IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2013-07-13

DocScrutinizer05with no HR there's nothing to plan00:00
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shawnjeffersonyes, that's the big problem... time/people.00:02
win7macTime for the banner and a SOS tmo thread00:02
shawnjeffersonafk for a bit00:02
win7mac...give picture of the situation and ask for help00:03
win7macBTW, why am I not banner-admin already?!00:03
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win7mac...I promise to ask Doc + chemist for approval of new banners00:05
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shawnjeffersonI'd like to help, but I'm nol wizard.... I do some of this stuff in my day job and figuring out things work is something I do day to day.  The big problem is time... it's hard to commit to being "the guy"00:06
shawnjeffersoncorrection: no wizard & how things work00:06
shawnjeffersonmidgard I know nothing about for instance00:07
win7macwe'd need a team00:07
shawnjeffersonbarely even heard of it00:07
win7macantonie already offered his assistance00:07
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shawnjeffersonok, I just don't want to complain and not offer to help somehow. :)  I'd really like to be able to upload to the Autobuilder.00:11
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win7macshawn, we'll come back on you if we get such a project going00:13
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win7macanthonie suggested noise some on tmo as well, BTW00:13
win7mac*some noise00:14
win7macI know it's kind of stabbin in the dark, but what can we loose?00:16
win7machow much $$ would another blade inkl. HDDs be roughly?00:17
DocScrutinizer05everybody interested can contribute to augment the knowledge in
DocScrutinizer05maybe 80000:19
DocScrutinizer05first rough guess00:19
win7macwell, if that's the last thing we can do for maemo, lets use donations for that00:20
DocScrutinizer05(contribute) we allow "guest" accounts on several maemo VM, so you can investigate what the scripts do. I also provide a "bio-proxy" to root cmdline00:20
win7macno idea if it worth taking the risk though, if it remains fruitlesss and things g down anyway00:21
DocScrutinizer05win7mac: we have no manpower to investigate an existing once working system that now has a few flaws00:22
win7mac^^ so whoever really wants, actually *can* look into things?00:22
DocScrutinizer05I doubt we can find the manpower for such a testbed project00:22
DocScrutinizer05(look into things) sure00:22
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DocScrutinizer05I can provide cleaned out copies of every file you're interested in00:24
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win7macand you also have no further ideas how to proceed?00:25
DocScrutinizer05I need to take care about any passwords, any user privacy, and about some statistically significant data. Other than that there's nothing secret in maemo.org00:25
DocScrutinizer05well, for now I'd proceed with spotting why repo-management over and over tries to clean out obsolete packages00:27
DocScrutinizer05then try to figure how to fix the problem00:27
DocScrutinizer05and particularly: DOCUMENT IT00:28
DocScrutinizer05so others can pick up where I dropped00:28
win7mac...very underestimated in community-driven infra...00:29
shawnjeffersonit sounds like with autobuilder (and other stuff) a lot of scripts run in the root cron, so those would definitely need to be relayed via you00:29 with board mails...00:30
shawnjeffersonI'm willing to take look and try to help document/understand00:30
DocScrutinizer05sure thing00:32
DocScrutinizer05shawnjefferson: could you please register with nickserv?00:33
DocScrutinizer05/msg nickserv help register00:34
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shawnjeffersonI have registered... just did an identify00:40
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DocScrutinizer05shawnjefferson: I just invited you to our admin channel00:42
shawnjeffersongreat!  i just joined that channel00:43
DocScrutinizer05you're sure?00:43
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snafu777Had a question regarding a custom desktop02:07
snafu777I can do: gconftool-2 /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets --dump02:07
snafu777and it shows the position of all my icons on the desktop02:08
snafu777How can i take that, store it, and then load it for later if i make changes but want to change back to the original positions listed in the file without moving icons by hand?02:08
snafu777Any help would be greatly appreciated02:08
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snafu777Nobody, ?02:22
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DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: gconftool --help02:40
Snafu777I've read the man page02:40
Snafu777and I dont have a /root/.gconf or a /home/user/.gconf02:40
Snafu777I think that might be why i cant do what im trying to do?02:41
Snafu777I just don't know enuf about gconf02:41
DocScrutinizer05then you know you can store values via gconftool as well as read them02:41
Snafu777i tried02:41
Snafu777nothing worked02:41
Snafu777Pretty much I have a very customized way to re-create the N900 from the filesystem up02:42
Snafu777repartitioning etc..02:42
Snafu777Last step for me is to set the icons via a script automatically02:42
DocScrutinizer05you *might* need root permissions to do gconftool -s for some keys02:43
Snafu777got it02:43
Snafu777doing everything as root02:43
Snafu777I own an N900.  It is a phone with Maemo (linux-like) for the OS.  I am trying to find a way via gconftool-2 to dump the current location of icons on the Desktop.02:44
Snafu777From what i have been able to try so far: gconftool-2 /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets --dump02:44
Snafu777That command will dump the current position of all icons on the desktop to the screen.  How can I take that output and re-load it later if I move an icon?02:44
Snafu777I am trying to avoid having to manually move icons should I reflash.02:44
Snafu777NOT what i intended to paste, sorry02:44
Snafu777Load/Save options02:44
Snafu777  --dump                                         Dump to standard output an XML description of all entries under a directory, recursively.02:44
Snafu777  --load                                         Load from the specified file an XML description of values and set them relative to a directory.02:44
Snafu777  --unload                                       Unload a set of values described in an XML file.02:44
DocScrutinizer05dude, I had that on my other window02:44
Snafu777So i tried..... gconftool-2 /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets --dump > desktop.xml02:45
Snafu777I deleted an icon from the desktop02:45
Snafu777then i tried gconftool-2 --load desktop.xml02:45
Snafu777with no effect02:45
Snafu777then i tried gconftool-2 --shutdown && gconftool-2 --spawn02:45
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DocScrutinizer05never tried that02:45
Snafu777How would you accomplish the task DocScrutinizer05 ?02:46
DocScrutinizer05I probably had used gconftool -R /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets02:46
DocScrutinizer05and then RTFM02:47
DocScrutinizer05to find about dump, load, unload02:47
DocScrutinizer05anyway the inverse function to load seems to be unload, not dump02:47
DocScrutinizer05but it should prolly make no difference02:48
rikaneeoff topic, but I just added a SSD, and it's fantastic.02:50
DocScrutinizer05both (unload, dump) sounds scary like "remove those keys from original registry"02:50
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: yeah, those are incredible02:50
Snafu777I've tried all kinds of combos02:50
Snafu777Just to no avail02:50
Snafu777Hence why i'm reaching out Doc =(02:51
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: I don't have big bucks to blow, so I bought a 128GB SSD and I'm having it cache my OS and programs. Still, it's fast.02:51
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: fsck gconftool. I have no f...aintest clue02:53
Snafu777Okay, no worries02:53
Snafu777Thanks for the ideas though02:53
DocScrutinizer05OOOH, --unload seems to fetch the key/dir descriptions from the file to unload to02:54
Snafu777Nothing works02:55
Snafu777I wonder if i have to reboot02:55
DocScrutinizer05I dunno if gconf has a locking scheme. If so, I might figure hildon-desktop locks those keys02:55
Snafu777well after the load, even though the icon is not there, the string is02:55
Snafu777so now i have to perhaps reboot02:55
Snafu777or reload or something02:55
DocScrutinizer05wait, you say you ran gconftool --load without it throwing error?02:56
Snafu777but the icon doesnt appear instantly02:56
Snafu777like it should02:56
DocScrutinizer05then killall -9 hildondesktop02:56
Snafu777no process killed02:56
DocScrutinizer05uh, you want to *create* icons this way?02:56
Snafu777Not create, but position02:57
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Snafu777For my custom distro02:57
DocScrutinizer05yeah, then kill -9 hildon-desktop02:57
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Snafu777and killal did kill it, but it didnt load the new icon in its proper spot02:57
DocScrutinizer05well, I hope you killall -9 it02:58
Snafu777killall -9 hildon-desktop02:58
Snafu777but still no effect =/02:58
Snafu777getting closer though02:58
Snafu777cuz i can see the icon info via --dump, it just doesnt showup02:58
DocScrutinizer05well, check if a new gconftool --dump still has the positions like --load ed by you02:58
Snafu777no dice02:59
Snafu777do u have a /home/user/.gconf doc/?03:00
Snafu777it does show the positions, but the icon is not there =)03:00
DocScrutinizer05hmm, then obviously they are stored elsewhere03:00
Snafu777time to see if a reboot works03:00
Snafu777only thing i can think of03:01
Snafu777and no,  it has to be the right file03:01
DocScrutinizer05wait, what you're talking about?03:01
DocScrutinizer05or applauncher?03:01
Snafu777the desktop with no text below the icon03:01
Snafu777whatever u call that03:01
Snafu777never been sure what the terminology is called03:01
DocScrutinizer05then try to describe it by your own terminology03:02
Snafu777The desktop with no icon text03:02
Snafu777the one u add widgets to03:02
DocScrutinizer05though I couldn't think of any more to-the-point term than desktop and applauncher03:02
Snafu777here comes the reboot.....03:03
Snafu777no dice03:03
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* DocScrutinizer05 headdesks a little @
DocScrutinizer059 of 16 processes stalled03:10
DocScrutinizer05wait, 8 of 1503:11
DocScrutinizer05and sort on "start" fails epically03:12
DocScrutinizer05once all processes stalled, I will *not* restart them unless we got another plan how to avoid this process freezing03:16
Snafu777So i said fuck it03:20
Snafu777gconftool-2 --dump > hope.xml03:20
Snafu777delete the icon03:20
Snafu777gconftool-2 --load hope.xml03:20
Snafu777icon appears03:20
