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| lexxik | so... now i have my battery charged so the phone is reflashable.. i dont have any important datas in it, but tons of applications and a few "spezial" configs&tweaks (u know.. but nothing important), so now, with the rescueOS, i need to create boot.scr on the MyDocs? If yes, what is its content? All the time before this 'issue' i thought that there is no uBoot related stuff on MyDocs.. :) | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ask pali, or any other uBoot user | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess providing a boot.scr via pastebin is not asking for much | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | another possibility: you flash kernel only - matching to what your rootfs installed kernel modules say is the right one for you (you probably know) - and then install uBoot again | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...from booted maemo, as usual | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this will re-create the boot.scr and the uBoot + attached stock kernel, and anything else needed | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | see flasher --help or wiki page or man page, how to flash kernel-only | 01:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, my uBoot is really ancient, I guess it won't help at all for solving your problem | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I'm not sure if I have uBoot installed at all. Last time I booted the device in question is like 12 months ago | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably not, since I wouldn't need it | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I have no boot.scr | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and I guess yur boot.scr is proprietary to your system config, as set up in bootmenu/* config files | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so probably the kernel-flashing is the better alternative | 01:35 |
| lexxik | thanks... i will try --flash-only=kernel option... however, thanks :) | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 01:38 |
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| BCMM | my n900 is stuck in USB mass storage mode, even though it isn't even connected to a computer | 01:38 |
| BCMM | consequently, it won't turn off. what should i do? | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it won't turn off? | 01:39 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05, "device is being used via usb. disconnect device from the pc and try switching device off again" | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF? | 01:39 |
| BCMM | (i've never seen that before because i've never tried to switch it off while connected to USB) | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never seen or even heard of this | 01:40 |
| BCMM | and it says mass storage mode in the status area and all that | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | simply connect device to PC or charger, then disconnect again | 01:40 |
| BCMM | i plugged it in, put it in mass storage mode, and noticed it wasn't appearing on the PC | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a known minor inconvenience | 01:41 |
| BCMM | then i accidentally dismissed a popup message while confirming it was in usb mass storage mode | 01:41 |
| BCMM | then i unplugged it... | 01:41 |
| BCMM | that fixed it, thanks | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | happens to me rarely even on unplugging fastcharger | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a race condition | 01:43 |
| lexxik | (hehe :)..what about #maemo-techsup or #maemo-help huh? :-) | 01:43 |
| win7mac | indeed | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, if I can ask for entrance fees ;-P | 01:43 |
| win7mac | sell PWs... | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PWs? | 01:44 |
| win7mac | passwords | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jkshsdjkh | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how much? | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sfdjwklrjh | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eqzhwgcrcwn | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take 3, pay 2 | 01:45 |
| lexxik | how much do you want for them? | 01:45 |
| win7mac | by minutes | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lexxik: buy me a lunch | 01:45 |
| lexxik | i will set up the third one as my root passwd, it is rly strong | 01:45 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05, in this case the usb hub is clearly a bit weird anyway | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly | 01:47 |
| BCMM | well, second attempt neither phone nor hub noticed the connection. 3rd attempt, without the hub in the way, went normally | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hubs - particularly unpowered ones - may cause some trouble, since they don't alloow even 500mA charging | 01:48 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05, why should that matter? | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because ENUM will fail in weird ways then, and finally hub may shut down the port | 01:48 |
| lexxik | so ive tried the --flash-only=kernel option, the uBoot didnt load but after Nokia logo is... nothing.. for a while it seemed promising (screen powered) but than my beloved brick shutted down... so the 'total reflash' is the only option now? | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 isn't prepared for a hub that doesn't allow 500mA charging | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lexxik: no, you just flashed the wrong kernel | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot can't load since it got replaced by the kernel you flashed | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the kernel needs to match the kernel modules in /lib/modules/* | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll /lib/modules/ | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | insgesamt 0 | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 7600 2011-03-06 21:52 2.6.28-omap1 | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2009-10-30 12:32 current -> 2.6.28-omap1 | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yours might look pretty different, and the kernel you need to flash depends on that | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if the kernel and modules don't match, the kernel will panic after loading | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not much will happen after that, and nothing will happen before | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually device reboots on a kernel panic | 01:54 |
