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| DocScrutinizer05 | we're close to criticality on maemo.org. meanwhile the bugs in autobuilder create new bugs on their own | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | like logfiles overflow, for example | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jobs aborting since the have to handle zillions of bogus objects created by jobs | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | packages not getting cleaned out since there are too many packages to clean out, etc pp | 00:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am working on stopping that TM | 00:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/TM/ATM/ | 00:53 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast meant: I am working on stopping that ATM | 00:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | very slowly | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is: you might stop it if you're superman, but you hardly can revert damage done | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a db that has no means to forget anything ever | 00:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I know I am losing slowly but every little helps | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess soon repligard table will hit the absolute limit of objects it can handle | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 21:45:55 2013] [error] [client 88.217.6.xx] PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 367001600 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 32 bytes) in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/services/dbclassloader.php on line 971 | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is no joke | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when such stuff gets triggered for every 2nd HTTP query, then we're close to doom | 01:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | argh... | 01:01 |
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| anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer sixwheeledbeast It seems to have gotten somewhere, my questions :) http://privatepaste.com/dc623d5b19 | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm officially announcing that we soon will have to shut down maemo.org | 01:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: do we know why packages being saved by asgurd over and over? | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 01:03 |
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| anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer05 Shut down as in temporarely? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, terminately | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when invocation of http://maemo.org/packages/view/* is causing >>[Tue Jul 09 21:45:55 2013] [error] [client 88.217.6.xx] PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 367001600 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 32 bytes) in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/services/dbclassloader.php on line 971<< | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then there's no other option than shutdown http://maemo.org/packages/view/* | 01:06 |
| HtheB | anyone here from the US? | 01:07 |
| anthonie_ | wow | 01:07 |
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| anthonie_ | with regard to the log files, how large are they atm, and why don't you just copy them over to a local machine and remove the remote version so a new one will get spawned? | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it also freezes one apache process it seems | 01:09 |
| anthonie_ | not surprised @ apache... | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie_: logfiles are one of our simplest problem, their content is our headache | 01:10 |
| anthonie_ | of course it is | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/fb0196ad7c watch bogus sort order! | 01:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yep, the user "midgurd admin" is saving all the packages in the asgurd logs NFC why. On a separate note the db is getting corruption so I am finding some issue packages impossible to purge. | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/3e213ed1ac | 01:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/view/osm2go/ dead | 01:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-experimental/ dead | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: thanks! that was no great idea to paste that URL here | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I intentionally did NOT spell it out | 01:12 |
| anthonie_ | :( | 01:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | eh, ok | 01:13 |
| anthonie_ | so what's it going to be? a rescue operation, based on some kind of plan or is it going to die? | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 22:14:10 2013] [error] [client 213.128.137.20] PHP Warning: (pid:21638): Can not write property. Object in read only mode in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/dbaobject.php on line 866 | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 22:14:10 2013] [error] [client 213.128.137.20] PHP Warning: (pid:21638): Can not write property. Object in read only mode in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/dbaobject.php on line 866 | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 22:14:10 2013] [error] [client 213.128.137.20] PHP Warning: (pid:21638): Can not write property. Object in read only mode in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/dbaobject.php on line 866 | 01:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | they may reappear it has happened | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | * 1000 | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in 2 seconds | 01:15 |
