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| LauRoman | i stupidly tried to run filebox as root from xterm instead of using hamster filer and now when i start it in normal mode i can't see any icons for buttons or lists inside the app | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's for sure not a correct cause-result chain | 12:53 |
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| LauRoman | inbetween me running it as root and it not showing icons, it was lended to afriend and he formatted /MyDocs using his desktop, but that shouldn't affect filbox at all | 12:56 |
| Marshall_Banana | LauRoman: did you solve your problem with dropn900? | 13:01 |
| LauRoman | nope | 13:02 |
| Marshall_Banana | what does the log window show? | 13:02 |
| LauRoman | Dropn900 | 13:05 |
| LauRoman | 13:02:55 [NETWORK]: Starting network connection monitoring... | 13:05 |
| LauRoman | 13:02:55 -[CONFIG]: Found existing access token | 13:05 |
| LauRoman | 13:02:55 [NETWORK]: Requesting for a network connection... | 13:05 |
| LauRoman | 13:03:30 [NETWORK]: Device online: connected with WLAN_INFRA | 13:05 |
| LauRoman | 13:03:30 [NETWORK]: Network connection established, fetching root metadata | 13:05 |
| LauRoman | 13:03:32 ---[AUTH]: Account data received for (censored username:P) | 13:05 |
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| Marshall_Banana | LauRoman: Please start xterm and launch dropn900 by run-standalone.sh /opt/dropn900/dropn900.py and check what the output is | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LauRoman: aiui you restored parts of device to recover from MyDocs formatting. I guess you deleted or not restored parts of /opt during that process | 13:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ...or even some hidden dirs or files on MyDocs, that may legitimately have been installed there by e.g. filebox. See the "see:" in | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification | 13:12 |
| infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>... User might see your files, can get confused and try to delete or rename them. << | 13:13 |
| Marshall_Banana | btw. what is run-standalone.sh good for? | 13:13 |
| LauRoman | Marshall_Banana, that looks fine now with standalone-sh, does that mean the .desktop file is screwed or somehow | 13:14 |
| LauRoman | right? | 13:14 |
| LauRoman | Marshall_Banana, it shows the same log entries but the filepane is visible now | 13:15 |
| Marshall_Banana | So it works now? | 13:15 |
| LauRoman | only while using stanalone-sh | 13:15 |
| LauRoman | DocScrutinizer05, is optification part of community ssu? because if it is than that could be causing it | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, optification is a standard procedure mandatory for basically every package/app in maemo fremantle | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Marshall_Banana: run-standalone.sh creates the necessary user env for processes not started under normal user account | 13:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LauRoman: when something is running under run-standalone.sh but not under normal xterm user session, and also not from .desktop icon, then that most likely means sth is terribly broken with your standard user "user" startup env setup | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it might e.g. mean you tweaked mount options and point in time of /opt, so hildon desktop is starting without proper link to /opt, or sth | 13:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Marshall_Banana: very simple and obvious examples: $DISPLAY and the dbus session bus which should be user's session, not root's session | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | less $(which run-standalone.sh) | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | less /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh | 13:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS_FILE=/tmp/session_bus_address.user etc | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course a filled up / may cause all sorts of nasty behaviour too | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as well as a rootfs / not mounted rw | 13:34 |
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| LauRoman | i know i definitely did not intentionally screw up with any mounting options | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then check >> mount; df -h << | 13:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/5ad01a08bb for your reference | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bbl | 13:50 |
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| tadzik | hello | 13:54 |
| tadzik | is modrana Search feature broken for everyone or just for me? | 13:54 |
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| LauRoman | first /home appears not to be mounted rw in my setup as opposed to DocScrutinizer05 | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LauRoman: exactly what I suspected | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | without /home, no 7opt. without /opt, a LOT of very unpleasant effects | 14:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/7// | 14:08 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: without /home, no opt. without /opt, a LOT of very unpleasant effects | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make sure why your /home doesn't get mounted | 14:08 |
| LauRoman | so i just need to ad a rw option in fstab? | 14:08 |
| LauRoman | ok | 14:09 |
| LauRoman | i'll try and find out | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you have a CSSU-T release >=8.2 | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU-T8.0 is known to mess up fstab | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or stuff around fstab | 14:09 |
| LauRoman | cssu-t is cssu tuner? | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-testing | 14:10 |
| LauRoman | oh | 14:10 |
| LauRoman | yet it is 8.2 | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still might have messed up your fstab | 14:11 |
| LauRoman | should have i stayed on stable rather than testing? | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask pali where's the friggin HowTo-fix-CSSU-T8.0-fstab-fuckup | 14:11 |
