IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2013-07-14

DocScrutinizer05how would I attach gdb to a stale process to find out about why and where it stalled?00:01
DocScrutinizer05I think there's a command "bt" as in BackTrace in gdb?00:01
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DocScrutinizer05ugh, no gdb on that machine00:02
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DocScrutinizer05gdb apache2 2253400:05
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DocScrutinizer05mhm, at least i'd think it hangs in php5:
DocScrutinizer05~lart maintainers for stripping00:12
* infobot changes maintainers's permissions to 0777 and tells the world for stripping00:12
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: the term "fucking shirt" gets a whole new meaning ;-P00:20
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: a pity that the URL gives it aaway00:21
DocScrutinizer05(pc-connectivity-manager) dunno if I said it before, but look at the mess @
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DocScrutinizer05particularly 2011-12-02 22:47  and 2012-12-29 04:2300:31
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Macerwell that sucks00:53
Macerthought i found a wpa_supplicant that would work for adhoc on my tf10100:53
Macerguess not. wifi doesn't even try to turn on lol00:53
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: if you install -dbg packages you'll have a meaningful backtrace01:49
brolin_empeyDoes anyone here have experience using a Nokia N900 as an OBD-II scanner?01:49
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I guess you can detach from the process, install apache2-dbg, php-dbg(or whatever) and libc6-dbg01:50
freemangordonand then attach again01:51
DocScrutinizer05thanks, will try01:51
DocScrutinizer05(sure I can detach :-D )01:51
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: I guess I still need to point gdb to the symbol files?01:52
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no01:52
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freemangordonthey'll be installed in /usr/lib/debug/... and gdb knows that01:53
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: symbols are usually in $PACKAGE-dbg01:56
freemangordonso you'd better dpkg -l | grep apache and append -dbg to that01:57
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* brolin_empey wants to replace a Palm Treo 755P running a VAD VAG application with his Nokia N900 but he does not want to have to sidetrack himself to prepare a cross-build environment to build software for ARM (GNU/)Linux from source.01:57
freemangordonbrolin_empey: there is a piece of SW called PyOBD01:58
freemangordonbyt I don;t know how functional it is01:58
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: try to apt-get install apache2-dbg01:59
freemangordonor apache2.2-bin-dbg01:59
DocScrutinizer05E: Unable to locate package apache2-dbg01:59
DocScrutinizer05E: Unable to locate package apache2.2-bin-dbg02:00
DocScrutinizer05E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'apache2.2-bin-dbg'02:00
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brolin_empeyfreemangordon: Yes, I know of PyOBD but I have not (yet) tried it.02:01
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hmm, maybe you miss some repo02:01
HtheBdid someone see 'robbiethe1st'?02:01
DocScrutinizer05that's a job for our sysops then02:01
DocScrutinizer05~seen robbiethe1st02:02
infobotrobbiethe1st <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 20h 11m 55s ago, saying: 'HtheB, can you give me your address(PM me)? Just want to take a look at what USPS wants to ship'.02:02
HtheBso he hasn't here since 3 days....02:02
HtheBkinda worried02:02
freemangordon"Debug Symbol Packages"02:03
DocScrutinizer05yeah, not my cup of tea02:06
DocScrutinizer05changing repositories for those VM is... tricky02:07
DocScrutinizer05thanks anyway02:07
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: which machine is that?02:08
freemangordonfor the info :)02:09
DocScrutinizer05what's wrong with it?02:10
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: nothing02:11
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I just said "thanks" :)02:11
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DocScrutinizer05ok, 16h maemo, time for some RL02:12
freemangordontime for some sleep if you ask me. night02:12
DocScrutinizer05well not entirely maemo, I also managed to get the events for the additional buttons of my MX Revolution mouse02:13
DocScrutinizer05if only by xinput test-xi2 1302:13
DocScrutinizer05but at least they are *somewhere* on the system already02:14
DocScrutinizer05jr@saturn:~> xinput get-button-map 1302:14
DocScrutinizer051 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 2402:14
DocScrutinizer05jr@saturn:~> xinput list --short 1302:15
DocScrutinizer05Logitech MX Revolution Mouse                    id=13   [slave  pointer  (2)]02:15
DocScrutinizer05now I just need to find out how to assign arbitrary keystrokes to particular mousebuttons02:17
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DocScrutinizer05since it seems apps like khotkeys and kde keymap utilities at large don't know about the input events that are generated by those extra mouse buttons02:18
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amin007110Does setting password using 'passwd' for root to access via ssh, make any problem for 'sudo gainroot' or not?02:29
