IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2013-08-11

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keriowhat's quassel2go?00:27
keriolooks like an ugly IRC client00:28
LjL-AlpsQuassel is a very popular IRC client these days (for Linux and especially KDE users at least)00:34
LjL-AlpsQuassel2Go, not sure00:34
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gryLjL-Alps: mobile client thing for quassel (you have to have quassel core running for it somewhere, it's not standalone)01:09
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Lava_Croftquassel is a nice alternative for irssi proxy10:10
Lava_Croftbut you end up using irssi anyway10:10
kerioznc+xchat ftw10:10
Lava_Croftyeah need a gui to display text10:10
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kerioon a really small screen? yes10:11
kerioosso-xterm only gets readable at 79x25 (when fullscreen)10:11
kerioshit's small, yo10:11
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Lava_Croft99x20 here10:11
Lava_Croftworks fine10:11
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Lava_Croftanyhow, irc clients is like discussing linux distros10:12
Lava_Croftyou end up comparing thing you dont want to compare in public10:12
Lava_Crofti have a social standing to adhere to10:12
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Luke-JrLava_Croft: why would you end up using irssi?10:36
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Lava_Crofti can acess it from anywhere10:41
Lava_Croftwithout needing an xserver orso10:41
Lava_Crofti can use ssh or its builtin proxy to access it10:41
Lava_Croftalthough the builtin proxy isnt that great10:41
Lava_Croft is a good starting point, Luke-Jr10:43
Luke-Jrpoint of a handheld is you always have an X server <.<10:43
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Lava_Crofti dont want or need x to display text10:52
Lava_Crofti need x for displaying graphics etc10:52
Lava_Crofti could connect to my irssi session using xchat, but thats just horrible on n9010:53
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Lava_Crofti left cookie experiment running10:57
Lava_Croftturn on monitor and see:
Lava_CroftNow I try to unsee10:58
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Palifreemangordon: look at last mail about rx51 thumb errata11:04
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kerioPali: on lkml?11:49
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kerioPali: link to
PaliI do not have link now12:02
Palifreemangordon got mail to mailbox12:03
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psycho_oreos -- From a simple google search.12:24
psycho_oreos -- Almost a month ago, from Dave in re: RX-51 thumb errata.12:26
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keriopsycho_oreos: a recent email, i thought13:16
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psycho_oreoskerio, *shrugs* that's as recent as the last time google's spider bot went crawling through.13:46
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ShapeshifterWhat do you guys think of the ubuntu edge?15:34
jon_ywhat so edgy about it?15:36
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Lava_Croftedge is ugly15:51
Lava_Croftand i dont want the worst of two worlds: androind and ubuntu15:51
Lava_Croftunholy convergence15:51
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jon_yLava_Croft: like 90s edgy superheroes? :)16:16
Lava_Crofti've never been into superheos16:16
Lava_Croftim not a religious man16:16
Lava_Croftarent the superheros these days edgier?16:17
Lava_Croftthey all have some kind of dark background and scary secret16:17
Lava_Croftthey are all tormented, no matter if its peter parker or wolverine16:17
jon_yLava_Croft: the 90s, it was edgy for the sake of edgy16:17
jon_ygiant muscles and guns and drugs16:18
jon_yand it was bad16:18
Lava_Croftoh, thjat16:18
Lava_Croftyou mean ACTIO heros16:18
Lava_Croftlike the american action heros16:18
Lava_Crofttoday you have movies like The Expendables for that16:19
* Lava_Croft coughs16:19
jon_ythe title cover says it all16:19
Lava_Croftoh my16:20
Lava_Croftyou made me remember why i didnt lik comics16:20
Lava_Croftim born in '8116:20
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jon_yyeah, the comics code died and everyone wanted in on the new edgy stuff16:20
Lava_Croftim a born and bred bookreader16:21
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LauRomanany other app usefull for acessing n900 filesystem over wifi other than remote multi drive?16:38
Lava_Croftscp, sftp16:39
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jon_ysshfs is bog standard16:45
jon_yI wish all the devices would do that instead of doing some funny payware16:45
