| DocScrutinizer05 | with no HR there's nothing to plan | 00:00 |
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| shawnjefferson | yes, that's the big problem... time/people. | 00:02 |
| win7mac | Time for the banner and a SOS tmo thread | 00:02 |
| shawnjefferson | afk for a bit | 00:02 |
| win7mac | ...give picture of the situation and ask for help | 00:03 |
| win7mac | BTW, why am I not banner-admin already?! | 00:03 |
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| win7mac | ...I promise to ask Doc + chemist for approval of new banners | 00:05 |
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| shawnjefferson | I'd like to help, but I'm nol wizard.... I do some of this stuff in my day job and figuring out things work is something I do day to day. The big problem is time... it's hard to commit to being "the guy" | 00:06 |
| shawnjefferson | correction: no wizard & how things work | 00:06 |
| shawnjefferson | midgard I know nothing about for instance | 00:07 |
| win7mac | we'd need a team | 00:07 |
| shawnjefferson | barely even heard of it | 00:07 |
| win7mac | antonie already offered his assistance | 00:07 |
| win7mac | *anthonie | 00:08 |
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| shawnjefferson | ok, I just don't want to complain and not offer to help somehow. :) I'd really like to be able to upload to the Autobuilder. | 00:11 |
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| win7mac | shawn, we'll come back on you if we get such a project going | 00:13 |
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| win7mac | anthonie suggested noise some on tmo as well, BTW | 00:13 |
| win7mac | *some noise | 00:14 |
| win7mac | I know it's kind of stabbin in the dark, but what can we loose? | 00:16 |
| win7mac | how much $$ would another blade inkl. HDDs be roughly? | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everybody interested can contribute to augment the knowledge in http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Infrastructure/Autobuilder | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 800 | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first rough guess | 00:19 |
| win7mac | well, if that's the last thing we can do for maemo, lets use donations for that | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (contribute) we allow "guest" accounts on several maemo VM, so you can investigate what the scripts do. I also provide a "bio-proxy" to root cmdline | 00:20 |
| win7mac | no idea if it worth taking the risk though, if it remains fruitlesss and things g down anyway | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | win7mac: we have no manpower to investigate an existing once working system that now has a few flaws | 00:22 |
| win7mac | ^^ so whoever really wants, actually *can* look into things? | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt we can find the manpower for such a testbed project | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (look into things) sure | 00:22 |
| win7mac | ok | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I can provide cleaned out copies of every file you're interested in | 00:24 |
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| win7mac | and you also have no further ideas how to proceed? | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I need to take care about any passwords, any user privacy, and about some statistically significant data. Other than that there's nothing secret in maemo.org | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, for now I'd proceed with spotting why repo-management over and over tries to clean out obsolete packages | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then try to figure how to fix the problem | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly: DOCUMENT IT | 00:28 |
| win7mac | right! | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so others can pick up where I dropped | 00:28 |
| win7mac | absolutely | 00:28 |
| win7mac | ...very underestimated in community-driven infra... | 00:29 |
| shawnjefferson | it sounds like with autobuilder (and other stuff) a lot of scripts run in the root cron, so those would definitely need to be relayed via you | 00:29 |
| win7mac | ...like with board mails... | 00:30 |
| shawnjefferson | I'm willing to take look and try to help document/understand | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shawnjefferson: could you please register with nickserv? | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /msg nickserv help register | 00:34 |
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| shawnjefferson | I have registered... just did an identify | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | shawnjefferson: I just invited you to our admin channel | 00:42 |
| shawnjefferson | great! i just joined that channel | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're sure? | 00:43 |
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| snafu777 | Hello | 02:07 |
| snafu777 | Had a question regarding a custom desktop | 02:07 |
| snafu777 | I can do: gconftool-2 /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets --dump | 02:07 |
| snafu777 | and it shows the position of all my icons on the desktop | 02:08 |
| snafu777 | How can i take that, store it, and then load it for later if i make changes but want to change back to the original positions listed in the file without moving icons by hand? | 02:08 |
| snafu777 | Any help would be greatly appreciated | 02:08 |
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| snafu777 | Nobody, ? | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Snafu777: gconftool --help | 02:40 |
| Snafu777 | Doc! | 02:40 |
| Snafu777 | Amen | 02:40 |
| Snafu777 | I've read the man page | 02:40 |
| Snafu777 | and I dont have a /root/.gconf or a /home/user/.gconf | 02:40 |
| Snafu777 | I think that might be why i cant do what im trying to do? | 02:41 |
| Snafu777 | I just don't know enuf about gconf | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you know you can store values via gconftool as well as read them | 02:41 |
| Snafu777 | i tried | 02:41 |
| Snafu777 | nothing worked | 02:41 |
| Snafu777 | Pretty much I have a very customized way to re-create the N900 from the filesystem up | 02:42 |
| Snafu777 | repartitioning etc.. | 02:42 |
| Snafu777 | Last step for me is to set the icons via a script automatically | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you *might* need root permissions to do gconftool -s for some keys | 02:43 |
| Snafu777 | got it | 02:43 |
| Snafu777 | doing everything as root | 02:43 |
| Snafu777 | I own an N900. It is a phone with Maemo (linux-like) for the OS. I am trying to find a way via gconftool-2 to dump the current location of icons on the Desktop. | 02:44 |
| Snafu777 | From what i have been able to try so far: gconftool-2 /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets --dump | 02:44 |
| Snafu777 | That command will dump the current position of all icons on the desktop to the screen. How can I take that output and re-load it later if I move an icon? | 02:44 |
| Snafu777 | I am trying to avoid having to manually move icons should I reflash. | 02:44 |
| Snafu777 | Bleh | 02:44 |
| Snafu777 | NOT what i intended to paste, sorry | 02:44 |
| Snafu777 | Load/Save options | 02:44 |
| Snafu777 | --dump Dump to standard output an XML description of all entries under a directory, recursively. | 02:44 |
| Snafu777 | --load Load from the specified file an XML description of values and set them relative to a directory. | 02:44 |
| Snafu777 | --unload Unload a set of values described in an XML file. | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dude, I had that on my other window | 02:44 |
| Snafu777 | So i tried..... gconftool-2 /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets --dump > desktop.xml | 02:45 |
| Snafu777 | I deleted an icon from the desktop | 02:45 |
| Snafu777 | then i tried gconftool-2 --load desktop.xml | 02:45 |
| Snafu777 | with no effect | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* | 02:45 |
| Snafu777 | then i tried gconftool-2 --shutdown && gconftool-2 --spawn | 02:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | never tried that | 02:45 |
| Snafu777 | How would you accomplish the task DocScrutinizer05 ? | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I probably had used gconftool -R /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and then RTFM | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to find about dump, load, unload | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the inverse function to load seems to be unload, not dump | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it should prolly make no difference | 02:48 |
| rikanee | off topic, but I just added a SSD, and it's fantastic. | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both (unload, dump) sounds scary like "remove those keys from original registry" | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: yeah, those are incredible | 02:50 |
| Snafu777 | I've tried all kinds of combos | 02:50 |
| Snafu777 | Just to no avail | 02:50 |
| Snafu777 | Hence why i'm reaching out Doc =( | 02:51 |
| rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: I don't have big bucks to blow, so I bought a 128GB SSD and I'm having it cache my OS and programs. Still, it's fast. | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Snafu777: fsck gconftool. I have no f...aintest clue | 02:53 |
| Snafu777 | Okay, no worries | 02:53 |
| Snafu777 | Thanks for the ideas though | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OOOH, --unload seems to fetch the key/dir descriptions from the file to unload to | 02:54 |
| Snafu777 | Nothing works | 02:55 |
| Snafu777 | I wonder if i have to reboot | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if gconf has a locking scheme. If so, I might figure hildon-desktop locks those keys | 02:55 |
| Snafu777 | hmm | 02:55 |
| Snafu777 | well after the load, even though the icon is not there, the string is | 02:55 |
| Snafu777 | so now i have to perhaps reboot | 02:55 |
| Snafu777 | or reload or something | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, you say you ran gconftool --load without it throwing error? | 02:56 |
| Snafu777 | yep | 02:56 |
| Snafu777 | but the icon doesnt appear instantly | 02:56 |
| Snafu777 | like it should | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then killall -9 hildondesktop | 02:56 |
| Snafu777 | no process killed | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uh, you want to *create* icons this way? | 02:56 |
| Snafu777 | - | 02:56 |
| Snafu777 | Not create, but position | 02:57 |
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| Snafu777 | For my custom distro | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, then kill -9 hildon-desktop | 02:57 |
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| Snafu777 | and killal did kill it, but it didnt load the new icon in its proper spot | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I hope you killall -9 it | 02:58 |
| Snafu777 | killall -9 hildon-desktop | 02:58 |
| Snafu777 | but still no effect =/ | 02:58 |
| Snafu777 | getting closer though | 02:58 |
| Snafu777 | cuz i can see the icon info via --dump, it just doesnt showup | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, check if a new gconftool --dump still has the positions like --load ed by you | 02:58 |
| Snafu777 | no dice | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 02:59 |
| Snafu777 | do u have a /home/user/.gconf doc/? | 03:00 |
| Snafu777 | it does show the positions, but the icon is not there =) | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, then obviously they are stored elsewhere | 03:00 |
| Snafu777 | time to see if a reboot works | 03:00 |
| Snafu777 | only thing i can think of | 03:01 |
| Snafu777 | and no, it has to be the right file | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, what you're talking about? | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | desktop | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or applauncher? | 03:01 |
| Snafu777 | the desktop with no text below the icon | 03:01 |
| Snafu777 | whatever u call that | 03:01 |
| Snafu777 | never been sure what the terminology is called | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then try to describe it by your own terminology | 03:02 |
| Snafu777 | The desktop with no icon text | 03:02 |
| Snafu777 | the one u add widgets to | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I couldn't think of any more to-the-point term than desktop and applauncher | 03:02 |
| Snafu777 | here comes the reboot..... | 03:03 |
| Snafu777 | damn | 03:03 |
| Snafu777 | no dice | 03:03 |
| Snafu777 | brb | 03:04 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks a little @ http://privatepaste.com/dd076b014b | 03:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 9 of 16 processes stalled | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, 8 of 15 | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and sort on "start" fails epically | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once all processes stalled, I will *not* restart them unless we got another plan how to avoid this process freezing | 03:16 |
| Snafu777 | Hehehehe | 03:20 |
| Snafu777 | So i said fuck it | 03:20 |
| Snafu777 | gconftool-2 --dump > hope.xml | 03:20 |
| Snafu777 | delete the icon | 03:20 |
| Snafu777 | gconftool-2 --load hope.xml | 03:20 |
| Snafu777 | icon appears | 03:20 |
| Snafu777 | fuck yeah =) | 03:20 |
| Snafu777 | hackers rule the world | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | would anybody feel like analyzing a coredump of such stalled apache2 process to find out why it hangs? | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or what, I think gdb could do that more easily on live system, right? | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless apache2 is stripped | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/e72a3f57c9 for the curious ones | 03:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | suure... ** PROBLEM Service Alert: www.maemo.org/HTTP is CRITICAL ** | 04:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/343ae748af | 04:41 |
