IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2013-08-27

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raccoon_anyone has a rough approx on how much faster you'll drain your battery when overclocking?00:07
raccoon_is it crazy to assume a linear factor equal to the frequency increase? :-P00:07
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RiDyep its crazy00:12
RiDbecause of the voltages00:12
RiDsure the battery will drain quicker, but keep in mind the n900 does not stay at the maximum frequency all time00:12
RiDf.e. background music it can stay at 250mhz00:12
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raccoon_RiD: roger that00:42
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RiDhi, what's an acceptable price for an used, screen scratch-free n900, with everything working?03:08
RiDo_o you serious?03:09
GeneralAntillesGo see what they're selling for on eBay03:09
GeneralAntillesI have no idea.03:09
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RiDim looking at local deals03:09
RiD"local" as in Portugal03:10
RiDfound one for 70€ (euros), negotiable03:11
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Win7Macplease visit share your thoughts regarding the move of HiFo and help translate GER>EN03:34
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LjL-Alpsuh, just learned about SHR. well, what can be learned without installing it that is. how many other free OS's for my N900 (and a prospective Galaxy Nexus) am i missing, i wonder? O.o03:45
RiDthat's new for me03:45
LjL-AlpsRiD: probably related to OpenMoko, OpenEmbedded, Qtopia, Familiar, stuff like that, but i'm confused at the moment03:47
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kwtmI agree04:20
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* psycho_oreos drops a pin on the ground.13:01
psycho_oreos~seen freemangordon13:03
infobotfreemangordon <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14h 13m 27s ago, saying: 'RiD: it is the lack of RAM that makes it slow ;)'.13:03
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n900-dkSociality (facebook app) working for anyone?13:22
psycho_oreosI personally don't use it, so I wouldn't know.13:29
lexikjust kiddie question: what is the problem with 1GB RAM on GTA04? 512 is better than 256 on n900, but it is not much.. after 2 years Neo900 will be "old"... as N900 today.13:30
lexikWizzup: still opped? :D13:30
Wizzupseems like it13:32
Wizzuplexik: I would also pay for a bit more ram13:32
psycho_oreosI guess some people ask too much for what they're willing to pay. Making their dollar stretch further (or Euro for that matter)13:32
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psycho_oreosThe real idea I suppose is to code memory efficient programs rather than making the whole situation MS-like.13:34
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psycho_oreosPeople will always ask more and then they would be demanding the device to also emulate <insert_some_other_hardware_here>.13:35
* psycho_oreos looks at this PSP game emulator thread.13:36
Wizzuppsycho_oreos: well, if it is enough for fennec then I'm ok with it13:36
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lexik512 is lowend today... what about after 1? 2? 3 years?13:37
psycho_oreosWizzup, imo the way fennec is headed.. its hardly any different to MS.13:37
lexiki dont want to buy every year new version of GTA0* :D13:38
psycho_oreosfennec was a lot faster at boot during beta days. As version increases, so did the boot time.13:38
Wizzuppsycho_oreos: I felt it got faster13:39
Wizzupbut it is still unusable13:39
WizzupI just hope for a non-webkit browser :)13:39
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psycho_oreosBuy it and be happy. Afterall we are talking about embedded devices, not laptops or desktops (with the like of user-upgradeable parts)13:40
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psycho_oreosWizzup: you referring to the thumb version of fennec?13:41
Wizzupoh, I am happy even with less ram ;-)13:41
WizzupI just think it's a valid question and worth considering - if it hasn't been considered before13:41
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psycho_oreosI'd be happy if GTA-04 would have identical hardware specs as N900 but more of those extra components and maybe even speed upgrade. Ultimately, I like the project to head onto something like Neo950 (using e7 as base). I really personally like the design aesthetics of e7/N950 over N900.13:44
psycho_oreosonce of course is if Neo900 turns out to be a hit.13:45
lexikI was just asking what is the problem... 512 is lowend today.. and with Cortex A8? for $700? eh?.. i also want to use replicant on it.. and my neural network project also needs more performance13:46
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psycho_oreosLast I checked with openmoko stuff, they only had dual/tri-band? N900 is quadband iinm.13:47
psycho_oreosI think people didn't like how N900 was "swap-tastic" :) Besides, performance comes as a price if running memory intensive tasks, multitasking or leaving device on for several days.13:49
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psycho_oreosI sorta hate to mention this but on the other side of fence, android devices seems to not get a massive hit on performance over several days worth of uptime. Whereas on N900 the device starts to get sluggish after a few days of uptime. At least for me the case is like that.13:52
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psycho_oreosI guess its also a case of YMMV as well.13:53