LauRomani found an smb server for n900 that's easier for me to use than ssh and i guess i'll use that :)16:54
keriodon't be silly16:54
kerioconfiguring samba is a pain in the ass16:54
LauRomannot one that has a gui :)16:55
* kerio doesn't get it16:56
keriosftp is already configured16:56
keriothere's literally nothing to do to use it except typing in your password16:56
kerioor using a keyfile16:57
DocScrutinizer05typing password? DUH17:01
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kerioohai doc17:02
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DocScrutinizer05there's also sftp://root@bp  and sftp://root@t900 bookmarks17:06
DocScrutinizer05smb/cifs, blaergh!17:06
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LauRomanso if i use sftp could i also login as root and copy files from the /home or /opt folder?17:08
LauRomanif so than that's way better17:09
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you're a (KIO)slave to your GUI >:(17:09
DocScrutinizer05all files/dirs in that konqueror window are exactly like local files17:09
kerio(and yeah, i'm bitter cuz os x can't do sftp://)17:10
DocScrutinizer05I even can open files in kwrite/kate for editing, compress them in Ark, copy them from one remote device to another one, e.g. directly from my N900 to, etc17:11
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keriosshfs can do that too17:11
DocScrutinizer05but sshfs/fuse you need to mount17:12
DocScrutinizer05hard to do that inside a bookmark17:12
kerio...i wonder if there's an "autosshfs" fuse filesystem17:12
DocScrutinizer05my n900 files are literally 3 mousclicks away17:12
keriono REAL man would ever use a mouse17:13
DocScrutinizer05one for opening bookmark menu, one for bookmark, one on the file17:13
kerioclicking on the bookmark qualifies as mounting :P17:13
DocScrutinizer05if I place the N900 sftp:// bookmark into menu-bar it's only 2 mouseclicks17:13
keriodoes kde actually do mounts or is it all virtual KIO stuff?17:13
keriokinda neat, but it only works with kde stuff :c17:14
DocScrutinizer05though I guess you can do similar tricks even on windoze with PuTTY17:14
DocScrutinizer05or whatever you use for sftp there17:15
jon_ywindows has filezilla17:15
jon_yfilezilla depends on putty psftp though17:15
keriooh, if we're accepting external programs then i also have bookmarks on cyberduck for sftp stuff17:15
DocScrutinizer05whatever, sftp FTW17:16
keriothe point of konqueror is that that *is* the default file browser17:16
DocScrutinizer05actually it isn't anymore17:16
DocScrutinizer05the new crap caled dolphin17:16
keriomeh, it's the same thing17:16
DocScrutinizer05it's bullshit17:17
jon_yKIO vs GVFS, fight!17:17
kerioanyway, the only problem is that it's awful, because it's not ROX-Filer17:17
kerio look at how good it looks17:17
kerioso '90s17:17
jon_yvery so17:18
DocScrutinizer05dolphin seen huge effort to "simplify" away all the good stuff of konqueror17:18
jon_ygnome2 was 90s too, including opening a window for every click on folders17:19
DocScrutinizer05like all KDE4 shit17:19
keriognome2 was good17:19
DocScrutinizer05apper my ASS17:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: is that an invitation?17:19
DocScrutinizer05yes, for apper and its devels17:20
keriois that a generic frontend to package management?17:20
keriothat can't go well17:21
DocScrutinizer05actually HAM is a complex loquacious monster compared to apper17:21
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DocScrutinizer05for apper I'm reqularly surprised it has a GUI at all17:22
DocScrutinizer05beyonf that systray icon17:22
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DocScrutinizer05let's put it this way: apper is like HAM's/HD's "[!]" in status area, plus the notifier that pops up when you click on the [!]17:25
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DocScrutinizer05I think I need another week of curing my maemo adiction, and probably should shut down IRC again17:29
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: noooooooooo :c17:43
keriowe missed you17:43
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Macerwow. i sold my broken n900 for $200 heh18:22
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ApicWhat was broken?18:25
Macerdid the paper in the battery compartment for a month18:27
Macerbut then that stopped working18:27
Maceri reflashed my functional one after the touch upgrade made it so i couldnt write to the storage lol18:27
Macerneed to install power kernel and mobilehotspot18:28
Maceri am actually concerned about installing cssu nowadays lol18:29
Macerthe repos are an absolute disaster18:29
kerio"after the touch upgrade made it so i couldnt write to the storage"18:29
