IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2013-07-09

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anthonie@doc, done and installed. Dislike it, when repo's just ignore the validity of the whole gpg system.00:04
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, 1/3 blackout00:29
* DocScrutinizer05 tries to find another outlet for the TV00:29
kerioi wonder if my n900 can sustain the dsp profile00:33
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win7macalways good to stzart like that... ;)00:54
DocScrutinizer51scotty, beam me up! this planet is annoying00:54
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mickaelI have a problem with my n900, I installed CSSU and I went clicked in ssu application in the options there is a reboot device button and my n900 Rebout loop. someone could help me?01:20
mickaelI no longer interface for my office01:21
freemangordonmickael: what is SSU application?01:22
mickaelCommunity SSU01:24
mickaelvers Thumb01:25
freemangordonmickael: how do you installed it? if you install CSSU in the way it is supposed to be installed, ther is no "Reboot" button, as it auto reboots01:25
mickaelI know, it was already installed01:26
freemangordonmickael: where is that button then? Do you mean "CSSU Configuration" application?01:27
mickaelwhen you support the power button of the N900 and you launch the application in the menu CSSU a button reboot device01:28
mickaelwhen you push the power button of the N900 and you launch the application in the menu CSSU a button reboot device01:28
freemangordonmickael: yep, I guess this is "CSSU configuration"01:29
mickaeldont push that button01:29
mickaelreboot device01:29
mickaelloop boot01:29
freemangordonmickael: ok, most probably you have your /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini screwed01:31
freemangordonmickael: in order to fix that you have to:01:31
freemangordon1. put your device in RD mode01:31
mickaelflasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode01:31
freemangordon2. quickly press ctrl-shift-X as soon as hildon-desktop tries to run (to open a terminal)01:32
freemangordonmickael: do you have rootsh installed?01:33
freemangordonso, as soon as you have terminal, type "root" without quotes01:33
freemangordoncd to  /usr/share/hildon-desktop01:34
freemangordonsee what files are there, I think "CSSU configuration" makes a backup01:34
freemangordonyou need to restore it in place of the current transitions.ini01:34
freemangordonmickael: if there is no backup, or restoring it don;t help, type:01:35
freemangordon"apt-get install --reinstall hildon-desktop" as root, without quotes01:35
freemangordonyou'll be notified that transitions.ini is modified and will be asked what to do01:36
freemangordonchoose "Install maintainers version"01:36
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merlin1991there's probably a transistions.ini.dpkg-dist file he could use without going the reinstall way01:45
mickaelok i test it01:46
freemangordonmerlin1991: not sure what so called "CSSU configuration" does01:46
merlin1991it's definitely not touching that file :)01:46
freemangordonnever installed here :)01:46
merlin1991and if he had any chages to transistions.ini (like almost everybody) then he ends up with that file and his originial config when installing cssu01:47
freemangordonmerlin1991: he said cssu was preinstalled, whatever that means01:47
ecc2gAfter I installed CSSU my transitions.ini is still dated Jul 21, 2010 and a dpkg-dist one dated sept 4 2012 got put there.  should I be using the new one or "if it's not broke dont touch it"?01:49
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merlin1991use the new one01:50
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mickaelhow to use the transistions.ini.dpkg-dist file01:57
mickaeldpkg -i ...01:57
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mickaelor mv ...01:59
mickaelok nice02:01
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mickaelI tried my home, thank you again for the info02:02
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ecc2gswapped to the "new" one and rebooted...fortunately still working, but don't notice much change...02:43
jimrj_Good evening, anyone here knows if N900 clock drift is documented somewhere? especeially under different temperatures?02:44
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merlin1991~seen mentalisttraceur02:54
infobotmentalisttraceur <~user@Maemo/community/council/MentalistTraceur> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 59d 4h 8m 37s ago, saying: '~troll MentalistTraceur'.02:54
DocScrutinizer05famous last words02:56
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ecc2ghow bad is clock drift?  (I don't know, I have mine synced with GSM provider)03:00
ecc2gor do you mean cpu clock speed drift?03:01
merlin1991ecc2g: my gsm provider does not provide the time signal, in a month the n900 usually would drift about 2 mins03:02
SpeedEvilThere are a number of ntp packages03:04
ecc2gI guess it's unit specific too... 2 mins/month isn't way too bad, I'm forced to NTP on my server- I lose about 30 seconds/day.03:04
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SpeedEvilI have it intalled as my backup battery is dead03:21
SpeedEviland it loses time03:21
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DocScrutinizer05ecc2g: for your server you might want to look into man hwclock03:54
ecc2goddly enough both the RTC and the software clock drift03:55
DocScrutinizer05ecc2g: system clock often is worse than cmos clock aka RTC03:55
DocScrutinizer05and hwclock has a means to comnpensate for systematic drift of RTC03:55
* SpeedEvil wishes that the Rb clock modules on ebay hadn't risen in price.03:56
DocScrutinizer05you just *never* must do a hwclock --systohc, when you didn't adjust sysclock to a higer stratum immediately before03:56
DocScrutinizer05Rb? Dallas?03:57
DocScrutinizer05never heard of03:57
ecc2gsmaller than a Cs clock?03:57
DocScrutinizer05~wiki rubidium03:57
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{good article}}{{infobox rubidium}} 'Rubidium' is a chemical element with the symbol 'Rb' and atomic number 37. Rubidium is a soft, silvery-white metallic element of the alkali metal group, with an atomic mass of 85.4678. Elemental rubidium is highly reactive, with properties similar to those of other elements in Group 1, such as very rapid oxidation in air. Rubidium has only one ...03:58
nox-SpeedEvil, just use gpsrecorder, it sets the clock from gps03:59
DocScrutinizer05ooh, so same as dcf7703:59
SpeedEvilSort of.03:59
SpeedEvilNot for n900.04:00
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nox-yeah gps is available in more places than dcf7704:03
ecc2gThat Rb clock unit actually has the Rb in it... unlike WWVB/DCF77/GPS... ?04:04
DocScrutinizer05nox-: really?04:04
DocScrutinizer05nox-: GPS has a pretty hard time indoors04:04
SpeedEvilI was sort-of-pondering, with them at half this price - making a little SDR module clocked with the Rb clock - to do position determination of floating balloons.04:05
nox-DocScrutinizer05, hmmmm....04:05
SpeedEvilFrom CW, or near CW signals.04:05
SpeedEvilThese are pulls from mobile phone equipment of some sort.04:05
DocScrutinizer05ecc2g: what?04:08
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer05: This is a primary standard - it does not use radio.04:09
DocScrutinizer05damn, incredible04:11
ecc2gyeah,,, wwvb/dcf77/gps needs radio...  I'm surprised there is a way to measure the oscillation in such a small package unlike Cs04:11
SpeedEvilecc2g: mikeselectricstuff on youtube does a nice teardown of these04:13
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mickaelI was coming to my problem ssu button "reboot device"06:03
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mickaelaction after push button reboot devise with ssu application06:03
mickaelhave you meet this problem06:04
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mickaelto see this button, press the power button on the n900, ssu and choose the application and look in the parameter there is a "reboot devices" button and after the restart I no more character06:07
