IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2013-08-15

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Wizzupinstalling thumb \o/00:25
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sixwheeledbeastWizzup: KP package is yet to be repaired, it's a repo issue that fmg is sorting I believe. If you look in the pkg i/face you will see only the kernel-power-flasher package has version5201:56
Wizzupyeah, I went with the extras-devel version01:56
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Wuzzy_greetings. this isn't too clear about current state of investigation. is host mode possible with just pluging in a device?06:01
Wuzzy_if yes, ideas about how to power the n900 externaly while usb in host mode?06:03
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robbiethe1stUse H E N06:11
robbiethe1stAt least, that's the last time I knew of it06:11
robbiethe1stas far as powering it during that time, it should be possible... HEN kills BME, but you should be able to use a basic charging script(I know there's one by "ShadowJK" which I used a few years back); it turns on the charger "manually"06:12
robbiethe1stBackupmenu uses it to charge, so you can always yank a copy from that if needed06:12
Wuzzy_robbiethe1st: thanks, but that's no good. I am speculating in useing nativ debian for example. I wanted to know if its possible without HEN. the wiki entry talked about a kernel patch, is that only working in combination with HEN?06:15
robbiethe1stI don't know06:16
robbiethe1stI'm guessing it's part of Power Kernel06:16
Wuzzy_robbiethe1st: ok06:16
robbiethe1stIt'd have to be. You'd have to ask someone who's worked on H E N to figure out what it calls etc06:17
Wuzzy_robbiethe1st: I'll stay in chan for some time, maybe someone will know.06:18
robbiethe1stDocS would be one to talk to06:18
Wuzzy_robbiethe1st: ok, I'll ask him when online.06:19
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Macerfreenas is awesome06:29
Macerwhy is microb being such a memory hog?06:29
robbiethe1stKill it and restart?06:29
Macerdid that but it seems whenever i use it it really bogs down the n90006:30
robbiethe1stAlso, I will point out my trick for microb and battery usage - SIGSTOP/SIGCONT06:30
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Macerheh. i dont usually keep it open06:31
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DrCodehi all07:23
DrCodeI read that n900 can use microsd 64Gb , some pepole recommanded on SanDisk 64Gb class 10, any one using samsung 64Gb with n900?07:24
Maceranybody know if the sociality in devel was updated to function?07:32
Maceri remember the one in the repo not showing the newsfeed07:32
Macerbut the one on tmo worked07:32
Sc0rpiusI don't think it has been updated07:33
Sc0rpiusbut what amazes me is that nobody has volunteered to do it07:33
Sc0rpiuslooks like all Maemo developers have left and only users remain07:33
Maceryeah it is probably the best fb client i have seen heh07:33
Macerwell. the devs are all working to maintain cssu07:34
Macerand the repos are in disaray07:34
Sc0rpiusthat's true07:34
Macerim trying to find the functional deb on tmo07:35
Macerit half worked. i think the only major issue was the "like" not working properly07:35
Sc0rpiusI would love to see pacakges imported into extras again, right now they can't survive further than extras/devel07:35
Sc0rpiusit shouldn't be too hard to fix if it's a well-coded app, which I'm sure it is since it was coded by MohammadAG if I'm not mistaken07:36
psycho_oreosI don't think all the developers have left. It is true that I agree to an extent that the majority have left, there still are decent maintainers around.07:38
MacerMohammadAG gave up on the project?07:39
psycho_oreosHe probably had too many other projects lined up. Don't forget in the case of OMP.07:40
Macerextras has q-extras 1.0.5 :-/07:41
psycho_oreosI also guess this is why sixwheeledbeast formed testing squad. In a bid to get the repository promotions happening, there were simply way too many programs sitting in extras-devel, some of which work perfectly fine but it never gets tested properly hence promoted.07:41
Macerwell. there isnt a big maemo base nowadays :)07:42
Macernor are there a lot of devs07:42
psycho_oreosAll these years of inactive promotion probably have also made developers/maintainers leave, simply because the lack of feedback from the community.07:42
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Maceri wonder how many active maemo users there are nowadays07:43
psycho_oreosYeah it isn't a big base for a few reasons, but nonetheless its good that we still have developers/maintainers willing to keep the whole project active.07:43
Maceri guess the major concentration is with cssu07:44
Sc0rpiusMohammadAG has move to other platforms07:44
Macerah well... what can you do?07:44
Sc0rpiusno longer working on N90007:45
MacerSc0rpius: like ios?07:45
Sc0rpiusnope, he actually has a Galaxy S4 now07:46
psycho_oreosMind you whilst the rest of the regulars are sticking around CSSU stuff, we have had a few new maemo users coming in. Not many of course but a few, maybe about a dozen.07:46
Sc0rpiusor so I read in his twitter account07:46
Macerto install q-extras 1.0.7 i would have to install a lot of deps :-/07:46
Sc0rpiushow do you know that psycho_oreos07:47
Sc0rpiuswell I'm always seeing people with 1 or 2 posts (new users) posting in TMO all the time07:47
Sc0rpiusit's weird.07:47
psycho_oreosSc0rpius, just a rough guess (looking at the new threads/posts) on TMO.07:48
Sc0rpiusI see07:48
Sc0rpiuswell yeah I also have seen new users in TMO07:48
Macerwhen the n900 first came out this # was booming lol07:48
Macerhad some awesome characters07:48
Macerwish lcuk was still around07:49
psycho_oreosThey are the ones that I would say "active", there's probably others that are active but they won't say anything, just continue lurking and somewhat staying in the shadows.07:49
psycho_oreosI believe the IRC logs were massive.. we had many developers.. many..07:49
Sc0rpiusyeah a lot definitely07:49
Sc0rpiusyou can see it just looking at the really high number of apps in the repositories07:50
Macermost of those are old and not really maintained anymore07:50
psycho_oreosThere was probably hardly anytime that this channel remained quiet for so long compared to now and what it was back then.07:50
Maceryah. this place was awesome heh07:50
psycho_oreosYeah many developers/maintainers moved on.. for various reasons.07:50
Maceri would say mostly due to abandonment07:51
Macergot it with the 770 8x0 and 90007:51
Macernokia abandoned all 3 lol07:51
Macerand left devs and users high and dry07:51
Maceri would say because the open fad died07:51
psycho_oreosAbandonment on various levels I suppose. Developers/maintainers wouldn't be interested in working on something that has 0 people following, its kinda like how twitter works. If there's no activity on the said project, it simply means that the use was very limited and nobody cares if it withered away.07:52
Macerwell... tbh... most open projects which lose their main company support dont last long07:53
Macermaemo, opensolaris, to name a couple07:53
psycho_oreosYup, lack of funding/interest pooled on particular projects.07:53
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Macerwhen oracle pulled the plug on osol it pretty much became another maemo heh07:54
Macerat least the fbsd people took up on zfs07:54
psycho_oreosopenmoko is another example.07:54
Macergoogle probably did right with android07:55
Sc0rpiuswhere I work07:55
Macereven if google pulled the plug on it ... the manufacturer companies of the devices would just keep their forks07:55
Macerand build on them07:55
Sc0rpiuswe have several Sun Fire T5240 servers, anyway those run Solaris and most of them have arrays of disk formatted with RAID-Z (ZFS)07:56
Sc0rpiusand even if the idea is good07:56
Macersolaris is awesome07:56
Sc0rpiusthey are EXTREMELY SLOW compared to UFS so ZFS is a NO-NO for me!07:56
Macerbut it is also expensive07:56
Sc0rpiusit *was* expensive07:56
Sc0rpiusnow it doesn't even exist :P07:56
psycho_oreosAndroid I believe worked quite differently. It really started off as a software which began infiltrating on various embedded hardwares. Unlike maemo where the software is tied to the hardware, hence it became hardware-specific.07:56
Maceri thought oracle still sold solaris07:56
Macerthey also update zfs all the time for paying solaris customers :)07:57
