IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2013-07-18

Sicelowill try it on others00:01
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DocScrutinizer05I think it's some weird semi-standard00:01
DocScrutinizer05as on some level of input stack F1 is sth like ESC~100:01
DocScrutinizer05but timing is relevant00:01
DocScrutinizer05X11 then translates this to "F11"00:02
DocScrutinizer05so it probably depends on the input mode the program uses00:03
DocScrutinizer05disclaimer: all of the last few lines is wild guessing00:03
Siceloi did remap my keyboard for the Function keys though00:04
DocScrutinizer05for sure the better way00:04
DocScrutinizer05I honestly never really realized since most of the time I access N900 via ssh and proper 114key kbd on PC00:05
DocScrutinizer05usefulness of htop on N900 screen is limited anyway00:05
Siceloyeah. well for me it's the other way round.. i access almost everything on N90000:06
Sicelolimited? well, i find it very useful00:06
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, it's too cluttered00:07
DocScrutinizer05for particular tasks like killing a process you first want to spot which one, it's sure great00:07
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DocScrutinizer05doing proper key-remapping is on my todo list nevertheless (since years)00:09
Sicelovi created a really nice one. i just edited a few parts of it00:10
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, and I have to admit I probably dunno where to find it00:16
Sicelowiki .. i can lookup the url .00:16
DocScrutinizer05~seen vi_00:17
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Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: any idea what voltage(s) the OpenMoko debug board JTAG will work at? or if it's still available to buy anywhere?00:18
DocScrutinizer05check goldelico and pulster. Voltage should be pretty standard00:19
Luke-Jrthere is no standard AFAIK :|00:19
DocScrutinizer05however check schematics00:19
Luke-JrI don't comprehend schematics00:19
DocScrutinizer05so lemme have a look00:19
Sicelohi Luke-Jr00:20
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DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: TPS2149IDGN provides VCC3 which is voltage of all JTAG00:25
DocScrutinizer05via LDO_OUT.  sorry that's all I can tell00:25
Luke-JrDidn't you design it? XD00:26
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DocScrutinizer05theoreticall the FTDI chip might control voltage of LDO by PWRON1/2# outputs to TPS2149IDGN inputs #EN1/2, but I don't know if the LDO does any voltage switching this way. I actually doubt it00:27
DocScrutinizer05no, I didn't design it00:27
DocScrutinizer05find datasheet of TPS2149IDGN, see what it can do for LDO_OUT, particularly how's that related to #EN1/200:28
Luke-Jrlooks like just 3.3V00:31
Luke-Jrwhich is technically what I need in this case *ponders*00:31
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DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: so maybe actually de-facto standard?00:43
DocScrutinizer05however, beware! N900 UART testpins emit magic blue smoke on 3V3, they're 2V8 iirc00:44
DocScrutinizer05I would guess same applies for all OMAP direct IO, incl JTAG00:44
Luke-JrI'm not sure what that means? OMAP likes to do EMPs? :P00:45
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DocScrutinizer05when you don't know what it means, then stay away from OMAP devices with your JTAG or any other weird electric device00:50
Luke-JrJTAG is needed for software, not hardware00:52
Luke-JrI shoudln't have to know hardware to do software00:52
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DocScrutinizer05JTAG is clearly a hw thing01:24
DocScrutinizer05as hw as it gets01:24
DocScrutinizer05abusing it for sw debugging purposes is a dual use nobody thought of01:24
ecc3gactually it has...01:25
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: The mc hexadecimal editor functioned unexpectedly so I abandoned it and used bless.  I usually do not use mc so being unable to directly run the mc hexadecimal editor like I can for mcedit is inconvenient.  At least with bless, I can directly run it and specify the file to edit on the command line.01:25
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DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: fine01:26
ecc3gi've used a supposedly hardware debugger tool that goes through JTAG that can single step/breakpoint instructions on the target CPU on the system... I'd call that software debugging using JTAG :D01:26
DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: so what?01:27
ecc3gjust countering the fact that it has been done before, people have used this tool to debug OSes.01:27
brolin_empeyHowever, toggling between Insert mode and Overwrite mode in bless seems to require an Insert key, which the N900’s integrated keyboard seems to lack.01:27
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DocScrutinizer05yes, JTAG _usually_ allows you to directly access many of the CPU registers, read them and even write new content to them01:28
ecc3g(and firmware)01:28
DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: again, so what?01:28
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ecc3gYou said nobody thought of it.  This tool has been around for years.01:29
DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: how does that make the statement >><Luke-Jr> JTAG is needed for software, not hardware - I shoudln't have to know hardware to do software<< any more true?01:29
* DocScrutinizer05 headdesks and adds "thought of when defining/inventing JTAG"01:30
ecc3gactually this tool you don't need to know hardware, they made it so good that the hardware was abstracted away... but rarely it gets this good01:30
DocScrutinizer05JTAG clearly been invented for HARDWARE purposes01:30
ecc3gthat I don't disagree with01:30
Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: regardless, I need it for software.01:31
DocScrutinizer05nobody even though of using it as sw debugger when it got implemented01:31
Luke-Jrdoesn't matter01:32
DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: I'm bored diskussing this. I don't have to justify / defend JTAG to you01:32
Luke-Jrthat's what it's used for today. that's what I need it for.01:32
Luke-Jrit's impossible to do software without JTAG on chips today.01:32
Luke-Jrthus I need JTAG01:32
ecc3gYou can write your own software and design your own chips so that you can do that01:32
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Luke-JrI've already written software that can do JTAG via FT232R-based chip bitbanging, even. I just need hardware :/01:33
ecc3gthat software is easy, you need to know the jtag regs inside the chip you want to scan.  A lot of that is even nondocumented01:33
ecc3gboundary is documented granted01:34
DocScrutinizer05please take it to #texas-instruments, or whatever the chipset you are missing a think like USB to plug your unified debugger tool to01:34
ecc3gbut that doesnt get you anywhere with software debug01:34
DocScrutinizer05JTAG is *not* a debugger iterface, by design. take it or leave it01:35
ecc3geven worse, normally you select a chain that scans the boundary.  then there's the secret proprietary scan sequence that you can do to scan internal state - and that's what you need to do software debug - and this is very very chip specific01:35
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brolin_empeyAnyway, the reason I needed a hexadecimal editor on Maemo 5 was so that I could patch my asix.ko Loadable Kernel Module to recognise my D-Link DUB-E100 USB to Ethernet adapter hardware version C1 instead of only hardware version B1 and earlier.  After manually patching asix.ko , I have successfully internetworked Maemo 5 on my Nokia N900 handheld computer via an Ethernet Wired LAN. :D01:37