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| chainsawbike | O_o | 01:15 |
| anthonie_ | The system basically shouldn't be running, under the condition it is in now. If we continue to use the package system it will only continue to clutter the whole of Midgard. | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 22:15:24 2013] [error] [client 192.74.230.51] PHP Warning: (pid:32461): Can not write property. Object in read only mode in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/dbaobject.php on line 211, referer: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/Maemo5/ukeyboard/?get_installfile | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 22:15:24 2013] [error] [client 192.74.230.51] PHP Warning: (pid:32461): Can not write property. Object in read only mode in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/dbaobject.php on line 211, referer: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/Maemo5/ukeyboard/?get_installfile | 01:15 |
| anthonie_ | so we're out of space to do any writes? | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | watch the shit got BOOOM | 01:17 |
| anthonie_ | would be my first guess, looking at the error message | 01:17 |
| anthonie_ | nah, rather not watch it... | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right, I'm out | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I officially declare I give up. I think we're doomed | 01:18 |
| anthonie_ | why? because of a software fuckup? | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | because of me not being able to sustain this level of "maintenance" any more | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since frequency of fatal problems increases exponetially | 01:20 |
| anthonie_ | than we need a call for arms, not? | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I officially declare I give up. I think we're doomed | 01:20 |
| anthonie_ | time for some good ol' deathmetal than... | 01:21 |
| * chainsawbike thinks because a lot of stuff needs to be fixed before maintenance is manageable with current staffing | 01:21 | |
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| anthonie_ | l o t s | 01:21 |
| anthonie_ | so, doc, why don't you just shut down the package management? | 01:22 |
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| anthonie_ | put it back on when it's fixed | 01:23 |
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| anthonie_ | no one can expect from you to "manage" something that is broken... | 01:23 |
| anthonie_ | fix it first, then manage it | 01:24 |
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| * sixwheeledbeast agrees with chainsawbike | 01:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 22:27:12 2013] [error] [client 89.243.2] PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 367001600 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 6430721 bytes) in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_styleloader.php(652) : eval()'d code on line 273, referer: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue% | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5D=password&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/bb0f05ab84 | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/925f5153f2 | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=db& | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm going to shut down www | 01:40 |
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| anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer05 Please do, that is the only sensible thing to do | 02:01 |
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| HtheB | is anybody from the US here? | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | A few. | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's up? | 05:23 |
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| HtheB | ho GeneralAntilles | 05:34 |
| HtheB | hi * | 05:34 |
| HtheB | there is auction on ebay which i really like to win. but the seller is shipping the item for a fortune outside the US. but it's free shipping to the US. so I want someone to win from the us, to avoid the very high shipping costs, because the default shipping costs is actually $2 or $3 :/ | 05:36 |
| HtheB | ofcourse i'll pay the shipping (+ a bit extra for the trouble) | 05:36 |
| HtheB | anybody else? | 05:39 |
| robbiethe1st | HtheB, what is it? | 05:45 |
| HtheB | a game cartridge | 05:46 |
| robbiethe1st | huh, how much? | 05:46 |
| robbiethe1st | link? | 05:46 |
| HtheB | the auction is at 19,99 at the moment (only 1bid) | 05:47 |
| HtheB | will end tomorrow | 05:47 |
| HtheB | hang on let me paste the link | 05:47 |
| robbiethe1st | And where are you located? | 05:47 |
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| HtheB | www.ebay.com/itm/Watara-SuperVision-Classic-Casino-Game-/290942922957?pt=Video_Games&hash=item43bd8cb0cd | 05:48 |
| HtheB | the netherlands | 05:48 |
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| HtheB | (its not the system, but the game itself, as the auction desribes) | 05:48 |
| robbiethe1st | HtheB, can you give me your address(PM me)? Just want to take a look at what USPS wants to ship | 05:50 |
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| HtheB | robbiethe1st thnx! | 05:59 |
| HtheB | time to sleep now... (5:00 !!) | 05:59 |
| HtheB | :D | 05:59 |
| HtheB | night all | 06:00 |
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| ecc2g | clear | 08:11 |
