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SAiFGood morning to all (I guess..?) ;)04:21
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Guest69239I have a basic question relating to the Nokia N810 if anyone is willing to help me out06:46
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Guest69239well it looks like no one is actually here.07:02
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amin007110Lava_Croft, ping!09:31
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zammyhey there is someone there?11:07
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LauRomani stupidly tried to run filebox as root from xterm instead of using hamster filer and now when i start it in normal mode i can't see any icons for buttons or lists inside the app12:51
DocScrutinizer05that's for sure not a correct cause-result chain12:53
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LauRomaninbetween me running it as root and it not showing icons, it was lended to afriend and he formatted /MyDocs using his desktop, but that shouldn't affect filbox at all12:56
Marshall_BananaLauRoman: did you solve your problem with dropn900?13:01
Marshall_Bananawhat does the log window show?13:02
LauRoman13:02:55 [NETWORK]: Starting network connection monitoring...13:05
LauRoman13:02:55 -[CONFIG]: Found existing access token13:05
LauRoman13:02:55 [NETWORK]: Requesting for a network connection...13:05
LauRoman13:03:30 [NETWORK]: Device online: connected with WLAN_INFRA13:05
LauRoman13:03:30 [NETWORK]: Network connection established, fetching root metadata13:05
LauRoman13:03:32 ---[AUTH]: Account data received for (censored username:P)13:05
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Marshall_BananaLauRoman: Please start xterm and launch dropn900 by /opt/dropn900/ and check what the output is13:08
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DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: aiui you restored parts of device to recover from MyDocs formatting. I guess you deleted or not restored parts of /opt during that process13:10
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DocScrutinizer05...or even some hidden dirs or files on MyDocs, that may legitimately have been installed there by e.g. filebox. See the "see:" in13:12
infobotoptification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"13:12
DocScrutinizer05>>... User might see your files, can get confused and try to delete or rename them. <<13:13
Marshall_Bananabtw. what is good for?13:13
LauRomanMarshall_Banana, that looks fine now with standalone-sh, does that mean the .desktop file is screwed or somehow13:14
LauRomanMarshall_Banana, it shows the same log entries but the filepane is visible now13:15
Marshall_BananaSo it works now?13:15
LauRomanonly while using stanalone-sh13:15
LauRomanDocScrutinizer05, is optification part of community ssu? because if it is than that could be causing it13:16
DocScrutinizer05no, optification is a standard procedure mandatory for basically every package/app in maemo fremantle13:17
DocScrutinizer05Marshall_Banana: creates the necessary user env for processes not started under normal user account13:18
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DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: when something is running under but not under normal xterm user session, and also not from .desktop icon, then that most likely means sth is terribly broken with your standard user "user" startup env setup13:21
DocScrutinizer05it might e.g. mean you tweaked mount options and point in time of /opt, so hildon desktop is starting without proper link to /opt, or sth13:23
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DocScrutinizer05Marshall_Banana: very simple and obvious examples: $DISPLAY and the dbus session bus which should be user's session, not root's session13:28
DocScrutinizer05less $(which
DocScrutinizer05less /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh13:29
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DocScrutinizer05SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS_FILE=/tmp/session_bus_address.user etc13:31
DocScrutinizer05of course a filled up / may cause all sorts of nasty behaviour too13:34
DocScrutinizer05as well as a rootfs / not mounted rw13:34
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LauRomani know i definitely  did not intentionally screw up with any mounting options13:38
DocScrutinizer05then check >> mount; df -h  <<13:47
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DocScrutinizer05 for your reference13:49
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tadzikis modrana Search feature broken for everyone or just for me?13:54
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LauRoman first /home appears not to be mounted rw in my setup as opposed to DocScrutinizer0514:06
DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: exactly what I suspected14:07
DocScrutinizer05without /home, no 7opt. without /opt, a LOT of very unpleasant effects14:07
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infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: without /home, no opt. without /opt, a LOT of very unpleasant effects14:08
DocScrutinizer05make sure why your /home doesn't get mounted14:08
LauRomanso i just need to ad a rw option in fstab?14:08
LauRomani'll try and find out14:09
DocScrutinizer05make sure you have a CSSU-T release >=8.214:09
DocScrutinizer05CSSU-T8.0 is known to mess up fstab14:09
DocScrutinizer05or stuff around fstab14:09
LauRomancssu-t is cssu tuner?14:10
LauRomanyet it is 8.214:10
DocScrutinizer05still might have messed up your fstab14:11
LauRomanshould have i stayed on stable rather than testing?14:11
DocScrutinizer05ask pali where's the friggin HowTo-fix-CSSU-T8.0-fstab-fuckup14:11
DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: that's a good question14:12
DocScrutinizer05I don't feel tempted to continue updating cssu-t, I'l stay with cssu-t7, and I several times regretted that I haven't switched to cssu-stable when it came out14:13
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DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: anyway aiui cssu-t8.2 doesn't usually touch fstab anymore, so youu're free to edit it to a sane and working state14:16
DocScrutinizer05*I guess*14:16
DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: make sure you have no cruft in your /home/* mountpoint dir!!14:17
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LauRomani was going to do that but then i read it is created on the fly, but if you say it isn't affected anymore i'll give it a try14:18
DocScrutinizer05you probably want to do ln /home-cruft /home before mounting /home fs14:19
DocScrutinizer05so after mounting eMMC to /home you can copy /home-cruft/* to /home14:19
DocScrutinizer05the rm /home-cruft14:20
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DocScrutinizer05do a proper backup  of /home/user before you copy any bogus files from /home-cruft/user/* to /home/user/*14:21
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DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: try to find the changelog or README for the fstab / preinit patches done to CSSU-T8. It should have explanation on how to guarantee that fstab isn't touched anymore. Since that's been the SOLE PURPOSE of that whole patch ;-P14:30
DocScrutinizer05I think it checks for existence of a /.fstab-dont-touch-me file (name a makeup of me)14:31
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DocScrutinizer05ask pali, he's author of that whole patch, and I think he should've provided proper HowTo with it14:32
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DocScrutinizer05(tbh I feel a tiny bit pissed to do the user-helpdesk to catch up the mess this patch caused. Zhis shouldn't be my task, there oughta be a proper comprehensive HowTo elaborating on the cause, the mechanisms that acted, and the suggested solution to fix and recover, as well as a manpage how to use that stuff once it got fixed)14:35
DocScrutinizer05if there already IS such a HowTo then nobody informed me about it14:35
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LauRomanthanks for the great insight DocScrutinizer05 this is the second time you have helped me a lot14:47
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LauRomani went and asked him about the patch and i hope for a response14:48
LauRomanit appears im haunted by (un)mounted partitions, because just last week i flashed an old android phone for a friend, and i had errors for almost two hours until i found out that on partition was not mounting automatically in clockwork mod14:56
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* ShadowJK finds a nokia box15:29
ShadowJKfor some reason I find it amusing that the logo on the rubber boots box is basically identical to current nokia logo :)15:30
Lava_Croftamin007110: pong?15:30
amin007110Lava_Croft, I did successfully update nokia maps using nokia suite new version some hours ago :)15:31
amin007110A total of 7.81GB world map is available. I download 2 random maps. Toronto, On and another one in asia.15:32
Lava_Crofthm, that hung here on getting eu base map15:32
Lava_Croftill check later, thanks!15:33
amin007110well, next time i will check eu. asia base map and north america one downloaded successfully.15:35
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qwazixare there any clean Pr1.3 backupmenu images around?15:48
qwazixgoogle doesn't produce something that looks legitimate15:48
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zammyhey there?16:06
zammyI  have problems with gmail on n90016:06