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ecc3gheh, was thinking about getting a wired lan adaptor for my n900 but wifi had to do... :o01:38
brolin_empeyWho currently maintains the power51 kernel?  I need the maintainer to update asix.c to add support for the current hardware version C1 of the D-Link DUB-E100 .01:41
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: now that's interesting01:41
DocScrutinizer05pretty please pester pali of freemangordon about it01:41
DocScrutinizer05I'd even suggest to add a kernel module cmdline parameter id=<chip_id>01:42
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: “s/of/or/” ?01:42
DocScrutinizer05so you could load the module via (modprobe) asix.ko id=C101:43
DocScrutinizer05yes, *or* freemangordon01:43
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ecc3gdo most people here have OTG cables or use a F-F adaptor on a regular cable? :o01:44
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: pali seems to currently be absent.  freemangordon: Are you around?01:44
DocScrutinizer05(parameter) ...since I done exactly what you did, for several modules on PC already, and each time I thought "WTF why isn't there a simple way to specify the valid ID for the module?"01:44
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DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: the latter01:45
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brolin_empeyecc3g: I have both;  I usually use a single USB OTG cable.01:45
ecc3gI have both as well, but leaning towards the F-F adaptor, once I find some more good A-B cables...01:46
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DocScrutinizer05OTG cables are usually micro-USB both ends, no?01:47
ecc3gthe OTG cable I have has a F type A fullsized USB on one end, and microusb on other...01:48
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DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: that's not a OTG cable01:49
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DocScrutinizer05UGH! >>In addition to the above cable assemblies comprising two plugs, an "adapter" cable with a Micro-A plug and a Standard-A receptacle is compliant with USB specifications.[29] <<01:50
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DocScrutinizer05not though cables with a micro-B-plug and standard-A-receptacle01:51
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ecc3gMicro-USB used as OTG is kind of messed up as it is, but seems a lot of phones use this screwed up combo01:51
ecc3gerr.. micro-USB-B used as a host01:52
brolin_empeyfreemangordon: Please see message #3 of this Russian topic:
DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: yes, micro-B is not allowed for USB-host01:53
DocScrutinizer05not even for OTG01:54
DocScrutinizer05an OTG device capable to go into host (A) mode needs a A receptacle01:55
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DocScrutinizer05the ID pin on micro-B receptacles is just for the plug's sake, which in turn needs the ID pin to allow detection of B plug in A receptacle01:56
DocScrutinizer05you as well could find micro-B-receptacles and plugs that don't have any conducting pin on ID position01:57
DocScrutinizer05micro-A plug has ID shorted to GND, micro-B must have it not-connected01:57
DocScrutinizer05thus a true OTG device with micro-A receptacle knows whether it has an A plug plugged and thus should go A/host mode, or a B plug and thus shall go B/device mode01:58
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: I wanted to photograph my Nokia N900 internetworked via a USB to Ethernet adapter but the dedicated digital still camera at ${WORK} is currently unusable;  I will have to use my dedicated digital still camera at ${HOME} or bring said camera to ${WORK} tomorrow.01:59
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DocScrutinizer05err,  id=2001:1a0202:04
DocScrutinizer05obviously NOT id=C102:05
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jk4hi there. i'm wondering if anyone has a copy of joikuspot for n900.02:08
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jk4I bought it a couple years ago, but can't find the download, my ovi credentials or my joiku credentials02:09
jk4so if someone had it around, i'd be pretty pleased. taking off on a trip tomorrow02:09
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DocScrutinizer05tried qthotspot?02:16
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: if you can read that forum native languge, please suggest lsusb to them02:18
DocScrutinizer05or in windows, I guess device manager details has the USB ID as well02:19
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definityIs their a way to veiw the n900 GPD coords in terminal?02:22
M4rtinKdefinity: GPS ?02:23
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DocScrutinizer05interesting question02:28
DocScrutinizer05prolly not (yet)02:28
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: You could reply in English because they can at least read and write English in addition to Russian.02:30
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DocScrutinizer05I'm not even passing the registration ;-)02:30
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: Why not?02:31
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jk4i'll be damned the joiku repo is still in the catalog02:31
DocScrutinizer05well, probably because I can't read it02:31
jk4must just not have any binaries02:31
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: At least PaulFertser is fluent in Russian but he is not in this channel.02:32
DocScrutinizer05jk4: I hardly heard of a single user using joghurt sport during last 2 years02:32
DocScrutinizer05jk4: there are several free *hotspot apps02:33
DocScrutinizer05paul better was fluent in Russian, he's a born Moskovic02:34
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jk4looking at the others too02:36
jk4have to install special kernel though02:36
DocScrutinizer05afaik joku does too02:36
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DocScrutinizer05I'd consider KP generally stable meanwhile02:37
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DocScrutinizer05unless you rely on / use special modern tweaks like bme-replacement or whatnot02:37
jk4don't think so02:38
jk4some openvpn config files02:38
jk4so i haz to install extras testing and extras-devel yeah02:38
DocScrutinizer05no way02:38
DocScrutinizer05you don't need extras-testing02:38
jk4just devel?02:38
jk4i'm looking at some instructions on the maemo wiki02:39
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: Have you tried using software to translate the registration page?  That is how I successfully registered for some Polish torrent Web site despite my very limited knowledge of the Polish language.02:39
DocScrutinizer05you may need extras-devel temporarily for installing KP and qthotspot02:39
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: I'm not exactly interested in registering with that forum02:39
DocScrutinizer05after all I wouldn't find a thing even when searching for it, unless somebody tells me which thread to translate and read02:40
jk4fremantle for n900 right?02:40
jk4n900 maemo is fremantle?02:41
DocScrutinizer05the catalog?02:41
DocScrutinizer05yes, N900 is fremantle02:41
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jk4the package in app manager is described as "linux kernel for power use (settings and overclock)"?02:45
jk4appears so02:46
Drathirmostly eng sites have better content than polish...02:46
