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| ecc3g | hmm... n900 with 288 hours of standby time... ha. | 01:02 |
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| * brolin_empey_ cannot leave Maemo 5 running indefinitely because eventually the GUI becomes so unresponsive that the computer is practically unusable. I seem to need to power cycle my N900 again after “only” 13 days, 6 hours of uptime. :/ | 02:38 | |
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| robbiethe1st | There's a fix out there | 02:39 |
| brolin_empey | robbiethe1st: Do you mean to power cycle the N900 every week even if the GUI is still responsive? :P | 02:41 |
| robbiethe1st | No | 02:43 |
| robbiethe1st | I think there's a patch for hildon-home which helps | 02:43 |
| brolin_empey | robbiethe1st: Without a fix, I think I seriously have to power-cycle every week as a workaround because I lose too much time if I leave Maemo 5 running until the GUI becomes very unresponsive. | 02:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Check the forums | 02:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Or ask DocS | 02:49 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: DocScrutinizer51: ↑ | 02:51 |
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| brolin_empey | Incidentally, does anyone here have experience with the new QNX-based BlackBerry 10 OS, specifically on the BlackBerry Q10 handheld computer? | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | slow down of UI after several days is known issue attributed to swap fragmentation. A) reswap or similar tools help B) I have uptimes of >180days with perfectly responsive GUI. No browser wondows open though, no desktop widgets that hog memory | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but even on my daily phone I get usually way >14days until I eventually need to reboot or reswap. I close browser windows immediately after using them, on this device. I also use webbrowser rarely | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I have a reasonably small (<1MB) eventsdb | 03:02 |
| * ecc3g regularly "aw, crap forgot about that" crashes his n900 by forgetting to swapoff the microsd before opening the back cover... | 03:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe this cold happen to me now too, since a few days ago I did swapon mmcblk1p3, to test my drivelight | 03:04 |
| ecc3g | Actually even worse, I'm not pulling off the cover to access the microusb, it's to readjust the lanyard :o | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | syslog been a funny read, to see how HD tore down all sorts of preloaded stuff like dialer and whatnot, to handle low storage situation when I did swapoff mmcblk0p3 (786M) after swapon mmcblk1p3 (180M) | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything recovered great when I swapon'ed the eMMC swap again | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I kept uSD swap on concurrently | 03:07 |
| ecc3g | I keep both up for no particular reason, except with microsd with higher priority | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense | 03:09 |
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| ecc3g | I need to figure out how to stop it from trying to disable microsd when pulling off the cover though :D | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus you don't need to enable eMMC one when reswapping or planning to open backcover. just swapoff <uSD> | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | disabling uSD poweroff when opening backcover might be hard on a SW patch level. They are entangled on a pretty low HW level | 03:11 |
| ecc3g | Ah... doh. | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, there must be a certain level of sw control over that, but it's pretty kneedeep into kernel hacking, low level driver stuff for MMC driver | 03:12 |
| ecc3g | I was thinking, if it were possible, just ignore all back cover udev events somehow... | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, that's way lower | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's inside the MMC kernel driver | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even a cofig option (register bit) in MMC hw block | 03:14 |
| ecc3g | or cut off a small piece of a neodymium magnet and tape it onto the sensor :D | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that's the hacker solution | 03:14 |
| ecc3g | but I figure I'll just remember to swapoff... or... don't fsck with the cover... heh | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I recently found efka cigarette papers (100 pack) with tiny strong magnet inside to keep lid closed | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "special" | 03:15 |
| ecc3g | hmm. | 03:16 |
| robbiethe1st | Why not just solder the sensor closed? | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the maknet is inside the lid carton. less than a millimeter all together | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | magnet, dang | 03:17 |
| ecc3g | must do no damage to the dwindling supply of N900's. :D | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UGH, s/efka/gizeh/ | 03:18 |
