| ShadowJK | I'd hope that the current interim president would attempt to explain to the people, that free fuel/food isn't going to come back no matter who they elect, and that times will be hard nomatter who they elect | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet almost everybody knows by now | 00:00 |
| * Drathir think any kind of religion is kind of sect in less or more form... | 00:00 | |
| ShadowJK | Do you think total military takeover would be better? The military was quick to hand over power to that judge, because the military gets lots of money from the US, and that money has terms and conditions attached, one of which is "no military coups" :-) | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't mind my neighbour praying to the holy spaghetti monster | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but please leave me alone with it | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | for sure | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | To Each His Own | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: leave me the hell alone. | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and our brilliant foreign minister Westerwelle complains that removing Morsi was a serious step back for democracy. What a moron. Morsi himself was a serious threat for democracy | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | He hasn't been loud enough to exceed the news threshold here :) | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Problem is, a lot of political types expouse democracy as a good per se. | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, we can all vote to have DocScrutinizer05 drawn and quartered. | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing more than mob rule. | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | election polls and such develop mob rule | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when Morsi got elected, there hasn't been a costitution, all that existed was his promise to include all of his people interest and be a president of all Egyptians. This been a blatant lie, and now he and his fanboy club bitch about the 20 mio that demonstrated to remove Morsi didn't obey the democratically installed constitution. That's downright ridiculous | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | almost as ridiculous as our foreign minister stating basically the same. | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | The world is insane anyways | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since from Morsi and his muslim bro's you'd expect exactly that argumentation. Not though from a german politician | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | El Baradei has put it straight | 00:30 |
| ShadowJK | When before, whistle blowers from the USSR revealing their government's opressive surveillance and control of the people fled to the US for sancturary, now whistle blowers from the USA revealing their government's opressive surveillance and control of people flee to Russia | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you probably can switch roles between USSR and USA | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's all politics | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that much of a difference after all | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although at least our political prisoners seem well fed. | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | No gulags in the UD | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | US | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nor are people queing for toiletpaper | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or likely to be executed by secret police. | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, they use somewhat more sophisticated tortures than the USSR | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like water boarding | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or dogs | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: not building "American" towns to train spies from birth. | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nor sending people to jail for "hoarding" food. | 00:33 |
| ShadowJK | China is building every town on earth :) | 00:33 |
| ShadowJK | They have a London copy, a Paris copy, a NYC copy :) | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | complete with hudson river :) | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | All empty. ;) | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | that too :) | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | for a show-off, they'd be better off restoring the chinese wall | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | All the way | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | into mongolia | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | on a unrelated bot on topic topic: Dremel and a cylindrical diamond mill head made a nice new grip for fingernail to the worn lockswitch of my latest N900 | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/bot/but7 | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | On my last N900 I used to insert nail between switch and case to activate it | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | the little tab broke off :) | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same here | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | Current N900 has intact tab | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's a bit too cumbersome | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | Became reflex for me | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | I'm probably still doing it on current N900 | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | dunno, muscle memory and such | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, inserding a tiny object between the lockswitch slider and case would allow for a gap for fingernail | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | inserting* | 00:38 |