Sc0rpiusyou can get Solaris 11 yeah07:57
Macernewer versions of zfs have dataset encrytion07:57
Sc0rpiusand still some servers07:57
Maceramongst other awesome new features07:57
Sc0rpiusbut nobody buys them anymore07:57
psycho_oreosThere has been various attempts in the past to free maemo from being tied to its own platform, but there were mixed results and if you look at their support channels now, they are also dying/dead.07:58
Maceryou really cant beat zfs07:58
MacerSc0rpius: i dont know07:58
Macerim sure oracle still kicks ass with the db business07:58
Sc0rpiusno doubt about it07:58
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Sc0rpiusbut I meant the Sun Servers07:59
Macerand solaris + zfs + orcle cant be beaten07:59
Sc0rpiusOracle runs in Linux now07:59
Sc0rpiusit didn't when I first met the DB07:59
Sc0rpiuspeople is moving to cloud fast07:59
Sc0rpiusDatacenters are getting empty07:59
Macerthey ran linux. im sure they push solaris nowadays07:59
Macersince gpl and zfs licenses conflict07:59
Macerwhich is why zfs has to use fuse or some patch manually installed08:00
Macerin linux08:00
psycho_oreosI'm sure oracle wouldn't be dumb to put "all their eggs in one basket". It's a common business/investment strategy.08:00
Sc0rpiusactually Oracle has its own filesystem so if you want the best performance you just let Oracle access to the raw disks08:00
Macerwell.. oracle was supporting btrfs a LOT08:00
Macerthen they bought sun08:00
Sc0rpiusyou can still have datafiles in your own fs like before of course08:00
Macerand pulled their support lol08:00
Sc0rpiusOracle is great08:01
Macerzfs was lightyears ahead of btrfs08:01
Sc0rpiusI have seen it doing amazing things08:01
Sc0rpiusbut still MySQL is enough for most people08:01
Macerim waiting on oracle to can mysql too08:01
psycho_oreosDon't forget too about PostgreSQL.08:01
Sc0rpiusMySQL is from Oracle too nowadays!08:01
Macermost people are swapping to mariadb08:02
Sc0rpiusSQL has to die08:02
Macerbecause of oracle08:02
Sc0rpiusNoSQL stuff will become mainstream08:02
Macerit is just a matter of time08:02
Macerbefore oravcle ruins mysql as well :)08:02
Macerthey have already been leaning that way08:02
Macerbut i have to admit. when opensolaris was around.. it was absolutely awesome heh08:03
Sc0rpiusyou look like you know your stuff08:03
Maceri loved it08:03
Sc0rpiusnow I wonder why don't you fix sociality :P08:03
Macerim not a dev ;)08:03
Macerotherwise i would08:03
Macerinstalling sociality would require like 100 pkgs from devel08:04
Macerscrew that. i learned my lesson last time dealing with the devel repo08:04
Sc0rpiusso you don't even have devel repo configured?08:04
Maceri will just use the mobile page in microb heh08:05
Sc0rpiusthat's a big mistake!08:05
Macerno. i turned it on08:05
Macerto see what q-extras required08:05
Macersociality depends on q-extras 1.0.7+08:05
freemangordonSc0rpius: what is "manually importing packages to extras-testing" supposed to mean?08:05
Sc0rpiusit means I clicked on import package and nothing happened08:05
Sc0rpiusand my package says "package imported"08:05
freemangordonweird. which package?08:06
psycho_oreosIf you looked at the description of Q-Extras... "Library of helpful Qt-based components." wouldn't that be somewhat obvious that it would install a whole bunch of libqt* stuff? :)08:07
freemangordonwhen did you do that?08:07
freemangordonSc0rpius: ^^^08:07
Sc0rpiuslike three weeks ago :)08:07
freemangordonaah :)08:07
Sc0rpiusI guess I have to import new packages08:07
freemangordonwait a minute08:07
Sc0rpiusand how those new packages have reached extras-testing then?08:09
freemangordonread the second post ;)08:09
freemangordonSc0rpius: promote
psycho_oreos!seen Pali08:09
psycho_oreos~seen Pali08:09
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13h 2m 42s ago, saying: 'Sourav: just charge battery to FULL, then discharge it until bme replacement will shutdown phone and then charge battery again'.08:10
* Sc0rpius clicks on Promote package 08:11
freemangordonSc0rpius: :nod:08:11
Sc0rpiusnow it says promoted aahh I've even forgotten what it used to say08:12
freemangordonit will like 1 hour to reach -testing08:12
Sc0rpiuswell now I wait cron jobs to copy to extras/testing I guess and then I have to tell my testers to test08:12
Sc0rpiusMacer I wonder what q-extras is, all I know is that it is another project  of MohammadAG08:14
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freemangordonSc0rpius: hmm, are you sure you've promoted yappari back then? as I see "promote package" enabled for armel package too ;)08:15
freemangordon(don't click it)08:15
Sc0rpiusthen I promoted the wrong package! (I won't)08:15
Sc0rpiusbut the wiki says promote the armel and the i386 will be promoted automatically (or something)08:15
freemangordonnow you've promotoed 386, armel will follow shortly08:16
freemangordonthe point is:08:16
freemangordon<Sc0rpius> it means I clicked on import package and nothing happened08:16
Sc0rpiusI guess I meant "promote package"08:17
freemangordongot that08:17
Sc0rpiusbut it was never promoted to the extras/testing08:17
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freemangordonwas it an older version?08:17
Sc0rpiuscould be...08:17
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freemangordonok, it makes sense then08:17
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freemangordonSc0rpius: the last promotion I see is on 2013-05-17, I guess you've given up after that :D08:28
Sc0rpiusprobably :)08:28
Sc0rpiusI thought it was more recent though08:28
freemangordonnot according to package history08:29
freemangordon*the package08:29
Sc0rpiusI see08:29
* freemangordon wonders why marxian is not promoting cutetube to -testing08:29
psycho_oreosWasn't it already in extras-testing?08:30
Sc0rpiushe knows it is working again?08:30
Sc0rpiusmost people just gave up08:30
freemangordonSc0rpius: I left a not on cutetube thread, alond with a bug report. maybe he is on holiday :)08:31
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infobotfreemangordon meant: Sc0rpius: I left a note on cutetube thread, alond with a bug report. maybe he is on holiday :)08:31
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: the version in -testing is ancient08:32
freemangordonthe version in -devel is 1.7.908:32
psycho_oreosAhh makes sense.. that would be the same ordeal as qmltube or (cutetube-qml).08:32
* psycho_oreos wishes now he hasn't given that older cutetube a thumbs up...08:33
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Sc0rpiusthat was fast08:44
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Souravlooks interesting
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psycho_oreosHah!, never released in Japan or Australia ... and worst console ever vote in 2007.10:35
psycho_oreosrather not vote, it was named. Even worse.10:36
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Lava_CroftPali: update to your bme breaks Docs calibration script?12:39
PaliLava_Croft: what Docs using?12:43
Paliwhen you are using bme replacement it is not possible to read/write bq i2c registers12:44
Palivia i2c-get12:44
Palibut you can use i2cget with flag '-f'12:44
Lava_Croftmom, let me move to desktop12:45
Lava_CroftI used that the last time to calibrate, but since update it doesnt report my 1500+ mah anymore12:47
Lava_Croftrunning the script doesnt work, now i know due to not being able to use i2c-get :)12:47
Palino it using i2cset12:47
Paliyou should rewrite it to use echo ... > /sys/...12:48
PaliLava_Croft: kerio has something12:48
kerioi what12:48
* Lava_Croft pokes kerio with a bird's feather12:48
Lava_Crofthey that was fast12:48
Lava_Croftyou have an 'updated' battery calib script?12:48
Lava_Croftthis stuff needs a central point12:48
Lava_Croftso now what12:51
Lava_CroftPali: what exactly do i need to rewrite and how?12:52
Lava_CroftI need to have a clue! :)12:53
Paliyou cannot read/write i2c bq27200 and bq24151 registers directly12:53
Paliyou need to use /sys/class/power_supply/.... /registers file for that12:54
Lava_Croftthis might be slightly above my head / technical skill12:54
Palikerio: you have some calibration script which working with bme_replacment12:54
Palikerio: and Lava_Croft asking for it12:54
kerioor something12:54
PaliLava_Croft ^^^12:55
Lava_Croftthats both scripts combined in a single one?12:55
Lava_Croftah, it looks like shadow's script12:55
Lava_Croftor not12:55
Lava_Croftlets just see how it works12:55