Snafu777fuck yeah =)03:20
Snafu777hackers rule the world03:20
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DocScrutinizer05would anybody feel like analyzing a coredump of such stalled apache2 process to find out why it hangs?03:25
DocScrutinizer05or what, I think gdb could do that more easily on live system, right?03:26
DocScrutinizer05unless apache2 is stripped03:27
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DocScrutinizer05  for the curious ones03:34
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DocScrutinizer05suure...   ** PROBLEM Service Alert: is CRITICAL **04:17
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Maceris there an easy way to add bluetooth PAN on the n900?05:40
Macerso i can tether an android tablet to it?05:40
Macerthat seems to be the only information05:41
Macerhm. and i guess there is no way in hell to get it to work in infrastructure mode05:43
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MacerInstall pc-connectivity-manager - Tablet PC-Connectivity Manager06:17
Macerwhere is that?06:17
Macerthat says that it is in extras-devel06:18
Macerbut i don't see it06:18
Macerguess i'll use the deb06:23
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Maceri give up07:16
Macermaybe i'll look for a damn phone that has a qwerty and supports PAN07:16
Macergetting it to work in maemo is making me pull my hair out07:16
Macerit seems like for whatever reason maemo doesn't create the pan1 bridge07:16
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kerioMacer: pc-connectivity-manager is awful09:23
kerioinstall the latest bluez, install kernel-power and install some flavour of brctl09:23
kerioand just configure bluez09:24
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Macerkerio: i think the main problem is the lack of brctl09:40
Macerbut i don't even know where to get it09:41
Macerit isn't in any of the repos09:41
Macerwould be nice if pan was added to cssu somehow :)09:42
Macerbut that would also require brctl be added to cssu09:43
Macersince that is where i am having my problem09:43
kerioMacer: busybox-power has one09:46
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Macerdidn't even know there was a busybox-power heh10:22
Macerwill it conflict with busybox?10:22
Macermaybe i will try it out10:22
Macerif i do get it working maybe i can make a wiki on it because PAN is the only way to get an android tablet working with wireless tethering10:23
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Macertrying to install it now10:48
Macerhm. lets see what happens10:48
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Maceri keep getting can't add bnep0 to bridge pan111:21
Macerno such device11:21
Macerand brctl11:25
Macerbrctl: bridge pan1: Package not installed11:25
Macermaybe no bridge support for the powerkernel i'm using?11:26
Macerthis is such a pain11:26
Macerall this just to get an android tablet to tether11:27
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MetalGearSolidIf your tablet is rooted maybe you can try Android reverse tether along with usb networking on N90011:42
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DrathirMacer: adhoc not working at all?11:51
Drathiror you want take by bt from phone and share with wifi on tablet?11:52
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amin007110Drathir, Jelly Bean disabled ad-hoc discovery afaik.11:55
MacerDrathir: i want to figure out any way to get an android tablet to use an n900 as a modem12:01
Macerand it seems rather impossible12:01
Macerthe best i got was getting bnep0 running12:01
Macerbut the brctl doesn't work because i guess the kernel-power doesn't have bridge support (wtf??)12:02
Macerand the stupid android tablet doesn't have dun or support adhoc12:02
Macerwhich is an android hard coded thing12:02
Macerso i'm stuck12:02
Macercan't get pan to wrok on the n900 and can't get adhoc and dun to work on the tablet12:02
Macerthe tf101 is old anyways.. but that pretty much wipes out any point in ever getting another android tablet heh12:05
Maceri don't want to give up the n90012:05
Maceronly reason i really like the tf101 is its retarded battery life12:05
Macerthe thing can go almost a whole day in use if the attachable keyboard and tablet have a full charge12:05
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Macerthink i'll just get an S4 and one of those12:16
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DrathirMacer: host usbip mode usb connection? or that also dont should work?13:13
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Lava_CroftMacer: that still leaves you with Android13:34
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Lava_Croftam i the only one having trouble to get the n900 to login to FB chat14:09
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DocScrutinizer05well, look at the complete mess re versions in
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DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: no, I heard NSA recently bitched about lot of problems eavesdropping FB ;-P14:21
DocScrutinizer05which doesn't mean they'd given up on it, just that it's cumbersome for them too14:22
Lava_Croftcarebear about nsa14:22
Lava_Croftall those people using the US owned internet that cry about NSA14:23
Lava_Croftits lovely!14:23
DocScrutinizer05dafaq! NSA using De owned internet to spy on us14:24
Lava_Croftbut its not DE owned14:24
DocScrutinizer05it is, here in Germany at least14:24
Lava_Croftthats what you think14:24
Lava_Croftits basically a US owned thing, the internet14:24
DocScrutinizer05that's what NSA thinks14:24
Lava_Croftyou can see it when an FBI logo shows up on a website you might want to visit14:24
Lava_Croftfrom Germany14:24
Lava_CroftReally, all those people who think that the internet can be some place of freedom, as opposed to the real world, are people who don't really get how things work :D14:25
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DocScrutinizer05really, any NSA that thinks we won't give them the finger sooner or later for spying on intra-german traffic, has a severe brain damage14:26
Lava_CroftGermany wont give the finger to anyone14:26
Lava_CroftJust like NL wont14:27
Lava_CroftAngie is just talking tuff for the people at home14:27
DocScrutinizer05fsck Angie14:27
Lava_CroftShe is your boss for now14:27
Lava_CroftNext elections she is gone, but for now ... :|14:27
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Lava_CroftBesides, name me a good alternative:D14:28
DocScrutinizer05we got some of the world's best hackers here, and we know how to create stuff that will give Angie and NSA a few headaches14:28
Lava_CroftThats a bit of a general statement14:28
DocScrutinizer05as general as NSA eavesfropping14:29
Lava_CroftIt's east to eavesdrop the internet14:29
Lava_CroftI bet the Stasi would go nuts with this power:D14:29
Lava_Croftwell, not power, but possibilities14:29
Lava_Croftstill, Germany wont do anything against the NSA or the USA14:29
Lava_CroftThey have most likely been cooperating with them for the past years14:30
DocScrutinizer05not Germany.*14:30
Lava_CroftJust like about any western euro country14:30
Lava_CroftYeah, think that Germany is different14:30
DocScrutinizer05maybe our fucking BND14:30
Lava_CroftFinns think Finland is different14:30
Lava_CroftDutchies think NL is different14:30
Lava_CroftIn the end they all work togethered happily against the people:)14:30
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DocScrutinizer05honestly what's your semantic concept of >$nation> ?14:31
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: honestly what's your semantic concept of <$nation> ?14:31
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Lava_Croftconcept of a nation is something from the last centuries14:31
DocScrutinizer05or even <$continent>?14:31
Lava_Croftphysical distance and borders are nearly completely irrelevant14:32
DocScrutinizer05"Germany will do something against USA" HECK that sounds like WW-314:32
Lava_CroftThat says more about your way of thinking than it does about mine, heh14:32
Lava_CroftI didnt even go near anything like 'war' yet, in my thoughts :<14:33
Lava_CroftWhy would they:D14:33
anthonieHey, Lara, we dutch ARE different. Look in our eyes. The only reason for NOT raising a finger, is because we smoke so much we can' t be arsed to lift up the hand that holds the finger... :D14:33
DocScrutinizer05German IT-professionals will do sth against NSA and BND and prism and tempora14:33
Lava_Croftanthonie: no no, its because we dutchies are spineless14:33
Lava_Croftwe are a trader nation, we bend in whatever direction is needed to make the sale14:33
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: sure they will14:34
Lava_CroftDutchies will solve the world-wide problem of rising water14:34
DocScrutinizer05so that invalidates all your rant about "Germany will (bot) do... against USA"14:34
Lava_CroftIt's not a rant, heh14:34
Lava_CroftIt's just a simple fact14:34
Lava_CroftGermany depends way too much on the USA to do anything14:34
Lava_CroftJust like NL or any other western euro country14:35
DocScrutinizer05it's a overly simple and even incorrect statement14:35
Lava_CroftThinking this is any different is just living in a state of dream14:35
anthonieLava_Croft, no, we' re not, we've been told we are and many of us believe we are... because all they know and experienced in their lifes is what they see on the TV14:35
Lava_Croftanthonie: no, we really are14:35
DocScrutinizer05and you refuse to think about my questioning your semantic construct of <$nation>14:35
Lava_CroftI think I already replied to that14:36
DocScrutinizer05last time $Germany  did sth was maybe 193314:36
Lava_CroftAnd stating that I 'refuse to think' about anything14:36
Lava_Croftover the internet14:36
Lava_Croftthats a bit14:36
Lava_CroftL O L14:36
Lava_CroftI know where this is going14:36
Lava_Croftso i quit here14:36
DocScrutinizer05and even then only 10% of $Germany did the same thing, while 80% did look the other way, and another 10% got killed or arrested14:36
Lava_CroftI also know how to handle this14:36
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: you are correct, you are right14:37
Lava_Crofthave a nice day!14:37
anthonieLava, give me back my spine before you run off! :P14:38
Lava_Croftanthonie: I think our national spine got lost in time14:39
DocScrutinizer05national spine, ROTFL14:39
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DocScrutinizer05I'm hapy to state I got my very own personal spine and CBA to even think about any "national spine"14:40
Lava_CroftYes you are a real individual that thinks for himself!14:41
Lava_Croftyou make your own decisions!14:41
* Lava_Croft laughs and heads off14:41
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Lava_CroftCute boy14:41
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DocScrutinizer05while you are remote-controlled by $Netherlands or what?14:43
kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you have to type "j" for ja to the english apt-get prompts?14:44
