IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-08-12

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Maceri'm installing this cssu stable update00:05
Macerjust have to wait on it to finish downloading/installing. hopefully the stable edition doesn't have as many problems as i had with testing heh00:05
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Macerwell. cssu stable doesnt have the screen rotation00:28
Macerheh oh well00:28
freemangordonwell, it is disabled by default :)00:28
kerioholy shit new clock-ui00:28
Macerfreemangordon: i dont see the rotation applet in stable00:32
freemangordonMacer: rotation applet?00:32
freemangordonooh, rotation lock applet :)00:32
freemangordonit is not in -testing anymore too00:33
Maceroh. really?00:33
Macerdo i have to install the cssu config sep too?00:33
freemangordonyou can install it from HAM if you wish00:33
freemangordonMacer: NFC what cssu config is00:33
Maceri dont see the cssu config app00:34
freemangordonMacer: WTF is cssu config app?00:34
Macerfeatures configuration00:34
Maceri found it00:34
freemangordonMacer: this is not a part of CSSU00:34
freemangordonand I am not sure it is compatible with cssu either00:35
Macerhm.. ive used it before heh00:35
kerioit's basically a transitions.ini editor00:35
keriowith some extra gconf macros00:35
keriobut it's kinda bad00:35
freemangordonthat might explain the bad experience you have00:35
freemangordonkerio: ooh, this was the app that was causing hildon-desktop to crash because of the bad transitions.ini it outputs?00:36
kerioi think so00:36
freemangordonI see00:36
freemangordonMacer: don't install that00:37
keriommh, i have clock-ui 0.6-5+thumb000:37
keriowtf is that00:37
freemangordonthumby clock-ui?00:37
Macershould remove it from the repo then heh00:37
keriobut i thought clock-ui didn't have debs00:37
freemangordonMacer: maybe00:37
keriooh well00:38
freemangordonMacer: rase a bug00:38
freemangordonhmm, "file a bug"?00:38
freemangordonyeah, better00:38
Macerwow. i dont know if i even have a bugzilla acct nowadays00:38
Macerit will probably be nofix anyways. i remember filing bugs as being pointless in the nokia days heh00:39
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LauRomanif i want to connect an android device to n900 i have to modify the android device? there is no way to "fix" it from the 900 side right?00:40
kerio"connect" how?00:40
LauRomanmobile hotspot00:41
kerioah, k00:41
kerioyeah, android doesn't do ad-hoc wifi by default i think00:41
kerioyou can still use bluetooth dun, if it's supported00:41
Macerandroid doesnt support adhoc or bluetooth dun00:41
Macerandroid only supports wifi ap and bluetooth pan00:42
Maceri went through this a while back00:42
Maceronly way i managed to get anything working was to install a dun app on the tablet00:42
Macerbluevpn client00:42
Macerand install bt dun in maemo00:42
Macerit is a bad way to do it but getting bt pan to work in maemo was like pulling out teeth00:43
LauRomansadly qt mobilehotspot does not support bt00:43
kerionot with qt mobilehotspot00:44
kerioMacer: bt pan worksforme00:44
Macerkerio: make a wiki for it lol00:44
Maceror an app that simplifies it :)00:44
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ShadowJKsupposedly vanilla android is a bit better at bt dun support02:24
ShadowJKand chinese androids usually include the kitchen sink and will even work if you connect a 3g modem over usb to them02:24
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HtheB~seen robbiethe1st02:51
infobotrobbiethe1st <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 21h 58m 5s ago, saying: 'heh'.02:51
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FIQhmm is there a way to move bookmark order in browser..?03:54
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FIQmicrob that is03:55
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DrCodehi all05:31
DrCodeI want to use ext3 or ext2 in microsd , so it will not have 4Gb limit05:31
DrCodewhat is recommanded to use?05:31
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* ShadowJK sighs05:51
ShadowJKtracker has duplicated everything05:51
ShadowJKDrCode; ext3 is better than ext205:52
ShadowJKin terms of speed05:52
DrCodedose it mount it automticly05:55
DrCodeor I will have to make changes in fstab?05:55
DrCodeI can format all my microsd to ext3 or better to make patition for fat32 also?05:56
ecc3gonly need fat32 if you want to use with os's that dont support ext2...06:00
DrCodebut I want to use chroot with file larger then 4Gb06:06
ShadowJKIn cssu it does it automatically06:06
ShadowJKnot in stock though06:06
ShadowJKif  you go cssu  and kernel-power, I'd recommend ext406:08
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Macerthis n900 seems far better with cssu-s07:15
psycho_oreosGotta love forum noobs, first they post a challenge against N900 as a possible replacement/successor in the wrong area. Now they are trying to make a stand with what they believe in.07:18
robbiethe1stFind me a device with a HW KBD that can run a Debian-based system with X11, and I'll agree it's a N900 replacement. Till then...07:19
psycho_oreosThere is this forum thread that's catching some attention:
psycho_oreosIt also goes to show how old maemo's competitors are when it comes to having a device with both cellular connectivity and a hardware keyboard.07:22
robbiethe1stI'm also kind of hoping perhaps we'll get some love with these new Intel phones07:23
robbiethe1stIntel phone (hopefully) means decent bios, x86 drivers etc... and the ability to run desktop Linux(and possibly Wine as well)...07:23
psycho_oreosSomehow I don't think Intel is related, at the end of the day they only care about two things: 1) profit on returning clientele and 2) market proliferation.07:24
psycho_oreosThere's also lots of anger/hatred between the two divided camps of RISC vs CISC based designs as welll.07:25