Drathiroc is not prefered i think...02:48
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Drathirbrolin_empey: or ask someone who know polish language...02:51
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Drathirim dont know deutsch lang but eg. DocScrutinizer05 explain very well and clear to eng...02:54
jk4success seemingly02:54
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jk4hotspot didn't just yell at me this time02:54
jk4seems promising02:54
DocScrutinizer05nice bon mot: >>When a company or industry is facing changes to its business due to technology, it will argue against the need for change based on the moral importance of its work, rather than trying to understand the social underpinnings.<<02:56
Drathir~seen pali02:57
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 5h 9m 39s ago, saying: 'yes'.02:57
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DocScrutinizer05soooo... how do YOU sign/crypt your emails?02:58
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jk4qt hotspot or mobile hotspot?03:00
Drathiron maemo is avaible any option of pgp crypt? im thinking that only mutt can handle thatlll03:00
jk4oh on maemo i should have guessed :p03:00
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jk4no idea. i don't do serious email on it though i know there are some better clients than the default03:00
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Drathirmean pgp crypt of emails...03:01
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DocScrutinizer05another golden one:>>Never argue against logic with emotion, or against emotion using logic.<<03:01
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DocScrutinizer05I actually didn't focus maemo03:02
DocScrutinizer05enigmail seems to work, yes03:02
Drathirthat good one...03:03
DocScrutinizer05jk4: I think qthotspot is a tad newer. Dunno which works better03:03
brolin_empeyDrathir: The Polish torrent Web site is .  IIRC, I registered because they offered something I could not find anywhere else:  IIRC, a studio album from the musical group/band named Moulin Rouge.03:04
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Drathirboyes right that site is exbeption sometimes hav goot content, but not sure now magnets avaible w/o register...btw moulin rouge is great musical...03:12
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Drathirbrolin_empey: * exception , have , good03:15
jk4don't remember installing a special kernel for joiku but i must have03:15
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jk4know if qt mobile hotspot's usb deal works with linux?03:16
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Drathirjk4: confirm working with arch, but must see which one mobile or qt...03:21
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Drathirthat was mobile hotspot03:23
jk4thanks! will check it out03:28
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psycho_oreosjoikuspot looks just rather polished. Nothing all that special otherwise considering there's QtMobilehotspot which also does the job (albeit less nice looking).03:53
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Drathir:/   mutt: Depends: slang1a-utf8 (> 1.4.9dbs-4) but it is not installable04:23
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DocScrutinizer05jk4: allegedly bot qt* and mobile do the USB thing04:38
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psycho_oreosI found a site that has joikuspot left out for world to see (lol). Not my site though.04:42
psycho_oreosSeems like there is that amongst a few other freebies.04:43
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jk4god 2.5g is slow :p05:04
jk4at&t on n90005:05
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jk4from my basement, 7.1KB according to FF05:07
DocScrutinizer05well, with poor signal even UMTS+ is slow05:08
DocScrutinizer05"from my basement" is intentional here, eh?05:09
jk4that's where i am05:09
jk4signal sucks in this bit of valley we live in05:09
DocScrutinizer05try it from your attic ;-)05:10
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DocScrutinizer05nasement in a vales. I bet on sucking signal there05:10
DocScrutinizer05basement even05:10
DocScrutinizer05and valey, dang05:11
DocScrutinizer05a passive antenna extension might help05:13
DocScrutinizer05one aerial inside your basement room, wire (coax), good directional antenna with high gain focused towards nearest base station05:14
DocScrutinizer05network monitor app might shed some light on your signal level problems05:18
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jk4how would i attach a high gain antenna to a n900?05:23
DocScrutinizer05not at all, basically05:23
DocScrutinizer05but you can have a passive "repeater"05:24
DocScrutinizer05with one antenna near the N900 and another high gain antenna connected to the first one, which is high gain on top of the roof and boosts the signal05:25
DocScrutinizer05such setup is said to work sometimes, with really high gain antenna and good indoor antenna preferably pretty close to the device05:26
jk4lot of investment for little gain (no pun intended)05:27
DocScrutinizer05of course you *could* attach some sort of yagi elements to the N900 itself ;-)05:27
DocScrutinizer05but first of all I'd check signal situation on 3G. Carriers tend to even take down 2.nG BTS in favour of better 3G coverage - though I dunno why they have to take down 2G for that05:29
DocScrutinizer05fact is that 2G tends to get worse while same time 3G improves, over the years05:30
jk4no 3g for me.05:30
jk4wrong frequencies05:30
jk4folly of n90005:30
jk4at least on at&t05:30
jk4no tmo support here05:30
DocScrutinizer05aah USA, cellphone third world05:31
jk43rd world05:31
jk4full stop05:31
DocScrutinizer05your free market managed it excellently ;-)05:32
DocScrutinizer05"WUT? Regulations??? no friggin way!"05:32
jk4the problems are well documented05:33
DocScrutinizer05now that makes everybody happy for sure05:33
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DocScrutinizer05Germany: 4 networks. USA: 400 networks05:35
DocScrutinizer05if not more05:35
DrCodehi all05:35
DrCodeI have large inbox in gmail05:36
DocScrutinizer05and basically only 1.5 nationwide ones05:36
DrCodecan I use imap with gmail?05:36
DrCodeI am also looking for appliction for my google+05:36
DrCodemy gmail inbox is very large , 20,000 messages, I prefer to use imap05:37
DrCodeany idea?05:37
DocScrutinizer05don't you know Google will discontinue all their services in October this year?05:37
DocScrutinizer05just kidding05:38
DrCodewow, I didn't know05:38
DocScrutinizer05it's just beyond me how everybody runs for evil Google crap05:39
DrCodewow, I was series05:39
DrCodeI love there mail05:39
DrCodeits large inbox and free05:39
DocScrutinizer05well gmail is awesome, they spellcheck everything for you ;-P05:39
DocScrutinizer05and they even adjust their banner adds according to what you send and receive per email05:40
DocScrutinizer05nice feature, no?05:40
DrCodeok ,  I found somthing in wiki05:41
DrCodeI need to use dpkg -i mutt_1.5.20-2_armel.deb05:41
DocScrutinizer05well, if you love mutt05:42
DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-18 03:23:08] <Drathir> :/   mutt: Depends: slang1a-utf8 (> 1.4.9dbs-4) but it is not installable05:42
DocScrutinizer05though I dunno why mutt would be needed for imap. Either google works with imap and then it should work with modest as well, no need for mutt. Or google doesn't allow imap then I dunno how mutt would help. I heard there's a bug in modest regarding Google but that's fixed in lastest CSSU05:44
DrCodeI see05:45
DrCodeso what is better to use?05:45