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ShapeshifterNow I have yet another problem... modest claims 'device storage full. remove data to free memory' even though there are 10G free on mydocs, 790M on opt, 148M on /...07:22
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ShapeshifterAnd HAM doesn't show catalogues anymore. what a mess...07:35
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ShadowJKfs broken, probably went read-only07:46
Shapeshifterfs? hw or sw?07:51
ShapeshifterShadowJK: in any case, I can still create files on all fs07:53
ShapeshifterI also checked for inode limits07:54
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r00t^homeShapeshifter: i found that too, modest's database is rather fragile... it appears to consist of a memory-mapped file with raw C data structures in it...09:58
r00t^homeShapeshifter: and also, maemo will never check or repair the filesystem if it's broken... yay...09:59
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r00t^homeShapeshifter: check dmesg for fs errors, reflash...09:59
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japa-fimy N900 messed up it's /home fs couple of a weeks ago. It happened during regular day, just noticed that I could not browse any of the photos I had taken. Restarted phone and nothing worked properly after that point. Tried to fsck the /home, but there was always some process locking the fs, so I ended up reflashing.10:04
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jpinxjapa-fi: run out of space ?10:07
japa-fijpinx, I don't think so. I did have space on /home. well, at least on MyDocs and I had not done any installing lately10:08
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japa-fiDon't have that many items installed anyway10:09
jpinxonly asking because I almost borked my n900 by taking too many movies ;)10:10
japa-fimy current /home has 1500megs (80%) available, /home/MyDocs lot more.10:11
japa-fiI did have extended call log -software set to store quite bit of call information, so in theory it could have filled up the filespace, but even getting filesystem full don't result to corrupted fs. or does it?10:13
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japa-fiAside the pain of loosing some contact information and some photos I thought I would not think of worth anything, I'm kind of happy that I have now reflashed my phone.10:14
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japa-fiBecause it made me aware of backup menu, I now have latest stable kernel-power (might not had that version prior), have teetian and in general the phone is in good shape without software rot10:15
japa-fiIf I could just get the blessN900 work..10:15
psycho_oreosI thought BackupMenu has ways to allow one to fsck those other partitions that one cannot fsck whilst running the device normally.10:18
japa-fipsycho_oreos, Yes, I didn't have backup menu prior to my crash. It would have saved my butt..10:19
psycho_oreosLooking at "mount" command, it seems that /home is mounted as ext3. I don't think ext3 would normally corrupt data when the partition is already full and there's more data to be inserted. I think the loss of power would be one of the cases that would result in dirty filesystem.10:21
japa-fiKind of irony: at home I have a NAS where I store my stuff (pictures, docs etc). The NAS has 2 drives, one being master, on which an incremental backup is made on daily basis to the slave. On top of that I rsync the contents to a hosted server (which has it's own backups etc). Yet I had no backup strategy for my phone..10:21
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japa-fipsycho_oreos, Yeah, my experiences with ext3 (and ext4) with linux is that it's very difficult to get it corrupted.10:22
psycho_oreosI rememeber when my /home was full (because ironically my /opt was full and needed to move some more stuff into /home/user/MyDocs and /home/user/MyDocs is formatted as ext3 mind you). I couldn't add a new contact, it kept giving me error about unable to store the new contact.10:23
psycho_oreosheh, you learn that a backup strategy would be ideal for devices/smartphones. I guess N900 sort of paved in that way first, especially when tinkering.10:24
psycho_oreosjapa-fi, yeah so I wouldn't personally rule out ext3 to get corrupted when its already full.10:25
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psycho_oreosext4 had issues with large files but that was addressed to years ago.10:25
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japa-fi/dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="Nokia N900" UUID="4BB1-E781" TYPE="vfat"   <-- MyDocs is fat by default10:27
psycho_oreosBlessN900 is also broken on my setup, I am unsure what broke it but I guess I could look into it.10:27
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psycho_oreosYeah its FAT32 by default is for compatibility on many scales. Though I deliberately made mine ext3 for various reasons that suits me.10:28
japa-fipsycho_oreos, BlessN900 and kernel power have something against each other. Removed blessn900 to be able to take images (and scan QR codes)10:28
psycho_oreosjapa-fi, When you had BlessN900 installed and kernel-power you couldn't use any other camera programs to take photos or scan QR codes? o.O hmmm I guess I'll need to look into that. I have BlessN900 installed but I think camera program was still working (except for BlessN900 of course).10:29
japa-fipsycho_oreos, Yes. Having blessN900+kernel power, I could not start the regular camera app. I could not start the mbarcode application, nor blessN900 itself. They would crash prior finnishing loading.10:31
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psycho_oreosjapa-fi, I just took a random photo out of curiousity. Running the latest kp42 here and also have BlessN900 installed. The normal camera app still allows me to take photos, it also stores the photos properly as well it seems.10:34
psycho_oreosFCam seems to be borked on my end, it can take photos but it won't store them. mBarcode works currently with those standard barcodes, I haven't tested QR codes yet.10:37
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psycho_oreosQR code is working, just tested on a random QR code. I guess being able to scan for QR code or those standard barcode works is kinda moot if it already could sense the standard barcode already.10:39
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japa-fipsycho_oreos, Linux Nokia-N900
psycho_oreosjapa-fi, Linux Nokia-N900 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux11:01
japa-fiIs that dev version?11:02
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psycho_oreosNot that I would know having kp52 would necessarily fix anything, I got some errors whilst running blessn900, but the output isn't useful. FCam doesn't seem to report decent errors.11:02
psycho_oreosI think so, not too sure. I usually have extras-devel enabled on my device :)11:03
japa-fiAny strange reboots / shutdowns?11:04
japa-fiPrior my reflashing I had somewhat unstable phone, couple of times a week it would have just turned off unexpectedly which I would only notice after the thing had happened. ("No wonder I got no calls")11:05
psycho_oreosNo strange reboots/shutdowns to my knowledge, though ymmv.11:05
psycho_oreos <-- output of blessn900 from console. Notice how it keeps on saying failed to open panel socket, that was happening right throughout when I was trying to look for a random photo to take and trying to kill cameraui launcher app.11:09
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japa-fipsycho_oreos, how do I see my apt-get history?11:16
japa-fiWith yum i'd do: yum histoy11:17
psycho_oreosjapa-fi, that I wouldn't know :)11:18
psycho_oreosI guess if you still keep the debs of installed files you could probably check the mtime on them.11:18
wndI have no idea what "yum history" does, but on your standard debian installation you'd have /var/log/dpkg.log and more stuff under /var/log/apt11:19
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japa-fiyum history example:
japa-fiyum history info ##  (## is number) will give more details on the transaction11:22
wnddpkg.log would be the closest match that I'm aware of. feel free to write a parser that produces something similar.11:23
japa-fiNokia-N900:~# /opt/blessn900/blessn90011:23
japa-fiCould not parse application stylesheet11:23
japa-fiCannot open '/dev/video0': 2, No such file or directory11:23
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wndactually, /var/log/apt/history.log might be better for quick review11:24
psycho_oreosYeah you have a completely different error. Though the error seems to do with the missing libs or something.11:24
japa-fiinstalling blessN900 pulls fcam_drivers with it. I wonder if there still is a version issue. What is your fcam_drivers version?11:25
japa-fi(and how do I list mine from command line, withtou the GUI)11:25
psycho_oreosdpkg -l| grep fcam11:26
psycho_oreoswnd seems to be on the money there with /var/log/apt/history.log. I googled and haven't found a better alternative.11:26
japa-fifcam-drivers                                        1.0.6-111:28
psycho_oreosPossibly a little outdated I suppose, then again I really don't know if updating fcam-drivers would honestly help.11:28
psycho_oreosI mean FCam on my end can see whatever the camera can see, it can take photos but it cannot store them. There's no meaningful error output from FCam when ran in terminal and I haven't bothered stringing it yet.11:30
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japa-fiEnabled extras-devel and updated fcam_drivers. Now restarting..11:33
japa-fiWhoppee, works.  <-- regular cam would have missed the shadows or burned the highlights11:41
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rikaneejapa-fi: BlessN900 makes the blue vignetting on the N900 really obvious though :(11:46
rikaneealso, probably belongs on #harmattan, but the N9 has a really strong fisheye effect.11:46
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psycho_oreosjapa-fi, you took that photo with FCam not long ago right? I just realised why FCam wasn't saving.. the actual cause was most likely because /home/user/MyDocs/FCamera isn't in trackerd's config or something. I can see all those photos that I took lol.11:50
japa-fipsycho_oreos, Taken: 2013:07:09 11:39:4911:50
japa-fiIt's now 11:50 here :)11:50
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psycho_oreosAhh yeah, definitely just now. So FCam works but not blessn900, hmm.11:51
japa-fiblessn900                                           0.49-411:53
* psycho_oreos rebuilds tracker database.11:53
psycho_oreosSame version as yours.11:53
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psycho_oreosI wonder if fcam-drivers are really needed anymore since kp52. I thought FCam wasn't working so I started diving in and did up a nasty hack by symlinking the installed kp modules (by fcam-drivers package) with the latest kp bundled files. FCam still works apparently.11:55
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psycho_oreosWait.. what.. I just noticed there was EXIF data and you have blessn900 working? o.O11:58
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japa-fipsycho_oreos, yes. installing the updated fcam_drivers from etras-devel did the trick11:59
rikaneeIIRC, the default cam driver does post processing for camera-ui only, and can't do anything fancy, so fcam-drivers will always be needed.11:59
psycho_oreosjapa-fi, funnily enough it doesn't work for me. I'll try reinstalling I suppose after tracker-{indexer,extract} finishes doing rebuilding of db.12:00
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psycho_oreosYeah though in my case I already have fcam-drivers installed and when I load up blessn900 it freezes at the camera screen, showing nothing at all.12:01
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Lava_Croftpsycho_oreos: i think fcam has trouble saving photos anywhere bit MyDocs/DCIM12:07
Lava_Croftin my case i made hdrcapture save photos by making the stock camera a12:08
Lava_Crofter save one in MyDocs/DCIM12:08
Lava_Croftstill its iffy12:09
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DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: fcam drivers are general purpose better cam drivers that give better resilts to all cam apps12:22
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rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: BTW, fcam-drivers dump sensor output to RAM, right?12:25
rikaneeJPEG conversion etc. is done per-app, and a large reason of why fcam-based apps are slightly slower than cam-ui.12:25
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, ahh thanks. Though its probably outdated, the last one that it seems to be compiled on was power44. Then again I guess it doesn't really need fixing/hacking :). I managed to get blessn900 to work all of the sudden, now it seems to save photos much slower than the first photo I managed to take with blessn900. The first photo was really "croppy" :/12:25
DocScrutinizer05I haven't looked into it, but I seem to recall pali telling me that all KP use same fcam driver12:27
DocScrutinizer05so I dunno details about jpeg compression. On a related info I *think* I heard that OMAP DSP does jpeg compressing12:29
rikaneeah, right, the omap-isp does it.12:29
DocScrutinizer05or maybe only de-compressing?12:29
rikaneethere, I remembered - fancy things fcam does isn't built into ISP/DSP firmware, so ISP just dumps whatever the camera module gives out, and fcam processes it.12:30
DocScrutinizer05sounds about right12:31
DocScrutinizer05probably fcan kernel driver for cam module add a function to get raw data12:32
DocScrutinizer05iirc the fcam driver just *added* a few functions12:32
DocScrutinizer05and maybe fixed one or two minor bugs12:33
DocScrutinizer05wouldn't be surprised if it also added new ones12:33
DocScrutinizer05there been an issue with white balance causing greenish pictures in pre-PR1.1 iirc, now with CSSU cam I see occasional flickering between ok'ish picture and that greenish picture in viewfinder12:35
DocScrutinizer05while I can't recall to ever have seen this with stock post-PR1.1 cam driver12:36
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: pretty sure it's a hw errata12:40
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rikaneeblue/green tinting with varying lighting is a thing on the N90012:40
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if that's somehow caused by the "6" in 5-6-5 RGB12:50
DocScrutinizer05but then it was only viewfinder/LCD, since I bet the cam has internal 8-8-812:51
keriodo the pictures come out ok?12:52
DocScrutinizer05I don't know, I seen to never have managed to take a shot when that greenish viewfinder flickered up12:53
jaskacamera probably has twice as many green elements than red or blue12:53
DocScrutinizer05tbh I never investigated in deep, I not even noticed it again ever, until recently12:54
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DocScrutinizer05jaska: right, I forgot about that detail12:58
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DocScrutinizer05well, if you feel curious, there's that cam module datasgheet12:59
DocScrutinizer05somewhere in docs in hidden13:00
DocScrutinizer05(no please do NOT post the correct URL, neither here nor anywhere else)13:01
DrCodeh iall13:06
DrCodehi all13:06
DrCodeI have order today mugen power for n900, what amazed me that its hot item , it mean lots of users uses meamo, didn't know13:07
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DocScrutinizer05I don't think "hot item" does mean a thing13:08
Lava_Croftit makes the N900 too big to put in your jeans pocket though13:08
Lava_Croftand it does not cover the camera13:08
kerioDrCode: it's kind of a bad battery nowadays13:09
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Lava_Crofti got my polarcell 1500mah the other day13:09
kerioin the space of two bl-5js, you get a lot less than twice of what a good bl-5j holds13:09
kerioLava_Croft: suck it, i have a 1600mAh battery13:09
ShadowJKif you've got tight jeans, not even coins will fit in them13:09
ShadowJKso it depends13:09