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* psycho_oreos wonders if its a good idea to suggest Pali to start applying things like bfs kernel patches. Maybe the end result is neglegible.13:58
Hurrianpsycho_oreos: reload swaps, make a big ramdisk to push stuff out of memory14:01
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psycho_oreosHurrian, I can see how the first portion would work (in fact there's a program for that, provided if setup correctly). ramdisk requires so editing to kernel bootup iinm, also not sure how is that even beneficial to force programs to swap.14:04
Hurrianpsycho_oreos: the idea is to unload libraries and binaries cached in RAM14:05
Hurriansystem UI things will get reloaded into RAM once you start using it14:05
Hurrianjust make a large ramdisk, dd a big file to it, when that fils up, unload the ramdisk.14:06
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psycho_oreosHurrian, size of ramdisk needs to be specified iinm at boot. Plus making a big ramdisk (something like 256M), gets stuff pushed into swap?. Hmm maybe no.14:08
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psycho_oreosJust looked at optimizen900 it also kills systemui (along with others) in a bid to refresh N900.14:13
psycho_oreosThe only thing I guess missing from that idea is to flopswap.14:13
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ShadowJKTry run it several times quickly after eachother ;-)14:15
psycho_oreospffftt... hah!14:17
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psycho_oreosWhy not make a nice while loop at it :p14:17
psycho_oreoss/at/whilst at/14:18
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: Why not make a nice while loop whilst at it :p14:18
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Wizzupphryk: I've often had my n900 on for weeks14:26
Wizzupah, sorry, I meant psycho_oreos14:26
Wizzuppsycho_oreos: without any real noticable slowdowns14:26
WizzupHurrian: why not swapoff and swapon?14:26
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psycho_oreosWizzup, what about 7 days of uptime, a few microB session (on *, omp and getting a phone call? :)14:29
Wizzuppsycho_oreos: I usually never shut down my n90014:30
WizzupI charge it at night, while its on14:30
WizzupI use it extensively during the day14:30
Wizzupcan go on like that for months14:30
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psycho_oreosWizzup, no issues with incoming phone calls? I couldn't hang up an incoming call. Took a fair few seconds for the device to even pickup my finger pressing on the screen.14:33
Wizzupphryk: no, not really14:33
Wizzupoh man :)14:33
Wizzupanyway, you get the point14:34
WizzupMaybe try a reflash at some point? You probably have some buggy program running14:34
psycho_oreosYeah, I recall you did a reflash sometime ago. I won't be able to do that anytime soon (until PC gets fixed *rolls eyes*)14:35
psycho_oreosThat plus the joy with all the custom made stuff go missing.14:37
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* psycho_oreos muses the thought of using two N900 to perform flashing. One with usbmode set to host and running flasher, the other is just set to flashing mode.14:43
Wizzuppsycho_oreos: yes, but I *had* to reflash :)14:43
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psycho_oreosWizzup, yeah. That would've been fun :P lol14:48
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dos1lexik: about Neo900 RAM:
dos1LjL-Alps: anything you want to ask about SHR? ;)14:53
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LjL-Alpsdos1: yes, is this a better place? i am connecting from a capped 3G connection, so usually i would just go and download whatever it takes, but i have to spare my bandwidth. so... does it work alright on the N900? any off-limit hardware? what's the "Aurora" image, which is much smaller than the other one?14:54
LjL-Alpsalso, i might be getting a Galaxy Nexus later - does it work well on that one? it isn't even listed on the wiki, but there's images to download14:55
dos1#openmoko-cdevel is where SHR devs mainly are14:55
dos1it should work on N900, but expect some glitches and non full hardware integration14:56
dos1we were very enthusiastic about N900 port some time ago, but we lacked manpower to do modem integration and power management properly14:57
lexikdosl: thanks... im not happy from it :-/ what about swap on superfast micro-SD?14:57
LjL-Alpsah :\14:57
dos1LjL-Alps: but it should work somehow, might be worth trying just for the sake of playing with it14:58
LjL-Alpsdos1: certainly worth it, but maybe i can wait until i have normal connectivity again. the Aurora thing is just 35MB though, so i could get that... not sure if it's the same thing with less built-in programs, or an actually different UI, though14:59
dos1I was the first man on earth with SHR running (well... big word - "booting" is better ;)) on N900... good times :D14:59
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dos1LjL-Alps: Aurora is different15:00
dos1lexik: should be possible, but SDs are easy to wear off in this way15:00
LjL-Alpsdos1: oh i get it now, i missed a part on the wiki where it says Aurora is something that "emulates a non-smartphone"15:01
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dos1LjL-Alps: and about Galaxy Nexus - I have no idea. You might want to ask JaMa on #openmoko-cdevel, I think that's him who was playing with those images15:05
LjL-Alpsdos1: ok, thanks15:06
