IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2013-08-01

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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer51: http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/30192955/	00:54
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freemangordon	ooh, I bought a table from ikea today :)	00:55
SpeedEvil	I built a table from some wood today.	00:55
freemangordon	nice	00:56
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SpeedEvil	2m*1.2m or so, and I can barely lift it.	00:56
freemangordon	mine is 95x55 and weights about 3 kg. some weird material	00:56
freemangordon	wood pieces but very light	00:57
SpeedEvil	Mine is made out of old fenceposts.	00:58
DocScrutinizer05	SpeedEvil: hmm?	00:58
SpeedEvil	Lightness is not one of its virtues.	00:58
DocScrutinizer05	how do you know I need a new table?	00:58
SpeedEvil	:)	00:59
DocScrutinizer05	Oh, that one is even nicer	00:59
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DocScrutinizer05	but probbaly 151525cm	01:00
SpeedEvil	It was primarily a test piece to get my hand in, to try to make a 'passivehaus' shed.	01:00
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: maybe issue a notice that normal operations are resumed	01:00
DocScrutinizer05	F!! U!! ikea!	01:00
DocScrutinizer05	even on scrolling(!) two cookie requesters pop up	01:01
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DocScrutinizer05	[GENERAL NOTICE] downtime ended, patches applied, all services started. Thank you for flying maemo.org. If you got complaints/suggestions/questions, please ping your stewardess	01:03
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ecc2g	ugh... I sort of am kind of ticked that firefox is actually letting content providers know that you're reading (i.e. scrolling down)... it doesn't load content until it becomes visible (scrolled to) and that's when the coookies come...	01:05
ecc2g	think most browsers do this	01:05
ecc2g	not sure exactly how the webpage is coded to do this tracking but apparently it's possible	01:06
ecc2g	sort of like the favicon fiasco years ago. I wonder if they'll fix this, maybe nobody noticed it yet?	01:07
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ecc2g	(kind of doubt it but...)	01:07
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DocScrutinizer05	not konqueror	01:10
ecc2g	konqueror will load the whole page (and deal with cookies up front)?	01:10
DocScrutinizer05	this is a special ikea JS bullshit	01:10
DocScrutinizer05	yes	01:11
ecc2g	well i wish it treated that JS as if you scrolled it up front	01:11
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ecc2g	it might be the same problem - a normal page will be all loaded. JS might be doing this	01:11
DocScrutinizer05	on whatever_even(){placefuckingcookie, do other nasty shit}	01:11
DocScrutinizer05	s/even/event/	01:12
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: on whatever_event(){placefuckingcookie, do other nasty shit}	01:12
SpeedEvil	It would be _so_ nice if our dear legislators had a clue.	01:12
ecc2g	on whenever_we_scroll_to_this_place_in_the_code() { read_this_advertisement_that_puts_a_cookie}	01:12
SpeedEvil	And they would have specified that you diddn't have to show the stupid 'we may set cookies' - if the user has set an explicit preference in their browser.	01:12
ecc2g	cnn.com does this BS.	01:14
ecc2g	I don't care about the cookies that much but underhandedly writing JS to tell you're scrolling is BS	01:15
ecc2g	hmm... wonder of i can hack greasemonkey to thwart it	01:16
ecc2g	the cookie problem is so annoying I had to write a script to automatically delete any cookies not in a whitelist...	01:18
DocScrutinizer05	hell, you got no cookie white7blacklist in your browser?	01:18
ecc2g	I just let the cookies in and they get killed every once in a while :\	01:19
DocScrutinizer05	HEY GUYS!!!! AND GALS! HOW FEELS "the NEW" maemo,org?	01:19
ecc2g	well, the problem being, I need to appear that I am allowing cookies... then make them disappear...	01:19
DocScrutinizer05	ooh, I see	01:20
DocScrutinizer05	look into inotifymonitor	01:20
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DocScrutinizer05	sorry, inotifywait	01:21
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DocScrutinizer05	funny enough not a part of a standard desktop linux installation	01:22
ecc2g	ah, it's nothing I need to get rid of right away, I dump the cookies every once in a while, maybe every week or so	01:22
ecc2g	infrequent enough to allow troublesome websites to work, frequent enough to mess with their user tracking :)	01:23
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DocScrutinizer05	while I start swearing...	01:24
DocScrutinizer05	saturn:/etc # zypper search inotify-tools	01:25
DocScrutinizer05	Loading repository data...	01:25
DocScrutinizer05	Reading installed packages...	01:25
DocScrutinizer05	No packages found.	01:25
DocScrutinizer05	while...	01:26
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:~# dpkg -S inotifywait	01:26
DocScrutinizer05	inotify-tools: /usr/bin/inotifywait	01:26
ecc2g	ahh... i've always wondered what the SuSE package manager was... oops.	01:26
ecc2g	hmm... somehow inotify-tools was a dependency on my gentoo boxes and thus it's been installed on my server...	01:28
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ecc2g	nope, it's installed because I forgot I installed it.	01:30
DocScrutinizer05	damn, not a single comment regarding maemo.org?	01:36
Gh0sty	should we? :p	01:43
Woody14619	Off to Europe, be back mid-April. :)	01:46
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer51: Thanks!	02:03
* SpeedEvil is kinda lagged these last months. :/		02:03
DocScrutinizer05	WTF??!!	02:04
DocScrutinizer05	>>be back mid-April.<<??? 2017?	02:04
Gh0sty	also why would one be offline in europe? :p	02:06
Gh0sty	we also have 3G internet coverage on most places	02:06
bef0rd	theres no internet	02:06
Gh0sty	and we have evolved over carrier pidgin and smoke signals also :P	02:06
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DocScrutinizer05	** this message sent to you from my pigeon loft	02:10
psycho_oreos	Someone was probably trying to save as much cash as they can whilst roaming around in Europe, and/or they don't want to be bugged whilst on holiday (refer to Pali's case).	02:10
DocScrutinizer05	international (data) roaming admittedly is either cumbersome or terribly expensive, or even both	02:10
SpeedEvil	Yeah - you need to buy national SIMs generally.	02:11
Gh0sty	well was just going to say	02:11
SpeedEvil	And finding sane ones can be an issue.	02:11
Gh0sty	buy local sim	02:11
Gh0sty	added advantage	02:11
Gh0sty	you dont get bugged! :P	02:11
psycho_oreos	I've heard numerous times travelling within Europe is expensive on its own regardless if you are roaming or not.	02:11
Gh0sty	unless you give your number to buggers :)	02:11
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Gh0sty	depends if its a round-trip or just staying at 1 location :)	02:12
Gh0sty	but hadnt considered the round-trip thingy :)	02:12
DocScrutinizer05	hmm, traveling in europe is not more expensive than international traveling I'd say	02:12
Gh0sty	that sucks indeed	02:12
SpeedEvil	Prices vary - in the UK you can now get 'all you can eat' data - on your phone - no tethering - for £15/mo.	02:12
Gh0sty	next year they promised a fix for that	02:12
Gh0sty	something like data roaming would be like a rate inside the home country	02:12
psycho_oreos	It would be unwise to stay in one location in Europe.. so many countries in one small spot compared to say.. US.	02:12
