IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-07-29

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DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-29 00:45:18] <freemangordon> we want to remove version ""02:01
DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-29 00:45:34] <freemangordon> but what we have is "2:"02:01
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DocScrutinizer05kudos to freemangordon02:09
DocScrutinizer05with a bit of luck this also explains the "removing old package version" spamming02:10
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DocScrutinizer05anyway we cleaned out the queue (db table) that had some 800k+ of bogus records02:12
DocScrutinizer05however we failed to fix stuff like
DocScrutinizer05repo-management enabled again02:14
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win7macfreemangordon: Man!02:20
DocScrutinizer05killing *my* PC02:22
DocScrutinizer05don't ask what it does to maemo.org02:22
DocScrutinizer05it's STILL loading02:22
DocScrutinizer05LOL, seems same shite happened already 2010-02-09 12:1202:24
DocScrutinizer05(it finished loading meanwhile)02:24
DocScrutinizer05then starting again 2012-12-28 11:46 every ~5min till today02:25
DocScrutinizer05funny enough it first imported diskusage 0.3.20090322-1  by system, then immediately started trying to remove old package diskusage 0.3.20090322-102:27
DocScrutinizer05according to /var/log/repository-queue-proc.log we seem to have zillions of such packages still02:28
DocScrutinizer05really zillions02:29
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DocScrutinizer05or wait, is this always the same 14 packages?02:29
DocScrutinizer05I leave it up to you to find out:
Sc0rpiusThese freezes are getting worse and worse02:32
Sc0rpiusNevermind me02:32
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: I try to delete bogus spinning packages as of pastebin above, you might try to pick up the rest I missed (if you really are such brave)02:46
psycho_oreospid 0.2.20090322-1 <-- lolwut02:47
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: so far I only "cleaned"
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DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: can you feel my pain?02:49
DocScrutinizer05I feel with poor servers02:49
DocScrutinizer05figure what happens when a spider searches the whole package interface02:51
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, seems like its really messy that log :/ yeah02:51
DocScrutinizer05you can bet on every of the packages in having a webpage like pid or diskusage02:52
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DocScrutinizer05I dunno if every of those packages has an "epoch"02:55
DocScrutinizer05but every of that log lines indicates another  "removing old package instance" event logged on that package's webpage02:55
DocScrutinizer05so I stopped repo-management again until we fixed that shit for good02:56
DocScrutinizer05(while freemangordon went to sleep ;-P )02:57
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psycho_oreosThat last link to pastebin contained what freemangordon was on about I suppose.03:03
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DocScrutinizer05we inserted a few "printf()" into that friggin php script, and those revealed the epoch (2:) issue03:41
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psycho_oreosAhh nice03:51
DocScrutinizer05now I wonder if that's the reason for all those packages that are listed as "File not found, not removing anything."03:56
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drathirDocScrutinizer05: thanks that little calm me, that overheat modules egsist and react when phone need that...04:41
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drathiranyway a lot of android users are affected broken signing package system, and that threat is more important than root acces and broke smthing by user i think...04:43
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drathirLjL: symbian also signing jad/jar files if not signed you cant even mark auto accept data acces...04:47
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drathiroter things is that most of ppl even dont read permissions what app have...04:48
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SAiFTrue... when we trust an app, we dont have to read all permissions04:52
drathiraanyway block root console is stupid idea because installer if im not wrong have root permissions anyway, and if bad app comming and accepted also destroy the whole system...04:55
shawnjeffersonDocscrutinzer51: I was looking at your pastebin with the errors about removing packages. I think part of the problem may be the fremantle/fremantle-1.3 issues.  check the pid package for instance, the version that's trying to be cleaned is only in fremantle-1.305:14