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| japa-fi | Did my battery calibration last night. How to get constant drain on battery if keeping the backlight on is not possible? Solution: connect to wlan and wget stuff. | 08:28 |
| japa-fi | for i in 1 2 3 4 5 ; do wget -O /dev/null ftp://ftp.funet.fi/dev/100Mnull --limit-rate=50K; done | 08:28 |
| japa-fi | I think the rate limiter is essential, otherwise one gets too much data and the load is much higher | 08:29 |
| japa-fi | CSOC: 5 % RSOC: 5 % | 08:29 |
| japa-fi | Average Current: 109 mA | 08:29 |
| japa-fi | Last Measured Discharge: 1271 mAh | 08:30 |
| japa-fi | Now my battery is reporting more than 1100mAh when it's fully loaded | 08:31 |
| ecc2g | Last Measured Discharge: 1034 mAh | 08:54 |
| ecc2g | :( | 08:54 |
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| japa-fi | I have genuine Nokia battery, purchased less than year ago. | 09:16 |
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| japa-fi | The previous battery was really bad. Putting some load from system and the battery which appeared to be quite full went empty in no time. | 09:17 |
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| trx | whats up with the wiki.maemo.org? | 10:46 |
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| trx | semms like there are no styles | 10:46 |
| trx | and graphics are missing | 10:47 |
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| Lava_Croft | Pali: what does your battery applet read for its info | 11:29 |
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| Pali | Lava_Croft: battery applet read data from BME or BME replacement or from battery kernel drivers (via HAL) | 11:40 |
| Pali | priority: bme replacement; bme; kernel drivers (via HAL) | 11:40 |
| Pali | when you stop bme it automatically try to use any other active input source | 11:41 |
| Pali | and when nothing is possible it will show something line no data or 0% | 11:41 |
| Lava_Croft | Pali: I ask because I ran Doc's battery calib script and both it and bnf report a different value than the applet | 11:42 |
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| Lava_Croft | this is normal? | 11:42 |
| Lava_Croft | seems the applet still thinks its on a 1250ish mAh battery | 11:42 |
| Lava_Croft | while it actually is a 1500ish mAh battery | 11:43 |
| Pali | if battery is not calibrated it calculating capacity against design capacity reported by 3rd battery pin | 11:43 |
| Lava_Croft | it is calibrated, ran the cycle twice with nearly same results | 11:44 |
| Pali | also in last version there is gconf value which configure when to use design capacity | 11:44 |
| Pali | make sure you have last version from cssu-devel | 11:44 |
| Lava_Croft | jan09 | 11:45 |
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| Pali | above was fixed in version 1.0-5 (27 Mar 2013) | 11:46 |
| Pali | see info in git commit: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery/commit/3d3599743a598a833c1ecfa886ebf53fb6d11a12 | 11:46 |
| Lava_Croft | ok, the one on skeiron is old then | 11:46 |
| Pali | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/ | 11:47 |
| Pali | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/s/status-area-applet-battery/ | 11:47 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah, am there | 11:48 |
| Lava_Croft | thanks:D | 11:48 |
| Pali | see git commit for configuring calculating percentage | 11:48 |
| Lava_Croft | silly how attached you can get so that simple applet | 11:48 |
| Lava_Croft | thank you | 11:48 |
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| Lava_Croft | i wonder where im failing this:| | 12:04 |
| Lava_Croft | gconftool-2 --set /apps/osso/status-area-applet-battery -t int 2 | 12:05 |
| Lava_Croft | Pali: ^^ that is correct? | 12:06 |
| Pali | 2 will always use design capacity reported by battery and will ignore calibrated max capacity | 12:07 |
| Pali | but command could be correct | 12:08 |
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| Lava_Croft | do i need to reboot or something | 12:10 |
| Lava_Croft | trying to see any kind of change in the reported value | 12:10 |
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| Pali | after installing new version of plugin you need to reboot device | 12:12 |
| Pali | but changing that gconf key is instant (no reboot needed) | 12:12 |
| Lava_Croft | hm, i didnt see any changes when changing the value to any of the valid settings | 12:13 |
| Lava_Croft | just keeps reporting 1252mAh, while it should be 1557mAh | 12:13 |
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| Lava_Croft | well, i have no clue why it doesnt work | 12:25 |
| Lava_Croft | Ill just remove the applet, since getting the wrong values is annoying :< | 12:25 |
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| Lava_Croft | Pali: using bme replacement solved it | 13:55 |
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| Lava_Croft | wonder if it can charge yet | 13:58 |
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| Lava_Croft | it can, fantastic | 14:00 |
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| Pali | Lava_Croft: bme replacement working fine on my n900 without problems | 14:02 |
| Pali | but it is still experimental | 14:03 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah i know, but it already has come quite a way since before | 14:03 |
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| Lava_Croft | the replacement BME does report the right values | 14:03 |
| Lava_Croft | couldnt get it done with the stock one | 14:03 |
| Pali | maybe it is time to announce bme replacement on TMO :-) | 14:03 |
| Pali | ~bme-replacement | 14:04 |