ecc2gmessage not found error?16:08
zammyevery time it says server not found16:08
zammybut I delete the account and I restore it16:09
zammyagain server not found16:10
zammyI mean I receive the message but as I tip on it to open the message and read it... the message popups16:10
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: rubber boots nokia box?16:12
Lava_Croftrather common, those boxes16:12
DocScrutinizer05keep it, it may be worth a lot once Nokia returns to making rubber boots only, in ~6 months I'd guess. They might want to buy back those old boxes to expose them in their museum16:13
qwazixzammy, install latest CSSU or
infobotqwazix meant: zammy, install latest CSSU-T or
zammydouble same message I got it thx16:14
zammyexcessive support16:14
infobot:), DocScrutinizer0516:15
infobotI learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"16:15
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qwazixDocScrutinizer05, any chance you got a fresh PR1.3 or CSSU backupmenu backup?16:16
DocScrutinizer05could possibly prepare one16:17
DocScrutinizer05what for?16:17
qwazixrestore broken-usb device16:17
qwazix(I could reflash my working one and get one but if someone has one ready, I would appreciate it)16:17
DocScrutinizer05I seem to have "virgin/" though still might have some privacy data like WLAN password16:17
DocScrutinizer05I don't mind sharing to you, not though to general public16:18
qwazixI won't come hack your LAN I promise16:18
DocScrutinizer05k, wait a minute16:18
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zammyhey qwazix please can you give me the right deb link?16:25
zammyI see a list16:25
DocScrutinizer05sorry, no BM backup16:25
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: I can create a BM backup I guess16:25
qwazixno prob, I'll clone my working device16:25
zammywhich one ?16:25
DocScrutinizer05better that16:25
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qwazixdon't bother, I don't want to put the work I was trying to avoid on you.16:26
qwazixzammy, I think all of them16:26
qwazixzammy, sorry, no16:26
qwazixzammy, just a sec16:27
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: wait! what's your problem? broken USB port?16:27
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DocScrutinizer05aah, you already answered that. sorry, a bit thick today16:28
DocScrutinizer05I think I *ought* provide a virgin CSSU BM backup for general public16:28
DocScrutinizer05but honestly, not too temped right now16:29
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, long story: bought broken-usb device used and I want to restore it16:29
qwazixmy main one has u-boot and cssu-thumb and I'm afraid that cloning it may cause bootloop16:30
Hurrianqwazix: buy a new port, or get a flashing jig, both are really work it16:30
qwazixwhich might be hard to get out of without usb16:30
DocScrutinizer05err bootloop16:30
qwazixHurrian, Port is in place, I tried sticking it better but I don't trust my soldering skills to try more16:31
zammyok qwazix16:31
zammythank you16:31
Hurrianqwazix: ah16:31
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qwazixanyway, I'll be alright with the broken usb because it's backup device, and I rarely use the usb on the main one anyway16:32
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qwazixI just want to get rid of all data that are not mine16:32
Hurrianqwazix: if you don't trust the backupmenu images floating around, unpack the PR1.3 fiasco16:32
Hurrianwith rescueOS installed, you can spend as much time as you want editing configs16:32
qwazixHurrian, I can't even find one floating around16:33
DocScrutinizer05BM imgs floating around? where?16:33
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Hurrianhuh, wait, doesn't robbie have them on his website?16:33
DocScrutinizer05nah, he has a fiasco with BM integrated16:33
zammy samn90016:34
Hurrianmeh, just replace /sbin/preinit with a vanilla one to skip bm16:34
DocScrutinizer05and we damn sure should create *official* mirrors od stuff like BM, rescueOS etc16:34
DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: a FIASCO16:35
HurrianDocScrutinizer05: whoops, mean BM image16:35
DocScrutinizer05how ould anybody restore that via BM restore?16:35
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Hurrianfresh PR1.3, only non-vanilla thing is that BM is installed.16:35
qwazixyeah, but it's a flasher image not a backupmenu image16:36
qwazixand I can't flash due to no usb16:37
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psycho_oreosYou could probably unpack the fiasco image with the flasher tool and then maybe tar.gz it up afterwards. *shrugs*16:38
Hurrianwonder what those are16:38
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: yep, most likely16:38
qwazixHurrian, million thanks16:39
DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: that looks excellent16:39
qwazixI didn't know that was there, I just saw the fiasco image on the thread16:39
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DocScrutinizer05honestly, I have to pester robbiethe1st if he needs *anything*, and then send it to him in a package he can't refuse to receive16:41
DocScrutinizer05if HiFo and council is worth anything, then that. Make sure brilliant guys like Pali, Robbiethe1st, freemangordon don't miss any hw or stuff they need to carry on16:43
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qwazixDocScrutinizer05, yep16:46
qwazixwtf, my N900 downloads at 80kb/s16:54
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: rather download via PC to uSD16:55
qwazixYeah, it crossed my mind, but I saw the small overall size and I was too lazy to swap the μSD16:55
DocScrutinizer05small overall size? only 155MB16:56
qwazixyeah, what's 155mb? I usually download that in a couple of minutes16:57
DocScrutinizer05should still DL fine, via wlan and proper internet connectivity16:57
DocScrutinizer05try my alternative as of above16:57
qwazixpc downloads at 600+ using the same WLAN16:58
DocScrutinizer05dang, stack error. Somebody asked sth16:58
DocScrutinizer05seems that got answered already16:59
DocScrutinizer05~seen robbiethe1st17:00
infobotrobbiethe1st <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 11h 33m 12s ago, saying: '... of course, this is the wrong window, but meh'.17:00
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DocScrutinizer05~listkeys BM17:03
infobotFactoid search of 'BM' by key (20 of 174): bme ;; bmrt ;; country .bm ;; dbmaker ;; dubmed ;; garbmail ;; gdbm ;; ibm ;; ibm visualization data explorer ;; icbm ;; jargon ibm discount ;; netpbm (formerly pbmplus) ;; obm ;; pbm2 ;; pbm2ppa ;; pebmac ;; set xbmodder ;; typhoon rdbms ;; weathercode enbm ;; weathercode fabm.17:03
DocScrutinizer05thought as much17:03
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #maemo BM17:03
infobotFactoid search of '#maemo BM' by key (3): #maemo bme-replacement #DEL# ;; #maemo bmo ;; #maemo bme-replacement.17:03
DocScrutinizer05~literal bm17:04
infobot"bm" is "<reply>see backupmenu"17:04
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys backupmenu17:04
infobotFactoid search of 'backupmenu' by key (2): backupmenu #DEL# ;; backupmenu.17:04
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DocScrutinizer05~#maemo bm-images is   FIASCO+BM:
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0517:08
zammyhey qwazix17:08
zammythat has not helped17:08
infobot[bm-images]   FIASCO+BM:
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zammyI mean I tried to install the deb17:09
zammybut they were not compatible17:09
DocScrutinizer05pastebin diagnostic output17:09
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infobotA "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few:,,,,; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.17:09
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; yep :)17:14
DocScrutinizer05yep wut17:14
DocScrutinizer05sorry, stack overflow17:14
DocScrutinizer05rather, heap cleaned17:14
ShadowJK@ nokia rubber boots box17:15
DocScrutinizer05context lost17:15
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* DocScrutinizer05 ponders when he had his last pair of rubber boots17:16
DocScrutinizer05might be about time to get some17:16
DocScrutinizer05actually I think that's ~40 years since I last had rubber boots17:18
* ShadowJK gets back to mowing the lawn, in non-nokia boots17:18
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DocScrutinizer05no nokia boots on fleabay17:21
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DocScrutinizer05>>More items related to "rubber boots nokia"<<  Rubber Coated Cover Black For Nokia XpressMusic 5610...17:22
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DocScrutinizer05  urgently needs update17:39
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DocScrutinizer05jr@saturn:~/bin> file fiasco-gen17:58
DocScrutinizer05fiasco-gen: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, not stripped17:58
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# fiasco-17:59
DocScrutinizer05fiasco-do-update     fiasco-flasher       fiasco-image-update17:59
DocScrutinizer05scp fiasco-gen Iron900:/17:59
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DocScrutinizer05** PROBLEM Service Alert: is CRITICAL **18:05
DocScrutinizer05chem|st_: ANYTHING PENDING? that I should know of?18:06
* DocScrutinizer05 headdesks18:09
DocScrutinizer05root@talk:/var/log# du -h .18:10
DocScrutinizer056.1G    ./apache218:10
DocScrutinizer05root@talk:/var/log# df -h .18:10
DocScrutinizer05Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on18:10
DocScrutinizer05/dev/xvda        15G   15G     0 100% /18:10