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| Macer | hm | 05:40 |
| Macer | is there an easy way to add bluetooth PAN on the n900? | 05:40 |
| Macer | so i can tether an android tablet to it? | 05:40 |
| Macer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58570 | 05:41 |
| Macer | that seems to be the only information | 05:41 |
| Macer | hm. and i guess there is no way in hell to get it to work in infrastructure mode | 05:43 |
| Macer | blah | 05:43 |
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| Macer | Install pc-connectivity-manager - Tablet PC-Connectivity Manager | 06:17 |
| Macer | where is that? | 06:17 |
| Macer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/pc-connectivity-manager/ | 06:17 |
| Macer | that says that it is in extras-devel | 06:18 |
| Macer | but i don't see it | 06:18 |
| Macer | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pc-connectivity-manager/0.7.14/ | 06:20 |
| Macer | hm | 06:20 |
| Macer | guess i'll use the deb | 06:23 |
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| Macer | ugh | 07:16 |
| Macer | i give up | 07:16 |
| Macer | maybe i'll look for a damn phone that has a qwerty and supports PAN | 07:16 |
| Macer | getting it to work in maemo is making me pull my hair out | 07:16 |
| Macer | it seems like for whatever reason maemo doesn't create the pan1 bridge | 07:16 |
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| kerio | Macer: pc-connectivity-manager is awful | 09:23 |
| kerio | install the latest bluez, install kernel-power and install some flavour of brctl | 09:23 |
| kerio | and just configure bluez | 09:24 |
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| Macer | kerio: i think the main problem is the lack of brctl | 09:40 |
| Macer | but i don't even know where to get it | 09:41 |
| Macer | it isn't in any of the repos | 09:41 |
| Macer | would be nice if pan was added to cssu somehow :) | 09:42 |
| Macer | but that would also require brctl be added to cssu | 09:43 |
| Macer | since that is where i am having my problem | 09:43 |
| kerio | Macer: busybox-power has one | 09:46 |
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| Macer | oh | 10:22 |
| Macer | didn't even know there was a busybox-power heh | 10:22 |
| Macer | will it conflict with busybox? | 10:22 |
| Macer | maybe i will try it out | 10:22 |
| Macer | if i do get it working maybe i can make a wiki on it because PAN is the only way to get an android tablet working with wireless tethering | 10:23 |
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| Macer | trying to install it now | 10:48 |
| Macer | hm. lets see what happens | 10:48 |
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| Macer | argh | 11:20 |
| Macer | i keep getting can't add bnep0 to bridge pan1 | 11:21 |
| Macer | no such device | 11:21 |
| Macer | and brctl | 11:25 |
| Macer | brctl: bridge pan1: Package not installed | 11:25 |
| Macer | ? | 11:25 |
| Macer | maybe no bridge support for the powerkernel i'm using? | 11:26 |
| Macer | this is such a pain | 11:26 |
| Macer | all this just to get an android tablet to tether | 11:27 |
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| MetalGearSolid | If your tablet is rooted maybe you can try Android reverse tether along with usb networking on N900 | 11:42 |
| MetalGearSolid | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371345 | 11:42 |
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| MetalGearSolid | http://blog.mycila.com/2010/06/reverse-usb-tethering-with-android-22.html | 11:47 |
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| Drathir | Macer: adhoc not working at all? | 11:51 |
| Drathir | or you want take by bt from phone and share with wifi on tablet? | 11:52 |
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| amin007110 | Drathir, Jelly Bean disabled ad-hoc discovery afaik. | 11:55 |
| Macer | Drathir: i want to figure out any way to get an android tablet to use an n900 as a modem | 12:01 |
| Macer | and it seems rather impossible | 12:01 |
| Macer | the best i got was getting bnep0 running | 12:01 |
| Macer | but the brctl doesn't work because i guess the kernel-power doesn't have bridge support (wtf??) | 12:02 |
| Macer | and the stupid android tablet doesn't have dun or support adhoc | 12:02 |
| Macer | which is an android hard coded thing | 12:02 |
| Macer | so i'm stuck | 12:02 |
| Macer | can't get pan to wrok on the n900 and can't get adhoc and dun to work on the tablet | 12:02 |
| Macer | the tf101 is old anyways.. but that pretty much wipes out any point in ever getting another android tablet heh | 12:05 |
| Macer | i don't want to give up the n900 | 12:05 |
| Macer | only reason i really like the tf101 is its retarded battery life | 12:05 |
| Macer | the thing can go almost a whole day in use if the attachable keyboard and tablet have a full charge | 12:05 |
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| Macer | http://www.amazon.com/MiniSuit-Samsung-Bluetooth-Backlit-Keyboard/dp/B00D2ZUN1Q/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1373706849&sr=8-3&keywords=galaxy+s4+keyboard | 12:16 |
| Macer | think i'll just get an S4 and one of those | 12:16 |
| Macer | heh | 12:16 |
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| Drathir | Macer: host usbip mode usb connection? or that also dont should work? | 13:13 |
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| Lava_Croft | Macer: that still leaves you with Android | 13:34 |
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| Lava_Croft | am i the only one having trouble to get the n900 to login to FB chat | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, look at the complete mess re versions in http://maemo.org/packages/view/pc-connectivity-manager/ | 14:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: no, I heard NSA recently bitched about lot of problems eavesdropping FB ;-P | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which doesn't mean they'd given up on it, just that it's cumbersome for them too | 14:22 |
| Lava_Croft | :P | 14:22 |
| Lava_Croft | carebear about nsa | 14:22 |
| Lava_Croft | all those people using the US owned internet that cry about NSA | 14:23 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 14:23 |
| Lava_Croft | its lovely! | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq! NSA using De owned internet to spy on us | 14:24 |
| Lava_Croft | but its not DE owned | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it is, here in Germany at least | 14:24 |
| Lava_Croft | thats what you think | 14:24 |
| Lava_Croft | its basically a US owned thing, the internet | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what NSA thinks | 14:24 |
| Lava_Croft | you can see it when an FBI logo shows up on a website you might want to visit | 14:24 |
| Lava_Croft | from Germany | 14:24 |
| Lava_Croft | Really, all those people who think that the internet can be some place of freedom, as opposed to the real world, are people who don't really get how things work :D | 14:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | really, any NSA that thinks we won't give them the finger sooner or later for spying on intra-german traffic, has a severe brain damage | 14:26 |
| Lava_Croft | hahahaha | 14:26 |
| Lava_Croft | Germany wont give the finger to anyone | 14:26 |
| Lava_Croft | Just like NL wont | 14:27 |
| Lava_Croft | Angie is just talking tuff for the people at home | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck Angie | 14:27 |
| Lava_Croft | She is your boss for now | 14:27 |
| Lava_Croft | Next elections she is gone, but for now ... :| | 14:27 |
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| Lava_Croft | Besides, name me a good alternative:D | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got some of the world's best hackers here, and we know how to create stuff that will give Angie and NSA a few headaches | 14:28 |
| Lava_Croft | Thats a bit of a general statement | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as general as NSA eavesfropping | 14:29 |
| Lava_Croft | It's east to eavesdrop the internet | 14:29 |
| Lava_Croft | I bet the Stasi would go nuts with this power:D | 14:29 |
| Lava_Croft | well, not power, but possibilities | 14:29 |
| Lava_Croft | still, Germany wont do anything against the NSA or the USA | 14:29 |
| Lava_Croft | They have most likely been cooperating with them for the past years | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not Germany.* | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | Just like about any western euro country | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | Yeah, think that Germany is different | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe our fucking BND | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | Finns think Finland is different | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | Dutchies think NL is different | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | In the end they all work togethered happily against the people:) | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | -d | 14:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly what's your semantic concept of >$nation> ? | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/>/</ | 14:31 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: honestly what's your semantic concept of <$nation> ? | 14:31 |
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| Lava_Croft | concept of a nation is something from the last centuries | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or even <$continent>? | 14:31 |
| Lava_Croft | physical distance and borders are nearly completely irrelevant | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Germany will do something against USA" HECK that sounds like WW-3 | 14:32 |
| Lava_Croft | That says more about your way of thinking than it does about mine, heh | 14:32 |
| Lava_Croft | I didnt even go near anything like 'war' yet, in my thoughts :< | 14:33 |
| Lava_Croft | Why would they:D | 14:33 |
| anthonie | Hey, Lara, we dutch ARE different. Look in our eyes. The only reason for NOT raising a finger, is because we smoke so much we can' t be arsed to lift up the hand that holds the finger... :D | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | German IT-professionals will do sth against NSA and BND and prism and tempora | 14:33 |
| Lava_Croft | anthonie: no no, its because we dutchies are spineless | 14:33 |
| Lava_Croft | we are a trader nation, we bend in whatever direction is needed to make the sale | 14:33 |
| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: sure they will | 14:34 |
| Lava_Croft | Dutchies will solve the world-wide problem of rising water | 14:34 |
| Lava_Croft | really! | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so that invalidates all your rant about "Germany will (bot) do... against USA" | 14:34 |
| Lava_Croft | It's not a rant, heh | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (not)* | 14:34 |
| Lava_Croft | It's just a simple fact | 14:34 |
| Lava_Croft | Germany depends way too much on the USA to do anything | 14:34 |
| Lava_Croft | Just like NL or any other western euro country | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a overly simple and even incorrect statement | 14:35 |
| Lava_Croft | Thinking this is any different is just living in a state of dream | 14:35 |
| anthonie | Lava_Croft, no, we' re not, we've been told we are and many of us believe we are... because all they know and experienced in their lifes is what they see on the TV | 14:35 |
| Lava_Croft | anthonie: no, we really are | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you refuse to think about my questioning your semantic construct of <$nation> | 14:35 |
| Lava_Croft | I think I already replied to that | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | last time $Germany did sth was maybe 1933 | 14:36 |
| Lava_Croft | And stating that I 'refuse to think' about anything | 14:36 |
| Lava_Croft | over the internet | 14:36 |
| Lava_Croft | thats a bit | 14:36 |
| Lava_Croft | L O L | 14:36 |
| Lava_Croft | I know where this is going | 14:36 |
| Lava_Croft | so i quit here | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even then only 10% of $Germany did the same thing, while 80% did look the other way, and another 10% got killed or arrested | 14:36 |
| Lava_Croft | I also know how to handle this | 14:36 |
| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: you are correct, you are right | 14:37 |
| Lava_Croft | have a nice day! | 14:37 |
| amin007110 | lol | 14:37 |
| anthonie | Lava, give me back my spine before you run off! :P | 14:38 |
| Lava_Croft | anthonie: I think our national spine got lost in time | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | national spine, ROTFL | 14:39 |
| anthonie | :D | 14:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm hapy to state I got my very own personal spine and CBA to even think about any "national spine" | 14:40 |
| Lava_Croft | Yes you are a real individual that thinks for himself! | 14:41 |
| Lava_Croft | you make your own decisions! | 14:41 |
| * Lava_Croft laughs and heads off | 14:41 | |
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| Lava_Croft | Cute boy | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pff | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while you are remote-controlled by $Netherlands or what? | 14:43 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you have to type "j" for ja to the english apt-get prompts? | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, I think apt-get queries are fux0red and you still have to type "y" | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc it doesn't even understand "j" | 14:44 |