Lava_Croftjust checking, my battery is at 1350/1262 mah12:56
Lava_Croftits fuller than full12:56
Lava_Croftkerio: thats a nice clean script13:00
kerioLava_Croft: that's a separate issue though13:04
Lava_Croftone that wasnt there before13:05
keriomodprobe -r rx51-battery13:05
Lava_Croftat least not on my end13:05
keriolatest version of bmerep did that13:05
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Lava_Crofthey what13:06
Lava_Croftfuck me, that worked13:06
Lava_Croftwhy thank you13:07
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Iridosoi, FAT-fs (sdb1): error, fat_free_clusters: deleting FAT entry beyond EOF13:19
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kerio!rc stth13:23
Iridoseverything still seems to be there after fsck...13:23
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psycho_oreosIridos, I think that's what you get for dirty vfat filesystems.13:27
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Iridosfirst time that happened, though... and not always unmounting over the last years. I just seem to have had a bit of an unlucky hand with filesystems lately13:29
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qwerty123hey help me with easy chroot please!! there isno icon of it, how do i use it to mount and chroot into some partition14:24
ApicEasy Debian Chroot has Icons14:25
qwerty123nope just easy chroot!14:26
qwerty123it should have an icon! its not showingin systems!14:26
qwerty123not easy debian !! easy-chroot just!14:27
quackquacknative debian.14:28
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LithdkIt works, Pyscho, it booted14:30
LithdkNow Im gonna let it charge for a while before I take out the battery to put in my sim14:30
Lava_CroftLithdk: \o/14:31
Lithdkand lava, yes it works :D14:31
Lava_Crofttime to break it again14:31
LithdkSuper win, and everything _seems_ like maemo514:31
Lava_Croftyou cant really fake that with java crap i guess14:31
quackquackbreak it and make it.14:31
Lithdkyeah lol ^^ I also have to order some data subscription with my phone plan now14:31
Lithdk5g data/month for around 10 us dollars fair?14:32
Lava_Croftseems fair enough14:32
Lava_Croftyou dont use 5gb a month on mobile data anyway14:32
kerioLithdk: sure14:32
Lava_Crofti barely get to 1gb14:32
psycho_oreosLithdk, just been catching up on forum threads lol. Even better that you are here.14:33
LithdkI like to watch movies and youtube and shit14:33
kerioi pay 5eur for 100mb/day14:33
keriowhich is kind of a pain14:33
psycho_oreosget cutetube Lithdk, cutetube from extras-devel.14:33
LithdkYeah it's awesome man :D14:33
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Lava_Crofti pay 45 a month because i got a galaxy nexus with it14:33
Lava_Croftthat i sold very quickly14:33
LithdkThank you guys so much for all your help yesterday14:33
psycho_oreosA real N900 should allow you to add whatever repository you want, refresh the dpkg list and install new programs.14:33
Lithdkcutetube, got it :P just need to get my data plan set up14:33
psycho_oreosIf you have WLAN you can try and set it up through that.14:34
Lithdkalso I dont have my sim in it yet, Im using the battery that came with the phone so I want it to charge up14:34
psycho_oreosAlso, USB networking.. allows your N900 to use your PC for internet connection (or vice-versa).14:34
LithdkI only got ethernet :P no router14:34
keriodon't put the sim in yet14:34
kerioinfobot: dude14:34
infobotwell, dude is Be most excellent to each other! Also the moniker of Jim Dixon.14:34
Lava_Crofttouch /home/user/.cherry_state14:35
kerioLithdk: uninstall cherry and/or install notmynokia and/or what Lava_Croft said first14:35
Lava_Croftbefore entering sim14:35
LithdkWe'll give it an hour to charge. But find out what you want me to test on this and make a list, if it's really a functional 100% n900 people on the forums wanna know14:35
Lava_Croftor else nokia sends you a fucking SMS14:35
Lava_Croftthat will enrage you14:35
Lava_Croftbecause you never asked for a goddamn sms14:35
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Lithdkdelete .cherry_state?14:36
Lava_Crofttouch it14:36
Lava_Croftif it exists, you dont get the sms14:36
psycho_oreosI'm surprised nokia will still to do that to new owners of N900. They've stopped supporting in a big way but they're still willing to send SMS to new N900 owners? heh.14:36
Lava_Croftpsycho_oreos: n9 too14:36
Lava_CroftTIPS AND OFFERS14:36
psycho_oreosLava_Croft, lol an "unwanted child" still gets some form of care and attention even though it was still "unwanted".14:37
Lava_CroftLithdk: that link contains a host of valuable unfo14:37
kerioit's not like they're in a position to change how it works in existing n900s14:37
Lava_Croftand it not like it in any way costs nokia actual money14:38
Lava_Croftsending those 10 sms'14:38
LithdkAlright Imma read through it14:38
Lava_CroftLithdk: also read up on CSSU14:38
Lava_Croftthe 'community update' for maemo514:38
psycho_oreosNo but the cherry state I thought can be shut down remotely. I guess they can't be stuffed doing that but can be stuffed shutting down * and (or whatever that site was).14:40
Lava_Croftwhich makes total sense14:40
Lava_Croftwhy would nokia keep those running14:40
Lithdkls -l .cherry_state reports "no such file or directory14:40
Lava_Crofttouch it14:40
Lava_Crofti pasted the command14:41
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psycho_oreosI meant if nokia could be bothered shutting down other things but not that cherry crap, its something that is quite amusing no?14:41
Lithdktouched it14:42
psycho_oreosLithdk, also get cpumem-applet, its a very nifty tool.14:42
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keriopsycho_oreos: there's nothing to shut down14:43
Lava_Croftalso handy14:43
kerioleaving things as they are is doing nothing14:43
kerioshutting it down would require effort14:43
Lithdkdoes it take conky as is or is there some modified version?14:43
psycho_oreoskerio, so the cherry state and nokia sending you SMS is all done locally?14:43
keriono, *you* send an sms14:43
keriowhich is the problem14:44
Lava_Croftand there14:44
Lava_Croftall contain bits and pieces of handy info14:44
psycho_oreosI meant afterwards, after sending SMS. They could have shut it down.14:44
LithdkHave like a million links now ^^14:44
kerio"the perfect setup" involves disabling every repo in ham, setting up some repos, and then uninstalling LOTS of stuff14:45
keriopsycho_oreos: i doubt anything happens afterwards14:45
LithdkIm gonna go get a burger to celebrate, will be back quickly.14:45
psycho_oreosLithdk, you can use standard conky but there's a nicer conky setup in the repos.14:45
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Lava_Croftyeah, 'all features enabled' orso14:45
Lava_Croftyou want that conki14:45
LithdkYeah but its just a .conkyrc file ?14:45
Lava_Croftits in the description14:45
Lava_Croftits a full conky install + conf14:46
psycho_oreoskerio, oh I thought it might still have been active.14:46
psycho_oreosyup ^ (as Lava_Croft said).14:46
Lithdkoh cool, gonna look at that after I get my burger. 10 minutes guys14:46
Lava_Croftlike that14:46
Lava_Croftrandom google image14:46
psycho_oreosYou got to like the time that screenshot was taken :>14:47
kerioanyway, extras-devel-light is a lifesaver when you're on limited traffic/bandwidth14:48
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psycho_oreosI hear it has DiffIndex. Then again, it seems like as if the real repository( needs something like that as well.14:52
Lava_Croftextras-devel-light is always a lifesaver/timesaver14:53
Lava_Croftnothing more annoying than having to wait for HAM because extras-devel is full of junk14:53
kerioapt-get update taking tens of kb instead of 10MB *is* a gamechanger14:54
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Lithdkthat's a nice conky14:56
psycho_oreosThat's what you get when you use the conky that's provided in the repos (or similar).14:56
psycho_oreosI guess its the real N900 that you got, I personally have never seen any fake N900 that is capable of running maemo let alone properly. Though if you want to double check and to verify that it is the real N900. There maybe are few tools here and there that you can try and see if it works.15:06
Lithdkbah she cant add a data plan to my current subscription and I have to wait for a new sim, what a bitch15:06
Lithdkbut as you said I could leech off of my stationaries internet?15:06