| LauRoman | :) | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LauRoman: that's a good question | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't feel tempted to continue updating cssu-t, I'l stay with cssu-t7, and I several times regretted that I haven't switched to cssu-stable when it came out | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YMMV | 14:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LauRoman: anyway aiui cssu-t8.2 doesn't usually touch fstab anymore, so youu're free to edit it to a sane and working state | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *I guess* | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LauRoman: make sure you have no cruft in your /home/* mountpoint dir!! | 14:17 |
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| LauRoman | i was going to do that but then i read it is created on the fly, but if you say it isn't affected anymore i'll give it a try | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you probably want to do ln /home-cruft /home before mounting /home fs | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so after mounting eMMC to /home you can copy /home-cruft/* to /home | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the rm /home-cruft | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | do a proper backup of /home/user before you copy any bogus files from /home-cruft/user/* to /home/user/* | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LauRoman: try to find the changelog or README for the fstab / preinit patches done to CSSU-T8. It should have explanation on how to guarantee that fstab isn't touched anymore. Since that's been the SOLE PURPOSE of that whole patch ;-P | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think it checks for existence of a /.fstab-dont-touch-me file (name a makeup of me) | 14:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ask pali, he's author of that whole patch, and I think he should've provided proper HowTo with it | 14:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (tbh I feel a tiny bit pissed to do the user-helpdesk to catch up the mess this patch caused. Zhis shouldn't be my task, there oughta be a proper comprehensive HowTo elaborating on the cause, the mechanisms that acted, and the suggested solution to fix and recover, as well as a manpage how to use that stuff once it got fixed) | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if there already IS such a HowTo then nobody informed me about it | 14:35 |
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| LauRoman | thanks for the great insight DocScrutinizer05 this is the second time you have helped me a lot | 14:47 |
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| LauRoman | i went and asked him about the patch and i hope for a response | 14:48 |
| LauRoman | it appears im haunted by (un)mounted partitions, because just last week i flashed an old android phone for a friend, and i had errors for almost two hours until i found out that on partition was not mounting automatically in clockwork mod | 14:56 |
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| * ShadowJK finds a nokia box | 15:29 | |
| ShadowJK | for some reason I find it amusing that the logo on the rubber boots box is basically identical to current nokia logo :) | 15:30 |
| Lava_Croft | amin007110: pong? | 15:30 |
| amin007110 | Lava_Croft, I did successfully update nokia maps using nokia suite new version some hours ago :) | 15:31 |
| amin007110 | A total of 7.81GB world map is available. I download 2 random maps. Toronto, On and another one in asia. | 15:32 |
| Lava_Croft | hm, that hung here on getting eu base map | 15:32 |
| Lava_Croft | ill check later, thanks! | 15:33 |
| amin007110 | :) | 15:33 |
| amin007110 | well, next time i will check eu. asia base map and north america one downloaded successfully. | 15:35 |
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| qwazix | are there any clean Pr1.3 backupmenu images around? | 15:48 |
| qwazix | google doesn't produce something that looks legitimate | 15:48 |
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| zammy | hey there? | 16:06 |
| zammy | I have problems with gmail on n900 | 16:06 |
| ecc2g | message not found error? | 16:08 |
| zammy | every time it says server not found | 16:08 |
| zammy | but I delete the account and I restore it | 16:09 |
| zammy | again server not found | 16:10 |
| zammy | I mean I receive the message but as I tip on it to open the message and read it... the message popups | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: rubber boots nokia box? | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow | 16:12 |
| Lava_Croft | rather common, those boxes | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | keep it, it may be worth a lot once Nokia returns to making rubber boots only, in ~6 months I'd guess. They might want to buy back those old boxes to expose them in their museum | 16:13 |
| qwazix | zammy, install latest CSSU or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90399 | 16:13 |
| qwazix | s/CSSU/CSSU-T/ | 16:13 |
| infobot | qwazix meant: zammy, install latest CSSU-T or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90399 | 16:13 |
| zammy | double same message I got it thx | 16:14 |
| zammy | LOL | 16:14 |
| zammy | excessive support | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 16:15 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer05 | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help | 16:15 |
| infobot | I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?" | 16:15 |
| infobot | 37 topics: action, addressing, alternation, author, banadd, bandel, botmail, chanadd, chandel, chaninfo, chanset, chanunset, chattr, chnick, chpass, contents, convert, cookie, corrections, cpustats, crypt, cycle, dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dfind, dice, dict, dns, do, dollar variables, dstats, factinfo, factstats, flags, forget, freshmeat | 16:15 |