DrCodewow, I must go to work, I will be later05:45
DocScrutinizer05for google imap?05:45
infoboti heard cssu is
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DocScrutinizer05the story about the poor individual that suddenly fels like sandra bullock in that film where they eradicated her entire identity, bank account and all05:49
DocScrutinizer05and only a good friend *inside google* was the single person that could help, otherwise all data would've been gone for good05:50
DocScrutinizer05the link to that page was in this channel several months ago05:51
DocScrutinizer05I missed to bookmark it05:51
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Drathirclawsmail looks like too dont work...05:56
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Drathirgoogle works with imap i think...05:57
Drathirgoogle works with imap i think. and idk why mutt need slangla-utf8 ...05:59
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Drathirbuildin works great with gmail and imap, but search something more powerfull one....06:01
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: sadly only one way is have own server with email client on encrypted connection :/06:13
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DocScrutinizer05or forget about idiotic imap and use proper pop3 which is made to *transport* mail, not act as a weird mutated webmailer06:17
DocScrutinizer05imap is like having a phonecall to my secretary in the office, asking her to read out loud my mails for me06:18
DocScrutinizer05I mean how naive can you be to trust a company in storing your maximum important and private data for you, for free?06:21
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Drathiris no difference between pop3 or imap in booth case  emaills go throught google servers, but imap is more faster and easy to use, idk how can back to pop3 again... only one option to secure is pgp mails, but ppl sadly dont use this often...06:29
DocScrutinizer05every company has a business model. The more obvious the model, the better for you as their client. Paying for service is the most straight business concept. Google tells you they do sth for free for you, but actually you pay with your data and all sorts of other info they gather about you, so they can make money out of your attention. Attention is a valuable good in internet. But then, when they don't like you anymore, or when anything06:33
DocScrutinizer05unforeseen happens, they don't really care much about you as their customer, and since their service is for free, it's also free of any kind of warranty06:33
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DocScrutinizer05oops we locked your account, oops we deleted *all* your data. Too bad, but you're free to create a new account, even for free. of course not with your old mail addr, and of course we can't recover your files in google docs, or your photos or whatever else you used to store at our servers06:36
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DocScrutinizer05there's several freemailers. AFAIK only google explicitly reserves the right to *read* every of your mails and to use it for their own purposes, whatever those are06:42
DocScrutinizer05when NSA does that, you all are upset. Google you're not worried? You believe in "do no evil" nonsense google spreads about their own policy?06:46
Drathirthats why better have own server with backups...06:47
Drathiranyway and if this is possible situated near own bed hrhr06:49
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: google could sacrifice my firstborn to satan and i'd be ok with it06:49
keriogmail is just so good06:50
Drathiri dont know any better solution to gmail...06:51
Drathirwith milions of accounts noone will read person mails and from BB way betterloosing data than someone take it...BB=BlackBerry and connected with device lock x bad try to unlock and device data go wiped...06:56
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I dunno how people survived before gmal got invented06:56
DocScrutinizer05with millions of webpages nobody will index all of them06:57
Drathirs hush mail, but that isnt permanent and if not mail sending account go to delate after xx days if good remember...06:58
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: waybackmashine...06:58
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Drathirfor mails pgp/gpg s solution to secure them...06:59
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psycho_oreosjk4, ping07:02
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jk4psycho_oreos: hi07:17
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psycho_oreosjk4, found a copy of that joikuspot package (1.2.2)07:30
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hotmail07:40
kerioor another free mail service07:40
kerioor something from your ISP07:40
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jk4psycho_oreos: cool08:04
jk4link? email?08:05
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DrCodehi all09:09
DrCodeMail For Exchange dosn't support multi account ?09:09
DrCodeis there solution ?09:10
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Lava_Croftdont use mfe is a solution to all problems09:14
DrCodehi Lava_Croft09:14
DrCodewhat I can use ?09:14
DrCodeI want to sync clender , mail and so09:14
Lava_Crofti sync via gcal using erminig09:15
Lava_Croftfor mail, idk09:15
Lava_Croftmfe doesnt always work very well, but if it does, hooray :)09:15
DrCodeI see09:16
DrCodewhat is idk and erminig? how I can install them?09:16
Lava_Croftstuff like syncing to other services etc is a bit iffy on N90009:16
Lava_Croftidk is i dont know09:16
Lava_Crofterminig is in the repos09:16
DrCodeI read someone install IMAP server(dovcot)09:17
DrCodemybe it has support for multi account09:17
Lava_Croftpeople do all kinds of things to the poor N900 !09:17
DrCodeU are using gmail in maemo?09:17
Lava_Croftgmail in maemo email client, yes09:17
Lava_Croftit works kind of ok09:18
DrCodewith mfe?09:18
DrCodeor there is gmail client?09:18
Lava_Croftgmail works out of the box with modest, the maemo5 email client09:18
DrCodeI mean u configure modeset via MFE?09:19
Lava_Croftconfigure gmail in modest, no mfe required09:19
DrCodewow, I see09:20
DrCodeit come with maemo or I need to install it?09:20
Lava_Croftmfe is really only needed for microsoft email or maybe syncing to gal09:20
Lava_Croftits the email app09:20
DrCodedose it support multi account , like gmail and exchange?09:20
Lava_Croftclick the @ icon09:20
Lava_Croftexchange wants mfe, iirc09:20
Lava_Crofti dont use it09:20
DrCodeI see09:20
DrCodeso I can use mfe for exchange and modset for gmail ?09:21
Lava_Crofti guess:)09:21
DrCodethankyou, now its more clear09:21
Lava_Crofthalf of your N900's goodness comes from trying :)09:21
DrCodeI have some java appliction that I would like to run09:22
DrCodedose it have jre?09:22
Lava_Croftit has some implementation of java related stuff, but idk much about it09:22
Lava_Croftmicroemulator, phoneme09:23
Lava_Croftthose are both related to java09:23
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chem|stwhy do people reg. tmo accounts only to use the PM system...12:26
jon_ythey're just shy12:27
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: google > m$13:51
DrathirDrCode: why you dont use builitin maemo mail client?13:51
DrCodehi all13:54
DrCodeI am looking for replacemanet for qtwaze, is there google mape for maemo?13:54
japa-fitry marble. It's not google maps, but it's opensource.13:57
japa-fiBased on openstreetmaps13:57
japa-fiSupports routing and downloading map data for offline use.13:57
japa-fiWhen downloading the offline data, don't go into too detailed zoom level (16, 17) just for fun or it will download really lot of data.13:58
