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| shawnjefferson | ~seen DocScrutinzer51 | 01:02 |
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| infobot | i haven't seen 'docscrutinzer51', shawnjefferson | 01:02 |
| win7mac | gn o/ | 01:03 |
| shawnjefferson | ~seen DocScrutinizer05 | 01:03 |
| infobot | docscrutinizer05 is currently on #maemo (2d 8h 42m 10s) #openmoko (2d 8h 42m 10s) #n9 (2d 8h 42m 10s) #harmattan (2d 8h 42m 10s) #meego (2d 8h 42m 10s) #maemo-ssu (2d 8h 42m 10s) #infobot (2d 8h 42m 10s) #openmoko-cdevel (2d 8h 42m 10s). Has said a total of 414 messages. Is idling for 1h 15m 8s, last said: 'I think he meant break like "... into two halves"'. | 01:03 |
| shawnjefferson | hi | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi | 01:11 |
| shawnjefferson | what does it mean to request to be the maintainer of a package? What happens after clicking that button? | 01:14 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I guess e-mail to the current maintainers, NFC if that works now or if it is midgard magic. | 01:17 |
| shawnjefferson | hmmm, I sent a pm to the current maintainer of atari800, but no email yet. I've got a compiled version of v3.0.0 ready to go. trying to figure out how to get it into extras-dev and hopefully into extras testing eventually | 01:19 |
| shawnjefferson | I also sent an invitation request for access to autobuilder/extras. who is currently approving those? | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's merlin1991 and/or me | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already wondered if atari800 is free of copyrighted stuff that would get us into trouble | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and you never get compiled versions of anything into extras-* | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the procedure is to upload the source to autobuilder | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is the only way to allow review of the true sourcecode | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise everybody could upload whatever they like, incl all flavours of malware | 01:46 |
| bef0rd | has anyone tried to upload malware/malicious packages? | 01:47 |
| shawnjefferson | atari800 doesn't contain any copyrighted material, the roms are not included | 01:48 |
| shawnjefferson | I would upload the source of course to autobuilder | 01:48 |
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| shawnjefferson | Atari has been touchy in the past about anyone using the trademarked name "Atari", but frankly the n900 is probably off their radar. the upstream package is still named atari800 although to get into the google store they had to rename the port to Colleen | 01:50 |
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| GI_Jack | new n900 arrives in the mail, just waiting on the new USB port | 03:17 |
| GI_Jack | longshot, but I'm now looking for hydrophobic spray on coating for circut boards, anyone? | 03:22 |
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| GI_Jack | phase one is successful I now have an n900 with a bright orange and green front bezel | 05:20 |
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| Lava_Croft | anyone here have experience with coloured replacement shells for the n900 | 09:26 |
| ShadowJK | didn't know such things existed | 09:27 |
| Lava_Croft | http://www.ebay.nl/itm/WHITE-Full-Housing-Cover-Case-Faceplate-For-Nokia-N900-Keypad-/180809287638?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1912c7d6#ht_4709wt_1240 | 09:27 |
| Lava_Croft | for example | 09:27 |
| Lava_Croft | ive seen them years ago already, but im getting the itch | 09:28 |
| Lava_Croft | want to toy with it | 09:28 |
| Lava_Croft | http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/chinabya/n900-w_______.jpg | 09:28 |
| Lava_Croft | its so wrong that it looks right | 09:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you've seen the golden one? | 10:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's wrong | 10:38 |
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| eijk_ | Hi! What does it mean when the N900 plays a short sound on shut-down (after the screen turned black)? It doesn't happen always. | 10:49 |
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| cehteh | prolly just a timing bug, iirc its supposed to play a sound, but sometimes it shuts faster down (pulse?) | 10:55 |
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| Lava_Croft | Dont think I ever heard my N900 utter a sound upon shutdown | 18:27 |
| Lava_Croft | Now im curious! | 18:27 |
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| wnd | I think I've heard "battery low" sound at most five times. I've heard it at least twice the moment I've shoved in the recharger plug. | 18:32 |
| Lava_Croft | my polarcell battery just arrived | 18:33 |
| Lava_Croft | a whopping 1500mah | 18:33 |
| Lava_Croft | i bet i barely notice the difference | 18:33 |
| Lava_Croft | also great to see german company use air mail to send to the Netherlands | 18:34 |
