| DocScrutinizer05 | how would I attach gdb to a stale process to find out about why and where it stalled? | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think there's a command "bt" as in BackTrace in gdb? | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, no gdb on that machine | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | gdb apache2 22534 | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bt | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, at least i'd think it hangs in php5: http://privatepaste.com/7a88cb4fb1 | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart maintainers for stripping | 00:12 |
| * infobot changes maintainers's permissions to 0777 and tells the world for stripping | 00:12 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: the term "fucking shirt" gets a whole new meaning ;-P | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: a pity that the URL gives it aaway | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (pc-connectivity-manager) dunno if I said it before, but look at the mess @ http://maemo.org/packages/view/pc-connectivity-manager/ | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly 2011-12-02 22:47 and 2012-12-29 04:23 | 00:31 |
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| Macer | well that sucks | 00:53 |
| Macer | thought i found a wpa_supplicant that would work for adhoc on my tf101 | 00:53 |
| Macer | guess not. wifi doesn't even try to turn on lol | 00:53 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: if you install -dbg packages you'll have a meaningful backtrace | 01:49 |
| brolin_empey | Does anyone here have experience using a Nokia N900 as an OBD-II scanner? | 01:49 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I guess you can detach from the process, install apache2-dbg, php-dbg(or whatever) and libc6-dbg | 01:50 |
| freemangordon | and then attach again | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks, will try | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (sure I can detach :-D ) | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: I guess I still need to point gdb to the symbol files? | 01:52 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 01:52 |
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| freemangordon | they'll be installed in /usr/lib/debug/... and gdb knows that | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MEH! http://privatepaste.com/0377015011 | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm http://privatepaste.com/70b7715c7e | 01:56 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: symbols are usually in $PACKAGE-dbg | 01:56 |
| freemangordon | so you'd better dpkg -l | grep apache and append -dbg to that | 01:57 |
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| * brolin_empey wants to replace a Palm Treo 755P running a VAD VAG application with his Nokia N900 but he does not want to have to sidetrack himself to prepare a cross-build environment to build software for ARM (GNU/)Linux from source. | 01:57 | |
| freemangordon | brolin_empey: there is a piece of SW called PyOBD | 01:58 |
| freemangordon | byt I don;t know how functional it is | 01:58 |
| freemangordon | *but | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/a945d63ee1 | 01:59 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: try to apt-get install apache2-dbg | 01:59 |
| freemangordon | or apache2.2-bin-dbg | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | E: Unable to locate package apache2-dbg | 01:59 |
| freemangordon | shit | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | E: Unable to locate package apache2.2-bin-dbg | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'apache2.2-bin-dbg' | 02:00 |
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| brolin_empey | freemangordon: Yes, I know of PyOBD but I have not (yet) tried it. | 02:01 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, maybe you miss some repo | 02:01 |
| HtheB | did someone see 'robbiethe1st'? | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a job for our sysops then | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen robbiethe1st | 02:02 |
| infobot | robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-37-134-169.mscw.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 20h 11m 55s ago, saying: 'HtheB, can you give me your address(PM me)? Just want to take a look at what USPS wants to ship'. | 02:02 |
| HtheB | so he hasn't here since 3 days.... | 02:02 |
| HtheB | kinda worried | 02:02 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash | 02:02 |
| freemangordon | "Debug Symbol Packages" | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, not my cup of tea | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | changing repositories for those VM is... tricky | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks anyway | 02:07 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: which machine is that? | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | www | 02:08 |
| freemangordon | thanks | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 02:08 |
| freemangordon | for the info :) | 02:09 |
| freemangordon | (www) | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's wrong with it? | 02:10 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: nothing | 02:11 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I just said "thanks" :) | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, 16h maemo, time for some RL | 02:12 |
| freemangordon | time for some sleep if you ask me. night | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well not entirely maemo, I also managed to get the events for the additional buttons of my MX Revolution mouse | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if only by xinput test-xi2 13 | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but at least they are *somewhere* on the system already | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> xinput get-button-map 13 | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> xinput list --short 13 | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Logitech MX Revolution Mouse id=13 [slave pointer (2)] | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now I just need to find out how to assign arbitrary keystrokes to particular mousebuttons | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since it seems apps like khotkeys and kde keymap utilities at large don't know about the input events that are generated by those extra mouse buttons | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HAH! http://marian.schedenig.name/2012/06/07/mapping-kde-actions-to-extra-mouse-buttons/ | 02:26 |
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| amin007110 | Does setting password using 'passwd' for root to access via ssh, make any problem for 'sudo gainroot' or not? | 02:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | amin007110, not that I'm aware of, using sudo requires user passwd not root passwd. | 03:09 |
