll need closed GPU driver, just like on N90016:43
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LjL-Alpsdos1: well, for Mali400, there is an open GPU driver in development... which i understand already does some real 3D stuff16:44
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dos1LjL-Alps: then it might be good to think about using it for next project16:45
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dos1but I'm not good person to discuss this kind of stuff :) I barely know anything about all those chipsets16:48
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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: i tried to upgrade my 'mc' using FAM and got the following in it's log
DocScrutinizer05I won't check fapman logs16:51
DocScrutinizer05fapman is... you guessed it16:51
XATRIXhow shoud i paste HAM logs ?16:53
XATRIXwhere can i get it ?16:53
XATRIXHAM says the same crap, it can't install upgrade for16:53
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qwazixXATRIX, there's log in HAM too, check the menu17:07
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: we need logs, then we check if sth is wronf with repo. Might be some dependency missing (e.g. known problem with BM)17:39
XATRIXI'm trying17:39
XATRIXwhere the log files for HAM are ?17:40
freemangordonXATRIX: mc was missing a dependency17:40
freemangordonit is (should be) in the repo now17:40
freemangordonXATRIX: try to install it now, don;t forget to refresh first17:41
freemangordonPali: you didn;t vote for KP :P17:46
Palistill missing more then 1 vote :-)17:46
Paliand all KP packages must be promoted at same time17:46
freemangordonnoone wants to vote for KP ?!?17:46
freemangordonPali: promotion does't wotk like that ;)17:47
Paliwait, I will vote :-)17:47
freemangordonwhen you promote a package, all the dependencies are auto-promoted too17:47
freemangordonor was it all the packages with the same source17:48
freemangordonor both17:48
freemangordonPali: if noone is interested in KP, I guess we can just stop maintainig it :P17:49
Paliso far only flasher has enough votes17:50
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freemangordonnow bootimg has too17:50
freemangordonhmm, I am not a maintainer of bootimg? O.o17:50
Palimodules 4 votes missing and kernel-power only one17:51
freemangordonPali: those will get auto-promoted to extras if you promote bootimg17:51
freemangordonas it depends on them17:51
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Paliso, I can try to promote bootimg now?17:51
freemangordonit depends on kernel-power-modules, which depends on kernel-power17:52
Palipackage bootimg promoted17:52
Paliso we will see what happen :-)17:52
freemangordonint about 20-30 minutes17:52
freemangordonPali: any hint how to debug the problem I have with my BT HF and device volume?17:55
Paliwhich problem?17:55
freemangordonavary time I have a phone call, the volume drops to 0. Not HF volume, but device volume17:55
freemangordonI told you about that a couple of months ago17:56
Palican you try if this problem is also on clean PR1.3.1 (without CSSU?)17:56
freemangordonPali: I reverted the policy package to stock, didn;t help17:57
Palinow I see similar problem (do not know if is is PA/maemo or device) that volume is at min17:57
Paliand I need to up17:57
Palibut only sometimes...17:57
freemangordonthis is my problem :)17:57
Palialso in HFP mode (where is MIC support), volume is shared via bluetooth and device can mute or change pulseaudio/alsa volume17:58
Paliin A2DP mode (without microphone), device has own volume level and n900 pa/alsa own17:59
freemangordonhmm, can't we disable that?17:59
freemangordonHF controling n900 volume that is18:00
Paliand now when I using my headset also with notebook, maybe notebook can mute it and when I connect it again to n900 it share volume and show muted18:00
Pali"sharing" this volume level is by HFP profile design...18:00
freemangordonPali: maybe my HF mutes n900 on incomming call, but doesn;t unmute it back after call ended18:00
Paliand I looked into PA it is not easy to remove it (or insert another volume filter)18:01
freemangordonor we have a bug preventing unmutting to happen18:01