| infobot | 39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostadd, hostdel, httpdtype, identify, ignore, ircstats, join, karma, kernel, kick, lart, lc, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lobotomy, lock, main, math, md5, mode, news, news add, news del, news mod, news set, news set expire, nickometer, onjoin, ord, page, part, piglatin, quote, redirection | 16:15 |
| infobot | 33 topics: rename, reply, reverse, rot13, rssfeeds, say, scramble, search, seen, slashdot, spell, status, tell, topic, topic add, topic del, topic mod, topic mv, topic restore, translate, uc, unforget, unlobotomy, unlock, upsidedown, uptime, useradd, userdel, verstats, wantnick, whois, wikipedia, wtf | 16:15 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, any chance you got a fresh PR1.3 or CSSU backupmenu backup? | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could possibly prepare one | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what for? | 16:17 |
| qwazix | restore broken-usb device | 16:17 |
| qwazix | (I could reflash my working one and get one but if someone has one ready, I would appreciate it) | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to have "virgin/" though still might have some privacy data like WLAN password | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't mind sharing to you, not though to general public | 16:18 |
| qwazix | I won't come hack your LAN I promise | 16:18 |
| qwazix | :) | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | k, wait a minute | 16:18 |
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| zammy | hey qwazix please can you give me the right deb link? | 16:25 |
| zammy | I see a list | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no BM backup | 16:25 |
| zammy | http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/tinymail/ | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: I can create a BM backup I guess | 16:25 |
| qwazix | no prob, I'll clone my working device | 16:25 |
| zammy | which one ? | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better that | 16:25 |
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| qwazix | don't bother, I don't want to put the work I was trying to avoid on you. | 16:26 |
| qwazix | zammy, I think all of them | 16:26 |
| qwazix | zammy, sorry, no | 16:26 |
| qwazix | zammy, just a sec | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: wait! what's your problem? broken USB port? | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, you already answered that. sorry, a bit thick today | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think I *ought* provide a virgin CSSU BM backup for general public | 16:28 |
| qwazix | zammy, http://privatepaste.com/8e949f285a | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, not too temped right now | 16:29 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, long story: bought broken-usb device used and I want to restore it | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 16:29 |
| qwazix | my main one has u-boot and cssu-thumb and I'm afraid that cloning it may cause bootloop | 16:30 |
| Hurrian | qwazix: buy a new port, or get a flashing jig, both are really work it | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 16:30 |
| qwazix | which might be hard to get out of without usb | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (break) | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err bootloop | 16:30 |
| zammy | oko | 16:31 |
| qwazix | Hurrian, Port is in place, I tried sticking it better but I don't trust my soldering skills to try more | 16:31 |
| zammy | ok qwazix | 16:31 |
| zammy | thank you | 16:31 |
| Hurrian | qwazix: ah | 16:31 |
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| qwazix | anyway, I'll be alright with the broken usb because it's backup device, and I rarely use the usb on the main one anyway | 16:32 |
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| qwazix | I just want to get rid of all data that are not mine | 16:32 |
| Hurrian | qwazix: if you don't trust the backupmenu images floating around, unpack the PR1.3 fiasco | 16:32 |
| Hurrian | with rescueOS installed, you can spend as much time as you want editing configs | 16:32 |
| qwazix | Hurrian, I can't even find one floating around | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BM imgs floating around? where? | 16:33 |
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| Hurrian | huh, wait, doesn't robbie have them on his website? | 16:33 |
| zammy | samn900, http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/tinymail/ | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, he has a fiasco with BM integrated | 16:33 |
| zammy | http://privatepaste.com/8e949f285a samn900 | 16:34 |
| Hurrian | meh, just replace /sbin/preinit with a vanilla one to skip bm | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we damn sure should create *official* mirrors od stuff like BM, rescueOS etc | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: a FIASCO | 16:35 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: whoops, mean BM image | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how ould anybody restore that via BM restore? | 16:35 |
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| Hurrian | fresh PR1.3, only non-vanilla thing is that BM is installed. | 16:35 |
| qwazix | yeah, but it's a flasher image not a backupmenu image | 16:36 |
| qwazix | and I can't flash due to no usb | 16:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | You could probably unpack the fiasco image with the flasher tool and then maybe tar.gz it up afterwards. *shrugs* | 16:38 |
| Hurrian | qwazix: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ | 16:38 |
| Hurrian | huh | 16:38 |
| Hurrian | wonder what those are | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: yep, most likely | 16:38 |
| qwazix | Hurrian, million thanks | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: that looks excellent | 16:39 |