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| kerio | are you sure? because the prompt says "[yn]" but i have to type "s" for sì (yes) or "n" for no (no) | 14:45 |
| Lava_Croft | Economically, NL is just an extended German province | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno since my locale is EN_gb or whatever | 14:45 |
| kerio | such lack of patriotism | 14:45 |
| Lava_Croft | On another, lighter note: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/196009/The_SCUMM_Diary_Stories_behind_one_of_the_greatest_game_engines_ever_made.php | 14:46 |
| Lava_Croft | The story behind SCUMM | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw for anybody breeding weird hopes: Angie will make it for another 4-y term | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter how much I personally hate that fact | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless she bites the dust befor next term's end | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 14:48 |
| Drathir | Lava_Croft: can i ask you connecting with? | 14:56 |
| Lava_Croft | ? | 14:56 |
| Drathir | btw that logo looks pooly :/ | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and on a sidenote to those protesting Greeks, who first faked their balances to get into EU and now bitch at $Germany for not handing out further billions EUR to them with a smile and a "thank you for taking them": EU should NOT give _any_ money to you guys, EU should just confiscate Greek real estate in the vlaue of all the money you already fraudulently tricked out of EU | 14:58 |
| Lava_Croft | what | 14:59 |
| Lava_Croft | yes, just about everyone who studied economy for 2 weeks did not tell the EU that letting countries like Greece in would be a liability | 15:00 |
| Lava_Croft | not at all | 15:00 |
| Drathir | Lava_Croft: to facebook | 15:00 |
| Lava_Croft | you van really blame the greeks, not the EU itself | 15:00 |
| Lava_Croft | Drathir: nothing atm | 15:01 |
| Lava_Croft | letting countries like greece in was not based on fake greek balance | 15:01 |
| Lava_Croft | it was a political decision | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? "it's your fault! YOU invited me to your birthday party, now why do you frown at me raping your wife?" | 15:02 |
| Lava_Croft | eh? | 15:02 |
| Lava_Croft | yseriously... | 15:02 |
| Lava_Croft | you are a fucking retard | 15:02 |
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| Drathir | btw i good hear that twitter want "fight" with nsa? | 15:02 |
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| Drathir | about that fbi down site logo its nothing amazing its some kind old way looks little... | 15:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 loves lava_croft's polite rational way to discuss any of own points of view | 15:14 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 is temped to post "Meh the Dutch!" but thinks that nobody would realize the irony | 15:16 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 doesn't think that letting Greece into EU, based on whatever, created a liability to accept getting bashed as Nazis by those Greek fools, when there's conditions linked to further billions EUR handed over to them | 15:22 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | NB I don't think the conditions are any sane and reasonable, but that's not the point | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's exactly same mindset as that of maemo users bitching at CSSU team for not delivering what those users think they are entitled to | 15:24 |
| win7mac | probably better keep political discussions to our own politics and not get into the minefield of nationalism? | 15:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | is that an advice to those greek protesters with their "Angie == Hitler" signs? | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that I'd be up to defend Angie | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that is plain idiotic | 15:27 |
| win7mac | an advice to IRC users | 15:27 |
| win7mac | haven't seen greek protesters here | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw the Greek innkeepers of my fav restaurant/pub next house are those who blame their Greek countrymen the hardest | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you offer help or gifts to somebody, you generally don't expect to get blamed for that | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing wrong with "Angie no thanks! we dont want THAT kind of help!", but "Angie == Hitler" honestly?? | 15:32 |
| win7mac | sure, no doubt sth went wrong there, but is that a topic for here? And how is that related to the NSA-thing which started the discussion? | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really, except maybe by lava_crofts behaviour which strange enough made me think about this topic | 15:33 |
| win7mac | Anyway, I don't like to see people leaving because of totally unrelated arguing here | 15:34 |
| win7mac | just my 2 cents | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a faint link to this channel is by discussing general mindset that's perceived extremely annoying which can be found by maemo users who bitch at CSSU team (and other supportive staff) | 15:34 |
| win7mac | agreed | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on the "leaving" topic: (s?)he left to avoid getting kicked for offensive speech | 15:35 |
| win7mac | that's a very fine line you draw there | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh really? | 15:36 |
| win7mac | I don't think anybody would kick you | 15:37 |
| amin007110 | heh | 15:38 |
| win7mac | no matter what you said | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a almost automatic policy: regex "$chanuser->fucking moron" --> /kick | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you bet I would get (and already got) kicked for same behaviour | 15:38 |
| win7mac | So I heard a story about a fucking moron... | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even when it been on reply of a similar insult of $user addressed at me | 15:40 |
| Sicelo | heh | 15:40 |
| win7mac | thought I was supposed to get kicked?! | 15:40 |
| win7mac | *automatically | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't understand the notation I tried to explain how it works | 15:41 |
| win7mac | ah ok | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you didn't address that at another chanuser | 15:41 |
| win7mac | yeah, got it now | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even $self->fucking_moron is only mildly deprecated | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | $other_chan_user->insult() however is a sure kick | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when done in XXX speech | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the fine line is between "your behaviour is idiotic" (allowable), and "you're an idiot" (usually a kick) | 15:44 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: who blame that blame :/ | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you think that policy needs adjustment, you're welcome to discuss it | 15:45 |
| * Drathir is thankfull for that good works for all of us.... | 15:46 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: (blame) which one particularly? | 15:47 |
| win7mac | I think policy is fine | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 15:48 |
| win7mac | :-) | 15:48 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: i mean about this 14:24 < DocScrutinizer05> it's exactly same mindset as that of maemo users bitching at CSSU team for not delivering what those users think they are entitled to | 15:49 |
| win7mac | welcome back Lava, waves have smoothed out a bit | 15:49 |
| Drathir | *blame=bitching | 15:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: that's some users though one is outstanding: estel_ | 15:49 |
| Lava_Croft | im messing with irssi where the autojoin is still set, my apologies! | 15:50 |
| psycho_oreos | Greece should probably be at least thankful that they (sort of) have EU backing imo. | 15:50 |
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| psycho_oreos | Digging EU economy into a ditch along with Cyprus and probably others. | 15:50 |
| win7mac | Lava_Croft, no please leave irssi settings as is ;-) | 15:51 |
| kerio | WE LOVE YOU Lava_Croft! | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: yes, that's what I was saying. No matter how Greece made it into EU, it's not tolerable that they are bitching about the help they _are_ offered | 15:51 |
| Drathir | all ppl can have differents mind and opinion, if each other killing (kicking) for opinions noone will left... | 15:52 |
| win7mac | exactly | 15:52 |
| Lava_Croft | Oh, it's not about different minds and positions, it's just about the fact that after having to deal with uninformed parrots IRL, it gets a bit boring on IRC! | 15:52 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 15:52 |
| Lava_Croft | have fun! | 15:52 |
| Drathir | also want to someone other thinking the same way isnt good idea... | 15:53 |
| win7mac | we'd rather have fun together with you | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: particularly not when they use Nazi allegations | 15:54 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, inevitable because that was part of the history but you can't help those "extremists". | 15:54 |
| Lava_Croft | the extremists are the only ones on both sides that you see on the news | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since that is detrimental in two aspects: a) it doesn't really match anything that Angie does, b) it belittles Nazi assholes | 15:55 |
| Lava_Croft | which is bad for the public perception, as is showcased here | 15:55 |
| psycho_oreos | Nope, its something for those to rub .de against. The indelible history of what happened. Its sad, but .de isn't the only country alone having to face harsh criticisms about the miserable past. | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | the problem with nazi comparisons is not the comparisons | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | its over-sensitive germans taking them seriously | 15:57 |
| Lava_Croft | instead of realizing that making nazi comparisons in this situation just disqualifies yourself, they get all riled up and angry | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | granted | 15:57 |
| Lava_Croft | also realize that the greeks making the nazi comparions are not really greeks that think germans are nazis | 15:58 |
| Lava_Croft | most of these people are hard-working folks who are now getting royally screwed | 15:58 |
| psycho_oreos | Well you know its as bad as rubbing salt in one's old wound when one is somewhat patriotic of their country. | 15:58 |
| Lava_Croft | on a level that a lot of europeans dont seem to realize | 15:58 |
| Lava_Croft | poverty in greece is really 'wtf' | 15:58 |
| Lava_Croft | and the largest part of the greeks had shit to do with all of this, they just worked their ass off | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 15:59 |
| Lava_Croft | like i said, on both sides in a small, extremist minority that dictates the discussion | 15:59 |
| Lava_Croft | in/its | 15:59 |
| Lava_Croft | but when it comes down to it, the root of the problem was not greece itself | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | surely not | 15:59 |
| Lava_Croft | the root was the EU deciding that it was politcally beneficial to have greece join | 15:59 |
| Lava_Croft | how could they not let greece join | 15:59 |
| Lava_Croft | greece is the 'heart' of Europe, so to speak | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it was even EU not thinking Euro currency union to a proper end | 16:00 |
| Lava_Croft | there was no economics or anything remotely related to it in play when taking that decision | 16:00 |
| Lava_Croft | you could say it was purely a marketing/pr decision | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | EU was like 2let's do it *now*, and deal with the problems later, that inevitably will show up" | 16:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | same for countries that roll back the democratization measures they installed to get into EU | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | See Hungary | 16:04 |
| Lava_Croft | that was just a showcase of a rather newbie democracy | 16:04 |
| Lava_Croft | they have yet to master the art of doing such things unnoticed | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | EU basically has no means to stop any coup d'etat that installs a dictatorship or whatever else evil government | 16:05 |
| psycho_oreos | I think each individual country within EU "conglomerate" have their own issues to sort out as well :) all that requires finances. | 16:06 |
| psycho_oreos | If they were to cover someone else's butt, something at a loss may most likely be attribute towards it. | 16:06 |
| Lava_Croft | if national politicians stop using the EU as a tool, both positively and negatively, whenever it suits them | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then EU would start to be a better place | 16:07 |
| Lava_Croft | NL has had like 5 elections in last 10 years | 16:07 |
| Lava_Croft | must be awesome as EU to work with such a country | 16:08 |
| Lava_Croft | where shit changes every week | 16:08 |
| Lava_Croft | you never hear that on the news when they cry about the EU being inefficient | 16:08 |
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| Lava_Croft | on one hand people want the EU to have as little influence as possible, but on the other hand, the things that people expect the EU to do require the EU to have much more power than they have now | 16:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ack | 16:09 |