Lithdk's * sry. PC15:07
psycho_oreosYes, via USB networking15:07
LithdkIm from Denmark, english isnt my native language15:07
psycho_oreos*nods* I didn't want to make a mistake in misunderstanding. (English isn't really my native language either :))15:07
Lava_Croftsame here15:08
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psycho_oreosThough I guess all of us just use English as a basis form of communication :)15:08
Lava_Croftshould get rid of all other languages15:08
psycho_oreosThat'll piss translators off lol.15:09
Lava_Croftmy brother is freelance translator:)15:09
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LithdkRemove daylight savings and change all languages to English15:10
psycho_oreosLithdk, for reference I have USB networking working very well with my setup. One of my N900 is using my PC's wifi to connect to my router. Of course I could just get N900 to connect to my router without really needing a PC or whatever, but at least this way I can see bandwidth going in and out from my PC.15:10
psycho_oreosThat'll make him redundant lol Lava_Croft15:11
LithdkI should just get a wireless router15:11
psycho_oreosUSB networking is so nifty in various ways, you can even make it do the opposite, have PC using N900's wifi to connect to the router. Though it heavily relies on your microUSB port.15:12
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psycho_oreosAlso speaking of USB port, you should try and get that issue addressed (just in case, ideally before it breaks).15:13
Lithdk60% charged. do I dare take out the battery to put in sim?15:13
psycho_oreosI'd say 60% charged should be more than enough for bootup. It's also enough to go into flashing as well.15:14
psycho_oreosDo remember to turn off your N900 first, and wait for at least 15 seconds before taking the battery out. Un-graceful shutdowns will lead to stale NFS handles and requiring fsck.15:14
LithdkYeah I read about that15:15
Lithdkphew, it's booting up15:16
psycho_oreosIf I remember correctly, after holding power button down and watching the white LED slowly diminishing. When the white LED doesn't become visible, you may take the battery out (if you're in a hurry) but its not recommended as the device will try to enter into ACT_DEAD state.15:17
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: If I remember correctly, after holding power button down and watching the white LED slowly diminishing. When the white LED doesn't become visible, you may take the battery out (if you're in a hurry) but its not recommended as the device will try to enter ...15:17
kerioto do usb networking, ignore that crap actually15:17
kerioinstall libicd-network-usb15:17
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: If I remember correctly, after holding power button down and watching the white LED slowly fading. When the white LED doesn't become visible, you may take the battery out (if you're in a hurry) but its not recommended as the device will try to enter into ...15:17
psycho_oreoso.O so w.m.o. needs updating.15:18
Lithdkand lost all my contacts :P15:18
psycho_oreosYou should be able to import them from SIM or via bluetooth.15:18
kerioconnect in pc-suite mode, enable forwarding with dhcp on the pc side, and then connect via Internet Connection dialog15:18
psycho_oreosThat's been made redundant with libicd-network-usb kerio?15:19
Lithdkgot one contact on my sim card :P "Dad"15:19
psycho_oreoshaha :D one down, many to go.15:19
psycho_oreosLike I said you can sync contacts via bluetooth. If your old phone was a nokia you can setup sync accounts and do it through there.15:20
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LithdkMy old phone doesnt have bluetooth15:20
psycho_oreosOuch :/15:20
LithdkI dont even think it has infrared :P This is my first smartphone15:20
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kerioaren't they on your sim?15:20
psycho_oreosI guess the only way is to make your old phone dump all your contacts to SIM, then migrate that SIM to your N900 and import (again) from there.15:21
Wizzupyou can probably have the phone export them to the sim card15:21
LithdkI was one of those "Yeah okay but I only need to call and text people-duh"15:21
Wizzupand then import from sim on n90015:21
WizzupI never had any luck with the bluetooth sync15:21
Wizzupeven with two nokia phones15:21
psycho_oreosWeird, mine was almost perfect. This was awhile ago with n95-1 and N900.15:21
LithdkI dont really need the contacts, had a lot of people I needed to clean out anyway15:21
Wizzupmine was an old nokia phone15:21
psycho_oreosQuestion is how old lol.15:22
psycho_oreosMine would have been circa 2005 or so.15:22
LithdkWhen was 3510i released?15:22
psycho_oreosLithdk, or you can clean them out on your old phone, then export the rest to your SIM card and then migrate that SIM card to your N900.15:22
psycho_oreosnfi lol, sometime in 1990ish?15:23
kerionfi obviously meaning "no faintest idea"15:23
psycho_oreos ---> 2002 it states.15:23
psycho_oreosRather I like to think of it as no ********** idea or no fudging idea :D15:24
psycho_oreosHoly cow, looking at the specs of 3510i and comparing it with N900, its a huge jump.15:24
LithdkIndeed it is. But 3510i was their first color phone :P it was amazing at the time15:25
psycho_oreosThe only other connectivity available was GPRS. I can't imagine any fun sending contacts using that (let alone if it would ever work easily or not).15:25
psycho_oreosThe keyword here was "was" :)15:26
psycho_oreosI think around 2002 I had some Ericsson phone. Can't quite remember the model name of it.15:28
LithdkWhy do people password protect their wireless, makes me hate my neighbours15:28
psycho_oreosImpersonation, abuse, etc.15:29
Lava_Croftsome countries have laws that state if people use your wifi for criminal acts, you are responsible15:30
psycho_oreosI password protect mine as well.. and its also hidden.15:30
Lava_Croft(read: germany)15:30
LithdkHow about neighbourly love and compasion?15:30
LithdkDang that's crazy15:30
Lava_Croftask them?15:30
psycho_oreosYeah the best way is to ask, if you don't have your own.15:30
LithdkSo if someone uses aircrack and use your wireless for criminal acts you are responsible?15:30
Lava_Croftthats different15:30
psycho_oreosIt'll be hard to track though. You (as the owner) could simply say that you were not responsible for criminal acts and that you have taken appropriate steps to ensure your network is secured. They'll just need to try and triangulate the culprit.15:32
psycho_oreosAlso there's another tool, aircrack-ng would be handy for one way. There's another one that specifically deals with the vulnerable WPS issue.15:33
LithdkSo apperantly I can use the internet without a dataplan :s I just clicked on the "facebook"-icon and it connected me15:36
* psycho_oreos also recalls Germany is also very strict on security professionals. There was an article which mentioned,"Hacking ist verboten". In English that would roughly be translated that hacking is forbidden.15:37
Lithdkdesktop version of facebook though15:37
LithdkI know, Im from Denmark. Forced to learn german in school15:37
psycho_oreosYour provider may allow you to use it but becareful, they may try and charge you because you did not want to have dataplan or whatever.15:38
psycho_oreosAhh, that's somewhat one of the cool things of living in EU I suppose, people from there are virtually all polyglots.15:38
LithdkWell from what I heard trying to set up the data plan on the phone Im getting a new sim and a new account on their website which means I need to use the 50$ I got on my old account pretty quickly15:38
LithdkYeah. Everyone from the north understands german, if they understand german they also understand a little dutch, if they are from scandinavia they understand danish, swedish and norwegian and everybody speaks english15:39
LjL-Alpsi'm not really sure "everyone from the north" understands german...15:40
psycho_oreosI'm not sure with how your provider works, but where I live (in Australia) telco companies would love to charge you for whatever you access and that it was not covered on your plan.15:40
LithdkOh this is not a monthly bill company. I set up an account, pay a fee for that and then I choose a plan (or no plan) and I just put up money whenever my  account reaches 015:41
psycho_oreosSo it sort of works like a pre-paid SIM I guess.15:41
LithdkMy brother uses his phone so little he doesnt use any plan and basically pays less than 2$ a month, so he just put up 500$ and he's good for a while15:41