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psycho_oreosamin007110, not that I'm aware of, using sudo requires user passwd not root passwd.03:09
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amin007110Which rsync switches should i use while backing up n900's /home in ssh? Does 'rsync -rva' enough or what?03:16
amin007110Or better to use scp?03:18
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psycho_oreosrsync is faster but scp is secure. Each usecase has its own benefits and drawbacks.03:37
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brolin_empeypsycho_oreos: rsync can be used over ssh.03:53
Drathirrsync also shold compare a files idk if scp do that too03:54
psycho_oreosbrolin_empey, that doesn't make rsync any faster :P. If needed to make a case, one can also use sshfs so they can then use regular tools such as cp/mv.03:54
Drathiryep rsync is faster compresion on the fly03:55
Drathirdisadventage sshfs is in my opinion only that if wifi conn interrupted need to mount in other location folder... but this is only my opinion...03:56
psycho_oreossshfs ultimately relies on ssh for stream encryption. It just makes the poor little N900 encrypt as each data is to be sent, etc. I have copied data with sshfs before and I have also seen the device randomly rebooting when trying to copy several files over ssh.03:58
* brolin_empey usually uses rsync over ssh.03:59
Drathirme using rsync -r -v --progress -c -l -H --partial -z -i local_location user@ip:remote_location04:00
Drathirbut dont know if its correct or not :p04:01
Drathirthat if you want to try use with carefull...04:01
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Drathiris avaible grsync if good remember but for me dont work correctly... if good remember dont asking me for ssh password...04:04
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DocScrutinizer05((sudo requires user passwd not root passwd)) unless you fix that nonsense:11:54
infobotfrom memory, jrtools is
DocScrutinizer05((Which rsync switches should i use))11:55
infobotsomebody said jrtools was
DocScrutinizer05and good (UGT) morning11:57
amin007110good morning11:59
Lava_Croftalso still handy for rsync and n90011:59
amin007110well, still i have problem with find -printf options.11:59
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amin007110i think i should use | xargs .... but don't know how exactly.12:00
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Maceri give up with this pan config12:12
Macerit's impossible heh12:12
Macermaybe someone can make an easier way to do it because for the life of me i can't seem to figure it out12:12
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M4rtinK2whats the current status of the autobuilder ?13:17
anthonieM4rtinK2, sixwheeledbeast is working on that, but afaik it's not "auto" but "mano"...13:19
M4rtinK2well, the packages seem to build fine13:20
M4rtinK2but it doesn't look like they are imported to the repository13:20
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anthonieNo, hence  the word "mano"...13:21
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DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK2: repo-management is fsckedup14:15
DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK2: ping merlin1991 who is importing packages to repo manually14:15
DocScrutinizer05also, to all developers: PLEASE check your<packagename> if there are recent multiple ""Old version cleaned by repository management"", and if so, IMMEDIATELY HOLLER here, best by highlighting sixwheeledbeat or me14:19
DocScrutinizer05DO NOT upload multiple times same version number of your package, when it doesn't build instantly (it may take a while), or if it already built without problems14:20
DocScrutinizer05generally autobuilder is NOT meant to do development there! you're NOT supposed to upload multiple versions per day!14:22
DocScrutinizer05to develop and test your app, you use SCRATCHBOX on your local PC14:22
DocScrutinizer05We might implement an auto-lock to your account when you uppload multiple times on same day14:23
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DocScrutinizer05please be aware that each upload that successfully builds (if it were promoted to extras-devel automatically) causes a new version of packages.gz that has to get build across *all* packages in repo, and will cause *all* devices to download the new packages.gz to check if there are updates available14:27
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DocScrutinizer05so, don't consider two new versions of your package per day to be a particularly appreciated thing to do14:28
DocScrutinizer05it's also embarrassing for you as a developer - it makes you look foolish and not having a plan about where to head to with your package14:29
M4rtinK2well, that looks kinda extreme14:31
M4rtinK2IIRC, N900 don't check for updates that often14:32
DocScrutinizer05that's not the point14:32
DocScrutinizer05and N900 HAM checks for updates just so often14:32
M4rtinK2also, Devel is imho expected to change often, but yeah, most people have it enabled due to the QA not really working that well14:32
DocScrutinizer05default once every 24h14:32
DocScrutinizer05and on every time you open it14:33
DocScrutinizer05but - as mentioned - that's ot the point14:33
M4rtinK2then at least for the N900s it should not be an issue14:33
M4rtinK2even if someone uploaded a package every 10 minutes, or once in 24 hourse, it should "look" the same for the N90014:34