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: There's also lots of anger/hatred between the two divided camps of RISC vs CISC based designs as well.07:25
robbiethe1st...and yet Intel's processors are RISC as well, so...07:25
robbiethe1st(internally anyway)07:25
robbiethe1stI want to see Intel(most likely) come up with a chip that provides an x86 instruction set as well as an ARM one.07:26
psycho_oreosInitially they weren't :) I think RISC fans kept arguing on poor power management/efficiency and device able to flare up (becoming hot) real quickly.07:26
robbiethe1stSet it up correctly, and you'd be able to run the main OS in <native RISC instruction set> mode for extreme speed, with support for running ARM and x86 binaries, whichever happens to be available07:27
psycho_oreosThat's where Intel struggles, they really don't care about ARM that much (in fact they sold their StrongARM branch a few years ago). They only want to shove x86 instruction set down their clientele's throats.07:27
robbiethe1stTo be fair, I'd /love/ to have a (even Android) tablet that I could run x86 Windows apps on when needed(via a Wine-like layer), I think it'd be awesome. Lightweight most of the time, but with the power/capibility to run legacy x86 stuff when needed07:29
robbiethe1stBecause -- unlike what MS thinks -- legacy apps are the main pull for x86 and even Windows.07:30
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robbiethe1stAnyway, cya all later07:31
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psycho_oreosEnabling more instruction sets on the fly would probably be more difficult.07:31
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ShadowJKqemu+wine + some X11 emu07:49
ShadowJKbut everything is cloud-this and cloud-that these days, so a windows vm somewhere running vnc..07:51
psycho_oreosGaming through VNC would be fun, alas not everyone can afford the luxury of cloud computing and/or decent internet connectivity.07:58
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Luke-Jrpsycho_oreos: I game through VNC sometimes. Localhost.08:50
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Lava_Croftit was fun to see doom3 on my n900's screen09:02
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Macerdoes vnc support direct rendering or something?09:19
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Macerfigured there would be issues with the refresh rates heh09:19
Maceri should figure out how to get this su8w working on my n900 again09:23
Maceri vaguely remember having to edit some keymap to stop enter from acting like tapping the screen09:23
freemangordonPali: battery.reporting.last_full = 154  (0x9a)  (int)09:29
Palifreemangordon: and what say bq27200 from sysfs?09:29
freemangordonPali: no bq here, BME09:29
Paliah.... orignal nokia bme...09:30
Paliso what to do?09:30
psycho_oreosLuke-Jr, lol localhost :D yeah that is.. err rather effective (more like redundant) haha.09:30
Paliuse design capacity?09:30
freemangordonPali: I see no other option09:30
freemangordonPali: does the same problem exist with bme-replacement?09:31
Paliok, so put "if ( last_full < current ) last_full = design" into battery widget?09:31
freemangordonI remember kerio reporting similar09:31
Luke-Jrpsycho_oreos: nah, it's a different video card than my monitor is plugged into :p09:31
Palido not remember09:31
PaliLuke-Jr: hi!09:31
Luke-Jrhi Pali09:31
freemangordonPali: hmm, no, if my charge drops < 154, the reported value will be bogus09:32
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PaliLuke-Jr: in kernel-power is patch ARM_6066_1_Fix_BUG_scheduling_while_atomic_swapper_0_0x00000002.diff from you09:32
psycho_oreosLuke-Jr, lolwut >_> I'm confused. Using multiple monitors or something?09:32
Paliit is needed and is OK for cssu kernel?09:32
freemangordonPali: I'll get 153/154 , 100%09:32
Luke-Jrpsycho_oreos: no09:32
Luke-Jrpsycho_oreos: no, just one09:32
Luke-Jrpsycho_oreos: connected to my Intel HD09:33
Luke-Jrpsycho_oreos: I VNC into a virtual machine with a Radeon passthru'd09:33
freemangordonPali: which will be wrong09:33
Palifreemangordon: 153/154 comes from BME?09:33
psycho_oreosLuke-Jr, ahh I now understand lol. I thought you were VNC localhost through multiple monitors or with N900.09:34
freemangordonPali: 153 is the current charge (if my battery is discherged enough)09:34
freemangordonPali: the point is that ^^^ if() will report incorrect values once that happen09:34
Palifreemangordon: then BME is broken...09:34
freemangordonPali: yeah :(09:34
Palimaybe it is better to show what BME report, if all values are bad09:34
freemangordondo you need anything else?09:36
freemangordonPali: (besides what I pasted in private chat)09:36
Palino, nokia BME is broken09:36
Palimaybe use battery.reporting.design09:37
freemangordonPali: maybe just use design09:37
freemangordononly with BME is that09:37
freemangordon*that is09:37
Maceris extkbd for bt keyboards?09:37
freemangordonMacer: not only09:37
freemangordonyou can use it with USB kbds too09:38
Maceri see09:38
Maceris there a bthid pkg i need?09:38
freemangordon(and with PS/2 if you manage to somehow connect PS/2 kbd to n900 :D )09:38
Lava_Croftwasnt i talking to you last night09:38
Macerhas someone actually done that?09:38
Lava_Croftuse google man, its your friend! :)09:38
Lava_Croftthat way freemangordon doesnt have to reply to you and can do actual important work09:38
Lava_Croftyeah, uhm!09:39
freemangordonMacer: hate to say it, but Lava_Croft is right, all the needed info is in the extkbd OP09:39
Lava_Croftits not an attempt to try and be unfriendly, its an attempt to learn you something important! :)09:40
Lava_Croftgoogling is an important skill for n900 users :\09:40