| ShadowJK | mine was round enough to create a gap | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but my milled-out trench in that tab works as well | 00:39 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 00:39 |
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| RST38h | ...Instances of SCP-1354 are capable of written responses to verbal communication via the manifestation of letter-shaped pasta. | 05:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 11:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't that a "character" or rather entity invented in some mass-novel-writing site? | 11:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | very remotely a story plot similar to "stalker"/"Roadside Picnic", or "event horizon" | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.google.de/search?q=SCP-1354 | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Special Containment Procedures: All instances of SCP-1354 are to be contained in food-grade airtight plastic containers at Sector-28.<< | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>This is better than the recent oracular alphabet soup that bombed, but I'm somewhat on the fence about this one<< | 11:22 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: wait, SCP? | 13:00 |
| jon_y | I didn't think SCP fan circles would intersect with CSSU guys:) | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that doesn't apply for RST38h obviously | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he pastes context-less quotes here on a regular basis | 13:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | which always sounds like WTF of the day, until you find out about the context | 13:02 |
| jon_y | try markov string generators, they do stuff like that :) | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 13:02 |
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| jon_y | for instance, someone actually went out and try to make a story with it | 13:03 |
| jon_y | http://games.renpy.org/game/yourswimsuit.shtml | 13:03 |
| jon_y | enjoy your plot from /dev/random | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>written responses to verbal communication via the manifestation of letter-shaped pasta<< sounds quite @.@ until you learn it's about a fictional intelligent noodle soup | 13:04 |
| jon_y | SCP has stuff like that, its meant to be contained and locked up | 13:04 |
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| jon_y | there are some cutesy stuff too, but also too dangerous to let loose | 13:05 |
| jon_y | I think I remember something about a professor have the urge to kill an SCP subject because the child subject has reality warping powers | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I consider my N900#6 more intriguing than noodle soup | 13:06 |
| jon_y | "the scary man trying to hurt me" thought altered reality to make it true | 13:07 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: do you happen to know much about PSUs for PCs? | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a bit | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg | 13:10 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, joerg is an ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer | 13:10 |
| jon_y | mine just exploded, leaky cap | 13:10 |
| jon_y | one of the fins on the plastic fan on it melted off | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer | 13:11 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 13:11 |
| jon_y | giant 420V cap, I don't think I can replace it | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, how can a fin of a fan melt off? | 13:12 |
| jon_y | the fan was directly over the burned out cap when I took off the unit | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, the primary cap? that one is rather easy to replace, it hasn't that hard low-ESR requirements than the secondary side buffer caps | 13:13 |
| jon_y | are there solid cap replacements? | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, usually nowadays that is not economically reasonable to do | 13:13 |
| jon_y | probably need to replace the whole unit as the fan is also jammed | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 13:14 |
| jon_y | are there PSUs that have solid caps as their main selling point? | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | count in the hours of hassle doing the repair, and you opt for a replacement PSU for a few thens of bucks | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (solid caps) I only know of mainboards that do | 13:15 |
| jon_y | yeah, it's still dangerous since I don't know if anything else in it broke/shorted | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PSU though I haven't heard about yet | 13:15 |
| jon_y | ok | 13:15 |
| jon_y | I haven't been looking at PSUs for the past couple of years, anything to consider other than wattage and connectivity? | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | me neither, so I'd guess probably not | 13:16 |
| jon_y | efficiency is probably important too, but the boxes never lists it | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | efficiency of course | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and efficiency is listed on all but the most pathetic poor PSUs | 13:17 |
| jon_y | hmm ok | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PCF also relevant | 13:17 |
| jon_y | you mean PFC? | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I thnk so | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make the thing act like a resistive load, not like a capacitor | 13:18 |