psycho_oreosThat's not too bad, then I guess in your case you have $50 to use on whatever you want, maybe even internet from your N900.15:42
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Lithdkindeed. So Im gonna get rootsh and cssu. I just go to the and click on the install buttons, yeah?15:42
psycho_oreosDid you flash your N900 yet? if not maybe you can take a peek around what the seller may have left (if you want) and then flash it before installing CSSU. This way you start with virtually a "clean slate".15:44
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Lithdkyeah but it seems like he has left nothing.15:44
LithdkAlso I had to set locale, time and date so I dont think he did anything to it tbh15:44
LithdkI've looked around. Want me to ls something?15:44
psycho_oreosThen I guess you could use mass storage mode, and on PC, dd the N900's exported partition and dump it on PC. Run filecarver or something >:D15:45
psycho_oreosOf course you'll need 29+GB of space. 29GB for the dd'ed image and filecarver in case anything crops up.15:46
Lithdkdoesnt DD delete everything in a partition?15:46
psycho_oreosYes, it all depends on how you use it. There's an in file and a out file.15:46
psycho_oreosSay if you "dd if=/dev/sdb of=~/dump.img", it'll dump the contents of /dev/sdb into ~/dump.img. If you "dd if=~/dump.img of=/dev/sdb" it will do the opposite.15:47
psycho_oreosThe in and out file makes the judgement as to what dd ultimately does.15:48
psycho_oreos/dev/zero = zero output.. do that with dd and you'll be dumping zeroes, /dev/urandom = random (entropy) output.. do that with dd and you'll be dumping random stuff.15:49
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psycho_oreosNice handy devfs stuff, handy for many things.15:50
psycho_oreos/dev/null -> null output or nothing.. goes into bottomless "black hole".15:50
Lithdksudo gainroot "enable RD mode if you want to break your device" ?15:50
psycho_oreosYeah that's one way of enabling root access, but the other is installing rootsh iinm.15:51
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Lithdkyeah but what is RD mode?15:51
psycho_oreosI wouldn't recommend enabling R&D mode for everyday use, but if you want to experiment or if you (like me) want to see fancy stuff, you can leave R&D mode on.15:52
psycho_oreosResearch and Development, makes the system be more verbose. From using keyboard LED lights to tell you which part of the PCB chipset is busy or not and more verbose output at nokia boot screen.15:52
keriodid anyone try airbase-ng yet?15:53
psycho_oreosIt has to be enabled via flasher (and iinm linux only).15:53
psycho_oreoskerio, I believe someone did when trying to get AP mode on N900.15:53
psycho_oreosI can't quite remember the handle though.15:54
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Lithdkthe rootsh app on says it doesnt need R&D mode, and I think I've installed it15:54
psycho_oreosIf you have installed it, then simply typing "root" into X-Terminal should give you root prompt. Though yes you don't need R&D mode enabled to install rootsh, hence that's what rootsh is for.15:55
psycho_oreosErr for enabling root console, not for enabling R&D mode.15:56
LithdkOoooh. I thought clicking the "install" on via the webbrowser was enough to install the program15:56
Lithdkappears I have to go into the application manager15:56
psycho_oreosYup, and normally in Application Manager will tell you that you have chosen to install foo.15:56
psycho_oreosApplication Manager is also known as HAM (which is short for Hildon Application Manager).15:57
LithdkSo have to I install cssu? I clicked the install button on for the stable same way I did with roothsh, so it's probably not installed15:57
Lithdkhow do I*15:57
psycho_oreosI think installing CSSU from the website requires you in HAM to enable that repository. Once you accept it, you will need to tell HAM to update (though HAM should tell you if there's newer updates available by then).15:58
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* psycho_oreos grabs his N900 to check exactly what Install does for rootsh from website.15:59
LithdkThings are so much simpler with apt-get16:00
psycho_oreosYeah you could also do it with apt-get for packages like rootsh. Not for CSSU though as it has its own repository, and its own list of files that HAM needs to install. Besides HAM is the recommended way of updating CSSU.16:01
keriopsycho_oreos: rootsh is an awful package16:01
kerioif it was uploaded nowadays, the maintainer would be shot16:01
psycho_oreoskerio, so is there a better alternative? :)16:01
kerio...alternative for what?16:02
keriohaving root?16:02
kerioinstalling openssh will make you add a password16:02
psycho_oreosrootsh of course. Or root console.16:02
keriofor root16:02
kerioat that point you can just ssh root@localhost16:02
psycho_oreosHmm true.16:02
keriothen set your sudoers file maybe16:02
kerio*a* sudoers file16:03
kerioin /etc/sudoers.d/16:03
keriothen run update-sudoers16:03
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psycho_oreosWhat if the user doesn't want openSSH? :D16:04
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psycho_oreosI can agree rootsh is an ugly hack, no doubt but it doesn't have that extra bulk.16:05
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psycho_oreosI also recall catorise-plus requires rootsh package. It depends on root binary.16:06
keriothat's a whole another bag of bullshit16:06
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keriopiping commands to a shellscript is ***NOT*** how you're supposed to do stuff16:07
kerioadd your own file in sudoers.d for the commands you need to run as root16:07
keriodon't rely on a security flaw introduced by a badly-packaged piece of crap16:07
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psycho_oreos /bin/busybox sh -c "echo /opt/catorise/catorise|root"16:08
psycho_oreosHeh, nonetheless there's no new maintainers for catoriseplus.16:08
Lithdkfound a video guide on installing CSSU16:09
Lithdkexclamation marks flashing next to battery?16:10
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psycho_oreosI think you are referring to those yellow coloured square box with exclamation mark inside?16:11
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* jaska giggles at piping commands to root16:12
LithdkI think it's just there when running commands16:12
keriobesides, rootsh violates maemo invariants16:12
psycho_oreosThat's to tell you there's updates available. You can see it from the drop down menu. Once you click on the new updates in the drop down menu it'll launch Application Manager which will then prompt you the rest of update process.16:12
kerionamely, that sudo gainroot will check for rdmode16:13
* psycho_oreos doesn't know what other programs also pipes command to root. catoriseplus is one of them already16:13
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Lithdkopera mobile from maemo vs the standard web browser that ships with the phone16:20
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LjL-Alpsis my impression accurate, that on Maemo any package you install can do basically anything it likes on the system by just being root, without even having to inform the user? i guess if so, that's "open" but very different from how other mobile OS handle security...16:38
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Lava_Croftbecause having to click through a dialog window is security16:51
SpeedEvilLjL-Alps: basically16:52
SpeedEvilMaemo security is generally in principle that the apps are usually open source16:53
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SpeedEvilIt is unfortunately not adequate for mass distribution - without at least employing someone to actually vet the code.16:54
SpeedEvilThere weren't any major problems basically as nobody tried to do anything very naughty.16:54
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Lithdk:P This phone is awesome17:05
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LithdkBeen using it as a remote for my TV now, from 3 meters distance. Considering going down to a TV store and go crazy17:06
Lava_Croftwelcome to the 90s!17:07
Lava_Croftwhen you had watches with IR17:07
Lithdk:P I didn't have that in the 90's17:07
Lithdkalthough there seems to be a problem with the camera after I installed MBarcode. If I dont open the camera in the right sequence it wont focus17:08