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lexikdosl: okay, now im happy again :).. if i will one day own Neo900 i will for sure buy some fast SD (last time when i was looking there was SDs with 90Mega read/write) and i will use it as swap15:07
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* psycho_oreos wonders will speed then be an issue (on the N900 bus that is).15:10
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ShadowJKSDs are pretty hard to wear out.15:16
ShadowJKAnd sequential speeds bear little relation to what speed it'll reach when swapping :)15:17
psycho_oreosI don't know how long microSD last if they were to be used as swaps. Though you can hear people are avoiding swaps on SSD, of course the case here is different compared to embedded hardware.15:24
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ShadowJKMine have lasted long enough to become obsolete.15:30
ShadowJKI guess I've had 2 or 3 different since 200915:33
ShadowJK8g, 16g, etc15:33
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psycho_oreos*shrugs* dunno if this would be related but I have had issues with my Class 10 microSDHC. I ended up with major FS corruption.15:37
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psycho_oreosHopefully, once I can get my PC up and more scratch space. I'll try and "scalp" some data out.15:39
ShadowJKSome of them have very high latency15:40
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ShadowJKand time out15:40
* psycho_oreos imagines one would need to tweak the rootdelay= kernel arg.15:41
ShadowJK... especially as maemo kernel boots up without sd or emmc drivers loaded15:41
ShadowJKAll first generation class 10 cards are like that really, take seconds to respond to non-sequential writes... benchmarks 4 times slower than a 2009 Sandisk class 2 card.15:42
lexikdosl: correct me if im wrong: we are --expecting-- that Neo900 will have 1GHz clocked Cortex A8 and 512mega of RAM, but the RAM size --can-- be bigger, if we were lucky15:45
lexikThe internal storage will be 1GB (hmpf.. 32Giga MyDocs on N900, byyee) + microSD15:47
lexikMaybe is an good idea to create Wiki page for that and write there some info about specs to avoid questions like theese :D15:49
dos1lexik: internal storage is not settled yet at all15:50
dos1lexik: it might be 1GB NAND + 32GB eMMC + microSD15:50
lexikthat sounds good15:50
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dos1let's wait until Joerg and Nikolaus sit together and find out what's realistic and what's not15:51
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lexikBy the way, what is the status of "community funded" n900 for experiments? i saw that one user on tmo is offering us his one. Also i saw some irc logs saying something about that it will be bought via the Hildon Found. PP account15:54
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RiDis the battery full, with that indicator?16:08
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Wizzup`seems like Wizzup's connection died16:41
totalizatorI've bought a cheap usb charging cable for N800 and it never stops charging (even when switched off); is this ok?16:43
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Wizzup`DocScrutinizer51: this Wizzup` connection should be more stable ;-)16:46
Wizzup`the wizzup op timed out16:47
DocScrutinizer05I'm back16:47
Wizzup`even better16:47
Wizzup`now I don't need to watch the channel closely16:47
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Wizzup`welcome ^^16:47
DocScrutinizer05reminds me to claim GC for #maemo16:48
* DocScrutinizer05 is terribly disorganized atm16:48
DocScrutinizer05too much on my table, not only maemo-related16:49
lexikDocScrutinizer05: did you PM that guy which is offering us his n900 in thread?16:49
DocScrutinizer05he asked when he might get it back16:49
lexikmaybe never, maybe after few months little augmented16:50
DocScrutinizer05hardly augmented16:50
* Wizzup` has three n900s, one with a broken usb16:50
DocScrutinizer05rather as a kit ;-P16:50
lexikbut he has a chance to get Neo900 for free :D16:51
DocScrutinizer05also hardly16:51
DocScrutinizer05those boards initially cost *us* >>1000EUR to produce16:51
DocScrutinizer05usually there are 2 or 3 of them16:52
DocScrutinizer05they get shipped around from one devel to the next one, for a few days to do some specific tests. we don't have give-aways to hand out16:53
DocScrutinizer05as much as we'd like to do that, we can't afford16:53
DocScrutinizer05actually it's unclear how we can afford the proto-boards _we_ need to do16:55
DocScrutinizer05we may need a kickstarter of raising funds for those16:55
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infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: we may need a kickstarter or raising funds for those16:55
lexikhm.. so? Are we going to buy N900 from HF PP?16:56
lexikHildon Foundation PayPal16:57
lexik :)16:57
DocScrutinizer05seems this one post raises 3 questions at my side16:57
Wizzup`I do not mind donating some money to buy a n900...16:57
DocScrutinizer05aaah, well. I think I will send Nikolaus one of my N900, and I fill up my shelf with a new one paid from the donations that are on my auxiliary "HF"-donation PP16:58
DocScrutinizer05I just need to check if I got enough money not dedicated to infra mantenance by donors16:59
DocScrutinizer05or I start a new fundraiser dedicated to Neo90016:59
* DocScrutinizer05 needs mar coffee17:00
lexik^^ +117:00
* DocScrutinizer05 desperately tries to recall why he seemingly got a full narcosis yesterday. At least head feels like that17:01