kerioLava_Croft: (note: only suck it if you want)13:10
DrCodeI read it in meamo site13:10
* DocScrutinizer05 often put beer can or beer bottle in his jeans' pocket13:11
keriosrsly though, this battery is really cool13:11
Lava_Crofti should tie my bl5js together13:11
DocScrutinizer05not exactly confortable ;-P but useful when you need both hands to make a cigarette13:12
anthonie@Doc, who can be contacted with regards to Midgard, if there is anyone still around?13:12
DocScrutinizer05the mugen back cover is well worth it, the battery not so much13:13
DrCodeI see13:13
DrCodewell, I will try it13:13
DocScrutinizer05nemein guys, particularly Rambo/Eero13:13
kerioi can't find that battery on aliexpress again :(13:13
kerioit was listed as a 1700mAh13:14
DrCodeI read that there is possible to make it with two bl5js13:14
DrCodeis there reay made like mugen power?13:14
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DrCodewhat recommanded to buy?13:15
keriothe akku polarcell bl-5j is standard-sized and it's 1500mAh13:15
Lava_Croftand friendly company13:15
keriothe battery i have is unnamed but it's 1600mAh13:15
DocScrutinizer05time to kick bot's ass via ssh, eh?13:16
DocScrutinizer05seems it gone offline 1h ago13:16
keriomy original bl-5j is in the box13:17
kerioi bet it's dead by now13:17
Lava_Crofti had a new one in one of the N900 boxes13:18
Lava_Croftmade me all happy to find it13:18
kerioyeah but it's a subpar battery nowadays13:18
Lava_Croftalways has been13:18
DocScrutinizer05lazy bot13:19
keriosilly human13:19
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infobot- Uptime for purl -13:21
infobotNow: 2m 40s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux13:21
infobot1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 201013:21
infobot2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 200913:21
infobot3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 200913:21
infobotwell, battery is made by Danionics, or at
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys battery13:23
infobotFactoid search of 'battery' by key (12 of 15): as battery acid ;; heh, no bottom view. can't tell if the battery ;; batteryfaq ;; zaurus battery ;; battery damage ;; flips ibot's battery disconnect switch ;; battery-usage ;; wmbattery ;; battery life ;; ipaq battery ;; battery pack ;; true, but the lack of extra battery.13:23
* infobot starts crying and hides from kerio in the darkest corner of the room. :(13:23
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DocScrutinizer05~battery disconnect switch13:27
* infobot powers off, forgetting all of his factoids.13:27
* infobot starts crying and hides from kerio in the darkest corner of the room. :(13:28
keriook, that still works13:28
DocScrutinizer05~batterytest is
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay13:31
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japa-fiRef: batteries. I have quite new Nokia battery, yet it no longer charges more than ~80% (1100mhA as reported by some battery widget)13:41
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kerio"some battery widget"13:43
keriodo a calibration13:43
japa-fiAh, it was qtbatterywidget13:43
keriohave you made a bq27k calibration cycle?13:44
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japa-fiI found
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japa-fi"Remember that regular USB ports current limit is 500 mAh, and use 1050 mA ( 950 mA)."13:53
japa-fiI was under the impression that one can't get more than 500mA from USB unless the device specifically negotiates/requests it13:54
DocScrutinizer05you can't negotiate >500mA, per USB specs13:56
DocScrutinizer05(not even the range of the value allows it, it's a byte*4mA iirc)13:57
DocScrutinizer05or even *2mA13:57
DocScrutinizer05~bq27k-calibration is
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay13:59
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japa-fifor the discharging: Should I just leave the display on, or additionally have some nasty webpage in Opera. Those seem to drain the CPU quite fast?14:03
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Lava_Croftread what the post you linked says14:03
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japa-fitells to discharge the battery...14:04
Lava_Croft"For proper unattended discharging/calibrating during you're asleep in the night, you want to set screen backlight to 'always on' and level 5 (will result in discharge during ~4h). "14:04
DocScrutinizer05japa-fi: that depends on what you want to achieve14:04
Lava_Crofti dont know if this works while sleeping during daytime14:04
DocScrutinizer05the calibration result will vary depending on how hard to discharge the battery, 100% accurate calibration only for usage pattern that's similar to your calibration scenario14:06
DocScrutinizer05higher load results in lower tested battery capacity14:06
DocScrutinizer05obviously higher load also results in faster calibration since discharge phase takes shorter ;-)14:07
japa-fiHow do I set the screen backlight "always on"? I can select only up to 2 minutes14:07
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rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: so the proper way to discharge is via "slow drip" to avoid dropping battery voltage too fast?14:08
DocScrutinizer05on a rule of thumb you might discharge a battery to a nominal measured capacity of 1600mAh when device sits in standby idle with drawing only 10mA (takes 160h then), while with brute force discharge you meter same cell at only 1200mAh (discharge takes 2h then)14:09
DocScrutinizer05japa-fi: I use simple brightness applet for that. Indispensible applet14:09
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: depends on what you want to calibrate to14:10
japa-fiPerhaps I'll start by using the battery to halfway before going to the test process..14:10
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer05: 'you can't negotiate' - A USB2 peripheral can speak USB1, and use features not present in the USB1 standard - like class devices say. If you update the firmware on your USB2 device to say it's USB3, can you then if plgugged into a USB3 socket do 900mA?14:10
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: cell behave different to each other, when you compare ratio between fast and slow discharge14:10
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: I have no faintest idea14:11
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DocScrutinizer05japa-fi: the calibration script starts by *charging* the battery!14:12
SpeedEvilIn principle, I should read the US2 spec14:12
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DocScrutinizer05I admit I didn't yet14:12
DocScrutinizer05japa-fi: so the best way to use my calibration script is to plug in the device to fastcharger when you "come home", and then simply start the script. You'll find your device fully charged after some hours longer than usually needed for normal charging, but calibrated bq27k14:14
DocScrutinizer05however keep in mind that bq27k is NOT used by "normal" (HAL/bme-based) battery meters14:15
DocScrutinizer05so unless you use or or one of the more nifty GUI meters that are based on bq27* I2C-get or kernel drivers (only available in KP), you won't see a difference14:17
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infoboti heard bq27k-detail is
infobothmm... bq27k-detail is
japa-fiDocScrutinizer05, any nifty gui meters that you could recomend?14:20
kerioDocScrutinizer05: my battery is 1600mAh at a ~200mA constant draw14:20
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: that's pretty good14:20
kerioit was 1400mAh during the winter, though14:21
DocScrutinizer05as a general rule those cells that have higher capacity also lose more of the available capacity on fast discharge14:21
kerioi wonder if the 1700mAh rating was done through a very slow discharge14:21
japa-fiIn the settings window you can choose the informations to display, the type of percentage (module bq27x00, standard or dr_frost_dk based on his battery meter widget), the percentage style (graphical, standard progressbar or textual) and the widget opacity.14:22
