IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-08-23

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Macerso like. the n900 charger has a different pinout to charge quicker?01:11
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ecc3gmacer: it has a standard microusb pinout...02:27
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Macerecc3g: yeah but i thought the actual n900 had a different thing about it03:02
Macerwhich allows the n900 to charge faster03:02
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robbiethe1stso, guys, the N950 has a proximity sensor on the front, right?03:24
robbiethe1stIt uses an IR(or near-IR) LED?03:26
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ecc3gmacer: nah it's standard or at least (mostly) follows the USB consortium's guidelines.03:26
ecc3gthe only thing that's broken is that it doesn't always switch modes, it's extremely conservative not to fry anything.03:27
ecc3gi've never seen any phone with a visible or near-IR proximity sensor... heh03:29
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ecc3gif it was near-IR then I suppose some people could actually see it lit...03:30
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robbiethe1stecc3g, exactly what I'm getting at03:32
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robbiethe1stLast night, in the dark, I saw a very /very/ dim red light from the front of my N95003:32
robbiethe1stjust a tiny little spark, from the top area there. definitely glowing03:32
robbiethe1stI used my N900 to take a look at it with the camera, and it was light purple, which is what IR tends to look like03:33
robbiethe1stIt was also flickering, via the camera03:33
robbiethe1stnaked eye, no flashing(so a very high rate/optical persistance)03:34
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robbiethe1stI didn't know this was possible(never was able to see IR before)03:36
robbiethe1stwhich makes me think it might be a close enough frequency, or possibly some reflecting off the plastic layer above it, or something03:36
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SpeedEvilir is visible, just, at the edges03:44
SpeedEvilit is possibly the contact sensor03:44
robbiethe1stYeah, that's what I think03:46
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DocScrutinizer05robbiethe1st: yep. confirmed06:44
robbiethe1stDo you know what wavelength of light it produces?06:44
DocScrutinizer05nope, alas not. But I'm worried I seem to have lost my IR sight06:45
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DocScrutinizer05while I recall I've seen IR LEDs in the past, I seem incapable to see this one06:47
robbiethe1stI'd never noticed it before06:48
robbiethe1stBut it was A, in the dark, after my eyes had adjusted to near-pitch-black for a few minutes06:48
robbiethe1st(reading ebooks on my N900 at 2 brightness, and a minute or so staring off into the night06:48
DocScrutinizer05 sounds somehow like it might be that component06:51
DocScrutinizer05or this one? 7741-Z/475-2663-1-ND/1893865?cur=USD07:07
ecc3gthere are tons of IR wavelengths, I think there are two common IR wavelengths though.  One is just outside of red, which is barely visible.  The other is way out and nobody can see it.07:07
DocScrutinizer05yup, wasn't that 830 and 880nm?07:14
ecc3gI guess says 850 and a 950-ish range.  I guess the upper range ones is not precise07:16
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ecc3gthought they were different.  the 850 one makes sense because they're used to make blue lasers.  The upper one I thought was closer to 1000nm but it wasn't the case (to make green lasers)07:17
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DocScrutinizer05err yep, 880 and 95007:24
robbiethe1stI almost gave ubuntu credit. I finally got Ubuntu Mobile installed on my nexus 7 tablet. It works surprisingly smoothly07:25
robbiethe1stI've got a terminal, large repo, etc. Yay!07:26
robbiethe1stI install Openjdk, get it installed, it all works.07:26
robbiethe1stI go to try to run a java app, and oh, wait, no X11.07:26
robbiethe1stI wouldn't care so much if they provided a compatibility layer, but as it is now, it's worse than Cyannogen mod.07:26
robbiethe1stTomorrow, plasma active time. we'll see if they can do better.07:27
robbiethe1stDamnit, I /will/ get Runescape to run natively on my Nexus 7!07:27
robbiethe1st(I will point out that it runs on my N900, so something that is many times as powerful should be able to run it.07:28
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DocScrutinizer05lol, tell stskeeps and jolla about your thoughts regarding non-X11 platforms07:28
DocScrutinizer05aiui they opted for wayland since that allows to run HD-video ... . . .oO(whatever THATS worth for, on a 4" screen)07:30
DocScrutinizer05but wayland is THE FUTURE, oh my :-x07:31
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DocScrutinizer05"use QML and you'll not even notice it's no X11!" tzzzzzz07:36
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Maceri disabled js in microb08:03
Macerworks great now! heh08:04
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Maceromg why does the default app manager have to suck so much? heh08:09
Maceri wish the other one was the default. have there been any talks to replace it?08:09
Macerlieke the way it randomly updates stuff08:14
Maceri just wanted to check which repos were activated so in order to do that it has to "check for updates" then go on its 20 min db update08:14
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discopigusb port broke on my n900 :(09:58
discopigand i've been so careful with it09:58
discopigi even sanded off the teeth on the usb cables09:59