DrCodewhere can I check there site , if thay have map support?13:58
japa-fiSee what kind of map they have on the area you are interested.13:59
japa-fi(I'm semi active openstreetmap mapper btw :) )13:59
DrCodeI can install marble with apt-get install marble and download openstreetmap offline?14:01
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japa-fiOnce you are on marble, you scroll the map to the area you want to download14:04
DrCodewow nice14:04
DrCodedose it have voice vocal , in multi lang?14:04
japa-fiIt does not have voice guidance14:05
japa-fi@all: Why does my N900 change the location server always back to after restarts? the GPS is really bad getting fix without tha agps data. I always need to change to (btw other alternatives?)14:06
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japa-fiTo download map data for offline use, just clik on the top bar, download region, either a route (if you have one active) or visible region (my usual choice) and then select the zoom level.14:09
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japa-fiIt does display the amount of data to be downloaded based on your selections, so you can see the difference the zoom makes.14:09
japa-fiApparently limited to zoom level 16. This is example of the detail available in zoom 16  (downtown helsinki, capital of finland)14:12
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M4rtinKDrCode: also try modRana14:59
M4rtinKDrCode: it has voice guidance :)14:59
Siceloor even stock maps :P15:01
Siceloused in conjunction with OM Voice Server, it's not bad15:01
DocScrutinizer05wow, that's weird ... to highlight  <DrCode> [2013-07-18 12:57:32] ‬‏ םל15:20
* DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders about the definition how RTL and LTR text in same line relates to each other15:22
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amin007110lol, interesting.15:24
DocScrutinizer05japa-fi: OOOOH :-o you suffer from the SUPL reset pheomenon that I never been able to reproduce15:25
DocScrutinizer05to put it straight, I have NFC why that happens15:26
DocScrutinizer05might be entangled with your connectivity settings15:26
DocScrutinizer05do you frequently swap SIM cards?15:27
DocScrutinizer05or have a weird SIM that frequently "roams"?15:27
Sicelomine resets too .. no SIM swapping15:27
japa-fiAh... I Have swapped SIMs, haven't checked if that is the issue. Last weekend I was in the middle of nowhere without any coverage from my service provider. Put in my wife's sim (different provider) to be able to access internet..15:28
japa-fiWill do restart test to see if it stays unaltered when not changing the sim15:29
DocScrutinizer05for sure SUPL server is linked to rtcom/SIM account15:29
japa-fiLOL. Didn't remember I had changed the shaking hands to "Don't panic"15:30
japa-fiYeah, it survived restart.15:30
japa-fithe setting that is.15:30
japa-fiAny other supl servers beside google?15:31
japa-fiI don't like announcing my whole life to google15:31
DocScrutinizer05gconftool -R /system/nokia/location/supl15:31
DocScrutinizer05mine rock solid at15:32
DocScrutinizer05 port = 727515:32
DocScrutinizer05 server =
DocScrutinizer05since >12 months15:32
DocScrutinizer05japa-fi: well.... google for supl server free ;-P15:33
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Lava_Croftyeah, google wont mind you giving your location data15:43
Lava_Crofti swear there's a guy called N1N101 playing Tremulous15:44
Lava_Crofter NIN15:44
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Lava_CroftAll 3 major Russian telcos quit selling iPhones15:45
Wizzupregarding yappari, does anyone have an idea if they have plans of open sourcing it?15:45
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Lava_Crofti dont think they can open source it15:46
Lava_Croftisnt the n900/n9 implementation just a hack of some whatsapp application from another platform?15:46
Wizzupuhm, what?15:46
Lava_Croftor have they come further and actually rewritten from scratch15:46
Lava_Croftguess they have! :D15:46
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Wizzupits not like its a hard protocol too15:47    wow!15:47
Lava_Croftimo whatsapp is junk15:47
WizzupLava_Croft: you can always dump source somewhere... legal or not15:48
Lava_CroftWizzup: yeah, now thats a good practice:P15:49
Wizzupsure it is :)15:50
Lava_Croftrespecting open source inherently means respecting closed source15:51
* Wizzup will settle for agree to disagree15:51
Lava_Croftyeah, double standards are no stranger in the world of open source15:51
japa-fiWhat's the best application for tracking phone usage. Ie, number of calls + durations and possibly grouping calls on some criterias (prefix etc)15:51
WizzupLava_Croft: wanting to free everything is not a double standard15:53
Wizzupyou're making way too many assumptions, but I don't have time to educate you here15:53
Lava_CroftWizzup: if you expect people to respect one's choice to go with open source, you will have respect one other's choice to go with closed source15:53
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Lava_Crofti guess the big companies taught you well then :)15:53
Lava_Croftfighting fire with fire has always proven to be a great succes :D15:54
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Wizzupmore assumptions... I'm getting dizzy15:54
Lava_Croftits a guess, not an assumption, as i stated:)15:54
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Lava_Crofti also want to free everything, but i have to take into account people's rights to make their own choices:)15:55
Lava_Croftand respect said choices, even if i dont agree15:55
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Lava_Croftforcibly wanting to free everything is a lie15:55
Lava_Croftyou cannot forcibly 'free' anything15:56
WizzupLava_Croft: ... you made the argument that they were not able to open the sourcecode because it was ... a hack from another whatsapp application15:56
Lava_Croftno, i thought it was, as i stated15:56
WizzupThat doesn't stop them from uploading the source somewhere15:56
Lava_Crofttheir choice apparently is to not to15:56
Lava_Croftrespect their choice15:56
Lava_Croftenjoy the free application15:56
Wizzupwhich is why I won't use it, to protect my privacy15:56
Wizzupplease do not use the word free like that.15:56
Lava_Croftanother free software extremist?15:57
Lava_Croftyou guys are a cancer15:57
WizzupHave a look at the worlds tiniest open source violin :-)15:57
Lava_Croftunless you make the same hand movements as Buscemi, its nothing15:58
Wizzup(btw, more assumptions)15:58
Lava_Croftlife is tied together with assumptions15:59
infobothmm... rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or
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lexxikfuu.. i want to buy n900 camera module but not the whole n900 >:(16:17
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Lava_Croftpeople might want to make backups of projects they made/use on
Lava_Croftservice is ending over the coming months16:23
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DocScrutinizer05lexxik is kinda weird16:58
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders to which hw interface lexxik wants to connect the cam module16:58
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psycho_oreosToo bad lexxik didn't come back.16:59
DocScrutinizer05maybe he finally did the right thing: googling for "camera module nokia n900"17:00
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DocScrutinizer05but honestly it's damn hard to interface to this module to make any reasonable use of it, without a supporting controller like... N900 OMAP17:06