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kerio6gb of logs? :o18:12
DocScrutinizer05no more18:12
DocScrutinizer05rm *.log.[12][0-9].gz18:14
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DocScrutinizer05root@talk:/var/log/apache2# df -h .18:14
DocScrutinizer05Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on18:14
DocScrutinizer05/dev/xvda        15G   13G  1.9G  87% /18:14
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r-----  1 root adm  1637190584 Jul 20 15:14 access.log18:15
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r-----  1 root adm  1713973601 Jul 14 06:27 access.log.118:15
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ecc2gat least logrotate is working18:15
DocScrutinizer05prolly time to give tmo a reboot18:15
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DocScrutinizer05logrotate LOL ;-P18:16
DocScrutinizer05sorry, no other clue how to recover tmo VM from recent glitch, other than to reboot it18:17
DocScrutinizer05or maybe18:17
DocScrutinizer05seems everything back to normal?18:17
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DocScrutinizer05if you seem to encounter abnormal tmo behavior (VM, *not* lusers! ;-P), please holler18:22
DocScrutinizer05** RECOVERY Service Alert: is OK **18:23
DrCodehi all18:23
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DrCodeI got no space left in rootfs and apt-get, any idea?18:23
DocScrutinizer05you got no space left on apt-get?18:24
DrCodealso in app manager18:24
DocScrutinizer05sorry, this makes no sense. Maybe you meant "apt-get complains about 'no space left on rootfs'"18:25
DrCodethats right18:25
DrCodeI can't install18:25
DocScrutinizer05you filled rootfs with cruft18:25
DrCodewhen I run df -h , I see rootfs 0 space18:26
DocScrutinizer05sorry no way on earth to tell you which particular cruft that might've been18:26
DocScrutinizer05maybe sth you installed and rather shouldn't have done that18:26
DocScrutinizer05or you copied files to there18:26
DocScrutinizer05or syslog filled up your rootfs18:26
DocScrutinizer05there's a zillion possibilities, each single one caused by user, not by system18:27
DrCodehow can I get to roofs? I want to run du -h18:27
DocScrutinizer05xterm, root, du -h18:27
Lava_Croft300 updates and counting18:28
Lava_Croftgo windows!18:28
DocScrutinizer05actually you don't even need root18:28
DrCodebut I see that rootfs is only 270mb18:28
DrCodecan I move it or expaend iT?18:28
DocScrutinizer05that's as much as you possibly might get18:28
Lava_Crofthow do people even manage to fill it up :<18:29
DocScrutinizer05there's a zillion possibilities, each single one caused by user, not by system18:29
DrCodewhere can I find what take space in rootfs?18:29
DrCodeis it releated to apt-get?18:29
Lava_Croftim pretty much at the bottom of responsible computer people, but that hasnt happened yet18:30
DocScrutinizer05du -h /18:30
Lava_Crofti did break partition tables on desktop PC last night and lost everything not backed up18:30
Lava_Croftso \o/18:30
DocScrutinizer05DrCode: and no, most likely not related to apt-get18:30
DocScrutinizer05unless you used apt-get to install some package that's not meant to get installed on N90018:31
Lava_CroftDrCode: you havent had that n900 for long right, and flashed it very recently18:31
Lava_Croftso the timespan in which you could have screwed up isnt that large18:31
DocScrutinizer05well, time for another reflash18:32
Lava_Croftand backupmenu right away afterwards18:32
Lava_Croftand keep making backups:P18:32
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DocScrutinizer05and stay away from root18:32
DocScrutinizer05and apt-get18:32
Lava_CroftDrCode: if you are only a little bit like me, expect to reflash more often :P18:32
Lava_Croftdont go poking about if you dont really know what you are doing18:33
Lava_Croftn900 is like windows, most of the time the answer is ´format it!´18:33
DocScrutinizer05user "user"'s $home is on 2GB eMMC. Nobody but root *can* write to / aka rootfs humble 240MB raw18:34
DocScrutinizer05so unless you did wget http://some-huge-crap as root, in root's $HOME, I dunno how you could've messed it up18:35
DocScrutinizer05thus: stay away from root and sudo gainroot18:36
DocScrutinizer05best: unistall rootsh18:36
DocScrutinizer05(and YES, uninstall all crap apps that claim to need it, too)18:37
NIN101you can simply fill it up by installing too much applications.18:38
DocScrutinizer05unless those were apps that never may have gone to extras repo18:39
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DocScrutinizer05no tested and rightfully promoted app may use up >50kB of /18:39
DocScrutinizer05maybe 10018:40
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DocScrutinizer05so even worst case you had to install several 100s of apps to fill up rootfs18:40