kerioyou mean "after i installed cssu-thumb and at the same time something borked MyDocs' vfat"18:30
Macersame thing i guess? heh18:30
kerioer, sorry18:30
kerioyou mean "after i installed cssu-thumb and at the same time something unrelated borked MyDocs' vfat"18:30
keriono flavour of cssu actually so much as *looks* at MyDocs18:31
keriothe closest thing is pali's new system-services, which does a fsck -p on /home at boot time if you tell it to18:32
kerioor maybe there is such a bug18:33
kerioand it would be an incredibly awful bug, so please report it if you encounter it again18:33
Lava_Croftlook at the amount of testing there is on cssu-thumb18:33
Lava_Croftcan't really say it cant be cssu18:33
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Lava_Croftsame way you cant really say it is18:33
kerioDocScrutinizer05: infobot18:34
kerioLava_Croft: this is a problem with MyDocs18:34
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kerioapart for the usual problems with filesystems, and filesystems on flash, there's nothing that cssu could've done18:35
kerioe2fsprogs were updated, but that's just for extfs, not vfat18:35
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Macerwhy did i just reflash18:38
Macerand have no space to install apps?18:38
keriowhat did you flash?18:38
Macerit says 30MB free18:39
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you could install a znc extension that reboots infobot whenever someone says "infobot" to you18:39
kerioMacer: `df -h /home` please18:39
DocScrutinizer05I could do that18:39
Maceri installed 00218:39
kerioor you could fix infobot!18:39
DocScrutinizer05I can't do THAT18:39
kerioMacer: y u no global (y°#°)y18:40
Macerootfs                  227.9M    207.3M     16.4M  93% /18:40
DocScrutinizer05I don't even have access to the server ibot runs on18:40
keriommh, that's a bit low but maybe not too much18:40
keriowhat about optfs?18:40
DocScrutinizer05which is a PITA, since right now the bot is ok, but freenode for some weird reason once again kicked the infobot personality, while apt and purl are fine18:41
Maceri dont know what is using it lol18:41
Maceri didnt flash optfs18:41
DocScrutinizer05meh, reboot it is then18:41
Macerjust the combined18:41
kerioMacer: considering the status of your MyDocs, i reckon that your emmc is kinda borked18:42
keriobut you still haven't given us the output of df -h /home18:42
Maceri did18:42
kerio`mount | grep home`18:42
* Macer points up18:42
Macer /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir)18:43
kerioand that's it?18:43
kerioholy fuck18:43
kerioyour emmc is borked18:43
Macerlmao. awesome.18:43
kerioflash vanilla+combined18:44
kerioit's the easiest way to make it better18:44
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infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!18:44
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infobotkerio: aw, gee18:44
Macerwould love to but18:44
Maceri dont get my internet installed into my new place until tomorrow18:45
Macerand im not going to dl vanilla tethered heh18:45
kerio/dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted on /home on the n90018:45
Maceri see18:45
kerioif it's missing, then something went seriously wrong18:45
Macerah well. i will fix it tomorrow when i have my cm installed18:46
Macerin the meantime i will just go back to my e718:46
DocScrutinizer05there's almost no way to fix a failed-to-mount /home18:47
DocScrutinizer05except full reflash18:47
MacerDocScrutinizer05: yeah. i will do that tomorrow18:47
keriofix partitions, restore backup18:47
Maceri dont have anything important on it18:47
Macerit is a fresh flash18:47
Macerkerio: no need to restore a backup. ive only done like 2 things18:48
kerioit's faster than flashing!18:49
Macerreflashed. installed openssh18:49
Macerkerio: well. i plan on selling this thing. best to make sure it functions stock18:49
Macerso i will just completely reflash18:49
DocScrutinizer05also, TWOHUNDRED US-DOLLAR for a broken N900? W*T*F?18:50
DocScrutinizer05or NTD?18:50
Maceryeah. i couldnt believe it either18:51
Maceroh well. i said it had a broken modem18:52
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is
Macerok. so i just need 20.2010.36-2.002 PR Combined18:56
Macerand emmc?18:56
Macerblah. i'm trying to find the images18:57
infobot[combined] the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see  or
infobotfrom memory, vanilla is just plain old up & down & up & down & up & down & up & down & ooooh!, or the finest of the flavors18:59
keriowhat the balls18:59
MacerInternal Server Error - Read19:00
MacerThe server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.19:00
MacerReference #3.ed14434d.1376236828.acfa1d619:00
Macerso i have to use the img from 2009?19:02