chem|stthat saremi is a friend... grew up with the lazy basterd^^17:06
DocScrutinizer05pretty good shop17:06
DocScrutinizer05their original parts seem to be actually *original*17:07
chem|stthey are17:07
chem|sthe is one of the bigger providers of dummies and spare parts for germany17:07
DocScrutinizer05officially recommended by DocS17:08
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Lava_Croftnearly 25euros for a bl5j17:08
chem|stSchechingen is close to Schwäbisch Gmünd, where I grew up, we made contact through facebook again a few years ago17:08
DocScrutinizer05that's still cheap17:08
DocScrutinizer05compared to street price17:09
Lava_Crofti got all of mine for less than 10e a piece, original :X17:09
Lava_Croftanyhow, this shop is indeed nice17:09
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chem|stLava_Croft: keep in mind that every bl5j... the gradient down from 25eurs expresses the probability of a fake...17:10
Lava_Croftthey arent :)17:10
chem|stand 10e is probably not original, even with the fancy sticker on17:10
Lava_Croftdont care for the sticker, care for the place i bought it:)17:11
DocScrutinizer05I found another bastard this morning, who sells a 30W (30LED) blue laser cluster for 5000USD, and I *know* this component got ripped out of a video projector that costs 800..1000USD new17:11
DocScrutinizer05now THATS ripp-off, a BL-5J for 25€ not17:11
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Lava_Croftsounds like the people taking apart old cars and selling the parts for lol prices17:11
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DocScrutinizer05just they are new "cars" here17:12
chem|stif you need a powerfull electronic pumpimg laser you find a bluray burner and a lens...17:12
Lava_Croftor the guy that repaired my woman's scooter because the exhaust was broken, replaced the original Yamaha exhaust with a cheap fake and then put our original exhaust on sale17:12
Lava_Crofthe sure ended up having a problem17:12
chem|stscammers everywhere17:12
psycho_oreoslol, in Chinese that sort of action can be summed into two words. Too bad there's no English equivalent of it.17:13
psycho_oreosrather exact English.17:13
psycho_oreosApart from so-calling "scamming".17:14
Lava_CroftI always get happy from seeing pics of a CP-40817:15
Lava_Crofteven when it wore out, the plastic frame is still rather awesome17:15
DocScrutinizer05what's a CP-408?17:17
Lava_CroftN900 case17:18
Lava_Croftthe booklet one17:18
DocScrutinizer05never seen17:18
DocScrutinizer05hah, nice17:19
Lava_Crofthighly recommended17:19
Lava_Crofteven when about 100+ in and out of jeans pocket movements a day, it lasts at least a year:)17:19
Lava_Croftthe button could be tighter, so it opens less easily, but thats an easy fix17:20
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psycho_oreoshmm Pali ping17:34
psycho_oreosPali, short and sweet, you have the source code to JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko?17:35
Paliyes, source is GPL17:35
Paliit was (and maybe still is) on joiku website17:36
Palialso you can find it in kernel power git tree17:36
ecc3ghmm... i heard that the droid x2 also phones home with credentials... i hope this is not becoming the norm...17:37
psycho_oreosPali, thanks, just out of curiousity as I wondered why the actual joikuspot installer wasn't updated to reflect that hence requiring user intervention. I ought to check out those sources first :) took me a bit of time to find out exactly who owned /lib/modules/current/JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko.17:39
Palijoikuspot is closed SW and is not in any maemo repository17:40
Palionly open source kernel modul is in kernel-power17:40
Palikernel module for stock kernel is also in 3rd joiku deb package17:40
psycho_oreosYeah but they forgot to make the installer copy the one for the current power kernel into their own directory. Oh well its their fault for not updating their postinst script it seems :D17:41
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psycho_oreosI sort of wondered why when I tried running insmod on the included kernel module did I get invalid format or something like that. After searching I found: and the pre-included /lib/modules/current/JoikuSpot_Boucer.ko on my filesystem to load correctly.17:44
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DocScrutinizer05when you can get 2TB additional storage on your (hosted) dedicated root server, but for same money can get a second dedicated root server with 2TB storage... what would you choose?18:01
Lava_Croft2nd option18:01
Lava_Croft1+some more is still less than 218:02
DocScrutinizer05particularly since 2nd root server comes with 2nd 20TB/mo traffic18:03
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Lava_Crofti think our server is hetzner too18:06
Lava_Croftya, it is18:07
Lava_Croftoh wrong channel18:12
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DocScrutinizer05though I wonder if all the projects in won't simply move to gitorius or whatever18:22
Lava_Croftno clue, why would they18:24
psycho_oreosBe nice if they could.18:27
DocScrutinizer05because nokia shuts down18:28
DocScrutinizer05and I been wondering ^^^ if we need to provide a new home for[]=254_top&f=&numresults=10&page=1&tab=active18:29
Lava_CroftMight be very good to keep a copy/new home of the maemo5 and 6 stuff18:29
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DocScrutinizer05but it's hard to see why such git/whatever repo would have to get provided by maemo community18:30
Lava_Croftright now its hosted by nokia, so that might make sense18:30
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I was thinking about backup18:30
Lava_Croftfor the maemo community to take over, that is18:30
Lava_Croftthese are still applications and developers who do work for maemo18:31
Lava_Croftno matter on what part of nokia they host it18:31
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psycho_oreos59 projects.18:31
Lava_Croft144 for maemo618:31
* psycho_oreos wonders where else would nokia host maemo stuff, like they did with their own private repository.18:32
Lava_Crofti only know of this projects site, apart from the maemo community18:32
DocScrutinizer05>>With some sadness we announce that the Nokia Developer Projects service ( will be discontinued in the following months (due to ongoing trend of low activity and increasing costs). Please backup any project data you wish to save as soon as possible (ideally within the next few weeks). After the service has been stopped all unsaved data will be lost!<<18:33
Lava_Croftaint it strange how there's low activity?18:33
DocScrutinizer05aint it strange that we might have to go same path for
psycho_oreosI think they're just using the running cost as some sort of excuse.18:34
Lava_Croftwell, why would nokia keep hosting this stuff18:34
Lava_Croftthey are all windows now18:34
Lava_Crofti guess they assume MS can take over this position, since nokia is just a HW manufacturer now18:35
Lava_Croftapart from some nokia specific lumia apps:P18:35
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psycho_oreosIts not like the maemo project itself is completely dead. There's still people who may like to see in the coming future that these stuff may still be available. Take for instance those two new people to maemo here who just acquired N900.18:35
Lava_Croftthe fact that you have to say 'not completely dead' says it all :)18:36
Lava_Croftwell, more like :(18:37
psycho_oreosRather, nokia is seeking measures to get rid of maemo like a completely unwanted/orphaned child project.18:37
Lava_Croftwhy wouldnt they?18:37
Lava_Croftnokia has no interest in it anymore and they are not welfare18:37