lexikI'm going to make cssu-similar cube dedicated to fundraiser dedicated to Neo90017:01
lexikcall it how you want17:02
lexikcssu banner on tmo17:02
DocScrutinizer05you lost me17:02
DocScrutinizer05well, notions towards banners are very ambivalent17:02
DocScrutinizer05seems a lot of people hate them17:03
* DocScrutinizer05 has no particular notion regarding this banner topic17:03
lexikalso we need some graphical materials for kickstarter17:04
DocScrutinizer05anyway chem|st is on holiday?17:04
lexikand some stupid-Horst-Fux-text17:04
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lexikDocScrutinizer05: how much money are you expecting from kickstarter? $200? $20000 ?17:06
DocScrutinizer05for Neo900 development kickoff? dunno, Nikolaus is the expert who has paid the bills of GTA04 development. I guess some 5k to 10k17:07
DocScrutinizer05for the initial 2 or three runs of prottypes17:07
ApicThere ought to be a N900-Successor?17:07
DocScrutinizer05Apic: you honestly missed ?17:08
DocScrutinizer05dang, dos1 beat me to it. Moinmoin dos1 :-)17:08
ApicWay cool!17:08
DocScrutinizer05dos1: many thanks for your awesome help, I guess without it I already had pulled the plug from my PC17:09
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lexik10k.. thats possible.. but i dont know.. isn't indiegogo better for that purpose? (why canonical choose it for Ubuntu Edge?)17:10
dos1DocScrutinizer05: moin :)17:11
jon_ykickstarter for a phone?17:11
jon_yI doubt it is going to work unless you set a few millions :(17:11
dos1no problem, I really, really want to make it happen :D17:11
dos1jon_y: it already worked without kickstarter -> see GTA0417:12
jon_ylink pls :)17:12
dos1jon_y: now some donations would be needed just to be able to pay for prototypes17:12
RiDWizzup` broken usb.. ugh me hates17:12
dos1jon_y: see tmo link few messages above17:12
infobothmm... neo900 is at
jon_yso do I need to go all the way to another continent to buy one?17:14
lexik:) :) :) :)17:14
Apic=) =) =)17:14
lexiksmilies spammers?17:14
dos1jon_y: what? no17:14
jon_yegads, the casing is ugly :(17:14
jon_yI'd take the one without the case thanks17:14
lexik?! :DD17:15
dos1jon_y: Neo900 project aims to adapt GTA04 board to upgrade it a bit, add missing peripherals and use N900 case17:15
jon_ydude, seriously, whats with all the wonky curves at the bottom17:15
jon_yit looks like a shrunken PSP17:15
RiDgreat idea17:16
lexikN900 or Neo Freerunner?17:16
RiDput your n900 inside a psp17:16
dos1>wonky curves at the bottom17:16
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo 9 is <reply>see neo90017:16
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0517:16
infobotmethinks neo900 is at
RiDPSP Go is sort of similar!17:16
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dos1so I guess Neo Freerunner17:16
dos1you either love or hate that case ;)17:17
jon_ywhat no hardkeyboard17:17
jon_yI guess the rs232 can make up for it17:17
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dos1jon_y: we're discussing here Neo900, you're talking about GTA04 as it is now17:17
dos1Neo900 will have hw keyboard, cause N900 does17:18
jon_yyeah, I was looking at the GTA0417:18
jon_ypromise me you'll ditch the ugly case :)17:18
lexikand Neo900 is GTA04 BOARD in N900 CASE17:18
dos1GTA04 was made as a replacement mainboard for Neo Freerunner17:18
dos1so it uses Freerunner's case17:18
dos1Neo900 aims to adapt GTA04 to use N900 case instead17:19
jon_yno wonder it didn't do well17:19
RiDi got GTA 417:19
* RiD runs17:19
dos1RiD: ;)17:19
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jon_yso how are you suppose to get the Neo900 anyway?17:20
dos1jon_y: it's in early planing stage, the idea came out just few days ago17:20
jon_ywhy not reappropriate the N-series from Nokia to spite them? :)17:20
jon_yNokia doesn't own the letter N yet17:21
jon_ysure, NX17:21
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jon_yor N900017:21
jon_yN900v2 for extra spite17:22
RiDwait, i got the perfect one. N900⁰⁰€17:23
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jon_yhmm, I'm not understanding what the symbols mean17:23
jon_ysome Euro signs?17:23
lexikstop it. It is Neo900. The End.17:24
jon_ysure, how do I smuggle these over international borders?17:24
jon_ytax rate is insane here17:24
jon_yup to 100% for "sample" units17:25
lexikNo. Neo is da best.17:25
jon_yI need to fly over to another continent to get it, probably :(17:25
lexikTo get what?17:26
lexikNeo900 is now just a thread+idea17:26
jon_yif the Neo900 does get released17:26
lexikwhere are you from17:26
jon_ySouth East Asia17:26
RiDwe need a female n90017:27
jon_yI am already having a hard time finding anything that isn't LG, Samsung or Apple17:27
jon_yso far I have only seen 2 other N900 in the wild17:28
jon_yno one has heard of it17:28
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DocScrutinizer05(([2013-08-27 16:20:48] <dos1> jon_y: it's in early planing stage, the idea came out just few days ago)) actually Ihad that idea for several months, but I finally did the "public kickoff" 2 days ago17:43
dos1yeah, so it "came out" to the public ;)17:43
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Wizzup`so have there been attempts of porting maemo to an existing, say, android device?17:44
Wizzup`it would be interesting to see if it could be running on the droid series for example17:45
dos1droid phones are pretty much locked up17:46
Wizzup`ah, ok17:46
dos1and it's harder to port to andoid phones anyway17:46