keriothe one listed as "latest" on tablets-dev19:03
Macerthere it is heh19:05
MacerLatest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N90019:05
Macerso is there a way to flash these both at the same time? heh19:07
* Macer looks at the wiki19:07
Macerthis is nearly impossible to do without a REAL inernet connection. i will fix it tomorrow19:16
Macerlet me try one m ore time to get this emmc bin19:17
Macer1 hour for 256MB19:17
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japa-fiMacer: I flashed my phone after first downloading the images. The flashing was done without internet connection19:37
kerioMacer: it's actually pretty silly19:39
keriomost of those 256mb are crappy videos19:40
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders about S/N ratio of posts like [2013-08-11 18:00:40] <Macer> Internal Server Error - Read19:55
Lava_Croftdont forget the music and wallpapers19:55
Lava_Croftall very useful19:55
DocScrutinizer05it honestly drives me mad when users "report" errors but do it in a way that's absolutely useless except for ringing my alarm bells19:57
Lava_Crofti wonder how life is without any means of filtering out crap that will just agitate you19:58
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Lava_Crofti mean, i have trouble ignoring impulses regardless of their nature19:59
DocScrutinizer05instead of checking 39 URLs if they show the cited error, I should rather break 39 baseball bats on the user citing such shit19:59
Lava_Croftand suggesting physical violence over a thing like this just shows more about how fucked up your thought process is than that of the silly user19:59
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Lava_Croftmy goodness man19:59
Lava_Croftchill the fuck out19:59
Lava_Croftsilly user might be silly and annoying, but what you say is just downright bad20:00
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Lava_Croftand you know better:)20:00
Lava_Croftjust ignore the crap that makes you say shit like this20:00
Lava_Croftmost of the vitriol here is in same way always related to you20:00
Lava_Croftr e l a x20:01
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Macerlooks like this finished heh20:02
Lava_Croftbe easy for DocScrutinizer51, is a good entity20:03
Macerso just flash the emmc then yank the battery and flash the fiasco img?20:03
Lava_CroftMacer: look at wiki?20:03
Maceri am20:03
Macerseems like most people flash emmc20:03
Macerthen pull the battery20:03
Macerthen flash fiasco20:04
Lava_Croftdo what wiki says and you are ok20:04
Lava_Croftyes, because that is a failsafe solution20:04
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Macerwell.. i'm doing it now20:05
Macerso hopefully all goes well and this ridiculous /home dir problem goes away heh20:06
Lava_Croftits how i've done it for the past years20:06
Lava_Croftuse backupmenu the next time20:06
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Macerwell.. lets see what happens20:07
Macerthat actually went rather fast20:07
Maceri'm doing the fiasco img now20:07
Macerso hopefully this thing just boots20:08
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Lava_Croftjust use your head the look around next time20:08
Lava_Crofti mean, it wasnt hard to find20:08
Lava_Croftgood luck20:09
Macerbooting it now20:09
* Macer stares around20:10
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Macerdoes this thing usually stay stuck at those booting dots for this long after doing this?20:10
Lava_Croftthe first time it will take a while20:10
Maceryeah it just asked for my code.. which is odd20:11
Macerconsidering it should be completely wiped. am i  missing something here? lol20:11
Lava_Croftgoogle? the devices i own never had that problem:)20:11
Macerah there it goes20:12
Macerthe partitions look good :)20:12
Maceri have 2GB for applications now instead of 256MB heh20:12
Lava_Croftit's always better to look around and wait first, then start asking questions here:)20:12
Macerlet me toss the sim in and get this thing working heh20:12
Lava_Croftthat way your chances of wasting someone's time a lot smaller!20:12
Lava_Croftlook for backupmenu soon20:13
Lava_Croftand learn how to use it20:13
Macerbut my problem was an error in the partitions20:13
Lava_Croftits the most important thing to know with these funky devices20:13
Macerso unarring something doesn't sound like it would fix partitions20:13
Macerplus my experience with backupmenu hasn't been good20:14
Macertried to recover a couple of times using it and seemed to fail both times20:14
Macerah well.. let me work on making this thing functional20:14
Lava_Crofthave fun20:14
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Macerseems to work20:48