DocScrutinizer05not an issue to download a new 15MB packages.gz multiple times a day, because some fool confused autobuilder with his personal development IDE?14:34
M4rtinK2if I understand it correctly14:34
M4rtinK2shouldn't happen if it really checks only every 24 hours14:35
M4rtinK2if it autoupdates every time it is opened, that would be an issue14:36
DocScrutinizer05HAM checks for date/version of packages.gz every time you start it (actually even after every action you did in HAM)14:36
M4rtinK2but still, how often does one open HAM ?14:36
M4rtinK2oh, after every action, that's quite bad14:36
DocScrutinizer05honestly, you're goinfg to argue with me about that?14:36
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M4rtinK2I just think this should be solvable server side14:37
DocScrutinizer05autobuilder is a means to propagate new *tested* working apckage version to repo, *nothing* else14:37
DocScrutinizer05and yes, I'm going to solve this server side: multiple uploads to same package per day -> account locked14:38
M4rtinK2I don't have issues with that & nothing what can go wrong with my packages as they are basically just compressed14:38
M4rtinK2well, that what I think is too extreme14:38
M4rtinK2what about: no upload in 4 hours - upload package db at once14:39
Lava_Croftjust dont allow it to happen and tell the user why14:39
DocScrutinizer05I think uploading 3 versions of a package per day is too extreme14:39
Lava_Crofttell them to try again in 24h and to read the manual orso14:39
M4rtinK2package uploaded in last 4 hours - queue an update in 4 hours14:39
M4rtinK2so basically, if there are multiple versions in a given timeslot, the db would be updated for the whole batch14:40
M4rtinK2but sure, could be problematic due to the mess autobuilder is14:40
DocScrutinizer05more and more "developers" ask for upload rights to autobuilder/repo without even having a garage project to upload. And it seems they all think the standard way is to check your edits in sourcecode on autobuilder14:40
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M4rtinK2even if they are "developers" i think it is good that people are still interested in Fremantle14:41
M4rtinK2well, everyone started as a "developer"14:42
DocScrutinizer05sure, but we at techstaff can't handle that14:42
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DocScrutinizer05it's meant to get used in a different way than that14:43
M4rtinK2well, if the autobuilder indeed needs manual attention, high usage could be a problem14:43
M4rtinK2well, the problem is that everyone has devel enabled14:43
DocScrutinizer05actually the fact that it doesn't promote to repo automatically is a bless currently14:43
M4rtinK2well, I have users waiting for an update, so its kinda of an issue for me presently :)14:44
DocScrutinizer05no, the problem is that "devels" think it's leete to upload 5 new versions per day14:44
M4rtinK2so what about just setting a cronjob twice a day ?14:44
DocScrutinizer05see my plea above14:44
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DocScrutinizer05multiple uploads while previos version got not processed seem to fsckup repo-management14:45
M4rtinK2well, that sure is an issue14:45
M4rtinK2and I guess not easy to fix due the usual not-documented-at-all state of the infra14:46
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DocScrutinizer05edit, upload to autobuilder, bitch about compile takes >30min, read error logs, edit [...]  --- NOT the way to use this infra14:47
M4rtinK2well, that indeed is bad14:47
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M4rtinK2the >30min compile time especially14:47
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M4rtinK2unless trying to debug a autobuilder specific build issue14:48
DocScrutinizer05add to that brainless messing with version numbers14:48
M4rtinK2but those should be rare14:48
DocScrutinizer05yes, this is a procedure ONLY allowable to make your perfectly locally compilable package match any weirdness in autobuilder14:49
DocScrutinizer05I ponder to add a requirement to add scratchbox compiler log with timestamp and signature to the package, otherwise it gets rejected14:50
DocScrutinizer05will teach "developers" how the SOP looks like14:51
DocScrutinizer05::: edit, compile LOCALLY, read LOCAL error logs. <compile succeeded?> no: goto start.  ONLY THEN upload to autobuilder14:52
M4rtinK2well, development & packaging for the N900 is already hard as is, so adding additional barriers like this is IMHO not really a good idea...14:52
M4rtinK2another issue might be that they might not know about this ?14:53
DocScrutinizer05and I'm pushing to not grant autobuilder/repo upload permissions to users that don't have their project in garage14:54
M4rtinK2hmm, check number 1 here:
M4rtinK2it explicitly tells users to upload until it works14:54
M4rtinK2could be part of the confusion14:55
M4rtinK2adding a "build locally first, don't needlessly strain the infrastructure until you package works" here & to the main autobuilder Web UI might help14:56
DocScrutinizer05yes, it probably been addressed to experienced devels that would feel ashamed to upload stuff to autobuilder and have their error logs exposed to general public, when they didn't check the whole package locally before14:57
DocScrutinizer05and yes, such a remark on that page might help. also helping might be to add fremantle there14:58