DocScrutinizer05	SpeedEvil: while that's nice if you can use it, it still seems too expensive for - say - 3 or 4 days	02:13
SpeedEvil	True - to an extent.	02:13
DocScrutinizer05	I happen to know a few details of woody's travel planning	02:13
DocScrutinizer05	I think he's going to visit at least 3 countries in 2 weeks or sth	02:14
SpeedEvil	But it may be not unreasonable for - say - 4 days being able to use netflix/... without restriction.	02:14
DocScrutinizer05	odds are he could unpack and straight away bin his local SIMs	02:14
psycho_oreos	Yeah I'd say that would be more economically viable. Its pretty much a waste to visit Europe and stay in one area during that entire time.	02:14
psycho_oreos	I mean if you're forking out the travel arrangements, business visits are an exception of course.	02:15
Gh0sty	yeah i dunno depends if its for vacation or business :P	02:16
Gh0sty	i mean i also go to the US but not for 1 year ...	02:16
Gh0sty	thats not even allowed i think :(	02:16
psycho_oreos	I'd say it would be vacation if its more than one country.	02:16
Gh0sty	max 3 months without a work permit i guess	02:16
psycho_oreos	Better that than having to fork out visa :)	02:17
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psycho_oreos	I wonder how else would the ISP would know that you were tethering apart from maybe doing L2TP scans or something.	02:33
SpeedEvil	deep packet inspection.	02:37
SpeedEvil	Or just shallow packet inspection.	02:37
SpeedEvil	If you're playing a couple of HD streams at once - you're not doing it on your phone.	02:37
psycho_oreos	You could be just downloading them with maybe something like cutetube ;)	02:38
SpeedEvil	But todays phones make pretty much any assumptions questionable.	02:38
psycho_oreos	Exactly, they're far more capable than what their predecessors mostly were.	02:39
SpeedEvil	I mean - I can easily see using a phone to do chromecast.	02:39
SpeedEvil	Or indeed run a server from your n900.	02:40
psycho_oreos	There's even torrent clients for coughandroidcough.	02:40
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SpeedEvil	Yeah. there was someone in #android the other day wondering why it made their phone hot. :)	02:41
psycho_oreos	Some people just don't thoroughly read and understand their instruction manuals enough.	02:42
robbiethe1st	Manual: http://store.steampowered.com/manual/440/	02:43
robbiethe1st	You should read it. Right? :P	02:43
psycho_oreos	I was referring to actual phone/device products, not some in-game virtual entity :D	02:46
robbiethe1st	Aw	02:46
robbiethe1st	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1kccz1qziE <- actual real product!	02:47
psycho_oreos	Not as cool as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTs7VRFV36c :d	02:54
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robbiethe1st	Yes	03:00
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robbiethe1st	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNTgg7Y7Pzg ...I want	03:04
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psycho_oreos	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXONp8Q3KGY <-- hahahaha, real cute.	03:14
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DocScrutinizer05	evidently in Germamy none of the providers checks for such "non-tethering" policy. It's actually hard to check when you don't allow false positives	04:08
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DocScrutinizer05	actually I think most have dropped any such policy, and replaced it by simply restricting bandwith and/or traffic and/or services (SIP, IM, Skype, particularly any filesharing). Especially all realtime applications like VoIP are easily fscked up by simply introducing too much jitter on RTT/pingtime	04:12
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SpeedEvil	Quite.	04:30
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HtheB	robbiethe1st hi	04:40
robbiethe1st	Hi	04:40
robbiethe1st	See? I am areound	04:41
HtheB	yeah now	04:41
HtheB	you werent here for like 13 days :D	04:41
robbiethe1st	Says it	04:41
HtheB	check the logs :P	04:41
robbiethe1st	I may not have said anything	04:41
robbiethe1st	ctually, have a date range?	04:41
HtheB	weird, i've always checked your nickname over here	04:41
HtheB	date range?	04:42
robbiethe1st	like, when I was supposed to be gone?	04:42
HtheB	~seen robbiethe1st	04:42
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infobot	robbiethe1st is currently on #maemo (2h 1m 38s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 20s, last said: 'like, when I was supposed to be gone?'.	04:42
HtheB	:D	04:42
HtheB	let me check the log when I looked for you :P	04:44
robbiethe1st	I have logs for july 31,30,29... 25, 24, 23,22... 18, 17, 16, 15, 14... 11, 10, 9, 8... 2, 1..jun 27, 26, 25, 24...	04:44
robbiethe1st	anyway	04:49
HtheB	thats weird	04:49
HtheB	i was looking for it too	04:50
HtheB	the one where it said 13 days :D	04:50
robbiethe1st	heh	04:50
HtheB	anyway	04:50
robbiethe1st	Yes?	04:50
HtheB	won the third one	04:50
robbiethe1st	third one?	04:50
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robbiethe1st	You're more trusting of me than I would be	04:50
HtheB	?	04:51
robbiethe1st	I mean, you don't know me. I could decide to be lazy and just drop your packages in the trash, or sit on them for a few months...	04:51
robbiethe1st	You never know <_<	04:51
HtheB	i trust yo	04:52
HtheB	u	04:52
HtheB	i can feel it that way :)	04:52
robbiethe1st	Yeah, I can see that	04:52
HtheB	also, you've helped me with the auction	04:52
HtheB	too bad we lost that one :P	04:52
robbiethe1st	Yeah, oh well	04:52
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HtheB	you told me that you would be here the next day	04:53
HtheB	and you were :)	04:53
HtheB	so there is no reason i wouldnt trust you	04:53
robbiethe1st	True, I suppose	04:54
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robbiethe1st	But there's a big difference between just joining IRC in my normal routine, and actually having to get off my fat ass, get into my truck, and drive a whole mile to the post office.	04:54
HtheB	besides, you're the bootmenu master :P	04:54
HtheB	aww	04:54
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robbiethe1st	Just saying	04:55
HtheB	(is it really that far?)	04:55
robbiethe1st	;)	04:55
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robbiethe1st	Probably, don't know. The one by my parents place is 3 miles away, but I'm on the outskirts of town here, so I'm closer	04:55
HtheB	i see	04:56
HtheB	glad people like you are still alive	04:56
robbiethe1st	See, this is the US. Things are very spread out here. 50 miles is commuting distance for some	04:56
HtheB	ouff	04:56
HtheB	the nearest post office is like 500meters away from here	04:57
HtheB	hehe	04:57
robbiethe1st	wow	04:57
HtheB	some supermarkets has also 'post office' abilities	04:57
HtheB	for sending packages	04:57
robbiethe1st	True	04:58
robbiethe1st	it's usually cheaper at the post office itself, though	04:58
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HtheB	here its the same	04:58
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HtheB	but hey, I think this is my reward of 'missing' the other one :D	04:59
HtheB	being patiently	04:59
robbiethe1st	what did you get?	04:59
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HtheB	www.ebay.com/itm/Supervision-Watara-With-Games-/251311978517	05:00
HtheB	this was what he listed first	05:00
HtheB	i saw on the pictures one of the rare games	05:00
HtheB	so i asked if he can sell the game only	05:01
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HtheB	www.ebay.com/itm/251313483671	05:02