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| amin007110 | ok | 03:10 |
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| amin007110 | Which rsync switches should i use while backing up n900's /home in ssh? Does 'rsync -rva' enough or what? | 03:16 |
| amin007110 | Or better to use scp? | 03:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | rsync is faster but scp is secure. Each usecase has its own benefits and drawbacks. | 03:37 |
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| brolin_empey | psycho_oreos: rsync can be used over ssh. | 03:53 |
| Drathir | rsync also shold compare a files idk if scp do that too | 03:54 |
| Drathir | should* | 03:54 |
| psycho_oreos | brolin_empey, that doesn't make rsync any faster :P. If needed to make a case, one can also use sshfs so they can then use regular tools such as cp/mv. | 03:54 |
| Drathir | yep rsync is faster compresion on the fly | 03:55 |
| Drathir | disadventage sshfs is in my opinion only that if wifi conn interrupted need to mount in other location folder... but this is only my opinion... | 03:56 |
| psycho_oreos | sshfs ultimately relies on ssh for stream encryption. It just makes the poor little N900 encrypt as each data is to be sent, etc. I have copied data with sshfs before and I have also seen the device randomly rebooting when trying to copy several files over ssh. | 03:58 |
| * brolin_empey usually uses rsync over ssh. | 03:59 | |
| Drathir | me using rsync -r -v --progress -c -l -H --partial -z -i local_location user@ip:remote_location | 04:00 |
| Drathir | but dont know if its correct or not :p | 04:01 |
| Drathir | that if you want to try use with carefull... | 04:01 |
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| Drathir | is avaible grsync if good remember but for me dont work correctly... if good remember dont asking me for ssh password... | 04:04 |
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| amin007110 | Hmmmm... | 04:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((sudo requires user passwd not root passwd)) unless you fix that nonsense: | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 11:54 |
| infobot | from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((Which rsync switches should i use)) | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 11:55 |
| infobot | somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and good (UGT) morning | 11:57 |
| Lava_Croft | http://desktop-zero.blogspot.nl/2010/03/nokia-n900-guide-sync-folders-between.html | 11:59 |
| amin007110 | good morning | 11:59 |
| Lava_Croft | also still handy for rsync and n900 | 11:59 |
| amin007110 | well, still i have problem with find -printf options. | 11:59 |
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| amin007110 | i think i should use | xargs .... but don't know how exactly. | 12:00 |
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| Macer | ok | 12:12 |
| Macer | i give up with this pan config | 12:12 |
| Macer | it's impossible heh | 12:12 |
| Macer | maybe someone can make an easier way to do it because for the life of me i can't seem to figure it out | 12:12 |
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| M4rtinK2 | whats the current status of the autobuilder ? | 13:17 |
| anthonie | M4rtinK2, sixwheeledbeast is working on that, but afaik it's not "auto" but "mano"... | 13:19 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, the packages seem to build fine | 13:20 |
| M4rtinK2 | but it doesn't look like they are imported to the repository | 13:20 |
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| anthonie | No, hence the word "mano"... | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK2: repo-management is fsckedup | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK2: ping merlin1991 who is importing packages to repo manually | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also, to all developers: PLEASE check your http://maemo.org/packages/view/<packagename> if there are recent multiple ""Old version cleaned by repository management"", and if so, IMMEDIATELY HOLLER here, best by highlighting sixwheeledbeat or me | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DO NOT upload multiple times same version number of your package, when it doesn't build instantly (it may take a while), or if it already built without problems | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generally autobuilder is NOT meant to do development there! you're NOT supposed to upload multiple versions per day! | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to develop and test your app, you use SCRATCHBOX on your local PC | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | We might implement an auto-lock to your account when you uppload multiple times on same day | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please be aware that each upload that successfully builds (if it were promoted to extras-devel automatically) causes a new version of packages.gz that has to get build across *all* packages in repo, and will cause *all* devices to download the new packages.gz to check if there are updates available | 14:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so, don't consider two new versions of your package per day to be a particularly appreciated thing to do | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's also embarrassing for you as a developer - it makes you look foolish and not having a plan about where to head to with your package | 14:29 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, that looks kinda extreme | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 14:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | IIRC, N900 don't check for updates that often | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not the point | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and N900 HAM checks for updates just so often | 14:32 |
| M4rtinK2 | also, Devel is imho expected to change often, but yeah, most people have it enabled due to the QA not really working that well | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | default once every 24h | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and on every time you open it | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but - as mentioned - that's ot the point | 14:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | then at least for the N900s it should not be an issue | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY? | 14:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | even if someone uploaded a package every 10 minutes, or once in 24 hourse, it should "look" the same for the N900 | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not an issue to download a new 15MB packages.gz multiple times a day, because some fool confused autobuilder with his personal development IDE? | 14:34 |