| robbiethe1st | Bah, that's not damage, that's improvement! | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.amazon.de/Papers-Gizeh-medium-Magnet-100er/dp/B0051TYR72 | 03:20 |
| robbiethe1st | That reminds me... I've got to go see about fixing my original N900, fix the USB port | 03:21 |
| ecc3g | ah... not a smoker, now that makes sense. | 03:21 |
| ecc3g | whoops. now i know that sending X-OFF will eventually cause gentoo emerges to block once the buffer is full... grr. | 03:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when soldering the sensor closed, you have two options: shut down N900 to swap uSD. Or build a patched MMC kernel driver that needs an even more intrusive patch to switch down uSD power under SW control | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAHA that pack of papers has a FSC stamp (no forrest killing for the paper, kinda "green label") but then the waste Neodym on the magnets | 03:26 |
| ecc3g | heh | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | makes a lot of sense, considering how China looks like where they get those rare earthes | 03:27 |
| ecc3g | I cant believe they used a neodymium magnet for that? sure it's not ferrite or something? | 03:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to get a 40 of those papers, since they probably aren't a product to last | 03:27 | |
| ecc3g | It might well be neodymium if the magnet is used with perhaps a rubber seal to keep it dry | 03:28 |
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| * ecc3g tries to remember to strip neodymium magnets from all drives before disposing of them... | 03:29 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | W*T*F??? | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# cat /proc/swaps | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Filename Type Size Used Priority | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/mmcblk0p3 partition 786424 0 -2 | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/mmcblk1p3 partition 136184 111696 -1 | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look at priority, I don't even have gnu-swapon or messybox-power | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and my camera made device swap like mad and finally hang on camera viefinder after I took a snapshot | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...of the magnet | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | killing camera in taskswitcher and "ok kill it" finally solved the instant problem | 03:36 |
| ecc3g | weird | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think my uSD is pretty slow | 03:37 |
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| ecc3g | I do wonder how linux keeps track of blocks evicted to one or the other swap spaces... | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# cat /proc/swaps | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Filename Type Size Used Priority | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/mmcblk0p3 partition 786424 17684 -1 | 03:38 |
| ecc3g | currently I have a huge 1.25GB swap on my microsd :D | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's insane | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it even reduces available RAM | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need comsiderable amount of real RAM to handle the lookup tables for swap | 03:39 |
| ecc3g | yeah, as above, I wonder how it keeps track of pages...when it will decide to use one or other swap | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it keeps track via the lookup tables I'd think | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me though how it decides which of two swaps with equal prio to use | 03:40 |
| ecc3g | I have done some silly stuff, I once made one of my 384MB X86 boxes compile firefox 10 | 03:40 |
| ecc3g | come link time, it needs 1.5GB VM to complete, it took several hours to finish linking | 03:41 |
| ecc3g | I guess I also wonder if you have more than 1 swap space, and the swap space with higher priority is full, when/if it decides to put lesser used pages on the lower priority swap or whatever... hmm. | 03:44 |
| ecc3g | lots of possibilities here... | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130717_003.jpg ff | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GOD they're pretty bad when viewing them on PC large screen | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 03:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 blushes | 03:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, it for sure won't move swap pages from higher prio swap to lower prio swap to make space on higher swap | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it simply tries to use higher swap until it's not capable of taking the page to swap out | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then switches to lower swap | 03:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the magnet *looks* like V4A steel | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's damn strong | 03:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess 100g | 03:52 |
| Macer | hm | 03:52 |