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freemangordonwhaat?!? tracker-cfg is in extras-devel?20:55
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: ^^^ O.o20:56
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freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: going to promote that to -testing if you don't mind20:56
NeutrinoPowerhow fast is the micro-sd slot? I want put the SAMSUNG MB-MPBGC SD-card in my N900, but can it read 48MB/s and faster?20:57
freemangordon20-20MB/s max20:57
freemangordon20-25 even20:57
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freemangordonNeutrinoPower: n900 does not support UHS bus/protocol/speeds20:59
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freemangordonPali: hi, what about that email?21:20
Palifreemangordon: last email, why is barrier needed?21:21
freemangordonPali: yes, I saw it, but honestly, this is going instane21:22
freemangordonI really don;t get it what exactly this guy wants. It was explained by the guy from TI why is DSB needed there21:23
freemangordonI can't think of anything but cpoy/paste of his explanation21:23
Paliok, do it :-)21:23
freemangordonPali: maybe ask if Dave will be happy with that21:23
freemangordonPali: you want me to do that?21:24
Paliyou answered other questions, so it will be better to do it21:24
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freemangordonPali: Does it look fine to you?21:36
freemangordonPali: what about assessment? (kcssu)21:38
Palinow going to compile new version of clock-ui21:38
Paliand then will look at kcssu21:38
freemangordonok :)21:38
Paliok, new clock-ui is in cssu-devel21:44
Palinow going to look at kcssu wiki page :-)21:44
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Palifreemangodon: there is patch ARM_6066_1_Fix_BUG_scheduling_while_atomic_swapper_0_0x00000002.diff21:50
PaliLuke-Jr: ping21:51
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Palifreemangordon: what to do witah patch trig-keyb.diff ?21:57
Pali"This allows LEDs to be used as keyboard indication leds"21:57
freemangordonPali: lemme see that patch21:57
Palilooking at source and I'm not sure if this code is OK21:57
Paliit exporting symbol from kernel (for other drivers)21:58
Paliplus it is compiled into kernel zImage21:58
Paliand I'm not sure if this (from description) is needed in kcssu...21:59
freemangordonPali: :nod:21:59
Paliso its up to you if you accept this patch into kcssu or not... I'm not sure22:00
freemangordonlets disable it, along with any patches that might use that function keyb_led_set22:00
freemangordon(if there are any)22:00
freemangordonPali: ^^^22:00
Palitwl-scrollock.diff is using it22:01
freemangordonhmm, seems that allows you to use KBD leds as CAPS/NUM/SCROLL leds22:03
freemangordonnever knew that is possible or how to use it22:03
Palime too22:03
Paliit looks like it using kernel led trigger api22:03
freemangordondisable thos, we can easily reenable them if needed22:04
Paliand this needs to be configured somehow via sysfs22:04
Palinext what to do with usb host mode?22:04
freemangordonno idea, better ask DocScrutinizer0522:04
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PaliDocScrutinizer05: ping22:05
freemangordonPali: I am going afk for a while22:05
Palifreemangordon: and last patch is ARM_6066_1_Fix_BUG_scheduling_while_atomic_swapper_0_0x00000002.diff22:05
PaliDocScrutinizer05: question is if usb host mode patches are stable for kcssu or not22:06
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Palifreemangordon: table updated22:16
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Maceris the api broken in the pic sharing in maemo now?23:50
Maceror fb's?23:50
Maceri can't seem to login/validate my fb acct23:51
Macerkeep getting no network connection available23:51
freemangordonMacer: i successfuly set up sharing account (on my GF's new device) on Tuesday.23:51
Maceri am getting "no network connection available. operation cancelled"23:52
freemangordonMacer: cssu-t there?23:52
Macerrunning the latest nokia stock23:52
Macermaybe i'll install cssu23:52
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, cssu is
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freemangordonMacer: ooh, fixed in CSSU, your libxml2 is broken ;)23:53
Macerdo i have to use testing?23:55
Maceris stable ok to use? heh23:55
freemangordonI think no, look at the -stable changelog23:55
freemangordonMacer: in other words - I think -stable should have the libxml2 fix23:56
freemangordonnut not sure, so check in the changelog23:56
freemangordonMacer: oh, it is libcurl3, not libxml23:57
freemangordonMacer: fixed in 21.2011.38-1Smaemo5 (24.12.2012)23:57
Macerso stable should be good?23:58
Maceri don't want to use testing23:58

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