| M4rtinK2 | if I understand it correctly | 14:34 |
| M4rtinK2 | shouldn't happen if it really checks only every 24 hours | 14:35 |
| M4rtinK2 | if it autoupdates every time it is opened, that would be an issue | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAM checks for date/version of packages.gz every time you start it (actually even after every action you did in HAM) | 14:36 |
| M4rtinK2 | but still, how often does one open HAM ? | 14:36 |
| M4rtinK2 | oh, after every action, that's quite bad | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, you're goinfg to argue with me about that? | 14:36 |
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| M4rtinK2 | I just think this should be solvable server side | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | autobuilder is a means to propagate new *tested* working apckage version to repo, *nothing* else | 14:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | sure | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, I'm going to solve this server side: multiple uploads to same package per day -> account locked | 14:38 |
| M4rtinK2 | I don't have issues with that & nothing what can go wrong with my packages as they are basically just compressed | 14:38 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, that what I think is too extreme | 14:38 |
| M4rtinK2 | what about: no upload in 4 hours - upload package db at once | 14:39 |
| Lava_Croft | just dont allow it to happen and tell the user why | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think uploading 3 versions of a package per day is too extreme | 14:39 |
| Lava_Croft | tell them to try again in 24h and to read the manual orso | 14:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | package uploaded in last 4 hours - queue an update in 4 hours | 14:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | so basically, if there are multiple versions in a given timeslot, the db would be updated for the whole batch | 14:40 |
| M4rtinK2 | but sure, could be problematic due to the mess autobuilder is | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more and more "developers" ask for upload rights to autobuilder/repo without even having a garage project to upload. And it seems they all think the standard way is to check your edits in sourcecode on autobuilder | 14:40 |
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| M4rtinK2 | even if they are "developers" i think it is good that people are still interested in Fremantle | 14:41 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, everyone started as a "developer" | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but we at techstaff can't handle that | 14:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org not been designed to handle that | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's meant to get used in a different way than that | 14:43 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, if the autobuilder indeed needs manual attention, high usage could be a problem | 14:43 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, the problem is that everyone has devel enabled | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the fact that it doesn't promote to repo automatically is a bless currently | 14:43 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, I have users waiting for an update, so its kinda of an issue for me presently :) | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, the problem is that "devels" think it's leete to upload 5 new versions per day | 14:44 |
| M4rtinK2 | so what about just setting a cronjob twice a day ? | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see my plea above | 14:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | multiple uploads while previos version got not processed seem to fsckup repo-management | 14:45 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, that sure is an issue | 14:45 |
| M4rtinK2 | and I guess not easy to fix due the usual not-documented-at-all state of the infra | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | edit, upload to autobuilder, bitch about compile takes >30min, read error logs, edit [...] --- NOT the way to use this infra | 14:47 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, that indeed is bad | 14:47 |
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| M4rtinK2 | the >30min compile time especially | 14:47 |
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| M4rtinK2 | unless trying to debug a autobuilder specific build issue | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | add to that brainless messing with version numbers | 14:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | but those should be rare | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, this is a procedure ONLY allowable to make your perfectly locally compilable package match any weirdness in autobuilder | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I ponder to add a requirement to add scratchbox compiler log with timestamp and signature to the package, otherwise it gets rejected | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will teach "developers" how the SOP looks like | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ::: edit, compile LOCALLY, read LOCAL error logs. <compile succeeded?> no: goto start. ONLY THEN upload to autobuilder | 14:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, development & packaging for the N900 is already hard as is, so adding additional barriers like this is IMHO not really a good idea... | 14:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | another issue might be that they might not know about this ? | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm pushing to not grant autobuilder/repo upload permissions to users that don't have their project in garage | 14:54 |
| M4rtinK2 | hmm, check number 1 here: http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html | 14:54 |
| M4rtinK2 | it explicitly tells users to upload until it works | 14:54 |
| M4rtinK2 | could be part of the confusion | 14:55 |
| M4rtinK2 | adding a "build locally first, don't needlessly strain the infrastructure until you package works" here & to the main autobuilder Web UI might help | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it probably been addressed to experienced devels that would feel ashamed to upload stuff to autobuilder and have their error logs exposed to general public, when they didn't check the whole package locally before | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, such a remark on that page might help. also helping might be to add fremantle there | 14:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | as you can tell by careful reading, this page is terribly out of date | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it origins from a time where every devel dropped by in this very channel and talked to peers to learn how to do things right | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (pre N900 times) | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, autobuilder/repo-management is fubar atm. So please help to keep it alive during the times we're searching for somebody capable to fix it! | 15:04 |