HtheB	so he changed it	05:02
robbiethe1st	ok	05:02
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DrCode	hi all	05:04
DrCode	dose n900 support 64gb micROSD	05:05
HtheB	there was a thread on tmo some long time ago about it..	05:06
HtheB	but i really dont know.... try it :P	05:06
robbiethe1st	worst case, it	05:06
robbiethe1st	It's a driver update needed	05:07
robbiethe1st	Likely, PK would have the drivers	05:07
DrCode	ok	05:07
HtheB	afaik, cssu should have those drivers	05:07
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DrCode	when i use chroot debbi command not working , any idea	05:08
DrCode	i use cssu	05:08
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HtheB	conn dropped	05:17
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HtheB	robbiethe1st, going to sleep now	05:40
robbiethe1st	Cya	05:40
HtheB	i'll talk to you later :)	05:41
HtheB	oh btw	05:41
HtheB	how 'fast' is the post in the us?	05:41
HtheB	like: someone sends you a package tomorrow	05:41
HtheB	when will the package arrive?	05:41
robbiethe1st	Depends on distance, most likely ground(cheap shipping) can take 2-5 days in the US	05:42
HtheB	before (or on) monday?	05:42
HtheB	hmm	05:42
robbiethe1st	depends, where?	05:42
HtheB	let me check	05:42
robbiethe1st	California, yeah, I'd expect it'd be here	05:42
robbiethe1st	New York(other side of the continent), longer	05:42
HtheB	dayton	05:43
HtheB	tenessee	05:43
robbiethe1st	Pretty far, I don't know	05:44
HtheB	alright	05:44
robbiethe1st	Keep a watch on the tracking code	05:44
robbiethe1st	Plus, it really depends how quickly they ship. If they have it /in the mail/ before pickup tomorrow, that's one thing	05:44
HtheB	well, i didnt got a tracking code (economic shipping eh :P)	05:45
robbiethe1st	Oh, ok	05:45
HtheB	we'll see	05:45
robbiethe1st	just gonna have to see then	05:45
HtheB	if the first one came	05:45
HtheB	im sure the other two will arrive too:)	05:45
HtheB	then, i wont bother you anymore xD	05:45
robbiethe1st	No worries	05:45
HtheB	good night pal	05:46
HtheB	nite all	05:46
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ebzzry	(Maemo 5) I just installed the latest CSSU-S update. How do I use the new camera ui?	10:31
freemangordon	ebzzry: "the new camera ui" is not in cssu-stable	10:31
ebzzry	freemangordon: Where is it? In CSSU-T?	10:32
freemangordon	yep	10:33
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ebzzry	I have used the CSSU-S catalog. Can I install "over" the CSSU-T catalog?	10:33
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freemangordon	yep, but disable cssu-s catalog first	10:33
ebzzry	freemangordon: Thanks. I'll do that.	10:34
freemangordon	it won;t harm if you leave it enabled, but will slow down HAM	10:34
HtheB	slowdown?	10:34
freemangordon	ok, even further :D	10:34
HtheB	since when did it ever go fast?	10:34
HtheB	lol	10:34
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HtheB	i have disabled autochecker for HAM	10:36
HtheB	once in a while (like once in 3 months?) i run ham before going to sleep just to check for update	10:36
HtheB	:D	10:37
HtheB	otherwise, it's very annoying that when you're connected to the internet, ham checks for updates automatically	10:37
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ebzzry	I noticed that there is a CSSU Devel catalog? Is it real? Is it worth installing instead of Testing?	10:39
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kupe	hello everyone, will any of you help me in installing uboot with kp52 menu on it	10:53
kupe	I have cssu thumb and already flashed my device nearly 14 times today	10:54
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kupe	doc, kerio or any other please help	10:58
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kerio	kupe: hi!	11:05
kerio	install uboot	11:06
kerio	install kernel-power-bootimg	11:06
kerio	ln -s /etc/bootmenu.d/power /etc/default/bootmenu.item	11:06
kerio	u-boot-update-bootmenu	11:07
kerio	and don't boot with the stock kernel, it'll end in tears and in a reboot	11:07
kerio	also, why am i being pinged for this stuff	11:09
kerio	D:	11:09
kerio	i'm just a user	11:09
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kupe	thank you kerio	11:28
kerio	np	11:28
kupe	have a nice day	11:28
kupe	so lets me backup everything and then I will report you back	11:28
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RzR	ba	11:30
RzR	backup what ?	11:30
kerio	all the things! _ò/	11:30
RzR	what's wrong ?	11:30
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kerio	he doesn't trust me :c	11:33
kerio	i feel unloved	11:33
kupe	no	11:34
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kupe	I didn't mean that	11:35
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kupe	but its always good to have backup	11:36
kupe	kerio can I use kernel-power 51vr1 bootimg if i have kpv51vr1	11:39
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kerio	sure	12:17
freemangordon	ebzzry: If you don't know what cssu-devel is, DO NOT ENABLE THE CATALOG	12:21
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ebzzry	freemangordon: Ok. Since we're there, what is it, and what does it do?	13:23
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freemangordon	~cssu-devel	13:24
freemangordon	~ping	13:24
infobot	~pong	13:24
ebzzry	freemangordon: Yes. How is it different from -testing?	13:24
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freemangordon	ebzzry: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292	13:25
ebzzry	freemangordon: let me load that.	13:26
freemangordon	~cssu-devel is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292	13:26
infobot	freemangordon: okay	13:26
freemangordon	~cssu-devel	13:26
infobot	cssu-devel is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292	13:26
ebzzry	freemangordon: ok. thanks for the warning.	13:26
ebzzry	I'm at 90% of the cssu-testing download. I've been downloading it since ~3 hours ago. I don't know why it is taking that long. My unit's internet connection is good, except for HAM related stuff.	13:28
freemangordon	hmm, weird, that shouldn't take that long	13:28
ebzzry	I can run wget and get realistic expectations. But when I install anything from HAM (or apt-get), it is bloody slow.	13:29
ebzzry	No, I haven't tweaked anything network related. Anyway, maybe I can do some search on TMO. :-)	13:29
freemangordon	ebzzry: never heard of such an issue	13:30
freemangordon	maybe your isp does some traffic shaping	13:30
ebzzry	freemangordon: maybe. I think I may run tcpdump on my gateway machine to see what's happening.	13:31
ebzzry	freemangordon: Ya, some weird traffic-shaping rules, that (unexpectedly) bork connections to repository.maemo.org	13:31
freemangordon	mhm	13:32
ebzzry	freemangordon: I wish I can run iftop on the system, while the upgrade is running. :(	13:32
freemangordon	connect via ssh :)	13:32
ebzzry	freemangordon: Unfortunately, I can't SSH to it, for some odd reason. :)	13:32
freemangordon	hmm	13:32
freemangordon	weird	13:32
ebzzry	SSH is ok when not upgrading. :)	13:32
freemangordon	maybe HAM stops it	13:33
ebzzry	freemangordon: any hints? :-)	13:33
ebzzry	maybe. :)	13:33
ebzzry	freemangordon: and, unpingable! :-)	13:33
freemangordon	ooh, yes	13:33
freemangordon	HAM puts the device on offline mode	13:33
freemangordon	s/on/in/	13:34
infobot	freemangordon meant: HAM puts the device in offline mode	13:34
ebzzry	freemangordon: I used to use KP but stopped using it because my system has been mostly unstable with it. A frequent annoyance is not being able to reboot properly, i.e., it shuts down instead of rebooting!	13:34