| Lava_Croft | national politicians are largely to blame for these broken expectations | 16:09 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't know about politicians within EU, but here they are ranked most poorly on the list of trustable people. | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here is where? | 16:12 |
| psycho_oreos | .au | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and do you refer to EU politicians or your local ones? | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gather local ones, since I heard stories about .au politicians | 16:13 |
| psycho_oreos | Any politicians within EU :) I'm all the way over the other side of the globe. The only way I can know of things within EU and other countries is via news or chat, nothing else. | 16:13 |
| psycho_oreos | Virtually any politician in .au has a very poor figure, then the individual ones are also ranked (the popular ones). They too (the popular ones) are ranked poorly, I think even higher number than the politicians in general on the "trustability scale". | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's remarkable how poor the trust in politicians is in USA | 16:16 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah though luckily for the citizens of USA, voting isn't compulsory.. furthermore you won't get fined if you don't vote. | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and rightly so, when even large parts of opposition politicians always vote with the government party | 16:17 |
| psycho_oreos | Its more of a free land in US ;) | 16:19 |
| psycho_oreos | s/land/country/ | 16:19 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: Its more of a free country in US ;) | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, with you getting always exactly TWO "options" to choose from | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which in the end often turn out to not differ at all, when it comes to the stuff that really matters | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess GeneralAntilles would have more detail to contribute. My statement here is admittedly based on poor information | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and on Moore's films | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Moore is an evil man | 16:22 |
| psycho_oreos | Only one would be more knowledgeable (imho) if they were to talk about politics from within the country they are residing in. Media tends to love over-exaggerating, often that can lead to bad assumptions. | 16:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | One with an agenda (making himself a lot of cash pandering to people's dumb biases) | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I kinda agree to that | 16:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | The screwed up state of US politics is mostly down to centralization of power at the national level. | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I surely didn't take Moore's films for the holy truth | 16:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're not even half truths. ;) | 16:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cuban healthcare is somehow more admirable than the US system? | 16:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Please. | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suuure | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, actually, it's truer now with Obamacare in place. | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | What a mess that is | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Handsout for political cronies and regulatory control for politicians. | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh? did they make a mess out of a good idea? how surprising! | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | That wasn't a good idea | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was always a handout to cronies and a way for bureaucrats to grab more power. | 16:29 |
| * amin007110 is wondering why find command in maemo doesn't support -printf and its arguments, while other ppl in channel discussing about politics without paying attention to its basement: Illuminati! | 16:30 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Despite the propoganda put out by collectivists, insurance != health care. | 16:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | busybox | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: apt-get install findutils-gnu | 16:31 |
| amin007110 | i tought it already installed, let me check. | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, then a "which find" might reveal your problem | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which I guess is in your $PATH | 16:32 |
| amin007110 | -printf "%s %U:%G %#m " | 16:32 |
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| Sicelo | check for `gfind` | 16:34 |
| amin007110 | ok | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# find --version | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | find (GNU findutils) 4.4.2 | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# which find | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/gnu/find | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# echo $PATH | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 | 16:36 |
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| amin007110 | well, findutils not installed. | 16:37 |
| Lava_Croft | Drathir: I use bitlbee to connect to fb chat | 16:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy findutils-gnu | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | findutils-gnu: | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: 4.4.2-1maemo7 | 16:38 |
| Sicelo | i have 4.4.2-1maemo8 | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's the "bugfixed" version I created on my local copy manually | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you have a changelog of that version, by any means? | 16:39 |
| Sicelo | aha.. gfind is a symlink to /usr/bin/gnu/find .. i was getting worried | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | g* --> gnu/* | 16:40 |
| Drathir | Lava_Croft: O.o nice i dont know that uts api works again... | 16:41 |
| Drathir | thanks i must check again how this looks like... | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uts? | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: how's life? | 16:42 |
| amin007110 | How to connect to wifi in busybox with iwconfig? any dhclient alternative ? | 16:42 |
| psycho_oreos | amin007110, iwconfig can only support WEP. | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: I guess you'll run into trouble by fighting ICD2 with direct iwconfig commands | 16:43 |
| amin007110 | So impossible to connect to WPA-PSK in terminal ? | 16:43 |
| psycho_oreos | ^ that too unless you stop the daemon. | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not impossible | 16:44 |
| psycho_oreos | Well, the default maemo5 doesn't include wpa_supplicant. You might need that for starters. | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just you need a completely different approach | 16:44 |
| amin007110 | aha | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to connect to WLAN in a standard maemo5 system you need to use maemo means | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's around dbus signals and ICD2 and stuff like that, not related to iwconfig | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I have no proper URL at hand right now | 16:46 |
| psycho_oreos | Besides there's nothing really wrong with connecting WLAN through standard means. | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you *might* find something useful to the topic (a starting point at least), in: | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol | 16:47 |
| infobot | phonecontrol is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 16:47 |
| amin007110 | i think i have this installed | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not about the "app", it's about the wiki page | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Networking | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Connect_to_any_saved_connection for example | 16:49 |
| amin007110 | i see | 16:49 |
| amin007110 | thx | 16:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 16:52 |
| anthonie | on topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03MGRRCMRvw | 16:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, getting ready to sell the house. | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie: YEAH! | 17:01 |
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| anthonie | DocScrutinizer05, Couldn't resist after hearing it in my head while reading the discussion :D | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie: I'm more in love with this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZMuAEqFdls | 17:11 |
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| anthonie | DocScrutinizer05, t'was a lifetime, I last heard that! Hope my neighbours enjoy guitar... | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZlir45ZAyc | 17:20 |
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| anthonie | nice one, you enjoy Don van Vliet as well? | 17:25 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 18:36 |
| DrCode | is there more mobile phone that run meamo? | 18:36 |
| DrCode | I remmber I read some but not remmber module | 18:36 |
| DrCode | not from nokia | 18:36 |
| M4rtinK2 | IIRC, some mythical devices released in China or Japan ? | 18:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | but not really phones, more like weird small tablets | 18:37 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah maybe run on a hacked version of symbian that looks like maemo LOL | 18:37 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't think there's other devices with phone functionality that would run maemo. (btw you spelt maemo wrong :p) | 18:38 |
| DrCode | any idea? | 18:38 |
| DrCode | or mybe it was mego | 18:39 |
| DrCode | meego | 18:39 |
| DrCode | don't remmber | 18:39 |
| psycho_oreos | n9/50 runs harmattan, which would loosely apply the category within maemo family. | 18:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | There was other derivatives (I think), one of them was tizen and now the other is sailfish/jolla. These derivatives follow closely to n9's design (i.e. touch only). | 18:40 |
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| amin007110 | trying to install findutils-gnu... sub-process post-removal script returned error. trying to overwrite /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/es which is also used in package leafpad. | 18:45 |
| amin007110 | how to reslove ? | 18:46 |
| DrCode | ok | 18:47 |
| DrCode | found it | 18:47 |
| DrCode | openmoko | 18:47 |
| DrCode | what is openmoko vs meamo? | 18:47 |
| DrCode | its freerunner , I see it now | 18:49 |
| DrCode | n900 have much better hardware | 18:49 |
| psycho_oreos | Openmoko freerunner would have been somewhat a little more competitive had the newer prototype projects it had managed to get into the hands of the community. | 18:51 |
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| DrCode | I see | 18:52 |
| DrCode | but it seems that this project is dead | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | openmoko inc is dead, yeah | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg | 18:53 |
| infobot | joerg is probably a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gta04 is not exactly an openmoko device | 18:54 |
| DrCode | wow , nice | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see gta04.org | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though it *is* "in the hands of community", it's not exactly considered competitive | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by some users | 18:54 |
| Xierra | Hello, I there a device that can install Maemo? | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, there are plenty | 18:55 |
| DrCode | DocScrutinizer05, nice device gta04 | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 770, N800, N810, N810WIMAX, N900. And with a bit of good will you could count in N9 and N950 | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also heard of some successful installations of some sort of maemo on beagleboard | 18:57 |
| Xierra | The are discontinued. Can I install maemo on an Android device. Like Galaxy S4? | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yinevertheless I guess what you actually asked for would have to get answerd by "no" | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually, NO at your last question | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is discontinued, in the sense you use the term | 18:59 |
| psycho_oreos | It was also specifically written for nokia devices. | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why it's discontinued | 19:00 |
| psycho_oreos | Yup, nokia decided to be m$'s ******... well you get what I mean :) | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because it's designed/written for Nokia devices and because it contains closed blobs on several core components | 19:00 |
| Xierra | I think N900 is the best.. But there are no parts or new devices to buy. | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you can find "new" N900 every now and then | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when searching hard | 19:01 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05 or anyone... do we know how this was produced - http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking/serial_dump ? | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody attached a serial converter to the testpoints behind battery | 19:02 |
| Sicelo | :-P | 19:02 |
| * amin007110 is pondering 'dpkg --force-things' to implant in 'apt-get -o' and bypass the error, but don't know which one is which. Though overwrite doesn't work. | 19:02 | |