Palin900/pa/policy somehow switching between A2DP and HFP modes based on active call18:01
Paliand both modes has own volume level settings18:01
Paliplus there are tons of PA/alsa/dres/policy/prolog code18:02
Paliand it is impossible to detect where can be problem...18:02
freemangordonPali: oh, nothing is impossible, just give me some hint how to turn some logs on18:03
freemangordonthis bug drives me mad18:03
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Palifreemangordon: you can try: use headset only with n900 and set correct volume level on headset and also in hildon status menu18:03
Paliin both silent/normal profiles18:03
Paliand also when call is active/inactive18:03
Paliand do it in all possible combination18:03
freemangordonok, will try18:04
PaliI think that I solved my problem (maybe!) with above18:04
PaliI will see that happen in next call :-)18:04
Paliat least I saw that switching between normal and silent profile mute sound output when headset was connected and reconnected...18:05
freemangordonyeah, the same happened here18:06
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freemangordonbut it happens the same in normal profile :(18:06
freemangordonvolume is set to min on every connect/disconnect18:07
XATRIXfreemangordon: updated catalogs, and tried to update 'mc' again18:07
XATRIXbut still no go18:07
PaliI think that there can be problem in bluez which can send some funny commands (or receive from) bluetooth device18:08
Paliand maybe new version of bluez has better support for these funny...18:08
xesPali: while playing with the sdr i tried many times the usbmode switch applet... but i have to say that most of times it doesn't work remaining "in progress" forever18:09
XATRIXDoc told me not to use apt-get18:10
freemangordonPali: do you remember how to turn bluez logging on?18:10
Palino :-(18:10
freemangordonXATRIX: I am not saying you should use apt-get18:10
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freemangordonthe point is that it installs just fine, make sure you did a "refresh"18:10
freemangordonAug 31 18:14:57 Nokia-N900 pulseaudio[992]: module-rescue-streams.c: Failed to move sink input 70 "output of sink.voice.raw" to
freemangordonwhatever that means18:15
Palifreemangordon: try to downgrade bluez and pa to pr1.3.1 version18:16
freemangordonAug 31 18:15:19 Nokia-N900 bluetoothd[1208]: Badly formated or unrecognized command: AT+XAPL=0A5C-0064-00DE,718:16
freemangordonAug 31 18:15:19 Nokia-N900 bluetoothd[1208]: Badly formated or unrecognized command: AT+XEVENT=USER-AGENT,COM.PLANTRONICS,PLT_M25-M29,,222.233,FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF18:16
freemangordonhmm, my bluez is stock afaik18:16
Palithese are that funny commands :D18:16
freemangordonyeah :)18:16
freemangordonii  bluez                                               4.60-0maemo1.6+0m5                         Bluetooth tools and daemons18:17
Siceloso freemangordon, i'm on CSSU-S. if i follow the 'manual' method to fix SUPL issues, is it going to be 'easy' to revert them to original, so that i can upgrade once your patch is available on CSSU-S too?18:17
freemangordonPali: could the problem be in that additional PA bluez module?18:17
freemangordonSicelo: better install from cssu-devel18:18
freemangordonSicelo: otherwise you risk brocen certificates store18:18
Paliis there some additional PA bluez module?18:18
freemangordonPali: in cssu18:18
Sicelofrom CSSU-D into CSSU-S? or wait until CSSU-S has fix?18:18
Paliyes, there is something, so I suggested to downgrade pa and bluez :-)18:19
freemangordonSicelo: up to you, but my idea was - enable cssu-devel, install certman packages, disable cssu-devel18:19
freemangordonPali: I guess I can just remove that module18:19
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freemangordongitorious got FUBAR :(18:20
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XATRIXfreemangordon: what is the repository of your mc ?18:38
XATRIXLooks like i have no your repo installed18:38
XATRIXsounds if i have only 'extras , community, fremantle'18:39
freemangordonXATRIX: extras-devel :)18:39
Sicelofreemangordon: hmm, no luck for me..