freemangordonMacer: UPDATE4: 13.02.2011 Input BT plugin is auto-enabled, no more need to edit /etc/bluetooth/main.conf. Stock Bluetooth UI now has an option to connect BT HID devices09:41
Luke-Jrgoogle is not your friend though!09:41
Macerbut i already know how to use google and figured if the channel is active then it is 4x faster to simply see if someone gives a yes/no response heh09:41
Lava_CroftMacer: its 4x faster for you maybe09:41
Palifreemangordon: Maybe you can add XSBC-Maemo-Display-Name: to extkbd package?09:41
freemangordonPali: hmm, I think there is one09:41
Lava_CroftMacer: realize that most people here are automagically inclined to help, no matter what they are currently doing:)09:41
Lava_Croftfor me, that doesnt matter, i have no real skills09:42
freemangordonat least it shows as "External Keyboard Support"09:42
psycho_oreos<Lava_Croft> googling is an important skill for n900 users :\ <-- its not only an important skills for N900 owners but also for those whom have a keen interest with linux and/or other platforms.09:42
Lava_Croftbut a lot of other folks here do important work! :)09:42
Palifreemangordon: I remember that keyboard or mouse package does not have09:42
Macerpersonally i use bing heh09:42
Lava_CroftMacer: we want them to spend as much time as they can on that important work, instead of reply to people who are too lazy to google:)09:42
psycho_oreosduckduckgo ftw ;)09:42
Palifreemangordon: Now I see that there is description:
Macerpsycho_oreos: hah09:42
freemangordonPali: see :P09:43
MacerLava_Croft: but see... they noticed important work by me asking about it ;)09:43
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Lava_CroftMacer: that is the natural tendency for people in communities like this to want to help out others09:43
Lava_Croftthe responsibility is with you to use it wisely09:43
Lava_Croftits certainly not an infinite source09:44
psycho_oreosI wasn't serious fyi but lol most search engines these days are full of loopholes. They're no better than the way Swiss cheese was made ;) *ducks*.09:44
Macerplus i am asking because in a few i may be able to see if the enter key works properly09:44
Macerlast i recall the mapping was off for the enter key09:44
Macerwhere it was mapped to tapping the screen09:44
Macerbut who knows. maybe that has changed09:45
Macerlet me connect this bt kb and see09:45
Macerwell... that seemed to just work lol09:48
Macerhow about that09:49
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Macermaybe i will look up a way to map the special keys on it some day heh09:49
Macerit has symbian keys09:49
Macerah... the special characters dont seem to be working.09:51
psycho_oreosxev is one way to find out the special key codes.09:51
Maceryeah. maybe extkbd has an su8w map09:52
Macerbut the special keys will be interesting09:52
Macerwould love to map the symbian "home" key as the button on the top left of maemo09:52
Macerno nokia su8w in the list :-/09:53
freemangordonMacer: for sure it is supported iirc09:54
freemangordonnot sure how it is called though09:54
Maceryeah im looking for a map that works09:55
Macercant get any of the fn type special characters to work09:58
freemangordonhmm, or not09:58
Macerlike percentage at etc09:58
freemangordonhowever, gtg09:58
Macerletters work ok heh09:58
Maceri remember there was a keymap that kind of worked with it ... cant remember which one tho09:58
Macerit was one of the generic keymaps09:58
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freemangordonanyway, I gtg, bye10:00
psycho_oreoscya freemangordon10:00
freemangordonMacer: hmm?10:00
freemangordonwhich layout?10:00
Macer%%%%getting closerf heh10:01
Macertried 105 intl variant10:01
Macerstill flakey10:01
Macerseems i found it... although....10:03
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Macergeneric 101 works fine10:03
Macerbut you have to choose USA and none for variant while the kb is connected10:04
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Macerand the enter key is still memssed up10:04
Macerwell.. i'll iron this out later10:04
Maceri have to hold ctrl and hit enter to get it to send the cr10:05
Macerwhen the device is slid open i don't10:06
Macerso it is still a problem with the keymap for when the device is closed10:06
Macersame as before10:06
Macermaybe later i can use xev and make an actual map for the su8w. although im sure there arent too many ppl with them nowadays10:07
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Macerbut at least extkbd seems to somewhat work with it10:08
Macerjust a matter of a proper map10:08
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sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: promote "tracker-cfg" to testing and I will feature it in the testing squad thread.11:20
sixwheeledbeastI feel so far there has not been much response so will try and feature some package(s) to test over a week. Hopefully we can promote stuff this way.11:22
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keriowhat's tracker-cfg?11:23
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sixwheeledbeasta gui for tracker configuration11:30
sixwheeledbeastthrottle, nowatch etc...11:30
sixwheeledbeastIt is in testing, I have been using it for a while but TBH never tested properly for optification11:31
sixwheeledbeastoh, fmg pushed to testing.11:31
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freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: it was in -devel11:43
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radambejust got my first N900 - from what i've read, am i correct in that I should flash 2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin then install CSSU?12:10
radambeas opposed to installing 21.2011.38-1.00212:11
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Maceryou can update from either one afaik12:13
infobotrumour has it, cssu is
Macerthat will tell you what you need to do12:13