| psycho_oreos | Xierra, a few of us already owns more than one N900 already :) they maybe old, they maybe outdated, etc. We still love them nonetheless :D | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports | 19:03 |
| Sicelo | that last page seems 'vague' :-/ | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (btw I guess you could've used "what links to here") | 19:03 |
| psycho_oreos | amin007110, not a particularly good idea, you lose the package that is to be overwritten. | 19:03 |
| amin007110 | psycho_oreos, Saw the error ? | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, not easy to find on maemo wiki | 19:04 |
| psycho_oreos | amin007110, yeah I did. | 19:04 |
| amin007110 | well, maybe removing leafpad does the things. | 19:05 |
| psycho_oreos | You could rewrite/repack the deb as well. | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: please open a ticket against both packages | 19:05 |
| amin007110 | DocScrutinizer05, bug? | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 19:06 |
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| amin007110 | I think me, myself, already am a bug! HeHe. | 19:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | amin007110, which versions of leafpad and findutils-gnu you have/trying to install? | 19:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | http://imagebin.org/264424 woot! | 19:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | One thing you could never do that on n9 without installing all sorts of weird hacks to allow the device to behave :P. | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | blaergh! >>Security Framework initialized<< http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking/serial_dump | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | double-blaergh! >>[ 1.248687] Reserving DMA channels 0 and 1 for HS ROM code<< | 19:44 |
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| HtheB | :) | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: I think that's the cam-app-selector I asked for since ~18 months | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's dead simple, just have a symlink point to the right binary | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | needs a reboot but heck what | 19:50 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, didn't know you wanted that. You can't install A better camera and still retain blessn900. It conflicts/replaces blessn900 when you try to install A better camera. | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blame maintainers for packaging in a very hostile way that hijacks the device | 19:52 |
| psycho_oreos | Package is called cl-laucher. Hostile way it hijacks the device? heh that's news to me. | 19:54 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: don't argue, doc knows it better ;) | 19:55 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, I was merely curious :S tried to search up info about it and found nothing so far. | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: do you argue that cssu nicocam kicks out stock cam? | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | without any need to actually do so | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: sure it does, but it does it on purpose | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | naah | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | fixing the bugs IS perfectly valid reason | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's what bill gates said when deleting netscape from windows while installing msie | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | and the stuttering video recording(in stock camera) is severe bug in my book | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the stuttering video recording *I* never been able to reproduce | 19:58 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: so? there is a bug on BMO. And *I* was able to reproduce it | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I however *can* (occasionally) reproduce DSP hangups with nicocam that you say are impossible or unrelated, yet I do see them on nicocam but never on stock cam | 19:59 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: the fact that you're not able to reproduce it doesn't make it invalid or WONTFIX | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah good to hear that ;-P | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: exactly, the same for what you report | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | I've never said (IIRC) your report is invalid. Just that I am not able to reproduce it. | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the core bug however is to replace a component with sth completely different (even completely new GUI) without offering user any choice | 20:01 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: BTW once KCSSU is in -T, I suspect your DSP crashes will be gone. | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I understand your reasoning, just don;t agree with it. I can't accept that a bugfix is optional. Call me dictator, I am fine with that :P | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, so your bugs you can't reproduce are madatory for everybody else then? | 20:04 |
| freemangordon | hmm? why do you twist my words? | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't twist them | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you say you forcefeed a buggy vwersion of cam to everybody, based on your very personal view that you can't reproduce the bug in that version you push while you take the bug that you but not me can reproduce as an argument why stock cam has to get nuked | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | you do. the bug is NOT in nicocam, it is either in DSP driver or in some other kernel code. It *could* be caused by the difference in the timings between stock/nikocak, but it is not a bug in nicocam | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I don't give a fart on that rationale | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see the bug with nicocam, but not with stock | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: sure | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and since your mileage varies, you opt for nicocam to forcefeed it to everybody incl me | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: lets continue that conversation after the kernel in CSSU | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | s/in/is in/ | 20:08 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: DocScrutis inizer05: lets continue that conversation after the kernel in CSSU | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, since that doesn't change anything about the basic policy applied here | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | omg | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | good replacement | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | :) | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I don't think I will ever update from cssu-t7 to anything newer | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu wandered out of the rage of what I want to get on my daily phone | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I struggled hard to get rid of nokia MP dictatorship. Don't want to trade in what I got now for a new dictatorship courtesy freemangordon | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991 and me invested quite some time to come up with a feasible non-dictatorship way to handle stuff. This now is a reason for the estels of this world to bash us | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (btw based on a thorough ignorance how that concept was meant to work, and alleging some BS nonsense like "additional new repositories" and whatnot) | 20:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | everybody is bragging about "I never use HAM, I use fapman or apt-get exclusively, to update to new CSSU", but when it comes to optional packages like nicocam not possible to install via HAM until it got fixed/patched, and you *had* to use apt-get or fapman to install the _alternative_ nicocam (or any other alternative package), instead of forcefeeding it to everybody, then suddenly that's a showstopper for ending MP dictatorship | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a sad and pathetic argument | 20:30 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't get it, nicocam is the standard camera program that is already included in maemo5 firmwares? | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, nicocam is the camera that comes with cssu-t | 20:31 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O another camera software? sheesh there's going to be so many camera programs lol. | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the one with the awesome AF-distance display that makes a 1m distance show as 3m when you point down, and as 45cm when you point up | 20:33 |
| psycho_oreos | Ahh yeah that's the standard camera with the new stuff on top. | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (thanks to AF motor also needs to compensate for weight of lens) | 20:34 |
| psycho_oreos | I'd also be curious to see if I can reproduce that DSP error. I guess two users having issue is better than one :D | 20:37 |
| psycho_oreos | s/having issue/having the same issue/ | 20:37 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: I'd also be curious to see if I can reproduce that DSP error. I guess two users having the same issue is better than one :D | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't worry about any of that anymore | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as already mentioned I opted out of any CSSU dictatorship | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I leave it to the estels of this world to bitch about the one and only mandatory meal available for everybody is not exactly what _they_ like best, and fight for stuff to get more salt, red pepper, and anchovis | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | while others think the meat in it should get replaced by tofu | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I revert to home cooking ;-) | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: if you want to verify/check something, you can try if you get stuutering video recording on stock cam | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since that is the main argument why stock cam _has_ to get replaced by nicocam | 20:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, the inevitable thing is that I think I have stock cam installed :/ running the latest testing release of CSSU-T flavour. | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (still lacks the rationale why we must forbid all users to keep stock cam, but oh well...) | 20:48 |
| psycho_oreos | err nicocam* | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: you can revert that from nicocam to stock cam easily, since there actually is zilch reason why nicocam has to be mandatory in cssu-t, except freemangordon not liking the idea to give users freedom of choice | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just you probably uninstall MP package during that | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | due to conflicts | 20:51 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm I could play nasty and repack that deb ;) though needs more work. | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't look into the details for quite some time, so my statements on how to revert to stock cam and what side effects are maybe fuzzy | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the simplest thing is to copy the stock cam binary back on device when it got nuked by cssu installation/update, and then just adjust the symlink | 20:53 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah that's another way, would probably be a hell lot easier than repacking the deb. | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this will not reflect in apt/HAM whatever package list of installed packages, and will possibly get nuked again on next installation/update of cssu | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe that's a benefit of this method, rather than a downside | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you ask kerio about dpkg-divert | 20:56 |
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| amin007110 | psycho_oreos, findutils-gnu_4.4.2-1maemo8 and leafpad_0.8.171e-0maemo1 | 20:57 |
| kerio | psycho_oreos: dpkg-divert --add /usr/bin/camera-ui /opt/nicocam_wat_r_u_doin_nicocam_pls_stahp | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/camera-ui.launch | 20:59 |
| kerio | er, yeah, the .launch | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for your convenience | 20:59 |
| kerio | the latest nicocam has maemo-launcher support | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice | 21:01 |
| kerio | i think, at least | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so indeed you'd need a second symlink, from /usr/sbin/camera-ui.launch to either */stock-camera-ui.bin or */nicocam.bin, to make that simple camera-app chooser now | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | while first symlink from usr/sbin/camera-ui to maemo-launcher stays unchanged | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, you're sure this is in /usr/sbin? | 21:05 |
| kerio | i said /usr/bin | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might have introduced a oopsie when I uploaded and provided that file on cloud-7 | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll /usr/bin/*cam* | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2012-12-26 15:55 /usr/bin/camera-ui -> maemo-invoker | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 140268 2012-10-31 11:58 /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1308 2012-10-31 11:58 /usr/bin/camera-ui-set-priority | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my fault | 21:06 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: yeah heh. i don't know. maybe it is because the forum post on it is so old | 21:06 |