DocScrutinizer05no, I think apt-get queries are fux0red and you still have to type "y"14:44
DocScrutinizer05iirc it doesn't even understand "j"14:44
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kerioare you sure? because the prompt says "[yn]" but i have to type "s" for sì (yes) or "n" for no (no)14:45
Lava_CroftEconomically, NL is just an extended German province14:45
DocScrutinizer05I dunno since my locale is EN_gb or whatever14:45
keriosuch lack of patriotism14:45
Lava_CroftOn another, lighter note:
Lava_CroftThe story behind SCUMM14:46
DocScrutinizer05btw for anybody breeding weird hopes: Angie will make it for another 4-y term14:47
DocScrutinizer05no matter how much I personally hate that fact14:47
DocScrutinizer05unless she bites the dust befor next term's end14:48
DrathirLava_Croft: can i ask you connecting with?14:56
Drathirbtw that logo looks pooly :/14:57
DocScrutinizer05and on a sidenote to those protesting Greeks, who first faked their balances to get into EU and now bitch at $Germany for not handing out further billions EUR to them with a smile and a "thank you for taking them": EU should NOT give _any_ money to you guys, EU should just confiscate Greek real estate in the vlaue of all the money you already fraudulently tricked out of EU14:58
Lava_Croftyes, just about everyone who studied economy for 2 weeks did not tell the EU that letting countries like Greece in would be a liability15:00
Lava_Croftnot at all15:00
DrathirLava_Croft: to facebook15:00
Lava_Croftyou van really blame the greeks, not the EU itself15:00
Lava_CroftDrathir: nothing atm15:01
Lava_Croftletting countries like greece in was not based on fake greek balance15:01
Lava_Croftit was a political decision15:01
DocScrutinizer05so what? "it's your fault! YOU invited me to your birthday party, now why do you frown at me raping your wife?"15:02
Lava_Croftyou are a fucking retard15:02
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Drathirbtw i good hear that twitter want "fight" with nsa?15:02
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Drathirabout that fbi down site logo its nothing amazing its some kind  old way looks little...15:10
* DocScrutinizer05 loves lava_croft's polite rational way to discuss any of own points of view15:14
* DocScrutinizer05 is temped to post "Meh the Dutch!" but thinks that nobody would realize the irony15:16
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* DocScrutinizer05 doesn't think that letting Greece into EU, based on whatever, created a liability to accept getting bashed as Nazis by those Greek fools, when there's conditions linked to further billions EUR handed over to them15:22
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DocScrutinizer05NB I don't think the conditions are any sane and reasonable, but that's not the point15:23
DocScrutinizer05it's exactly same mindset as that of maemo users bitching at CSSU team for not delivering what those users think they are entitled to15:24
win7macprobably better keep political discussions to our own politics and not get into the minefield of nationalism?15:25
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DocScrutinizer05is that an advice to those greek protesters with their "Angie == Hitler" signs?15:26
DocScrutinizer05not that I'd be up to defend Angie15:26
DocScrutinizer05but that is plain idiotic15:27
win7macan advice to IRC users15:27
win7machaven't seen greek protesters here15:28
DocScrutinizer05btw the Greek innkeepers of my fav restaurant/pub next house are those who blame their Greek countrymen the hardest15:28
DocScrutinizer05when you offer help or gifts to somebody, you generally don't expect to get blamed for that15:30
DocScrutinizer05nothing wrong with "Angie no thanks! we dont want THAT kind of help!", but "Angie == Hitler" honestly??15:32
win7macsure, no doubt sth went wrong there, but is that a topic for here? And how is that related to the NSA-thing which started the discussion?15:33
DocScrutinizer05not really, except maybe by lava_crofts behaviour which strange enough made me think about this topic15:33
win7macAnyway, I don't like to see people leaving because of totally unrelated arguing here15:34
win7macjust my 2 cents15:34
DocScrutinizer05and a faint link to this channel is by discussing general mindset that's perceived extremely annoying which can be found by maemo users who bitch at CSSU team (and other supportive staff)15:34
DocScrutinizer05on the "leaving" topic: (s?)he left to avoid getting kicked for offensive speech15:35
win7macthat's a very fine line you draw there15:36
DocScrutinizer05oh really?15:36
win7macI don't think anybody would kick you15:37
win7macno matter what you said15:38
DocScrutinizer05it's a almost automatic policy: regex "$chanuser->fucking moron"  --> /kick15:38
DocScrutinizer05and you bet I would get (and already got) kicked for same behaviour15:38
win7macSo I heard a story about a fucking moron...15:40
DocScrutinizer05even when it been on reply of a similar insult of $user addressed at me15:40
win7macthought I was supposed to get kicked?!15:40
DocScrutinizer05you don't understand the notation I tried to explain how it works15:41
win7macah ok15:41
DocScrutinizer05you didn't address that at another  chanuser15:41
win7macyeah, got it now15:42
DocScrutinizer05even $self->fucking_moron is only mildly deprecated15:42
DocScrutinizer05$other_chan_user->insult() however is a sure kick15:43
DocScrutinizer05particularly when done in XXX speech15:43
DocScrutinizer05and the fine line is between "your behaviour is idiotic" (allowable), and "you're an idiot" (usually a kick)15:44
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: who blame that blame :/15:45
DocScrutinizer05if you think that policy needs adjustment, you're welcome to discuss it15:45
* Drathir is thankfull for that good works for all of us....15:46
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: (blame) which one particularly?15:47
win7macI think policy is fine15:48
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: i mean about this 14:24 < DocScrutinizer05> it's exactly same mindset as that of maemo users bitching at CSSU team for not delivering what those users  think they are entitled to15:49
win7macwelcome back Lava, waves have smoothed out a bit15:49
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: that's some users though one is outstanding: estel_15:49
Lava_Croftim messing with irssi where the autojoin is still set, my apologies!15:50
psycho_oreosGreece should probably be at least thankful that they (sort of) have EU backing imo.15:50
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psycho_oreosDigging EU economy into a ditch along with Cyprus and probably others.15:50
win7macLava_Croft, no please leave irssi settings as is ;-)15:51
kerioWE LOVE YOU Lava_Croft!15:51
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: yes, that's what I was saying. No matter how Greece made it into EU, it's not tolerable that they are bitching about the help they _are_ offered15:51
Drathirall ppl can have differents mind and opinion, if each other killing (kicking) for opinions noone will left...15:52
Lava_CroftOh, it's not about different minds and positions, it's just about the fact that after having to deal with uninformed parrots IRL, it gets a bit boring on IRC!15:52
Lava_Crofthave fun!15:52
Drathiralso want to someone other thinking the same way isnt good idea...15:53
win7macwe'd rather have fun together with you15:53
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: particularly not when they use Nazi allegations15:54
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, inevitable because that was part of the history but you can't help those "extremists".15:54
Lava_Croftthe extremists are the only ones on both sides that you see on the news15:55
DocScrutinizer05since that is detrimental in two aspects: a) it doesn't really match anything that Angie does,   b) it belittles Nazi assholes15:55
Lava_Croftwhich is bad for the public perception, as is showcased here15:55
psycho_oreosNope, its something for those to rub .de against. The indelible history of what happened. Its sad, but .de isn't the only country alone having to face harsh criticisms about the miserable past.15:56
Lava_Croftthe problem with nazi comparisons is not the comparisons15:56
Lava_Croftits over-sensitive germans taking them seriously15:57
Lava_Croftinstead of realizing that making nazi comparisons in this situation just disqualifies yourself, they get all riled up and angry15:57
Lava_Croftalso realize that the greeks making the nazi comparions are not really greeks that think germans are nazis15:58
Lava_Croftmost of these people are hard-working folks who are now getting royally screwed15:58
psycho_oreosWell you know its as bad as rubbing salt in one's old wound when one is somewhat patriotic of their country.15:58
Lava_Crofton a level that a lot of europeans dont seem to realize15:58
Lava_Croftpoverty in greece is really 'wtf'15:58
Lava_Croftand the largest part of the greeks had shit to do with all of this, they just worked their ass off15:58
Lava_Croftlike i said, on both sides in a small, extremist minority that dictates the discussion15:59
Lava_Croftbut when it comes down to it, the root of the problem was not greece itself15:59
DocScrutinizer05surely not15:59
Lava_Croftthe root was the EU deciding that it was politcally beneficial to have greece join15:59
Lava_Crofthow could they not let greece join15:59
Lava_Croftgreece is the 'heart' of Europe, so to speak15:59
DocScrutinizer05it was even EU not thinking Euro currency union to a proper end16:00
Lava_Croftthere was no economics or anything remotely related to it in play when taking that decision16:00
Lava_Croftyou could say it was purely a marketing/pr decision16:00
DocScrutinizer05EU was like 2let's do it *now*, and deal with the problems later, that inevitably will show up"16:01
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DocScrutinizer05same for countries that roll back the democratization measures they installed to get into EU16:04
DocScrutinizer05See Hungary16:04
Lava_Croftthat was just a showcase of a rather newbie democracy16:04
Lava_Croftthey have yet to master the art of doing such things unnoticed16:05
DocScrutinizer05EU basically has no means to stop any coup d'etat that installs a dictatorship or whatever else evil government16:05
psycho_oreosI think each individual country within EU "conglomerate" have their own issues to sort out as well :) all that requires finances.16:06
psycho_oreosIf they were to cover someone else's butt, something at a loss may most likely be attribute towards it.16:06
Lava_Croftif national politicians stop using the EU as a tool, both positively and negatively, whenever it suits them16:06
DocScrutinizer05then EU would start to be a better place16:07
Lava_CroftNL has had like 5 elections in last 10 years16:07
Lava_Croftmust be awesome as EU to work with such a country16:08
Lava_Croftwhere shit changes every week16:08