| qwazix | I didn't know that was there, I just saw the fiasco image on the thread | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I have to pester robbiethe1st if he needs *anything*, and then send it to him in a package he can't refuse to receive | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if HiFo and council is worth anything, then that. Make sure brilliant guys like Pali, Robbiethe1st, freemangordon don't miss any hw or stuff they need to carry on | 16:43 |
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| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, yep | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/96530fe200 | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/BMbackups/Robbiethe1st_complete_image/ | 16:53 |
| qwazix | wtf, my N900 downloads at 80kb/s | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeew | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: rather download via PC to uSD | 16:55 |
| qwazix | Yeah, it crossed my mind, but I saw the small overall size and I was too lazy to swap the μSD | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | small overall size? only 155MB | 16:56 |
| qwazix | yeah, what's 155mb? I usually download that in a couple of minutes | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should still DL fine, via wlan and proper internet connectivity | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try my alternative as of above | 16:57 |
| qwazix | pc downloads at 600+ using the same WLAN | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, stack error. Somebody asked sth | 16:58 |
| qwazix | weird | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems that got answered already | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen robbiethe1st | 17:00 |
| infobot | robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-37-148-53.mscw.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 11h 33m 12s ago, saying: '... of course, this is the wrong window, but meh'. | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys BM | 17:03 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'BM' by key (20 of 174): bme ;; bmrt ;; country .bm ;; dbmaker ;; dubmed ;; garbmail ;; gdbm ;; ibm ;; ibm visualization data explorer ;; icbm ;; jargon ibm discount ;; netpbm (formerly pbmplus) ;; obm ;; pbm2 ;; pbm2ppa ;; pebmac ;; set xbmodder ;; typhoon rdbms ;; weathercode enbm ;; weathercode fabm. | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo BM | 17:03 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '#maemo BM' by key (3): #maemo bme-replacement #DEL# ;; #maemo bmo ;; #maemo bme-replacement. | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal bm | 17:04 |
| infobot | "bm" is "<reply>see backupmenu" | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o...K | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys backupmenu | 17:04 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'backupmenu' by key (2): backupmenu #DEL# ;; backupmenu. | 17:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo bm-images is http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/BMbackups/Robbiethe1st_complete_image/ FIASCO+BM: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img | 17:08 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 17:08 |
| zammy | hey qwazix | 17:08 |
| zammy | that has not helped | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm-images | 17:08 |
| infobot | [bm-images] http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/BMbackups/Robbiethe1st_complete_image/ FIASCO+BM: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img | 17:08 |
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| zammy | I mean I tried to install the deb | 17:09 |
| zammy | but they were not compatible | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pastebin diagnostic output | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pastebin | 17:09 |
| infobot | A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://www.pastebin.com, http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. | 17:09 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; yep :) | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep wut | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, stack overflow | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather, heap cleaned | 17:14 |
| ShadowJK | @ nokia rubber boots box | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | context lost | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :) | 17:15 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders when he had his last pair of rubber boots | 17:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be about time to get some | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think that's ~40 years since I last had rubber boots | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/nokiabox.jpg | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AWESOME | 17:18 |
| * ShadowJK gets back to mowing the lawn, in non-nokia boots | 17:18 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no nokia boots on fleabay | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>More items related to "rubber boots nokia"<< Rubber Coated Cover Black For Nokia XpressMusic 5610... | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Robbiethe1st urgently needs update | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LOLBWAHAHAHA | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~/bin> file fiasco-gen | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fiasco-gen: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, not stripped | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# fiasco- | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fiasco-do-update fiasco-flasher fiasco-image-update | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | scp fiasco-gen Iron900:/ | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *SIGH* | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ** PROBLEM Service Alert: talk.maemo.org/HTTP is CRITICAL ** | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st_: ANYTHING PENDING? that I should know of? | 18:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks | 18:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | root@talk:/var/log# du -h . | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 6.1G ./apache2 | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | root@talk:/var/log# df -h . | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/xvda 15G 15G 0 100% / | 18:10 |