DocScrutinizer05same instructions apply:  "enable cssu-devel, install certman packages, disable cssu-devel", just replace cssu-devel by extras-devel, and certman by mc ;-)18:46 ?? wtf?18:47
Siceloexactly.. don't know where that comes from.18:48
Sicelobut 655:01 is my provider.18:48
DocScrutinizer05that's pretty weird18:49
Sicelohowever, i'm connected via wifi18:49
infoboti guess rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or
Siceloi did think of that.. and the other one.. ACWP; is it?18:49
freemangordonSicelo: did you reboot?18:50
Sicelohere you can see that the 'updated' certman stuff is on:
Siceloyes freemangordon, twice now18:50
freemangordonSicelo: maemosec-certman-common-ca                          0.2.218:50
freemangordonmaemosec-certman-tools                              0.2.318:51
freemangordonyou should upgrade maemosec-certman-common-ca too18:51
DocScrutinizer05now if every bug was that easy to fix ;-)18:52
Sicelook. so if i was to do this via dpkg, how many pkgs do i need? 3, 4!18:52
freemangordonSicelo: I'd bet on 318:52
Sicelohmm, guess 4 :P because 3 updated last time :P18:53
DocScrutinizer05still wtf about that
Sicelook. let's see what happens now18:53
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: this is MNO supl server18:53
DocScrutinizer05afk, bbl18:53
freemangordonSicelo: which 3 got updatted?18:54
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Siceloall those on 0.2.3, ie libmaemosec-certman, libmaemosec, and maemosec-certman-tools18:57
Sicelorebooting now18:57
freemangordonok. 4 then :)18:57
Sicelook. now it's working. thanks19:01
Siceloand now there's no lookup for that
* Sicelo has never cared for gps until recently (due to obtaining a car)19:03
Siceloanyway, one thing for sure, N900 GPS is NOT in any way inferior to what is on other devices out there, especially when both devices don't have access to A-GPS19:06
Sicelomonths of using plain gps prove it :)19:12
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teotwakiI feel dirty20:26
teotwakiI wrote a script which pulls a package from easy_install and makes an RPM out of it.20:27
teotwakiShortest .spec file I ever wrote.20:27
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kerioteotwaki: you mean pypi?20:34
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: ack21:27
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marsjeI have a weird problem with my N9: at my parents' house I don't see the wifi netwerk anymore21:39
marsjeall other devices in the house have no problems21:40
warfaremarsje: a reboot can help.21:40
marsjebut when I scan for networks, I see all of the networks in the street, except this one I need21:40
marsjewarfare: both router and phone have been rebooted multiple times21:40
marsjeit's like the network is on some blacklist21:40
Sicelo-> #harmattan, i guess.21:41
warfaremarsje: hrhm.21:42
Sicelothat network isn't using SSID-hiding ?21:42
marsjeSicelo: nope, it broadcasts the SSID and other (android) devices see the network just fine21:42
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, see /topic22:07
LjL-Alpshow do i see /topic? is there a command?22:09
* LjL-Alps hides22:09
DocScrutinizer05try ^^^ this!22:09
DocScrutinizer05if your IRC client is of the crippled kind that doesn't show channel topics without your explicit interaction22:10
LjL-AlpsDocScrutinizer05, i'm using irssi, which is part one way, and part the other (shows only a part of a longer-than-one-line topic), but... i hate it22:10
LjL-AlpsIRC isn't meant to be command-line anyway22:11
LjL-Alpserr, by command-line i mean textmode22:11
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LjL-AlpsIRC is *so* suited to a GUI approach22:11
DocScrutinizer05that's why I use IRC clinets ;-)22:11
DocScrutinizer05clients even22:11
DocScrutinizer05I don't actually call IRSII an IRC client22:12
LjL-Alpswell maybe that's a bit rad :P22:12
DocScrutinizer05it's an IRC tool ;-)22:12
LjL-Alpsi normally use Konversation anyway22:12
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DocScrutinizer05same here22:12
LjL-Alpswhich is slow as hell and locks up and isn't even scriptable, but it's what i use22:12
DocScrutinizer05slow? no. Locks? no. Not scriptable? well, mostly22:13
DocScrutinizer05which sucks22:13
SiceloLjL-Alps: youy use 800x600 resolution?22:13
