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LjLuhm, been struggling to make the A part of A-GPS work without success until now i read on TMO that other people have recently started having the same problem... namely, the SUPL server that's by default stopped working at some point, people switched to, but that apparently stopped working too now. is there a known way to make either work again, or another server to use?02:53
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* drathir must fix usb port :/03:01
drathirim shocked why that often used parts wasnt maked more solid :/03:01
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ecc2git probably was because nokia did not expect the pcb metal to be so weakly attached to the fr403:02
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ecc2gthey did those thermal attaches for a reason:  to make sure it will solder together before melting other stuff...03:03
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ecc2gnow, why syncevolution broke, I will never know...but after clearing configs and setting it up again, it works once more.03:07
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drathirinteresting if i find place where can fix that... :p03:16
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infobot[usbfix] - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)03:17
drathiror need to find external charger and second battery..03:18
DocScrutinizer05better fix usb. You'll need to flash eventually03:20
drathirDocScrutinizer05: i even want to try but nokia attach strange smaller scuba than e51 have...03:24
DocScrutinizer05[notice] I tried to finally get rid of that friggin libx11-xcb1_1.1.99.6+0m5+withxcb, for good03:27
DocScrutinizer05deleted the files from repository hard (root shell)03:28
DocScrutinizer05now I hope there's only a new packages.gz build pending to return to semi-working state03:28
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DocScrutinizer05NOOOOOOOO!!!!! it got imported AGAIN!!03:30
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DocScrutinizer05but this time it didn't result in any new files showing up on repo03:32
DocScrutinizer05  :-P03:33
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DocScrutinizer05this is such a shite, this maemo midgard and whatnot cruft03:34
LjL~ supl03:36 known to be broken, use alternatives like! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen03:36
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drathirDocScrutinizer05: scubadriver if good remember...03:50
DocScrutinizer05~dict screw03:51
infobotDictionary 'screw' (1 of 16): someone who guards prisoners .03:51
DocScrutinizer05~dict screwdriver03:51
infobotDictionary 'screwdriver' (3): a cocktail made with vodka and orange juice ;; A tool for turning screws so as to drive them into their place. It has a thin end which enters the nick in the head of the screw. [1913 Webster] ;; a hand tool for driving screws; has a tip that fits into the head of a screw.03:51
DocScrutinizer05well, at least... :-D03:51
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LjL-MaemoWee, connectivity04:00
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drathirDocScrutinizer05:  yes correct...04:05
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keriowait, what08:31 stopped working too? :O08:31
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jogakerio, what, nooo08:47
kerioi hope not08:47
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* Luke-Jr wonders why there isn't just an official GPS SUPL server09:24
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kerioit appears that doesn't quite work ._.10:38
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kerioit was set at
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sardini_is yesterday last update cssu?11:04
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peterbjornxdoes anyone here know anything about the n900 and making alt. batterys?11:21
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psycho_oreossardini_, 1) It's best to ask in #maemo-ssu, 2) It probably won't be the last update, there seems to be new patches here and there that are coming through along with some issues with CSSU updates. 3) Depending on which flavour you have, CSSU-S is somewhat far from CSSU-T and bleeding edge is CSSU-D.11:32
keriopeterbjornx: alt. batteries?11:33
keriocssu-devel isn't a cssu flavour11:33
kerioit's just random packages11:33
kerioit's intended as a way for devs to push packages that can't fit in extras-devel11:33
keriohell, cssu-devel doesn't *exist*11:33
psycho_oreosAhh I thought the devel was one of those hidden repositories :)11:33
keriothere's a repo for personal use called community-devel11:34
kerioit's publicly available, to use at your own peril11:34
infobotcssu is, like,
peterbjornxkerio: i've got a 3.7 v 1.7Ah logitec li-ion battery that i want to use for my n90011:35
keriocssu-thumb is a modified cssu-testing with a lot of recompiled packages11:35
keriopeterbjornx: does it fit? :o11:35
peterbjornxno but my n900 isnt anywere near stock shape anyway11:36
keriodoes it have a shape?11:36
psycho_oreosSupposedly cssu-thumb takes advantage of the processor's capability (once it is unlocked).11:36
keriono, it's just a faster compiler configured to use a slightly more space-efficient instruction set11:37
kerioto use that instruction set, however, you need a workaround in the kernel for a silicon errata11:37
* brolin_empey got 2 new Nokia BL-5J batteries for a cash donation of 5 CAD to his local hack(er)space.11:38
keriopeterbjornx: well, grab a bl-5j, remove the cap, connect the wires11:39
psycho_oreosYeah the instruction set I don't think was enabled by default (re: thumb) no? At least that's how I read it about cssu-thumb stuff. There were two patches to the kernel that were needed to use thumb mode.11:39
kerioa kernel patch and a bugfix in the linker iirc11:40