japa-fiI guess I had one already :--)14:22
* kerio almost suggests the whole bme replacement thing14:22
DocScrutinizer0510mA/500mA:  1100mAh-cell: 1100mAh/1000mAh      1600mAh-cell: 1600mAh/1150mAh14:22
DocScrutinizer05kerio: generally those ratings are *supposed* to be made at (iirc) C/1014:23
kerioyeah but it's a chinese battery :)14:23
kerioi want to believe that they didn't outright lie14:24
keriothey just obfuscated the truth14:24
DocScrutinizer05at 1mA you can probably push a 1300mAh cell to 2200mAh14:24
keriounlike those 2700mAh "high capacity" batteries that end up being 80014:24
keriomh, neat14:24
kerioyou can't quite do that on a n900 though14:24
keriothe absolute lowest i managed to get was like 8mA14:25
DocScrutinizer05unless you parallel 30 or 40 of those cells ;-P Now THAT would be a nice mugen cover XP14:25
kerioi wonder why they always pair two bl-5js14:27
kerioinstead of a bl-5j and a slightly bigger battery14:27
keriobecause of balancing issues of some sorts?14:27
DocScrutinizer05generally the higher the capacity of a given formfactor cell, the higher the ESR. And a higher ESR causes higher loss on high discharge current, while on very low discharge current ESR is mostly irrelevant14:27
kerioit seems counterintuitive though14:28
keriois that effect big enough to offset having a higher capacity?14:28
DocScrutinizer05nah, it's very plausible14:28
DocScrutinizer05and no, it usually isn't offsetting your higher capacity, until you trip a certain discharge current threshold14:29
DocScrutinizer05(ESR) the higher the capacity, the thinner are your anodes to achieve larger active surface. Thinner annode means higher ESR14:30
DocScrutinizer05(simplified picture)14:30
kerioso there's nothing more to battery design?14:31
kerioevery li-ion is just the same thing with slightly different parameters?14:31
DocScrutinizer05yes, basically that's it14:32
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keriopff, EE is easy14:32
DocScrutinizer05with same cell chemistry all cells are somewhat alike, just changing parameters like surface structure and thickness of anodes, minor tweaks to electrolyte, etc14:33
japa-fiI'm missing the module bq27x00 for the qtbatterywidget :(14:33
DocScrutinizer05japa-fi: this module comes with KP14:34
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japa-fiDocScrutinizer05, enabled by default?14:34
japa-fi(I have kp50)14:34
DocScrutinizer05and it's deprecated since it causes bme to segfault on restarts14:35
DocScrutinizer05thus it's blacklisted in KP49+14:35
DocScrutinizer05japa-fi: find a battery meter app that uses I2Cget, this will work on all systems *except* those with bq27x00 kernel module loaded14:38
DocScrutinizer05bq27x00 module MUST stay blacklisted unless you take special care about bme, possibly even completely replacing it, or making sure that bme always gets started when bq27x00 module is UNLOADED14:39
DocScrutinizer05since bq27x00 module makes bme segfault on startup, and that causes even bootloops14:40
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DocScrutinizer05sure it's basically fremantle's/bme's fault, but for standard fremantle systems the standard bq27x00 module is forbidden14:41
DocScrutinizer05it's incompatible14:42
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: bme proprietary?14:42
DocScrutinizer05bme is a closed blob, yes14:42
jon_yhmm, that sucks14:42
DocScrutinizer05and it uses direct /dev/i2c access to bq27200 chip14:42
jon_yas in open()?14:43
DocScrutinizer05bq27x00 module exclusively locks that /dev/i2c permanently and thus bme when trying to open it -> segfault14:43
DocScrutinizer05sime nifty fool added a botch to kp<48 to *globally* *disable* locking :-O14:44
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keriobme sucks, yeah14:45
kerioa segfault is as far as you can get from a graceful failure, really14:45
DocScrutinizer05resulted in bme not segfaulting on trying to open 7dev/i2c when bq27x00 module loaded, but it might cause collisions on i2c bus resulting in arbitrary stuff in hardware emitting blue magic smoke14:45
DocScrutinizer05kerio: for bme it doesn't matter *how* it quits. DSME will reboot the device anyway ;-P14:46
DocScrutinizer05resulting in our beloved bootloop when you un-blacklist bq27x00 module14:48
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DocScrutinizer05unless you tweak initscripts really hard to not even try to start bme via dsmetool14:48
DocScrutinizer05even then you're fscked since no more charging, which pretty much defeats any reasonable purpose of bq27x00 module ;-P14:49
DocScrutinizer05so, bottomline: bq27x00 module is useful *only* for bme-replacement14:50
jon_yput a dummy bme module?14:51
keriobme is not a module14:51
DocScrutinizer05and even then it's pathetic afaik, by not exposing all the info from bq27200 chip, and mangling other info fubar14:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: otoh, usb host mode with battery indicator and stuff14:51
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: you could do that, but then you lose charging14:51
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: sigh14:52
DocScrutinizer05yeah, hostmode immanetly garbles battery meter, since it also needs to stop bme14:52
DocScrutinizer05but you can't do much about that unless you replace hald-addon-bme by sth that doesn't mind bme not running14:53
DocScrutinizer05which is what pali's bme-replacement is all about, basically14:53
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DocScrutinizer05or at least it's the crux of that bme-replacement project14:54
DocScrutinizer05ooh, on a stack-pop back to last night: the 1/3 blackout was for all houses on left side of my street. The energy company didn't know about any such problem until this morning ;-P14:56
jon_yheh, reminds me when the cell towers were out once14:57
jon_ynobody could call the cell provider :)14:57
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders what galaxy his neighbours are from, that not a single one of several dozen houses with several flats each noticed the problem until 8h after it happened14:57
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jon_yI don't know what insanity happened but the service provider went black on the whole country14:58
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: wow, 8h to fix a blackout?14:58
jon_yabout blackouts14:58
jon_yI had one that was 2 days long :|14:58
jon_yit isn't that bad now14:59
DocScrutinizer05even more exciting: when I opened the warm water tap in my bathroom (24kW heater), my bathroom light went on, for a short while and dim. Now I assume that also "the bathroom light" of 2 dozen other hoeses' flats went on same time :-o14:59
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: you live in a place with winter?15:00
DocScrutinizer05not now though15:00
DocScrutinizer05but yeah, we have winters here15:00
DocScrutinizer05during December15:00
jon_yok, I have not seen warm water taps around15:01
kerioDocScrutinizer05: are you kidding me15:01
jon_yexcept when I travel to countries further north15:01
keriogermany is cold all the fucking time15:01
DocScrutinizer05~weather EDDN15:01
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2013.07.09 1150 UTC; Dew Point: 51 F (11 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.21 in. Hg (1023 hPa); Relative Humidity: 39%; Temperature: 78 F (26 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ENE (060 degrees) at 6 MPH (5 KT) (direction variable)15:01
jaska~weather efva15:01
kerio26 C15:01
infobotVaasa, Finland; (EFVA) 63-03N 021-46E; last updated: 2013.07.09 1150 UTC; Dew Point: 48 F (9 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.97 in. Hg (1015 hPa); Relative Humidity: 52%; Temperature: 66 F (19 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the SSW (210 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 KT) (direction variable)15:01
jon_y26C is kind of nice, isn't it?15:02
keriomy A/C is currently at 2715:02
jaska26c is a bit too hot15:02
DocScrutinizer05indeed, I should close the windows15:02
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jon_yaverage around 30s here in the noon15:02