| Macer | but for the life of me i can't seem to get pan working | 21:07 |
| psycho_oreos | I got a segfault when trying to run that binary from SSH heh. | 21:07 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: you can't "run" it ;) | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that binary can't get run in shell | 21:07 |
| freemangordon | you need,err... maemo-summoner? | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's meant to get launched by maemo-laucher aka maemo-invoker | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or -summoner, whatever | 21:08 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm otoh I ran it through the "normal" way, whilst recording just whatever is on my screen and moving around I get lags every few seconds. | 21:08 |
| psycho_oreos | maemo-invoker does sound familiar, gonna try that lol. Yeah my bad, got a habit of just running as it is through the shell. | 21:08 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: stock camera binary? | 21:08 |
| freemangordon | (for the lags that is) | 21:09 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, whatever DocScrutinizer05 provided. I'm still not sure what kerio said about diverting.. need to do some digging first. | 21:09 |
| Macer | and i guess the power kernel doesn't have bridge support | 21:09 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: the problem is not that it stutters while recording, the problem is that the recorded video stutters | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what I provided is PR1.3 stock | 21:10 |
| Macer | for iptables ? :-/ | 21:10 |
| * Macer bangs his head | 21:10 | |
| Macer | heh | 21:10 |
| kerio | Macer: the latest power kernel supports bridging | 21:10 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, yup that happened as a result, stuttered video recording, stuttered video playback (through osso-mediaplayer) | 21:10 |
| kerio | you just need a brctl, which is included in busybox-power | 21:10 |
| kerio | and the latest bluez, or you'll go mad | 21:10 |
| Macer | kerio: i have busybox-power installed | 21:10 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: so, before making conclusions, make sure you've watched the video on your PC, just in case | 21:10 |
| kerio | it's on luf's archive | 21:10 |
| kerio | which kernel-power? | 21:11 |
| Macer | 50 i believe | 21:11 |
| kerio | not the latest | 21:11 |
| kerio | FAR from being the latest | 21:11 |
| Macer | is the latest on devel? | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | afaik, yes | 21:11 |
| kerio | Macer: http://merlin1991.at/~luf/bluez/ | 21:11 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, deleted the video lol. Trying again (this time I'm going to try maemo-invoker instead) | 21:11 |
| kerio | install some of those things | 21:11 |
| kerio | there's bridge-utils too | 21:11 |
| kerio | which i forgot | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: wait | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | you should have camera-ui and camera-ui launch in /usr/bin | 21:12 |
| Macer | ok | 21:12 |
| kerio | then i don't quite know how to *start* pan from the n900 | 21:12 |
| kerio | but i can definetely start it from my laptop | 21:12 |
| Macer | heh | 21:12 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: just run camera-ui (which is a symlink to maemo-launcher) | 21:12 |
| Macer | kerio: so you are using pan to connect? | 21:12 |
| kerio | i'm telling you how to establish a connection | 21:12 |
| kerio | install those things, then configure a NAP | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: you also can't simply start that binary as a camera, while the other one is already preloaded in background (not sure if it is or not) | 21:12 |
| kerio | in /etc/bluetooth/network.conf | 21:13 |
| Macer | ah ok | 21:13 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, I've placed camera-ui.launch in /usr/bin. Renamed my cssu version of camera-ui.launch as camera-ui.launch.cssu. Made it executable as well via chmod. | 21:13 |
| Macer | kerio: thanks. i'll start on it in a minute | 21:13 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :nod:, it registers DBUS service iirc | 21:13 |
| kerio | once you can ping from both sides, you can do the usual thing to share an internet connection | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 21:13 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: then do killall camera-ui | 21:13 |
| Macer | i'm looking for the newer power kernel | 21:13 |
| freemangordon | making sure you have camera-ui.launch in /usr/bin | 21:14 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, yeah I found out through maemo-invoker, it dies lol. Alright going through normal method, bit annoyed how I can't see any useful output if going through normal way. | 21:14 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, so do killall camera-ui before running camera normally right? | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: and make sure you do that as user, not as root | 21:14 |
| kerio | Macer: kp52 is on merlin's extras-devel i guess | 21:14 |
| kerio | not sure if rmo's extras-devel was reverted | 21:14 |
| kerio | but i doubt it | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: I suggest a rebot, just to be on safe side of fence | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reboot even | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: yep, assuming you have the correct binary in the correct place | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | or reboot | 21:15 |
| Macer | kerio: apparently not | 21:15 |
| Macer | heh | 21:15 |
| psycho_oreos | Mm not too keen on reboots lol. I just did killall camera-ui as user:users. | 21:15 |
| Macer | maemo.org extras-devel has 50 | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: reverted? | 21:16 |
| kerio | idk, restored from some old-as-shit backup for some weird reason | 21:17 |
| kerio | i don't even know if kp50 is even still there | 21:17 |
| freemangordon | kerio: tried the new -thumb? | 21:17 |
| kerio | what's the new thumb? | 21:17 |
| freemangordon | cssu-thumb | 21:17 |
| kerio | what's new? | 21:17 |
| freemangordon | tracker, for instance | 21:17 |
| kerio | OH MY GOD | 21:18 |
| Macer | ok. i just enabled merlin's repo | 21:18 |
| kerio | I WANT YOUR BABIES | 21:18 |
| Macer | :-/ | 21:18 |
| kerio | omg omg omg omg omg | 21:18 |
| kerio | new packages | 21:18 |
| kerio | loads of new packages | 21:18 |
| Lava_Croft | if it mentions tracker i sure for god hope you mean you kill it! | 21:18 |
| Lava_Croft | :D | 21:18 |
| Macer | lol | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 21:18 |
| kerio | ALL the thumbs | 21:18 |
| kerio | neat, new h-d? | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | and hildon and hildon-thumbnailer | 21:19 |
| kerio | 50% more thumb for each thumb | 21:19 |
| Macer | hm | 21:19 |
| psycho_oreos | There's minor lags with the video, one major lag happened around 10-11 seconds of the recorded video. At the same time when the video recording was being undertaken I did notice the device did lag. | 21:19 |
| * Macer looks around for kp52 | 21:20 | |
| * Macer pokes his n900 with a stick | 21:20 | |
| psycho_oreos | I think Pali has kp52 in his repo plus a few other nice tools. | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | Macer: kp52 should be in extras-devel | 21:20 |
| Macer | wow... quite the decentralization there huh? | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: is that "usual" general system lag? | 21:20 |
| kerio | it's on extras-devel too i swear | 21:20 |
| kerio | Macer: seriously | 21:20 |
| kerio | pastebin the output of `apt-cache policy kernel-power` please | 21:21 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: device lagging is pretty normal IMO while recoding video | 21:21 |
| Macer | freemangordon: it is not. i have extras-devel enabled | 21:21 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, that's the question in which I'm not sure. I could try recording again and this time I'm going to have htop running on my laptop's screen. | 21:21 |
| freemangordon | Macer: what distribution, fremantle or fremantle-pr1.3 | 21:21 |
| freemangordon | ? | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could try to stop or kill trackerd | 21:21 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, true, then again I'll give one more poke with htop on. | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and stinky relatives | 21:22 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 21:22 |
| Macer | see | 21:22 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: won't help, you need to pause it ;) | 21:22 |
| Macer | i have merlin's repo enabled | 21:22 |
| Macer | and extras-devel | 21:22 |
| kerio | which merlin's repo? | 21:22 |
| Macer | and i still get 50 | 21:22 |
| Macer | hh | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: what's the size of your eventsdb? | 21:22 |
| kerio | i'm talking about extras-devel.merlin1991.at | 21:22 |
| kerio | hm | 21:23 |
| kerio | what the FUCK | 21:23 |
| kerio | freemangordon: extras-devel only has 51r1 | 21:23 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, err not sure what you mean. du -h /etc/events.d? | 21:23 |
| kerio | the rmo one | 21:23 |
| kerio | on extras-devel-light, there's kp52 | 21:23 |
| freemangordon | oh | 21:23 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what the fuck | 21:23 |
| kerio | Pali: what the fuck | 21:23 |
| kerio | all of my whats | 21:23 |
| kerio | freemangordon: phone reported booting | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psy ls -l /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/* | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: ^^^ | 21:24 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: did you guys restore something in repository.? | 21:24 |
| Lava_Croft | time to upgrade thumbs | 21:24 |
| Macer | lol | 21:24 |
| Macer | sigh | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ask merlin1991 | 21:24 |
| Macer | kerio: i guess that explains why i was having such a rough go at it | 21:25 |
| Lava_Croft | awesome, conflicting pkgs | 21:25 |
| Macer | the repos are a mess heh | 21:25 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: which packages? | 21:25 |
| Lava_Croft | thumbnailer | 21:25 |
| kerio | Dr. Scrutinizer or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Uninstall the Metapackage | 21:25 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: what? | 21:26 |
| Lava_Croft | hildon-thumbnailer, for sake of exactness | 21:26 |
| Macer | kernel-power: Installed: 1:2.6.28-10power50 Candidate: 1:2.6.28-10power50 | 21:26 |
| Lava_Croft | HAM says it conflicts with hildon-thumbnail | 21:26 |
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| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: what do you use to upgrade? | 21:26 |
| Lava_Croft | 2026 Lava_Croft : HAM says it conflicts with hildon-thumbnail | 21:26 |
| Macer | maybe i will just download a kernel img or something from somewhere later | 21:27 |
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| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: makes no sense, as it INSTALLS hildon-thumbnailer | 21:27 |
| Macer | heh | 21:27 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, 40k on el.db, 576k on el-v1-before-restore.db and 696k on el-v1.db | 21:27 |
| kerio | Macer: deb http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free | 21:27 |
| Lava_Croft | i cant help it:< | 21:27 |
| kerio | the cool repository for cool people | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: when you enable extras-devel.merlin1991.at then you want to disbale extras-devel | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: that's "sane" | 21:28 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: mmh, it shouldn't take priority | 21:28 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: you can, you have to remember what did you do on your device and revert it :) | 21:28 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: why does merlin have pkgs that maemo.org doesn't? | 21:28 |
| psycho_oreos | Also finished recording with htop running through SSH, it seems to report camera-ui taking some of the process. There's usage well beyond 30% not even reported by htop (hmph). | 21:28 |
| Lava_Croft | freemangordon: i did nothing to hildon-thumbnailer | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because of maemo.org repo-management is fubar | 21:28 |
| Macer | ah ok | 21:28 |
| Lava_Croft | its just a device with cssu | 21:28 |
| Lava_Croft | recently flashed | 21:28 |
| Lava_Croft | cssu-thumb* | 21:29 |
| Lava_Croft | no weird stuff is done to it | 21:29 |
| Lava_Croft | and certainly not to hildon-thumbnail | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and autobuilder as well, basically | 21:29 |
| kerio | Macer: extras-devel-light is not a mirror, it's replicated | 21:29 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: may I have your hildon-thumbnailer version? | 21:29 |
| kerio | but it only replicates newer versions | 21:29 |
| Lava_Croft | freemangordon: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPEvXu5CUAA-QB8.png:large | 21:29 |
| psycho_oreos | dmesg has some interestsing information: [10382.485900] ***** DSPMMU FAULT ***** IRQStatus 0x2 | 21:29 |
| kerio | kp52 *was* on repository.maemo.org/extras-devel some time in the past | 21:30 |
| kerio | freemangordon: bluetooth devices in the file manager are neat! | 21:30 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: with stock cam? | 21:30 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: make sure to "Refresh" from the HAM's menu | 21:30 |