| win7mac | regarding 500mA charging... Is there a good alternative to stock N9 wall-charger (1A), that provides around 500mA or even less? | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you said "attached kernel" didn't load on uBoot, so you evidently didn't have stock kernel on your root | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh, why would you want 500mA or less? | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no, no usb charger provides less than 500mA, that would be rather insane | 01:57 |
| win7mac | to not stress the battery | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, it doesn't work like that | 01:57 |
| win7mac | not USB, but wallcarger | 01:57 |
| lexxik | so what i need now? the same 'stock' kernel that was in my n900 before uBoot issue? | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, you evidently had something non-stock | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you had powerkernel | 01:59 |
| lexxik | eg. kernel power? | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I almost would bet you had KP | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp | 02:00 |
| infobot | rumour has it, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somewhere in this thread I'd expect a mini-howto flash KP via flasher --flash-only=kernel | 02:00 |
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| lexxik | i will try to find it there, thx again. [hitting thx button] | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you could try KP | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it can't be worse than stock kernel | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for your recovery effort | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and most recent one (kp52) would even work if you had thumbified system | 02:02 |
| lexxik | i will give you some free and strong passwords for that ;) | 02:03 |
| lexxik | dcnjwecvjwcvbujvbwujvbujv | 02:03 |
| lexxik | but keep it secret! | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm not all that sure but seem to recall KPisn't picky with version of its modules, i.e. KP52 might work with KP50 modules | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry we don't buy, just sell. Also no return of used ones | 02:04 |
| win7mac | LOL... | 02:04 |
| win7mac | But anyway, the higher the charging rate (mA), the less charging cycles the battery will take, in theory | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, only in theory, and even then not entirely correct | 02:05 |
| win7mac | not linear | 02:05 |
| win7mac | depending on type | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually LiIon suffers much more from deep discharge than from speed charging | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK did some tests, and it seems the cell is happy with the standard 800mA charge it gets for a short while during initial charging of deep discharged cell | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | increasing that to 950mA though seems to significantly reduce battery life | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | very usual recommendation is 0.7C | 02:08 |
| win7mac | see... | 02:08 |
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| win7mac | http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/12/14/your-battery-gauge-is-lying-to-you-everything-you-need-to-know-about-bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/ | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~0.7*1320 | 02:08 |
| infobot | 924 | 02:08 |
| win7mac | batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries | 02:08 |
| win7mac | now the last one is scientific and worth aread | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I#ve seen *all* that years ago | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~batteryfaq | 02:09 |
| infobot | somebody said batteryfaq was http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers | 02:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | > >Table 2: Cycle life as a function o fdepth of discharg eA partial discharge reduces stress and prolongs battery life.<< | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 300@100%disch vs 1500@50%disch | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the whole artice doesn't even mention charge-current | 02:14 |
| lexxik | the question now.. is where to get kernel-power v52 image compatible with flasher, im right? is it the same .bin format as 'full' firmware images? | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure about that | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess it is | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since basically on device flashing is also done via flasher-3.5(fremantle/ARM-build) | 02:19 |
| win7mac | Commercial chargers do not allow changing the charge voltage limit. Adding this feature would have advantages, especially for laptops as a means to prolong battery life. When running on extended AC mode, the user could select the “long life” mode and the battery would charge to 4.00V/cell for a standby capacity of about 70 percent. Before traveling, the user would apply the “full charge | 02:20 |