Lava_Crofti use that17:09
Lava_Croftopen lens hatch -> select app to use17:09
Lava_Croftn900 has two-state camera button17:09
Lava_Crofthalf-press it to focus17:09
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LithdkKnew about the two-state button but nifty app there17:10
Souravkerio: hi17:11
quackquacknot online17:11
Souravkerio I did battery calbration as told by Pali but now everytime it displays  50% even when I charged 5 min ago17:13
keriolet's try something17:13
keriosudo modprobe -r rx51-battery17:13
Souravdid it17:15
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quackquackhi Pali17:18
quackquacki was looking for you.17:18
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quackquackcan you check your pm Pali17:19
Pali~seen brkn17:20
infobotbrkn <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 80d 18h 19m 48s ago, saying: 'ping received xD'.17:20
Pali~seen brkn_away17:20
infobotPali: i haven't seen 'brkn_away'17:20
Pali~seen brknaway17:20
infobotPali: i haven't seen 'brknaway'17:20
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Lava_Crofthah, second modprobe -r rx51-battery of the day17:22
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ccxCZwhat do I need to do to build stuff for N900? I want to install mpd on it17:27
LjL-AlpsLava_Croft, Android's security isn't stellar if that's what you're referring to, but at least, given apps can't really have root easily, you can't, say, physically damage the device or other "huge" things, and furthermore, while the "permissions dialog" is just a dialog, the permissions themselves can, if one is so inclined, be modified to actually prevent apps from doing stuff17:31
LjL-Alpsand Android aside, other mobile OS's have stricter security systems, sometimes *too* strict in my opinion, but as SpeedEvil says, i'm not sure something like Maemo's system could work for "mass distribution". most apps are open source, sure, but those that are not could do anything17:33
SpeedEvilSomething like Aegis is probably the right way. But not with the same policy.17:34
Lava_Croftwell, the n900 was never meant as a mass-market device anyway:)17:34
SpeedEvilFor example - one nokia repo with the existing permissions - fine.17:34
Lava_Croftyeah, Aegis-like is the way to go17:34
SpeedEvilBut a 'community' repo with similar permissions.17:35
SpeedEvilAnd the option to install programs locally.17:35
jaskaand 100% owner override.17:35
SpeedEvilAndroids main problem security wise - well - one of them - is that almost every single app wants internet permission to show ads.17:36
SpeedEvilSo 5/6 of the top calculator apps have all the permissions needed to start scanning your network at 3AM and spamming.17:36
LjL-Alpsheh yeah17:36
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil, i think i still don't have it clear what Aegis is and does. apparently it's something that checks that the source code's abilities somehow "match" the binary's abilities? but then what about closed source programs? to me, the sanest thing seems to be something like Android *but* with permissiosn that can actually be *set* by the user17:38
SpeedEvilA couple of parts.17:38
jaskahmm.. some android mod distro has that17:38
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jaskai mean, user control over perm17:38
SpeedEvilAegis has a manifest - which is automatically generated at build time (mostly).17:38
jaskai forget what its name is.. dont use android outside work17:38
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SpeedEvilThis means that all the things the app can do are listed in the manifest. If it tries to do something not in the manifest - you get an error.17:39
LjL-Alpsjaska: yes, CyanogenMod can do that (i have it installed), however, since that's not "standard" in Android, many apps react badly to denied permissions, and crash17:39
SpeedEvilThe second part of aegis is various kernel mods to do stuff like signature verification, secure storage, and keeping track of the system calls a aprocess is permitted.17:40
LjL-Alpsjaska: now there is some new thing, apparently, that just requires root and can sneakily deny permissions by giving apps fake data. a bit hackish, but probably effective17:40
jaskai guess one could make mock permissions :)17:40
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil: hm that sounds like Android except with the manifest being generated automatically17:40
SpeedEvilLjL-Alps: To a degree, yes. With somewhat different design choices.17:40
SpeedEvilLjL-Alps: And hte limits being a the kernel level - as it's running native code - not the JVM level17:41
* SpeedEvil doesn't understand how NDK code works on android.17:41
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil: i guess generating the manifest automatically could let them use more granularity without making it a chore for the developer. but with too much granularity, what happens when the user has to click "ok" to a 10-pages-long dialog? actually, how is the user dealt with by Aegis?17:41
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SpeedEvilThat part falls over.17:42
SpeedEvilThe user basically gets a capability list, and can accept or not.17:42
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil: me neither, but let's just ignore the fact NDK apps can probably bypass permissions, and concentrate on how it's *supposed* to be :P17:42
LjL-Alpsagain same as Android then17:42
SpeedEvilThere is no way for the user to block certain permissions - or explanation behind those permissions.17:42
SpeedEvilIf you're going to use something like Aegis - you need to back it up with app scrutiny.17:43
SpeedEvilIf, for example, you don't mention on your intro page - or feature list that you need GPS - and you request GPS permission - denied.17:43
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SpeedEvilIf you require internet permission (which should be seprate from ad permission) - and there is no reason for it - denied.17:44
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil: yeah well i don't really like centralized app scrutiny (Symbian or iOS style) though. but i think with Android (and probably Aegis?), even making it compulsory to have a, say, 30-words natural language explanation for each capability required would go a long way towards user awareness17:44
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LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil: or it could be made community-based, like the community would "mark" apps as "worrisome" if they ask for some permissions they don't justify adequately17:45
SpeedEvilCentralised app scrutiny - with the ability to install your own apps from files without limits - or the abiloity to add community repos17:45
SpeedEvilOr it works like extras does - with sane people looking at the apps and promoting them.17:45
SpeedEvilI think I approved >100 apps - then I kinda stalled.17:46
SpeedEvil(For extras)17:46
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil: although... it's easy to request many permissions for "legitimate" reasons (i want your contacts SO I CAN ADD THEM!, i want your sms SO I CAN AUTOMATE SOME THINGS!, i want internet BUT JUST FOR ADS!), and then sneakily *also* use them for less obvious reasons, and how are we going to deal with that if we don't get source code? ever?17:46
SpeedEvil(Well, upvoted, not technically approved)17:46
SpeedEvilI agree, that's an issue.17:47
SpeedEvilAnd you do what you can.17:47
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil: yeah that's a sort of community thing like i was describing - but in Maemo's case, it worked based on open source17:47
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SpeedEvilThe right solution has intelligent people that will scrutinise the sourcecode of an app, and generate a report, add it to the main repo - or not - and throw a copy in 'bad' repo too.17:48
SpeedEvilBut that unfortunately requires a prohibitive amount of funding17:48
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil: i think one way i'd like would be 1) asking the user about things granularly ("this app wants to connect to the internet. let it? [x] Remember this choice")    2) and since the "remember this choice" has to be there for practical reasons, the ability to LOOK AT LOGS, i.e. the user should be able to see a well-presented summary of what apps connected to and what SMS they sent and what they generally did17:49