| entitled | if your original battery i several years old, then you most definetely see a difference | 18:34 |
| Lava_Croft | i use 4 different BL-5J's with differing ages | 18:35 |
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| Lava_Croft | i see how old it is by looking at the plastic wrap on the battery | 18:35 |
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| Lava_Croft | the older the battery, the more peeled off the wrap is due to removing the battery from n900 | 18:35 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 18:35 |
| Lava_Croft | but yeah, even the newest battery is at least a year old | 18:36 |
| AndrewX192 | I have 5 BL-5J batteries + a portable charger | 18:39 |
| Lava_Croft | DT-33 from Nokia | 18:39 |
| AndrewX192 | my battery life is less than two hours :( | 18:39 |
| Lava_Croft | to charge the BL-5j's | 18:39 |
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| Lava_Croft | mine lasts a day | 18:39 |
| Lava_Croft | but i take care with the battery usage | 18:39 |
| AndrewX192 | I'm on remote desktop, a few ssh sessions, and streaming radio :P | 18:40 |
| Lava_Croft | i stream radio all day | 18:40 |
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| Lava_Croft | over 2h | 18:40 |
| Lava_Croft | er 2g* | 18:40 |
| AndrewX192 | twice a day for an hour and a half | 18:40 |
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| Lava_Croft | well, i streamED, since Radio1 in the Netherlands quit its 32kbps stream | 18:40 |
| Lava_Croft | and that was the only stream running well over 2g | 18:40 |
| AndrewX192 | Lava_Croft: oh, and I'm using openvpn | 18:41 |
| Lava_Croft | irssi over ssh, omp permantently, logged in to FB chat | 18:41 |
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| Lava_Croft | OMP as in open media player | 18:41 |
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| AndrewX192 | ah | 18:41 |
| Lava_Croft | it starts to die fast when you actually use the screen etc | 18:41 |
| AndrewX192 | yeah | 18:41 |
| Lava_Croft | or make it try to connect to a mobile connection like 2g or 3g | 18:41 |
| Lava_Croft | a flake mobile connection is really bad for battery | 18:42 |
| Lava_Croft | flaky* | 18:42 |
| AndrewX192 | I suppose you save a lot with 2G | 18:42 |
| entitled | andrewx192: those portable chargers won't charge to 100% | 18:42 |
| Lava_Croft | yes | 18:42 |
| AndrewX192 | entitled: no? | 18:42 |
| entitled | something like 80% | 18:42 |
| entitled | nope | 18:42 |
| Lava_Croft | entitled: it never charges to 100% | 18:42 |
| Lava_Croft | with no charger in existence | 18:43 |
| AndrewX192 | entitled: why is that? | 18:43 |
| entitled | even the official nokia ones what I've learned | 18:43 |
| Lava_Croft | 80% is a bit meh low | 18:43 |
| entitled | not sure | 18:43 |
| Lava_Croft | but it never gets charged beyond 97% orso anyway | 18:43 |
| Lava_Croft | even with proper wall charger | 18:43 |
| Lava_Croft | 80% is just being screwed over tho | 18:44 |
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| AndrewX192 | I don't think it's true | 18:49 |
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| Lava_Croft | in reality, we live in a world where the 80% option is probably more feasibly than the 100% one | 18:50 |
| Lava_Croft | because companies suck:< | 18:50 |
| Lava_Croft | feasible* | 18:51 |
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| psycho_oreos | At least portable chargers give your device extra time to run around before it goes flat. I mean you could have a faulty internal battery (not the BL-5J, the one that keeps time of time and date) and having to redo those simply because you don't have portable charger handy and you managed to get the device charged. The only other case is where you get one of those "charging boot loops" and that can be annoying as well. | 19:07 |
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| anthonie | @sixwheeledbeast around? | 19:24 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | anthonie: pong | 19:26 |
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| anthonie | Hi, I was wondering if any thought had been given regarding the joerg conversation here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1355358&postcount=48 | 19:27 |
| anthonie | if things need to be done for the forum and members need to step up, I'd like to know where I can help. Hence the question | 19:28 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I hadn't read that post so looking over the thread now. | 19:31 |
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| anthonie | no prob, reason why I'm asking you is because a month ago or so, your name came up as the one that has lots of dirty jobs waiting to be assigned to someone. | 19:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | anthonie: while I agree with your idea, the infra to do this would need setting up. | 19:33 |
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| anthonie | of course, and it's not a fixed idea, but perhaps we should/could get some people together that are able to something, and see what can be done, and how | 19:34 |