| win7mac | mode” to bring the charge to 100%. Some laptop manufacturers may offer this feature but often only computer geeks discover them. | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so basically whatever is used to "install" KP on device should also be fine for flashing via PC | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL, seems this article is rather old | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seversal laptops now offer that feature | 02:21 |
| win7mac | 2010 | 02:21 |
| win7mac | but ok, so you would not recommend going 500mA? | 02:22 |
| lexxik | if i know, or KP installation is used .deb package.. so i will download it and 'dpkg -x' it and see what the package contains... are there any chances that flashable image is included? | 02:23 |
| lexxik | --for | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | win7mac: if you're worried about your battery life, use ShadowJK's charge21.sh tweaked to a lower constant-voltage (sth like 4050 instead 4200) | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lexxik: sure, it will be included | 02:26 |
| win7mac | thanks, will look into that charge21.sh | 02:29 |
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| lexxik | so.. ive found .fiasco image :) i will give it a try :P | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder where from you got KP52.deb | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pali has an annoying habit to hide his tarbal and .deb attachements *somewhere* arbitrary random post number in his threads | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe you're better off with KP50, dunno what you had installed | 02:35 |
| lexxik | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/ | 02:36 |
| lexxik | kernel-power_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb | 02:36 |
| lexxik | im sure it was kp52 :) | 02:36 |
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| lexxik | it worked! :DDDDD | 02:50 |
| lexxik | DocScrutinizer05: lunch is yours... | 02:51 |
| win7mac | sleep is mine... gn o/ | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lexxik: great! | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lexxik: so now just install KP52.zimage and uBoot again, and you're set | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess there must be a KP52-for-uBoot package | 03:07 |
| lexxik | yeah, its named 'kernel-power-bootimg' | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kernel-power-bootimg_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just checked | 03:09 |
| lexxik | if i want uBoot now, i must install that and 'u-boot-update-bootmenu' ...? | 03:09 |
| lexxik | is uBoot still installed i guess | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | contans a zimage-2.6.28.10-power52 | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you nuked uboot by flashing powerjernel | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so first install zimage-2.6.28.10-power52, then install uBoot again | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot installation will pick up zimage-2.6.28.10-power52 | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, actually your zimage-2.6.28.10-power52 might still be there (I guess in /boot/*) | 03:12 |
| lexxik | so firstly the kernel-power-bootimg, than u-boot-flasher and finaly the u-boot-update-bootmenu | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, u-boot-update-bootmenu should pick up the config files for that zimage from bootmenu/* and create a new boot.scr | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you still need to flash uBoot to kernel partition | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so yep, what you said | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, I guess u-boot-flasher will automagically invoke u-boot-update-bootmenu | 03:15 |
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| lexxik | also my nitdroid partition is on its place, and the .item's files are still in /etc/bootmenu.d... so just u-boot-updateblahblah and uBoot will work as before? | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...in PREinstall script | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, you _first_ want to make sure there's a proper boot.scr file, only _then_ flash uBoot to kernel partition in NAND | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is why I guess that installing uBoot the recommended way will auto-invoke u-boot-update-bootmenu _prior_ to flashing uBoot | 03:19 |
| lexxik | is it problem problem? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since _after_ flashing uBoot you're in a limbo state at best, until you get a proper boot.scr | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to be utterly clear on this: when you flash uBoot now without taking care to first create proper boot.scr, then you are *exactly* where you started several hours ago | 03:21 |
| lexxik | ...hm.. i dont understand.. when i will install uboot, it doesn't create it? | 03:22 |
| lexxik | anyway.. what to do now? | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | run u-boot-update-bootmenu | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check that you got a boot.scr where you think it shall be | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, first check if your zimage-2.6.28.10-power52 is inb /boot and the according files in bootmenu.d/* | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then run u-boot-update-bootmenu | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then check boot.scr | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then install uBoot exactly the way it's recommended to get installed | 03:29 |
| lexxik | done. bootmenu.scr is | 03:29 |
| lexxik | located on myDocs | 03:30 |
| lexxik | and zImage of kp52 is also on its place | 03:30 |
| lexxik | so now the u-boot-flasher? | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, the uBoot package | 03:31 |
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| lexxik | u-boot-flasher is already in newest version.. reinstall it? or let i be? | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to reimstall it | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this info about newest version is obsolete incorrect info from before you flashed powerkernel via PC | 03:57 |