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DocScrutinizer05as you can tell by careful reading, this page is terribly out of date14:58
DocScrutinizer05it origins from a time where every devel dropped by in this very channel and talked to peers to learn how to do things right14:59
DocScrutinizer05(pre N900 times)15:00
DocScrutinizer05anyway, autobuilder/repo-management is fubar atm. So please help to keep it alive during the times we're searching for somebody capable to fix it!15:04
M4rtinK2sure, but I'm not really that experienced with admining stuff15:06
M4rtinK2but I can at least donate & help with testing15:06
M4rtinK2and develop apps so people keep using their N900s :)15:06
DocScrutinizer05I posted 3 *simple* rules above for every devel to notice15:07
DocScrutinizer051) don not upload multiple times a day  2) do take good care about your version numbers, or your package will get messed up by repo-management  3) check your<packagename> if there are recent multiple ""Old version cleaned by repository management""15:08
DocScrutinizer05( 1. point is actually not that strict, if you wait for error logs of your failed build before you upload next version)15:09
M4rtinK2so add them at the top of the autobuilder Web UI or somewhere where they will be actually seen ?15:10
DocScrutinizer05(however do NOT upload multiple compiling versions, possibly even with same version number. EVER!)15:10
M4rtinK2btw, regarding packages/view/*15:11
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M4rtinK2 doesn't seem to load ever15:11
DocScrutinizer05then it already exceeded point of no return with that cruft15:11
DocScrutinizer05makes apache2/php5/midgard process OOM abort15:12
M4rtinK2well, that's indeed a horrendous input validation oversight for the original autobuilder authors15:12
DocScrutinizer05err, well, yes15:12
M4rtinK2I kinda wonder if setting up an OBS instance with Fremantle SDK target would be easier than fixing this mess15:13
DocScrutinizer05maybe, but how to integrate that with existing stuff?15:13
psycho_oreosI wonder if there has been any work done on allowing one to choose between N900 as a host or N900 as a guest via USB networking:
M4rtinK2DocScrutinizer05: it could run in parallel with autobuilder first (if there are enough resources)15:14
DocScrutinizer05see which not *yet* tripped the line between OMG and OOM15:14
keriopsycho_oreos: what do you mean?15:14
keriohost for what?15:14
M4rtinK2everyone would build in their own repo and only push to a shared one once the package builds correctly15:15
M4rtinK2the shared repo could then be synced by a cronjob to Devel15:15
kerioMacer: :(15:15
keriowhat's not working?15:15
M4rtinK2just a quick uninformed idea how it might work :)15:15
psycho_oreoskerio, bit complicated. I meant like USB networking "host" is where N900 becomes a router and I use N900's connection [wlan/3G]. Though I also want to switch between that mode and making N900 as a "guest" where it connects through to PC and uses PC's network instead.15:16
keriopsycho_oreos: libicd-network-usb to be a "guest"15:16
kerioand mobilehotspot to be a host15:16
keriothere are your UIs15:16
psycho_oreoskerio, eww mobilehotspot. I prefer wired networking though, besides I really don't like to use mobile hotspot in public places.15:17
keriomobilehotspot supports sharing a connection via usb15:17
psycho_oreosCan it also be strictly for USB though? i.e. choose USB as the option and it does not turn wl1251 as ad-hoc device?15:18
kerioi think so?15:18
kerioidk, go ahead and check15:19
kerioiirc you can't do both at the same time, actually15:19
psycho_oreosHmm I'll go have a poke at it, thanks :)15:19
kerioor just make yourself some script15:19
psycho_oreosYeah that would be ideal, sometimes if I want to use N900's onboard wifi as network dongle then its nifty (in a sense).15:20
DocScrutinizer05[Sun Jul 14 10:50:12 2013] [error] [client] PHP Fatal error:  Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on line 501, referer:
M4rtinK2wow, that looks quite weird15:21
psycho_oreos*nods* was in the process of writing up a BASH script but I hit a snag. I asked in #bash and one of them suggested that I might want to try asking here for an abstraction tool.15:21
M4rtinK230 seconds ? why ?15:22
psycho_oreosProbably it acts like a watchdog so to speak, looking for hung commands/process15:23
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psycho_oreosi.e. you don't want a nasty script to go around in indefinite loop without exitting, it may cause the daemon to crash.15:24
M4rtinK2well, sure, but what takes 30 seconds on a package page to render15:25
M4rtinK2that's the issue15:25
psycho_oreosWhatever is on line 501 in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php I suppose :)15:25
DocScrutinizer05referer:   referer:   referer:    referer:     referer:
M4rtinK2a referer loop ?15:27
M4rtinK2or something like that15:28
DocScrutinizer05in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/net/nemein/wiki/wikipage.php on line 818   idcom/core/privilege.php on line 45915:28
DocScrutinizer05no, our db simply cluttered with shit like in
DocScrutinizer05we also seen OOM aborts, where apache2/php/midcom simply allocated more than the granted ~400MB, for a single page15:30
M4rtinK2well at least the package name is quite fitting15:30
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psycho_oreosToo much info in changelog I suppose?15:31
DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-13 23:29:28] <DocScrutinizer05> (pc-connectivity-manager) dunno if I said it before, but look at the mess @
DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-13 23:31:50] <DocScrutinizer05> particularly 2011-12-02 22:47  and 2012-12-29 04:2315:31
DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-10 00:12:12] <sixwheeledbeast> dead15:32
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DocScrutinizer05[Sun Jul 14 12:33:08 2013] [error] [client] PHP Fatal error:  Allowed memory size of 367001600 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 93 bytes) in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/querybuilder.php on line 32615:33
psycho_oreosWhoa, looks like there needs to be some sort of truncating.15:33
DocScrutinizer05^^^^ that's been me, trying to surf to ^^^ URL15:33
kerioDocScrutinizer05: 367mb for a single webpage?15:35
DocScrutinizer05so maybe you now understand why I say "in a week or so I *have* to take down all that mess since it runs into errors caused by errors caused by errors. Reaching criticality"15:35
DocScrutinizer05repo management cluttering db, thus making apache abort OOM, thus no more midgard admin interface to that package to even delete it or do whatever to it, to fix the mess15:36
DocScrutinizer05we're rapidly going over the cliff15:37
M4rtinK2stuff like this is a nightmare15:37
M4rtinK2fixing a running production system15:37
psycho_oreos+ facing people who ask is the site down, etc.15:38
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M4rtinK2well ,you can just tell them "X is broken"15:38
DocScrutinizer05basically libqtm-experimental/ is zombie state and non-recoverable15:38
DocScrutinizer05other packages as well15:38
DocScrutinizer05others following soon15:38
psycho_oreosYeah you can tell them its broken but you have to say that for everyone that comes in and asks the same question.15:39
psycho_oreoszombie state? :x15:39
DocScrutinizer05well, I can't do anything to that package to fix it (except on very low sql level maybe)15:39
DocScrutinizer05or by increasing apache memlinit to 2GB15:40
DocScrutinizer05so I at least could reach the midgard admin menu on that webpage to delete or edit the package15:40
M4rtinK2if you have the source package, could you just purge the original an resubmit it ?15:40
DocScrutinizer05I *cannot*15:41
DocScrutinizer05yeah "oh" :-O15:41
DocScrutinizer05panic mode getting popular15:41
M4rtinK2so i guess that leaves only the SQL stuff (purging the records that cause this)15:41
M4rtinK2but I do remeber some insane queries Midgard does15:42
M4rtinK2that you've posted during the migration15:42
DocScrutinizer05that's however prone to a global midgard db messup, since that are ~50 tables that all need to be consistent15:42
M4rtinK2so that would probably also be quite complicated15:42
psycho_oreosSounds like in either way its one massive brain******.15:43
M4rtinK2well, at least make db backups, if possible :)15:43
DocScrutinizer05needs thorough understanding how midgard works, to do the right thing to the right tables (plural!)15:43
DocScrutinizer05we have db backups, luckily15:43
DocScrutinizer05but that might mean we have to rollback to ~april15:44
DocScrutinizer05and that still leaves repo in a messed up state15:44
DocScrutinizer05at least all packages since april would be orphaned then15:45
M4rtinK2how big is the db ?15:45
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M4rtinK2& does it support making snapshots while running ?15:45
DocScrutinizer05a humble 50GB15:46
DocScrutinizer05not really15:46
M4rtinK2well, that's indeed an issue15:46
DocScrutinizer05well, it's mysql and our sysops have installed some means to do proper dumps for backup15:46
M4rtinK2having say daily incremental backups would be a good safety net15:46
DocScrutinizer05we have those15:47
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DocScrutinizer05every time blade-a load goes up significantly it's probably backupPC doing backups of the VMs15:47
DocScrutinizer05incl db VM15:48
DocScrutinizer05happens once / day, ~00:00 CET15:48
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M4rtinK2that's indeed good to have15:48
DocScrutinizer05yeah, but we don't keep those backups forever15:49
M4rtinK2in case it gets completely borked for some reason15:49
M4rtinK2is it full or incremental ?15:49
DocScrutinizer05I asked for keeping 4 weeks worth of incremental backups, plus one incremetal backup per month against original state15:50
DocScrutinizer05dunno if warfare implemented it15:50
DocScrutinizer05every Sunday we do a full backup, during week is incremental15:50
DocScrutinizer05we keep 8 weeks of sunday backups iirc15:51
M4rtinK2well, that should hopefully have the worst case covered for the time being15:51
M4rtinK2nothing much more that can be done when fixing a live production system15:52
M4rtinK2well, actually a cluster, making things even worse15:52
M4rtinK2anyway, good job taking things this far already! :)15:53
M4rtinK2considerin Maemo being such an undocumented & complicated beast15:53
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DocScrutinizer05seen anthonie16:00
DocScrutinizer05~seen anthonie16:00
infobotanthonie <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 39m 2s ago, saying: 'No, hence  the word "mano"... '.16:00
DocScrutinizer05~seen anthonie_16:01
infobotanthonie_ <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 19h 44m 56s ago, saying: 'yes, I think that's pretty well possible'.16:01