Wizzup`yes, but I think mer runs on some, or was that only the tablet?17:46
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DocScrutinizer05Wizzup`: see
Wizzup`I see17:51
DocScrutinizer05it's not insane idea to port fremantle to a new hw platform. It's difficult to make *all* peripherals work, particularly modem. It's probably futile to try and make GPS "as we know it2 work on any new platform, since GPS is hooked up to BB5 modem on N90017:51
Wizzup`yes, I understand some core components might not work17:51
Wizzup`I was mostly thinking of the general env - not so much gsm stack etc17:52
DocScrutinizer05on GTA04-n900 aka Neo900 we are free to adapt hw to some degree so we make it easier to adapt sw/kernel to that hardware17:52
Wizzup`we are getting a new kernel on it right?17:52
Wizzup`what is the gpu on it?17:53
DocScrutinizer05yep, we need a "new" kernel to catch up all the little hw differences between N900 and Neo90017:53
DocScrutinizer05GPU is in SoC, so identical17:53
DocScrutinizer05unless we go for OMAP417:53
DocScrutinizer05(which we won't do, for exactly that reason, among others)17:54
Wizzup`so powervr17:54
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DocScrutinizer05we got a ex-Nokia kernel developer already as volunteer who's willing to help on porting the fremantle kernel to new platform18:00
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DocScrutinizer05so if even ex-Nokia kernel devels think the idea is worth it....18:01
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Wizzup`DocScrutinizer05: yeah, I just really dislike the powervr :p18:01
Wizzup`mali would be nice... but I don't think OMAP uses anything but powervr18:01
DocScrutinizer05well, who doesn't18:01
DocScrutinizer05but it's what we got, and we need to work with it18:02
DocScrutinizer05this project isn't about inventing a leete new OS with bleeding edge kernel and other core functions, that somehow looks like maemo18:03
DocScrutinizer05anybody planning to do that is free to start such project any time, without help from me or other GTA04 and Openmoko related persons18:04
LjL-Alpswhat's wrong with the PowerVR? (since i might just buy a phone that also uses it)18:04
DocScrutinizer05#1: closed drivers, aiui18:04
LjL-Alpsah well, they all have those though :(18:04
LjL-Alpsunless Lima pulls something good off18:04
DocScrutinizer05not even openmoko / GTA04 was able to provide FOSS drivers for it18:05
DocScrutinizer05mali400 I heard has semi-open drivers18:05
LjL-Alpsi don't know about semi-open, i know there's this "Lima" project to create open ones18:05
DocScrutinizer05see NovaThor18:05
Wizzup`DocScrutinizer05: I have a mali 400, the lima driver is not ready18:06
Wizzup`they have working 3d and stuff, but no X - yet18:06
Wizzup`but it's a lot more promising than mali18:06
Wizzup`there's also freedrone18:06
Wizzup`and I think there's also some decent work for the snapdragons?18:06
Wizzup`freedreno is most advanced18:06
DocScrutinizer05I dunno, I just asked inside ST-Ericsson about what I could do to help dm8tbr and co about some GPL-issue with a .h for mali40018:06
DocScrutinizer05doesn't mean I looked into the mali400 linux driver project closely18:07
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Wizzup`DocScrutinizer05: I am using a mali for my desktop right now :-)18:08
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DocScrutinizer05about that .h file for NovaThor, it been OSS but not FOSS, means ST-Ericsson didn't feel like GPLing it18:09
DocScrutinizer05which is terribly silly18:09
DocScrutinizer05and of course the FOSS community said "either GPL or we won't touch it" ;-P18:10
Wizzup`oh right18:10
Wizzup`I wanted to ask -- I have another ``half'' n90018:10
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Wizzup`Mainly: the top part of a n90018:10
Wizzup`I think the digitizer is broken, but the lcd still works I think18:11
Wizzup`I want to see if I can somehow use the lcd from another device ... I guess I'll have to research the connector18:11
Wizzup`yeah, nvm18:12
Wizzup`I'll think about it a bit more and come with a concrete q18:12
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DocScrutinizer05you want to use it FOR another project?18:12
DocScrutinizer05not use some LCD _from_ another project18:13
Wizzup`well, I just want to send data to it and see it display something18:13
Wizzup`no, I have a spare-n900 lcd18:13
Wizzup`no particular project, just for fun18:13
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infobotwell, schematics is
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cehtehDocScrutinizer05: are there any chances to get 1-2GB ram into the Neo900?18:15
RiD2? calm down18:17
RiDthis aint android18:17
DocScrutinizer05cehteh: yet to be evaluated18:18
DocScrutinizer05depends on SoC (since RAM is in PoP)18:18
cehtehi tihnk the point is more availability than price18:18
DocScrutinizer05and I dunno if OMAP3 even supports >512RAM18:19
cehtehme neither18:19
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cehtehwould be nice though .. and prolly only a few bucks more expensive18:19
RiDwith 2GB i'd keep all apps I use open18:20
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cehtehwell they prolly suck power as well, not so good idea, but i think it should aim for as much as possible ram as doable (availability and price)18:21
RiDshouldn't suck that much... i guess18:22
ShadowJKN9 is omap318:22
ShadowJKisn't it?18:22
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DocScrutinizer05I probably should've said "I dunno if DM3730 can have PoP with more than 512MB RAM"18:56