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| lexxik | ok.. everything is working... and just for info, the 'attached kernel' is now the power-kernel v52? | 04:02 |
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| Apic | Celebrate Confuflux | 11:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | OT story: never c&p from a mcedit window to anything. I wondered why my udev rule didn't work, until I noticed that's no tab in there but literally "<--->" | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 12:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since I checked "on device" with mc(edit) it was particularly hard to spot | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only the char foreground color gave a clue about the true nature of this "<--->" | 12:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course the cursor movement | 12:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((the 'attached kernel' is now the power-kernel v52?)) hell, no. uBoot comes with stock kernel attached and that doesn't change by any simple means | 12:51 |
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| Lava_Croft | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPNNg6_CcAAAa4H.jpg:large | 12:57 |
| Lava_Croft | gotta love n900 protection measures | 12:57 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: in normal pc uou also normally dont cp text from mcedit, you need press shift to mark text for cp ant from terminal menu not right mouse key use copy. | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: and that's exactly what I did and what "converted" a TAB to "<-->" | 13:31 |
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| Drathir | btw i saw last time something that terminal sometimes loosing a focus, that mean dont react to write in terminal and mark also prompt is empty inside not full, works switch right on/off screen after off screen and on again all back to normal state... | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on target laptop I used mc to check why the project didn't work and the file looked pretty normal in mcedit. Only the color of that "TAB" alias "<-->" was not blueish but white | 13:33 |
| Drathir | yes that hardly to recognise the difference... | 13:34 |
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| Drathir | in terminal on n900 i mostlu using cat for copy or "cat file |less" if a text is longer and i need a part from top... | 13:36 |
| Drathir | mostly* | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but as stated this story been OT. I.E. not related to maemo | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/wh_project/ | 13:38 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: interesting but one bad things for me is language of comments... | 13:41 |
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| japa-fi | Sorry to be repetitive: anyone here have eSpeakcaller installed and operational? (it's supposed to say who is calling. text-to-speech) | 13:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | I have. | 13:49 |
| japa-fi | psycho_oreos, do you have kernel power and does the espeak caller still say the names out? | 13:50 |
| psycho_oreos | japa-fi, kp52 and yes it does. | 13:50 |
| psycho_oreos | It even speaks when you have a missed call. | 13:51 |
| psycho_oreos | Err wait.. *thinks back* it may not.. it only does it for missed calls. I don't quite recall hearing it at other times. | 13:51 |
| japa-fi | I recall it saying the name between the rings or so when the phone rings. At some point it stopped functioning. Thought it was just "software rot", too many things installed and conflicting. Now that I've recently wiped my phone, I decided to install it again. Does not say a word :( | 13:53 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm hate to ask this but you do have espeak stuff installed right? | 13:54 |
| japa-fi | It pulls them as dependanceies | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: sure, it's not meant to go to public domain, but I still decided to keep most comments in english | 13:55 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah that's the norm, I had a weird thought that it may not have included it. I also have espeak GUI installed as well. | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: this is the line: echo 'ALL<--->ALL = NOPASSWD:/usr/local/bin/wh-playsounds.sh' >>/etc/sudoers | 13:56 |
| japa-fi | psycho_oreos, I have eSpeak 1.46.27 + eSpeakCaller 0.8-2 | 13:56 |
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| psycho_oreos | japa-fi, just checked mine and I have the exact same versions. | 13:57 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yes i catch that for private use is most friendly way using own prime language... yea now i see line... | 13:59 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: one time i have a similar situation but with strange dont showing symbol... all should bo ok but dont working, also others ppl copy what im paste and him works becayse when paste to site this hidden symbol dont copied also, i catch them with idea of one ppl to check all text in plain not editor and be there, remove them all works correctly... | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, those non-printing chars are notorious fun | 14:04 |
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| psycho_oreos | japa-fi, this might be old but it might somehow be worth a try: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=586294 | 14:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | Somehow I don't think "software rot" could be replicated time and time again. If anything it would be similar to having bad blocks within the filesystem. Besides, even if bad blocks exist, its not like the kernel would be foolish enough to have others using that bad block. | 14:33 |