psycho_oreoskerio, thanks, just checked Qt Mobile Hotspot and the latest under extras-devel does have an option to choose either USB or WLAN.16:03
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M4rtinK2sure, uptime is important :)16:39
M4rtinK2that reminds me - what distro is Maemo actually running on ?16:39
M4rtinK2well, the VMs16:39
M4rtinK2Debian I guess ?16:40
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Drathirvw 2717:23
Drathirfail sorry17:23
psycho_oreosMaemo uses Debian package management, it does not necessarily mean that it is running on Debian :)17:28
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M4rtinK2psycho_oreos: of course, but I mean the infrastructure17:36
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DocScrutinizer05alas ubuntu18:16
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DocScrutinizer05 /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini s/max_execution_time = 30/max_execution_time = 99/18:34
* DocScrutinizer05 frowns at php5 causing apache2 processes to stall rather than quit when max_execution_time expires18:36
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DocScrutinizer05  PID USER      PRI  NI  VIRT   RES   SHR S CPU% MEM%   TIME+  Command19:03
DocScrutinizer0519959 www-data   20   0 1454M 1195M 20412 S 17.0 20.2  3:16.90 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start19:03
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DocScrutinizer0516:07:30 write(19, "\303\0\0\0\3UPDATE repligard SET changed=NULL,action='update',typename='midgard_parameter', object_action=4  WHERE guid='0bab5c186a3111dd961d834f021af853f853' AND realm='record_extension'  AND sitegroup = 1", 199) = 19919:11
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DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK2: loads now20:06
DocScrutinizer05there are still pages that fail to load though, even with 99s timeout20:07
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amin007110Where is the storage location of 'contacts data'? Like rtcom-eventlogger for messaging.20:10
DocScrutinizer05somebody (I think merlin1991) already tracked down the reason why ""Old version cleaned by repository management"" fails and thus gets rescheduled20:11
DocScrutinizer05amin007110: I'd say .osso-abook20:12
amin007110in /opt ?20:13
DocScrutinizer05in ~user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db20:14
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amin007110just to know20:14
amin007110sqlite3 ?20:15
DocScrutinizer05nah, berkley iirc20:15
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amin007110DocScrutinizer05, you know when in settings>accounts we touch an account to modify, it becomes highlighted. Well, a few years ago, when i touched a jabber account, battery becomes empty and device turned off. 2013-07-14T20:49:44  *** florian has joined #maemo20:33
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DocScrutinizer05for me the highlighting is just fraction of a second, until that account opens in detail view20:50
DocScrutinizer05I gather you got a garbled account file/whatever that is making this accounts list blow chunks20:51
DocScrutinizer05anyway (IM/VoIP)accounts there are not related to addressbook20:52
amin007110i know20:52
amin007110These are separate questiobns20:53
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amin007110Well, How can I find this account file/whatever ?20:53
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DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure. Start at ~user/.rtcom-accounts20:54
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DocScrutinizer05gconftool -R /|less   /<some significant searchstring>20:55
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DocScrutinizer05accounts.cfg in there has a good part of stuff related to those accounts. Don't ask me though where the passwords are stored20:56
amin007110already saw account.cfg. Nothing related to highlighting rows.20:57
DocScrutinizer05there's *nothing* anywhere related to highlighting20:58
DocScrutinizer05that's a symptom of a bug20:58
DocScrutinizer05probably in accounts.cfg20:58
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DocScrutinizer05or in (not) attached avatar image20:59
DocScrutinizer05some syntax error or inconsistency or illegal char20:59
HtheBanyone here from the us who want to help me a bit?20:59
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amin007110opened in vi. just 13 lines. General settings. like auto online, enabled, protocol, bla bla bla21:00
DocScrutinizer05amin007110: I didn't assume there's a "highlight=permanent" in there21:00
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DocScrutinizer05amin007110: maybe an important line is missing. I dunno21:02
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DocScrutinizer05amin007110: AIUI you can create new accounts? then create a second account exactly like the messed up one, and compare their entries one by one21:05
amin007110I think it's not related to any account, it's related to the row number the account stand on.21:07
amin007110Imagine i have 12 accounts21:07
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amin007110and the 7th one is highlighted21:07
amin007110when i delete the 7th, the previous 8the one take its place.21:08
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DocScrutinizer05mhm, now that's extremely weird21:12
DocScrutinizer05I'd honestly suggest to reflash21:13
