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shawnjefferson22what's the best way to set ownership to user:users on a file in my deb package?  postinst script?07:18
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Macerpondering what the difference is in this (thumb) update heh08:29
* Macer punches his n90008:29
Maceri wonder if this sociality update works08:30
freemangordonMacer: hmm? I remember I wrote a changelog :P08:30
Maceri know the one i tried from the last time off the repo wouldnt read the news feed08:30
Maceroh.. where is it?08:30
Macersorry... didnt see it08:30
Macerno better thumb keyboard heh08:31
freemangordonMacer: at least in 2 places - TMO and debian/changelog. You'll see the latter in description tab once you start the update08:31
Maceroh. i already updated it08:32
Macerlet me see if i can find it on tmo08:32
Macertoo bad thetr is no seype08:33
Macerwow that vkb sucks heh08:33
Macerbut hitting enter in xterm closes and sends now08:33
Macerthat's kind of neet08:34
freemangordonMacer: 13.07.2013 - 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.2+thumb108:34
freemangordon* packages updated to latest CSSU-testing(21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.2)08:34
freemangordon* thumb-compile tracker, hildon, hildon-thumbnailer08:34
Maceri see08:35
Maceris there a better vkb somewhere?08:35
freemangordonMacer: better than?08:36
Macerone that doesnt have the dialog box and blurs out the app? ie: real time typing08:36
Macerthe stock one is awful08:36
freemangordonhmm, afaik no08:36
Macerespecially in portrait08:36
Macerah ok08:36
Macerwish maemo had swype so it wasnt always me opening the kb and wearing out the keys08:37
Maceror at least a better vkb08:37
Macerusing the stock one in xterm brings it up, blurs the term, (i guess you can turn that off) then closes08:37
Macerinstead of simply being able to type on it08:38
Maceri was thinking of putting in a feature request for mobilehotspot to support pan08:38
Macerheh. that would be awesome. i never did figure out how to get it working :-/08:39
Macerseems overly complicated compared to just turning it on in android08:39
Macerah well... let me update all the pkgs heh08:41
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Macernews feed still seems broken in repo sociality09:00
Macerbut half works in tmo .deb09:00
freemangordonMacer: IIRC you have to use the .deb on sociality thread on TMO09:00
freemangordonyeah :)09:00
Macerhow odd09:01
Maceryou would think the opposite heh09:01
Macersure hope it gets updated09:01
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Macerleave it to the linux bcm driver to not support adhoc heh09:13
Maceri can't connect to an adhoc hotspot on my dell laptop running mint09:13
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Macerback to using dun i suppose :)09:15
Macertoo bad android doesn't support dun :-/09:15
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Lava_CroftMS lost almost a bilion american dollaz on Surace RT this *quarter*12:46
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teotwakiLava_Croft: link?13:08
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Lava_Croftmind you, MS taking a huge loss over HW isnt exactly special13:22
Lava_Croftthey did it for the Xbox too, but at least the Xbox was a good product13:22
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Lava_CroftSurfaceRT will not get anywhere13:23
Lava_Croftmy brother has been a windows phone lover from the start, but even he gave up13:23
Lava_Crofthe also owns SurfaceRT, worst product ever13:23
Lava_Croftnexus7 is a deception, but goddamn surfaceRT13:23
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SpeedEvilA writedown isn't quite a loss.13:34
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SpeedEvilIf you have inventory set to sell at 500, which cost you 350 to make, writing it down to 400 is a paper $100 loss - but you still profit by $50 if you sell it13:35
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Lava_CroftDoes anyone know what the 'standard' procedure is for getting ovi maps on the n900, in 2013:P13:59
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amin007110Lava_Croft, in 2012 i got them through Nokia Suite in M$! Haven't tried recently :D14:21
Lava_Croftthat doesnt work anymore:<14:22
Lava_Croftthats how i used to do it too14:22
Lava_Croftmarble works ok tho, but its just that i kind of got attached to using that shit nokia mapping app :)14:22
amin007110Is porting from another nokia devices possible? Such as symbian ones!14:23
Lava_Croftno clue14:23
Lava_Croftn9 has a fairly decent app too14:23
Lava_Croftthere i just had it update the maps:)14:23
amin007110I think data files and folders are the same in various nokia products.14:24
amin007110I guess actually.14:25
DocScrutinizer05and I *think* ovimaps works still as usual for me14:25
amin007110Also updating? DocScrutinizer05 !14:26
Lava_Croftor installing maps to begin with14:26
DocScrutinizer05I'm searching and finding and displaying $random location. So everything usual14:27
DocScrutinizer05as usual14:27
Lava_Croftyes, that still works14:27
Lava_Crofti wasnt saying the application stopped functioning:)14:28
DocScrutinizer05you're aware that searching is online function, and $random-location above implied I had no cached data for it14:29
Lava_Croftand you want to download the Germany maps that way?14:29
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DocScrutinizer05why would I want to do that?14:30
amin007110offline use14:30
DocScrutinizer05since offline use gives away extremely expensive data (navtech map) without earning anything in turn, I guess Wokia has taken active measures to forbid it14:35
DocScrutinizer05downloading and caching of small areas still offers some info you pay with for that navteq map data14:36
DocScrutinizer05particularly that you're probably in this region, or at least looking at it14:36
DocScrutinizer05giving away whole countries' map data for free via download is a net loss for Nokia14:37
Lava_Croftyou can still get the entire countries via direct links14:37