discopigso it would slide in and out without any effort09:59
discopigi have a motherboard with a working usb port so i'd just need to switch it out but i still dont get how this broke09:59
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discopigis there any way to solder the port back on after it fell off?10:05
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ShadowJKI imagine sideways forces are more of a concern than the insertion and removal force12:32
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Iridoson related news, I soldered my n900 usb port-casing to the board last weekend \o/12:44
Iridosbut seems it was just a big coincidence that 3 or so external chargers stopped working [with the N900]12:45
Iridoswhat's weird, one charger still works with other devices, but not with the N900... the N900 does detect when I plug it out, too... then the screen goes on... but it never goes into a charging state12:46
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discopigyeah ShadowJK12:59
discopigi've been really careful though12:59
discopigbut yeah i have another motherboard until i can get around to getting a soldering iron and fixing the broken one12:59
discopigi just disassembled it and switched it out 1h ago12:59
discopigIridos, i had the same issue13:00
discopigit means your microusb port is about to fall off13:00
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discopigit means some of the pins are already not touching anymore, so it's messing it up13:00
discopigit's really a shame there is still no good n900 replacement in 2013 :/13:01
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discopigi'm going to end up using that n900 until it completely breaks down13:01
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, that picture doesn't help much14:56
DocScrutinizer05I don't have kismac so don't know the meaning of the cols "A..." "S..." whatever. And even if I knnew, I still can't tell what all those stations are without looking at mac/SSID. Odds are they might be clients of maybe 3 AP14:58
DocScrutinizer05the used-channel distribution suggests that as well14:59
DocScrutinizer05I also had situations where I could *detect* ~30 APs, but only maybe 2 or 3 were offered to conect to. This usually is caused by the other ones simply having an abysmal S/N-ratio, caused by one nearby transmitter (often not even a AP) simply polluting the whole WLAN band15:02
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Macerthere has to be something messed up somewhere with microb. i dont remember it ever being this bad16:15
Macerit runs for a while then for whatever reason cpu maxes out and i keep getting the close dialogue16:15
Macerit eventually starts working again but it happens over and over16:15
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ecc3gi wish web devs stop writing inefficient javascript...16:16
Maceri disabled js16:16
Macerstill does it16:16
Macerthought that may be the problem as well16:16
ecc3gor other plugins too...16:17
Maceryeah i suppose16:19
Maceri do have the adblock stuff installed. maybe i will disable those and see what happens later16:19
Macerit probably blocks it in a difficult manner16:20
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DocScrutinizer05adblock is an extreme hog16:25
DocScrutinizer05the blocking list is waaaaaay too large, and searching it costs eternities of time16:25
DocScrutinizer05honestly for doing stuff like adblock you should consider a client-server or rather proxy concept, with your own or a provider's http proxy server16:27
DocScrutinizer05anyway it's a known fact that adblock slows down rather than speed up webbrowsing on embedded devices like N90016:28
DocScrutinizer05even with 9.6kbps plain CSD it would take less time to download and render the ads than what adblock takes to check each single GET against that monster of a blocklist16:30
DocScrutinizer05iirc adblock also hogs RAM which is another reason why stuff comes to a grinding halt when it's enabled16:31
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DocScrutinizer05weird, nobody missed infobot16:45
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infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!16:45
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infobot- Uptime for purl -16:46
infobotNow: 2m 16s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux16:46
infobot1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 201016:46
infobot2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 200916:46
infobot3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 200916:46
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drathirDocScrutinizer05: can you also invite to alternatives ?16:49
drathiror not needed ?16:50
DocScrutinizer05drathir: sorry?16:50
drathirmissing info boot too there...16:50
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sixwheeledbeastWin7Mac: I have made Maemo Weekly News wiki page "registered users only" due to excessive vandalism. This must be 4/5 times we have rolledback now.17:28
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Win7Macsixwheeledbeast, good, didn't even know this was possible17:39
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sixwheeledbeastsee wiki logs ;) protect is in the column on the right :)17:41
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sixwheeledbeastUse sparingly on pages that have excessive issues that unregistered users don't need to edit.17:42
Win7Macok, thanks17:43
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Natanaielwhat is the voice call app name in maemo?18:07
PaliNatanaiel: rtcom-call-ui18:08