DocScrutinizer05nice find05:15
DocScrutinizer05lemme pastebin the full php script for you05:15
shawnjeffersondoesn't explain everything though, as I see those "old version cleaned" messages in the cc65 package page and this doesn't even exist in fremantle-1.3 at all...05:17
shawnjeffersonI'd like to see the script, sure05:18
DocScrutinizer05watch out, your eyes might start bleeding05:22
shawnjeffersonthx, taking a look... if i see anything jump out at me I'll let you know05:24
shawnjeffersonyou can run this manually?05:26
shawnjeffersonI wonder if you ran it against all the failing packages from your pastebin with php package-remove.php fremantle-1.3 extras-devel packagename version it might sort out a lot of those "file not found" messages05:29
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DocScrutinizer05no, we didn't do anything like that yet05:33
DocScrutinizer05so, aiui, you suggest that instead of05:35
DocScrutinizer05 /usr/bin/php5 /usr/local/bin/packages/package-remove.php fremantle extras-devel pid 0.2.20090322-105:35
DocScrutinizer05I should run on a rootshell sth like05:35
DocScrutinizer05 /usr/bin/php5 /usr/local/bin/packages/package-remove.php fremantle-1.3 extras-devel pid 0.2.20090322-105:35
DocScrutinizer05shawnjefferson: ^^^05:37
shawnjeffersonmaybe worth a try with one package...05:37
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's one package, no?05:38
shawnjeffersonthat file only exists in fremantle-1.305:38
DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# /usr/bin/php5 /usr/local/bin/packages/package-remove.php fremantle-1.3 extras-devel pid 0.2.20090322-105:39
DocScrutinizer05No repository found. (fremantle-1.3 extras-devel)05:39
DocScrutinizer05didn't you say you want to send your sshkey again?05:40
shawnjeffersonhmm, crap. :(05:40
DocScrutinizer05aiui fremantle-1.3 is crap05:41
shawnjeffersonyes, I can email it to you again05:41
DocScrutinizer05unixname been sjeffers?05:41
shawnjeffersonthere is a mismatch in the repos with fremantle and fremantle-1.3 that is definitely causing some problems.05:42
DocScrutinizer05yes. the 1.3 is bogus aiui05:42
shawnjeffersonon my ssh key?  I think it was shawnjefferson actually, but I could create a new user05:42
DocScrutinizer05I always claim incorrectly that it been invented to be a symlink to fremantle, but now I recall somebody told me that applies for extras only, NOT for extras-devel05:43
DocScrutinizer05nah, your username05:43
DocScrutinizer05for your account05:44
shawnjeffersonyes, my username on your side is sjeffers or should be05:45
DocScrutinizer05which VM?05:45
shawnjeffersonI think it's worse than that though... looking at the Packages file of each for pid shows more packages in fremantle1.3 but the filename is pool/fremantle/free/p/pid/pid_0.2.20090322-1 which seems wrong to me05:47
shawnjeffersonI guess the one that's got these repo scripts and autobuilder stuff05:47
DocScrutinizer05let's start with www05:50
DocScrutinizer05damn, your key has linebreaks, prolly from your mail agent05:51
shawnjeffersonoops, yep my fault05:51
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shawnjeffersonit looks like the php takes the 2: "epoch" into account... at first glance anyway05:54
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shawnjeffersonthat message you got about "no repository found" is from a failed db lookup for fremantle-1.3. guess it doesnt exist in midgard?05:56
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if that script has any elements that introduced a incompatibility when updating PGP05:56
DocScrutinizer05probably not05:56
DocScrutinizer05don't ask me about midgard05:56
DocScrutinizer05rather ask me about gardening, or cooking, I have more clue about those than about midgard05:57
shawnjeffersonit seems like at some point the midgard package db got out of sync with the repo, probably around this fremantle/fremantle-1.3 setup05:57
DocScrutinizer05(me has zilch idea about gardening)05:57
DocScrutinizer05no surprise, honestly. midgard had a corrupted repligard table for several months it seems05:58
DocScrutinizer05thus nuttin worked in midgard05:59
shawnjeffersonis this the script just to remove a package or is it called by batch scripts as well?06:00
shawnjeffersonie old package cleanup?06:00
DocScrutinizer05then jacekowski had the idea to simply drop it06:00
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DocScrutinizer05it seems it's frequently called by other scripts, since the errorlog I pastebinned has always a lot of packages listed06:01
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DocScrutinizer05I dunno for sure though06:01
shawnjeffersoni see where the fremantle1-3 stuff comes into the script...06:01
DocScrutinizer05sorry I'm soon afk06:02
DocScrutinizer05actually I'm supposed to be afk since 3h06:02