radambeok thanks12:15
radambeyeah that answered my question i think12:15
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psycho_oreosShould also flash eMMC if you want to make it as close to factory setup as well.12:27
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kerioradambe: global, not 00212:52
kerioalways global12:52
radambejust used 21.2011.38-1.002 and installed CSSU successfully from mac os 10.8.4 with flasher 3.512:53
radambenot sure if it is global or not12:53
radambegot that bin from a link on the forum12:53
infobot[combined] the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see  or
radambewhy global?12:53
keriobecause why not?12:53
radambeoh ok heh12:54
keriolocalized PRs are less used12:54
radambefound this page that was useful in getting flasher 3.5 working on osx 10.712:55
radambe10.8 sorry12:55
radambesomeone should add the tips on that page to a forum sticky somehwere12:56
keriois flasher opensource?12:56
kerio0xFFFF can't do emmc12:57
kerioradambe: that guy is a dick12:58
Palikerio: yes, 0xFFFF does not have implemented eMMC flashing yet...12:59
Paliand I do not have time for it12:59
kerioit's ok13:00
keriowe don't really need it13:00
keriohell, we don't even need a flasher for anything except to load rescueos13:01
radambewhat would ya'll recommend for a first few mods, apps etc to get me goin on this thing?13:02
radambeCSSU install successful13:02
keriowhich cssu?13:02
radambei chose stable13:02
psycho_oreosDepends on what you want out of it, cpumem-applet is very nifty for instance. fMMS (if you have SIM card inserted and you want to transreceive MMS), etc.13:04
kerioopenmediaplayer is kind of a must13:05
radambeyeah this is going to be my 2nd phone / personal phone13:05
radambeiphone for work + n900 for shits13:05
psycho_oreosNewer worldclock as well if you want portrait functionality.13:05
psycho_oreosWhen you bought the N900, did the seller say anything about the microUSB port?13:07
infobotfrom memory, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)13:07
radambegot it on fleabay, i think it may actually be a fake13:07
radambesticker says made in finland13:07
radambeis that possible?13:07
kerioyou installed cssu13:07
psycho_oreosShould ask the seller if the seller did any work on it. If the seller didn't then I'd look into getting that microUSB port fixed before it breaks.13:08
keriofake n900s exist, but they run some shit that's not maemo13:08
psycho_oreosMost likely hacked up symbian.13:08
psycho_oreosPlus they have weird features like TV receiver when the genuine one doesn't.13:08
radambeword, saw another youtube video that claimed no n900's were made in finland13:08
psycho_oreosFinland made N900 were those pre-production ones. The actual N900 were made in South Korea (i.e. production ones).13:09
radambeso this could be a pre-production?13:09
kerionah, KIRFs are usually some flavour of android now13:09
kerioradambe: who cares?13:09
keriobtw, check the hw revision13:09
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psycho_oreospre-production iinm does not start with number 2, it starts with number 1. For the first four digits that is.13:10
japa-fiusbfix: basically solder some more material to hold the USB port where it's supposed to stay?13:10
radambehow do i see hw rev again?13:11
psycho_oreosIts also a small incentive to get your microUSB fixed before it actually breaks.13:11
psycho_oreosgrep hw /proc/component13:11
psycho_oreosgrep hw /proc/component_version*13:12
japa-fipsycho_oreos, was not aware of that before. Now that I looked at the thread just quoted and images from seki, does not look like a big deal13:12
radambehw-build 220413:12
japa-fiI have done some soldering, does not look impossible task. Apart from disassembling the n90013:13
radambemade in finland 2204, heh13:13
psycho_oreosThat number seems like its an actual production based. Mine are 2204 and none of them were made in Finland.13:13
radambecould it be refurbed in finalnd and thus the sticker was changed? potentially?13:13
radambei dont really care13:13
radambeit seems to work13:13
psycho_oreosjapa-fi, sure but if its not dealt with, it can cause issues. When it breaks you may have more issues than you first thought.13:13
radambeis there a recommended alternative package manager / app browser?13:14
psycho_oreosAlso fake N900 cannot be flashed with proper maemo firmware. The flasher will most likely bicker before failing.13:14
radambeappdownloader - just found it13:15
radambewill give it a try13:15
radambeis anyone using google mail activesync to sync contacts and calendars?13:16
psycho_oreosThere's hardly anything wrong with HAM (Hildon Application Manager). If you want to experiment, there's fapman but bewarned of its shortcomings.13:20
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LjL-Alpspsycho_oreos: one thing not very comfy about HAM is you can only install one package at a time, so if you're installing more than one thing, you have to input each of them and wait for each14:00
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kerioHAM is slow as shit14:01
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LjL-Alpswell for me fapman takes forever on "resolving dependencies"14:02
LjL-Alpsanyway i'm not sure why fapman is shunned, don't they all just call apt-get in the endd14:02
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kerioand the issue is *how* you invoke dpkg14:03
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psycho_oreosLjL-Alps, been there had that ages ago. Though when it comes to updates, HAM is preferred over fapman.14:17
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LjL-Alpsthe N900 is said to have a weak battery but to me it seems to be on par with my Milestone14:51
kerioLjL-Alps: it's surprisingly resilient14:52
kerioand you can get a big one14:53
