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| DocScrutinizer05 | FYI: | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-29 00:45:18] <freemangordon> we want to remove version "1.1.99.6+0m5+withxcb" | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-29 00:45:34] <freemangordon> but what we have is "2:1.1.99.6+0m5+withxcb" | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libx11-data/1.1.99.6+0m5+withxcb/ | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libx11-data/ | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kudos to freemangordon | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with a bit of luck this also explains the "removing old package version" spamming | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway we cleaned out the queue (db table) that had some 800k+ of bogus records | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however we failed to fix stuff like http://maemo.org/packages/view/modrana/ | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | repo-management enabled again | 02:14 |
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| win7mac | freemangordon: Man! | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/29/plasma-desktopVa3743.png | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | killing *my* PC | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask what it does to maemo.org | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's STILL loading | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 89% | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL, seems same shite happened already 2010-02-09 12:12 | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (it finished loading meanwhile) | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then starting again 2012-12-28 11:46 every ~5min till today | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough it first imported diskusage 0.3.20090322-1 by system, then immediately started trying to remove old package diskusage 0.3.20090322-1 | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | according to /var/log/repository-queue-proc.log we seem to have zillions of such packages still | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | really zillions | 02:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or wait, is this always the same 14 packages? | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I leave it up to you to find out: http://privatepaste.com/1a5869910c | 02:32 |
| Sc0rpius | These freezes are getting worse and worse | 02:32 |
| Sc0rpius | Nevermind me | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: I try to delete bogus spinning packages as of pastebin above, you might try to pick up the rest I missed (if you really are such brave) | 02:46 |
| psycho_oreos | pid 0.2.20090322-1 <-- lolwut | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: so far I only "cleaned" http://maemo.org/packages/view/diskusage/ | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: can you feel my pain? | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I feel with poor maemo.org servers | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | figure what happens when a spider searches the whole package interface | 02:51 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, seems like its really messy that log :/ yeah | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can bet on every of the packages in http://privatepaste.com/1a5869910c having a webpage like pid or diskusage | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/d7647180f8 | 02:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if every of those packages has an "epoch" | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but every of that log lines indicates another "removing old package instance" event logged on that package's webpage | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I stopped repo-management again until we fixed that shit for good | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (while freemangordon went to sleep ;-P ) | 02:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | That last link to pastebin contained what freemangordon was on about I suppose. | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we inserted a few "printf()" into that friggin php script, and those revealed the epoch (2:) issue | 03:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | Ahh nice | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now I wonder if that's the reason for all those packages that are listed as "File not found, not removing anything." | 03:56 |
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| drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks that little calm me, that overheat modules egsist and react when phone need that... | 04:41 |
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| drathir | anyway a lot of android users are affected broken signing package system, and that threat is more important than root acces and broke smthing by user i think... | 04:43 |
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| drathir | LjL: symbian also signing jad/jar files if not signed you cant even mark auto accept data acces... | 04:47 |
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| drathir | oter things is that most of ppl even dont read permissions what app have... | 04:48 |
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| SAiF | True... when we trust an app, we dont have to read all permissions | 04:52 |
| drathir | aanyway block root console is stupid idea because installer if im not wrong have root permissions anyway, and if bad app comming and accepted also destroy the whole system... | 04:55 |