DocScrutinizer05oooh, and I wouldn't go for TI OMAP4 ever, it has nasty SiErr that is WONTFIX for OMAP418:57
DocScrutinizer05particularly not coming back from idle on GPIO-IRQ18:57
DocScrutinizer05which makes everything a monster PITA, I had my share of fun for making HSI interface work18:58
* LjL-Alps shudders, since that's what his prospective Galaxy Nexus mounts18:58
DocScrutinizer05"bug: AP doesn't awake on modem activity"18:59
DocScrutinizer05"bug: modem log buffer overflow"19:00
DocScrutinizer05"bug: HSI freezing"19:00
DocScrutinizer05TI: "wontfix in OMAP4, sheduled fix in OMAP5"19:01
dos1I've found that DM3730 supports up to 4Gb RAM - so now... was that really Gb (512 MB) or mistyped GB? ;x19:02
DocScrutinizer05it seems to only happen when certain patterns of active and passive blocks on SoC19:02
dos1looks like Gb -
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DocScrutinizer05thought as much19:02
DocScrutinizer05been there, checked that19:03
DocScrutinizer05matter of addr pins on PoP interface19:03
ShadowJK4g ram is in practice not doable either, I/O takes up much address space19:04
DocScrutinizer05I wasn't all sure, so I said "I dunno..." instead of "it doesn't..."19:04
dos1what do memory makers mean by "Meg" and "Gig"? ...19:05
DocScrutinizer05usually 2^N19:06
DocScrutinizer05bbl, have to run19:06
dos1yeah, but "1 Gig" - is it gigabyte? gigabit? I hate that :/19:06
DocScrutinizer05most usually bit19:07
DocScrutinizer05since memmaker doesn't care about wordsize of AP19:07
DocScrutinizer05can be byte, 16bit, even 18bit, whatever19:08
DocScrutinizer05so mem size is usually *bit19:08
dos1makes some sense19:08
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LithdkYou guys seem pretty competent. I wanna try archlinux on my laptop, but I gotta use it for a 1 week work course in 2 weeks. Will it destroy my hardware if I forget to install something? Like hw monitors/sensors, not enabling or installing modules etc. or will I just be able to revert back to crunchbang if I screw up?20:07
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lexikheh.. offtopic, but: probably no. however Arch Linux is well documented, so dont worry20:11
lexikif you will forget some driver, for example, it will "just not work"20:12
LithdkWell I can just wipe the HD and install another distro then right?20:13
LithdkAnd sorry for the off-topic. Competent people are hard to come by20:13
DocScrutinizer05you *might* "destroy" your whataver-crap installation invented in redmond though, when you do not take care during repartitioning the HD20:14
DocScrutinizer05I.E. take care of your windows (and maybe recovery) partitions20:14
Lithdkdont have windows20:15
LithdkCrap laptop, and CrunchBang is not light enough20:15
lexikcrunchbag is not light enough?!?! :D20:16
LithdkIt's really really bad. But I only use it once every blue moon for libreoffice20:16
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lexikif crunchbag is not light enough, maybe try Gentoo20:17
LithdkSo if I can get arch working I can decide how light-weight it'll be and get some experience20:17
LithdkYeah I dont got the time for that :P20:18
lexikwhat about Puppy Linux? it is ugly (just like from '95) but EXTREMELY lightweight20:19
lexikor Damn small linux / Tiny core linux?20:19
LithdkYeah but I'd get some experience from arch and wouldn't have to ask stupid questions like these anymore20:20
lexikNo you can't destroy your HW, if you will fsck something up, you can recover it via some livecd distr20:21
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lexikalso you can play with this:
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LithdkExactly ^^ Was also on of the reasons I wanted to try arch on a laptop first20:23
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lexikMy first experience with Arch Linux was that :)20:25
lexikNow i'm going to get X working20:25
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lexikafter that i'm going to play with Gentoo :)20:27
lexikalso interesting:
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infobotsomebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see  or
kerioShadowJK: ^20:55
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LithdkFirst time Im in chroot. Can I install things while chrooted into a system?21:07
LithdkInstalling arch and sh: nano: command not found.21:08
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kick-buttowskihello there21:13
kick-buttowskiis there a way to receive push notifications from ZNC in maemo ?21:13
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Sicelopush notifications? what are those?21:19
kick-buttowskiinstead of your device initiate a connection to a remote server to see if there's new info21:21
kick-buttowskithe central/remote server pushes that to your device21:22
kick-buttowskiso if someone says your name in IRC you get notified instantly21:22
kick-buttowskiinstead of after 5 minutes when you pull for the data from your device21:22
DocScrutinizer05kick-buttowski: yes, I think there's some mail service for that in ZNC1.921:23
DocScrutinizer051.0 even21:23
kick-buttowskiimagined as much21:24
kick-buttowskibut an email seems expensive for something like this21:24
kick-buttowskiand was wondering if maemo had stuff like this21:24
DocScrutinizer05what else could ZNC possibly do? it doesn't know what's the IP of your client21:24
kick-buttowskithat's right, znc needs to be hooked to a service21:25