Lava_Croftyou never hear that on the news when they cry about the EU being inefficient16:08
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Lava_Crofton one hand people want the EU to have as little influence as possible, but on the other hand, the things that people expect the EU to do require the EU to have much more power than they have now16:09
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Lava_Croftnational politicians are largely to blame for these broken expectations16:09
psycho_oreosI don't know about politicians within EU, but here they are ranked most poorly on the list of trustable people.16:10
DocScrutinizer05here is where?16:12
DocScrutinizer05and do you refer to EU politicians or your local ones?16:12
DocScrutinizer05I gather local ones, since I heard stories about .au politicians16:13
psycho_oreosAny politicians within EU :) I'm all the way over the other side of the globe. The only way I can know of things within EU and other countries is via news or chat, nothing else.16:13
psycho_oreosVirtually any politician in .au has a very poor figure, then the individual ones are also ranked (the popular ones). They too (the popular ones) are ranked poorly, I think even higher number than the politicians in general on the "trustability scale".16:14
DocScrutinizer05it's remarkable how poor the trust in politicians is in USA16:16
psycho_oreosYeah though luckily for the citizens of USA, voting isn't compulsory.. furthermore you won't get fined if you don't vote.16:17
DocScrutinizer05and rightly so, when even large parts of opposition politicians always vote with the government party16:17
psycho_oreosIts more of a free land in US ;)16:19
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: Its more of a free country in US ;)16:19
DocScrutinizer05yeah, with you getting always exactly TWO "options" to choose from16:19
DocScrutinizer05which in the end often turn out to not differ at all, when it comes to the stuff that really matters16:20
DocScrutinizer05I guess GeneralAntilles would have more detail to contribute. My statement here is admittedly based on poor information16:21
DocScrutinizer05and on Moore's films16:22
GeneralAntillesMoore is an evil man16:22
psycho_oreosOnly one would be more knowledgeable (imho) if they were to talk about politics from within the country they are residing in. Media tends to love over-exaggerating, often that can lead to bad assumptions.16:23
GeneralAntillesOne with an agenda (making himself a lot of cash pandering to people's dumb biases)16:23
DocScrutinizer05I kinda agree to that16:24
GeneralAntillesThe screwed up state of US politics is mostly down to centralization of power at the national level.16:24
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DocScrutinizer05I surely didn't take Moore's films for the holy truth16:24
GeneralAntillesThey're not even half truths. ;)16:25
GeneralAntillesCuban healthcare is somehow more admirable than the US system?16:25
GeneralAntillesWell, actually, it's truer now with Obamacare in place.16:27
GeneralAntillesWhat a mess that is16:27
GeneralAntillesHandsout for political cronies and regulatory control for politicians.16:27
DocScrutinizer05oh? did they make a mess out of a good idea? how surprising!16:27
GeneralAntillesThat wasn't a good idea16:28
GeneralAntillesIt was always a handout to cronies and a way for bureaucrats to grab more power.16:29
* amin007110 is wondering why find command in maemo doesn't support -printf and its arguments, while other ppl in channel discussing about politics without paying attention to its basement: Illuminati!16:30
GeneralAntillesDespite the propoganda put out by collectivists, insurance != health care.16:30
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DocScrutinizer05amin007110: apt-get install findutils-gnu16:31
amin007110i tought it already installed, let me check.16:31
DocScrutinizer05well, then a "which find" might reveal your problem16:31
DocScrutinizer05which I guess is in your $PATH16:32
amin007110-printf "%s %U:%G %#m "16:32
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Sicelocheck for `gfind`16:34
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# find --version16:36
DocScrutinizer05find (GNU findutils) 4.4.216:36
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# which find16:36
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# echo $PATH16:36
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amin007110well, findutils not installed.16:37
Lava_CroftDrathir: I use bitlbee to connect to fb chat16:37
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# apt-cache policy findutils-gnu16:37
DocScrutinizer05  Installed: 4.4.2-1maemo716:38
Siceloi have 4.4.2-1maemo816:38
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's the "bugfixed" version I created on my local copy manually16:38
DocScrutinizer05I guess16:39
DocScrutinizer05do you have a changelog of that version, by any means?16:39
Siceloaha.. gfind is a symlink to /usr/bin/gnu/find .. i was getting worried16:40
DocScrutinizer05g* --> gnu/*16:40
DrathirLava_Croft: O.o nice i dont know that uts api works again...16:41
Drathirthanks i must check again how this looks like...16:42
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: how's life?16:42
amin007110How to connect to wifi in busybox with iwconfig? any dhclient alternative ?16:42
psycho_oreosamin007110, iwconfig can only support WEP.16:43
DocScrutinizer05amin007110: I guess you'll run into trouble by fighting ICD2 with direct iwconfig commands16:43
amin007110So impossible to connect to WPA-PSK in terminal ?16:43
psycho_oreos^ that too unless you stop the daemon.16:44
DocScrutinizer05not impossible16:44
psycho_oreosWell, the default maemo5 doesn't include wpa_supplicant. You might need that for starters.16:44
DocScrutinizer05just you need a completely different approach16:44
DocScrutinizer05if you want to connect to WLAN in a standard maemo5 system you need to use maemo means16:45
DocScrutinizer05it's around dbus signals and ICD2 and stuff like that, not related to iwconfig16:45
DocScrutinizer05sorry I have no proper URL at hand right now16:46
psycho_oreosBesides there's nothing really wrong with connecting WLAN through standard means.16:46
DocScrutinizer05you *might* find something useful to the topic (a starting point at least), in:16:46
infobotphonecontrol is, like,
amin007110i think i have this installed16:47
DocScrutinizer05it's not about the "app", it's about the wiki page16:48
DocScrutinizer05  for example16:49
amin007110i see16:49
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anthonieon topic:
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, getting ready to sell the house.16:57
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DocScrutinizer05anthonie: YEAH!17:01
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anthonieDocScrutinizer05, Couldn't resist after hearing it in my head while reading the discussion :D17:06
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DocScrutinizer05anthonie: I'm more in love with this one:
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anthonieDocScrutinizer05, t'was a lifetime, I last heard that! Hope my neighbours enjoy guitar...17:15
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anthonienice one, you enjoy Don van Vliet as well?17:25
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DrCodehi all18:36
DrCodeis there more mobile phone that run meamo?18:36
DrCodeI remmber I read some but not remmber module18:36
DrCodenot from nokia18:36
M4rtinK2IIRC, some mythical devices released in China or Japan ?18:37
M4rtinK2but not really phones, more like weird small tablets18:37
psycho_oreosYeah maybe run on a hacked version of symbian that looks like maemo LOL18:37
psycho_oreosI don't think there's other devices with phone functionality that would run maemo. (btw you spelt maemo wrong :p)18:38
DrCodeany idea?18:38
DrCodeor mybe it was mego18:39
DrCodedon't remmber18:39
psycho_oreosn9/50 runs harmattan, which would loosely apply the category within maemo family.18:39
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psycho_oreosThere was other derivatives (I think), one of them was tizen and now the other is sailfish/jolla. These derivatives follow closely to n9's design (i.e. touch only).18:40
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amin007110trying to install findutils-gnu... sub-process post-removal script returned error. trying to overwrite /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/es which is also used in package leafpad.18:45
amin007110how to reslove ?18:46
DrCodefound it18:47
DrCodewhat is openmoko vs meamo?18:47
DrCodeits freerunner , I see it now18:49
DrCoden900 have much better hardware18:49
psycho_oreosOpenmoko freerunner would have been somewhat a little more competitive had the newer prototype projects it had managed to get into the hands of the community.18:51
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DrCodeI see18:52
DrCodebut it seems that this  project is dead18:52
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DocScrutinizer05openmoko inc is dead, yeah18:53
infobotjoerg is probably a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer18:53
DocScrutinizer05gta04 is not exactly an openmoko device18:54
DrCodewow , nice18:54
DocScrutinizer05see gta04.org18:54
DocScrutinizer05though it *is* "in the hands of community", it's not exactly considered competitive18:54
DocScrutinizer05by some users18:54
XierraHello, I there a device that can install Maemo?18:55
DocScrutinizer05yes, there are plenty18:55
DrCodeDocScrutinizer05, nice device gta0418:55
DocScrutinizer05770, N800, N810, N810WIMAX, N900. And with a bit of good will you could count in N9 and N95018:56
DocScrutinizer05I also heard of some successful installations of some sort of maemo on beagleboard18:57
XierraThe are discontinued. Can I install maemo on an Android device. Like Galaxy S4?18:57
DocScrutinizer05yinevertheless I guess what you actually asked for would have to get answerd by "no"18:58
DocScrutinizer05actually, NO at your last question18:58
DocScrutinizer05maemo is discontinued, in the sense you use the term18:59
psycho_oreosIt was also specifically written for nokia devices.18:59
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DocScrutinizer05that's why it's discontinued19:00
psycho_oreosYup, nokia decided to be m$'s ******... well you get what I mean :)19:00
DocScrutinizer05because it's designed/written for Nokia devices and because it contains closed blobs on several core components19:00
XierraI think N900 is the best.. But there are no parts or new devices to buy.19:01
DocScrutinizer05well, you can find "new" N900 every now and then19:01
DocScrutinizer05when searching hard19:01
SiceloDocScrutinizer05 or anyone... do we know how this was produced - ?19:02
DocScrutinizer05somebody attached a serial converter to the testpoints behind battery19:02
* amin007110 is pondering 'dpkg --force-things' to implant in 'apt-get -o' and bypass the error, but don't know which one is which. Though overwrite doesn't work.19:02