| shawnjefferson | Docscrutinzer51: I was looking at your pastebin with the errors about removing packages. I think part of the problem may be the fremantle/fremantle-1.3 issues. check the pid package for instance, the version that's trying to be cleaned is only in fremantle-1.3 | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice find | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lemme pastebin the full php script for you | 05:15 |
| shawnjefferson | doesn't explain everything though, as I see those "old version cleaned" messages in the cc65 package page and this doesn't even exist in fremantle-1.3 at all... | 05:17 |
| shawnjefferson | I'd like to see the script, sure | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/2f11e8829b | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watch out, your eyes might start bleeding | 05:22 |
| shawnjefferson | thx, taking a look... if i see anything jump out at me I'll let you know | 05:24 |
| shawnjefferson | you can run this manually? | 05:26 |
| shawnjefferson | I wonder if you ran it against all the failing packages from your pastebin with php package-remove.php fremantle-1.3 extras-devel packagename version it might sort out a lot of those "file not found" messages | 05:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no, we didn't do anything like that yet | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, aiui, you suggest that instead of | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/php5 /usr/local/bin/packages/package-remove.php fremantle extras-devel pid 0.2.20090322-1 | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should run on a rootshell sth like | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/php5 /usr/local/bin/packages/package-remove.php fremantle-1.3 extras-devel pid 0.2.20090322-1 | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right? | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shawnjefferson: ^^^ | 05:37 |
| shawnjefferson | maybe worth a try with one package... | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's one package, no? | 05:38 |
| shawnjefferson | that file only exists in fremantle-1.3 | 05:38 |
| shawnjefferson | yes | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | root@stage:~# /usr/bin/php5 /usr/local/bin/packages/package-remove.php fremantle-1.3 extras-devel pid 0.2.20090322-1 | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | No repository found. (fremantle-1.3 extras-devel) | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't you say you want to send your sshkey again? | 05:40 |
| shawnjefferson | hmm, crap. :( | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui fremantle-1.3 is crap | 05:41 |
| shawnjefferson | yes, I can email it to you again | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unixname been sjeffers? | 05:41 |
| shawnjefferson | there is a mismatch in the repos with fremantle and fremantle-1.3 that is definitely causing some problems. | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes. the 1.3 is bogus aiui | 05:42 |
| shawnjefferson | on my ssh key? I think it was shawnjefferson actually, but I could create a new user | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I always claim incorrectly that it been invented to be a symlink to fremantle, but now I recall somebody told me that applies for extras only, NOT for extras-devel | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, your username | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for your account | 05:44 |
| shawnjefferson | yes, my username on your side is sjeffers or should be | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which VM? | 05:45 |
| shawnjefferson | I think it's worse than that though... looking at the Packages file of each for pid shows more packages in fremantle1.3 but the filename is pool/fremantle/free/p/pid/pid_0.2.20090322-1 which seems wrong to me | 05:47 |
| shawnjefferson | I guess the one that's got these repo scripts and autobuilder stuff | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's start with www | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, your key has linebreaks, prolly from your mail agent | 05:51 |
| shawnjefferson | oops, yep my fault | 05:51 |
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| shawnjefferson | it looks like the php takes the 2: "epoch" into account... at first glance anyway | 05:54 |
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| shawnjefferson | that message you got about "no repository found" is from a failed db lookup for fremantle-1.3. guess it doesnt exist in midgard? | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if that script has any elements that introduced a incompatibility when updating PGP | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably not | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me about midgard | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather ask me about gardening, or cooking, I have more clue about those than about midgard | 05:57 |
| shawnjefferson | it seems like at some point the midgard package db got out of sync with the repo, probably around this fremantle/fremantle-1.3 setup | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (me has zilch idea about gardening) | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no surprise, honestly. midgard had a corrupted repligard table for several months it seems | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus nuttin worked in midgard | 05:59 |
| shawnjefferson | is this the script just to remove a package or is it called by batch scripts as well? | 06:00 |
| shawnjefferson | ie old package cleanup? | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then jacekowski had the idea to simply drop it | 06:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems it's frequently called by other scripts, since the errorlog I pastebinned has always a lot of packages listed | 06:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno for sure though | 06:01 |