NIN101well, I have had a different experience. Maybe those were some extras-devel applications, non optificated, dunno.18:42
DocScrutinizer05If anybody gets to know about any app in maemo-extras that eats more than 100kB of rootfs space, please let me know. Such app need urgent fix (optification)18:42
DocScrutinizer05NIN101: you can't find any tested&promoted app in extras-devel,  per definitionem18:44
NIN101DrCode didn't say whether he has extras-devels enabled or not.18:45
DocScrutinizer05he didn't say much about what he did anyway18:45
DocScrutinizer05as per general advice, you MUST NOT have extras-devel enabled on a per-default basis18:46
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.18:47
DocScrutinizer05~rfc 211918:47
infobotwell, rfc 2119 is Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels. S. Bradner. March 1997. (Format: TXT=4723 bytes) (Also BCP0014) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE)18:47
NIN101I don't care about this advice. and 90% of maemo users neither,18:49
DocScrutinizer05your fault18:49
NIN101I know. I didn't complain.18:49
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Lava_Croftif maemo was healthy, extras-devel would probably indeed by bad to have enabled by default18:50
Lava_Croftbut most broken apps on extras-devel have been spotted by now:P18:50
DocScrutinizer05so what?18:51
Lava_Croftits probably smart to wear your seatbelt, even when driving to the local supermarket ;)18:51
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Lava_Croftso what as in if maeo was actually healthy and saw a lot of new applications incoming, extras-devel would be different18:52
DocScrutinizer05do you suggest new users search the interwebs to find out which are those spotted apps?18:52
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DocScrutinizer05NB there's not even a general means to remove any app from extras-devel18:53
Lava_Crofti suggest nothing18:53
DocScrutinizer05whatever gets uploaded to there will likely stay until maemo goes down18:53
Lava_Croftin theory you are very right18:54
Lava_Croftin practice it just doesnt really matter18:54
Lava_Croftuntil theory catches up;)18:54
DocScrutinizer05sorry, Lava_Croft, I don't get the point of your statement >><Lava_Croft> but most broken apps on extras-devel have been spotted by now:P <<18:54
DrCodeI don't know18:54
DrCodehow do I check it?18:54
qwazixmeh, reboot loop!18:55
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Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: after a while, you have probably installed a few broken things from extras-devel, thats what i meant18:55
Lava_Croftlife is tough around extremists18:56
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DrCodeis there youtube player?18:57
Lava_Crofttried searching for youtube or tube or you in the app manager18:58
Lava_Croftcan search for 'cute' too! ;)18:58
infobotwell, pkg is
DrCodeI did19:00
DrCodebut it still dosnt play video19:00
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DocScrutinizer05last time I checked I had no issues playing lowres youtube videos in microB19:02
DrCodeI tryied cute19:03
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DrCodedo I need to install flash or somthing?19:03
DocScrutinizer05flash is installed19:03
DrCodestrange , it dosn't play well19:05
DrCodeI am thinking to refleash it and install it again19:05
Lava_Croftcutetube works fine here19:06
DrCodewhat firmware to install?19:06
DrCodelava:last time U told me some appliction that sync gmail contacts and calander?19:07
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DrCodesomethinng call eminim?19:07
DrCodedon't remmber the exct name19:07
Lava_Croftno, i told about an app to sync calendar, called erminig or erminig-ng :)19:07
Lava_Croftgoogle calendar, not contacts etc19:07
DrCodeand contacts I can sync via mfe19:08
Lava_Crofti guess, never tried19:08
DrCodeexchange sync19:08
DrCodewhat firmware is recommanded?19:09
DrCodeglobal or middle east?19:09
DrCodealso is it recommanded to use cssu?19:09
qwazixglobal, and yes, the stable version19:10
DocScrutinizer05just works (with some stuttering in video but OK audio)19:10
DrCodecssu stable?19:10
qwazix(though if you use gmail you will need until it gets into cssu stable)19:10
DrCodeI will reflash19:11
DrCodedose the global have hebrew or arabic version?19:12
DrCodein my n900 I couldn't find hebrew19:12
qwazixnot sure about that19:13
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qwazixI use ukeyboard which adds a couple of input languages19:13
qwazixgoing out, cya later19:13
DrCodethankyou qwazix19:14
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DocScrutinizer05DrCode: about hebrew support you need to wait a bit til the guys who *should* know will answer19:26