shawnjeffersonno prob, still looking at this script anyhow06:03
DocScrutinizer05please send better key06:03
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shawnjeffersonwill do!06:06
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DocScrutinizer05totally empty spam mail, cooooool06:25
DocScrutinizer05ok, afk now. sorry06:26
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freemangordonSc0rpius: ping09:47
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keriofreemangordon: pong11:51
keriobut i'm not Sc0rpius11:52
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LjLdoes rebooting the N900 actually suck a LOT of battery, or is it just the meter that guesses the wrong thing? (went from 60% to 10% after reboot)16:53
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SpeedEvilIt pins the CPU for a minute or so.16:53
SpeedEvilIf you keep the screen on, this may use...16:53
kerioabout the same as two minutes of screen on16:54
SpeedEvilI'd say under a percent of battery.16:54
kerioor something16:54
LjLhm, so it's the meter. i thought i remembered things about the N810 consuming a big amount of battery to reboot though, but i'm not sure i remember right16:55
SpeedEvilOld batteries are fundamentally unsuited to being used in a device with a cell modem.16:55
SpeedEvilIt causes major issues.16:55
SpeedEvilWell - technically improperly stored batteries.16:55
SpeedEvilI have just pulled out a 2 year old cell from my freezer, and it's as new.16:55
kerioSpeedEvil: bad at burst draw?16:56
SpeedEvilIn general, no device uses lots of power rebooting, compared to being in use.16:56
SpeedEvilkerio: Basically, yes.16:56
LjLSpeedEvil: well, one could imagine during parts of a reboot, there aren't proper energy saving measures in place16:56
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* LjL checks whether the N900's battery is still on sale16:58
Lava_CroftBL5J's are still on sale16:58
jaskamy mugen chucks for nearly a week still.. might look into making a kludgebattery if it croaks16:59
Lava_Croftmugen is useless because of its size16:59
Lava_Croftnot to mention its price:)17:00
keriothere's no energy to save during a reboot17:00
wndI'm quite happy with japod's replacement from dx17:00
LjLi'm a tad paranoid about batteries so i don't think i'd use a not-original one17:00
jaskasize isnt an issue for me17:00
kerio1600mAh, standard-size bl-5js exist17:00
TabletEvil Old batteries can have an effective resistance of an ohm or so. If the cell modem can draw an amp - this can cause it to go from 4.2-3.2 as a spike.nd when the voltage drops to 3.9V or so - 70% of full - a full-power transmit may drop the voltage to under the hard-power-off level.17:00
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keriotwice the size for half more capacity... no thanks17:00
LjLamazon sells the BL-5J for cheap enough, i hope it really is original though, i've never quite understood how Amazon works wrt stuff sold directly by Amazon / by third parties17:00
Lava_Croftand then that price17:00
Lava_Croft90dollars orso17:01
Lava_Croftfor 12euros you have a 1500+mah battery17:01
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keriofor $90 you can buy a used n90017:02
Lava_Crofthooking up two bl5j17:02
Lava_Croftthats a smarter/cheaper/better idea17:02
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LjLkerio: HEY i paid €90! :(17:05
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LjLsigh, of course on amazon some reviews says it's an original battery and some others say it's not. how can one even trust anything.17:12
Volvagia356Anyway I can reflash /, /home, and /opt, without reflashing /home/user/MyDocs?17:12
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DocScrutinizer05(battery 90->10%) let's do some math (tongue in cheek): BL-5J:=4.9Wh   * (90% - 10%) =3.92Wh    = 3.92 * 3600 = 14112Ws aka Joule. Consuming that amount of energy during - say - 60s of boot -> 14112Ws / 60s = TWOHUNDREDANDTHIRTYFIVE WATT17:13
DocScrutinizer05should suffice to melt your N900 to a liquid plastic blob17:14
LjLDocScrutinizer05: i said 60%, not 90%, but ok, point taken :P17:15
SpeedEvilIt's the same as these ridiculous 'flourescant tubes take half ano hours energy to start'17:16
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DocScrutinizer05yah, sometimes you wonder why God gave a brain to humans, and what they did with it during primary school physics lessons17:21
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DocScrutinizer05N900 battery can manage to warm up device noticeably for at least one hour, as probably everybody can tell from own experience. Now when that energy in battery is consumed during 1/60 of that 1h timespan, you'd think that temperature increase is 60 times as much17:24