kerioand there's nothing to enable, it's just a matter of using it11:40
* psycho_oreos shrugs.11:40
brolin_empeykerio: Is errata singular?  Or is errata the plural form of erratum?11:43
kerionot entirely sure11:43
sardini_CSSU Package(thumb) . Package missing libvte-common (>= 1:0.16.14-Omh9.m7) libvte4(>=1:0.16.14-0mh9.m7)11:45
sardini_seems to be a package issue and maybe not because of usb11:46
keriosardini_: pastebin the output of `apt-cache policy libvte-common`11:46
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brolin_empeydrathir: I had to have Nokia USA replace my first N900 under warranty because I could not find a local place which could fix the USB connector.  That was a hassle because I live in Canada, not the so-called United States of America.12:02
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sardini_brolin_empey, broken usb connector too, I use 2 battery and an external cherger12:03
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brolin_empeyThe N900 was not even released in Canada. :/12:04
brolin_empeyEven though at least some of its predecessors were.12:05
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* brolin_empey has had some negative experiences with crossing the border between Canada and the USA. Some of the staff at the border crossings seem to mistakenly believe that I am working for them instead of vice versa.12:17
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* brolin_empey does not want to live in the USA for various reasons.12:28
peterbjornxi hope that liion is gonna be charged anytime soon12:30
peterbjornxi gotta get my train to OHM2013 in a hour12:30
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DocScrutinizer05[notice] tmo down due to xen vif bug13:22
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DocScrutinizer05[notice] tmo back to normal13:54
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: that's not a notice at all!14:09
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-kerio- this is a notice!14:09
psycho_oreosThanks DocScrutinizer05 for addressing that issue, I was wondering for a brief moment what happened to tmo :D14:11
DocScrutinizer05Jul 30 12:04:07 blade-b kernel: vif vif-2-0 vif2.0: Frag is bigger than frame.14:12
DocScrutinizer05Jul 30 12:04:07 blade-b kernel: vif vif-2-0 vif2.0: fatal error; disabling device14:12
DocScrutinizer05Jul 30 12:04:07 blade-b kernel: xenbr1: port 3(vif2.0) entered disabled state14:12
keriofuckin xen14:12
keriowhy are we encountering so many problems?14:13
DocScrutinizer05the funny xen bug once again, which our brilliant sysops were able to track down and report and even fix to some extent on their own14:13
kerioisn't it supposed to be reliable?14:13
DocScrutinizer05kerio: nope, this bug hits *all* XEN installations worldwide14:14
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DocScrutinizer05a simple workaround is via some parameter offload=no, which in theory could reduce VIF performance by a few percent but didn't for us14:15
DocScrutinizer05until some months ago, XEN silently discarded such frag>frame packets. Recent releases have a patch that disables the VIF, and without xes' kernel patches, dom0 kernel even threw a OOPS and you had to reboot dom0 to recover VIF14:17
Wizzupbtw, I replaced a digitizer for someone and he needs to put more pressure on the screen when using his fingers -- probably not a very good digitizer14:19
WizzupIs there a way to set the threshold pressure for the n900?14:19
Wizzupmore pressure than usual*14:19
DocScrutinizer05the really "funny" detail in all this: frag resp framesize is a kernel buildtime parameter, and when the parameters of dom0 and domU kernels don't match, then at arbitrary moments - even after months of flawless operation - this "Frag is bigger than frame." hits. And there's no way to even *check* for compatibility of dom0 and domU kernels, since you obviously can't query frag/frame-size14:20
keriodoes recompiling every kernel to make sure that the parameters match fix it?14:21
DocScrutinizer05sure, that would help14:26
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DocScrutinizer05and HAH, maybe tmo / chem|st did a system update on tmo, introducing a new kernel14:26
DocScrutinizer05which might explain why we see that bug now, for first time14:27
DocScrutinizer05on tmo14:27
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SmokeyDhey all. I have an N900, and python running with the python-osso-abook module on it (downloaded from svn). The module works fine, but I don't know what the properties are that i can check on a Contact. Are there any docs on this anywhere?14:30
SmokeyDI can't find them14:30
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LjL-MaemoHmm, the irc thing that integrates with Conversations, while sleek, seems a bit unsuited to heavy irc use. The other irc clients i've spotted look moderately horrid...15:20
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kerioxchat? irssi?15:22
LjLyeah, i was kinda hoping there would be a properly hildon-looking client. xchat looks basically like its desktop version15:22
Sc0rpiusfreemangordon, ping15:25
Sc0rpiusautobuilder keeps failing now with a little different error15:25
Sc0rpiusit's not size mismatch but a 404 Not Found:15:25
Sc0rpiusFailed to fetch http://stage/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libx/libx11/libx11-data_1.1.99.6+0m5+withxcb_all.deb  404  Not Found15:26
Sc0rpiusE: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?15:26
Sc0rpiusbut same package.15:26
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SmokeyDI figured everything out. This is a nice sample script for use with python python-osso-abook module:
SmokeyDIt exports all contacts modified after a specific date (2011-08-27 in this case)15:41
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LjL-Pidgin1Hm qutim looks fancy, i had to switch the irc module to libpurple to make it work though16:18