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Siceloqwazix: gmail fix reached CSSU-S long ago :)19:48
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DocScrutinizer05it did?19:53
DocScrutinizer05I thought that's been quite recent fix19:53
DocScrutinizer05even to CSSU-T19:54
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Sicelowell, i did apt-get update one day, and the fix immediately prompted to install19:54
DocScrutinizer0521.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.2 (14.06.2013)  Fixed gmail FETCH reply containing more that one open/close bracket pairs19:55
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DocScrutinizer0521.2011.38-1Smaemo6.1 (18.06.2013)  tinymail   fixing gmail FETCH problem19:57
DocScrutinizer05well, looong ago as in ... 5 weeks ;-)19:57
DocScrutinizer05but yeah you're right19:57
DocScrutinizer05(looking up changelogs helps a lot ;-D)19:58
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders how that fix made it from T to S in just 4 days :-o20:01
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DocScrutinizer05damn that HAS to be a small and safe fix20:01
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chem|st_DocScrutinizer05: as I said the server needs some love!20:51
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: yep20:56
DocScrutinizer05and twi http-access.log, one 1.5 and one 1.7GB in size is a particular PITA in itself20:57
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DocScrutinizer05could anybody tell me sth about this html snippet, and why it doesn't display tmo-based karma (or if it's even meant to display tmo/any karma at all)21:00
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DocScrutinizer05I guess the whole black magic is about net_nehmer_account_karma_dba::new_query_builder() and $karmas = $qb->execute()21:03
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qwazixSicelo, ack. I thought that post was updated.21:14
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, I don't know how safe it is, but I know that it was so important it had to go to S pretty fast. Made devices unusable for those of us that use gmail.21:16
Sicelothe code looks completely safe21:17
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: sure, but that's not yet sufficient criteria to cut corners on quarantine21:17
qwazixDocScrutinizer05,  I think that it is, but that's opinion, and I'm not CSSU so it doesn't matter too much21:19
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qwazixon another topic, is there any way to access the device besides fixing the usb or using jtag?21:20
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DocScrutinizer05yes, sure21:25
DocScrutinizer05J2000 pin 3 :: USB VBUS 5V21:30
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DocScrutinizer05I suggest getting one of those rubber blocks with embedded parallel conductive rubber fibers, commonly found to connect LCD to LCDcontroller PCB21:34
DocScrutinizer05cut off a piece log enough and high enough to exactly fit into the aperture around J5000/1. Then pierce the tin-coated wire ends of D+ and D- of your USB cable into the according conductive fibers in that rubber block, place it into the aperture and fixate it inserting the battery21:37
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Pali@all cssu testers: big pulseaudio testing is needed:
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win7macGood evening all!21:58
Siceloepub readers on N900 are almost all slow :-/22:03
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qwazixDocScrutinizer05, I fixed it! I resoldered the usb, flashed, and I'm in maemo now.23:12
qwazixI cut the extra metal from the usb port like you said. Thanks, you rock!23:12
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix: \o/23:13
win7macN900Scrutinizer05 ;)23:15
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FIQ|n900xchat went a little sad on startup blaming permissions in the logfiles23:54
FIQ|n900I took a look and after a while, found out a few files with the following data shown on ls -l:23:54
FIQ|n900-????????? ? ?    ?            ?                ? LaZ-.log23:54
FIQ|n900what does this mean?23:54
FIQ|n900it seems unable to find any data on the file at all23:55
FIQ|n900corrupt data? something else?23:55
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FIQ|n900and if it's the former - how should I go and solve it?23:55
ecc2gyeah usually that means the filesystem is corrupt, possibly due to flash failure...23:56
FIQ|n900flash failure eh23:56
FIQ|n900if it's hw fault, I guess there's no way to remedy it?23:56
FIQ|n900ecc2g: is there another remedy apart from "reinstall everything from scratch"? :p23:58
FIQ|n900because I would rather avoid that23:59
FIQ|n900seems like 4 files are affected, in .xchatlogs23:59

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