ebzzry	freemangordon: Ah, ya. Offline mode! :-D	13:34
freemangordon	ebzzry: which version of KP?	13:34
freemangordon	that should be fixed in latest testing version	13:34
ebzzry	freemangordon: the biggest show-stopper though it that at random times, it sets the frequency so low!	13:36
ebzzry	freemangordon: and I frequently find myself running 'kernel-config ...' from time to time.	13:37
ebzzry	The last time I used KP was about two years ago.	13:37
ebzzry	freemangordon: I'll take a stab at it again. I'll finish the CSSU-Testing installation, create another rootfs and optfs backup using BackupMenu, then install the latest KP.	13:38
freemangordon	ebzzry: ooh, lots of things changed since then :D	13:41
ebzzry	;)	13:41
ebzzry	So, what's the name of the KP now?	13:41
ebzzry	s/KP/KP package/	13:43
infobot	ebzzry meant: So, what's the name of the KP package now?	13:43
freemangordon	kernel-power	13:43
freemangordon	"enhanced kernel for power users" or something	13:44
ebzzry	freemangordon: Thanks. How about its name in HAM?	13:44
ebzzry	freemangordon: ok	13:44
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ebzzry	boom. there goes a backupmenu restore.	14:00
ebzzry	somehow my cssu-testing installation borked up my system! >:-(	14:00
ebzzry	thanks to backupmenu. sigh	14:01
psycho_oreos	heh, that is a nice greet to cssu-testing :) not really for beginners.	14:03
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ebzzry	__sigh__	14:06
ebzzry	It would have been fine, had I known what happened. :)	14:06
ebzzry	consolatory messages would have been great! :-)	14:07
SAiF	I got my n900, touch screen changed, cost about 21.5USD or 16.2 Euro, or 1300rupee.	14:07
SAiF	then I noticed, that the key board lights are not working.	14:07
SAiF	thought of ambient light sensor, but its clearly open, but the led got hidden under a black coating or whatever.	14:08
psycho_oreos	I guess in some ways you might be able to backtrace to what may have caused the issue. Not sure about default HAM but HAM in red pill mode has access to interesting log section.. well in either case there should be a log of where HAM would be verbosee in its proceedings.	14:09
SAiF	okay LED is clearly under a coating, I cant even see it while charging,	14:10
psycho_oreos	Should probably take it back and say that it was not properly fixed, that there was keyboard LED which normally lights up are all now hidden thanks to that black coating or whatever.	14:10
SAiF	no no no ..	14:11
SAiF	the top led is under a black coating,	14:11
SAiF	but about keyboard lights I dont know.	14:11
SAiF	I can type in it, but I guess, it doesnt detect keyboard is pulled out.	14:12
psycho_oreos	You mean where there's that three LED colours that would show the state of the device?	14:12
SAiF	*(bad english)	14:12
ebzzry	hmm	14:12
SAiF	Yes that one	14:12
psycho_oreos	There's a GPIO sensor that would tell you if the keyboard "tray" is out or not. I'm not sure on your setup but I think you can find info from kernel via dmesg regarding if the keyboard slid open or was closed.	14:13
SAiF	okay, again. Charging LED is defenitely under a black coating, I can understand that, but why is the keyboard drawn out position not detected?	14:14
SAiF	^^I couldnt fully understand what you said..	14:14
psycho_oreos	There's a sensor that governs whether the keyboard tray is out. Depending on your setup you might be able to see via "dmesg" (a command line based command) to see if kernel would see the keyboard was open or not.	14:15
SAiF	okay..I think I should understand this time :) can you link me to a pic or something of that sensor, and where is it located?	14:16
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psycho_oreos	I'm not an engineer, DocScrutinizer05 would know very well about stuff like this but "dmesg" command should easily tell you if the sensor did detect keyboard is either out or in.	14:17
kupe	anybody what I am doing wrong here is uboot image	14:17
kupe	postimg.org/image/r35tdlvlv/70e3b7a9/	14:17
kupe	still there ain't an option for kp 51r1	14:18
SAiF	keyboard is definitely not detected, virtual keyboard opens up even with tray out, and portait mode, and it even doesnot unlock screen with drawing keyboard,	14:20
SAiF	And I think its Docs off duty time,	14:20
SAiF	will have to wait till night....	14:21
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psycho_oreos	SAiF, in the meantime you could consult with N900 hardware schematics. There's info on the wmo about it.	14:22
kupe	psycho please help	14:23
psycho_oreos	kupe, I don't have uboot setup. I can't I'm afraid (even though I ought to move to uboot soon).	14:24
* psycho_oreos looks at the link anyway.		14:24
kupe	thanks	14:24
psycho_oreos	From what I can see, I don't think there's any particular issue with your device. That might be the standard procedure as to what uboot does by default, is to prompt user choices.	14:25
psycho_oreos	What happens when you try the first choice?	14:26
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psycho_oreos	SAiF_, did you get my last message?	14:27
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kupe	attach kernel takes me to omap 1 kernel	14:28
psycho_oreos	I suppose it won't boot with the stock kernel?	14:29
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kerio	kupe: have you installed the bootimg?	14:30
kerio	have you ran u-boot-update-bootmenu?	14:30
SAiF	psycho_oreos , got it, was afk	14:30
SAiF	looking	14:30
kupe	here comes kerio yes i have ran u-boot-update-bootmenu	14:31
kerio	what was its output?	14:31
psycho_oreos	SAiF, from my N900 (with kp52) I slid the keyboard out and back in, "dmesg\| tail" yielded these as results: [64952.292419] slide (GPIO 71) is now open for keyboard "tray" out and [64965.253295] slide (GPIO 71) is now closed for keyboard "tray" in.	14:31
DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: check ~# dmesg	14:32
SAiF	okay..	14:32
DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: for >> slide (GPIO 71) is now open <<	14:32
psycho_oreos	It should be close to the bottom of the dmesg output, the more closer to the bottom of the output the more recent it is.	14:33
DocScrutinizer05	indeed ;-)	14:33
SAiF	oops theres lot, pls wait	14:34
DocScrutinizer05	there's some "black varnish" over the indicator LED always, that is the "sunglasses effect" and shouldn't stop indicator LED from shining thru it	14:34
psycho_oreos	I thought you would start telling him where the sensor might be located :) I have a hunch its underneath the screen but that's just a wild guess.	14:34
DocScrutinizer05	I could also thell him where on chip the BGA ball of the GPIO is, but would either help to solve his problem?	14:35
SAiF	GPIO 69 inactive	14:36
DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: for >> slide (GPIO 71) is now open <<	14:36
SAiF	I tried both ways, but it shows GPIO 69 is now inactive	14:37
psycho_oreos	I dunno, was just thinking if it may help to see where the faulty part may lie and whether it was the technician's fault or just the affected part(s) are dying out.	14:37
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psycho_oreos	Yeah GPIO 69 != GPIO 71. They're connected to different stuff.	14:37
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SAiF	oops again	14:37
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psycho_oreos	I suppose you could just do "dmesg\| grep slide"	14:38
SAiF	okay	14:38
SAiF	nothing	14:40
DocScrutinizer05	find /sys -iname 'engine'	14:41
kupe	kerio http://pastebin.com/ELeEGd3p	14:41
SAiF	please understand that I am a newbie, trying to keep up	14:41