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| kerio | 6gb of logs? :o | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no more | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rm *.log.[12][0-9].gz | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | root@talk:/var/log/apache2# df -h . | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/xvda 15G 13G 1.9G 87% / | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 1637190584 Jul 20 15:14 access.log | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 1713973601 Jul 14 06:27 access.log.1 | 18:15 |
| ecc2g | yow | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 18:15 |
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| ecc2g | at least logrotate is working | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly time to give tmo a reboot | 18:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | logrotate LOL ;-P | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no other clue how to recover tmo VM from recent glitch, other than to reboot it | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ... | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems everything back to normal? | 18:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you seem to encounter abnormal tmo behavior (VM, *not* lusers! ;-P), please holler | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ** RECOVERY Service Alert: talk.maemo.org/HTTP is OK ** | 18:23 |
| DrCode | hi all | 18:23 |
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| DrCode | I got no space left in rootfs and apt-get, any idea? | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got no space left on apt-get? | 18:24 |
| DrCode | yes | 18:24 |
| DrCode | also in app manager | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, this makes no sense. Maybe you meant "apt-get complains about 'no space left on rootfs'" | 18:25 |
| DrCode | yes | 18:25 |
| DrCode | thats right | 18:25 |
| DrCode | I can't install | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you filled rootfs with cruft | 18:25 |
| DrCode | when I run df -h , I see rootfs 0 space | 18:26 |
| DrCode | left | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry no way on earth to tell you which particular cruft that might've been | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe sth you installed and rather shouldn't have done that | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you copied files to there | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or syslog filled up your rootfs | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a zillion possibilities, each single one caused by user, not by system | 18:27 |
| DrCode | how can I get to roofs? I want to run du -h | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xterm, root, du -h | 18:27 |
| Lava_Croft | 300 updates and counting | 18:28 |
| Lava_Croft | go windows! | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually you don't even need root | 18:28 |
| DrCode | but I see that rootfs is only 270mb | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 18:28 |
| DrCode | can I move it or expaend iT? | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's as much as you possibly might get | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 18:29 |
| Lava_Croft | how do people even manage to fill it up :< | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a zillion possibilities, each single one caused by user, not by system | 18:29 |
| DrCode | where can I find what take space in rootfs? | 18:29 |
| DrCode | is it releated to apt-get? | 18:29 |
| Lava_Croft | im pretty much at the bottom of responsible computer people, but that hasnt happened yet | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | du -h / | 18:30 |
| Lava_Croft | i did break partition tables on desktop PC last night and lost everything not backed up | 18:30 |
| Lava_Croft | so \o/ | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DrCode: and no, most likely not related to apt-get | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you used apt-get to install some package that's not meant to get installed on N900 | 18:31 |
| Lava_Croft | DrCode: you havent had that n900 for long right, and flashed it very recently | 18:31 |
| Lava_Croft | so the timespan in which you could have screwed up isnt that large | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, time for another reflash | 18:32 |
| Lava_Croft | and backupmenu right away afterwards | 18:32 |
| Lava_Croft | and keep making backups:P | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and stay away from root | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and apt-get | 18:32 |
| Lava_Croft | DrCode: if you are only a little bit like me, expect to reflash more often :P | 18:32 |
| Lava_Croft | dont go poking about if you dont really know what you are doing | 18:33 |
| Lava_Croft | n900 is like windows, most of the time the answer is ´format it!´ | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | user "user"'s $home is on 2GB eMMC. Nobody but root *can* write to / aka rootfs humble 240MB raw | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so unless you did wget http://some-huge-crap as root, in root's $HOME, I dunno how you could've messed it up | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus: stay away from root and sudo gainroot | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | best: unistall rootsh | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (and YES, uninstall all crap apps that claim to need it, too) | 18:37 |
| NIN101 | you can simply fill it up by installing too much applications. | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless those were apps that never may have gone to extras repo | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no tested and rightfully promoted app may use up >50kB of / | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 100 | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so even worst case you had to install several 100s of apps to fill up rootfs | 18:40 |