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| anthonie | as a first step, I decided to log on and get a hold of you here | 19:34 |
| anthonie | but it's correct that you are dealing with lots of unassigned tasks? | 19:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ok well the "infra co-ordinator" maybe the best person to poke. I think to proceed someone can bring it up on Fridays CC meeting, and discuss then. | 19:36 |
| anthonie | would you be able to do that, bring it up in the meeting friday? | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno why (maybe to extend battery life) but actually the Nokia charger seems to stop at 80%, or at 1000mAh or whatever | 19:37 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I have taken upon myself to babysit autobuilder. I have been given access to do that. If I am available at the meeting I will mention it. | 19:37 |
| anthonie | sixed: ok, that's a start at least :) who's the benevolent infrastructure person? | 19:38 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Hildon Foundation approved Maemo Administration Coordinator: DocScrutinizer05 :) | 19:41 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | or ping a message to techstaff@m.o | 19:41 |
| anthonie | ah! | 19:41 |
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| anthonie | I'll try and bring it up here on IRC later tonight or I'll send him a PM (assuming he has a talk account) | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | uh | 19:43 |
| anthonie | sixwheeledbeast: lol, just noticed who uses that nickname | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 19:43 |
| win7mac | anthonie, DocScrutinizer05 already knows, he is present ;) | 19:43 |
| anthonie | :D | 19:44 |
| anthonie | good | 19:44 |
| anthonie | have you followed the conversation, doc? | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm aware but I dunno what to do about that topic. TMO is chem|st's domain | 19:44 |
| anthonie | NO!! ;) | 19:45 |
| anthonie | the question is simple: Is there a list with open tasks? can something be done about it, either on talk, or outside it. | 19:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | The issue here is it will take time that we haven't got to brake tasks down and make them accessible. | 19:46 |
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| anthonie | reason for asking is simple: If I allow myself to bitch at people, at least I should make an effort helping out | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no such list, beyond my age old calls for maintainers: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1347580#post1347580 | 19:46 |
| anthonie | @doc, a call that I completely missed... | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for the list: it's probably simpler to make a list of topics where we don't need any help | 19:47 |
| anthonie | well, that would be a start, getting more of those maintainers. I'll see what I can do with that thread | 19:48 |
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| anthonie | @doc, a negative list would lead to lots of discussion amongst people (this is important, that is important, ad infinitum) well described tasks that can be assigned would be better. | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nemein basically disabled everything prior to migration#1 and never re-enabled it after migration completed, not to mention any check if those disabled things still worked - which usually they don't do | 19:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I feel wiki is covered now and is mostly self-maintaining | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | almost, yes | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tmo is ok | 19:49 |
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| anthonie | true @ wiki | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | everything else is a mess | 19:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | anthonie: unfortunately all the tasks need experience in 'xyz' | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm a second away from givinbg up on the whole stuff | 19:50 |
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| anthonie | not sure what to sat | 19:51 |
| anthonie | say | 19:51 |
| anthonie | @sixwheeledbeast: How complicated is this "xyz"? (don't answer if the answer itself is complicated...) | 19:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | are you good with midgard? Will new BoD release funds to get people in to fix the mess? Obviously BoD hasn't been completely handed over yet. | 19:52 |
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| anthonie | sixwheeledbeast: Never worked with it, but how complicated can it be to learn? | 19:54 |
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| anthonie | sixwheeled: we run this? http://midgard-project.org/midgard2/ | 19:57 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | anthonie: Well it seems only about 3 people in Finland now how to use it. Also maemo.org is well out of date only version 1. | 19:57 |