| Macer | is theonering still developed? | 03:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if the tiny steel plate in the "body" of the paper pack wasn't under a 0.3mm carton, then the magnet would be too strong | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, got me 40 nice little magnets, basically for free (and even saved some money on the papers too :-D ) | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 40 magnets PLUS 400 papers, for 28EUR. Great deal | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually I'd pay ~40 for the papers alone | 04:23 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 06:56 |
| DrCode | I can' | 06:56 |
| DrCode | I can | 06:56 |
| DrCode | I can't connet to the internet from 3g, any idea? | 06:57 |
| DrCode | only wifi work | 06:57 |
| robbiethe1st | Did you configure your APN right? | 07:01 |
| robbiethe1st | Per your provider's instruction | 07:01 |
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| Macer | heh | 07:16 |
| Macer | broken cell modem? i had an n900 which had a broken modem | 07:17 |
| DrCode | ok | 07:19 |
| DrCode | found it | 07:19 |
| DrCode | I had to chose game in internet connect | 07:19 |
| DrCode | can I had MSN protocol | 07:20 |
| DrCode | I have only skype,gtalk and facebook | 07:20 |
| DrCode | Is there option to use msn messanger without pidgin? | 07:33 |
| DrCode | like I do in gtlak and skype? | 07:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wut? | 08:36 |
| SAiF | ? | 08:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-17 06:19:56] <DrCode> I had to chose game in internet connect | 08:40 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: most probably he meant the apn he had to choose for 3G had the name "game" | 08:55 |
| thedead1440 | a telco misnomer probably ;) | 08:56 |
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| DrCode | ok | 09:06 |
| DrCode | ye | 09:06 |
| DrCode | yes, it work now | 09:06 |
| DrCode | If I want to had msn messanger in im connect | 09:06 |
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| DrCode | what shuld I install? | 09:06 |
| DrCode | dose it use pidgin? | 09:06 |
| DrCode | sorry if I ask , I am new in maemo | 09:07 |
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| japa-fi | not that I have experience with pidgin on N900, but I've used it on my PC some years ago to replace msn messenger. I'd say go for it | 09:17 |
| DrCode | ok | 09:23 |
| DrCode | the im connect uses pidgin? | 09:23 |
| DrCode | or its internly? | 09:23 |
| amin007110 | Drathir, you should just install msn plugin to connect. haze or pecan. | 09:31 |
| amin007110 | DrCode, | 09:31 |
| amin007110 | sorry | 09:31 |
| DrCode | wow | 09:33 |
| DrCode | ok | 09:33 |
| * amin007110 remembers when phones were stupid and people were smart! Good times... | 09:33 | |
| DrCode | apr-get install ? | 09:33 |
| DrCode | can u please point me what to install? | 09:33 |
| amin007110 | account-plugin-butterfly and/or telepathy-msn-pecan | 09:35 |
| DrCode | ok | 09:36 |
| DrCode | thankyou | 09:36 |
| amin007110 | also "aMSN" is available | 09:36 |
| DrCode | I realy love maemo, I had android before | 09:39 |
| DrCode | its much better | 09:39 |
| DrCode | I don't understand why nokie | 09:39 |
| psycho_oreos | amin007110 remembers when phones were stupid and people were smart! Good times... <--- Doesn't that always happen with technology? as our machines gets more intelligent, we end up turning a blind eye towards things :) | 09:40 |
| amin007110 | psycho_oreos, Yes. | 09:42 |
| * psycho_oreos recalls one of Albert Einstein's quote: "It has become appaulingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity." | 09:43 | |
| amin007110 | :) | 09:46 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 10:36 |
| DrCode | I want to flash n900 | 10:37 |
| DrCode | I don't see emmc vanila with pr1.3 | 10:37 |
| DrCode | only 1.2? | 10:37 |
| DrCode | do I need to flash emmc and then combind for last ver? | 10:37 |
| thedead1440 | yeah just use that emmc vanilla (eMMC content 10.2010.13-2); its fine... | 10:38 |
| DrCode | ok | 10:38 |
| Lava_Croft | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 10:38 |
| Lava_Croft | follow the guide there:) | 10:38 |
| DrCode | and then I use combind flash? | 10:38 |
| Lava_Croft | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 | 10:38 |
| Lava_Croft | that part describes flashing everything back to factory defaults | 10:39 |
| DrCode | I don't know if to run combind middle east or global | 10:39 |
| Lava_Croft | always go for global:) | 10:39 |
| Lava_Croft | read that last link carefully! :) | 10:39 |
| Lava_Croft | it's a simple process to do, but also simple to screw up | 10:40 |
| DrCode | the rootfs , I run on n900 itself | 10:41 |
| DrCode | so I use windows only for flash vanila via usb? | 10:41 |
| Lava_Croft | you can use whatever OS you desire | 10:41 |
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| DrCode | the rootfs , I run like the vanila? | 10:42 |
| DrCode | via usb? | 10:42 |
| Lava_Croft | read the links i gave you | 10:42 |
| Lava_Croft | everything is explained there in clear and not too difficult english :) | 10:42 |
| DrCode | ok | 10:42 |
| DrCode | thankyou | 10:43 |
| Lava_Croft | no problem, good luck! | 10:43 |
| DrCode | the middle east will give me arabic and hebrew support? | 10:43 |
| Lava_Croft | no clue, probably | 10:43 |