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LjLmy memory is terrible - i think i had installed something, the other day, that facilitated enabling/disabling vibration, not sure if from the status menu or what. by default, unless "General" is with vibration and "Silent" is without or vice versa, to change vibration settings, you'd have to go into the Settings, there's no faster way, right? i don't remember what it might have been that made it easier.17:22
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kerioLjL: the profile applet in the status menu always let you toggle vibration17:56
kerioit's stock17:56
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freemangordonSc0rpius: ping18:11
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infoboti guess zimage-fb is on
kerioPali: hald-addon-bme reports a wrong battery capacity now18:12
Palikerio: design? last max? or current?18:13
keriodesign isn't reported anywhere in the n90018:13
kerioso last max, i guess18:13
freemangordonPali: design18:13
kerioactually, last full too18:14
Paliok, I will look at it18:14
* Pali writing note18:14
kerioPali: await pastebin18:14
Pali$ hal-device bme18:14
Paliand also18:14
Pali$ lshal18:14
kerio = 1267  (0x4f3)  (int)18:16
freemangordonlooks fine18:16
kerioeven if you want to keep using the silly design report, last full as provided by bq27k is 157418:16
keriofreemangordon: last full18:16
freemangordonbattery.reporting.last_full = 1267  (0x4f3)  (int)18:17
freemangordonis that BME?18:17
ecc2gread third pin resistor = "design capacity"?18:17
freemangordonecc2g: this is what bme replacement does18:17
keriofreemangordon: hald-addon-bme18:17
Palikerio: where is problem?18:18
freemangordonkerio: do you have rx51battery module loaded?18:18
Paliare values different as from /sys/class/power?18:18
freemangordonPali: btw I had the same problem as the guy on tmo18:19
freemangordonmy charge was something about 500mAh18:19
PaliI need output from lshal and from /sys/class/power18:19
freemangordonthe reported capacity was 200 mAh :D18:19
kerioPali: LMD is 157418:19
kerio(taken from /sys/class/power...)18:20
freemangordonPali: sorry, I was at the sea shore by that time and fishing :D18:20
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freemangordondidn;t take those outputs18:20
Palikerio: do you have loaded rx51_battery modele?18:20
freemangordonwill check what is going on if it happens again18:20
PaliIt looks like hald-addon-bme do not allow high value as from design18:21
PaliI do not remember how it is working... :-)18:21
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Lava_Croftnow thats proper url posting18:21
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Lava_Croftgood job18:21
freemangordonPali: we had some formula18:21
keriofor what?18:22
Palikerio: you have loaded rx51_battery module18:22
kerioyou always told me to keep it loaded18:22
Paliand hald-addon-bme using last capacity as max(rx51_battery value, last bq27 value)18:23
Palinot max, but min18:23
keriothat's fucking dumb, bq27k keeps track of LMD18:23
PaliI know, need to add some gconf key to disable rx51_battery in hald-addon-bme18:24
Paliso this is not bug, but design feature :-)18:24
keriobut why does it cap the value, regardless?18:24
PaliI will try to change it18:24
kerioit makes no sense18:24
kerioif bq27k is reporting a higher lmd than rx51's design then it's a lot more likely that the latter is wrong18:25
keriorather than the former18:25
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SAiFQuick questiion, qill N900 support UHS memory cards?18:26
kerioyes, but not at max speed, iirc18:26
SAiFwhat will be max transfer speeds that it can support?18:27
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Sc0rpiusfreemangordon, pong18:30
freemangordonSc0rpius: now the autobuilder should work, mind to reupload yappari to test?18:30
Sc0rpiusok lemme try18:31
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Sc0rpiuslooks like it worked18:45
freemangordonhmm, don;t see it in the queue18:48
freemangordonmaybe I am not looking at the right place18:48
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freemangordonSc0rpius: did you increase the version?18:51
freemangordonooh, build succeeded :)18:52
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Sc0rpiusyeah it worked :)18:52
Sc0rpiusI increased the version because I fixed a couple of bugs in the meantime18:53
freemangordonhmm, doesn;t look good
freemangordonlatest version is missing18:53
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freemangordonmaybe it needs some time to be copied18:55
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Sc0rpiusI wonder if we will ever import packages to extras18:57
Sc0rpiusthe karma system and all that stuff never worked anymore18:57
Sc0rpiusthe votes18:57
Sc0rpiusit usually takes a while to that package page to refresh18:58
freemangordonSc0rpius: well, now the autobuilder has I maintainer we'll fix it. hopefully18:58
Sc0rpiusactually it is not refreshed until the package is imported to extras-devel18:58
Sc0rpiusand that takes a little while, like an hour18:58
Sc0rpiuswhen the package is imported I can see there the filename, md5sum and size18:59
freemangordongoing to check in the repo18:59
Sc0rpiusit must be a cron process that runs like every hour or so18:59
Sc0rpiusbut it works, I just give it a little time :)18:59
freemangordonhmm, it is here
freemangordonSc0rpius: however, I know what the problem is19:00
freemangordondon;t worry19:00
Sc0rpiusI didn't even know there was a problem :/19:00
Sc0rpiusI usually wait an hour and everything gets right19:00
freemangordonsure there is19:00
WizzupIf it's in extras-devel, does that mean its foss now?19:01
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shawnjefferson22yes, in #maemo anyway19:54
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