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| japa-fi | psycho_oreos, thanks for the hint. Manual execution of espeakcaller provided error in import espeakcaller_contacts. I''l have to check on this more later. | 14:33 |
| psycho_oreos | japa-fi, no problems. Not sure about importing contacts.. | 14:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL, Buerger-CERT rises devcon "very high" for https://www.buerger-cert.de/archive?type=widtechnicalwarning&nr=TW-T13-0047%20UPDATE%201 | 15:31 |
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| japa-fi | psycho_oreos, apt-get install python-osso <-- problem solved, espeakercaller now speaks again :) | 15:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | I guess there's loads of people in .de using dlink devices *snickers*. | 15:37 |
| psycho_oreos | japa-fi, *nods* nice :) | 15:37 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: english pls | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: sorry, I won't set up a webpage for you that I translate. You're free to use google-translate or simply click the links in this buerger-cert website | 15:46 |
| kerio | oh ok, the first link is in english | 15:46 |
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| kerio | meh, doesn't seem like that big of a deal | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: short sory: buerger-cert changed thread-level to "very high" for a warning they sent several days ago, since today they learned it "can get exploited by JavaScript" | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the threat vector probably is: you browse a specially prepared website in your local machine. That website, via JS, roots your D-Link router | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I knew about that threat vector from very beginning | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's obvious | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily I retired my D-615 several months ago, also it seems this particular router is not in the list of vulnerable ones, but I don't care | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err DIR-615 | 15:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders to disable uPnP on his router, no matter if D-Link or not. Actually I think nothing really _needs_ it anyway | 15:53 | |
| kerio | why is upnp enabled? :o | 15:53 |
| kerio | do you not know how to forward ports manually? | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because I "tested" it since 2 weeks | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know how to manage a router | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I enabled uPnP to see if it gets used by _anything_ when enabled | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems it's about time to revert to "disabled" | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since it didn't change anything for SIP | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no surprise in that - I'm sitting behind even TWO routers here | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | annoying: FritzBox doesn't alllow port forward for port5060: "used internally". Fsck SIP-ALG | 16:00 |
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| psycho_oreos | There are Bittorrent clients like qBittorrent which sends out UPnP commands to the gateway (usually its the router) to port forward. | 16:27 |
| psycho_oreos | Then there's DLNA for instance which relies on UPnP for various media related stuff. | 16:29 |
| n900-dk_ | should I run 'apt-get upgrade'? http://pastebin.com/0pk4F0kc | 16:31 |
| psycho_oreos | Depends. | 16:33 |
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| n900-dk_ | on? | 16:35 |
| psycho_oreos | Mainly if you're willing to handle the upgrades. If you have enabled extras-devel and you don't want to risk bricking your device then you might want to disable that repo first. | 16:36 |
| n900-dk_ | how come these updates doesn't show up with apt-get update? | 16:37 |
| psycho_oreos | Update just downloads the list of packages from various repo. | 16:37 |
| n900-dk_ | But they also doesn't show up via HAM | 16:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | I think the ones that shows up on HAM are usually the ones that aren't part of the "core" stuff. | 16:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's exactly the reason why you shouldn't do apt-get upgrade. It upgrades(updates) stuff that's not meant to get updated | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Maemo (particularly HAM/repo) works different than usual debian stuff and apt | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so, as a general rule, never do apt-get upgrade (even less dist-upgrade) | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g there might be a new version of a lib that's not compatible to the old one, but the app that's using this lib has no updated package yet in the repo where the new lib lives | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in HAM you'd see an update for the app when it becomes available, and on updating the app you implicitly update the lib as well. While via apt-get upgrade you update the lib before the matching app becomes even available | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HTH | 17:48 |
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| SAiF | I used to do that.. ;) | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw this is not limited to extras-devel, though the other repos should usually be consistent. Nevertheless apt-get upgrade is generally deprecated | 17:50 |
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| amin007110 | "eventlogger" sometimes count unread messages to negative numbers and remain in this status long time, for example in the desktop widget it shows -2 or -3 unread messages, that in actual situation -3=1. Any workaround for this? | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh | 23:54 |
| win7mac | finally some life here ;-) | 23:55 |
| win7mac | hi | 23:55 |
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