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| DrCode | or better to go with global | 10:44 |
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| amin007110 | DrCode, you can install any language support over global. no worry. | 10:53 |
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| japa-fi | DrCode, for flashing, I just followed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O54KdLvTA2U | 11:24 |
| japa-fi | It's nice as he shows the computer screen _and_ N900. You can see when to connect the thing, when to push U, what to expect to happen at what point | 11:25 |
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| SAiF | full battery charge is anther important thing or it may fail at 20% or so. | 11:37 |
| Lava_Croft | it works fine with a 50% charged battery | 11:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | Ideally its good to keep N900 fully charged as flashing severely drains the battery, last thing you want is to gamble on luck between a bricked device and a fully functioning device. | 11:45 |
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| Lava_Croft | except its just nonsense to say you need 100% | 12:26 |
| Lava_Croft | that only really applies if you screw up flashing and need to flash about 50 times | 12:26 |
| Lava_Croft | might as well say you need a backup diesel engine in case the power dies | 12:27 |
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| DrCode | I can't connect to msn messanger | 13:22 |
| DrCode | any idea? | 13:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | Then again, nothing wrong with suggesting to have full charge instead :) | 14:16 |
| psycho_oreos | Checked the logs? tried another plugin/program? | 14:17 |
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| amin007110 | Do original Nokia repositories have any mirror? | 14:36 |
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| psycho_oreos | Doubt it. | 14:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | At least not official mirrors. I think a few of us (within maemo) community may have private copies of it though. | 14:46 |
| kerio | i think they're mirrored on skeiron | 14:46 |
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| amin007110 | I meant officials. | 14:47 |
| kerio | i doubt nokia knows what a repository is | 14:47 |
| amin007110 | lol | 14:47 |
| DrCode | hi all | 14:48 |
| DrCode | I have install msn messanger , I can't connect to msn | 14:48 |
| DrCode | any idea? | 14:48 |
| psycho_oreos | nokia probably no longer cares to know what a repository is anyway :). | 14:48 |
| psycho_oreos | DrCode, Checked the logs? tried another plugin/program? | 14:48 |
| amin007110 | But it seems skeiron have not updated since 26 Dec. | 14:49 |
| amin007110 | Hmmmm...? | 14:49 |
| psycho_oreos | Any copy is better than none, no> | 14:50 |
| psycho_oreos | s/>/?/ | 14:50 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: Any copy is better than none, no? | 14:50 |
| amin007110 | DrCode, also check msn login webpage for any restrictions that may have applied. | 14:50 |
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| DrCode | ok | 14:51 |
| DrCode | the plugin need to work? | 14:51 |
| amin007110 | psycho_oreos, Of Course. | 14:51 |
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| psycho_oreos | That's being pretty vague DrCode | 14:52 |
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| DrCode | I am using account-plugin-butterfly | 14:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | Have you tried pecan? have you tried haze? have you tried using pidgin or even amsn? | 15:35 |
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| Drathir | Lava_Croft: better always have new phone charged to full, because isnt good known in behaviours... | 16:18 |
| Lava_Croft | nonsense without any arguments beyond "i heard/i read/jesus told me" | 16:19 |
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| Drathir | not really if battery is broken... | 16:30 |
| Lava_Croft | broken batter is a non-standard situation | 16:31 |
| Lava_Croft | a sufficiently broken battery also wont cut it:) | 16:31 |
| Lava_Croft | (yes, i understand the need of 'being safe') | 16:31 |
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| * amin007110 is thinking about "Does anyone else have a plastic bag full of other plastic bags somewhere in their house or is it just me?" | 17:23 | |
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| t0k3l1 | hey :) | 17:26 |
| t0k3l1 | i would like to ask are there new machine that use maemo? | 17:27 |
| t0k3l1 | or last was n900? | 17:27 |
| t0k3l1 | from nokia | 17:27 |
| * psycho_oreos has some fancy container for other plastic bags (which are tied up). The purpose of these other bags are mainly for reuse as rubbish bin liners. | 17:27 | |
| psycho_oreos | There's no new maemo. Apart from meego which had n9{50}, those were it from nokia. | 17:28 |
| t0k3l1 | thanks! | 17:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | nokia chose to abandon the maemo project, if you haven't read the news about nokia signing a deal with microsoft which happened ages ago. | 17:29 |
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| t0k3l1 | i have | 17:31 |
| t0k3l1 | but i was hoping for new hardware | 17:32 |