LjL-Alpsi don't think i will, li-ion batteries make me very uneasy so i'd rather stick with the original one14:53
LjL-Alpsone thing i miss from Android's UI - when scrollable lists are long, Android makes a scroll "handle" show up, since otherwise swipe-to-scroll can be very slow14:55
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Iridoshm, maybe I should get a 2nd battery... something with the charging process seems wrong. The nokia charger stopped working and (while I haven't sampled very many), pretty much all other chargers other than computers have stopped working, too15:47
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kerioIridos: are you sure it's not the cable or the port?16:04
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Iridoswhich port16:11
IridosI think the chargers you connect to a power outlet don't do the full usb negotiation dialog... the nokia one just connects two pins, IIRC... so if it's the musb port, then the problem is in the bit that recognizes those chargers...16:12
Iridosand hence it still works with computer usb ports16:13
Iridosit sholdn't be the cable, as that works on a computer, but not on an external charger with an usb outlet16:13
keriomy modest opinion is that your musb port is starting to break16:14
IridosI don't really have any other musb-charged device, so I cannot test if the charger would work with that16:14
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Iridoskerio, my modest opinion is that I'd really prefer it to be something else :P16:24
keriothe universe doesn't care about our opinions though16:24
Iridosor do you have any good suggestion how I can prevent it from breaking ("don't ever charge it anymore" is not an option)16:24
Iridosbreaking further*16:25
IridosI don't think that the usb port is a user-repairable part either :(16:26
infobotwell, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)16:26
Iridoskerio, that's for making it more robust before it's broken?16:28
Iridoslooks like16:29
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sixwheeledbeastI had an issue were an N900 thought a charger was a computer, this was a uUSB fault.16:41
sixwheeledbeastI reinforced the port and in doing so it repaired the fault16:41
Iridoshm, nice16:43
Iridosyou used the soldering method?16:43
Iridoswell, only will be able too do soldering on the weekend when I visit my parents. (hmm, well, or here by borrowing)16:45
Iridosthere's another thing I noticed since I had the n900 open... 2 light dots have formed over the last year on the screen of the 900... now I see that comes from something pressing against the screen from beneath when opening the keyboard16:47
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Iridoserr... can that really be an original one for that price?
Iridosexploding battery in your phone can ruin the day16:53
Iridosok, it's not16:54
Iridos"if it looks too good to be true, it probably is"16:55
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psycho_oreosExploding battery on a nice and somewhat rare handheld can ruin your hard earnt money apart from making the device even more rare.17:13
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kerioexploding battery on a handheld can seriously hurt17:22
kerioIridos: there was a chinese battery on aliexpress that had a 1600mAh capacity17:22
kerioIridos: this one is also really good17:23
kerioabout 1500mAh17:23
Iridospsycho_oreos, it could also make the amount of hands or other body parts you've been grown to rely on having more scarce than you'd like17:23
Iridoskerio, without exploding?17:24
Iridossounds good17:24
psycho_oreosIridos, heh dismemberfest17:24
Iridoskerio, together with would provide for a "plan B" in case the micro-usb breaks?17:25
Iridosalthough... crappy plan B, as you have to boot the damn thing daily17:25
kerioi've never used one, but everyone tells me that the nokia table charger is good17:25
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Iridoswell, really I'd prefer the usb port to keep working... but I might not get a choice17:27
Iridospsycho_oreos, my other nick is "CutMeOwnThroat"... this would be so much more apt now17:28
psycho_oreosIridos, rather emo than apt :)17:28
Iridospsycho_oreos, it's a Pratchett character's name17:29
psycho_oreosIridos, ahh well I have no clue then. Apart from knowing Pratchett that is used on a IRCd's server's name that is pretty much it.17:32
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Iridosbut yes... I was referring to the literal sense of the name being apt for the occasion :)17:34
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LjL-Alpsi think we should adapt supl-proxy to provide ephemeris and location based on opencellid or something, even if some SUPL server that works is found again, i guess one can't rely on it working forever18:02
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psycho_oreos10 more days and no more crap about ubuntu edge story.18:20
psycho_oreos10 more days and they are ~$22m short of the required goal.18:21
* SpeedEvil sighs.18:24
SpeedEvilI'm at teh point I favour almost anyone who isn't apple and google in mobile space.18:24
SpeedEvilSimply from the point that more diversity is good.18:24
SpeedEvilEven though I have issues with the way BB/WM/Ubuntu/FF is doing it.18:25
GeneralAntillesI just want something that doesn't actively piss me off.18:25
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GeneralAntillesBB10 kinda sorta isn't terrible18:28
GeneralAntillesBut I miss the dev community from Maemo.18:28
GeneralAntillesNo decent IRC client, no MetaWatch application, etc.18:28
ShadowJKCouple of people at work have Lumias. They say they're "nice" and smooth and what not, but disappointed in them because you can't actually *do* anything on them, apart from swiping scrolling and stuff.18:29