| anthonie | rofl @ 3 people, so there's a minority of Finish that doesn't know how to use it... | 19:58 |
| anthonie | alright, Migard1, let me have a look into it, and I'll get back to you to tell you whether I believe can do something with this software or not. | 19:59 |
| win7mac | sixwheeledbeast, handover didn't even start yet... but I for one would put some effort to convince Nemein to help, with or without money | 20:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well I say Finland but I probably mean Helsinki actually. As well as that there are all sorts of other things tied into this midgard to make other things work. SQL knowledge would be useful. | 20:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | win7mac: good that's what I want to here from BoD. | 20:01 |
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| win7mac | anthonie: http://nemein.com/en/solutions/midgard_cms/ | 20:02 |
| anthonie | Not an expert, but I have come from .cgi CMS's in 1999 to Php/MySQL based stuff, and created my own cms for my tiny insignificant weblog back in the days | 20:02 |
| anthonie | not really afraid of a query, but could brush up on the inner join knowledge, I presume... | 20:02 |
| anthonie | win7mac, reading this http://midgard-project.org/midgard1/ already, same thing, right? | 20:03 |
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| win7mac | nemein is the company behind midgard | 20:04 |
| anthonie | ty | 20:04 |
| win7mac | yw | 20:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | anthonie: well you have a lot more knowledge on this than I have. | 20:05 |
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| win7mac | now if you really can help with | 20:05 |
| win7mac | ...midgard, you'd deffo be our hero, anthonie! | 20:06 |
| anthonie | what needs to be done about it? | 20:06 |
| anthonie | is it broken, is it incomplete, apart from the fact that it needs updating, I mean | 20:06 |
| win7mac | only techstaff can tell i think | 20:07 |
| win7mac | ...all of it! | 20:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Also another topic for meeting is all people with admin access, we need to make some sort of log of any changes. All the stuff I am doing I am logging for future reference. | 20:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | anthonie: on migration#1 stuff that linked into midgard to make things work got badly broken. | 20:08 |
| anthonie | All of it??? My god.... | 20:08 |
| anthonie | what sort of things? php code or database? | 20:08 |
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| anthonie | sixwheeled: Am I correct to assume there's no docs for Midgard? | 20:13 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | anthonie: I can't give you a list, we don't know exactly what broke. I have not looked for documentation but possibly not. Maybe with admin access there is help documentation on the site. | 20:15 |
| anthonie | Let's leave the list aside, for a moment. I'll have a look at it locally and see if I can figure out how it works or how to work with it. You have admin access? | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie: for example we had a broken repligard table in mysql that has GUID<->$object references for *all* objects on midgard. We managed to finally recover it on a remote host Falk provided (not enough space on maemo.org for that :-o ) which took ~3 days of CPU time, then we restored the 22GB dump to the table which took maemo.org basically offline for 24h | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just for an example | 20:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | To gave an example I am deleting packages from extras-devel hen they are no longer the latest. If I don't something is broken that stops them being deleted and creates huge logfiles and bogs down the builder vm. | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie: random quotes from our maemo-admin IRC channel: | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-07 17:18:32] <DocScrutinizer05> shall we finally do sth about *lock files, http://privatepaste.com/145b0770c3 ? | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-08 16:21:03] <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: do you take care about Shawn Jefferson guy request upload privileges for the maemo ? | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-08 16:21:38] <DocScrutinizer05> also follow up on his request for maintainership of this package? | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-06 23:43:14] <DocScrutinizer05> #log: /var/log/apache2/maemo_https_error redefined in apache config as /var/log/apache2/maemo_https_error.log | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-06 23:44:02] <DocScrutinizer05> #log: left over from de-cronolog-ification | 20:18 |