kerio	kupe: but booting with the keyboard out doesn't show those entries?	14:42
kupe	yes	14:42
SAiF	i shoulb be root	14:42
DocScrutinizer05	or	14:42
DocScrutinizer05	ls -l /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/	14:42
kupe	kerio well what should i do now ??	14:43
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DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: ls -l /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/	14:43
SAiF	typing	14:43
DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: use tabulator to auto-complete pathnames	14:44
SAiF	I am on a pc, and n900 in my hand,	14:44
SAiF	what is tabulator	14:44
psycho_oreos	Alternatively if you have setup SSH, you can just SSH and paste those commands in :)	14:44
SAiF	okay dont mind	14:45
SAiF	I got the output	14:45
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DocScrutinizer05	/sy<TAB>/cl<TAB>/i2<TAB>/i<TAB>2/2<TAB>...	14:45
SAiF	I will, soon,	14:45
SAiF	okay,, I am such a fool	14:45
SAiF	so what should i tell you from this output	14:46
DocScrutinizer05	if there are 3 lines with engines, for example	14:47
DocScrutinizer05	http://privatepaste.com/37e6b81243	14:47
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DocScrutinizer05	engine1_mode ... engine3_mode	14:48
SAiF	yes	14:48
SAiF	3 engine lines	14:48
DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: cd /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/	14:48
DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: cat selftest	14:49
DocScrutinizer05	FFS I have a fail on LED3!	14:50
SAiF		14:50
SAiF	got an	14:51
SAiF	OK	14:51
DocScrutinizer05	might be related to my recent messing with triggers	14:51
DocScrutinizer05	good	14:51
freemangordon	hmm, I have fail on LED0 :(	14:51
SAiF	Can You please explain in short words what I just did?	14:51
SAiF	I guess testing, itself	14:52
SAiF	for errors..	14:52
DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: cd le<TAB>g	14:52
freemangordon	hmm, OK now	14:52
SAiF	hmm	14:52
freemangordon	SAiF: ignore me :)	14:53
DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: are you root?	14:54
SAiF	^^ happy to see you, freemangordon, though I have failed to get 720p working	14:54
SAiF	yes root	14:54
DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: are you in /sys/class/leds/lp5523:g now?	14:54
SAiF	yes	14:54
DocScrutinizer05	echo 50 > brightness	14:55
SAiF	where is '>'	14:56
SAiF	got it	14:57
SAiF	okay done	14:57
DocScrutinizer05	is indicator LED shining up green?	14:57
SAiF	no, its beneath	14:58
DocScrutinizer05	beneath?	14:59
SAiF	yes, I could see it after turnig of room lights, that too slightly for 1/20th of a second	14:59
DocScrutinizer05	please rephrase	14:59
SAiF	pls wait	15:00
SAiF	I saw green light shining for 1/20th of a second	15:01
DocScrutinizer05	that's weird	15:01
SAiF	I could only barely see that through this black coating.	15:01
DocScrutinizer05	I wonder if they installed some fake digitizer on your device	15:02
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SAiF	anyway my main concern is not front led,	15:02
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SAiF	I know it most probably may not be original	15:03
DocScrutinizer05	mine is, since that isn't supposed to vanish after 1/20th of a second	15:03
SAiF	Is the led located on the touch screen digitizer?	15:03
DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: cd ..	15:03
DocScrutinizer05	no	15:04
DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: cd *kb3	15:04
SAiF	then what difference the digitizer makes in led times	15:04
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SAiF	in kb3 now	15:05
DocScrutinizer05	ok seems this 20th second might have some reason	15:05
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SAiF	20th second in the sense, it shines at the instant when I press enter with that command	15:06
DocScrutinizer05	while :; do echo 100 >brightness; done	15:06
DocScrutinizer05	(stop by ctrl+C )	15:06
DocScrutinizer05	shall light up led behind I, O, K	15:07
SAiF	No, it doesnt	15:07
SAiF	yes	15:08
DocScrutinizer05	hm?	15:08
SAiF	again in a similar manner	15:08
SAiF	when I press enter, it lights up and fades out within a second	15:09
DocScrutinizer05	that's extremely strange	15:09
DocScrutinizer05	but shows your problem is sw side	15:09
SAiF	thanks then I could do a reflash	15:10
DocScrutinizer05	and actually some weird stuff around your digitizer having no transparent spot where indicator LED sits	15:10
DocScrutinizer05	I wonder whether your Ambient Light Sensor has a transparent spot	15:10
SAiF	that indicator LED, I can Adjust, because I had to wait 1.5months to get even this digitiser	15:10
SAiF	.. haha there is no transparent spot	15:11
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SAiF	thats what I was trying to say	15:11
SAiF	hahah	15:11
DocScrutinizer05	please do: cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/lux	15:11
SAiF	this keyboard thing I can reflash	15:11
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DocScrutinizer05	then cover upper right corner of screen frame next to NOKIA label with your thumb and do again (cursor up fetches last line)	15:13
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DocScrutinizer05	then expose device to bright light and do again	15:13
DocScrutinizer05	report the three numeric values you got	15:13
SAiF	pls wt	15:14
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DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: then do: cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state	15:14
DocScrutinizer05	cover same corner and redo	15:15
DocScrutinizer05	it should show "open", and then when covered show "close"	15:15
DocScrutinizer05	"closed" even	15:15
amin007110	Hmmmm...	15:15
SAiF	no such directory	15:15
SAiF	pls wait trying again. sorry to keep you waiting	15:16
DocScrutinizer05	np	15:16
DocScrutinizer05	use TAB	15:16
DocScrutinizer05	it never does spelling errors	15:16
DocScrutinizer05	cat /sy<TAB>/de<TAB>i<TAB>pl<TAB>gp<TAB>pr<TAB>st<TAB>	15:18
DocScrutinizer05	same with autocompletion in capitals:	15:18
SAiF	ho	15:18
SAiF	I got the first one 30	15:19
amin007110	Just curous to know if that little magnet exists in it's house under screen on top of third column from the right side of keyboard.	15:19
amin007110	*curious	15:19
DocScrutinizer05	cat /syS/deVices/plaTFOWM/gpIO-SWITCH/prOXIMITY/stATE	15:20
DocScrutinizer05	amin007110: yes, that's next to check, though we already kinda did that, via dmesg	15:20
amin007110	aha, ok	15:21
SAiF	was reading you above comment nokia was written on the left side?	15:21
DocScrutinizer05	and that was rather negitive result, though I don't trust in that result	15:21
DocScrutinizer05	yes, the metal frame has a NOKIA tab on left upper corner o.O	15:22
SAiF	yes now understand, the sensor, you mean. closed shows 0 and open shows 30 32	15:23
SAiF	in room light	15:23
DocScrutinizer05	that's almost OK	15:23
SAiF	285 near monitor	15:23
DocScrutinizer05	OK	15:24
DocScrutinizer05	wat about proximity sensor?	15:24
SAiF	power failed, I may go offline	15:24
SAiF	let me check	15:24
SAiF	got stuck when I opened the phone function,	15:26
SAiF	havent opened it for two months	15:26
DocScrutinizer05	hmm?	15:26
SAiF	not responding..	15:26
DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: then do: cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state	15:26
SAiF	restarting	15:27
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DocScrutinizer05	your device is thoroughly fsckd up, please do a full reflash	15:27