| t0k3l1 | yet using n900 :) | 17:32 |
| t0k3l1 | and was hoping for new machine :) | 17:32 |
| t0k3l1 | okey, thank you! hope for new future for maemo project! :) | 17:32 |
| t0k3l1 | good luck folks! | 17:32 |
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| teotwaki | that's cute. | 17:51 |
| teotwaki | amin007110: yeah, same here. | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (([2013-07-17 11:26:18] <Lava_Croft> except its just nonsense to say you need 100%)) how many users _you_ talked thru alien charging their battery after they messed a day with flashing? | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OK, then please shut up | 18:01 |
| * Lava_Croft chuckles at the excited nerd | 18:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit that most cases of low battery and thus flashing failing were caused by fux0red rootfs which did not charge at all to begin with | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let me put it this way: any other instruction was way more complicated to transport and to follow | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>use lshal|grep batter-voltage and see if voltage is >3860mV<<??? | 18:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | You have to "dumb" things down for those who don't want to know there are alternative choices. By complicating them with the myriad of things that could go wrong they'll end up worrying I suppose. | 18:10 |
| psycho_oreos | Besides, the remaining maemo users are really those that knows their stuff, except for a few new ones here and there. | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>smoking and fire at gasstation forbidden in distance less than 2,5m from your own as well as other cars, during filling in gasoline<< ?? | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NO WAY, >>NO SMOKING! NO FIRE!<< period | 18:13 |
| psycho_oreos | That is some really broken English lol. | 18:13 |
| Lava_Croft | i just smoke while filling up my car | 18:13 |
| Lava_Croft | chances are higher some asshole parks his car in mine | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you're free to flash your N900 while connected battery inputs to 230V | 18:14 |
| * amin007110 is thinking about adding "NO SMOKING" to the channel topic. HeHe :D | 18:15 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 just lighted his morning coffee cigarette | 18:16 | |
| psycho_oreos | "Here lies the beloved N900, fried due to human stupidity." :( lol | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: of course you're right | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | both with flashing and gas station. But lusers are better in following crisp terse black&white instructions | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | best in ALL UPPERCASE | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they tend to ignore and thus learn by their own anyway | 18:20 |
| psycho_oreos | Thankfully its pretty hard to brick N900 :) | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: and there been actually gasheads that tried to check filling of their 5L plastic reserve tank by holing a lighter to it to see how high gasoline inside is | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there also been actuall fires at normal tanking, not caused by smoking but first of all by an ancient fuel nozzle that didn't suck away the gas/vapor coming out of the tank, and then the lady had nylon clothes and first thing she touched after leaving the car and rubbing to the mohair seat been exactly that nozzle surrounded by a huge gas cloud. Then of course in panic she removed the nozzle from her car's tank *without closing it* | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rest is splatter movie | 18:29 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: if you close it, the fire stops almost immediately, right? | 18:30 |
| kerio | there's no oxygen coming in | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right | 18:30 |
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| * psycho_oreos imagines some taliban is probably listening to this ;) | 18:30 | |
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| amin007110 | lol | 18:31 |
| kerio | everything is possible | 18:31 |
| kerio | but combining irssi and speex doesn't sound like a particularly good idea | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errwut? irssi and speex? | 18:32 |
| kerio | to listen to this | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | espeak | 18:32 |
| kerio | oh right | 18:33 |
| kerio | well | 18:33 |
| kerio | you might as well compress it with speex | 18:33 |
| kerio | it's a human-y voice | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but that still earns you spam k-line | 18:33 |
| kerio | aw, i can't send a NUL with xchat apparently | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bitrate of speex is still in the range of 5kbps iirc | 18:34 |
| kerio | or, rather, i can't type a NUL in os x | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bin2hex | 18:35 |
| kerio | *base64 | 18:35 |
| kerio | but no, i wanted to type an actual NUL | 18:35 |
| jaska | ascii85? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, better but still k-line | 18:35 |