| infobot | [bme-replacement] http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html See also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bme_replacement . Please, use wiki page to report bugs/problems and/or solutions to them! | 14:04 |
| Lava_Croft | there is a thread about it already, but a proper thread might not be bad | 14:04 |
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| anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer05, any plans concerning www? | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not really | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yet | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-10 13:01:49] <DocScrutinizer05> mashiara: this is very first line of that kind that shows up in www VM maemo_http_error.log: | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-10 13:01:53] <DocScrutinizer05> [Fri Dec 28 09:31:26 2012] [error] [client 10.0.0.1] PHP Warning: (pid:20625): Can not write property. Object in read only mode in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/dbaobject.php | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-10 13:02:33] <DocScrutinizer05> since then it never stopped | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-10 13:02:49] <DocScrutinizer05> could you give any clue what has been done that is causing this? | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (FYI: it seem 2012-12-28 been date of migration#1) | 14:21 |
| anthonie_ | not really as the install package of Midgard is incomplete. As such I can only look at the code and pray that I can find a culprit. Yesterday I also had a late night conversation with Mashiara and he/she promised to get back to me today with more info. Apparently the missing channel package can be copied from the current maemo install, but I will receive more detailed instructions today. Hence also the question, should I conti | 14:23 |
| anthonie_ | nue trying to get Midgard to run locally or is it a waste of time and energy? | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | root@www1:/var/log/apache2# cat */*/*/maemo_http_error.log |grep -c "Can not write property" | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1537712 | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really what? | 14:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie_: I think we can't gain much by making another local install of midgrad1 run anywhere | 14:27 |
| anthonie_ | Normally when an object turns into read only mode, it's either a configuration problem of the software, or a I/O problem hardware wise... Glancing at yesterdays logs, there seems to be enough diskspace, so I say it's either a CPU lockup (which would be consistent with the overload) or the Midgard code. Something makes me think it's the latter but it's too early to say anything before it actually runs. | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you like to do it I won't stop you nevertheless | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cpu lockup is not possible a reason | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Object in read only mode in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/dbaobject.php<< | 14:29 |
| anthonie_ | It's not a atter of "liking it", i am afraid, but it's a question of necessity. | 14:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then let me put it this way: there is no obvious necessity to have another local midgard1 instance running | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since you hardly can reproduce the errors we encounter on maemo.org | 14:31 |
| anthonie_ | so the or better, my question is, what's the plan? Is it usefull putting more hours into Midgard1 (I am willing to do that, I just need to be sure we want to continue down this road) or do we plan on a forced upgrade and get it over with? In the end, Midgard1 needs to be upgraded soon enough anyway. | 14:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so unless you need such installation for your personal educational puposes, I don't know why and how we could benefit from it | 14:32 |
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| anthonie_ | No, hopefully the errors wouldn't be reproduced, but the idea was to get a hint of what's going on with Midgard from the perspective of a working install, rather than jumping into a pool full of trouble with a system I never used before. | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there is no sesnible migration path from midgard1 incl all the custom maemo addons, to any other CMS incl midgard2 | 14:33 |
| anthonie_ | I was already afraid and expecting to hear that... | 14:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if there were, probably nemein (inventors of midgard) whould have done it on maemo (where nemein been the primary/sole maintainer) quite a long time ago | 14:34 |
| anthonie_ | even more reason to gather and discuss what needs to be done, if anything... | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, all that stuff worked at a certain point (or span) in time, some 12..24 months ago | 14:35 |
| anthonie_ | yes? | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we are still trying to recover from damage done during (and immediately prior to) migration#1 | 14:36 |
| anthonie_ | but you're juggling god knows how many balls here... | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's still an undelivered package in contract items between Nemein and Nokia (and community) that's titled "knowledge transfer" | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie_: (balls) yes. So what? | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the alternative? | 14:38 |