| M4rtinK2 | sure, but I'm not really that experienced with admining stuff | 15:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | but I can at least donate & help with testing | 15:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | and develop apps so people keep using their N900s :) | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I posted 3 *simple* rules above for every devel to notice | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1) don not upload multiple times a day 2) do take good care about your version numbers, or your package will get messed up by repo-management 3) check your http://maemo.org/packages/view/<packagename> if there are recent multiple ""Old version cleaned by repository management"" | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ( 1. point is actually not that strict, if you wait for error logs of your failed build before you upload next version) | 15:09 |
| M4rtinK2 | so add them at the top of the autobuilder Web UI or somewhere where they will be actually seen ? | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (however do NOT upload multiple compiling versions, possibly even with same version number. EVER!) | 15:10 |
| M4rtinK2 | btw, regarding packages/view/* | 15:11 |
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| M4rtinK2 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/modrana/ doesn't seem to load ever | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then it already exceeded point of no return with that cruft | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes apache2/php5/midgard process OOM abort | 15:12 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, that's indeed a horrendous input validation oversight for the original autobuilder authors | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, well, yes | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 15:12 |
| M4rtinK2 | I kinda wonder if setting up an OBS instance with Fremantle SDK target would be easier than fixing this mess | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe, but how to integrate that with existing stuff? | 15:13 |
| psycho_oreos | I wonder if there has been any work done on allowing one to choose between N900 as a host or N900 as a guest via USB networking:　https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking | 15:13 |
| M4rtinK2 | DocScrutinizer05: it could run in parallel with autobuilder first (if there are enough resources) | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see http://maemo.org/packages/view/findmine/ which not *yet* tripped the line between OMG and OOM | 15:14 |
| kerio | psycho_oreos: what do you mean? | 15:14 |
| kerio | host for what? | 15:14 |
| M4rtinK2 | everyone would build in their own repo and only push to a shared one once the package builds correctly | 15:15 |
| M4rtinK2 | the shared repo could then be synced by a cronjob to Devel | 15:15 |
| kerio | Macer: :( | 15:15 |
| kerio | what's not working? | 15:15 |
| M4rtinK2 | just a quick uninformed idea how it might work :) | 15:15 |
| psycho_oreos | kerio, bit complicated. I　meant like USB networking "host" is where N900 becomes a router and I use N900's connection [wlan/3G]. Though I also want to switch between that mode and making N900 as a "guest" where it connects through to PC and uses PC's network instead. | 15:16 |
| kerio | psycho_oreos: libicd-network-usb to be a "guest" | 15:16 |
| kerio | and mobilehotspot to be a host | 15:16 |
| kerio | there are your UIs | 15:16 |
| psycho_oreos | kerio, eww mobilehotspot. I prefer wired networking though, besides I really don't like to use mobile hotspot in public places. | 15:17 |
| kerio | mobilehotspot supports sharing a connection via usb | 15:17 |
| psycho_oreos | Can it also be strictly for USB though? i.e. choose USB as the option and it does not turn wl1251 as ad-hoc device? | 15:18 |
| kerio | i think so? | 15:18 |
| kerio | idk, go ahead and check | 15:19 |
| kerio | iirc you can't do both at the same time, actually | 15:19 |
| psycho_oreos | Hmm I'll go have a poke at it, thanks :) | 15:19 |
| kerio | or just make yourself some script | 15:19 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah that would be ideal, sometimes if I want to use N900's onboard wifi as network dongle then its nifty (in a sense). | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [Sun Jul 14 10:50:12 2013] [error] [client 151.77.230.21] PHP Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on line 501, referer: http://www.mobileblog.it/post/14920/modrana-un-navigatore-gps-open-source-per-n900 | 15:20 |
| M4rtinK2 | wow, that looks quite weird | 15:21 |
| psycho_oreos | *nods* was in the process of writing up a BASH script but I hit a snag. I asked in #bash and one of them suggested that I might want to try asking here for an abstraction tool. | 15:21 |
| M4rtinK2 | 30 seconds ? why ? | 15:22 |
| psycho_oreos | Probably it acts like a watchdog so to speak, looking for hung commands/process | 15:23 |
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| psycho_oreos | i.e. you don't want a nasty script to go around in indefinite loop without exitting, it may cause the daemon to crash. | 15:24 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, sure, but what takes 30 seconds on a package page to render | 15:25 |
| M4rtinK2 | that's the issue | 15:25 |
| psycho_oreos | Whatever is on line 501 in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php I suppose :) | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | referer: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/builds/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/all/ referer: http://maemo.org/packages/ referer: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_pac...bla referer: http://maemo.org/packages/view/qdl-plugins-dailymotion/ referer: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/libc6-dev/2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5/ | 15:27 |
| M4rtinK2 | a referer loop ? | 15:27 |
| M4rtinK2 | or something like that | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/net/nemein/wiki/wikipage.php on line 818 idcom/core/privilege.php on line 459 | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, our db simply cluttered with shit like in http://maemo.org/packages/view/findmine/ | 15:29 |