| kerio | i wonder how IRC handles them | 18:35 |
| kerio | jaska: irc doesn't have to be ascii printable | 18:35 |
| psycho_oreos | 18:35 | |
| kerio | for instance, ☃ | 18:35 |
| jaska | well, i guess you could just escape nuls and linefeeds | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you *might get away with 7to8 and escaped special bytes | 18:36 |
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| * amin007110 is Erasing CMT. No Smoking Please :D | 18:40 | |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: lit. | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi teotwaki :-) | 18:52 |
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| teotwaki | heya | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my grumpiness suffers when you're around so rarely :-D | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I seem to have turned into a sissi during last year or so | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but might as well be related to this damn council job | 18:54 |
| teotwaki | how so? You changed? | 18:54 |
| * teotwaki didn't notice. | 18:54 | |
| teotwaki | :) | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think I didn't kick anybody the whole year | 18:54 |
| teotwaki | not true | 18:54 |
| teotwaki | The german or polak, Estel_, or whatever country his passport bears. | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I tried a few times, but they already left channel when I was ready ;-P | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohyeah | 18:56 |
| teotwaki | getting rusty :) | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how's life at your end? | 18:56 |
| teotwaki | going well :) | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pleased to hear that | 18:57 |
| * teotwaki iz an architect nao. | 18:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sw architect I hope | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or at least network | 18:57 |
| teotwaki | sw | 18:57 |
| teotwaki | obviously. | 18:57 |
| teotwaki | I draw like shit. | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 18:58 |
| jaska | i want to strangle the architect who drew my work offices <.< | 18:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 needs a second coffee | 18:58 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | another | 19:01 |
| * amin007110 is running away to save his life from being strangled when saw discussion get into architecture (almost building architecture)! | 19:01 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 should learn to talk COBOL or maybe VB | 19:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: so no more coding monkey business? | 19:03 |
| teotwaki | 19:04 | |
| teotwaki | 'and dt.successCounter <> 0 ' . | 19:04 |
| teotwaki | 'and dt.identifier regexp "' . implode('$|', $_queues) . '$";'; | 19:04 |
| teotwaki | $this->temporary["{$name}_average_contact_time"] = _sql_get_array($stats_sql, $query, 'duration'); | 19:04 |
| teotwaki | I'll let you guess? | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 19:05 |
| jaska | if the $_queues comes from a bad source?:) | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is that? perl? java? | 19:06 |
| teotwaki | lol | 19:06 |
| teotwaki | I wish | 19:06 |
| jaska | php i guess | 19:06 |
| teotwaki | PHP. | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, I forgot. Right | 19:06 |
| jaska | looks ugly enough to be perl.. but worse, so its php | 19:06 |
| teotwaki | jaska: can't come from a bad source. | 19:06 |
| teotwaki | also, all the _sql functions clean everything up. | 19:07 |
| jaska | ah, im just in the habit of binding anything i can | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh right, I had a few "issues" in our voting interface that need urgent inspection | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PHP5 line 90: index invalid | 19:08 |
| jaska | never did more than 1 line of php | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: could you look into this? | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is PHP particularly prone to exploits? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i'd guess it is | 19:09 |
| jaska | depends on the coder | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, as usual | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but still e.g. pascal is less prone to buffer overflows that c | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | than* | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I guess PHP is particularly prone to exploits via malformed HTTP GET | 19:10 |
| teotwaki | PHP is shitfuckstupid language | 19:11 |
| teotwaki | no, not at all Doc | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, good | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 19:11 |
| jaska | ahh, they removed register_globals :D | 19:12 |
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| teotwaki | The worst part about PHP is how every nonplussed dumb fuck who hasn't taken the time to learn something else than PHP feels empowered and knowledgeable enough to call PHP the best language in the world and get all sanctimonious and religious about it. | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd tend to accept that as proven | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that drawer of mine is labeled "web programmers" | 19:13 |