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| anthonie_ | it's going to be very hard to keep sane with all this mess... There is no real alternative besides either going in and try and fix error for error, or trying to get a clean and working system up and running again and fill it with content from there. | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are exactly 3 guys who have a clue about maemo.org infra nad how stuff is supposed to work: x-fade/Niels mashiara/Rambo/Eero Ferenc | 14:40 |
| anthonie_ | the situation right now is: A clean install can not be made without all kinds of tricks and trouble | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie_: the second suggestion is tempting but infeasible | 14:40 |
| anthonie_ | of those, only Mashiara is avaible on Midgard channel | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it would take man-years of work | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 14:41 |
| anthonie_ | I know, it is tempting, but I did not know two days ago it was THIS urgent... | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | x-fade been around here, but it was his phantom only | 14:42 |
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| anthonie_ | dilemmas... | 14:42 |
| Lava_Croft | wauw | 14:42 |
| Lava_Croft | replacement bme -> first time in nearly 4 years that i see "Fully Charged" | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again, it's NOT primarily midgard that gives us headache, it's the custom addons | 14:42 |
| anthonie_ | which ones are that? | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie_: if you're willing to learn about how midgard *basically* works, you'd be the ideal candidate for the aforementioned knowledge-transfer | 14:44 |
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| anthonie_ | the transfer hasn't taken place because there is no one to "receive" it? | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (which ones) basically they are known as "autobuilder", "repo-management", "karma", a lot of small others like "ask for maintainership" function and whatnot else | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | account syncing from garage to www to repo to drop to .... | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 12 dozen nasty php and python scripts | 14:46 |
| anthonie_ | :) | 14:46 |
| anthonie_ | jay! | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...that do "promote package", "import package to repo", etc pp | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | midgard itself is only "the GUI" | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we even have another system complementary to midgard, on garage | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I forgot the name | 14:48 |
| anthonie_ | Huh? up and running? | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sure | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | garage db is postgresql | 14:48 |
| anthonie_ | you know what? I'll talk to mashiara and discuss with him to see what would be the wisest path from here | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you think that's a good move | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he most likely will tell you "please discuss this with the new maintainers of maemo" - ergo in the end me :-S | 14:50 |
| anthonie_ | the thing is, if we start troubleshooting remotely straight away, chances are we need a lot more help from him than we may be able to get. | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh | 14:50 |
| anthonie_ | lol, hello Doc, I would talk to you about our patient... | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you seen my initial post of today? answer to your initial question? | 14:53 |
| anthonie_ | no, on tmo? | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-10 13:09:34] <anthonie_> DocScrutinizer05, any plans concerning www? | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-10 13:19:35] <DocScrutinizer05> not really | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-10 13:20:15] <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-07-10 13:01:49] <DocScrutinizer05> mashiara: this is very first line of that kind that shows up in www VM maemo_http_error.log: | 14:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also please varefully re-read what I posted regarding "knowledge-transfer" in last maybe 20 lines here | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | carefully* | 14:55 |
| anthonie_ | will do | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-10 13:44:10] <DocScrutinizer05> anthonie_: if you're willing to learn about how midgard *basically* works, you'd be the ideal candidate for the aforementioned knowledge-transfer | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm supposed to coordinate said knowledge transfer sessions | 14:56 |
| anthonie_ | I know, I did read that, bloody scary man, considering the amount of work but if it needs to be done it needs to be done | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those knowledge transfer sessions are not meant to teach knowledge about basic midgard principles, or about basic operation and system design of maemo autobuilder (the latter maybe a bit more than the former). We have some wiki pages that for example summarize what jacekowski found out about how cauldron autobuilder in maemo flavour is set up and working | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | think of it like "you got 30 questions plus follow up clarification free to ask, mashiara will answer" | 14:59 |
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| anthonie_ | it's basically a support contract? | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's knowledge transfer | 15:01 |
| anthonie_ | fair enough | 15:01 |