| anthonie | just to be clear, all hardware that is needed is there and it works, or not? | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-05 03:48:24] <DocScrutinizer05> [Fri Jul 05 01:32:01 2013] [error] [client 213.128.137.20] File does not exist: /var/lib/midgard/vhosts/test.maemo.org/80/aegir/midcom-exec-midcom/cron.php | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-05 03:49:37] <DocScrutinizer05> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 21 2012 /var/lib/midgard/vhosts/test.maemo.org/80/aegir | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-05 03:50:16] <DocScrutinizer05> root@www1:/var/lib/midgard/vhosts/test.maemo.org/80# locate aegir/ ->>zilch | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hw is ok | 20:19 |
| anthonie | good! | 20:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Hardware has changed but is ok | 20:20 |
| anthonie | sigh of relief with that | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, for hw we actually can do sth, that's commonly required and widespred knowledge, and our techstaff is brilliant at it | 20:21 |
| anthonie | and there is no one left with enough knowledge of Midgard? | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-06 23:12:37] <xes> DocScrutinizer05: these are the killed zombies: "25590 31797 18231" of http://pastebin.com/8UkxjEy9 | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-06 23:13:41] <DocScrutinizer05> now if we knew on what they stalled... :-/ | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-06 23:13:47] <xes> DocScrutinizer05: the latest 3 process have almost the same cputime but they were zombie since hours | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-06 23:14:31] <DocScrutinizer05> fsckng script: www-data 12821 20.9 24.2 1736712 1468040 ? S 20:24 7:36 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie: no, there's nobody left with knowledge about maemo midgard and *willing to do* sth about it | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ab has midgard knowledge, but I'm not sure how much he knows about maemo customizations | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also seems he's busy | 20:24 |
| anthonie | I can not make any promises, but i'll look into the subject and see if I can help somewhere | 20:24 |
| ab | zero | 20:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | lol | 20:25 |
| anthonie | lol | 20:25 |
| win7mac | lol | 20:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | no that busy then ;)( | 20:25 |
| ab | I wasn't involved in running maemo.org so I'm not a droid you are looking for | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there's none left over of those who ran maemo.org and willing to continue on it | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually only ~30..40% of our itches are related to core midgard | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | most of stuff is related to autobuilder et al, which is entangled to midgard but not fixable on a midgard level | 20:27 |
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| anthonie | but on that sixwheeledbeast is working, right? | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast is maintaining some autobuilder tasks manually, when autobuilder fails on them | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like cleaning out old packages from repository | 20:29 |
| anthonie | which is great | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which autobuilder every now and then starts to try and fail 5 times a day | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then sixwheeledbeast removes the package manually, which is a botch and not sustainable in long term | 20:29 |
| anthonie | question about the lock files, it's not just the .dsc's that get locked is it?, in other words, there's more when you run and ls on *.lock I assume? | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so sixwheeledbeast doesn't maintain autobuilder, he "is" autobuilder | 20:30 |
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| anthonie | which is a situation we'd like to get rid of at some point and leave the work again to autobuilder. | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | give me the command line you want to have executed, please | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have dozens of such hiccups | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a list of issues tends to never get finished | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | issues change and grow faster than you can edit the list | 20:32 |
| anthonie | http://privatepaste.com/145b0770c3 stated this as a result of something done on root@garage:/var/tmp# ll /var/tmp/*.dsc.lock, I assumed it's an ls or something. | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ll is an alias for ls -l | 20:33 |
| anthonie | ok, could you remove the .dsc so it looks for all lockfiles? | 20:34 |
| anthonie | that I assumed | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 20:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | anthonie: sorry was afk, yes what Doc says I am not "working" on it I don't have that knowledge, I am merely stopping the databases filling with rubbish and logging what I am doing to tide us over. I feel it is better than having the builder shutdown completely. | 20:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | AT least packages are pushed to extras-devel for users to test. | 20:36 |