| M4rtinK2 | ouch | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we also seen OOM aborts, where apache2/php/midcom simply allocated more than the granted ~400MB, for a single page | 15:30 |
| M4rtinK2 | well at least the package name is quite fitting | 15:30 |
| M4rtinK2 | ugh | 15:30 |
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| psycho_oreos | Too much info in changelog I suppose? | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-13 23:29:28] <DocScrutinizer05> (pc-connectivity-manager) dunno if I said it before, but look at the mess @ http://maemo.org/packages/view/pc-connectivity-manager/ | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-13 23:31:50] <DocScrutinizer05> particularly 2011-12-02 22:47 and 2012-12-29 04:23 | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-10 00:12:12] <sixwheeledbeast> http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-experimental/ dead | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [Sun Jul 14 12:33:08 2013] [error] [client 88.217.63.147] PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 367001600 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 93 bytes) in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/querybuilder.php on line 326 | 15:33 |
| psycho_oreos | Whoa, looks like there needs to be some sort of truncating. | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^^ that's been me, trying to surf to ^^^ URL | 15:33 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: 367mb for a single webpage? | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe you now understand why I say "in a week or so I *have* to take down all that mess since it runs into errors caused by errors caused by errors. Reaching criticality" | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | repo management cluttering db, thus making apache abort OOM, thus no more midgard admin interface to that package to even delete it or do whatever to it, to fix the mess | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're rapidly going over the cliff | 15:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | stuff like this is a nightmare | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 15:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | fixing a running production system | 15:37 |
| psycho_oreos | + facing people who ask is the site down, etc. | 15:38 |
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| M4rtinK2 | well ,you can just tell them "X is broken" | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically libqtm-experimental/ is zombie state and non-recoverable | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | other packages as well | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | others following soon | 15:38 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah you can tell them its broken but you have to say that for everyone that comes in and asks the same question. | 15:39 |
| psycho_oreos | zombie state? :x | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I can't do anything to that package to fix it (except on very low sql level maybe) | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or by increasing apache memlinit to 2GB | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I at least could reach the midgard admin menu on that webpage to delete or edit the package | 15:40 |
| M4rtinK2 | if you have the source package, could you just purge the original an resubmit it ? | 15:40 |
| M4rtinK2 | oh | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *cannot* | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah "oh" :-O | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | panic mode getting popular | 15:41 |
| M4rtinK2 | so i guess that leaves only the SQL stuff (purging the records that cause this) | 15:41 |
| M4rtinK2 | but I do remeber some insane queries Midgard does | 15:42 |
| M4rtinK2 | that you've posted during the migration | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's however prone to a global midgard db messup, since that are ~50 tables that all need to be consistent | 15:42 |
| M4rtinK2 | so that would probably also be quite complicated | 15:42 |
| psycho_oreos | Sounds like in either way its one massive brain******. | 15:43 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, at least make db backups, if possible :) | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | needs thorough understanding how midgard works, to do the right thing to the right tables (plural!) | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have db backups, luckily | 15:43 |
| M4rtinK2 | good! | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that might mean we have to rollback maemo.org to ~april | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that still leaves repo in a messed up state | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least all packages since april would be orphaned then | 15:45 |
| M4rtinK2 | how big is the db ? | 15:45 |
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| M4rtinK2 | & does it support making snapshots while running ? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a humble 50GB | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really | 15:46 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, that's indeed an issue | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's mysql and our sysops have installed some means to do proper dumps for backup | 15:46 |
| M4rtinK2 | having say daily incremental backups would be a good safety net | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have those | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | every time blade-a load goes up significantly it's probably backupPC doing backups of the VMs | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incl db VM | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | happens once / day, ~00:00 CET | 15:48 |
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| M4rtinK2 | that's indeed good to have | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but we don't keep those backups forever | 15:49 |
| M4rtinK2 | in case it gets completely borked for some reason | 15:49 |
| M4rtinK2 | is it full or incremental ? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I asked for keeping 4 weeks worth of incremental backups, plus one incremetal backup per month against original state | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if warfare implemented it | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | every Sunday we do a full backup, during week is incremental | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we keep 8 weeks of sunday backups iirc | 15:51 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, that should hopefully have the worst case covered for the time being | 15:51 |