DocScrutinizer05oops, already closed15:02
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jon_ySTAY IN DOORS, you are not supposed to weather the sun15:02
merlin1991I'm just waiting for the 32 to come here again15:03
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: I can see why you don't have warn errr cold water taps15:03
merlin1991yay for vienna where the temperature goes between -10 and +34 each year :D15:03
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: just a single tap :)15:03
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jon_ysome places have warm/cold taps, but they really connect to the same pipes15:03
jaskait goes between -35 +30 here15:04
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DocScrutinizer05probably you're happy when the water is less than 25°C15:04
rikanee26C, hot?15:04
jaska-40 some years15:04
rikanee32-35C @ ~100% humidity.15:04
jon_y25 water is COLD for me15:04
merlin1991okay jaska, you win :D15:04
DocScrutinizer05check out Moskow15:05
DocScrutinizer05-45 to +40 iirc15:05
jon_ybtw, I saw something perculiar today, a C++ programmer called assembly listing "bytecode"15:05
jon_ywtf bytecode??15:05
jon_ysupposedly a C++11 lecturer15:05
kerioit's code, and it's made of bytes!15:06
DocScrutinizer05like C++15:06
jon_yI tend to think interpreters and VMs when bytecode comes in15:06
DocScrutinizer05and rightly so15:06
DocScrutinizer05bytecode is close to P-code15:07
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yeah but you can't be certain that a text file is valid c++15:07
DocScrutinizer05in _my_ semantics15:07
jon_yalso, int i; sizeof(i) <- runtime object information <-wtf??15:07
jon_yman, I don't even know wtf15:07
keriowhich is my favourite c++ horror15:07
jon_yC does that, and it sure as hell is compile time15:07
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keriosizeof becomes runtime on stuff like VLAs15:08
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keriobut that's also in C99, iirc15:08
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jon_yhmm I never tried sizeof on VLAs15:09
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* DocScrutinizer05 giggles at c++ coders breaking their fingers and screwing their brain trying to code assembler level stuff in c++15:09
jon_yhe actually did15:10
jon_ywith objdump15:10
jon_ywhich he calls the disassembly code as bytecode15:10
DocScrutinizer05it usually goes like "well, MY compiler does late binding there" "but the microsoft compiler does early binding"15:11
jon_yhmm, sizeof is still compile time with vla15:12
DocScrutinizer05isn't it a bless to always use the exactly right tool for the task at hand? ;-P15:12
jon_yint a[argc] says sizeof(a) is 415:12
jon_yman, I feel almost like an old fart I read his lecture notes15:13
jon_y> using short instead of int for returning main()15:14
keriowait, what15:14
kerioshort main(int argc, char **argv)?15:14
keriowhat the FUCK15:14
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jon_yint main() {short ret; ... return ret;}15:14
jon_yhis logic was $? goes only up to 25515:15
keriooh, meh15:15
jon_yfacepalm worthy15:15
kerioit gets converted to int anyway, doesn't it15:15
* DocScrutinizer05 is temped to tell that story for the 1000th time, about that guy at Siemens who knew zilch but excel, and he wrote his own excel-based text editor, one char per spreadsheet cell15:15
jon_yhe says it ended up as an error in gcc C++11 mode15:15
WizzupDocScrutinizer05: wat15:16
jon_ytext editor in excel...15:16
keriojon_y: return static_cast<int> (ret);15:16
DocScrutinizer05figure: line wrapping. proportional spacing15:16
jon_ybtw, C++ is nasty if you want to teach low level stuff15:16
DocScrutinizer05ebe s imple insert15:16
DocScrutinizer05even a simple insert15:17
keriojon_y: C is good enough for that, i guess15:17
jon_ytry echo '#include <iostream>' | gcc -xc++ - -o- -s -S15:17
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jon_yiostream needs constructors too15:17
keriomalloc() *all* the elements of a linked list! _ò/15:17
DocScrutinizer05that's c++15:17
DocScrutinizer05refer to qt3-richtext-edit15:18
DocScrutinizer05needed 30 or 40 bytes PER CHAR15:18
jon_ykerio: giant single blokc linked list?15:18
keriono, no15:18
kerioa malloc() for each element15:18
jon_yoh yeah, qt3 was infamous for that15:18
keriobecause linked lists are great!15:18
keriotbh, most libcs will probably optimize that kind of stuff15:19
jon_yonly useful if you really can't know how long the stuff will be15:19
DocScrutinizer05and twice as much on destructing the object - MUHAHAHA15:19
kerioand optimize malloc($small_value) in some way15:19
keriojon_y: not even that, really15:20
kerioauto-incrementing arrays are still amortized O(1) for append15:20
kerioso an array-based linked list will still be better15:20
jon_yoh you mean STL?15:20
DocScrutinizer05in twinklephone there been a "watch logs" menu function. For my usual log size of 1..2MB it was a sure way to bring that poor little laptop with its 192MB RAM to a grinding halt15:21
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you're lying, that's just 80MB15:21
DocScrutinizer05kerio: no, you're silly, there was a full KDE3 running as well15:21
keriokde3 on 192MB of ram? D:15:22
jon_y4GB of swap15:22
kerioexcept when trying to open a 1MB text file15:22
DocScrutinizer05192MB RAM, P-II-30015:22
DocScrutinizer05or was it CF-25?15:22
keriomeh, my first computer ever was a 500MHz P315:23
* kerio gets off doc's lawn15:23
* jon_y too15:23
jon_yoh wait15:23
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jon_ymy first PC was Pentium 133Mhz15:23
DocScrutinizer05my first computer ever was a nascom with a z80 and 4kb of RAM15:23
* jon_y stays off DocScrutinizer05's lawn now15:24
DocScrutinizer05unless you count the HP25 as a computer15:24
keriodid it compute?15:24
anthonieDocScrutinizer05: You around, I could use some info on the maemo database, perhaps you could make me a table dump?15:24
jon_ydo you own a targeting solution calculator?15:24
kerioi own a laptop!15:25
jon_ymechanical computer for artilleries :)15:25
DocScrutinizer05kerio: the nascom? sure, did awesome audio-dtmf-decoding, and game-of-life on a 25*48 matrix15:25
keriodid it work by firing actual bullets at the enemy?15:25
jon_ythe mechanical computer?15:26
kerioif you hit, you had the correct aim15:26
jon_yno, it fired real rounds15:26
jon_yat aircraft and battleships15:26
keriowhich ballistic model did it use?15:26
jon_ythat I have no idea15:26
keriogravity pulls down, air friction pulls backwards linearly with your speed?15:27
jon_ymaybe even an idealized model15:28
jon_yno air friction :)15:28
keriodon't be silly15:28
kerio*that* is a significant change15:28
keriootherwise, you just get parabolae15:28
jon_ythey still needed human crews15:28
jon_yso crew experience still count15:28
jon_yiirc you could input the wind speed15:29
jon_yand direction of course15:29
keriooh right, wind15:29
jon_ysometimes called firecontrol15:30
jon_ythese days, even tank crews don't need to fire by eyeballing15:31
jon_yset your target and the computer adjusts the gun angle15:31
merlin1991and even compensates for "road" bumps if you move15:31
jon_yfire on the move is the in-thing today for tanks15:32
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: that's done by an inertial system coupled to the gun15:33
DocScrutinizer05the gun incl targeting system don't even notice there's abump in the street15:34
jon_ythat's one smooth ride15:35
DocScrutinizer05ugh, only 1kB usable RAM15:38
DocScrutinizer05too small even for tinybasic15:38
DocScrutinizer05didn't matter, I programmed it in hex15:39
jon_yI think some microcontrollers I used still have have hex file uploads15:40
DocScrutinizer05I still might recall 0xcd call-subroutine  and 0xc9 return-from-subroutine15:40
jon_yespecially the PIC series15:40
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jon_yyeah, I did PIC16 asm for awhile15:40
DocScrutinizer05prolly I missed15:40
DocScrutinizer05sorry, ~30 years ago15:41
jon_yyou get a real appreciation for C ABI and stack15:41
jon_ythen again I was compiling code in my head :)15:41