| Lava_Croft | freemangordon: thats the only way to get it to update, ever | 21:31 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, hard to tell :/ if only I can interpret what that time/date means in paranthesis. | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: that's the cultprit I'd say | 21:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, only happened once in my log. Now I just need to find out how to interpret the date/time to see if I was using camera-ui (stock version) at the time or not. | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's probably seconds since boot | 21:32 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: hmm, maybe I screwed dependencies somehow, lemme check | 21:32 |
| Lava_Croft | freemangordon: it's because its such a weird thing, hildon-thumbnail isnt exactly a pkg known for all of the tweaks | 21:33 |
| Lava_Croft | or whatever | 21:33 |
| Lava_Croft | so chances that any user screwed that up dont seem large | 21:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, it is :/ not very useful. I'm going to pastebin the log and I'll paste the link about that weird timestamp format. | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: I can't help on that | 21:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | http://privatepaste.com/9a0e1744c3 and http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/dmesg_timestamt_format/ | 21:34 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah :/ blah! I'll need to setup that format properly grrr... >:/ | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: open/close your slider while looking at the watch, then check timestamp of that event in dmesg | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the rest it math | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: syslog has nicer timestamps | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: yep, my fault, I forgot to add that to the metapackage :(. And seems HAM/apt is stupid and can't resolve the dependencies | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | METAPACKAGE | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 21:37 |
| Lava_Croft | yay my N900 isbt broken | 21:37 |
| Lava_Croft | isnt* | 21:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how a bunch of such brilliant hackers can cling to a concept like MP | 21:37 | |
| psycho_oreos | 644 with slider in/out deducted from when the last of that message was printed. I think I do have syslog, not sure though. | 21:37 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yep, libhildon1 depends on hildon-thumbnail thumb version, it is in the repo. the result is ^^^ :( | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: did you upgrade with apt-get? | 21:39 |
| Lava_Croft | no | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you ever considered updating with osso-backup app restore? | 21:39 |
| Lava_Croft | the first and last time i did that it made N900 angry | 21:40 |
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| freemangordon | shit, libhildon1 is not upgraded too :( | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | ok, going to make a new -mp | 21:42 |
| Lava_Croft | didnt you test it: :) | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: I did | 21:43 |
| Lava_Croft | aw | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | but seems my test procedure isn't the best around :D | 21:43 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 21:43 |
| Lava_Croft | i should use my other N900 for these things, but thats just boring | 21:44 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, looks like I'm able to replicate that DSP MMU error :) I was dumping dmesg every so often. I got errors in regards to memory_sync_page and proc_memory_sync. After I finished recording I ran osso-mediaplayer, selected the newly created video and at the same time closed camera lens. Bingo DSP MMU fault! | 21:44 |
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| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: I tested on 2 devices, installed packages by hand on my devel device, to be sure it won;t break. and upgraded via HAM on my everyday device | 21:44 |
| Lava_Croft | odd | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: but didn't checked if everything got updated on my everyday device | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | my fault | 21:45 |
| Lava_Croft | lesson learned! :D | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 21:45 |
| Lava_Croft | zero harm done too | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | yep | 21:46 |
| Lava_Croft | good old ham, right | 21:46 |
| * Lava_Croft coughs | 21:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: yes, sounds familiar | 21:46 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, http://privatepaste.com/b44f524aca that is in dmesg's words :D | 21:47 |
| Macer | ok | 21:47 |
| Macer | got power updated to 52 | 21:48 |
| Macer | heh.. lets see what happens | 21:48 |
| * Macer reboots | 21:48 | |
| Macer | so what is the point of pc-connectivity? | 21:49 |
| Macer | if it doesn't work? heh | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | OMAP mailbox, HAH | 21:51 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: should be fixed, please test | 21:54 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah I have no clue what omap mailbox is but if that's what you wanted I guess you now have two affected users :) | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | this is what is used for communication between CPU and DSP (omap mailbox) | 21:56 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: are you on stock DSP drivers? no 720p? | 21:57 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, ahh. I think the DSP drivers are stock, if you're talking about the one under lib/dsp. Definitely no 720p | 21:58 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: yep | 21:58 |
| * psycho_oreos personally doesn't like to do overclocking. | 21:58 | |
| Lava_Croft | freemangordon: moment | 21:59 |
| goldkatze | Do you guys have the same issue? aptitude install maesynth --> python-pygame: Depends: libsdl-ttf2.0 (>= 2.0.9) which is a virtual package. | 21:59 |
| * Macer facepalms | 21:59 | |
| Macer | ok.. time out again | 21:59 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: hmm? you don;t need to OC | 21:59 |
| Macer | but on the brighter side brctl works | 21:59 |
| Macer | heh | 21:59 |
| Macer | kerio: i'll install bluez in a minute and edit the conf like you said | 21:59 |
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| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: i meant - you can install Harm DSP codecs without OC and you'll have lot more supported video formats | 22:00 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, *shrugs* I've read somewhere on (probably old thread) tmo that DSP needed overclocking for 720p support. | 22:01 |
| psycho_oreos | Ahh! now that I didn't know. | 22:01 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: yes | 22:01 |
| freemangordon | but only for 720p ;) | 22:01 |
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| freemangordon | for lower resolutions you don;t need to OC | 22:01 |
| Lava_Croft | oh, by the way | 22:02 |
| Lava_Croft | the only way to install ovi maps nowadays is by hand? | 22:02 |
| Lava_Croft | the maps itself, that is | 22:02 |
| Lava_Croft | freemangordon: it installs | 22:02 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, yeah I just intend to leave it as it is. Trying to somehow preserve the device/s for as long as I can. | 22:02 |
| goldkatze | Lava_Croft: There are "installable" maps? Here it just downloads map data as needed, no offline caching | 22:03 |
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| Lava_Croft | you could always preload the maps via PC Suite/Ovi Suite | 22:03 |
| goldkatze | err, no pre-loading for offline use, i meant. | 22:03 |
| Lava_Croft | or copy them over by hand | 22:03 |
| goldkatze | I see | 22:03 |
| Lava_Croft | but iirc the way its done has changed and it doesnt work anymore with pc/ovi/nokia suite | 22:03 |
| Lava_Croft | it downloads them, but fails to actually install/preload them | 22:04 |
| Lava_Croft | wondering if there's any other way by now | 22:04 |
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| Lava_Croft | n9 ovi maps client can preload maps from within the app itself, but not on the n900 :< | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: mailbox is a fifo in ARM, for processes possibly running on different cores to exchange data | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or just what freemangordon said :-) | 22:05 |
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| Macer | so pc-connectivity-manager isn't even needed ? | 22:06 |
| freemangordon | Macer: afaik it is FUBAR on fremantle | 22:06 |
| freemangordon | could be wrong though, it was long time ago I tested it | 22:07 |
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| Lava_Croft | freemangordon: seems it worked | 22:08 |
| Macer | ok. so all i really need is kp52, bluez from merlin, bridge-utils and to edit the /etc/bluetooth/network.conf | 22:08 |
| Macer | and i should be able to use pan | 22:08 |
| Macer | then i guess configure some routing in order for the tablet to actually connect? | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think freemangordon is right | 22:08 |
| Macer | the term utils in android suck tho :-/ completely stripped down | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pc-connectivity never been *ported* to fremantle | 22:09 |
| Lava_Croft | terminal usage and android is a bad combo indeed | 22:09 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, yup I picked that up from freemangordon. | 22:09 |
| Macer | Lava_Croft: yeah but i need it to ping | 22:10 |
| Macer | and list interfaces | 22:10 |
| Macer | and ifconfig is awful heh | 22:10 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, so I guess the case is now relevant? both Doc and myself have DSP MMU faults :D | 22:10 |
| Macer | i don't even know what interface it uses for pan | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: could you try the same sequence with the stock camera? | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I had a fair share of driver-coding for ARM mailbox, at st-e | 22:10 |
| * Macer has been banging his head on a desk for hours trying to get this stupid android tablet to tether with his n900 | 22:11 | |
| Macer | heh | 22:11 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, err that was with the stock camera. I mean using DocScrutinizer05's camera-ui.launch and I did killall camera-ui (as user) as per requested. | 22:12 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PL320 | 22:12 |
| psycho_oreos | I haven't tried CSSU's version of the camera-ui though. | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | PrimeCell® Inter-Processor Communications Module (PL320) ... | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka "mailbox" | 22:13 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: now, do you agree with my theory that this is not a problem with camera-ui, rather buggy DSPBIOS or codecs | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ok with me, it shows that the stuttering is fairly reproducable | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never doubted that it's related to DSP | 22:14 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: and I've never seen those as I use Harm DSP codec nodes | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense | 22:15 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: sure, my point is that we have the same behaviour with both stock and nikocam | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly the blobs in HARM are a newer version | 22:15 |
| freemangordon | for sure they are :) | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otoh the old ones *might* have workarounds for SiErr in 3530 | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though the probability is low | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | 3530? | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | why is that? | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OMAP3530? | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | hmm don;t we have 3430? | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | oh, well | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think we have a 3530 | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | no | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | it is 3430 | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the difference is marginal | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly one is HS while the other is not | 22:18 |
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| freemangordon | yep, GSM support one of them | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | that one too | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or one is aftermarket while other is for the big guys | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | yep | 22:18 |
| Macer | ok | 22:18 |
| Macer | the pkg on merlin's site doesn't have a /etc/bluetooth/network.conf | 22:18 |
| Macer | is there some more documentation on configuring pan somewhere? | 22:19 |
| Macer | that explains how the network.conf looks? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (mailbox) http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0306b/CHDGECJI.html | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0306b/CHDGECJI.html | 22:21 |
| Macer | the bluez page refers to pand | 22:21 |
| Macer | is that not necessary? | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck u arm.com | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.subset.primecell.interconnect/index.html#pl320 | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw a funny detail about mailbox (well at least to me it been funny since I first seen this there): some of the channels are only accessable in secure context while others are accessable from both contexts | 22:31 |