SAiF	actually, I reflashed a week before giving to technician,	15:28
DocScrutinizer05	and what did technician flash to it?	15:28
SAiF	nope, he just changed the digitizer	15:28
DocScrutinizer05	and which malware did he install?	15:28
SAiF	but A cause may be this.	15:29
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, busy. reflash, then test again and come back	15:30
SAiF	I had power kernel installed in it and he never switched off phone, he just remove the battery. and each time you boot in it shows kernel loading failed	15:30
DocScrutinizer05	cya	15:30
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SAiF	Doc.. will be back soon.	15:30
SAiF	thanks	15:31
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SAiF	it shows open and closed correctly	15:32
DocScrutinizer05	WOOOOOOW, cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest does a NIIIIICE lightshow	15:33
DocScrutinizer05	never knew	15:33
DocScrutinizer05	LOL	15:33
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SAiF	:(	15:34
DocScrutinizer05	you of course can SEE how it checks each LED	15:34
DocScrutinizer05	SAiF: why :( ?	15:35
SAiF	i dont see light show :)	15:36
SAiF	lol	15:36
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SAiF	amin007110 said something abt a magnet?	15:36
SAiF	do I have to open the back to check whether that magnet is still present	15:37
DocScrutinizer05	cd /sys/bus/platform/devices/slide	15:37
DocScrutinizer05	cat state	15:37
DocScrutinizer05	"open" / "close"	15:37
DocScrutinizer05	>> "open" / "closed"	15:38
DocScrutinizer05	depending on your kbd slider	15:38
SAiF	always closed	15:38
DocScrutinizer05	watch cat state	15:39
SAiF	both	15:39
DocScrutinizer05	(stop with ctrl+C)	15:39
kupe		15:39
kupe	yep	15:40
SAiF	thats an issue, I dont have to use ctrl+c, it automaticly comes to #	15:40
DocScrutinizer05	when it never shows "open" then your magnet missing. Get a magnet and place it next to upper row of opened kbd, slide along from Q to P	15:40
DocScrutinizer05	wait WHAT?	15:40
DocScrutinizer05	watch echo state	15:40
DocScrutinizer05	does NOT keep displaying the recent value?	15:41
SAiF	yes	15:41
DocScrutinizer05	until you abort it	15:41
DocScrutinizer05	that's a severe problem	15:41
SAiF	but fortunately SW right?	15:41
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DocScrutinizer05	anyway, please do a full reflash	15:41
DocScrutinizer05	won't cure your probably missong magnet, that got lost at technician when he replaced digitizer	15:42
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SAiF	yes after checking out that magnet from Q to P	15:42
DocScrutinizer05	(the magnet is "inside" screen slider)	15:42
SAiF	O.o,	15:43
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ebzzry	What are the usual "successful" ingredients to accomplish a complete CSSU-Testing installation?	15:43
SAiF	I dont want to think that much I will do a full reflash by night and be back soon, bye	15:43
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DocScrutinizer05	WTF?	15:44
amin007110	DocScrutinizer05, cat command represent just one result, it doesn't keep printing states. I think.	15:44
DocScrutinizer05	@ ebzzry	15:44
DocScrutinizer05	amin007110: check out ~# watch cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/slide/state	15:45
amin007110	now yes	15:45
kupe		15:46
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DocScrutinizer05	watch -bn1 cat state	15:46
Lava_Croft		15:46
DocScrutinizer05	WTF??? @kupe	15:46
DocScrutinizer05	freenode issues?	15:47
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DocScrutinizer05	[general notice] we achieved another step towards "maemo.org finally rached useful condition": promotion should work, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1364210&postcount=88	15:57
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DocScrutinizer05	please ask your government to make week 31 "maemo fixing celebration holiday"	16:01
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Lava_Croft	There's already a religious minority responsible for celebration holidays here	16:02
DocScrutinizer05	isn't it like this everywhere on this globe?	16:03
DocScrutinizer05	and isn't maemo community a religious minority?	16:03
jon_y	DocScrutinizer05: the whole week? :)	16:04
DocScrutinizer05	yessir	16:04
DocScrutinizer05	and we will see more to come till this week ends	16:05
DocScrutinizer05	:-)	16:05
jon_y	my calendar doesn't show work weeks :(	16:05
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DocScrutinizer05	toldya this bug I spotted was in the heart of maemo.org infra	16:05
DocScrutinizer05	and rendered it broken since end of last year	16:06
DocScrutinizer05	now that it's fixed we finally will sort out the few unrelated things easily	16:06
psycho_oreos	So what are those unrelated things just curiously?	16:08
DocScrutinizer05	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1364210&postcount=88	16:08
psycho_oreos	Ahh yes the autobuilder :)	16:08
DocScrutinizer05	dir owner/group/permissions	16:08
DocScrutinizer05	for example	16:08
DocScrutinizer05	we never realized since the jobs doing the promotion been broken thoroughly by that other core bug	16:09
DocScrutinizer05	now that the jobs work, we can spot those minor simple issues easily	16:10
DocScrutinizer05	maybe there's more to fix around user credentials/accounts promoting from garage to the other VMs	16:11
DocScrutinizer05	but we will fix such stuff too pretty soon now	16:11
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psycho_oreos	At least lesser need for maintanence overheads :D	16:12
DocScrutinizer05	indeed	16:12
DocScrutinizer05	takes a hell of a workload off techstaff's shoulders	16:12
DocScrutinizer05	and sixwheeledbeast will be unemployed ;-P	16:12
DocScrutinizer05	no more new recurring "old package version got removed by repo-management"	16:14
psycho_oreos	Probably the same goes with those aching apache issues I presume as well? :)	16:14
DocScrutinizer05	we will clean out quite exactly one million bogus package remove events which will speed up all cronjobs and stop heavy workload on apache for those cronjobs and pages like http://maemo.org/packages/view/pid/	16:16
jon_y	you run heavy cron jobs on your web server machine?	16:18
DocScrutinizer05	thus the cronjobs have a chance to actually finish and not abort with "out of RAM", and apache processes will not timeout and go zombie anymore	16:18
DocScrutinizer05	jon_y: you want to run them for us on your machine? ;-P	16:18
psycho_oreos	Yeah, hence those aching issues with apache and OOM. I remember that chunk of OOM errors you pasted the other day.	16:19
DocScrutinizer05	yep	16:19
jon_y	DocScrutinizer05: you only have a single server?	16:19
DocScrutinizer05	partially at least	16:19
psycho_oreos	Any relief is better than none :D that's the bottom line.	16:19
DocScrutinizer05	jon_y: please refer to http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure	16:20
DocScrutinizer05	and related pages	16:20
DocScrutinizer05	linked there	16:20
jon_y	I'm on DSL with about 20KB/s up link	16:21
jon_y	yeah, not much there to help host	16:21
DocScrutinizer05	jon_y: I was just kidding you. we don't need more servers to run jobs on them	16:23
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DocScrutinizer05	we have two blades populated with a hexacore, on a supermicro server, and we gonna pupulate a third blade eventually	16:24
DocScrutinizer05	populate even	16:24
DocScrutinizer05	jon_y: see http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?r=hour&cs=&ce=&m=load_one&s=by+name&c=maemo&h=&host_regex=&max_graphs=0&tab=m&vn=&sh=2&z=small&hc=4	16:25