DocScrutinizer05is somebody capable to evaluate how much storage it needs to backup all that (maemo*) stuff?18:37
Lava_Crofthave fun with that18:38
DocScrutinizer05no, i won't18:38
psycho_oreosI think maybe its a good thing we should all start scrubbing off "nokia" decal on what was once their own devices and probably stop calling it a nokia device. (lol)18:38
Lava_Croftthats just emo18:38
DocScrutinizer05my support for that save&rescue enterprise is strictly limited18:38
Lava_Croftcant blame nokia, which is a company, for not providing welfare to a deprecated community18:39
Lava_Croft(in their corporate eyes)18:39
Lava_Crofti mean, they probably barely have anyone left on the payroll who knows anything about maemo18:39
psycho_oreosCan't blame them for also making notable profit from meego devices as compared to their windows phones.18:39
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Lava_Crofti dont listen to tommi18:40
Lava_Croftyou can go all emo over nokia ditching maemo, but it wont help any bit besides maybe ruining your own mood:<18:40
Lava_Croftnokia is a company, not a loving person with feelings18:40
Lava_Crofteven tho it might have felt different at times :|18:41
DocScrutinizer05when you're done discussing moral aspects of Nokia behaviour, please advice me what to do on behalf of maemo community18:41
psycho_oreosCompared to other hardware companies, there are still a fair few of them still host stuff for legacy devices.18:41
Lava_Croftmake a post on tmo, asking users to suggest applications that they consider mandatory18:41
Lava_Croftgive it a week or two18:42
Lava_Croftanything that is not suggested and doesnt look worthy in anyone's eyes, you ditch and dont backup18:42
Lava_Croftnot all projects there actually have files orso18:42
psycho_oreoso.O placeholders?18:42
Lava_Croftfor example:|18:43
Lava_Croftlots of demos too18:43
Lava_Croft is not18:44
Lava_Croftfor example nelisquare is also hosted there, but im fairly certain its already hosted on rmo18:44
DocScrutinizer05so what? not only backup but even clean out the empty cruft that doesn't take any considerable space anyway? won't happen18:44
Lava_Croftthen id just back it all up18:45
Lava_Croftcant possibly be much18:45
DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-18 17:37:35] <DocScrutinizer05> is somebody capable to evaluate how much storage it needs to backup all that (maemo*) stuff?18:45
psycho_oreosIf there was a method to do that of course.18:45
Lava_Crofta method to back it up and a method to gauge space18:45
cehtehdf -h  :P18:45
DocScrutinizer05there are methods, but no storage18:46
Lava_Crofti dont have the time to check up each page and note the filesizes, heh :<18:47
* DocScrutinizer05 neither18:47
psycho_oreosI guess the only way is to somehow get the tarballs (or whatever it maybe) and then see how much space is needed. I somewhat agree that it can't be much, won't be several hundred gigabytes of data as well I'd bet.18:47
psycho_oreosI guess someone should ask nokia if its ok to mirror that lot, it'd be faster than manually finding out which projects take up a few bytes and which projects probably has a few hundred MB.18:49
DocScrutinizer05available: 287G18:49
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psycho_oreos*shrugs* nokia probably won't even disclose that stuff.. there's probably projects that are marked private with no maintaners active left.18:49
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psycho_oreosI'd guess let the users on tmo decide :) its only the best way and see if they can get the maintaners (or maintaners themselves) move the stuff to gitorious, etc.18:51
psycho_oreosPost a thread to notify that will be no more.18:52
DocScrutinizer05so these are your options: A) you tell me "this are <200GB" and I ask for somebody to back stuff up to skeiron  B) you tell me it's probably more but worth it and I sponsor a EX40 for ~50EUR per month, from donations  C) you tell me there's other locations (gitorious) where all that stuff can get migrated by *one* guy who actually takes care this will happen. D) you do none of the former and nothing at all will get done, at least by me18:53
Lava_Croftlast option: backup the apps you use and dont care18:54
DocScrutinizer05obvously nonsense option18:54
Lava_Crofta human option nontheless :|18:54
DocScrutinizer05actually included in D)18:54
DocScrutinizer05I don't feel like reporting about my *private* activity18:55
DocScrutinizer05as far as techstaff/council/me is concerned, it's A) thru D)18:56
DocScrutinizer05since on IPHH infra we don't have any reasonable free resources for anything like that18:56
DocScrutinizer05we have a 3TB free storage, but that's auxiliary18:58
psycho_oreosI wonder if that news has been sent out to any maintaners whom registered their projects on that site been emailed.18:58
DocScrutinizer05yes, obviously18:59
DocScrutinizer05I got above cited mail18:59
psycho_oreosIt'd be more sane I suppose to make any remaining maintaners to seek alternative choices where possible.18:59
psycho_oreosAhh, I thought that was on their blog or something. Funnily enough they don't make that as some sort of public announcement.19:00
psycho_oreosBy means of making a notice or something when any random public visits the projects page or even blogging it.19:00
DocScrutinizer05oops, it not been sent to me, just to chem|st who forwarded it to me in a rather stealth way19:01
jk4roaming seems kind of weak on n900 with at&t19:01
jk4is there a way to improve roaming19:01
jk4or force it use tmobile's network when roaming?19:01
jk4on train and it's picking up towers worse than the kindle i brought19:02
DocScrutinizer05yes: don't cover antenna in right/bottom end with your palm19:02
DocScrutinizer05no joke19:02
jk4lol i'm not :/19:02
jk4it's just sitting on the table19:03
psycho_oreosI don't know what at&t is like but I guess one could look into hardware hacks.19:03
DocScrutinizer05sitting on table might be a cause for poor sensitivity and high battery drain for TX. When it's a metal table (also under the skin which probably is plastic)19:04
psycho_oreosMaybe have the device facing upside down or use the standard kickstand to try and get better coverage. *shrugs*19:06
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DocScrutinizer05yes, the latter help19:12
DocScrutinizer05ooh, the mail got sent to me directly as well, even 3 times :-)19:14
psycho_oreoslol 3 times :D19:14
jk4don't seem to be receiving text messages though.. any thoughts?19:15
psycho_oreosI guess that should give those maintaners (if they are still reading their emails) time to migrate.19:15
psycho_oreosI dunno.. a very rough guess might be /{home,opt} is full.19:17
jk4nope this one is barely used19:19
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psycho_oreosHas the device ever been able to receive text messages?19:20
jk4in the past yes19:21
Lava_Croftyeah, got the mail 3 times too19:21
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jk4psycho_oreos: thanks19:22
jk4for the thing19:22
jk4wow getting 14K19:24
jk4that's almost acceptable19:24
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psycho_oreosjk4, hmm in the past (about text messages). I dunno, I'm probably going to stab at randomly.. are you able to send texts and are the other devices able to receive it?19:26
psycho_oreosjk4, no worries about the link, seems like there's free games also on that site. About text messages, weird.. I'd probably start looking into syslogs or even into getting a log from conversations somehow. It might even be the number to receive text messages might be wrong/old/outdated.19:28
jk4where might i update that?19:29