kick-buttowskithere are a lot of those for iOS and android21:25
kick-buttowskibecause push is heavily used there21:25
DocScrutinizer05push is a fuzzy term, used for glorified obfuscated pull services21:27
DocScrutinizer05there's no technical means to "push" sth to a mobile device with changing IP21:27
DocScrutinizer05the mobile *always* needs to do some form of pull21:28
kick-buttowskithat's correct, but I'm not trying to argue semantics here21:28
dos1well, the device makes connection to server21:28
dos1but preserves it, so then server can "push"21:28
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DocScrutinizer05even for SMS based push the mobile does "pull" by registering to the network21:28
kick-buttowskithat's the term that's been widely adopted and I have no interest in changing it :)21:28
dos1so there's some pull (making connection), but it's a bit different than standard pulling or even long polling21:29
kick-buttowskiin anycase even if it's not 100% pull and does require the device to at some point register itself21:29
kick-buttowskiit's not like a mail client logging in via IMAP every 10 minutes21:29
DocScrutinizer05so you can call all that's going on between ZNC and IRC client ass "push" already21:30
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: so you can call all that's going on between ZNC and IRC client as "push" already21:30
DocScrutinizer05kick-buttowski: yes, it's exactly that21:30
DocScrutinizer05your IRC client "logs in" to ZNC and every now and then sends a keep-alive-ping (every 180s or sth). Everything else is already PUSH21:31
kick-buttowskii think you are looking at it the wrong way21:32
DocScrutinizer05to keep a connection to a mobile roaming device, the device needs to send NAT keep alive packets every few minutes21:33
dos1"push notifications" technically are just as simple as that21:33
DocScrutinizer05everything else that's sent from a server to that device via any such conection is "push"21:33
DocScrutinizer05unless you use "out of band" signalling like e.g. SMS21:34
dos1in browsers they are commonly implemented as just persistent HTTP connections21:35
DocScrutinizer05which as well need keep-alive21:35
DocScrutinizer05or otherwise NAT session will time out and your persistent HTTP connection is moot21:35
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kick-buttowskithis has gone way off topic :)21:36
DocScrutinizer05IRC protocol is perfectly meeting all the definitions of a push service21:36
kick-buttowskiit's not if irc is push or not21:37
kick-buttowskifor instance on my android device I don't have IRC client open at all times21:37
DocScrutinizer05yeah, so you use mail based "push" service that notifies you that somebody on IRC has highlighted your nick21:38
kick-buttowskiI use notify my android which has a very small service that receives push notifications from various sources21:38
DocScrutinizer05or maybe not mail based by´ut any other polling/pulling protocol21:38
kick-buttowskiif I used the mail client I would get those notifications every time minutes which is when the mail client connects to the server21:38
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: or maybe not mail based but any other polling/pulling protocol21:39
kick-buttowskiusing email in itself is not really a problem21:39
kick-buttowskibut it does seem like overkill to me21:39
kick-buttowskicoming from the android world21:39
kick-buttowskispecially if you are popular :p21:39
DocScrutinizer05well, does you CLIENT support any other push service than mail?21:40
DocScrutinizer05and particularly, more lightweight than IRC protocol already is21:40
kick-buttowskiyou mean my IRC client ?21:40
DocScrutinizer05or your whole client side OS21:42
kick-buttowskiandroid and iOS have push service21:42
kick-buttowskisome from google/apple directly21:42
DocScrutinizer05you need to use *some* protocil to pull the supposedly pushed notification21:42
kick-buttowskiand some from third parties like notify my android21:42
kick-buttowskiI have no idea about maemo21:42
kick-buttowskiand that's what I orginially set out for21:42
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DocScrutinizer05maemo doesn't support any "push" protocols except for Nokia mail afaik, and of course SMS21:43
Siceloand MS Exchange ;)21:44
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kick-buttowskiso the best bet is to use mails21:44
DocScrutinizer05again, for any "push" service the initiative has to come from your client, which needs to *poll* the "push"-service21:44
kick-buttowskisomething like
DocScrutinizer05IRC itself is a almost perfect protocol for that21:45
kick-buttowskito just send out an email when something happens that you care21:45
DocScrutinizer05it's probably more lightweight than POP3 or IMAP21:46
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DocScrutinizer05so, instead of using for example POP3 to poll your mail every 10 minutes to learn about any "push" event, you as well can start your IRC client every 10 minutes and pull new stuff from ZNC directly21:48
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, I'm busy with other topics. cya21:49
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: fwiw, we already theorized the mobile irc bouncer, didn't we22:05
kerionotify the bouncer on screen blank to stop sending stuff except in case of nickpings22:06
keriosend scrollback in bulk every 2 minutes22:06
kerioso you can idle on irc for free22:07
DocScrutinizer05and ShadowJK(?) actually already implemented something almost similar, by simply tweaking netfilters22:10