| kerio | php is hardly a programming language | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | kerum: well, that is arguable IMO | 19:14 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: ^^^ | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has a biohazard sticker too | 19:14 |
| teotwaki | http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ | 19:14 |
| kerio | php 5.4.0 shipped with 82 FAILING tests in the testsuite | 19:14 |
| teotwaki | probably one of the best analyses of PHP. | 19:15 |
| kerio | teotwaki: http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/ | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only 82? \o/ | 19:15 |
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| kerio | just reading off the current home page for that subreddit... | 19:15 |
| kerio | NULL can't be decremented but it can be incremented | 19:15 |
| kerio | assignment has priority over boolean operators | 19:16 |
| kerio | the Singapore timezone doesn't work | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaa NULL++ = 2 * NULL | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 19:16 |
| teotwaki | My favourite: "foo" == true, and "foo" == 0... however, 0 != true | 19:16 |
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| teotwaki | that shit ain't normal, but in PHP it is. | 19:17 |
| teotwaki | Meth: Not even once. | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o\ \o/ /o/ /o\<CLAPP> \o/ /o\<CLAPP> \o/ /o\<CLAPP> \o/ | 19:18 |
| kerio | infinite loops sometimes segfault | 19:18 |
| jaska | null can be incremented | 19:18 |
| jaska | im rolling on the floor | 19:18 |
| kerio | Datetime::add returns the DateTime object so you can chain adds | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: feels like moving far end of a wormhole thru void space, no? ;-P | 19:19 |
| kerio | but it returns FALSE on failure | 19:19 |
| kerio | and you can't trycatch it because it's a fatal error | 19:20 |
| jaska | with unicorns puking rainbows | 19:20 |
| kerio | +"str" is 0, and so is -"str" | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and you wonder why we're doomed at techstaff? | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whole maemo infra basing 80% on PHP crap | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, on midgard plugins for PHP | 19:22 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://www.decontextualize.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/php-loose-comparisons.png | 19:22 |
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| kerio | at least it's symmetrical | 19:22 |
| kerio | but it's not transitive :( | 19:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 already feels nausea even without looking at random .png | 19:22 | |
| kerio | it's the table for == | 19:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 prefers looking at goatse | 19:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 19:23 |
| kerio | hahahaha, fgetcsv() and fputcsv() were added in the same php version | 19:23 |
| kerio | and they're incompatible with each other | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL | 19:23 |
| kerio | fgetcsv() parses \" as " | 19:25 |
| kerio | fputcsv() uses quote doubling | 19:25 |
| kerio | with no backslashes | 19:25 |
| jaska | pputcsv | 19:25 |
| jaska | ... | 19:25 |
| kerio | string strstr ( string $haystack , mixed $needle [, bool $before_needle = false ] ) | 19:27 |
| kerio | oh come on this has to be intentional | 19:27 |
| kerio | Calling dba_nextkey() on a dbm object before calling dba_firstkey() on it causes a segfault. | 19:33 |
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| * amin007110 believes that two things define you. Your patience when you have nothing, and your attitude when you have everything. :) | 19:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFLBUHAAAAMUHAAAHAAA @ >> @fopen('http://example.com/not-existing-file', 'r');<< in http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ | 19:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this one paragraph alone should be enough to detect php as malware in any spamchecker and antivir program | 19:49 |
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| NIN101 | to be fair, this is configuration dependent (not defending php in general :P). | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: that's exactly what this paragraph is bashing, along with non-defined error behaviour | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's defined: "it doesn't work" | 19:52 |
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| ecc3g | ok. now i'm convinced, php==/facepalm | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | priceless!! >>PHP’s parser refers to e.g. :: internally as T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM<< | 20:16 |