DocScrutinizer05but well, people even believe bullshit like "chalk coating on your washing engine heating rods reduces heating efficiency"17:26
SpeedEvilAmusing to ask people to guess how high a phone could lift itself it it had a little wihch.17:27
DocScrutinizer05where the heck is the energy going to get lost to?17:27
SpeedEvilthere is enough energy in the battery to raise it 5km.17:27
SpeedEvilChalk coating on the rods reduces their life.17:27
DocScrutinizer05but for sure it can't magically beam enery into outer space17:28
SpeedEvilThough some semiconductors can.17:28
SpeedEvilLEDs - the nice ones - can be >50% efficient now17:28
SpeedEvil(Royal blue)17:28
SpeedEvil(Still sucky brightness, because of biophysics)17:29
SpeedEvilGah - disconnecting before I run out of the several megs of data I have left till tomorrow. (DSL died tue to lightning)17:30
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DocScrutinizer05oh right. bad luck, really17:31
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Volvagia356or do I have to manually backup MyDocs, reflash, and restore it later17:32
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kerioVolvagia356: flashing COMBINED will only restore rootfs and optfs17:35
kerioaka /home17:35
Volvagia356huh, according to the Wiki, flashing COMBINED only affects RootFs, while VANILLA affects OptFs and MyDocs?17:37
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kerio/home is cleared on firstboot17:37
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Volvagia356What actually happened was, I screwed up somewhere, and now /home is empty17:39
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kerioflash combined17:42
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: nope, /home isn't cleared17:58
DocScrutinizer05I'd swear /home/user and all of it's content survives a combined aka rootfs flashing17:59
DocScrutinizer05what is cleared is /home7opt18:00
DocScrutinizer05home/opt even18:00
DocScrutinizer05Volvagia356: df -h /home18:01
keriowell then you also have to flash VANILLA with --flash-only=home or something18:01
DocScrutinizer05check the filesystem it's mounted to18:01
Volvagia356DocScrutinizer05, maybe I should tell the full story18:01
DocScrutinizer05kerio: are you missing your coffee?18:01
Volvagia356Yesterday, when I rebooted my phone, the wallpaper was blank18:02
Volvagia356upon openning Media Player and Images, they reported 0 songs and 0 images18:02
Volvagia356did a hard-reset of Tracker, same thing18:02
DocScrutinizer05please do what I suggested18:02
DocScrutinizer05you probably miss mount of eMMC18:02
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# df -h /home18:04
DocScrutinizer05Dateisystem           Size  Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf18:04
DocScrutinizer05/dev/mmcblk0p2        2,0G  832M  1,1G  44% /home18:04
Volvagia356upon running 'ls' in /home/user/.cache/tracker, it gave "Stale NFS File Handle"18:04
Volvagia356eMMC mounted fine, I can browse it in file manager18:04
DocScrutinizer05ls or filemanager work as well on the mountpoint dir when eMMC actually is NOT mounted18:05
Volvagia356actually, none of that matters now18:06
Volvagia356some time ago, I symlinked the themes/fonts from rootfs over to optfs in order to save space18:06
DocScrutinizer05and even worse: everything you write to /home when eMMC is not mounted will fill up your / NAND 240MB of storage, and you can't remove it anymore once you mounted eMMC to /home, since those files are hidden then, so called phantom files18:07
Volvagia356just now, after screwing up an fsck on optfs, everything is stuffed into lost+found18:07
Volvagia356thus, system boots, but with all text appearing as square boxes and the default GTK theme18:07
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kerioVolvagia356: what's the output of `df -h /home` or `mount`?18:11
Volvagia356wait a sec, let me get out of backupmenu18:12
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keriowait, what?18:12
kerio/home doesn't get mounted inside backupmenu18:13
Volvagia356I know18:13
keriodo you have backups? you can just restore one18:13
kerioit should Just Work™18:13
Volvagia356no I don't18:14
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Volvagia356well let's just say at this point, there isn't enough of the UI working for me to launch XTerm, and SSHing doesn't work18:23
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kerioVolvagia356: well, ctrl+shift+x should give you an xterm18:32
kerioanyway, the default contents of /home aren't important i think18:32
kerioor maybe they are, hm18:33
kerioof /home/user, i mean18:33
Volvagia356what are the default contents anyway?18:33
kerioidk, but i bet there's some stuff18:33
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keriommh, apparently VANILLA is a single file18:37
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