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amin007110well, then if restore accounts backup, we will the row there again :D21:14
amin007110if I restore *21:14
amin007110we will see *21:14
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amin007110It`s super mega giga hyper super DIFFICULTLY to understand, but i don't know is it super difficulty made or I am hyper idi0t!!!21:17
DocScrutinizer05might even be a hardware defect, in digitizer21:18
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amin007110digitaizer has been changed 2 times during these years21:18
DocScrutinizer05then it shouldn't show up in a fresh reflashed device21:18
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DocScrutinizer05not even when you create 12 accounts21:19
amin007110in a fresh yes21:19
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amin007110the problem is backup!21:19
amin007110restoring backup in fact21:19
DocScrutinizer05and when it returns on restoring from osso-backup, then it's clearly related to what's in there21:19
DocScrutinizer05and in backup the content is pretty much plaintext21:20
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DocScrutinizer05once you untargz'ed it21:20
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amin007110and search for what ?21:20
DocScrutinizer05mc is awesome to browse a backup and view the content of every single file in that tarballs in tarballs21:20
DocScrutinizer05search for stuff that seems related to accounts21:21
DocScrutinizer05like I already said, it might be an illegal char somewhere, or a garbled syntactical structure, or whatever21:22
DocScrutinizer05I still don't get it how it could jump from one account to next, on deletion or insertion of an account21:23
DocScrutinizer05and then as well survive reboots21:23
DocScrutinizer05you say it's on 7th account? so what happens when you delete all accounts but 621:23
DocScrutinizer05where is the highlight then?21:24
amin007110empty area become highlighted21:24
DocScrutinizer05maybe it's a bug that existed since beginning of times, and just nobody ever noticed it since... 7 accounts, duh!21:25
DocScrutinizer05and you say you have only 13 lines in your accounts.cfg? how's that possible?21:25
amin007110whou you mind to see ?21:26
DocScrutinizer05I mean I have only 2 or 3 accounts and some 100 lines in there21:26
amin007110lol, I told you once a time, I, myself, am a bug :D21:27
DocScrutinizer05# wc accounts.cfg21:27
DocScrutinizer05  78   71 1732 accounts.cfg21:27
DocScrutinizer05nah, you're just dreaming that, I'm sure. Did you notice you were a bug when you awoke one morning?21:28
amin007110Nokia-N900:/home/user/.rtcom-accounts# wc accounts.cfg21:28
amin007110       13        14       239 accounts.cfg21:28
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Lava_Croftand one of his worst stories at that!21:30
amin007110but im not gregor samsa :D21:31
Lava_Croftyou are no travelling salesman?21:31
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amin007110Of course the answer depends on what you mean by reasonable.21:33
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DocScrutinizer05ok, 239 is a virgin accounts.cfg21:48
DocScrutinizer05for any jabber or sip account there should be sth in this file21:48
DocScrutinizer05btw in backup you find it in
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DocScrutinizer05you might want to cp -a /tmp /tmp-backup; rm -rf /tmp/*21:52
amin007110Well, I guess when i disable an account in settings, Maemo removes its related configs from the file.21:53
DocScrutinizer05though tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,noatime,size=1024k)21:53
DocScrutinizer05amin007110: so what? you say you have 13 accounts?21:54
amin007110Or maybe i am wrong, Now comparing some differenct backups21:54
amin007110Well, found one with 10528 lines ! hehe :D21:56
DocScrutinizer05sounds more like it21:56
DocScrutinizer05still I don't get it how you can have 12 accounts showing in GUI when your accounts.cfg is virgin21:57
DocScrutinizer05I'd thik an account not configured in accounts.cfg can't show up in GUI whatsoever21:58
DocScrutinizer05think even21:58
amin007110i found that 7th account21:59
amin007110and there is not any noticeable difference with others21:59
DocScrutinizer05you're sure you didn't do leete personalization with new unix user accounts, or switching user to root, or changing fs on /home or whatever?21:59
DocScrutinizer05sorry, no clue22:01
DocScrutinizer05sth seems to be severely mystical on your system22:01
DocScrutinizer05accounts that show up in settings/accounts should as well show up in ~user * * accounts.cfg22:02
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amin007110well, i found them in previous 2011 made backups22:03
amin007110but not in current file and half of them in 201222:04
DocScrutinizer05you say your file has 239 chars like the one in my backup labeled "virgin", yet you claim to see 12 accounts in GUI, and 7th of them is highlighted permanenly22:04
lexxikhello guys, right now im trying to reflash my phone (because of no uboot menu - just options like uboot console) but uboot is faster > flashing didn't start. Some ideas how to solve that? (by the way 'attached kernel' option is not working, srsly dont know why).. the problem with uboot is probably coused by 'formated' MyDocs partition, uboot is trying to find there file named boot.scr or bootmenu.scr... but how i said my MyDocs is clean aft22:04