DocScrutinizer05a few years afo a CD with that data was ~150EUR14:37
amin007110well, sometimes we have no access to a reliable data plan or speed is down or something.14:38
amin007110From the Nokia Side, yes. but from our side :D14:39
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DocScrutinizer05((<amin007110> Also updating? DocScrutinizer05 !)) I literally never touched nokiasuite. So NFC. Inside ovimaps app I don't see any explicit download/update function14:50
DocScrutinizer05I *think* Nokia discontinued Nokiasuite14:51
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DocScrutinizer05I dunno how smart ovimaps-fremantle acts. If it's smarter than I think it is, then it downloads all tiles needed for a route you calculated online anyway15:07
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DocScrutinizer05and sure, I guess it's been inevitable that Nokia implements some leecher-filters to stop arbitrary non-Nokia-customers to download whole navteq database for free15:08
DocScrutinizer05so whatever they did (throttling, obfuscating, check for client/browser-ID), you should expect to see some problems trying to download whole continents' map-data15:10
DocScrutinizer05SPI can go a long way to take care about that, server side15:11
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Lava_Croftill try poking at the latest map data16:58
Lava_Croftsee if direct downloading and installing them by hand still works for the maemo5 maps app16:58
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fw190any news from the new Board?18:38
win7macgood morning;)18:38
fw190I mean is there something an ex candidate could help with18:38
win7macthanks for the offer. Here's the meeting minutes from 1st new board-(handover-)meeting:
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win7macOFC you can always come up with ideas and suggestions, not sure what to help with right now though18:44
fw190a state when help is not needed is good as it means everything runs smooth18:45
fw190which means you all nedd a raise ;)18:45
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GeneralAntillesWhat a moron.19:45
thedead1440typical BB/iOS/WP reps...19:46
GeneralAntillesIf anybody else wants to (politely) chime in.19:47
win7machey thedead1440, how's your N9? - there's no progress on tweak flash version so far :(19:48
thedead1440win7mac: no progress on my n9 too :(19:49
infobotthedead1440 meant: win7mac: no progress on my n9s too :(19:49
ecc3g<- no twitter account, else Clewley has no clew...19:51
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thedead1440no wonder bb10 is sinking with product managers like him...19:58
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GeneralAntillesecc3g, I've gotten useful help and responses out of him before, so nobody needs to tear him a new one.20:00
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ecc3gah okay.  I still can't believe he thinks plaintext mails have no use...20:02
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* ecc3g checks modest... "New message format: Plain text" ahhh...20:04
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GeneralAntillesThere's a Princess Bride quote that applies here.20:07
ecc3goh...kay... /facepalm20:08
ecc3gtechnically speaking, if he as talking about html/rtf mail being "proprietary"... still doesn't solve the problem at hand though.20:09
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Sicelomaybe someonr will find this very useful :)20:57
Siceloserial adapter for use on N90020:57
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Paliit is possible to flash phone via serial adapter?21:23
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Siceloi don't know Pali.. but I thought this adapter would be of great use to you especially, freemangordon too ;)21:28
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DocScrutinizer05alas fbus. would need minor mech rework for UART22:03
DocScrutinizer05Pali: basically yes22:05
Sicelolooks nice DocScrutinizer05. why you never shared before?22:05
DocScrutinizer05donno about NOLO22:05
* Sicelo kicks DocScrutinizer05 22:06
DocScrutinizer05I did22:06
DocScrutinizer05search tmo22:06
Sicelohmm, will look22:06
DocScrutinizer05eventually ovishare gone down and took those photos with it22:07
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DocScrutinizer05a severe flaw of our forum software22:07
DocScrutinizer05those embedded photos inevitably render a form/tmo post bitrotten to oblivion eventually22:08
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DocScrutinizer05I haven't completely figured yet how to attach photos instead of link them from other website22:09
DocScrutinizer05anyway that critter been so dirt cheap, I couldn't resist but had to order one22:10
DocScrutinizer054.95 iirc22:11
Sicelocritter? you mean the adapter?22:11
DocScrutinizer05ooh, I already mentioned it a few times, but here again: I got some 20+ bupbat coin 0.06F capacitors, to replace that PR414 or whatever backup battery22:13
DocScrutinizer05available for 3bucks per coin22:13
DocScrutinizer05(yes, the adapter)22:13
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infobotrumour has it, bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or, or
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DocScrutinizer05 "I got me three beers and a fistful of downs22:17
DocScrutinizer05and I'm gonna get ripped, so f***, you clowns!"22:17
DocScrutinizer05Then she gave us the finger, it was rigid and stiff22:18
DocScrutinizer05That's when the devil, he farted22:18
DocScrutinizer05and she went right over the cliff!22:18
DocScrutinizer05IOW, cya22:18
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ecc3gwoah... how long have I been sleeping, 1KF capacitors are available...22:23
ecc3gor are they really available...22:25
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DocScrutinizer05i'd bet on that22:49
DocScrutinizer05I even think I've seen them surplus22:49
DocScrutinizer05for <100 bucks a piece22:49
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