| shawnjefferson | i see where the fremantle1-3 stuff comes into the script... | 06:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I'm soon afk | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I'm supposed to be afk since 3h | 06:02 |
| shawnjefferson | no prob, still looking at this script anyhow | 06:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please send better key | 06:03 |
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| shawnjefferson | will do! | 06:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when? | 06:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | totally empty spam mail, cooooool | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, afk now. sorry | 06:26 |
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| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: ping | 09:47 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: pong | 11:51 |
| kerio | but i'm not Sc0rpius | 11:52 |
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| LjL | does rebooting the N900 actually suck a LOT of battery, or is it just the meter that guesses the wrong thing? (went from 60% to 10% after reboot) | 16:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | It pins the CPU for a minute or so. | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | If you keep the screen on, this may use... | 16:53 |
| kerio | about the same as two minutes of screen on | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd say under a percent of battery. | 16:54 |
| kerio | or something | 16:54 |
| LjL | hm, so it's the meter. i thought i remembered things about the N810 consuming a big amount of battery to reboot though, but i'm not sure i remember right | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Old batteries are fundamentally unsuited to being used in a device with a cell modem. | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | It causes major issues. | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - technically improperly stored batteries. | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I have just pulled out a 2 year old cell from my freezer, and it's as new. | 16:55 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: bad at burst draw? | 16:56 |
| SpeedEvil | In general, no device uses lots of power rebooting, compared to being in use. | 16:56 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: Basically, yes. | 16:56 |
| LjL | SpeedEvil: well, one could imagine during parts of a reboot, there aren't proper energy saving measures in place | 16:56 |
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| * LjL checks whether the N900's battery is still on sale | 16:58 | |
| Lava_Croft | BL5J's are still on sale | 16:58 |
| jaska | my mugen chucks for nearly a week still.. might look into making a kludgebattery if it croaks | 16:59 |
| Lava_Croft | mugen is useless because of its size | 16:59 |
| Lava_Croft | not to mention its price:) | 17:00 |
| kerio | there's no energy to save during a reboot | 17:00 |
| wnd | I'm quite happy with japod's replacement from dx | 17:00 |
| LjL | i'm a tad paranoid about batteries so i don't think i'd use a not-original one | 17:00 |
| jaska | size isnt an issue for me | 17:00 |
| kerio | 1600mAh, standard-size bl-5js exist | 17:00 |
| TabletEvil | Old batteries can have an effective resistance of an ohm or so. If the cell modem can draw an amp - this can cause it to go from 4.2-3.2 as a spike.nd when the voltage drops to 3.9V or so - 70% of full - a full-power transmit may drop the voltage to under the hard-power-off level. | 17:00 |
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| kerio | twice the size for half more capacity... no thanks | 17:00 |
| LjL | amazon sells the BL-5J for cheap enough, i hope it really is original though, i've never quite understood how Amazon works wrt stuff sold directly by Amazon / by third parties | 17:00 |
| Lava_Croft | and then that price | 17:00 |
| Lava_Croft | 90dollars orso | 17:01 |
| Lava_Croft | for 12euros you have a 1500+mah battery | 17:01 |
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| kerio | for $90 you can buy a used n900 | 17:02 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 17:02 |
| Lava_Croft | hooking up two bl5j | 17:02 |
| Lava_Croft | thats a smarter/cheaper/better idea | 17:02 |
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| LjL | kerio: HEY i paid €90! :( | 17:05 |
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| LjL | sigh, of course on amazon some reviews says it's an original battery and some others say it's not. how can one even trust anything. | 17:12 |
| Volvagia356 | Anyway I can reflash /, /home, and /opt, without reflashing /home/user/MyDocs? | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (battery 90->10%) let's do some math (tongue in cheek): BL-5J:=4.9Wh * (90% - 10%) =3.92Wh = 3.92 * 3600 = 14112Ws aka Joule. Consuming that amount of energy during - say - 60s of boot -> 14112Ws / 60s = TWOHUNDREDANDTHIRTYFIVE WATT | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should suffice to melt your N900 to a liquid plastic blob | 17:14 |
| Wizzup | lol | 17:14 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: i said 60%, not 90%, but ok, point taken :P | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | It's the same as these ridiculous 'flourescant tubes take half ano hours energy to start' | 17:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yah, sometimes you wonder why God gave a brain to humans, and what they did with it during primary school physics lessons | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 battery can manage to warm up device noticeably for at least one hour, as probably everybody can tell from own experience. Now when that energy in battery is consumed during 1/60 of that 1h timespan, you'd think that temperature increase is 60 times as much | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but well, people even believe bullshit like "chalk coating on your washing engine heating