| anthonie | @6, fully agree | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/123a98820a | 20:37 |
| anthonie | question, has anyone done a fresh install of Midgard locally, just to see where and how far it would get? | 20:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Also to do with builder, devs can't push packages up to testing or extras either something else that needs fixing and testing. | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie: nope | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except probably nemein during migration#1, which may have caused a lot of the issues | 20:39 |
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| anthonie | can' t find decent sys requirements for Midgard, but I presume it needs the standard apache/php4/mysql install and possibly Zend framework? | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but again, only smaller part of our problems are directly caused by midgard | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1354997&postcount=81 | 20:41 |
| anthonie | ok, so let' s try and do small steps | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (on a sidenote: I intentionally keep that convo in this channel, rather than taking it to the #maemo-admin channel. I hope display some of the pinch we're in, to attract savvy members who are willing to help according to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1347580#post1347580) | 20:44 |
| win7mac | anthonie, thanks so much for looking into it! :) | 20:44 |
| anthonie | brb | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | on that postcount=81 issue above, the problem raised from somewhere into postgresql or mysql user database which suddenly refuses to authenticate the admin user, and only fix I found feasible was to create a new dedicated user | 20:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | join #maemo-admin | 20:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ? | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 20:47 |
| win7mac | would be interested too | 20:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | should we? | 20:47 |
| win7mac | I'm in! | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, since there we dont discuss stuff, we only coordinate actions there | 20:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I see. | 20:48 |
| win7mac | thought it would be PW'ed | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or, if you actually mean #maemo-admin verbatim, then I don't see why we should do that right now | 20:48 |
| win7mac | no need, just curious | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #maemo-admin is not THE channel | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't exist | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | THE channel is ## | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but again, we don't discuss stuff there | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to keep a high S/N for those who are already doing sth now and then, and need to check what anybody else is just doing | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | about 10% of posts are "ALERT!!!!" ;-P | 20:51 |
| win7mac | ok good, won't disturb over there ;) | 20:52 |
| anthonie | back, sorry for the delay | 20:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well if anthonie has CMS knowledge and is willing to help that's a start. | 20:55 |
| anthonie | at least I can have a look into it | 20:56 |
| anthonie | are those system requirements correct in any way? | 20:56 |
| * sixwheeledbeast is thinking if anthonie didn't see DocScrutinizer05's call for maintainers, who else didn't? | 20:57 | |
| anthonie | it needs to be stickied/buttonized, added as a plugin to tasers and what not! | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: indeed | 20:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DON'T win7mac will make another banner .... argh :P | 20:58 |
| win7mac | LOL, was just about to type sth... ;-) | 20:59 |
| anthonie | ok, the plan is as follows: I'll start and see if I can install Midgard locally to get to know the system and at least have an install of it that actually works. | 20:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | cool, I mean the other option is to use something else. But this was written off months ago due to the man power it would require to start again. | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's for sure a fine plan, but I'm not all that sure it has a good effort/achievements ratio | 21:01 |
| anthonie | migration would be a huge task indeed | 21:01 |
| win7mac | anthonie: awesome! | 21:01 |
| anthonie | will report back | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie: how about rather looking into what we actually have? | 21:01 |
| anthonie | doc: I would, if I already knew the package, but since I don't I think it' s better to at least see it working fully, rather than trying to troubleshoot the "unknown" | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but whatever you plan to do, definitely appreciated | 21:02 |