kerio	90% of those resources end up feeding a php monstruosity, sadly :(	16:25
jon_y	ugh, I hate php after working with them	16:25
jon_y	the syntax the syntax!	16:25
jon_y	phpsadness	16:25
kerio	or lack thereof	16:26
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	16:26
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jon_y	I was actually bitten by the php "special" ternary	16:27
DocScrutinizer05	typically we're idling a lot, nevertheless	16:27
DocScrutinizer05	what we need is more storage and more memory	16:27
DocScrutinizer05	and we will get both with a third blade eventually	16:28
DocScrutinizer05	then we even got enough resources to joggle with to set up a development environment where we could test improvements to maemo.org	16:29
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DocScrutinizer05	if we find any maintainers/devels willing to take care and with enough free time for the workload this implies	16:30
freemangordon	sixwheeledbeast: ooh, flopswap is in testing :D	16:30
kerio	what's flopswap?	16:30
DocScrutinizer05	hi freemangordon :-)	16:30
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: hi	16:30
kerio	(swapon swap2 && swapoff swap1) \|\| (swapon swap1 && swapoff swap2)?	16:31
DocScrutinizer05	kinda	16:31
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: please post on TMO that autobuilder/repos are just fine, something in the line of "developers, developers..." :D	16:31
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: asking EVERYBODY not needing extras-devel to disable it immediately	16:31
DocScrutinizer05	eventually, freemangordon. I got an appointment with GF	16:31
DocScrutinizer05	will kill me when I'm late	16:32
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: I don't give a shit about your sexual life :P	16:32
freemangordon	ok	16:32
freemangordon	no hurry	16:32
kerio	i just use the watchdog to reset my swap usage	16:32
DocScrutinizer05	~rape freemangordon	16:32
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kerio	something tends to reboot my n900 before i've used my 2gb swap	16:32
freemangordon	kerio: the point is that promotion works ;)	16:32
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kerio	yay	16:32
DocScrutinizer05	2GB swap are insane nonsense	16:33
kerio	and yet	16:33
DocScrutinizer05	watchdog will reboot device when kernel tries to swap large amounts of it	16:33
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: once we cleanup the events table, I suspect we'll have some RAM freed	16:34
DocScrutinizer05	even .7GB are already too large	16:34
kerio	actually, the only time the watchdog triggered was when i was connected to a really flaky wifi hotspot	16:34
kerio	so i just assumed it was a powersaving issue	16:34
kerio	that caused a panic	16:34
freemangordon	(re infra resources)	16:34
kerio	but idk if a kernel panic ends up as a watchdog reboot in bootreason	16:34
DocScrutinizer05	the only reason why they used 768MB of swap space, except for marketing blabla, been that swap fragmentation kicks in later	16:35
kerio	yeah	16:35
kerio	and 2gb is even later	16:35
DocScrutinizer05	you can't reasonably use >maybe 500MB swap on a OMAP3 device with flash	16:35
kerio	of course you can't	16:36
kerio	i doubt you can get to 256mb of swap sanely	16:36
DocScrutinizer05	that would be what I'd use for swap size	16:36
kerio	even if it doesn't crash, it'll perform horribly	16:36
kerio	500mb of swap means you have to cycle swap partitions a lot more often than me	16:37
DocScrutinizer05	and then use floopswap or sth like that, frequently	16:37
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DocScrutinizer05	2 swap partitions of 256MB each	16:37
DocScrutinizer05	absolutely sufficient	16:37
DocScrutinizer05	keep one active, one to swapswap	16:38
DocScrutinizer05	(swapon swap2 && swapoff swap1) \|\| (swapon swap1 && swapoff swap2)	16:38
kerio	assuming swapon fails if the partition is already enabled	16:38
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DocScrutinizer05	yeah, won't prolly work, but nice oneliner anyway	16:39
DocScrutinizer05	;-)	16:39
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: maemo will complain if only 256MB of swap is set	16:39
DocScrutinizer05	oooh, why?	16:39
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kerio	i would actually make it barely more than 256mb	16:39
freemangordon	OMM killer settings	16:39
kerio	really?	16:40
DocScrutinizer05	hm?	16:40
kerio	but... there's 256mb	16:40
kerio	it's not out	16:40
freemangordon	check in /proc/sys/vm/...	16:40
freemangordon	IIRC OOM killer kicks in too early if anything < 512MB is set	16:40
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DocScrutinizer05	I recently reswapped to a tiny swap partition I happened to have on my uSD, and maemo actually unloeded some preloaded processes, but recovered just fine after reswapping again back to 768MB	16:41
DocScrutinizer05	and device been usable though laggy on that tiny swap as well	16:41
DocScrutinizer05	laggy on stuff like opening dialer etc	16:42
DocScrutinizer05	not generally laggy	16:42
DocScrutinizer05	of course, since it needs to swap out or even stop other processes to start up dialer when needed	16:42
DocScrutinizer05	but all that been completely transparent to user and not really had any negative impact on fremantle operation	16:43
psycho_oreos	So then make four "slabs" of swap with 256MB each, whilst simultaneously enabling two extra swaps (of 256MB) disable the other two swaps (of 256MB)?	16:43
kerio	psycho_oreos: why? :s	16:43
kerio	...hell, i think i might have two 2gb swap partitions on the usd	16:44
DocScrutinizer05	it just introduced some lag when opening new stuff like dialer etc, and of course some loglines in syslog from OOM	16:44
psycho_oreos	kerio, trying to kill two birds with one stone :)	16:44
DocScrutinizer05	OHM?	16:44
DocScrutinizer05	HD even?	16:44
psycho_oreos	HD OOM?	16:45
DocScrutinizer05	actually 3 swap partitions of 192MB each, of which always 2 are active, that might be worth a try	16:46
DocScrutinizer05	HD is the process managing the preload stuff	16:46
psycho_oreos	Ahh.	16:46
DocScrutinizer05	there are some rather nifty scripts somewhere	16:46
DocScrutinizer05	or was it actually c source?	16:47
DocScrutinizer05	can't recall, I looked into it when trying to figure what parameters the .desktop X-MAMEO-PRELOAD= key takes, except 'always'	16:48
kerio	'never'	16:48
kerio	'sometimes'	16:48
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DocScrutinizer05	actually it doesn't support any other values, but once it been planned to support other stuff that hen didn't pan out	16:49
DocScrutinizer05	s/ hen/ then/	16:49
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: actually it doesn't support any other values, but once it been planned to support other stuff that then didn't pan out	16:49
Kupe	hello everyone	16:52
DocScrutinizer05	sorry >>X-Maemo-Prestarted=always<<	16:52
psycho_oreos	On second thoughts of 3x192MB swaps. It probably will still trigger OOM killer since the threshold was < 512MB swap.	16:52
DocScrutinizer05	find the code that hanles this, and you also found the code that handles unloading of processes when short on RAM	16:53
DocScrutinizer05	mhm	16:53
* psycho_oreos would rather look at the shortcomings of quick and dirty hacks :D		16:54
DocScrutinizer05	Kupe: hi! here to stay this time?	16:54
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-08-01 14:46:15] <kupe>	16:55
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-08-01 14:46:19] <-- kupe has left this channel ("Leaving").	16:55