psycho_oreosXierra, a few of us already owns more than one N900 already :) they maybe old, they maybe outdated, etc. We still love them nonetheless :D19:02
Sicelothat last page seems 'vague' :-/19:03
DocScrutinizer05(btw I guess you could've used "what links to here")19:03
psycho_oreosamin007110, not a particularly good idea, you lose the package that is to be overwritten.19:03
amin007110psycho_oreos, Saw the error ?19:04
DocScrutinizer05ooh, not easy to find on maemo wiki19:04
psycho_oreosamin007110, yeah I did.19:04
amin007110well, maybe removing leafpad does the things.19:05
psycho_oreosYou could rewrite/repack the deb as well.19:05
DocScrutinizer05amin007110: please open a ticket against both packages19:05
amin007110DocScrutinizer05, bug?19:06
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amin007110I think me, myself, already am a bug! HeHe.19:07
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psycho_oreosamin007110, which versions of leafpad and findutils-gnu you have/trying to install?19:08
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psycho_oreos woot!19:22
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psycho_oreosOne thing you could never do that on n9 without installing all sorts of weird hacks to allow the device to behave :P.19:27
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DocScrutinizer05blaergh! >>Security Framework initialized<<
DocScrutinizer05double-blaergh! >>[    1.248687] Reserving DMA channels 0 and 1 for HS ROM code<<19:44
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DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: I think that's the cam-app-selector I asked for since ~18 months19:49
DocScrutinizer05it's dead simple, just have a symlink point to the right binary19:50
DocScrutinizer05needs a reboot but heck what19:50
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, didn't know you wanted that. You can't install A better camera and still retain blessn900. It conflicts/replaces blessn900 when you try to install A better camera.19:51
DocScrutinizer05blame maintainers for packaging in a very hostile way that hijacks the device19:52
psycho_oreosPackage is called cl-laucher. Hostile way it hijacks the device? heh that's news to me.19:54
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: don't argue, doc knows it better ;)19:55
psycho_oreosfreemangordon, I was merely curious :S tried to search up info about it and found nothing so far.19:55
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: do you argue that cssu nicocam kicks out stock cam?19:55
DocScrutinizer05without any need to actually do so19:56
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: sure it does, but it does it on purpose19:56
freemangordonfixing the bugs IS perfectly valid reason19:56
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's what bill gates said when deleting netscape from windows while installing msie19:57
freemangordonand the stuttering video recording(in stock camera) is severe bug in my book19:57
DocScrutinizer05the stuttering video recording *I* never been able to reproduce19:58
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: so? there is a bug on BMO. And *I* was able to reproduce it19:59
DocScrutinizer05I however *can* (occasionally) reproduce DSP hangups with nicocam that you say are impossible or unrelated, yet I do see them on nicocam but never on stock cam19:59
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: the fact that you're not able to reproduce it doesn't make it invalid or WONTFIX19:59
DocScrutinizer05aaah good to hear that ;-P20:00
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: exactly, the same for what you report20:00
freemangordonI've never said (IIRC) your report is invalid. Just that I am not able to reproduce it.20:01
DocScrutinizer05the core bug however is to replace a component with sth completely different (even completely new GUI) without offering user any choice20:01
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: BTW once KCSSU is in -T, I suspect your DSP crashes will be gone.20:02
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I understand your reasoning, just don;t agree with it. I can't accept that a bugfix is optional. Call me dictator, I am fine with that :P20:03
DocScrutinizer05ok, so your bugs you can't reproduce are madatory for everybody else then?20:04
freemangordonhmm? why do you twist my words?20:04
DocScrutinizer05I don't twist them20:04
DocScrutinizer05you say you forcefeed a buggy vwersion of cam to everybody, based on your very personal view that you can't reproduce the bug in that version you push while you take the bug that you but not me can reproduce as an argument why stock cam has to get nuked20:06
freemangordonyou do. the bug is NOT in nicocam, it is either in DSP driver or in some other kernel code. It *could* be caused by the difference in the timings between stock/nikocak, but it is not a bug in nicocam20:06
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DocScrutinizer05tbh I don't give a fart on that rationale20:06
DocScrutinizer05I see the bug with nicocam, but not with stock20:06
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: sure20:07
DocScrutinizer05and since your mileage varies, you opt for nicocam to forcefeed it to everybody incl me20:07
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: lets continue that conversation after the kernel in CSSU20:07
freemangordons/in/is in/20:08
infobotfreemangordon meant: DocScrutis inizer05: lets continue that conversation after the kernel in CSSU20:08
DocScrutinizer05no, since that doesn't change anything about the basic policy applied here20:08
freemangordongood replacement20:08
DocScrutinizer05tbh I don't think I will ever update from cssu-t7 to anything newer20:09
DocScrutinizer05cssu wandered out of the rage of what I want to get on my daily phone20:10
DocScrutinizer05and I struggled hard to get rid of nokia MP dictatorship. Don't want to trade in what I got now for a new dictatorship courtesy freemangordon20:14
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991 and me invested quite some time to come up with a feasible non-dictatorship way to handle stuff. This now is a reason for the estels of this world to bash us20:19
DocScrutinizer05(btw based on a thorough ignorance how that concept was meant to work, and alleging some BS nonsense like "additional new repositories" and whatnot)20:26
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DocScrutinizer05everybody is bragging about "I never use HAM, I use fapman or apt-get exclusively, to update to new CSSU", but when it comes to optional packages like nicocam not possible to install via HAM until it got fixed/patched, and you *had* to use apt-get or fapman to install the _alternative_ nicocam (or any other alternative package), instead of forcefeeding it to everybody, then suddenly that's a showstopper for ending MP dictatorship20:30
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DocScrutinizer05a sad and pathetic argument20:30
psycho_oreosI don't get it, nicocam is the standard camera program that is already included in maemo5 firmwares?20:31
DocScrutinizer05no, nicocam is the camera that comes with cssu-t20:31
psycho_oreoso.O another camera software? sheesh there's going to be so many camera programs lol.20:33
DocScrutinizer05the one with the awesome AF-distance display that makes a 1m distance show as 3m when you point down, and as 45cm when you point up20:33
psycho_oreosAhh yeah that's the standard camera with the new stuff on top.20:33
DocScrutinizer05(thanks to AF motor also needs to compensate for weight of lens)20:34
psycho_oreosI'd also be curious to see if I can reproduce that DSP error. I guess two users having issue is better than one :D20:37
psycho_oreoss/having issue/having the same issue/20:37
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: I'd also be curious to see if I can reproduce that DSP error. I guess two users having the same issue is better than one :D20:37
DocScrutinizer05I don't worry about any of that anymore20:37
DocScrutinizer05as already mentioned I opted out of any CSSU dictatorship20:38
DocScrutinizer05I leave it to the estels of this world to bitch about the one and only mandatory meal available for everybody is not exactly what _they_ like best, and fight for stuff to get more salt, red pepper, and anchovis20:40
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DocScrutinizer05while others think the meat in it should get replaced by tofu20:41
DocScrutinizer05I revert to home cooking ;-)20:42
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: if you want to verify/check something, you can try if you get stuutering video recording on stock cam20:46
DocScrutinizer05since that is the main argument why stock cam _has_ to get replaced by nicocam20:47
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, the inevitable thing is that I think I have stock cam installed :/ running the latest testing release of CSSU-T flavour.20:48
DocScrutinizer05(still lacks the rationale why we must forbid all users to keep stock cam, but oh well...)20:48
psycho_oreoserr nicocam*20:48
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: you can revert that from nicocam to stock cam easily, since there actually is zilch reason why nicocam has to be mandatory in cssu-t, except freemangordon not liking the idea to give users freedom of choice20:49
DocScrutinizer05just you probably uninstall MP package during that20:51
DocScrutinizer05due to conflicts20:51
psycho_oreoshmm I could play nasty and repack that deb ;) though needs more work.20:51
DocScrutinizer05I didn't look into the details for quite some time, so my statements on how to revert to stock cam and what side effects are maybe fuzzy20:52
DocScrutinizer05the simplest thing is to copy the stock cam binary back on device when it got nuked by cssu installation/update, and then just adjust the symlink20:53
psycho_oreosYeah that's another way, would probably be a hell lot easier than repacking the deb.20:53
DocScrutinizer05this will not reflect in apt/HAM whatever package list of installed packages, and will possibly get nuked again on next installation/update of cssu20:54
DocScrutinizer05but maybe that's a benefit of this method, rather than a downside20:54
DocScrutinizer05or you ask kerio about dpkg-divert20:56
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amin007110psycho_oreos, findutils-gnu_4.4.2-1maemo8 and leafpad_0.8.171e-0maemo120:57
keriopsycho_oreos: dpkg-divert --add /usr/bin/camera-ui /opt/nicocam_wat_r_u_doin_nicocam_pls_stahp20:59
kerioer, yeah, the .launch20:59
DocScrutinizer05for your convenience20:59
keriothe latest nicocam has maemo-launcher support20:59
kerioi think, at least21:03
DocScrutinizer05so indeed you'd need a second symlink, from /usr/sbin/camera-ui.launch to either */stock-camera-ui.bin or */nicocam.bin, to make that simple camera-app chooser now21:03
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DocScrutinizer05while first symlink from usr/sbin/camera-ui to maemo-launcher stays unchanged21:04