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NatanaielPali: Is there any place where can I download its source code from?18:17
PaliNatanaiel: not it is closed source18:17
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kW_Hello! Do any N900 successor devices with at least its capabilities (open-source, hardware keyboard, ...) exist?18:31
kW_(Maybe the N950, but those devices are not available for purchase...)18:31
jon_ykW_: I've been told to get a blackberry :(18:32
jon_yit doesn't even run Linux18:32
drathirbb is great for main phone...18:33
jon_yit doesn't have ssh18:33
jon_yor irssi18:33
jon_yor gcc18:33
drathirhave good client18:34
jon_yI mean ssh server18:34
jon_ywith gnu userland and all that18:34
jon_yat least apple rooted phones have them the last time I checked18:34
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jon_ydrathir: that's a client18:35
drathiroh server yes dont have, but bb need to be a secure phone...18:35
jon_yeveryone and their mums have ssh clients18:36
jon_yyou know, you could enable ssh only when you want to connect to it18:36
jon_ylack of ssh server isn't related to security18:37
drathirbb have bis/bes18:37
jon_yso how do you chroot on a BB phone anyway?18:37
drathiryes server give acces and security holes not well controled...18:38
jon_ythe n900 didn't have proper gnuland, so it compensated by allowing chroot18:38
jon_yyou want an iphone in that case18:38
jon_yBIS/BES is already compromised18:39
jon_ycompromised at the BB end18:39
drathirlike i say bb is make for security not possible to acces and mess anything... And for main phone is perfect for entertainment use also is good, but for play with phone only n900...18:40
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jon_yBB is better used as a door stop, since you can't do anything with it18:41
jon_yonly if you are into what they call mobile games18:42
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jon_yI have my wintel desktop for that18:42
drathiri find all major apps what i using on symbian... Bb isnt phone to play with it it solid phone to working all the time... If need linux you can simply connect to ssh w/o problems, and not sure also if allow now to port redirection...18:44
jon_ysure, but do not say it is even comparable to the N90018:45
drathirjon_y: yea games too, but also music, and movies...18:45
jon_yif anything, it is a downgrade18:45
jon_yright, N900 can't play music18:46
drathirtrue, that i say for main phone bb for play phone n900.18:46
jon_ysimply put it, there is no replacement for the N90018:47
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jon_yall the new phones are all glass, lack SD, and without removable battery18:47
jon_yBB phones with hard keyboards come with tiny 2.5" screens18:48
drathiri have for main n900 works ok, but time is short and update always is little scary , but all the time without update problems... Now sadly waiting my n900 to fix...18:48
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drathirjon_y: q10 ?18:51
drathirmy rip bb was 9300 was great phone... :/18:54
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wndI've been told that's the graphics core being used before it's fully initialised. I've had that happen number of times and it seems to be completely harmless. if it bothers you, reboot and let the device "settle" before doing anything.19:37
LithdkAight thank you19:38
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ShadowJKIt's kinda funny how asus and LG make non-nexus version/clone of the google nexus devices, but add microsdhc. On the other hand, you'll have to suffer vendor crapware/crapgui/crapoverlay instead.19:40
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WizardNumberNextHello. I have advanced-interface-switcher. I think it is the one, which shows switches for 2/3G wifi and bt and. Wifi was including driver selector and bt was including discoverable/connectable switches. Allthougt it is not appearing in status drop-down menu. Any ideas?19:59
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WizardNumberNextP.S. it is not from extras-devel19:59
kW_drathir+jon_y: thank you, so this is also my current state: an N900 isn't replaceable with newer models, even 4 years after the N900 was launched... so I will now buy my 3rd N900 as the hardware breaks after some time...20:04
* ShadowJK is on his fourth N90020:06
kW_ShadowJK: what happened to the first 3...?20:08
ShadowJKkW_; modem failed20:08
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* Luke-Jr hasn't had to switch to his spare yet20:12
Luke-Jralthough I never use it anymore20:12
ShadowJKI use mine daily, ircing on it now20:12
Luke-Jrnow it just sits at my colo as a backup internet link -.-20:12
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Luke-JrI basically never leave home <.<20:13
ShadowJKMy old Nokia E70 and E75 sit at home as backup internet links :)20:14
drathirBmine exclude usb work perfect...20:15
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sixwheeledbeastShadowJK: I have three and still on my first using as daily "business" phone ;)20:19
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sixwheeledbeastmain ribbon had died but it's still good :)20:21
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sixwheeledbeastthis channel has super cow powers :)22:48
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HtheBmoo I said....22:49
* HtheB is a Brahmin22:49
HtheBfallout ftw22:53
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WizardNumberNextsixwheeledbeast, everybody is scared of super cow powers - do not mention it ;)23:23
WizardNumberNextbtw where is bleeding edge wifi module for kp52? on kp51 I didn't have to download it?23:24
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