DocScrutinizer05	;-)	16:55
Kupe	need help on uboot	16:56
Kupe	:(	16:56
DocScrutinizer05	mhm	16:56
psycho_oreos	It seemed almost like kupe "ragequit" ducks	16:56
DocScrutinizer05	Kupe: so shoot!	16:56
psycho_oreos	Kupe, did you do what kerio said earlier on? there were two things you needed to do and you mentioned you did one. Nothing about the other.	16:56
Kupe	http://pastebin.com/ELeEGd3p and postimg.org/image/r35tdlvlv/70e3b7a9/	16:57
Kupe	I already did both	16:57
Lava_Croft	good focus	16:57
Kupe	I have u-boot flasher , fiasco-image_update ask and uboot tools installed	16:59
Kupe	I installed it using ham	17:00
psycho_oreos	<kerio> kupe: have you installed the bootimg? <--- I think that was left unanswered.	17:00
Kupe	ya it is installed	17:01
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Kupe	sorry guys it seems like noone is going to help	17:02
Kupe	I thought I should find out what I did wrong but...	17:04
Kupe	bye	17:04
psycho_oreos	~uboot	17:04
infobot	N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files	17:04
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DocScrutinizer05	o.O	17:05
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DocScrutinizer05	"nobody solving my problem, despite I already waiting 10min. See ya" cough	17:07
psycho_oreos	Can't help the helpless. We're not glued permanently to our devices 24x7 with complete wizardry-like level of skills when it comes to maemo devices.	17:07
DocScrutinizer05	annoying	17:08
psycho_oreos	It in itself is probably also a sign that this impatient user may soon part the N900.	17:08
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	17:09
* psycho_oreos senses probably another N900 will be available to buy soon enough.		17:09
DocScrutinizer05	;-)	17:09
DocScrutinizer05	o/	17:09
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psycho_oreos	Besides.. here isn't paid/priority/priviledged support. Here is community driven free help, nobody is obliged to help out regardless of whatever they were doing beforehand.	17:11
jon_y	what if he dumps the n900 into the recycling bin?	17:11
jon_y	nooooooo!!!	17:11
psycho_oreos	I don't think he would be that dumb to do that but who knows what he'll do with it. Hopefully the more sane way is to sell it to someone who would be more patient enough.	17:12
jon_y	do not underestimate what angry people do	17:13
jon_y	or the impatient	17:13
psycho_oreos	do not overthink about the situation either. Its not your device in the first place :)	17:14
jon_y	yeah, too bad	17:14
psycho_oreos	I'm sure the majority of us would like to think that he would have a more sane approach. He was evidently too impatient and is pretty lucky considering how many testers before him risked their devices to get a functional uboot.	17:17
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brolin_empey	DocScrutinizer05: At least you have a girlfriend. I barely even have any local female true friends. ☹	17:28
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brolin_empey	Incidentally, I want ckermit for Maemo 5 but I do not want to sidetrack myself to try building and packaging ckermit for Maemo 5. ☹	17:33
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Kupe	well Yes i was impatient I have been trying to get working uboot on my n900 since morning and couldn't find what I am doing wrong	17:37
Kupe	but that doesn't mean I am going to sell my n900 :)	17:38
* brolin_empey will have to settle for minicom for the few times he needs a handheld serial terminal emulator. ☹		17:39
Kupe	maybe its better to wait for newer version uboot 2013.7	17:40
brolin_empey	Or remember to finally try using GNU screen as a serial terminal emulator.	17:44
SAiF	phsyco_oreos: your senses are wrong in kupes case.. :)	17:44
Kupe	ya	17:45
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brolin_empey	Heh, nice cobweb site: http://kermit.wwarthen.com/	17:49
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SAiF	http://www.tox.im/	17:51
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psycho_oreos	The walls have ears.. o.O	17:57
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psycho_oreos	At least I wasn't completely wrong in my speculations :p N900 is an old device no matter how you look at it and I didn't think there would still be people that are impatient and not willing to part their beloved N900s :D	17:59
psycho_oreos	I'm sure t.m.o. would have a fair few threads about ubooting. There you might be able to pick up some clues as to why it may not work in your case. If all else fails, it doesn't hurt to ignite the same old threads about uboot again and wait for someone to give you maybe some directions.	18:01
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ShadowJK	phew. got crossed out sim icon, but no errors in dmesg. Reboot didn't help. Turned out the sim card was actually dislodged	18:37
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kerio	phew indeed	18:37
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kerio	kupe left again, wtf	18:38
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psycho_oreos	I'm sure whoever relayed messages to kupe about what was said after he left again will inform him either way.	18:47
kerio	omg omg omg omg omg pypy for ARM	18:50
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kerio	freemangordon: omg omg omg omg	18:52
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kerio	brolin_empey: i always found minicom to be better than screen to act as a serial terminal	18:55
kerio	screen always fucked up the pseudographical characters during the debian installs on my sheevaplug	18:56
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SAiF	sorry to bother you guys, but I just cant find that tiny little software (work around) for driver installation for flashing in win 7 64.	19:19
SAiF	It works great, and easy, but couldnt find it anymore. any help is appreciated.	19:20
thedead1440	SAiF: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Issues_with_64-bit_Windows_and_Workarounds	19:21
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SAiF	thanks, and ..	19:25
SAiF	Okay by reading that thread again I now know it was libusb-win32, again any links?	19:25
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thedead1440	again did you read it properly? The link is right there: http://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb-win32/files/latest/download	19:29
thedead1440	;)	19:29
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SAiF	There is something really wrong with me, I still couldnt find it, may be I am not looking well enough, the second google link get me to this same page.	19:31
SAiF	but thank you for your assistance..	19:31
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bef0rd	RzR: ffx phone was released in Venezuela today :) twitter.com/mozillaVe	19:46
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ecc2g	clear	21:05
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RzR	bef0rd, yes and http://rzr.online.fr/q/firefoxos# Did @mozilla actually said that in #Brazil there is still no date for the release or price ? #FireFoxOs ?	21:34
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freemangordon	kerio: hmm?	21:56
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kerio	pypy for ARM :D	22:01
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kerio	build pls	22:01
freemangordon	wtf is that?	22:01
freemangordon	python?	22:02
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kerio	yup	23:26
kerio	a JITted python implemented in a subset of python	23:26
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