| anthonie_ | ok, so what would need to be done in order to achieve that transfer and how do we do that? | 15:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | learn about maemo.org infra internals, get a guest/user account in the relevant VMs so you can inspect scripts etc, chat with others like you who also want to participate, discuss the questions you have, write them down and and them to me, then I coordinate a session with mashiara/ferenc/niels,probably on IRC in a dedicated channel | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and hand* them to me... | 15:09 |
| anthonie_ | clear, let's do that | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Infrastructure/Autobuilder | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is a start | 15:11 |
| anthonie_ | bookmarked as well as http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure and http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Infrastructure further entry points | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course google for cauldron | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html | 15:15 |
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| anthonie_ | all right, clear | 15:16 |
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| anthonie | I will be reading those and get back to you | 15:29 |
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| Drathir | mornin | 15:47 |
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| amin007110 | Drathir, morning there and afternoon here :D | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ugt | 15:58 |
| infobot | from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 15:58 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: nice i didnt know that O.o | 16:01 |
| Gh0sty | lol like that one :D | 16:01 |
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| win7mac | Happy Halloween then! | 16:03 |
| Pali | freemangordon: I sent new version of ARM errata 430973 workaround patches to LKML (CC to you) | 16:05 |
| Drathir | btw builider fixed? | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | could some unix savvy check `man ps` and `ps -o start=anfang,user,pid -U root --sort=start;` and tell me if for them it sorts on start time, if yes why and if not then also why? | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for me it seems ps has a bug | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I get sort on PID always | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | just like if --sort wasn't given at all | 16:25 |
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| anthonie_ | sort on both PID and time | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/a7fd70ac82 doesn't look to me like it's sorting on start | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather it's strctly sorting on pid only | 16:33 |
| anthonie_ | check, double check -> nope, http://privatepaste.com/e404030c03 | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's pretty insignificant | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's ordered on both starttime as well as pid | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yours even doesn't obey -U root though | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | see "user: daemon" | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | might be a glicht due to renaming/re-owning the process during ps execution time | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ps jaxkuid,-ppid,+pid - as according to man ps, works as expected here | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if that issue is related to "personality" for me as well as your result | 16:44 |
| anthonie_ | I am having a look | 16:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ps -o start=anfang,user,pid -U root --sort=-start; | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *same* result | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ps -o start=anfang,user,pid -U root --sort=-pid; works as expected | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ps -o etimes=anfang,user,pid -U root --sort=-etimes; also borked | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | without "=anfang" same | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter if root or regular user | 16:49 |
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| anthonie_ | dunno | 16:52 |
| jon_y_ | hey is something wrong with nickserv? | 16:54 |
| Drathir | proppably services dont respond... | 16:54 |
| jon_y_ | ok | 16:54 |
| Drathir | but need to confirm... | 16:54 |
| Drathir | yes confirmed. | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | ~ping | 17:16 |
| infobot | ~pong | 17:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | wtf?? | 17:17 |
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| kerio | dat freenode | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | FU nickserv! | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wow | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least | 17:18 |
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| win7mac | what a shitty day to be infra-admin... I pity you, Doc | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | add to that the fact I'm not even infra-admin, I'm infra-admin-coordinator/manager | 17:38 |
| win7mac | I feel with you | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-10 16:34:20] [440] DocScrutinizer05 NickServ Services are currently unavailable | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a question to the php / apache cracks: would a ini_set('max_execution_time', 0); in a .php affect the apache process even after the particular .php finished? | 18:58 |