| NIN101 | well, I have had a different experience. Maybe those were some extras-devel applications, non optificated, dunno. | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | If anybody gets to know about any app in maemo-extras that eats more than 100kB of rootfs space, please let me know. Such app need urgent fix (optification) | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: you can't find any tested&promoted app in extras-devel, per definitionem | 18:44 |
| NIN101 | yeah. | 18:44 |
| NIN101 | DrCode didn't say whether he has extras-devels enabled or not. | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he didn't say much about what he did anyway | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as per general advice, you MUST NOT have extras-devel enabled on a per-default basis | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 | 18:47 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~rfc 2119 | 18:47 |
| infobot | well, rfc 2119 is Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels. S. Bradner. March 1997. (Format: TXT=4723 bytes) (Also BCP0014) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE) | 18:47 |
| NIN101 | I don't care about this advice. and 90% of maemo users neither, | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your fault | 18:49 |
| NIN101 | I know. I didn't complain. | 18:49 |
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| Lava_Croft | if maemo was healthy, extras-devel would probably indeed by bad to have enabled by default | 18:50 |
| Lava_Croft | but most broken apps on extras-devel have been spotted by now:P | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 18:51 |
| Lava_Croft | its probably smart to wear your seatbelt, even when driving to the local supermarket ;) | 18:51 |
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| Lava_Croft | so what as in if maeo was actually healthy and saw a lot of new applications incoming, extras-devel would be different | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you suggest new users search the interwebs to find out which are those spotted apps? | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | NB there's not even a general means to remove any app from extras-devel | 18:53 |
| Lava_Croft | i suggest nothing | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever gets uploaded to there will likely stay until maemo goes down | 18:53 |
| Lava_Croft | in theory you are very right | 18:54 |
| Lava_Croft | in practice it just doesnt really matter | 18:54 |
| Lava_Croft | until theory catches up;) | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, Lava_Croft, I don't get the point of your statement >><Lava_Croft> but most broken apps on extras-devel have been spotted by now:P << | 18:54 |
| DrCode | I don't know | 18:54 |
| DrCode | how do I check it? | 18:54 |
| qwazix | meh, reboot loop! | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mmmph | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shit | 18:55 |
| Lava_Croft | >_< | 18:55 |
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| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: after a while, you have probably installed a few broken things from extras-devel, thats what i meant | 18:55 |
| Lava_Croft | life is tough around extremists | 18:56 |
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| DrCode | is there youtube player? | 18:57 |
| Lava_Croft | tried searching for youtube or tube or you in the app manager | 18:58 |
| Lava_Croft | can search for 'cute' too! ;) | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~packages | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 18:58 |
| infobot | well, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 18:58 |
| DrCode | I did | 19:00 |
| DrCode | but it still dosnt play video | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | last time I checked I had no issues playing lowres youtube videos in microB | 19:02 |
| DrCode | I tryied cute | 19:03 |
| DrCode | cute | 19:03 |
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| DrCode | do I need to install flash or somthing? | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flash is installed | 19:03 |
| DrCode | strange , it dosn't play well | 19:05 |
| DrCode | I am thinking to refleash it and install it again | 19:05 |
| Lava_Croft | cutetube works fine here | 19:06 |
| DrCode | what firmware to install? | 19:06 |
| DrCode | lava:last time U told me some appliction that sync gmail contacts and calander? | 19:07 |
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| DrCode | somethinng call eminim? | 19:07 |
| DrCode | don't remmber the exct name | 19:07 |
| Lava_Croft | no, i told about an app to sync calendar, called erminig or erminig-ng :) | 19:07 |
| Lava_Croft | google calendar, not contacts etc | 19:07 |
| DrCode | yes | 19:07 |
| DrCode | erming | 19:08 |
| DrCode | sorry | 19:08 |
| DrCode | and contacts I can sync via mfe | 19:08 |
| Lava_Croft | i guess, never tried | 19:08 |
| DrCode | exchange sync | 19:08 |
| DrCode | ok | 19:09 |
| DrCode | what firmware is recommanded? | 19:09 |
| DrCode | global or middle east? | 19:09 |
| DrCode | also is it recommanded to use cssu? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIOBSUSAikY | 19:09 |
| qwazix | global, and yes, the stable version | 19:10 |
| DrCode | ok | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just works (with some stuttering in video but OK audio) | 19:10 |
| DrCode | cssu stable? | 19:10 |
| qwazix | (though if you use gmail you will need http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90399 until it gets into cssu stable) | 19:10 |
| qwazix | yes | 19:11 |
| DrCode | ok | 19:11 |
| DrCode | ok | 19:11 |
| DrCode | thanku | 19:11 |
| qwazix | yw | 19:11 |
| DrCode | I will reflash | 19:11 |
| DrCode | thankyou | 19:12 |
| DrCode | dose the global have hebrew or arabic version? | 19:12 |
| DrCode | in my n900 I couldn't find hebrew | 19:12 |
| qwazix | not sure about that | 19:13 |
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| qwazix | I use ukeyboard which adds a couple of input languages | 19:13 |