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SpeedEvilThis gets hard though.17:51
SpeedEvilFor example - you want to seperate 'internet' from 'same origin' probably.17:51
SpeedEvilI care lots less about a process that can't read my files connecting the owners server than connecting to the general interent17:52
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil: not sure it's what you're saying, but this reminds me, there's also issues of combined permissions. can read my contacts? that's fine, since you can't connect to the internet to send them anywhere. can connect to the internet? that's fine since you can't read my contacts. hehe and now i'm thinking about some crazy stuff like in-app "namespace separation" (for lack of a better term)17:54
LjL-Alpsas in, you can read my contacts, *and* you can connect to the internet, but you can't start using an internet-related call with contacts-related parameters17:54
LjL-Alpsat this point i'm just imagining things though17:54
SpeedEvilThat gets almost prohibitively hard.17:54
LjL-Alpsyeah, probably17:55
SpeedEvilTrying to secure data between halves of a process, when the process wants them is an almost impossible thing.17:55
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil: well when you think of it as a single process being denied access to its own data - i agree it's not feasible. but usually, with these mobile things, the way it's been done is to change the model. like, on Android, to let me multitask "sanely", developers have had to separate the foreground part to the service/background part17:56
souravluke-Jr you also reported the same thing17:56
SpeedEvilLjL-Alps: Not quite that - even if the processes are nominally seperate 'processes' - they are still the same app - written by the same developer. Trying to stop them sharing data is hard.17:57
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil: so maybe several threads, or even completely separate processes that can only intercommunicate through narrowly controlled channels, could each have access to some resources but not others17:57
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil: hmm17:57
SpeedEvilLjL-Alps: For example, if you can monitor CPU usage, or RAM usage - that's a trivial leak17:58
SpeedEvilIt may be a slow way to ttransfer data, but it works17:58
SpeedEvilThe national grid in the UK reports generation capacity on a megawatt resolution at 5 min intervals.17:59
SpeedEvilI can, with a kettle, and enough time - send signals through this17:59
LjL-AlpsSpeedEvil: you have a point. still, one way or another, i'm convinced on mobile devices, a much higher degree of data isolation is required (even though sure, if you're one developer it's easier for you to make two of your apps talk, so that's a slightly different case).18:01
LjL-Alpsin any case, even though we might not like being denied access to some data file from a given app because it's not its files... this sort of thing is necessary in my opinion18:02
SpeedEvilIf it's the users decision18:02
LjL-Alpsi'm sure it could be handled much better (as in, less obnoxious) than Android or other guys do, though18:02
SpeedEvilFiles gfoing away is retarded.18:02
SpeedEvilApp A saves file.18:03
SpeedEvilThe only way to get that file into app B is to upload it to online sharing service and redownload18:03
LjL-Alpsah that's totally idiotic18:03
LjL-Alpsi guess the problem is, these genuine security concerns get mixed with control-over-the-user and DRM "concerns"18:04
LjL-Alpsso while you could easily offer a regulated "Export to app B" standard feature, you don't because PIRACY18:04
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Lava_Croftmost evil is ovi store on harmattan18:08
Lava_Croftwhere after downloading an app you bought 10 times, you are out of 'luck'18:08
Lava_Croftdownloading it 10 times, after you bought it18:08
Lava_Croftthe 11th download requires to re-purchase18:08
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psycho_oreosNo DRM is as insane as sony's SCMS.18:21
Lava_Crofthave you used a nokia 551018:22
Lava_Croftit had drm that required to convert my mp3 files to files of a different type, with the exact same size18:22
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psycho_oreosNo, but n95-1 gave me the ********.18:22
psycho_oreosEverything had to be signed, everything. Even if you disable checking, a program cannot be installed without a certificate.18:23
Lava_Croftoh man, it needs a 266mhz pentium cpu18:23
Lava_Croftgood times18:23
Lava_Croftah, LockStream18:24
Lava_Croftthat was the 5510 drm18:24
Lava_Croftit was a really good system, you would get mp3's off the internet and the nokia DRM magic would convert them18:25
Lava_Croftno clue why, since it didnt work as you expect DRM to work anyway18:25
Lava_Crofti guess the idea was to be unable to convert em back to mp3/aac18:25
psycho_oreosYou can still rip music at 1x rate even if they won't allow you to convert it through quicker means. This whole thing reminds me similar to how NetMD worked, alas NetMD was just a walkman type recorder/player that plays MD instead.18:27
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psycho_oreosIf you had to reinstall your windows when you have ripped music through OpenMG, you would no longer be able to play them. Importing them back from NetMD? for each track you do, the program automatically erases that track without giving you the song back. Do that to the entire disc? disc is wiped clean.18:28
psycho_oreosVery effective indeed. Effective enough to piss users off including a self-named DJ.18:29
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psycho_oreosThe case here with LockStream is remarkably similar.18:31
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psycho_oreoshehe, a measly 64MB phone. Probably enough to fit around an audio disc or two before the memory is filled up.18:37
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Souravanyone can I revert back to nokia-bme19:10
Lava_Croftpsycho_oreos: at audio casette quality, yes19:14
psycho_oreosLava_Croft, better that than none :)19:16
Lava_Crofthence why i got the 5510:)19:16
psycho_oreosOh wait you mean for 64MB storage, heh yeah.. though you can't fit much at good quality.19:16
Lava_Croftn900 is 96gb in total19:17
Lava_Croftall flac <319:17
psycho_oreosI personally would hate to own one. NetMD ordeal has made me loathe Sory for eternity.19:17
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psycho_oreosThat sorta makes me wonder if its possible to swap out the eMMC for 64GB variant. There was a guy pondering about it on TMO (or rather a wishful thought), though I recall these limitations maybe hardcoded into the firmware/X-Loader or something.19:19
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psycho_oreosI also love how a directory appears in lost+found/: s--DiadAcjI----- ./#98980219:21
ecc3gif it's nothing you want, you can delete it...19:21
ecc3gif you can't delete it, it needs to be fscked again.19:22
ecc3gif it still cant be deleted... uh oh.19:23
kerioSourav: eeh, it should work19:23
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Lava_Croftmodprobe -r didnt work for him?19:25
psycho_oreosecc3g, I've tried fscking it about 2-3 times. In the end I used chattr on it and removed it. Now I have another file with all these exotic attr "tags".19:26
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r00t^homepsycho_oreos: yay for random filesystem metadata...19:29
r00t^homeever entered 'ls' and got a screen full of funny colored gibberish instead of the expected file listing?19:30
psycho_oreoshaha, I think I may have seen something similar.19:32
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psycho_oreosFiles with excessively large size, files with weird names that doesn't make sense, etc.19:32
Lava_Croftisnt that windows territory19:34
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psycho_oreosIsn't what is windows territory? what I said or what r00t^home said?19:38
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* psycho_oreos decides to shift storage to google drive (LOL).19:39
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Lava_Croftweird filenames19:40
Lava_Croftfilesystem borkedness19:40
psycho_oreosI think I have had similar experiences under linux so I wouldn't really say its windows specific :)19:43
Lava_Croftyeah but you arent supposed to talk bad about linux19:44