rods reduces heating efficiency" | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Amusing to ask people to guess how high a phone could lift itself it it had a little wihch. | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where the heck is the energy going to get lost to? | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | there is enough energy in the battery to raise it 5km. | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Chalk coating on the rods reduces their life. | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but for sure it can't magically beam enery into outer space | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | energy | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Though some semiconductors can. | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | LEDs - the nice ones - can be >50% efficient now | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | (Royal blue) | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | (Still sucky brightness, because of biophysics) | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Gah - disconnecting before I run out of the several megs of data I have left till tomorrow. (DSL died tue to lightning) | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oh right. bad luck, really | 17:31 |
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| Volvagia356 | anyone? | 17:32 |
| Volvagia356 | or do I have to manually backup MyDocs, reflash, and restore it later | 17:32 |
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| kerio | Volvagia356: flashing COMBINED will only restore rootfs and optfs | 17:35 |
| kerio | aka /home | 17:35 |
| Volvagia356 | huh, according to the Wiki, flashing COMBINED only affects RootFs, while VANILLA affects OptFs and MyDocs? | 17:37 |
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| kerio | /home is cleared on firstboot | 17:37 |
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| Volvagia356 | What actually happened was, I screwed up somewhere, and now /home is empty | 17:39 |
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| kerio | flash combined | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nope, /home isn't cleared | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd swear /home/user and all of it's content survives a combined aka rootfs flashing | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what is cleared is /home7opt | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | home/opt even | 18:00 |
| kerio | mh | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Volvagia356: df -h /home | 18:01 |
| kerio | well then you also have to flash VANILLA with --flash-only=home or something | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check the filesystem it's mounted to | 18:01 |
| Volvagia356 | DocScrutinizer05, maybe I should tell the full story | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: are you missing your coffee? | 18:01 |
| Volvagia356 | Yesterday, when I rebooted my phone, the wallpaper was blank | 18:02 |
| Volvagia356 | upon openning Media Player and Images, they reported 0 songs and 0 images | 18:02 |
| Volvagia356 | did a hard-reset of Tracker, same thing | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please do what I suggested | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you probably miss mount of eMMC | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# df -h /home | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/mmcblk0p2 2,0G 832M 1,1G 44% /home | 18:04 |
| Volvagia356 | upon running 'ls' in /home/user/.cache/tracker, it gave "Stale NFS File Handle" | 18:04 |
| Volvagia356 | eMMC mounted fine, I can browse it in file manager | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ls or filemanager work as well on the mountpoint dir when eMMC actually is NOT mounted | 18:05 |
| Volvagia356 | actually, none of that matters now | 18:06 |
| Volvagia356 | some time ago, I symlinked the themes/fonts from rootfs over to optfs in order to save space | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even worse: everything you write to /home when eMMC is not mounted will fill up your / NAND 240MB of storage, and you can't remove it anymore once you mounted eMMC to /home, since those files are hidden then, so called phantom files | 18:07 |
| Volvagia356 | just now, after screwing up an fsck on optfs, everything is stuffed into lost+found | 18:07 |
| Volvagia356 | thus, system boots, but with all text appearing as square boxes and the default GTK theme | 18:07 |
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| kerio | Volvagia356: what's the output of `df -h /home` or `mount`? | 18:11 |
| Volvagia356 | wait a sec, let me get out of backupmenu | 18:12 |
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| kerio | wait, what? | 18:12 |
| kerio | /home doesn't get mounted inside backupmenu | 18:13 |
| Volvagia356 | I know | 18:13 |
| kerio | do you have backups? you can just restore one | 18:13 |
| kerio | it should Just Work™ | 18:13 |
| Volvagia356 | no I don't | 18:14 |
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| Volvagia356 | well let's just say at this point, there isn't enough of the UI working for me to launch XTerm, and SSHing doesn't work | 18:23 |
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| kerio | Volvagia356: well, ctrl+shift+x should give you an xterm | 18:32 |
| kerio | anyway, the default contents of /home aren't important i think | 18:32 |
| kerio | or maybe they are, hm | 18:33 |
| kerio | of /home/user, i mean | 18:33 |
| Volvagia356 | what are the default contents anyway? | 18:33 |
| kerio | idk, but i bet there's some stuff | 18:33 |
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| kerio | mmh, apparently VANILLA is a single file | 18:37 |
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| Apic | Hi. | 20:19 |
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