DocScrutinizer05err, you're sure this is in /usr/sbin?21:05
kerioi said /usr/bin21:05
DocScrutinizer05I might have introduced a oopsie when I uploaded and provided that file on cloud-721:06
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ll /usr/bin/*cam*21:06
DocScrutinizer05lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     13 2012-12-26 15:55 /usr/bin/camera-ui -> maemo-invoker21:06
DocScrutinizer05-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 140268 2012-10-31 11:58 /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch21:06
DocScrutinizer05-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   1308 2012-10-31 11:58 /usr/bin/camera-ui-set-priority21:06
DocScrutinizer05my fault21:06
MacerDocScrutinizer05: yeah heh. i don't know. maybe it is because the forum post on it is so old21:06
Macerbut for the life of me i can't seem to get pan working21:07
psycho_oreosI got a segfault when trying to run that binary from SSH heh.21:07
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: you can't "run" it ;)21:07
DocScrutinizer05that binary can't get run in shell21:07
freemangordonyou need,err... maemo-summoner?21:08
DocScrutinizer05it's meant to get launched by maemo-laucher aka maemo-invoker21:08
DocScrutinizer05or -summoner, whatever21:08
psycho_oreoshmm otoh I ran it through the "normal" way, whilst recording just whatever is on my screen and moving around I get lags every few seconds.21:08
psycho_oreosmaemo-invoker does sound familiar, gonna try that lol. Yeah my bad, got a habit of just running as it is through the shell.21:08
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: stock camera binary?21:08
freemangordon(for the lags that is)21:09
psycho_oreosfreemangordon, whatever DocScrutinizer05 provided. I'm still not sure what kerio said about diverting.. need to do some digging first.21:09
Macerand i guess the power kernel doesn't have bridge support21:09
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: the problem is not that it stutters while recording, the problem is that the recorded video stutters21:10
DocScrutinizer05what I provided is PR1.3 stock21:10
Macerfor iptables ? :-/21:10
* Macer bangs his head21:10
kerioMacer: the latest power kernel supports bridging21:10
psycho_oreosfreemangordon, yup that happened as a result, stuttered video recording, stuttered video playback (through osso-mediaplayer)21:10
kerioyou just need a brctl, which is included in busybox-power21:10
kerioand the latest bluez, or you'll go mad21:10
Macerkerio: i have busybox-power installed21:10
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: so, before making conclusions, make sure you've watched the video on your PC, just in case21:10
kerioit's on luf's archive21:10
keriowhich kernel-power?21:11
Macer50 i believe21:11
kerionot the latest21:11
kerioFAR from being the latest21:11
Maceris the latest on devel?21:11
freemangordonafaik, yes21:11
psycho_oreosfreemangordon, deleted the video lol. Trying again (this time I'm going to try maemo-invoker instead)21:11
kerioinstall some of those things21:11
keriothere's bridge-utils too21:11
keriowhich i forgot21:11
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: wait21:11
freemangordonyou should have camera-ui and camera-ui launch in /usr/bin21:12
keriothen i don't quite know how to *start* pan from the n90021:12
keriobut i can definetely start it from my laptop21:12
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: just run camera-ui (which is a symlink to maemo-launcher)21:12
Macerkerio: so you are using pan to connect?21:12
kerioi'm telling you how to establish a connection21:12
kerioinstall those things, then configure a NAP21:12
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: you also can't simply start that binary as a camera, while the other one is already preloaded in background (not sure if it is or not)21:12
kerioin /etc/bluetooth/network.conf21:13
Macerah ok21:13
psycho_oreosfreemangordon, I've placed camera-ui.launch in /usr/bin. Renamed my cssu version of camera-ui.launch as camera-ui.launch.cssu. Made it executable as well via chmod.21:13
Macerkerio: thanks. i'll start on it in a minute21:13
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: :nod:, it registers DBUS service iirc21:13
kerioonce you can ping from both sides, you can do the usual thing to share an internet connection21:13
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: then do killall camera-ui21:13
Maceri'm looking for the newer power kernel21:13
freemangordonmaking sure you have camera-ui.launch in /usr/bin21:14
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, yeah I found out through maemo-invoker, it dies lol. Alright going through normal method, bit annoyed how I can't see any useful output if going through normal way.21:14
psycho_oreosfreemangordon, so do killall camera-ui before running camera normally right?21:14
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: and make sure you do that as user, not as root21:14
kerioMacer: kp52 is on merlin's extras-devel i guess21:14
kerionot sure if rmo's extras-devel was reverted21:14
keriobut i doubt it21:14
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: I suggest a rebot, just to be on safe side of fence21:14
DocScrutinizer05reboot even21:14
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: yep, assuming you have the correct binary in the correct place21:14
freemangordonor reboot21:15
Macerkerio: apparently not21:15
psycho_oreosMm not too keen on reboots lol. I just did killall camera-ui as user:users.21:15 extras-devel has 5021:15
DocScrutinizer05kerio: reverted?21:16
kerioidk, restored from some old-as-shit backup for some weird reason21:17
kerioi don't even know if kp50 is even still there21:17
freemangordonkerio: tried the new -thumb?21:17
keriowhat's the new thumb?21:17
keriowhat's new?21:17
freemangordontracker, for instance21:17
kerioOH MY GOD21:18
Macerok. i just enabled merlin's repo21:18
kerioomg omg omg omg omg21:18
kerionew packages21:18
kerioloads of new packages21:18
Lava_Croftif it mentions tracker i sure for god hope you mean you kill it!21:18
kerioALL the thumbs21:18
kerioneat, new h-d?21:19
freemangordonand hildon and hildon-thumbnailer21:19
kerio50% more thumb for each thumb21:19
psycho_oreosThere's minor lags with the video, one major lag happened around 10-11 seconds of the recorded video. At the same time when the video recording was being undertaken I did notice the device did lag.21:19
* Macer looks around for kp5221:20
* Macer pokes his n900 with a stick21:20
psycho_oreosI think Pali has kp52 in his repo plus a few other nice tools.21:20
freemangordonMacer: kp52 should be in extras-devel21:20
Macerwow... quite the decentralization there huh?21:20
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: is that "usual" general system lag?21:20
kerioit's on extras-devel too i swear21:20
kerioMacer: seriously21:20
keriopastebin the output of `apt-cache policy kernel-power` please21:21
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: device lagging is pretty normal IMO while recoding video21:21
Macerfreemangordon: it is not. i have extras-devel enabled21:21
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, that's the question in which I'm not sure. I could try recording again and this time I'm going to have htop running on my laptop's screen.21:21
freemangordonMacer: what distribution, fremantle or fremantle-pr1.321:21
DocScrutinizer05you could try to stop or kill trackerd21:21
psycho_oreosfreemangordon, true, then again I'll give one more poke with htop on.21:21
DocScrutinizer05and stinky relatives21:22
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: won't help, you need to pause it ;)21:22
Maceri have merlin's repo enabled21:22
Macerand extras-devel21:22
keriowhich merlin's repo?21:22
Macerand i still get 5021:22
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: what's the size of your eventsdb?21:22
kerioi'm talking about extras-devel.merlin1991.at21:22
keriowhat the FUCK21:23
keriofreemangordon: extras-devel only has 51r121:23
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, err not sure what you mean. du -h /etc/events.d?21:23
keriothe rmo one21:23
kerioon extras-devel-light, there's kp5221:23
kerioDocScrutinizer05: what the fuck21:23
kerioPali: what the fuck21:23
kerioall of my whats21:23
keriofreemangordon: phone reported booting21:24
DocScrutinizer05psy ls -l /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/*21:24
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: ^^^21:24
kerioDocScrutinizer05: did you guys restore something in repository.?21:24
Lava_Crofttime to upgrade thumbs21:24
DocScrutinizer05kerio: ask merlin199121:24
Macerkerio: i guess that explains why i was having such a rough go at it21:25
Lava_Croftawesome, conflicting pkgs21:25
Macerthe repos are a mess heh21:25
freemangordonLava_Croft: which packages?21:25
kerioDr. Scrutinizer or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Uninstall the Metapackage21:25
freemangordonLava_Croft: what?21:26
Lava_Crofthildon-thumbnailer, for sake of exactness21:26
Macerkernel-power: Installed: 1:2.6.28-10power50 Candidate: 1:2.6.28-10power5021:26
Lava_CroftHAM says it conflicts with hildon-thumbnail21:26
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freemangordonLava_Croft: what do you use to upgrade?21:26
Lava_Croft 2026   Lava_Croft : HAM says it conflicts with hildon-thumbnail21:26
Macermaybe i will just download a kernel img or something from somewhere later21:27
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freemangordonLava_Croft: makes no sense, as it INSTALLS hildon-thumbnailer21:27
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, 40k on el.db, 576k on el-v1-before-restore.db and 696k on el-v1.db21:27
kerioMacer: deb fremantle free non-free21:27
Lava_Crofti cant help it:<21:27
keriothe cool repository for cool people21:27
DocScrutinizer05Macer: when you enable then you want to disbale extras-devel21:27
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: that's "sane"21:28
kerioDocScrutinizer05: mmh, it shouldn't take priority21:28
freemangordonLava_Croft: you can, you have to remember what did you do on your device and revert it :)21:28
MacerDocScrutinizer05: why does merlin have pkgs that doesn't?21:28
psycho_oreosAlso finished recording with htop running through SSH, it seems to report camera-ui taking some of the process. There's usage well beyond 30% not even reported by htop (hmph).21:28
Lava_Croftfreemangordon: i did nothing to hildon-thumbnailer21:28
DocScrutinizer05because of repo-management is fubar21:28
Macerah ok21:28
Lava_Croftits just a device with cssu21:28
Lava_Croftrecently flashed21:28
Lava_Croftno weird stuff is done to it21:29
Lava_Croftand certainly not to hildon-thumbnail21:29
DocScrutinizer05and autobuilder as well, basically21:29
kerioMacer: extras-devel-light is not a mirror, it's replicated21:29
freemangordonLava_Croft: may I have your hildon-thumbnailer version?21:29
keriobut it only replicates newer versions21:29