amin007110although i had all of them22:04
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DocScrutinizer05lexxik: charge your battery, follow instructions in :22:05
infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is
DocScrutinizer05lexxik: attached kernel not working probably caused by you having PK kernel modules installed22:07
amin007110DocScrutinizer05, is it possible that fsck restores a virgin accounts.cfg instead of the original?22:08
DocScrutinizer05anyway uboot isn't "faster", it's just the next think after NOLO when NOLO refuses to flash22:08
DocScrutinizer05amin007110: hardly22:08
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DocScrutinizer05unless the original got garbled on fs level and fschk deleted or moved it to lost&found22:09
DocScrutinizer05then the GUI would create a virgin new file I guess22:09
DocScrutinizer05since that's obviouslym SOP on maemo: when a config file is missing, the process trying to open it creates it anew22:10
DocScrutinizer05but then that should result in all your accounts vanishing22:11
amin007110there is no accounts.cfg in lost+found at the moment.22:11
DocScrutinizer05unless that particular GUI looks at some friggin telepathy crap config files as well22:11
DocScrutinizer05in lost&found it wouldn't be called anything resembling original name22:12
DocScrutinizer05any files rescued to lost&found are called file0000 .. file9999 iirc22:12
amin007110inode name22:13
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amin007110but if it was a directory, files in it represent real names22:13
DocScrutinizer05and there's for sure an option to fsck to rather delete/purge those orphaned "files" rather than moving stuff to lost&found22:13
lexxikis 'green light' battery status indication important when flashing?22:14
DocScrutinizer05err yes22:14
DocScrutinizer05battery check: switch off device, press&hold "U" key, attach NOKIA wallcharger aka fastcharger, watch screen22:15
DocScrutinizer05it should show NOKIA and USB symbol upper right22:15
DocScrutinizer05if it doesn't stay there until you remove charger, then your battery is (too) empty22:16
DocScrutinizer05rationale: when NOLO decides battery is too low, it tries to skip flashing requests and to boot into system to start charging - however sensible that might be22:18
DocScrutinizer05so when that happens, for you next thing you see is uBoot22:18
DocScrutinizer05alas afaik uBoot can't charge battery22:18
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DocScrutinizer05so if that's your problem, then an external charger or rescueOS are your options to recover22:19
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lexxikthe problem: when i plugg in the wallcharger, the diod is orange and after a while, uBoot starts. Does it mean i need to charge the battery in another phone? (eg. my 5800XM?)22:21
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DocScrutinizer05your battery is completely depleted22:22
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover22:23
DocScrutinizer05^^^ only applies to non-fubared rootfs devices22:23
DocScrutinizer05anyway steady amber means the device can't boot up at all, not even to NOLO, due to battery way too low22:25
DocScrutinizer05steady amber is emergency charging until NOLO can boot22:25
DocScrutinizer05you can't charge battery to a level where NOLO would allow flashing, by emergency charging22:25
lexxikso what to do now: charge battery in my historical 5800XM, put it in N900 and? flash? or is there option how to save my half-bricked phone?22:27
DocScrutinizer05you can boot to rescueOS and restore the uboot.scr (or whatever) file22:27
DocScrutinizer05or you reflash22:28
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DocScrutinizer05anyway you should first charge the battery in your ancient phone, if that works22:29
lexxikby the way, when the battery is out of the phone and the charger is plugged in, the uBoot is still running. Interesting..22:29
DocScrutinizer05hmm, that's indeed interesting22:29
DocScrutinizer05ooh, you mean when you remove battery while uBoot is displayed? that's normal22:30
infobothmm... hotswap is
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DocScrutinizer05NOLO checks for battery presence. uBoot doesn't22:30
lexxikcool.. yet another thing i didnt know about n900 :)22:34
DocScrutinizer05hah, when you wanna hear about things yiu didn't know yet of N900, you're talking to the right one ;-P22:35
DocScrutinizer05I think i created a few more info bits scattered oall over the place than just and ~jrtools22:36
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo flatbatrecover22:37
infobotflatbatrecover -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon Jul 26 02:02:58 2010 (1084 days); last modified at Wed Mar 27 16:02:38 2013 by kerio!~kerio@Maemo/community/contributor/kerio; it has been requested 63 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 14m 20s ago.22:37
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DocScrutinizer05however the question is if you *really* wanna know about all that ;-)22:38
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is
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DocScrutinizer05might be interesting22:43
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DocScrutinizer05as well as some of the other stuff in this junkjard22:43
DocScrutinizer05err oops22:44
DocScrutinizer05sorry I meant
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