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| Macer | well | 22:33 |
| Macer | guess i'm getting closer to a solution | 22:34 |
| Macer | i have all the networking devices there at least now :) | 22:34 |
| Macer | lol | 22:34 |
| Macer | but it appears as tho i need to create the bridge manually | 22:34 |
| Macer | :-/ | 22:34 |
| Macer | maybe i just don't fully understand the concept of how pan works | 22:34 |
| Macer | and i should read up on its fundamentals to better understand it | 22:34 |
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| brolin_empey | Macer: Are you PAN-handling? ;-) | 22:38 |
| brolin_empey | Macer: PAN-handling for cache? ;-) | 22:39 |
| Macer | great | 22:41 |
| Macer | lol | 22:41 |
| Macer | now i'm getting service record not available | 22:41 |
| Macer | i think i went backwards | 22:41 |
| Macer | if i had a S4 this would just work lol | 22:42 |
| Macer | so now i can't create bnep0 | 22:42 |
| Macer | :-/ | 22:42 |
| Macer | this is proving too difficult | 22:42 |
| * brolin_empey uses POTS and PANs instead of pots and pans. | 22:43 | |
| Macer | and with no real documentation other than some scattered unrelated to maemo bluez info i don't have much to work with | 22:43 |
| Macer | blah. this sucks. | 22:43 |
| * Macer facepalms | 22:44 | |
| Macer | where the hell did i lose the ability to make the bnep0 | 22:45 |
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| brolin_empey | Hurray for still not even being fully dressed after noon on Saturday. :P | 22:45 |
| Macer | great | 22:46 |
| Macer | now all i have for a profule is "media audio" on the android tablet | 22:46 |
| Macer | omg fuck this i need a break. i doubt i'll ever get this working | 22:46 |
| kerio | Macer: there's a setting in network.conf to specify a script to run when setting up the bridge | 22:58 |
| kerio | the bridge should be created automatically though | 22:58 |
| Macer | kerio: after installing those pkgs from merlin's repo i no longer see the ability to connect via pan from the tablet | 22:59 |
| Macer | as though the profile is gone | 22:59 |
| kerio | hmm | 22:59 |
| kerio | by any chance, is "network" in the disabled modules in main.conf? | 22:59 |
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| Macer | i don't even see the owrd "network" in the main.conf | 23:00 |
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| Macer | you're talking about /etc/bluetooth/main.conf correct? | 23:00 |
| kerio | yeah | 23:00 |
| kerio | also, stop and start bluetooth i guess | 23:00 |
| kerio | oh, and bnep0 shouldn't be the bridge name | 23:01 |
| Macer | no | 23:01 |
| kerio | because it's the single interface that gets created automatically on connection | 23:01 |
| Macer | i'm guessing bnep0 is created by the tablet | 23:01 |
| Macer | yeah | 23:01 |
| Macer | the bridge name is pan1 | 23:01 |
| kerio | ok | 23:01 |
| kerio | stop bluetooth, start bluetooth | 23:01 |
| kerio | do you see a pan1 interface in ifconfig -a? | 23:02 |
| Macer | but like i said. the profile isn't showing up anymore | 23:02 |
| Macer | no | 23:02 |
| Macer | i had to create it manually | 23:02 |
| kerio | can you pastebin your network.conf? | 23:02 |
| Macer | i don't have one... i installed the deb | 23:02 |
| Macer | but there is no network.conf | 23:02 |
| kerio | ._. | 23:02 |
| Macer | :-/ | 23:02 |
| Macer | yeah i was a bit confused about that too | 23:02 |
| kerio | then why do you expect for it to be one? | 23:02 |
| kerio | create it! | 23:02 |
| kerio | [NAP Role] | 23:02 |
| Macer | i was looking fr an example heh | 23:02 |
| kerio | Interface=btnap | 23:02 |
| kerio | those two lines | 23:02 |
| kerio | whatever you put there in btnap is going to be the bridge | 23:03 |
| kerio | you're supposed to leave the bnep* interfaces alone, they're going to be created automagically | 23:03 |
| kerio | then configure your bridge interface | 23:03 |
| kerio | check with brctl if it exists once you restart bluetoothd | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: well, it's 22:03 here, but that's about the only difference | 23:03 |
| kerio | with sudo stop bluetooth && sudo start bluetooth | 23:04 |
| Macer | unknown job bluetooth | 23:04 |
| Macer | wth? | 23:04 |
| kerio | bluetoothd? | 23:04 |
| Macer | oh ok | 23:04 |
| Macer | android still doesn't see the pan profiile.. but let me repair | 23:05 |
| Macer | re-pair | 23:05 |
| Macer | heh | 23:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 should stop looking at http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia | 23:05 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: start looking at porn instead! | 23:05 |
| kerio | it's much more relaxing | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | each time I look there I go WTF?! | 23:05 |
| kerio | otoh, some flavours of porn will also make you go WTF?! | 23:06 |
| Macer | nope | 23:06 |
| Macer | android still doesn't see the pan profile on the n900 | 23:06 |
| kerio | what do you mean by nope? :( | 23:06 |
| Macer | it did earlier :-/ | 23:06 |
| kerio | that's silly | 23:06 |
| kerio | can you pastebin main.conf and network.conf? | 23:06 |
| Macer | when i pair it it doesn't give the option to "use this device's internet connection" | 23:06 |
| kerio | are you sure that android wants PAN and not DUN? | 23:06 |
| Macer | positive | 23:06 |
| Macer | android doesn't support dun :-/ | 23:07 |
| Macer | otherwise i'd be done by now | 23:07 |
| Macer | dun works fine on the n900 heh | 23:07 |
| kerio | and does it want a NAP or a GN? | 23:07 |
| Macer | i'm pretty sure NAP.. but not positive about that much | 23:07 |
| kerio | anyway, pastebin your bluetooth configuration files | 23:07 |
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| kerio | and are you sure that you installed all the appropriate updated bluez packages from luf's site? | 23:07 |
| Macer | i installed libbluetooth, bluez, bridge utils | 23:08 |
| Macer | and test | 23:08 |
| Macer | i figured the dbg packages were debug packages | 23:08 |
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| kerio | yeah | 23:08 |
| Macer | can you show me the section of your main.conf related to networking? | 23:09 |
| Macer | i don't see networking anywhere in the main.conf i have | 23:09 |
| Macer | cssu needs a paste script ;) | 23:10 |
| Macer | so i could just type paste whatever.conf | 23:10 |
| Macer | and it will paste it heh | 23:10 |
| Macer | but yeah. i don't have anything that enables/disables bt networking in main.conf | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | some midgard porn: write(18, "!\1\0\0\3SELECT record_extension.value AS midgard_collector_key FROM record_extension WHERE record_extension.parent_guid = '6d229d0a6b0911df9808195056454c254c25' AND record_extension.domain = 'org.imc.vcard:email' AND record_extension.sitegroup IN (0, 1) AND record_extension.metadata_deleted = 0", 293) = 293 | 23:18 |
| kerio | Macer: there shouldn't be anything, yeah | 23:19 |
| kerio | Macer: ask luf too, he knows this stuff | 23:19 |
| Macer | heh | 23:19 |
| Macer | should there be a /etc/bluetooth/network.service | 23:19 |
| Macer | http://it-result.me/bluetooth-network-on-linux/ | 23:19 |
| kerio | there shouldn't | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least I now know *exactly* what apache2/php is doing since 10 CPU minutes | 23:20 |
| kerio | but whatever | 23:20 |
| kerio | that sounds like a systemd thing | 23:20 |
| kerio | that .service file | 23:20 |
| kerio | we don't like that | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...which translates to ~100 minutes in real time | 23:20 |
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| Macer | heh | 23:21 |
| Macer | ok | 23:21 |
| Macer | well.. let me try again | 23:21 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: 6 cpus? | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 29032 19:26:25 www-data S ? 00:15:19 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's actually only 60min real time | 23:23 |
| Macer | oh | 23:23 |
| Macer | it's back | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but 15 CPU time | 23:23 |
| Macer | kerio: Interface=pan1 | 23:23 |
| Macer | heh | 23:24 |
| Macer | i geuss the = is important ;) | 23:24 |
| kerio | Macer: >:( | 23:24 |
| Macer | hm | 23:24 |
| Macer | ok | 23:25 |
| Macer | pan1 created itself this time heh | 23:25 |
| Macer | as did bnep0 | 23:25 |
| Macer | but i don't understand what i do past that point | 23:25 |
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| Macer | how do i get bnep0/gprs0 to route using pan1? | 23:26 |
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| Macer | also. there are no methods to create an ip on the android tablet. does that mean i need to use some sort of dhcpd on the n900? | 23:26 |
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| kerio | bnep0 doesn't exist | 23:27 |
| kerio | android is fucking horrible, holy fuck | 23:27 |
| Macer | haha | 23:28 |
| Macer | it exists on the n900 | 23:28 |
| Macer | and the tablet appears as tho it is connected via bt | 23:28 |
| kerio | just follow any howto on how to NAT a connection with linux | 23:28 |
| Macer | where's that located? | 23:28 |
| kerio | on the internets | 23:28 |
| Macer | lol | 23:28 |
| Macer | oh | 23:28 |
| kerio | it's just a bunch of iptables dark magic at this point | 23:28 |
| Macer | you said any | 23:28 |
| Macer | heh... i guess so | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | kerio, amen. | 23:28 |
| Macer | what sucks are the damn tablet userland utils in the console | 23:29 |
| kerio | the n900's routing table shouldn't change i guess | 23:29 |
| Macer | suck | 23:29 |
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| Macer | ah well.. at least it is seeing the ability to use pan again | 23:29 |
| Macer | heh | 23:29 |
| Macer | progress | 23:29 |
| Macer | i still don't understan what bnep0 is tho | 23:30 |
| Macer | does its ip on the n900 affect the ip on the tablet? | 23:30 |
| kerio | bnep0 is a "virtual" point-to-point connection | 23:30 |
| Macer | ie: is it just a bt tunnel acting as a physical connection? | 23:30 |
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| kerio | yep | 23:30 |
| kerio | but it's bridged | 23:30 |
| Macer | so what would be necessary on the client then? | 23:30 |
| Macer | bnep0 doesn't have an ip? | 23:30 |
| kerio | every PANU will get a bnep* interface, and all of them are bridged into your pan interface | 23:31 |
| Macer | is it just a matter of giving it an ip and setting a gw? | 23:31 |
| kerio | nope | 23:31 |
| * Macer is confused heh | 23:31 | |
| kerio | the ip that pan1 has is the n900's ip | 23:32 |
| kerio | the ip that your android tablet has is a matter of the android tabler | 23:32 |
| kerio | tablet | 23:32 |
| kerio | configure that one, perhaps it *requires* a dhcp | 23:32 |
| kerio | but that sounds really silly, even for android | 23:32 |
| kerio | check "advanced settings" or something | 23:33 |
| Macer | yeah that's what sucks | 23:33 |
| kerio | there you just set ip, gateway and dns | 23:33 |
| Macer | there is no way to configure it lol | 23:33 |
| kerio | lol | 23:33 |
| kerio | sucks2beu | 23:33 |
| Macer | that's why i am lost | 23:33 |
| Macer | :-P | 23:33 |
| Macer | can't you set up some sort of dhcpd on the n900? | 23:33 |
| kerio | fwiw, dnsmasq can act as a dhcp/dns combo | 23:33 |
| Macer | hm | 23:33 |
| kerio | and i think that busybox-power has a dhcpd | 23:33 |
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| Macer | yeah but it would have to be specific to what? | 23:34 |
| kerio | what's the subject of this phrase? | 23:34 |
| Macer | which interface would i set it up for? | 23:34 |
| kerio | as i said multiple times | 23:34 |
| kerio | bnep* doesn't exist | 23:34 |
| kerio | it's a figment of your imagination | 23:34 |
| kerio | your n900 has pan1 | 23:35 |
| Macer | ah ok. so everything is pan1 | 23:35 |
| kerio | that's the network interface you're looking for | 23:35 |
| kerio | move along | 23:35 |
| Macer | ah okk | 23:35 |
| Macer | so just get dhcpd working on pan1 and android should be able to get the info it needs | 23:35 |
| kerio | yeah | 23:35 |
| Macer | because the routing table seems ok | 23:35 |
| Macer | what a pain heh | 23:36 |
| Macer | well.. maybe later if i do get this working i can update some wiki on it | 23:36 |
| kerio | what a... | 23:36 |
| kerio | (•_•) | 23:36 |
| kerio | ( •_•)>⌐■-■ | 23:37 |
| Macer | heh | 23:37 |
| kerio | PAN | 23:37 |
| kerio | (⌐■_■) | 23:37 |
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| Macer | well.. i will work on setting up the dhcp stuff in a bit | 23:38 |
| Macer | but i don't even know if android tries to connect via dhcp.. i guess it would have to since there is only 1 option | 23:39 |
| Macer | "use internet connection" | 23:39 |
| Macer | heh | 23:39 |
| Macer | and the ifconfig is so limited that it won't even list all the interfaces | 23:39 |
| Macer | it's like completely stripped down | 23:39 |
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| kerio | i meant like in the GUI | 23:41 |
| Macer | i know | 23:41 |
| Macer | the gui doesn't have shit for it | 23:41 |
| Macer | it just has a checkbox under the bt profiles | 23:42 |
| Macer | "use this device's internet connection" | 23:42 |
| Macer | on off | 23:42 |
| Macer | heh | 23:42 |
| kerio | network configuration or something? | 23:42 |
| Macer | i'll look for more but i don't think it has it | 23:42 |
| kerio | it sounds really weird | 23:42 |
| brolin_empey | kerio: http://free.bridal-shower-themes.com/img/i/f/if-you-can-read-this-you-really-need-to-get-laid_2.jpg | 23:42 |
| Macer | i think it requires dhcp | 23:42 |
| kerio | brolin_empey: she's wearing that fucking shirt | 23:43 |
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| brolin_empey | kerio: Are you implying that she herself needs to get laid? | 23:45 |
| kerio | maybe! | 23:45 |
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