| anthonie | np | 21:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | agreed ^^^ | 21:03 |
| anthonie | now I need to get back to the wife because she is demanding food which I need to cook! Whatever you do, never combine programming with a love for cooking! | 21:03 |
| merlin1991 | anthonie: damn I'm doomed, that was my lifestyle so far | 21:04 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05 did you look into the extras account or not?= | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: sorry? | 21:09 |
| merlin1991 | you asked if you should go ahead yourself | 21:09 |
| merlin1991 | now I'm asking you if you did so :) | 21:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, about that request, no I didn't do anything yetz | 21:09 |
| merlin1991 | looking into it then | 21:10 |
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| merlin1991 | shawnjefferson | 21:13 |
| merlin1991 | crap, operator fail | 21:13 |
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| myk42 | Does anybody know if there has been a fix for the N900's video jitter? I have scoured the web - especially meamo.org forums - and have read of a fix by overclocking; has anyone here with/or had a N900 fixed the video jitter permenantly? | 22:31 |
| freemangordon | myk42: video jitter? | 22:31 |
| myk42 | I have watche alot of vodeo onn youtube from N900 and they all have a jitter in the playback. | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | myk42: use cutetube | 22:32 |
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| myk42 | Video's jump and freeze | 22:32 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah, cutetube works fine with that | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | or watch them fulscreen | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | fullscreen even | 22:32 |
| Lava_Croft | doesnt mplayer have the ability to play directly from yt urls | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | mplayer does not use HW acceleration afaik | 22:33 |
| Lava_Croft | ah | 22:33 |
| freemangordon | but mediaplayer does | 22:33 |
| myk42 | 'cutetube' haha -- wasa typo | 22:33 |
| freemangordon | hmm? | 22:33 |
| freemangordon | ~package cutetube | 22:33 |
| * infobot puts cutetube in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently located closet | 22:33 | |
| freemangordon | wtf :( | 22:34 |
| Lava_Croft | haha | 22:34 |
| Lava_Croft | 2133 freemangordon : ~package cutetube | 22:34 |
| Lava_Croft | 2133 * infobot puts cutetube in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently | 22:34 |
| Lava_Croft | located closet | 22:34 |
| myk42 | i am considering getting an N900 it does everything i need and more, but i want to record video when i am out - and there is a very big issue with the video so i have read? | 22:34 |
| Lava_Croft | 2134 freemangordon : wtf :( | 22:34 |
| Lava_Croft | aaaaaaaaah | 22:34 |
| Lava_Croft | sorry | 22:34 |
| * Lava_Croft kicks putty in the groin | 22:34 | |
| freemangordon | myk42: what video? recording or playback? | 22:35 |
| freemangordon | recorded video stuttering is fixed in CSSU-T | 22:35 |
| freemangordon | and I have never knew that video playback stutters on n900 :P | 22:35 |
| freemangordon | *known | 22:36 |
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| freemangordon | whatever | 22:36 |
| freemangordon | my english sucks as usual :) | 22:36 |
| myk42 | freemangordon: stutter on video recording was what i meant; | 22:36 |
| freemangordon | myk42: it is fixed almost if not on 100% in CSSU-T | 22:37 |
| myk42 | Almost? :) so it's actively being worked on still? Thats good news! | 22:39 |
| qwazix | myk42, in my experience video on CSSU-T is completely stutter free | 22:39 |
| qwazix | both recording and playback (SD not HD) | 22:39 |
| qwazix | haven't tried freemangordon's HD video rec/playback | 22:40 |
| freemangordon | myk42: well, I am not aware of a device that still has stutter (with CSSU-T installed), but as not all the device have CSSU-T, then I can't be 100% sure ;) | 22:40 |
| myk42 | )I don't need HD atall - just aslong as it doesnt pixilate on a tv screen np! :( | 22:41 |
| myk42 | i meant :) | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: it is perfect up to 960x720, 1280x720 suffers from low framerate | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | i.e. 22-24 instead of 25 fps | 22:41 |
| myk42 | wow i think i will get a N900 if the video recording will work without a stutter! | 22:42 |
| qwazix | freemangordon, :nod: | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: BTW got embedlite working with pure Qt, are you still interested in UI? | 22:43 |
| myk42 | 22-24 is great i think, | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | interested in as interested in writing :) | 22:43 |
| myk42 | Anybody here pre ordered a Jolla yet ? :) | 22:44 |
| qwazix | yep | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | myk42: yeah, but you need to OC bith CPU and DSP to have that working | 22:44 |