psycho_oreosdmesg has some interestsing information: [10382.485900] ***** DSPMMU FAULT ***** IRQStatus 0x221:29
keriokp52 *was* on some time in the past21:30
keriofreemangordon: bluetooth devices in the file manager are neat!21:30
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: with stock cam?21:30
freemangordonLava_Croft: make sure to "Refresh" from the HAM's menu21:30
Lava_Croftfreemangordon: thats the only way to get it to update, ever21:31
psycho_oreosfreemangordon, hard to tell :/ if only I can interpret what that time/date means in paranthesis.21:31
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: that's the cultprit I'd say21:31
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, only happened once in my log. Now I just need to find out how to interpret the date/time to see if I was using camera-ui (stock version) at the time or not.21:32
DocScrutinizer05it's probably seconds since boot21:32
freemangordonLava_Croft: hmm, maybe I screwed dependencies somehow, lemme check21:32
Lava_Croftfreemangordon: it's because its such a weird thing, hildon-thumbnail isnt exactly a pkg known for all of the tweaks21:33
Lava_Croftor whatever21:33
Lava_Croftso chances that any user screwed that up dont seem large21:33
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, it is :/ not very useful. I'm going to pastebin the log and I'll paste the link about that weird timestamp format.21:34
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DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: I can't help on that21:34
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psycho_oreosYeah :/ blah! I'll need to setup that format properly grrr... >:/21:35
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: open/close your slider while looking at the watch, then check timestamp of that event in dmesg21:35
DocScrutinizer05the rest it math21:35
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: syslog has nicer timestamps21:36
freemangordonLava_Croft: yep, my fault, I forgot to add that to the metapackage :(. And seems HAM/apt is stupid and can't resolve the dependencies21:36
Lava_Croftyay my N900 isbt broken21:37
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders how a bunch of such brilliant hackers can cling to a concept like MP21:37
psycho_oreos644 with slider in/out deducted from when the last of that message was printed. I think I do have syslog, not sure though.21:37
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yep, libhildon1 depends on hildon-thumbnail thumb version, it is in the repo. the result is ^^^ :(21:38
freemangordonLava_Croft: did you upgrade with apt-get?21:39
DocScrutinizer05you ever considered updating with osso-backup app restore?21:39
Lava_Croftthe first and last time i did that it made N900 angry21:40
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freemangordonshit, libhildon1 is not upgraded too :(21:41
freemangordonok, going to make a new -mp21:42
Lava_Croftdidnt you test it: :)21:43
freemangordonLava_Croft: I did21:43
freemangordonbut seems my test procedure isn't the best around :D21:43
Lava_Crofti should use my other N900 for these things, but thats just boring21:44
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, looks like I'm able to replicate that DSP MMU error :) I was dumping dmesg every so often. I got errors in regards to memory_sync_page and proc_memory_sync. After I finished recording I ran osso-mediaplayer, selected the newly created video and at the same time closed camera lens. Bingo DSP MMU fault!21:44
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freemangordonLava_Croft: I tested on 2 devices, installed packages by hand on my devel device, to be sure it won;t break. and upgraded via HAM on my everyday device21:44
freemangordonLava_Croft: but didn't checked if everything got updated on my everyday device21:45
freemangordonmy fault21:45
Lava_Croftlesson learned! :D21:45
Lava_Croftzero harm done too21:46
Lava_Croftgood old ham, right21:46
* Lava_Croft coughs21:46
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: yes, sounds familiar21:46
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, that is in dmesg's words :D21:47
Macergot power updated to 5221:48
Macerheh.. lets see what happens21:48
* Macer reboots21:48
Macerso what is the point of pc-connectivity?21:49
Macerif it doesn't work? heh21:49
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DocScrutinizer05OMAP mailbox, HAH21:51
freemangordonLava_Croft: should be fixed, please test21:54
psycho_oreosyeah I have no clue what omap mailbox is but if that's what you wanted I guess you now have two affected users :)21:55
freemangordonthis is what is used for communication between CPU and DSP (omap mailbox)21:56
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: are you on stock DSP drivers? no 720p?21:57
psycho_oreosfreemangordon, ahh. I think the DSP drivers are stock, if you're talking about the one under lib/dsp. Definitely no 720p21:58
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: yep21:58
* psycho_oreos personally doesn't like to do overclocking.21:58
Lava_Croftfreemangordon: moment21:59
goldkatzeDo you guys have the same issue? aptitude install maesynth --> python-pygame: Depends: libsdl-ttf2.0 (>= 2.0.9) which is a virtual package.21:59
* Macer facepalms21:59
Macerok.. time out again21:59
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: hmm? you don;t need to OC21:59
Macerbut on the brighter side brctl works21:59
Macerkerio: i'll install bluez in a minute and edit the conf like you said21:59
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freemangordonpsycho_oreos: i meant - you can install Harm DSP codecs without OC and you'll have lot more supported video formats22:00
psycho_oreosfreemangordon, *shrugs* I've read somewhere on (probably old thread) tmo that DSP needed overclocking for 720p support.22:01
psycho_oreosAhh! now that I didn't know.22:01
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: yes22:01
freemangordonbut only for 720p ;)22:01
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freemangordonfor lower resolutions you don;t need to OC22:01
Lava_Croftoh, by the way22:02
Lava_Croftthe only way to install ovi maps nowadays is by hand?22:02
Lava_Croftthe maps itself, that is22:02
Lava_Croftfreemangordon: it installs22:02
psycho_oreosfreemangordon, yeah I just intend to leave it as it is. Trying to somehow preserve the device/s for as long as I can.22:02
goldkatzeLava_Croft: There are "installable" maps? Here it just downloads map data as needed, no offline caching22:03
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Lava_Croftyou could always preload the maps via PC Suite/Ovi Suite22:03
goldkatzeerr, no pre-loading for offline use, i meant.22:03
Lava_Croftor copy them over by hand22:03
goldkatzeI see22:03
Lava_Croftbut iirc the way its done has changed and it doesnt work anymore with pc/ovi/nokia suite22:03
Lava_Croftit downloads them, but fails to actually install/preload them22:04
Lava_Croftwondering if there's any other way by now22:04
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Lava_Croftn9 ovi maps client can preload maps from within the app itself, but not on the n900 :<22:04
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: mailbox is a fifo in ARM, for processes possibly running on different cores to exchange data22:04
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DocScrutinizer05or just what freemangordon said :-)22:05
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Macerso pc-connectivity-manager isn't even needed ?22:06
freemangordonMacer: afaik it is FUBAR on fremantle22:06
freemangordoncould be wrong though, it was long time ago I tested it22:07
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Lava_Croftfreemangordon: seems it worked22:08
Macerok. so all i really need is kp52, bluez from merlin, bridge-utils and to edit the /etc/bluetooth/network.conf22:08
Macerand i should be able to use pan22:08
Macerthen i guess configure some routing in order for the tablet to actually connect?22:08
DocScrutinizer05I think freemangordon is right22:08
Macerthe term utils in android suck tho :-/ completely stripped down22:08
DocScrutinizer05pc-connectivity never been *ported* to fremantle22:09
Lava_Croftterminal usage and android is a bad combo indeed22:09
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, yup I picked that up from freemangordon.22:09
MacerLava_Croft: yeah but i need it to ping22:10
Macerand list interfaces22:10
Macerand ifconfig is awful heh22:10
psycho_oreosfreemangordon, so I guess the case is now relevant? both Doc and myself have DSP MMU faults :D22:10
Maceri don't even know what interface it uses for pan22:10
freemangordonpsycho_oreos: could you try the same sequence with the stock camera?22:10
DocScrutinizer05I had a fair share of driver-coding for ARM mailbox, at st-e22:10
* Macer has been banging his head on a desk for hours trying to get this stupid android tablet to tether with his n900 22:11
psycho_oreosfreemangordon, err that was with the stock camera. I mean using DocScrutinizer05's camera-ui.launch and I did killall camera-ui (as user) as per requested.22:12
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: ^^^22:12
psycho_oreosI haven't tried CSSU's version of the camera-ui though.22:13
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DocScrutinizer05PrimeCell® Inter-Processor Communications Module (PL320) ...22:13
DocScrutinizer05aka "mailbox"22:13
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: now, do you agree with my theory that this is not a problem with camera-ui, rather buggy DSPBIOS or codecs22:14
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ok with me, it shows that the stuttering is fairly reproducable22:14
DocScrutinizer05I never doubted that it's related to DSP22:14
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: and I've never seen those as I use Harm DSP codec nodes22:15
DocScrutinizer05makes sense22:15
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: sure, my point is that we have the same behaviour with both stock and nikocam22:15
DocScrutinizer05possibly the blobs in HARM are a newer version22:15
freemangordonfor sure they are :)22:16
DocScrutinizer05otoh the old ones *might* have workarounds for SiErr in 353022:16
DocScrutinizer05though the probability is low22:16
freemangordonwhy is that?22:17
freemangordonhmm don;t we have 3430?22:17
freemangordonoh, well22:17
DocScrutinizer05I think we have a 353022:17
freemangordonit is 343022:17
DocScrutinizer05but the difference is marginal22:17
DocScrutinizer05prolly one is HS while the other is not22:18
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freemangordonyep, GSM support one of them22:18
freemangordonthat one too22:18
DocScrutinizer05or one is aftermarket while other is for the big guys22:18
Macerthe pkg on merlin's site doesn't have a /etc/bluetooth/network.conf22:18
Maceris there some more documentation on configuring pan somewhere?22:19
Macerthat explains how the network.conf looks?22:19