| M4rtinK2 | nothing much more that can be done when fixing a live production system | 15:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, actually a cluster, making things even worse | 15:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | anyway, good job taking things this far already! :) | 15:53 |
| M4rtinK2 | considerin Maemo being such an undocumented & complicated beast | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seen anthonie | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen anthonie | 16:00 |
| infobot | anthonie <~anthonie@ip26-214-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 39m 2s ago, saying: 'No, hence the word "mano"... '. | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen anthonie_ | 16:01 |
| infobot | anthonie_ <~anthonie@ip26-214-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 19h 44m 56s ago, saying: 'yes, I think that's pretty well possible'. | 16:01 |
| psycho_oreos | kerio, thanks, just checked Qt Mobile Hotspot and the latest under extras-devel does have an option to choose either USB or WLAN. | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK2: http://xkcd.com/705/ | 16:35 |
| M4rtinK2 | sure, uptime is important :) | 16:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | that reminds me - what distro is Maemo actually running on ? | 16:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, the VMs | 16:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | Debian I guess ? | 16:40 |
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| Drathir | vw 27 | 17:23 |
| Drathir | fail sorry | 17:23 |
| psycho_oreos | Maemo uses Debian package management, it does not necessarily mean that it is running on Debian :) | 17:28 |
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| M4rtinK2 | psycho_oreos: of course, but I mean the infrastructure | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | alas ubuntu | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/20e2d92083 | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini s/max_execution_time = 30/max_execution_time = 99/ | 18:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 frowns at php5 causing apache2 processes to stall rather than quit when max_execution_time expires | 18:36 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | PID USER PRI NI VIRT RES SHR S CPU% MEM% TIME+ Command | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 19959 www-data 20 0 1454M 1195M 20412 S 17.0 20.2 3:16.90 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 16:07:30 write(19, "\303\0\0\0\3UPDATE repligard SET changed=NULL,action='update',typename='midgard_parameter', object_action=4 WHERE guid='0bab5c186a3111dd961d834f021af853f853' AND realm='record_extension' AND sitegroup = 1", 199) = 199 | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK2: http://maemo.org/packages/view/modrana/ loads now | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are still pages that fail to load though, even with 99s timeout | 20:07 |
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| amin007110 | Where is the storage location of 'contacts data'? Like rtcom-eventlogger for messaging. | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody (I think merlin1991) already tracked down the reason why ""Old version cleaned by repository management"" fails and thus gets rescheduled | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: I'd say .osso-abook | 20:12 |
| amin007110 | in /opt ? | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in ~user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db | 20:14 |
| amin007110 | hmmm | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | why? | 20:14 |
| amin007110 | just to know | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 20:14 |
| amin007110 | sqlite3 ? | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, berkley iirc | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/contact | 20:16 |
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| amin007110 | DocScrutinizer05, you know when in settings>accounts we touch an account to modify, it becomes highlighted. Well, a few years ago, when i touched a jabber account, battery becomes empty and device turned off. 2013-07-14T20:49:44 *** florian has joined #maemo | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for me the highlighting is just fraction of a second, until that account opens in detail view | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gather you got a garbled account file/whatever that is making this accounts list blow chunks | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway (IM/VoIP)accounts there are not related to addressbook | 20:52 |
| amin007110 | i know | 20:52 |
| amin007110 | These are separate questiobns | 20:53 |
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| amin007110 | Well, How can I find this account file/whatever ? | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure. Start at ~user/.rtcom-accounts | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool -R /|less /<some significant searchstring> | 20:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | accounts.cfg in there has a good part of stuff related to those accounts. Don't ask me though where the passwords are stored | 20:56 |
| amin007110 | already saw account.cfg. Nothing related to highlighting rows. | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's *nothing* anywhere related to highlighting | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a symptom of a bug | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably in accounts.cfg | 20:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or in (not) attached avatar image | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some syntax error or inconsistency or illegal char | 20:59 |
| HtheB | anyone here from the us who want to help me a bit? | 20:59 |
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| amin007110 | opened in vi. just 13 lines. General settings. like auto online, enabled, protocol, bla bla bla | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: I didn't assume there's a "highlight=permanent" in there | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: maybe an important line is missing. I dunno | 21:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: AIUI you can create new accounts? then create a second account exactly like the messed up one, and compare their entries one by one | 21:05 |
| amin007110 | I think it's not related to any account, it's related to the row number the account stand on. | 21:07 |
| amin007110 | Imagine i have 12 accounts | 21:07 |
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| amin007110 | and the 7th one is highlighted | 21:07 |
| amin007110 | when i delete the 7th, the previous 8the one take its place. | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, now that's extremely weird | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd honestly suggest to reflash | 21:13 |