| kerio | i shouldn't've linked /r/lolphp to doc | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAHAgaspHAcough >>0x0+2 produces 4. The parser considers the 2 as both part of the hex literal and a separate decimal literal, treating this as 0x002 + 2. 0x0+0x2 displays the same problem. Strangely, 0x0 +2 is still 4, but 0x0+ 2 is correctly 2. (This is fixed in PHP 5.4. But it’s also re-broken in PHP 5.4, with the new 0b literal prefix: 0b0+1 produces 2.)<< | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now this is real porn for sarcastic old grumpy men who know about their 40 years of reading code | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and about idiots from high school who think they know how to write programming languages | 20:49 |
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| Woody14619 | DocScrutinizer05, Look into what exactly? (from: <DocScrutinizer05> Woody14619: could you look into this? ) | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | index error in line 90 in vote.php | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somewhere in foo/bar/*error*.log | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly maemo_html_error.log | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody probably tried to bruteforce with wrong vote indexes or tsth | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd just like somebody with a clue have a look at it, so we don't run into another vulnerability | 21:00 |
| Woody14619 | Very likely (may have even been me, frankly...) Not a huge issue, but will look at it and put a check in next chance I get. | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 21:01 |
| Woody14619 | Mailing myself so I don't drop it now. ;) | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there been like several 100s of identical error lines / second in logs | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that we wouldn't have same problem of spamming by bogus error lines by that "can't write to object" | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I checked that and considered it nothing worse than an annoyance | 21:02 |
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| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer51: is there any particular JTAG cable you would recommend for best free software compatbility/drivers/support? | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err, nope | 22:46 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, Luke-Jr :) | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RT-AC66U, RT-N66U, RT-AC56U, RT-N56U, RT-N14U, RT-N16 of ASUS vulnerable | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (routers) | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | deactivate AiCloud | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | windows media player cross-site vulnerability: http://privatepaste.com/6b9dc7ef91 | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for gernam language | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | German even | 23:06 |
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| * brolin_empey needs a hexadecimal file editor for Maemo 5 but he cannot install the hexedit package because the package file is not found in the APT repository. | 23:22 | |
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| Lava_Croft | there's something named bless | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: maybe try mc? | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mc is pretty comprehensive | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incl hex-edit I'd guess | 23:35 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: I tried mcedit but I could not find a way to switch to hexadecimal mode. | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err dang, mc has no hexedit??? | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, just doing same | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2003-May/msg00003.html | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in a nutshell: F3, F4, F2 | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | F3 to view file, F4 to hex, F2 to enable editing | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | works on N900 | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: ^^^ | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/17/plasma-desktopCz3743.png | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (all of above in mc, not mcedit) | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to create a new file you probably first need to create *something* you can view with F3, prior to switching to hex (F4) and then edit (F2). directly opeing new file with shift-F2 will obviously fail to offer hexedit mode | 23:53 |
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| Sicelo | what is F4 on N900? ;) | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | esc 4 | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 23:55 |
| Sicelo | by default? or you hafta remap keyboard? | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gets tricky with F11 | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by default | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | F10 == esc 0 | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually by readln() | 23:56 |
| Sicelo | i did see those before somewhere, but they don't appear to work in htop at least | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right, htop doesn't work | 23:58 |
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