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| anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer05, should end after the script ends | 19:03 |
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| anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer05, there is, however, also a seperate time_out setting for apache, normally it can be found in httpd.conf | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what would happen to a running .php script that a apache process started that gets "killed" by such apache timeout? | 19:05 |
| anthonie_ | good question | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we got all clear signal for the "object in read-only mode" error-log, more or less | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but we still suffer form apache2 processes freezing and getting stuck one after the other, so somebody would need to kill them hard (-9!) every few hours, or www comes to a grinding halt | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not willing to re-enable apache on www.m.o before we solved this issue | 19:10 |
| anthonie_ | all clear as in "it's a non-critical error message" or all clear as in "solved"? | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as in "there's a good explanations why it happens, and it probably doesn't cause any havoc (except spamming logfiles)" | 19:11 |
| anthonie_ | good enough for now | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since migration#1 we got some optimizations that include anonymous access to db, which results in objects r/o, but some midgard templates use direct modification of db-objects as in obj.timestamp=strtoint(obj.timestamp) | 19:13 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | anthonie_: feel free to make required "knowledge" pages in "wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Infrastructure/*" I will eventually make that page link to all the pages within. | 19:33 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | FWIW, garage is gforge afaik | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, gforge | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that been the name I wasn't able to recall | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict forge | 19:45 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'forge' (1 of 14): \Forge\, v. i. [See {Forge}, v. t., and for sense 2, cf. {Forge} compel.] 1. To commit forgery. [1913 Webster] 2. (Naut.) To move heavily and slowly, as a ship after the sails are furled; to work one's way, as one ship in outsailing another; -- used especially in the phrase to forge ahead. --Totten. [1913 Webster] And off she [a ship] forged without a shock. --De Quincey. [1913 Webster]. | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict forgery | 19:47 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'forgery' (1 of 5): \For"ger*y\, n.; pl. {Forgeries}. [Cf. F. forgerie.] 1. The act of forging metal into shape. [Obs.] [1913 Webster] Useless the forgery Of brazen shield and spear. --Milton. [1913 Webster] 2. The act of forging, fabricating, or producing falsely; esp., the crime of fraudulently making or altering a writing or signature purporting to be made by another; the false making or material alteration of or addition to ... | 19:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie_: do you think the apache2 process could freeze completely when it tries to terminate due to timeout, while it runs a php script? | 20:14 |
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| anthonie_ | yes, I think that's pretty well possible | 20:16 |
| SAiF | maemo.org???? | 20:20 |
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| SAiF | what happened?? | 20:21 |
| kerio | SAiF: the software, it no worky | 20:23 |
| SAiF | I mean, I cant acces maemo.org. Can you access it? | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | /topic | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie_: yes, that's what I think as well. If I had to guess I'd say apache sends a ^C to php which php ignores. Then apache waits for child php process to terminate which never happens since php ignored ^C and now is blocking on stdout or whatever to apache process | 20:40 |
| SAiF | ooops... | 20:42 |
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| SAiF | Up up up | 21:09 |
| win7mac | Hey... | 21:09 |
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| SAiF | www. is up | 21:10 |
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| SAiF | Thanks to you guys.. good night | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we're just testing | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if my idea why apache freezes (resp the intermediate solution) doesn't pan out, it will go down again without prior notice, and I won't restart it until we have another idea how to fix this issue | 21:22 |
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| sardini | hello, I have a new strange bug. When I type to fast, applications close with 'internal error' | 22:18 |
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| sardini | ony me? Its hardware issue? | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hw error *might* be possible. | 22:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though that wouldn't depend on fast but rather on "hard" typing | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard sth like that before | 22:37 |
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| win7mac | intermediate solution didn't pan out? | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | GRRR | 23:48 |
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| win7mac | GRRR like GRRRUNT? | 23:50 |
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