| qwazix | going out, cya later | 19:13 |
| DrCode | ok | 19:14 |
| DrCode | thankyou qwazix | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | DrCode: about hebrew support you need to wait a bit til the guys who *should* know will answer | 19:26 |
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| Sicelo | qwazix: gmail fix reached CSSU-S long ago :) | 19:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it did? | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought that's been quite recent fix | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even to CSSU-T | 19:54 |
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| Sicelo | well, i did apt-get update one day, and the fix immediately prompted to install | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.2 (14.06.2013) Fixed gmail FETCH reply containing more that one open/close bracket pairs | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.1 (18.06.2013) tinymail fixing gmail FETCH problem | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, looong ago as in ... 5 weeks ;-) | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah you're right | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (looking up changelogs helps a lot ;-D) | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable | 19:58 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how that fix made it from T to S in just 4 days :-o | 20:01 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | damn that HAS to be a small and safe fix | 20:01 |
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| chem|st_ | DocScrutinizer05: as I said the server needs some love! | 20:51 |
| chem|st_ | :) | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: yep | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and twi http-access.log, one 1.5 and one 1.7GB in size is a particular PITA in itself | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | two* | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/d3d1533a2f | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | could anybody tell me sth about this html snippet, and why it doesn't display tmo-based karma (or if it's even meant to display tmo/any karma at all) | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the whole black magic is about net_nehmer_account_karma_dba::new_query_builder() and $karmas = $qb->execute() | 21:03 |
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| qwazix | Sicelo, ack. I thought that post was updated. | 21:14 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, I don't know how safe it is, but I know that it was so important it had to go to S pretty fast. Made devices unusable for those of us that use gmail. | 21:16 |
| Sicelo | the code looks completely safe | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: sure, but that's not yet sufficient criteria to cut corners on quarantine | 21:17 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, I think that it is, but that's opinion, and I'm not CSSU so it doesn't matter too much | 21:19 |
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| qwazix | on another topic, is there any way to access the device besides fixing the usb or using jtag? | 21:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sure | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | J5300/1 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | J2000 pin 3 :: USB VBUS 5V | 21:30 |
| qwazix | thanks | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest getting one of those rubber blocks with embedded parallel conductive rubber fibers, commonly found to connect LCD to LCDcontroller PCB | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cut off a piece log enough and high enough to exactly fit into the aperture around J5000/1. Then pierce the tin-coated wire ends of D+ and D- of your USB cable into the according conductive fibers in that rubber block, place it into the aperture and fixate it inserting the battery | 21:37 |
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| Pali | @all cssu testers: big pulseaudio testing is needed: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1360475#post1360475 | 21:40 |
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| win7mac | Good evening all! | 21:58 |
| Sicelo | epub readers on N900 are almost all slow :-/ | 22:03 |
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| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, I fixed it! I resoldered the usb, flashed, and I'm in maemo now. | 23:12 |
| qwazix | I cut the extra metal from the usb port like you said. Thanks, you rock! | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: \o/ | 23:13 |
| win7mac | N900Scrutinizer05 ;) | 23:15 |
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| FIQ|n900 | hi | 23:53 |
| FIQ|n900 | xchat went a little sad on startup blaming permissions in the logfiles | 23:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | I took a look and after a while, found out a few files with the following data shown on ls -l: | 23:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | -????????? ? ? ? ? ? LaZ-.log | 23:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | what does this mean? | 23:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | it seems unable to find any data on the file at all | 23:55 |
| FIQ|n900 | corrupt data? something else? | 23:55 |
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| FIQ|n900 | and if it's the former - how should I go and solve it? | 23:55 |
| ecc2g | yeah usually that means the filesystem is corrupt, possibly due to flash failure... | 23:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | flash failure eh | 23:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | if it's hw fault, I guess there's no way to remedy it? | 23:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | ecc2g: is there another remedy apart from "reinstall everything from scratch"? :p | 23:58 |
| FIQ|n900 | because I would rather avoid that | 23:59 |
| FIQ|n900 | seems like 4 files are affected, in .xchatlogs | 23:59 |
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