Lava_Croftthe rule is that you talk bad about windows so you dont have to fix linux problems19:44
Lava_Croftdont ruin it now19:44
* Lava_Croft chuckles19:44
psycho_oreosHaha yes, linux is *so perfect* :P19:45
Lava_Croftno its not, but the rest is less perfect!~19:45
Lava_Croft(linux user logic)19:45
Lava_Croftok, linux nerd logic19:45
Lava_Croftlinux users arent that bad:)19:45
psycho_oreosMore like biased linux logic :p19:46
Lava_Croftthats what the linux world is made up of, mostly19:46
Lava_Croftthey are much closer to applefans than they would want:)19:46
psycho_oreosNo that's what the entire human population is based on. "biasness".19:47
Lava_Croftwindows users just possible cant be like that, given how windows is19:47
Lava_Croftand they know it19:47
Lava_Croftyou cant keep your eyes dry and windows rocks because X or Y19:47
Lava_Croftand say*19:47
psycho_oreosYes when one gets emotional that can happen lol.19:48
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* psycho_oreos is starting to sound a bit like "bit" from Tron (the movie).19:49
quackquackoh no.19:51
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LithdkAnyone got any experience with BlueMaemo?20:09
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Lava_Croftsometimes i want to smack my n9 for its horrible onscreen keyboard20:17
Lava_Croftbut just before i crack open the shell, i realize this is still the best onscreen keyboard20:17
Lava_Croftand i stroke it20:17
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LithdkAfter I installed opera the stock browser wont open. It loads and then just goes to desktop.20:26
Lava_Croftthey have nothing to do with each other20:26
LithdkProbably just need to reboot20:27
Lithdkand Halleluja it's working again20:28
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LithdkI so need a wireless router so I can make love to my 60/60 connection20:35
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brolin_empeyLithdk: If you use Windows 7 or later, you can use Connectify Lite to create a software Wireless LAN Access Point.21:44
LithdkIm on linux mint21:44
LithdkBut I have no means of connecting wirelessly to my computer from my phone either, gonna go get a bluetooth dongle for it tommorow, and maybe a wireless router21:45
brolin_empeyLithdk: On GNU/Linux, you can use hostapd to create a software Wireless LAN Access Point.21:45
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Lithdk@brolin_empey to use either of those my computer needs a wireless adapter and mine doesn't have that as it's a stationary. Could set it up on my laptop though, but still need to run a cable to my laptop then as I dont have wireless in my apartment.21:51
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_jester_hello world21:56
ApicHi Outer Space.21:57
_jester_and immediatly im recognized as an alien22:02
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_jester_this is not a good disguise22:02
quackquacklive long and prosper.22:02
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brolin_empeyPali: I have finally patched dm9601.c to backport all of the product entries added since the 2.6.28 kernel.  How should I run diff to create a patch file?  I mean which diff options do you prefer?22:09
brolin_empeyLithdk: So get a Wireless LAN adapter for your desktop computer.22:10
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LithdkWould just be easier to get a wireless router. That way I can use my laptop too and my friends dont have to bring their own ethernet cables22:12
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brolin_empeyLithdk: If you get a USB Wireless LAN adapter, you can mount it as high as possible to increase the Wireless LAN coverage.22:15
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Lithdkuhh intriguing22:15
Lithdkgotta look into that, thanks for the advise22:16
kerioLithdk: buy a router from mikrotik, they're good22:17
brolin_empeyLithdk: What type of Internetwork connectivity does your apartment have?  DSL or coaxial cable?22:18
Lithdksec :P let me research that22:19
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Lithdkthey call it "fiber"22:20
Lithdk60 up and 60 down22:20
kerioso... a black box with an ethernet cable coming out of it?22:20
Lithdkwhite box but yea22:21
keriocool, you don't even need an integrated modem in your router22:21
kerioblack doesn't really refer to the color22:21
keriorather, to its secretiveness22:21
LithdkI just need a router that has wifi and can run those high speeds22:22
kerioanyway, get something from mikrotik or something that runs openwrt fine22:22
brolin_empeyLithdk: Is your desktop computer connected directly to the Ethernet port on your white box?22:22
keriojesus, i expect my router to push much, much more than 60mbits22:22
keriohow are you going to transfer data to and from your NAS?22:23
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LithdkI dont have a NAS22:24
LithdkI do have a old school switchbox however when friends come over22:24
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brolin_empeyLithdk: If you got an Ethernet switch, a Wireless LAN adapter, and an Ethernet adapter, you could use your desktop computer as both a wired gateway for your wired LAN and as a Wireless LAN Access Point.22:26
keriodon't be silly22:26
LithdkOr I could get a router with wireless, printer output and a 1TB HDD22:26
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kerioget a dreamplug and a 1tb hdd instead!22:29
brolin_empeyLithdk: Or you could get a computer printer with Ethernet connectivity so you do not need a separate print server.22:31
kerioand you have to keep a computer on at all times22:32
LithdkAlready have a printer, no ethernet connectivity22:32
LithdkJust USB, so the 1 USB in that link isn't gonna suffice if I also need a storage server22:33
LithdkIm actually pretty satisfied with this phone, though the kickstand sucks22:34
* brolin_empey has a 2-TB 2.5-inch HDD. Not 3.5-inch. 2.5-inch drives need only 5 volts so they can be used as a bus-powered USB Mass Storage device.22:37
Lithdkwouldnt running "echo 30 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness" change the swappiness of my device?22:38
Lithdkas root22:38
brolin_empeyLithdk: You can use an external USB hub if the root USB hub has only 1 external port.22:39
LithdkOh yeah22:39
Lava_CroftLithdk: swappolube22:42
Lava_Crofthandy ui for the swap settings, it has a wiki page i guess22:43
LithdkYeah I just figured it out. Some guy on the forum just told me to run the command as root. I dont use swap on my own PC, has tons of ram, so just needed to research it22:43
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Lava_Crofti have swap on microsd card22:49
Lava_Croftand use flopswap22:49
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LithdkAnyone has any links on microSDHC card for n900 I have to read before buying one?22:53
Lava_CroftI think flopswap is the best solution for end users22:54
Lava_Croftim an end user myself, so hah22:55
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Lithdk40 euro for a 32g microSDHC class 4?22:56
Lava_Croftcould be22:56
Lava_Crofti have a 64gb one that i dug up somewhere22:56
Lava_Croftno clue what it cost22:56
Lava_Crofthigher class cards are faster i guess, meaning swap on sd might perform faster22:57
Lava_Croftbut i have no clue if this is actually noticable22:57
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Lithdkflopswap seems pretty easy to use22:59
LithdkI just read that a lot of manufactorers are blurring out the line between class 4 and 1022:59
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sixwheeledbeastLava_Croft: I think so too. It is designed for "end-users"23:04
sixwheeledbeastGenerally people have seen better speeds from small cards. Well for swap use anyway, it the random write speed that's important.23:06
Lava_Crofti guess in the end you barely notice any difference23:06
Lava_Croftin normal uyse23:07
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Lithdkhaha I just discovered that I have used around 100 dollars on internet on my mobile because I dont have a data plan yet. I've just gone crazy thinking that 35 dollars would last a while, but my phone company has my credit card info and "refuels" whenever I reach 023:47
Lithdk100 dollars in the span off 2 hours actually23:48
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SpeedEvilcell phone companies are bastards23:58
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