| myk42 | :P | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | s/bith/both/ | 22:44 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: myk42: yeah, but you need to OC both CPU and DSP to have that working | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: well, I can provide you with my geckotest source if you wish | 22:45 |
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| freemangordon | you can steal whatever is needed from qml stuff | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: the pint is that gecko init is working :) | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | *point | 22:45 |
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| qwazix | just a sec | 22:46 |
| myk42 | Tbh it's all Greek to me - i will have to google it and find more details when i get one- just googled 'CSSU-T' and still in the dark, but i am happy to know that there is a fix that works! | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | ~cssu | 22:47 |
| infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | ~ssu | 22:47 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 22:47 |
| myk42 | I think i can manage to OC it, 'CPU' and 'DSP', | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | ~overclock | 22:49 |
| infobot | I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm. | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | infobot: you are stupid | 22:49 |
| infobot | freemangordon: I think you lost me on that one | 22:49 |
| myk42 | freemangordon: just reading! Thanks your a true gent! | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | myk42: overclocking is easy, but you should decide it for yourself whether to do it or not | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | myk42: as it increases the EM risk for your SoC | 22:50 |
| myk42 | i can always buy another N900 if i mess up, they are cheap 2nd hand now | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | sure | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | myk42: so far I am not aware of any device fried with OC, but who knows | 22:51 |
| qwazix | freemangordon, did the qt version fix the video framerate drop? | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: no, right now I am compiling gecko with a patch that use bc-cat for video playback. but we really need Qt on fremantle, as we don;t need the qml overhead | 22:52 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 22:52 |
| qwazix | okay, please give me a stable source tree, so that I can work on it without having to pull every time | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: sorce tree for what? | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | *source | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | m-c? | 22:54 |
| qwazix | > well, I can provide you with my geckotest source if you wish | 22:54 |
| ashley | a somewhat off-topic question: anyone around with some experience w/ the Nokia E7-00? | 22:55 |
| ashley | I bought one of those second-hand and it has the micro-USB issue (similar to what some N900 devices have); I was told that it _does_ charge, but only when connected to a computer and even then it might be 'flaky'...so far I've managed to make the device beep randomly and "boot" to the Nokia screen, after which comes the "loading" screen and then it shows a black screen with the battery icon on the right corner...the battery icon shows that it is _no | 22:55 |
| ashley | t_ charging, and usually after this the screen turns completely black within a few seconds | 22:55 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: oh, this is just for reference | 22:55 |
| qwazix | plus a commit of m-c that is known to work | 22:55 |
| qwazix | s/work/compile/ | 22:55 |
| infobot | qwazix meant: plus a commit of m-c that is known to compile | 22:55 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: lets continue on #embedlite, this is OT here | 22:56 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 22:56 |
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| anthonie | doc, you still around? I need a public key for the repository of Midgard. "Fetched 4,139B in 1s (4,006B/s)Reading package lists... Done : GPG error: http://download.opensuse.org ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY DFD08130B9E2252E" | 23:21 |
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| anthonie | I think it would be better if someone of Maemo send them a mail, actually, to put in some weight. | 23:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie: afaik GPG "errors" are always just warnings | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I dunno about opensuse.org | 23:41 |
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| myk42 | freemangordon: i just wactched about the first smooth video i have seen recorded on an N900 - in HD too. The guy put up a link to donload the video and a link to the HOWTO to get it all working; which was a Maemo.org forum thread which was started/the very first post of 124 --- by you! :) HD looks great on my pc! | 23:58 |
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