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| amin007110 | well, then if restore accounts backup, we will the row there again :D | 21:14 |
| amin007110 | if I restore * | 21:14 |
| amin007110 | we will see * | 21:14 |
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| amin007110 | It`s super mega giga hyper super DIFFICULTLY to understand, but i don't know is it super difficulty made or I am hyper idi0t!!! | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might even be a hardware defect, in digitizer | 21:18 |
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| amin007110 | nope | 21:18 |
| amin007110 | digitaizer has been changed 2 times during these years | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then it shouldn't show up in a fresh reflashed device | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not even when you create 12 accounts | 21:19 |
| amin007110 | in a fresh yes | 21:19 |
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| amin007110 | the problem is backup! | 21:19 |
| amin007110 | restoring backup in fact | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and when it returns on restoring from osso-backup, then it's clearly related to what's in there | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and in backup the content is pretty much plaintext | 21:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | once you untargz'ed it | 21:20 |
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| amin007110 | and search for what ? | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mc is awesome to browse a backup and view the content of every single file in that tarballs in tarballs | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | search for stuff that seems related to accounts | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like I already said, it might be an illegal char somewhere, or a garbled syntactical structure, or whatever | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still don't get it how it could jump from one account to next, on deletion or insertion of an account | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and then as well survive reboots | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you say it's on 7th account? so what happens when you delete all accounts but 6 | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where is the highlight then? | 21:24 |
| amin007110 | empty area become highlighted | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe it's a bug that existed since beginning of times, and just nobody ever noticed it since... 7 accounts, duh! | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you say you have only 13 lines in your accounts.cfg? how's that possible? | 21:25 |
| amin007110 | whou you mind to see ? | 21:26 |
| amin007110 | whould | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean I have only 2 or 3 accounts and some 100 lines in there | 21:26 |
| amin007110 | lol, I told you once a time, I, myself, am a bug :D | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | # wc accounts.cfg | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 78 71 1732 accounts.cfg | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, you're just dreaming that, I'm sure. Did you notice you were a bug when you awoke one morning? | 21:28 |
| amin007110 | Nokia-N900:/home/user/.rtcom-accounts# wc accounts.cfg | 21:28 |
| amin007110 | 13 14 239 accounts.cfg | 21:28 |
| amin007110 | ugt? | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Kafka | 21:29 |
| Lava_Croft | and one of his worst stories at that! | 21:30 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 21:30 |
| amin007110 | but im not gregor samsa :D | 21:31 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 21:31 |
| Lava_Croft | you are no travelling salesman? | 21:31 |
| Lava_Croft | :< | 21:31 |
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| amin007110 | Of course the answer depends on what you mean by reasonable. | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, 239 is a virgin accounts.cfg | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for any jabber or sip account there should be sth in this file | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw in backup you find it in comm_and_cal.zip/uzip://Root/tmp/.rtcom-accounts | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to cp -a /tmp /tmp-backup; rm -rf /tmp/* | 21:52 |
| amin007110 | Well, I guess when i disable an account in settings, Maemo removes its related configs from the file. | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,noatime,size=1024k) | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: so what? you say you have 13 accounts? | 21:54 |
| amin007110 | Or maybe i am wrong, Now comparing some differenct backups | 21:54 |
| amin007110 | Well, found one with 10528 lines ! hehe :D | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds more like it | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still I don't get it how you can have 12 accounts showing in GUI when your accounts.cfg is virgin | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd thik an account not configured in accounts.cfg can't show up in GUI whatsoever | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | think even | 21:58 |
| amin007110 | hmmm | 21:58 |
| amin007110 | i found that 7th account | 21:59 |
| amin007110 | and there is not any noticeable difference with others | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're sure you didn't do leete personalization with new unix user accounts, or switching user to root, or changing fs on /home or whatever? | 21:59 |
| amin007110 | Yes | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no clue | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth seems to be severely mystical on your system | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | accounts that show up in settings/accounts should as well show up in ~user * * accounts.cfg | 22:02 |
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| amin007110 | well, i found them in previous 2011 made backups | 22:03 |
| amin007110 | but not in current file and half of them in 2012 | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you say your file has 239 chars like the one in my backup labeled "virgin", yet you claim to see 12 accounts in GUI, and 7th of them is highlighted permanenly | 22:04 |
| lexxik | hello guys, right now im trying to reflash my phone (because of no uboot menu - just options like uboot console) but uboot is faster > flashing didn't start. Some ideas how to solve that? (by the way 'attached kernel' option is not working, srsly dont know why).. the problem with uboot is probably coused by 'formated' MyDocs partition, uboot is trying to find there file named boot.scr or bootmenu.scr... but how i said my MyDocs is clean aft | 22:04 |