DocScrutinizer05>>The Nascom computers were very useful for learning about microcomputer hardware and, through complete documentation, also learning system programming. All electronic schematics, datasheets of special components and the complete source code of the monitor were available from the beginning.<<15:46
psycho_oreosSo much for installing fennec 17 only to have it failing on older libstdc++6.15:46
jon_yit was possible to build your own out of PNP/NPN transistors?15:47
jon_yor various FET flavors15:47
DocScrutinizer05ooh btw, you heard about it? opera got rooted15:47
DocScrutinizer05deployed malware15:47
jon_yno, what happened?15:47
DocScrutinizer05>>This has allowed them to distribute malicious software which incorrectly appears to have been published by Opera Software, or appears to be the Opera browser.<<15:49
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DocScrutinizer05>>It is possible that a few thousand Windows users, who were using Opera between 01.00 and 01.36 UTC on June 19th, may automatically have received and installed the malicious software.<<15:50
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kerioproprietary software!15:58
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jon_ykerio: more like trusted computing16:12
jon_y*we* insist this code is for your own good16:12
DocScrutinizer05epic read in the comments anyway16:12
DocScrutinizer05and again I think got the point16:13
DocScrutinizer05almost at least16:14
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: you aren't supposed to fix it16:14
DocScrutinizer05sorry to pester you with nonsense about WINDOWS program security vulnerabilities, anyway16:14
jon_yyou are supposed to buy a new one! :)16:14
kerioDocScrutinizer05: people want to use opera on all sorts of OSes16:15
jon_yI had a colleague that came in favor of consumerism16:15
DocScrutinizer05CBA about windoze, soory a lot16:15
jon_yif only I was awash with money as those capitalists16:15
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* DocScrutinizer05 now ponders what's to be done about sustained security of infra, assuming some of our sysops/maintainers *might* have windows devices that got compromised and ftp et al passwords stolen16:20
DocScrutinizer05probably check logs and nuke accounts of every maintainer using windows ;-P16:21
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: lock it down and become a dictator for life?16:22
jon_yautokrator DocScrutinizer05!16:23
keriohey, BDFL works for python16:23
jon_ynothing goes through without your piercing gaze16:23
jon_ycan DocScrutinizer05 put the whole world in a bottle?16:24
DocScrutinizer05in a buckyball16:28
DocScrutinizer05~wiki buckyball16:29
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{about|the molecule|the magnetic toy|neodymium magnet toys}} {{Chembox | Watchedfields = changed | verifiedrevid = 455081104 | ImageFileL1 = Buckminsterfullerene.svg | ImageSizeL1 = 120px | ImageFileR1 = Buckminsterfullerene-perspective-3D-balls.png | ImageSizeR1 = 120px | IUPACName = (C60-Ih)[5,6]fullerene | OtherNames = Buckyball; Fullerene-C60; [60]fullerene | Section1 = ...16:29
DocScrutinizer05mhm, 60 carbon atoms16:29
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: nah, it was a reference to Superman Red Son16:30
jon_yLex Luthor successfully makes Superman question himself and cry with an armor piercing question16:30
jon_ySuperman tries to do good and all that btw16:31
jon_ycomic was better than the new movie16:32
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DocScrutinizer05/cmd to:cluster-5687.33.685673/* query:augment-database[domain:root];topic:superman&&lex_luthor;target:valid-answers limit:load=30%;timeout=360000000016:39
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, one of my subprograms had a malfunction16:40
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DocScrutinizer05basically skynet is based on a huge but simple massively distributed RDBMS16:42
DocScrutinizer05sometimes routing of one of the agents fails16:43
jon_ycan I have a ddos ruin it?16:43
jon_yor sql injection16:43
DocScrutinizer05you can try ;-)16:43
jon_yLuke Sqlker, you're my only hope!16:44
jon_ynot sure what r2d2 and c3po is supposed to be here16:44
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# uptime16:45
DocScrutinizer05 16:08:07 up 19 days,  1:23, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.0016:45
DocScrutinizer05damn, it rebooted mid-mission16:46
* DocScrutinizer05 starts designing T100016:47
win7macyayay, just got award of contract to shoot 5 TV commercials :-)))))16:47
win7macshort, but nice ones...Elitepartner16:50
jon_ywin7mac: what are you advertising?16:51
jon_yelection campaigns?16:51
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win7maclol... for a partner agency16:52
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jon_ywhat does that agency do?16:52
jon_ydoes it specialize in destabilizing working governments? :)16:53
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jon_yor planting false dissent?16:54
jon_ytotally, when fnord fnord fnord16:54
win7macdid that ^ last year16:57
jon_yeek, html5 vid didn't load16:58
jon_ynice voice over though16:58
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DocScrutinizer05as long as it's no "RUF MICH AN!!!!"17:45
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DocScrutinizer050900-666666 only 5$/min17:46
DocScrutinizer05not that I'd spend money on those phonecalls, but the TV adds suck donkeyballs17:46
DocScrutinizer05pertucularly when repeated 5 times in series, like old horny men were similar to kids and need teletubby stile adds17:47
DocScrutinizer05particularly* damn!17:47
win7macOne of the funniest shootings I had was in the "porno valley"/North Hollywood... 2 weeks porno only (Reportage)17:48
win7macthat was years ago, when I was an assistant though... boy had we fun...17:49
Lava_Crofti like dating sites for people at a certain level17:49
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Lava_Croftit says "it doesnt matter we spent 20 years in uni and now make 200k a year"17:50
Lava_Croft"we still cant find any poontang"17:50
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win7maclol, just learned another word, thanks17:53
Lava_Croftim fairly sure what word that is17:54
win7macLOL, here's another synonym: bearded clam17:57
Lava_Croftpink taco17:59
Lava_Croftyou can go on forever:P17:59
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win7macwhisker biscuit, but we should probably stop now or Doc will kick us18:01
DocScrutinizer05you're probably right18:02
win7macI'm sure you know some funny ones too...18:04
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DocScrutinizer05I tried to find a few youtupe URLs for "call any veg'table", "find her finer", but all I been able to find was "the torture never stops" and "Dinah Mo hum" ;-P18:13
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anthonie_@sixwheeledbeast: I am seriously impressed with the mess called Midgard...18:20
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DocScrutinizer05(sindenote: @ not needed)18:22
DocScrutinizer05GOD my typing sucks today18:22
win7macDoc, you seem a real Zappa fan... hardly related but funny lyrics too:
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anthonie_it's bad doc, because now I have this line in my head that refuses to leave "Moving to Montana soon"18:27
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infoboti heard rescue-os is
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anthonie_Right now, there is a channel file missing, which is needed to continue install of Midgard. Not sure if it can still be found, but the reply from Piotras does not make me very optimistic18:42
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anthonie_sixwheeledbeast could you have a look at the privatepaste I just posted to DocScrut?18:51
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sixwheeledbeastanthonie_: was afk and have no logs due to being offline, will you re-post.18:53
sixwheeledbeastjust walked in from work18:54