psycho_oreosIf one seriously still believes in less than 10 days ubuntu edge will fly, I'm sure pigs can too fly. They've only managed to raise a little under 10 million and they still need at least 22 million.18:30
psycho_oreosI'm not hating ubuntu edge, I just don't think it will fly from the get-go point of view.18:30
SpeedEvilAbsolutely no way is edge happening - in the sense that they will meet that goal.18:30
SpeedEvilUnless someone puts in 20 million.18:30
SpeedEvilWhich is quite possible.18:30
SpeedEvilI don't know what shuttleworths fortune is right now.18:31
psycho_oreosPossible but highly unlikely. Sure I will be the one eating my own words come after 10 days and ubuntu edge does get the green light.18:32
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psycho_oreosI've heard nothing but bad stuff about W8M. I'm sure lumia is just sitting on top and trying to polish the turd.18:34
GeneralAntillesThey can take that number to investors and carriers.18:34
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: quite18:34
SpeedEvil'We got 15000 people to pay up front for a handset that diddn't exist'18:35
SpeedEvilIs a useful statement18:35
GeneralAntillesIt's a stunt that doesn't have any bad outcomes.18:35
GeneralAntillesIf funded, woo, if not, woo.18:35
SpeedEvilWell - funded, then spectacularly miss the deadline, and turn up with flaky hardware.18:36
psycho_oreosIf its not funded, critics would have won their merit.18:36
SpeedEvilThat'd be a bad outcome.18:36
SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: Not so much as if it was a 'sane' goal.18:36
SpeedEvilIf you miss a $1M goal - then yes - there is a real argument that you can'g get 1500 people to put down money.18:37
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, that was my point - all along.. heck you don't even need a critic to tell you its unlikely that crowd funded project will fly. Albeit there's this <you_know_who_on_TMO> still raves on about ubuntu edge.18:37
GeneralAntillespsycho_oreos, critics are clueless.18:37
psycho_oreosGeneralAntilles, not always.18:37
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, well, sure, or Shuttleworth could run away with the money18:38
GeneralAntillesCritics are missing the point.18:38
GeneralAntillesCanonical set it up so they win either way.18:38
GeneralAntillesWhether it's funded or not, they still benefit if it generates interest.18:39
psycho_oreosThe case in point is the device, not the idea of crowd funding.18:39
psycho_oreosIf Canonical were to care so much about crowd funding, they would have had their advertisements set up in some other fashion rather than boasting about this brand new device that is going to "rewrite history".18:41
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GeneralAntillesI'm evidently not communicating my point clearly.18:41
SpeedEvilI understand what you mean.18:42
SpeedEvilI think.18:42
psycho_oreosSo in that case the losers would be those who threw their money into this bottomless wishing well?18:43
SpeedEvilThey get it back at the end of the period18:44
SpeedEvil30 days18:44
SpeedEvilthey lose nothing18:44
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ShadowJKRealistically, it probably doesn't take long for one of the china clonemakers to throw together a mediatek or allwinner SoC and a modem into a plastic case18:46
* SpeedEvil wishes 'open drivers' wasn't such a comedic concept in mobile.18:47
SpeedEvilI think I probably have about the only completely documented phone ever.18:48
SpeedEvilOpenmoko GTA0118:48
SpeedEvilAfter the GSM chipset drivers leaked.18:48
SpeedEvilchipset docs18:48
SpeedEvilNo GPU.18:48
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SpeedEvilWell - the bluetooth module and the GPS are undocumented.18:49
GeneralAntillesI wish TI hadn't bailed.18:51
SpeedEvilthough there were issues with them, ...18:57
GeneralAntillesPigheadedness on the DSP bullshit.18:59
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radambeim having some camera issues20:08
radambei just freshly flashed20:08
radambeand installed cssu20:08
radambelinux power user kernel (with overclock support)20:08
radambealso fcam drivers, fcam, and a better camera20:08
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radambenow, when i hit the camera button to open the camera i get a message "operation failed" and the camera app quits instantly20:09
radambeA Better Camera, and Fcam both also fail20:09
radambeanyone have any thoughts?20:10
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radambefound    will try some of the suggestions - uninstalling Fcam application first20:16
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radambeyep, uninstalling the Fcam application (not the drivers), then rebooting brought the stock camera app, and A Better Camera back to life20:20
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Palifreemangordon: look at kp52 problem:
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quackquackhow do i jtag my n900?20:51
quackquacki see no information in the wiki or anywhere20:51
quackquackcan anyone help me?20:51
quackquackand also can i read the SRAM registers via jtag?20:52
quackquacki am planning to port coreboot to n900.20:52
quackquackwhich is why i need to know. if someone can help me will be really nice.20:52
wmarone_I doubt the JTAG pins were routed out anywhere in the final PCB...20:59
freemangordonPali: hmm?20:59
freemangordonI see no problem20:59
PaliI do not remeber what was changed... so maybe you know more21:00
freemangordonPali: 0x500000 is needed so harm codec nodes to work21:00
Paliok, write info to thread21:00
freemangordonPali: but that should be present sisnce kp47 or so21:01
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quackquackwmarone_, so no jtag?21:02
bennypr0fanehello, I have a bad N900-problem. Would you guys take a look at it?