DocScrutinizer05I still managed to "script" relogon to avoid nick changes22:13
LjL-AlpsDocScrutinizer05: yeah well i should try killing its settings or something, as other people too have told me it's not really slow or freezing for them. but maybe they don't tend to keep about 100 channels open (among which the ones for the major distros) either ;(22:14
LjL-AlpsSicelo: err no why22:14
DocScrutinizer05well, only ~40 here22:14
DocScrutinizer05admittedly incl queries22:14
LjL-AlpsDocScrutinizer05: i dunno. for instance when i ctrl+f on any window that has a long-ish scrollback, that's slower than a person can bear. about 5 seconds per letter typed22:15
DocScrutinizer05and yeah, it tends to become a RAM hog after some weeks of uptime, and that *might* cause lags when you run into swap hell22:15
DocScrutinizer05swap mhell, I'd bet22:16
LjL-Alpsoh it's not that, i reboot my computer daily22:16
LjL-Alps(and have 8GB of RAM)22:16
DocScrutinizer05then I dunno22:16
LjL-Alpswell i should investigate it once i get back home. been like this for years22:16
DocScrutinizer05I have max setting for scrollback, and ctrl-f is instant22:17
LjL-Alpsi'm one of those people who seemingly prefers to have 1 unit of annoyance every day for 10 years, than 10 units of annoyance, once.22:17
LjL-Alps(meaning the 10 units it takes to actually investigate a problem/nuisance)22:17
LjL-Alpslike, at some point someone convinced me to add a "bouncing ball" widget to KDE to confirm it was bugged and wasn't removable22:18
LjL-Alpswell, i've never removed this22:18
LjL-Alpsthis happened about 1.5 years ago...22:18
LjL-Alps have a red bouncing ball distracting me on the screen since22:19
DocScrutinizer05I know this problem all too well22:19
DocScrutinizer05but honestly, konversation 1.4 on KDE4.8.5 just behaves22:20
DocScrutinizer05it's a bit braindamaged but otherwise just works22:20
DocScrutinizer05maybe you have that akonadi or nepomuk shit running, then I'd understand that everything comes to a grinding halt22:21
LjL-Alpsi don't think it's too braindamaged actually... it manages to do mostly all i want neatly, *even though* it isn't scriptable. i think it shows the people who wrote it were actually using it22:22
DocScrutinizer05it mist likely indexes every char you type, to a mysql db for faster searching, while you type it22:22
LjL-Alpsoh i have some tracker like that or other annoying me, but i just killall it as needed ;(22:22
DocScrutinizer05most, even22:22
DocScrutinizer05what bugs me with konversation is the missing search in userlist22:23
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DocScrutinizer05and the weird notification lobotomy22:24
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DocScrutinizer05and the fact that you don't have a per-channel hide of join/part/nick22:25
DocScrutinizer05only global one22:25
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DocScrutinizer05xchat is much better in that regard22:26
DocScrutinizer05but I didn't manage to give xchat on PC a thorough test22:27
DocScrutinizer05poor KDE integration22:27
LjL-Alpshmm yeah i'm kind of partial to... not even KDE really - just, if i'm using KDE, then i'd like to use KDE programs on it. if i were using GNOME, i'd probably like to use GNOME programs on it.22:27
LjL-Alpsotherwise i might as well run mIRC on WINE or something ;(22:28
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NeutrinoPowerhi, how can I use irda to simply transfer text from Thinkpad T41 to N900?22:47
nox-i dont think n900 supports irda...  try usb or wifi22:48
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LjL-Alpsyeah i believe the N900 only has Consumer IR (i.e. it transmits only, can't receive, so can't implement IRDA)22:50
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XATRIXHi, i've enabled extras-devel and currently i have 'Maemo 5 Community SSU Package' update available22:51
XATRIXWhen i click update it22:51
XATRIXI receive something like, "If you want to update this version you have to connect your phone to PC and rn Nokia PC Suite"22:52
dos1XATRIX: you have some dependency problem22:53
dos1could you check logs?22:53
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XATRIXwhich one ?23:27
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