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lexikDocScrutinizer05: A BIG problem about Neo900: Nokia. Mass production? eeh... Nokia is an pattent troll, and what we are going to do, is that we are going to sell modified Nokia's....22:48
lexikIn my opinion, we will need a good lawyer :/22:49
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lexikMass production is impossible, imho.22:51
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RiDlexik they dont care for the n90022:56
DocScrutinizer05dafaq, we're not selling anything Nokia related22:56
RiDheck, they mass produce it22:56
RiDyou then install the os on it, and get the case22:56
RiDit could be a bit of a problem if it came with fremantle already22:57
DocScrutinizer05which it won't22:57
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DocScrutinizer05we're also not infringing any patents Nokia could troll us22:59
DocScrutinizer05Nokia *could* try to sue the hongkong sellers of the space cases23:00
lexikHowever we will have to develop special edition of fremantle for Neo...23:00
DocScrutinizer05since at least the white and golden ones are knockoffs for sure23:00
nox-Neo900?  whats that?23:01
infobothmm... neo900 is at
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lexikgood :)23:01
DocScrutinizer05lexik: for the 1000th time: fremantle is FOSS plus a few blobs the community may redistribute freely23:01
nox-hmm interesting...23:02
DocScrutinizer05and it's not GolDeliCo working on fremantle neo port, it's the community23:02
lexiki know that fact.. but next CSSU must be compatible with both devices23:03
lexikn900 and neo90023:03
DocScrutinizer05GolDeliCo doesn't do software, we don't even have the manpower for that23:03
DocScrutinizer05lexik: please gimme a break, I can't take more of your nagging23:04
lexikWE (aka the Maemo Community) will have to delop SW for it, i know :) ;)23:04
RiDspeaking of that, i'm gonna chunk 55€ on an used n90023:05
RiDhopefully i do cool stuff with the usb ._.23:05
RiDthis time it'll be soldered23:05
DocScrutinizer05FWIW I'm just chatting with FatPhil in other channel. He#s ex-Nokia kernel developer helping to port fremantle to the new platform23:06
lexiksaw him on tmo, cool :)23:06
lexikRiD: dont talk me about usb :D tommorow im going to try repair mine "_"23:08
RiDhow broken is yours? :P23:09
RiDmine had the pads all good, but then the idiot who tried to repair it ruined the pads23:09
RiDso now only doing some alternative wiring23:09
RiDlike oh2btg's fix23:09
lexikpads on board are okay...23:09
lexikso i will try to "just solder it"23:09
RiDah good luck, wish mine was like that23:10
lexikAlso i have 20 microusb's from, if someone from Czech or Slovakia wants some, i can give it him for free :D23:10
lexikargh.. *19 microusb's23:11
RiDi guess it'll be 1523:11
RiDsince you'll ruin quite a few23:11
* RiD runs23:11
lexikI hope it'll be 19 :P23:11
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raccoon_so, what's the best option to keep those usb micro critters in place after some times use? epoxy?23:21
infobotmethinks usb is Unusable Serial Bus.  Useless Serial Bus.  Ugly Stupid Bus23:22
RiDuseless bot23:22
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RiD is better23:23
RiDfollow any of the soldering down guides23:23
infobotusbfix is, like, - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)23:32
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DocScrutinizer05~listkeys usb23:32
infobotFactoid search of 'usb' by key (17 of 46): 2.4.18 usbnet ;; between the husbandryman and the historian ;; musb ;; new usbdnet ;; pam_usb ;; rdiff-backup-usbstorage ;; uk usb keyboards ;; uk usb keyoards ;; usb ;; usb backport ;; usb cdburner ;; usb howto ;; usb master ;; usb mice ;; usb mouse ;; usb patch ;; usb-brush.23:32
DocScrutinizer05~forget between the husbandryman and the historian23:33
infoboti forgot between the husbandryman and the historian, DocScrutinizer0523:33
DocScrutinizer05~forget uk usb keyoards23:33
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot uk usb keyoards23:33
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raccoon_ok cool! thansk for the info23:35
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RiDDocScrutinizer05 infobot is your pet, isn't it?23:36
RiDyou take care of it everyday23:36
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infobotDocScrutinizer05: :)23:37
DocScrutinizer05look, I got so used to using it that I pestered TimRiker too often when it been gone or buggy. So he gave me +o23:38
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DocScrutinizer05for some weird reason he thought I wouldn't abuse that ;-P23:38
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DocScrutinizer05downside: I can't tell her ~die anymore23:39
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DocScrutinizer05she takes that too literally23:39
RiDoh it's a she23:39
infobotI'm hermaphroditic23:40
RiDwell but i can23:40
* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.23:40
DocScrutinizer05~attack RiD23:40
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing RiD23:40
RiDit's time23:41
DocScrutinizer05~rape RiD23:41
* RiD runs for his life23:41
* infobot takes RiD behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams23:41
RiDok that's just horrible23:41
RiDraped by a hermaphorditi23:41
RiDgotta get RiD (lol) of the bad habit of pressing enter too early23:42
infobotwaves to DocScrutinizer05 and wishes a nice tasty dinner23:42
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