DocScrutinizer05well, I at least have no clue how and from where to install midgard18:54
anthonie_it's about a channel file, needed for the install, and it's not to be found anymore...18:54
freemangordonany idea how to repair corrupted ubifs?18:55
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DocScrutinizer05"gona be a mental toss flycoon"18:55
anthonie_which sounds really silly, as a reason NOT to be able to install the thing. I went jumping through hoops configuring everything on my webserver and now it is stalled because of a silly 404...18:55
anthonie_Why did zappa never make a good song about 404's?18:56
DocScrutinizer05probably because he died before 404 became any popular18:56
anthonie_@doc, I seem to have gotten a clue today18:56
sixwheeledbeastanthonie_: is this link regarding current m.o installation?18:56
anthonie_ah that was the wrong thing to do, bad  Zappa!18:57
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sixwheeledbeastare they logs from #midgard per chance?18:57
anthonie_yes, the' re logs18:57
anthonie_This site is no longer alive: ragnaroek.pear.midgard-project.org18:58
DocScrutinizer05yes, I seem to recall woody said they even removed manuals and docs for midgard118:58
anthonie_so, i am wondering if on the maemo server, we perhaps could find that channel file, as it has been downloaded at least once in order to install Midgard on maemo.org18:59
anthonie_yes, I used the manuals from the webarchive!! jay!!18:59
DocScrutinizer05what channel file?19:00
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anthonie_it's a so called "channel" file which contains definitions on site modules19:01
DocScrutinizer05I dount that will help much, when the rest of ragnaroek/pear is missing as well19:02
DocScrutinizer05root@www1:/var/lib/midgard/vhosts/ locate channel.xml  ->zilch19:02
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer51: thanks for that near-automated battery calib script19:06
Lava_Croftseems to work fine19:06
DocScrutinizer05I hope so :-)19:06
DocScrutinizer05anyway cya l8r19:08
anthonie_DocScrutinizer05 you're right, would still need other stuff from ragnaroek.19:09
anthonie_Hopefully I can still find a source package somewhere and do it from there19:09
anthonie_thanks for the help, anyway19:10
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anthonie_DocScrutinizer05 Any chance that Woody might still know where he found those files?19:23
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DocScrutinizer05might that help? (from .bash_history) wget
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anthonie_I am afraid not, I have that one, and it contains, believe it or not, hardcoded url's...19:32
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DocScrutinizer05probably not, since: rm -r Midgard_AllinOne-8.09.9/19:33
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anthonie_anthonie@anthonie-laptop:~$ ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep midgard19:36
DocScrutinizer05I honestly don't even know what to look for19:38
anthonie_don't worry, no need to look, it will contain the same hardcoded url to look for pear channels.19:39
DocScrutinizer05so what are you looking for, and why do you think woody knows where to get itß19:40
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anthonie_think, not, hoping is more the word19:42
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I can't help19:44
anthonie_let me see, who has been the last person installing/configuring the Midgard to the maemo server?19:44
DocScrutinizer05I dunno19:47
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anthonie_how do I find out?19:48
DocScrutinizer05I dunno19:49
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anthonie_DocScrutinizer sorry, last question, who on maemo might know?19:56
DocScrutinizer05isn't that same as last question?19:57
DocScrutinizer05anyway, I suggest you ask Rambo/Eero/mashiara19:57
DocScrutinizer05probably best catch him on #midgard19:58
DocScrutinizer05or Bergie19:58
anthonie_will do19:58
DocScrutinizer05seems to me Bergie invented midgard19:58
anthonie_ok, thanks19:59
DocScrutinizer05Eero did service and migration#119:59
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DocScrutinizer05~seen mashiara20:00
infoboti haven't seen 'mashiara', DocScrutinizer0520:00
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narcosHi all. I'm trying to get these 'bleeding edge' wifi drivers working -
narcosBut, I have powerkernel v52 on my N900. It seems to require v5020:32
narcosCan I downgrade my power kernel?20:32
narcosI've found on a forum somseone suggesting this command:  apt-get install kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo4620:34
narcosbut this gives me "E: version '2.6.28-maemo46' for 'kernel-power' was not found20:36
narcos( or ?.-maemo50 )20:36
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Lava_Croftheh, this merlin1991 is the same one that's involved with gtkradiant?20:40
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narcosHm, I wonder if I  dpkg -i kernel-power-[flasher,headers,modules]_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb ?20:47
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* narcos tries uninstalling existing power kernel first20:57
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narcosHm, that seemed to wkr21:07
narcoswireless modules still won't load though21:07
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narcosStill get "-1: invalid module format"21:10
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narcosEven though uname -a tells me power46 now, which should be fine21:10
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narcosAny ideas? :-(21:11
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Paliupdate to last kernel power v5221:12
Paliit has packet injection drivers included21:12
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Lava_Croftaww poor guy21:13
Lava_Crofthe just downgraded from that21:13
Palinarcos: use script for loading drivers21:13
infobotit has been said that kp is
narcosDoh. What Lava_Croft said :(21:14
Paliinfobot: no, kp is
infobotPali: okay21:14
narcosI have another n900 with v52, lemme try it on that one21:15
narcosbrb gotta move laptop to that room21:15
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narcosThat seemed to work :)21:37
narcosI wish I'd known that earlier :)21:37
narcosk, let's upgrade other phone's kernel back to v5221:37
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DocScrutinizer05((* narcos tries uninstalling existing power kernel first)) NEVER unistall kernels!!!21:47
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narcosDocScrutinizer05: Oops. I installed the stock kernel first. Was folloing a tutorial from maemo.org22:04
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narcosDocScrutinizer05: BTW, Hi, haven't been on here for ages :-)22:04
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narcosPutting power-kernelv52 back on my other n900. It seems I just need to do a 'apt-get install kernel-power-settings' and reboot for this, right?22:27
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narcosHm, that seemed to install v5022:31
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narcosHTF did I install v52 on this before.22:36
narcosIt's 4 months ago now.22:36
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DocScrutinizer05via dplg -i ?22:42
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DocScrutinizer05dpkg even22:42
narcosI suspect that is how I did it before, which is why I've just noticed Extras-Devel isn't isn't in my repo22:43
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DocScrutinizer05err nope, says it's in extras-devel22:43
DocScrutinizer05well that explains it then22:44
narcosToo many N900s22:44
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psycho_oreosNothing wrong with having too much of the good stuff ;)22:53
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narcospycho_oreos: I've been side-lining my N900s for the BeagleBone of late22:59
narcosIt's a very nice single computer board.22:59
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