| amin007110 | although i had all of them | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lexxik: charge your battery, follow instructions in : | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 22:05 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lexxik: attached kernel not working probably caused by you having PK kernel modules installed | 22:07 |
| amin007110 | DocScrutinizer05, is it possible that fsck restores a virgin accounts.cfg instead of the original? | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway uboot isn't "faster", it's just the next think after NOLO when NOLO refuses to flash | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: hardly | 22:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unless the original got garbled on fs level and fschk deleted or moved it to lost&found | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then the GUI would create a virgin new file I guess | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since that's obviouslym SOP on maemo: when a config file is missing, the process trying to open it creates it anew | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then that should result in all your accounts vanishing | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AIUI | 22:11 |
| amin007110 | there is no accounts.cfg in lost+found at the moment. | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless that particular GUI looks at some friggin telepathy crap config files as well | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in lost&found it wouldn't be called anything resembling original name | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any files rescued to lost&found are called file0000 .. file9999 iirc | 22:12 |
| amin007110 | #385478 | 22:13 |
| amin007110 | inode name | 22:13 |
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| amin007110 | but if it was a directory, files in it represent real names | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and there's for sure an option to fsck to rather delete/purge those orphaned "files" rather than moving stuff to lost&found | 22:13 |
| lexxik | is 'green light' battery status indication important when flashing? | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err yes | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery check: switch off device, press&hold "U" key, attach NOKIA wallcharger aka fastcharger, watch screen | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it should show NOKIA and USB symbol upper right | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it doesn't stay there until you remove charger, then your battery is (too) empty | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rationale: when NOLO decides battery is too low, it tries to skip flashing requests and to boot into system to start charging - however sensible that might be | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so when that happens, for you next thing you see is uBoot | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas afaik uBoot can't charge battery | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so if that's your problem, then an external charger or rescueOS are your options to recover | 22:19 |
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| lexxik | the problem: when i plugg in the wallcharger, the diod is orange and after a while, uBoot starts. Does it mean i need to charge the battery in another phone? (eg. my 5800XM?) | 22:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your battery is completely depleted | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flatbatrecover | 22:23 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ only applies to non-fubared rootfs devices | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway steady amber means the device can't boot up at all, not even to NOLO, due to battery way too low | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | steady amber is emergency charging until NOLO can boot | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't charge battery to a level where NOLO would allow flashing, by emergency charging | 22:25 |
| lexxik | so what to do now: charge battery in my historical 5800XM, put it in N900 and? flash? or is there option how to save my half-bricked phone? | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can boot to rescueOS and restore the uboot.scr (or whatever) file | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you reflash | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rootfs | 22:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you should first charge the battery in your ancient phone, if that works | 22:29 |
| lexxik | by the way, when the battery is out of the phone and the charger is plugged in, the uBoot is still running. Interesting.. | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *completely* | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that's indeed interesting | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you mean when you remove battery while uBoot is displayed? that's normal | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~hotswap | 22:30 |
| infobot | hmm... hotswap is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 | 22:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | NOLO checks for battery presence. uBoot doesn't | 22:30 |
| lexxik | cool.. yet another thing i didnt know about n900 :) | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, when you wanna hear about things yiu didn't know yet of N900, you're talking to the right one ;-P | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think i created a few more info bits scattered oall over the place than just http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 and ~jrtools | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo flatbatrecover | 22:37 |
| infobot | flatbatrecover -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon Jul 26 02:02:58 2010 (1084 days); last modified at Wed Mar 27 16:02:38 2013 by kerio!~kerio@Maemo/community/contributor/kerio; it has been requested 63 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 14m 20s ago. | 22:37 |
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| kerio | hai | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however the question is if you *really* wanna know about all that ;-) | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 22:43 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | might be interesting | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | as well as some of the other stuff in this junkjard | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err oops | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I meant maemo.cloud-7.de | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (junkjard) | 22:44 |
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