wmarone_quackquack: I haven't seen anyone mention it in ~5 years21:02
freemangordonPali: what to write? sorry, didn;t get it21:02
wmarone_err, four21:02
quackquackokay. is it because pin muxing?21:02
quackquacksorry warfare21:03
wmarone_no idea, but no one's mentioned having any sort of JTAG access, let alone pins, since it was released21:03
wmarone_and I didn't see any in the schematics when they got leaked21:03
quackquackl1,l2,l3,l4 are useless.21:03
freemangordonbennypr0fane: corrupted fs?21:03
quackquackthey dont speak about anything useful.21:04
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wmarone_quackquack: not surprising, really.21:04
quackquackyou have the actual schematics?21:04
wmarone_not anymore, I think I lost it 2 years ago21:04
quackquackaah. ouch.........21:05
wmarone_quackquack: why the N900, anyway?21:05
quackquackwish to use it as an EHCI-Debug device.21:05
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quackquackso i can port coreboot to T410 and t42021:05
quackquackthats why.21:05
quackquackusing a coreboot will help ease lot of hassle.21:06
wmarone_coreboot on both ends is necessary?21:06
sixwheeledbeastIridos: Yes, soldering. ONLY EVER solder the uUSB port never glue or epoxy it just makes a mess and harder to repair correctly.21:07
quackquacknot a necessary. but helps like anything.21:07
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quackquackif we can port coreboot to it. then first one more arm arch device added.21:07
wmarone_quackquack: why not use a beagleboard? It has actual USB ports instead of the weak micro-usb port on the N90021:07
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quackquackand secondly it can help us a lot in debugging.21:07
Iridossixwheeledbeast, will try on the weekend when I have the tools and crossing my fingers it fixes the problems I already see21:08
quackquackyou cannot carry it in pocket and make a receive calls while debugging.21:08
quackquackthats why.21:08
wmarone_I think the beagleboard would be a much better target for you than the N90021:08
quackquackand beaglebone has issues.21:08
wmarone_would the beaglebone be a better choice?21:09
quackquackadurbin from #coreboot has tried.21:09
quackquackand also gnutoo-x60 from #coreboot.21:09
quackquackbut i was told its a heck of an issue.21:09
sixwheeledbeastIridos: see !yt for videos on taking it apart also see ~usbfix thread regarding reinforcing21:09
quackquacki dont wish to buy an expensive debugger.21:09
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quackquackwhen i can use the good old n900.21:10
wmarone_well, I imagine that porting coreboot to the N900 won't be any easier21:10
quackquacknishanth told me actually it should be much easy.21:10
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quackquackhe told me its infact easy to hack the BL2 and carry on.21:11
quackquackbecause BL2 doesnt require signing.21:11
Iridossixwheeledbeast, saw the usbfix one, thanks21:11
wmarone_nothing past NOLO is signed21:11
quackquackno he said we can replace NOLO itself.21:11
sixwheeledbeastIridos: !yt = youtube21:11
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wmarone_been a long time since I looked apparently21:11
wmarone_my N900 is sitting disassembled these days21:12
Iridossixwheeledbeast, yes... thought there was a bot linking me to a concrete url... :)21:12
wmarone_anyway, I have to go for a bit21:12
quackquackNishanthMenon> anyways, it allows folks to hack in their own second stage+ bootloader21:12
quackquackokay wmarone_ tyt21:12
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sixwheeledbeastIridos: sorry no, I use duckduckgo so this is a bang link ;)
Iridossixwheeledbeast, so do I... I actually did just think "he used the duckduckgo syntax" but then didn't remark on it :P21:14
Iridossixwheeledbeast, admittedly, I use !g a lot21:15
sixwheeledbeastIridos: DDG is great i have my own DDG search URL saved not touched !g in ages.21:16
Iridos"my own ddg search url"?21:16
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quackquackusing cold flash? can i even load x-loader?21:17
Iridossixwheeledbeast, dunno... there's actually a lot of searches where ddg doesn't find sh...ore, while in !g it's hit #121:17
quackquackincase i screw it up?21:17
freemangordonguys, anyone knowing PHP here?21:17
sixwheeledbeastYou can add features by adding strings to the end of the url. like save off and uk and supersize etc.21:18
Iridosah, right... never bothered so far21:18
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Iridossixwheeledbeast, my search bars are configured for ddg, and whenever it doesn't seem to work well enough, I just switch21:18
sixwheeledbeastIridos - my URL as an example:
quackquackx-loader is 2nd loader image?21:20
quackquackisnt it the first loader.21:21
quackquackor initial loader21:21
Iridossixwheeledbeast, also... "so you are the OTHER ddg user" ;)21:22
freemangordonPali: do you know PHP?21:23