jk4could easily search for it on net i'm sure19:29
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psycho_oreosConversations (that down arrow) > Settings > SMS centre number.19:30
* psycho_oreos wonders if there's other settings exist elsewhere.19:30
psycho_oreosAlso if you have installed message blocker, maybe message blocker is active and you may also have set it to delete blocked messages.19:33
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dreamerhi all, anyone know of a nice way to stream gps-data to a server?20:35
dreamerI want to do some near-realtime display of my position for a bike-trip next week20:35
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Sicelodreamer: look at Columbus22:19
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dreamerSicelo: why the skewed face?22:21
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dreamerSicelo: hmm, interesting features, but I don't see any streaming over gprs/3g22:23
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Siceloskewed face because i've never exactly tested the network side of things with columbus.22:26
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dreamerhmm, odd. faster application manager is giving errors22:27
* dreamer try regular one22:28
Sicelofapman appears to have a 'not-so-good' reputation :P22:29
dreamernever had issues before though :P22:30
DocScrutinizer05fapman issues show up when you try to do other stuff you think isn't related to fapman22:31
DocScrutinizer05like "I never had issues with AKME-REGISTRY-OPTIMIZER-malware, it always works super for me and always claims 'PC speed up:45200%'!"22:32
dreamerDocScrutinizer05: I didn't do any other stuff :P22:33
DocScrutinizer05oh, so you run maemo just for fapman?22:33
DocScrutinizer05didn't know it was THAT entertaining22:33
DocScrutinizer05I nuked fapman from my device (afzer ~20min) when I noticed I suddenly lost SIP functionality in dialer, after using fapman22:34
DocScrutinizer05back in ~201022:35
DocScrutinizer05never agin will touch it22:35
dreamerDocScrutinizer05: I .. have no idea wth you are talking about22:35
dreamerSicelo: ok, I see in the network settings of columbus that it can do some tcp network transport. I take it this is a gpsd forward of some kind?22:36
DocScrutinizer05I have no idea how to put it any simpler22:36
dreamerDocScrutinizer05: you can be a little more friendly than to assume some inconspicous things. you don't know me, or my reasons to do things the way I do.22:36
DocScrutinizer05fapman has no issues, it *creates* issues22:36
dreamerwell, so do you apparently :)22:36
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DocScrutinizer05wtf is wrong with you?22:37
dreamer"oh, so you run maemo just for fapman?" << I can't do anything with this assumption22:37
dreamerDocScrutinizer05: maybe start a blog about your problems with fapman :)22:37
dreameruntil today I found it more useful than the default appmanager22:38
dreamerno reason to go off ranting to me about it22:38
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DocScrutinizer05if a benevolent advice is conceived as ranting by you, then you're in wrong channel here22:38
dreamerit didn't come off as benevolent22:39
dreameris what I'm trying to say22:39
DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-18 21:33:03] <dreamer> DocScrutinizer05: I didn't do any other stuff :P  [2013-07-18 21:33:22] <DocScrutinizer05> oh, so you run maemo just for fapman?22:39
dreamerI had wifi on, that's it22:39
dreamerit seemed to think there was a dpkg lock22:39
dreamerbut regular appmanager had no problem22:40
DocScrutinizer05I'm telling you fapman creates problems not in fapman but in random other stuff. You say you didn't do *any* other stuff22:40
dreamerthen you started to go off22:40
DocScrutinizer05and you haven't seen me going off22:40
dreameryeah, I get that this is your 'neutral' state22:40
dreameryou must be on the linux kernel ML :P22:41
dreamersomeone educated you well enough ;)22:41
DocScrutinizer05and re fapman. you'll learn about problems it creates next time you try to do a system update that fails with unresolvable conflicts22:41
dreameranyway, I don't give a rats ass about application managers22:41
dreamerI'm trying to actually use my n900 for something atm22:42
DocScrutinizer05no matter what you use to do that update22:42
dreamerSicelo: hmm, seems it sends NMEA data? which is for sea navigation .. not sure what I would do with that. really I just want unadulterated gps-coordinates22:43
DocScrutinizer05and I explcained to you that fapman for example can remove SIP libraries from your system, rendering dialer semi-broken22:43
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dreamerwell, regular appmanager now can't find this columbus add-on that I saw earlier. that's really useful22:44
dreameroh, huh. they installed automagically22:44
Sicelodreamer: i have  never used columbus for any network-related things. i just knew that it has some network functionality.22:45
* DocScrutinizer05 headdesks22:45
Sicelothe beauty of HAM ;)22:45
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders who's going off now22:45
dreamerSicelo: well, I can't find anything useful on what kind of network-sending it does. and what I can use the data for22:45
dreamerDocScrutinizer05: seriously, I don't give a shit about your 3 year old oppinion.22:46
DocScrutinizer05while I might come over grumpy, you come over as a ranting noob22:46
Sicelook. don't know what else you can use then .. i actually rarely even use gps. in fact, it's the least used funtion here ;)22:46
dreamerDocScrutinizer05: I'm trying to talk to Sicelo about an application he recommended22:46
DocScrutinizer05dreamer: do you have another one of this category for me, please. i'm in the mood22:47
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Sicelowell dreamer, lol.. i know only a small subset of what DocScrutinizer05 here knows about N900 ;)22:48
qwazixmeh, popcorn wasted22:49
DocScrutinizer05and another kick-opportunity wasted ;-P22:50
Sicelooh, lol.. i spoke to myself, aw :(22:51
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: wasn't there a browser app that had location awareness and been able to propagate on position to a webserver?22:52
DocScrutinizer05I dunno shit about columbus, only that it been much appreciated back when22:52
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DocScrutinizer05and indeed I think it provided a sort of cmdline interface for GPS stuff22:53
Sicelodunno. i really have very little use for gps stuff. i just have columbus installed because i think it is a nice application.. also have Blaizen's tweaks for stock Maps, to provide voice guidance.22:53
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DocScrutinizer05ooh yes, another very cute hack22:53
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DocScrutinizer05I should get an auto-lock for kbd when it detect pain strain22:54
DocScrutinizer05dunno how dreamer mamanged to get me into this mood22:55
qwazixOT  but I got a ninja block (beaglebone + arduino + 433Mhz RF + nice webapp) to control lights and other stuff at home22:56
qwazixit ROCKS!22:56
SiceloDocScrutinizer05: you're typing on N900?22:58
DocScrutinizer05a shame, isn't it?22:58
win7macqwazix, ROTFL...
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qwazixwin7mac, lol23:00
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DocScrutinizer05HEEHEEEHEEEE nice, particularly for an EE like me who did similar stuff hw-wise several times. But when I was the neighbours opposite sitde of the street, and every evening every 30min this shot goes off... WHERE IS MY C4??!!!??23:29
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