Macerthe bluez page refers to pand22:21
Maceris that not necessary?22:21
DocScrutinizer05fsck u arm.com22:21
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DocScrutinizer05btw a funny detail about mailbox (well at least to me it been funny since I first seen this there): some of the channels are only accessable in secure context while others are accessable from both contexts22:31
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Macerguess i'm getting closer to a solution22:34
Maceri have all the networking devices there at least now :)22:34
Macerbut it appears as tho i need to create the bridge manually22:34
Macermaybe i just don't fully understand the concept of how pan works22:34
Macerand i should read up on its fundamentals to better understand it22:34
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brolin_empeyMacer: Are you PAN-handling? ;-)22:38
brolin_empeyMacer: PAN-handling for cache? ;-)22:39
Macernow i'm getting service record not available22:41
Maceri think i went backwards22:41
Macerif i had a S4 this would just work lol22:42
Macerso now i can't create bnep022:42
Macerthis is proving too difficult22:42
* brolin_empey uses POTS and PANs instead of pots and pans.22:43
Macerand with no real documentation other than some scattered unrelated to maemo bluez info i don't have much to work with22:43
Macerblah. this sucks.22:43
* Macer facepalms22:44
Macerwhere the hell did i lose the ability to make the bnep022:45
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brolin_empeyHurray for still not even being fully dressed after noon on Saturday. :P22:45
Macernow all i have for a profule is "media audio" on the android tablet22:46
Maceromg fuck this i need a break. i doubt i'll ever get this working22:46
kerioMacer: there's a setting in network.conf to specify a script to run when setting up the bridge22:58
keriothe bridge should be created automatically though22:58
Macerkerio: after installing those pkgs from merlin's repo i no longer see the ability to connect via pan from the tablet22:59
Maceras though the profile is gone22:59
kerioby any chance, is "network" in the disabled modules in main.conf?22:59
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Maceri don't even see the owrd "network" in the main.conf23:00
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Maceryou're talking about /etc/bluetooth/main.conf correct?23:00
kerioalso, stop and start bluetooth i guess23:00
keriooh, and bnep0 shouldn't be the bridge name23:01
keriobecause it's the single interface that gets created automatically on connection23:01
Maceri'm guessing bnep0 is created by the tablet23:01
Macerthe bridge name is pan123:01
keriostop bluetooth, start bluetooth23:01
keriodo you see a pan1 interface in ifconfig -a?23:02
Macerbut like i said. the profile isn't showing up anymore23:02
Maceri had to create it manually23:02
keriocan you pastebin your network.conf?23:02
Maceri don't have one... i installed the deb23:02
Macerbut there is no network.conf23:02
Maceryeah i was a bit confused about that too23:02
keriothen why do you expect for it to be one?23:02
keriocreate it!23:02
kerio[NAP Role]23:02
Maceri was looking fr an example heh23:02
keriothose two lines23:02
keriowhatever you put there in btnap is going to be the bridge23:03
kerioyou're supposed to leave the bnep* interfaces alone, they're going to be created automagically23:03
keriothen configure your bridge interface23:03
keriocheck with brctl if it exists once you restart bluetoothd23:03
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: well, it's 22:03 here, but that's about the only difference23:03
keriowith sudo stop bluetooth && sudo start bluetooth23:04
Macerunknown job bluetooth23:04
Maceroh ok23:04
Macerandroid still doesn't see the pan profiile.. but let me repair23:05
* DocScrutinizer05 should stop looking at
kerioDocScrutinizer05: start looking at porn instead!23:05
kerioit's much more relaxing23:05
DocScrutinizer05each time I look there I go WTF?!23:05
keriootoh, some flavours of porn will also make you go WTF?!23:06
Macerandroid still doesn't see the pan profile on the n90023:06
keriowhat do you mean by nope? :(23:06
Macerit did earlier :-/23:06
keriothat's silly23:06
keriocan you pastebin main.conf and network.conf?23:06
Macerwhen i pair it it doesn't give the option to "use this device's internet connection"23:06
kerioare you sure that android wants PAN and not DUN?23:06
Macerandroid doesn't support dun :-/23:07
Macerotherwise i'd be done by now23:07
Macerdun works fine on the n900 heh23:07
kerioand does it want a NAP or a GN?23:07
Maceri'm pretty sure NAP.. but not positive about that much23:07
kerioanyway, pastebin your bluetooth configuration files23:07
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kerioand are you sure that you installed all the appropriate updated bluez packages from luf's site?23:07
Maceri installed libbluetooth, bluez, bridge utils23:08
Macerand test23:08
Maceri figured the dbg packages were debug packages23:08
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Macercan you show me the section of your main.conf related to networking?23:09
Maceri don't see networking anywhere in the main.conf i have23:09
Macercssu needs a paste script ;)23:10
Macerso i could just type paste whatever.conf23:10
Macerand it will paste it heh23:10
Macerbut yeah. i don't have anything that enables/disables bt networking in main.conf23:11
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DocScrutinizer05some midgard porn: write(18, "!\1\0\0\3SELECT record_extension.value AS midgard_collector_key FROM record_extension WHERE record_extension.parent_guid = '6d229d0a6b0911df9808195056454c254c25' AND record_extension.domain = 'org.imc.vcard:email' AND record_extension.sitegroup IN (0, 1) AND  record_extension.metadata_deleted = 0", 293) = 29323:18
kerioMacer: there shouldn't be anything, yeah23:19
kerioMacer: ask luf too, he knows this stuff23:19
Macershould there be a /etc/bluetooth/network.service23:19
keriothere shouldn't23:20
DocScrutinizer05at least I now know *exactly* what apache2/php is doing since 10 CPU minutes23:20
keriobut whatever23:20
keriothat sounds like a systemd thing23:20
keriothat .service file23:20
keriowe don't like that23:20
DocScrutinizer05...which translates to ~100 minutes in real time23:20
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Macerwell.. let me try again23:21
kerioDocScrutinizer05: 6 cpus?23:22
DocScrutinizer0529032 19:26:25 www-data S ?        00:15:19 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start23:23
DocScrutinizer05so it's actually only 60min real time23:23
Macerit's back23:23
DocScrutinizer05but 15 CPU time23:23
Macerkerio: Interface=pan123:23
Maceri geuss the = is important ;)23:24
kerioMacer: >:(23:24
Macerpan1 created itself this time heh23:25
Maceras did bnep023:25
Macerbut i don't understand what i do past that point23:25
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Macerhow do i get bnep0/gprs0 to route using pan1?23:26
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Maceralso. there are no methods to create an ip on the android tablet. does that mean i need to use some sort of dhcpd on the n900?23:26
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keriobnep0 doesn't exist23:27
kerioandroid is fucking horrible, holy fuck23:27
Macerit exists on the n90023:28
Macerand the tablet appears as tho it is connected via bt23:28
keriojust follow any howto on how to NAT a connection with linux23:28
Macerwhere's that located?23:28
kerioon the internets23:28
kerioit's just a bunch of iptables dark magic at this point23:28
Maceryou said any23:28
Macerheh... i guess so23:28
GeneralAntilleskerio, amen.23:28
Macerwhat sucks are the damn tablet userland utils in the console23:29
keriothe n900's routing table shouldn't change i guess23:29
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Macerah well.. at least it is seeing the ability to use pan again23:29
Maceri still don't understan what bnep0 is tho23:30
Macerdoes its ip on the n900 affect the ip on the tablet?23:30
keriobnep0 is a "virtual" point-to-point connection23:30
Macerie: is it just a bt tunnel acting as a physical connection?23:30
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keriobut it's bridged23:30
Macerso what would be necessary on the client then?23:30
Macerbnep0 doesn't have an ip?23:30
kerioevery PANU will get a bnep* interface, and all of them are bridged into your pan interface23:31
Maceris it just a matter of giving it an ip and setting a gw?23:31
* Macer is confused heh23:31
keriothe ip that pan1 has is the n900's ip23:32
keriothe ip that your android tablet has is a matter of the android tabler23:32
kerioconfigure that one, perhaps it *requires* a dhcp23:32
keriobut that sounds really silly, even for android23:32
keriocheck "advanced settings" or something23:33
Maceryeah that's what sucks23:33
keriothere you just set ip, gateway and dns23:33
Macerthere is no way to configure it lol23:33
Macerthat's why i am lost23:33
Macercan't you set up some sort of dhcpd on the n900?23:33
keriofwiw, dnsmasq can act as a dhcp/dns combo23:33
kerioand i think that busybox-power has a dhcpd23:33
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Maceryeah but it would have to be specific to what?23:34
keriowhat's the subject of this phrase?23:34
Macerwhich interface would i set it up for?23:34
kerioas i said multiple times23:34
keriobnep* doesn't exist23:34
kerioit's a figment of your imagination23:34
kerioyour n900 has pan123:35
Macerah ok. so everything is pan123:35
keriothat's the network interface you're looking for23:35
keriomove along23:35
Macerah okk23:35
Macerso just get dhcpd working on pan1 and android should be able to get the info it needs23:35
Macerbecause the routing table seems ok23:35
Macerwhat a pain heh23:36
Macerwell.. maybe later if i do get this working i can update some wiki on it23:36
keriowhat a...23:36
kerio( •_•)>⌐■-■23:37
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Macerwell.. i will work on setting up the dhcp stuff in a bit23:38
Macerbut i don't even know if android tries to connect via dhcp.. i guess it would have to since there is only 1 option23:39
Macer"use internet connection"23:39
Macerand the ifconfig is so limited that it won't even list all the interfaces23:39
Macerit's like completely stripped down23:39
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kerioi meant like in the GUI23:41
Maceri know23:41
Macerthe gui doesn't have shit for it23:41
Macerit just has a checkbox under the bt profiles23:42
Macer"use this device's internet connection"23:42
Maceron off23:42
kerionetwork configuration or something?23:42
Maceri'll look for more but i don't think it has it23:42
kerioit sounds really weird23:42
Maceri think it requires dhcp23:42
keriobrolin_empey: she's wearing that fucking shirt23:43
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brolin_empeykerio: Are you implying that she herself needs to get laid?23:45
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