bennypr0fanefreemangordon, how can I find out whether or not fs corruption is the problem? If it is, can you think of any fix other than reflashing?21:24
sixwheeledbeastIridos: I am sure more are switching, google are tracking people to much. The more people get wise to it the more google will become out of favour21:24
freemangordonbennypr0fane: rescueos21:24
infoboti heard rescue-os is
bennypr0fanecan I boot that with U-Boot, or will it boot from sdcard by default?21:25
freemangordonbennypr0fane: you need flasher to boot that21:25
bennypr0fanei.e. I boot it from a pc?21:25
freemangordonread the README21:26
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: any objections me promoting tracker-cfg to -testing?21:26
keriobennypr0fane: you can boot it from uboot too21:27
keriobut you need to configure it, obviously21:27
Palifreemangordon: no :-) and I'm happy21:28
Palifreemangordon: what you need?21:28
freemangordonPali: we need to find someone to give a hane, I hate to shoot blindly, esp when it comes to a production system21:29
freemangordonPali: switching to #maemo-admin21:29
Paliso I'm not right person21:29
bennypr0fanekerio I can boot rescueos from uboot?`how would I add it to boot menu? If not, back when I last used flasher, it was only available for Win XP. Can I run it from Linux now?21:30
sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: I suppose not it's just the lack of maintainer for the pkg issue. If a bug is found later who will fix it?  I would like to test it correctly before any further promotion. FWIW there are a good few packages I would like to see in testing on the DARP wiki.21:30
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freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: well, I guess someone might want to become a maintainer if a bug is found21:31
freemangordonbut keeping a piece of SW in -devel is plain stupid to me21:32
infobotfreemangordon meant: but keeping a piece of SW in -devel seems plain stupid to me21:32
kerioput 2.6.37 and rescueOS-1.1.img in /opt/boot, that file in /etc/bootmenu.d/ and then run u-boot-update-bootmenu21:33
* freemangordon is going to finish his coffee before writing anything more here :)21:33
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bennypr0fanekerio cool thanks21:35
DrCodehi all21:38
DrCodeI have strange problem21:38
DrCodeI bout microsd 64Gb21:38
DrCodeI can format it in maemo has vfat21:38
DrCodeand also in linux21:38
DrCodebut I can't format it into ext3 or ext421:39
freemangordonDrCode: change the prtition ID21:39
DrCodealso ext2 give me error when I copy21:39
DrCodevfat or extfat work perfect , any idea?21:39
sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: Yes, I think the only packages that should aim to stay in devel indefinitely are broken or optification issue ones, like *patch and file-roller; for example.21:39
DrCodeI use ext3 in part ID21:40
DrCodeI use gparted21:40
freemangordonDrCode: and what is the error?21:40
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: yup21:40
DrCodeU mean in gparted device , its default msdos21:41
DrCodeJBD: no valid journal superblock found21:41
DrCode[ 1312.919905] EXT3-fs (sdd1): error loading journal21:41
freemangordonDrCode: what error gives you mkfs.ext3?21:42
DrCodeI use debian and ubuntu , same problem21:42
sixwheeledbeastthe whole idea is to have a testing platform for extras and I'd kick the rubbish back to devel so sources are available.21:42
DrCodeno error21:42
DrCodeit say done21:42
freemangordondid you sync before removing the card?21:42
DrCodebut when I try to mount it , I got this error21:43
freemangordonDrCode: elaborate please, how do you connect the card with your PC?21:43
DrCodeI use card reader21:43
freemangordonDrCode: using mass storage mode?21:44
DrCodemicrosd -> card reader -?> usb21:44
freemangordonhmm, so mkfs.ext3 says it is fine, but you cant mount it?21:44
DrCodeI don't connect it by n900 phone21:44
DrCodeI use it with card reader21:44
DrCodeI need to connect it into n900 ?21:45
DrCodeI test it also with my laptop21:45
freemangordonDrCode: with the same card reader?21:45
DrCodeI have microSD21:45
freemangordonwhat card is that?21:46
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DrCodeI bout it in ebay21:47
DrCodeKingston 64Gb MicroSD21:47
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freemangordonDrCode: did you try to put it in n900 and format it from there?21:47
DrCodeI use card reader21:48
DrCodewhy is there diffrent?21:48
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freemangordonshould't be21:49
freemangordonbut who knows, maybe you'll succeed from n90021:50
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DrCodei will try21:51
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DrCodedose maemo have support for exfat?22:17
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ecc3gapparently the answer is no, but not sure what the status of the fuse port is.22:22
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