| jon_y | I wonder if I get charged more for poor PFC | 13:18 |
| jon_y | yeah, I have EE background too, just not sure how the electric company might take it | 13:19 |
| jon_y | btw, how much risk did the PSU have from starting a fire? | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's more for your local / inhouse grid's sake | 13:19 |
| jon_y | I feel lucky I didn't burn down my place | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think they rarely start fires nowadays | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | steel cage | 13:20 |
| jon_y | they just short out and stop working? | 13:20 |
| jon_y | yeah, the one I had is in a steel cage | 13:20 |
| jon_y | I should get a fire extinguisher and put it beside the PC | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, mine is at the flat's front door | 13:22 |
| Apic | Yeah, never wrong to have one handy. | 13:22 |
| Apic | Here one is at the Corridor of the Building. | 13:22 |
| Apic | Which my Apartment is in | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd like to get a better one though. Those powder extinguishers are a terrible mess when using them | 13:23 |
| Lava_Croft | i have an air suction system in the house that will make sure any fire gets enough oxygen | 13:23 |
| jon_y | I wish my apartment unit fire codes require it | 13:23 |
| jon_y | CO2 ones are easy to use, but the powder ones are more effective | 13:23 |
| jon_y | yeah, it leaves a mess | 13:24 |
| jon_y | powder everywhere | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas CO2 ones are more hard to get, resp way more expensive | 13:24 |
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| Lava_Croft | dont ever use powder extuingishers | 13:26 |
| Lava_Croft | you might as well let it burn down then | 13:26 |
| Lava_Croft | powder shit goes everywhere, you can recondition everything in the house | 13:26 |
| Lava_Croft | insurance people never like powder extuingishers | 13:27 |
| jon_y | probably for use in open spaces only | 13:27 |
| jon_y | not sure how high the risk of suffocation with a CO2 extinguisher | 13:28 |
| Lava_Croft | heh | 13:28 |
| Lava_Croft | supposedly Google paid off Adblock Plus | 13:28 |
| jon_y | :( | 13:29 |
| Lava_Croft | http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.horizont.at%2Fhome%2Fdetail%2Fgoogle-ist-geldgeber-von-adblock-plus.html&act=url | 13:29 |
| jon_y | how do I block google ads? | 13:29 |
| Lava_Croft | block some google adresses? | 13:30 |
| psycho_oreos | Don't they have an option now (as a logged in user to Google) to disable certain ads? | 13:30 |
| Lava_Croft | Yes, but having the advertisement company provide an option to disable ads | 13:31 |
| Lava_Croft | im sure that will not disable ads:) | 13:31 |
| psycho_oreos | Nope not efficiently but you could probably look at ways of blocking the site that gives more ads :) | 13:31 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah | 13:31 |
| Lava_Croft | via hosts | 13:31 |
| psycho_oreos | Privoxy still works :) | 13:32 |
| Lava_Croft | block some googlesyndication adresses | 13:32 |
| jon_y | I have a local DNS server, might be overkill | 13:32 |
| psycho_oreos | Could probably make better use of it by filtering out ad farms | 13:33 |
| Lava_Croft | http://hosts-file.net/?s=Download | 13:33 |
| Lava_Croft | can always poke at that:) | 13:33 |
| jon_y | I wonder if clients are EDNS aware enough to find out it was fooled | 13:34 |
| jon_y | I did notice skype was working, even when the DNS server was down, something fishy there | 13:35 |
| psycho_oreos | I think the actualy skype voice chat functionality itself does not rely solely on the skype server. It actually harnesses other people's connection (whom are also on skype) to host the data. | 13:36 |
| jon_y | it was able to connect and show the contact list, even when DNS was down | 13:40 |
| jon_y | right after the windows machine booted up | 13:40 |
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| jon_y | maybe it is a cached list | 13:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | That's what I　was thinking. | 13:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what the heck! ever heard of yodasoft or hidpoint? The hispoint sw installs under root permissions (of course), is free download from yodasoft site, yodasoft has no tel number, no geo-addr, no nuttin - this all feels like a pretty well designed malware | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.yodasoft.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIDPoint | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a lot of professional-looking web content, but zilch hard facts | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.yodasoft.com/clients.html | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is it a hoax? | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1976823&p=12323231#post12323231 whatever it is (mal/spyware or not) it seems not worth the effort. A pity | 15:34 |
| psycho_oreos | Already very suspicious that there's no offline support for it. It also seems to be targeting primarily logitech devices when there's plenty more brands out there that has all those nifty "shortcut" buttons. | 15:36 |
| Wizzup | trace the program and see what it is doing? | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I already unpacked that friggin self-extracting archive | 15:38 |
| Wizzup | ;( | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is rather easy and safe, under user account (no root), just copy away the /tmp/* dir before you answer "n" to the question | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but what I see in this archive is still not convincing me to give it a shot | 15:39 |
| psycho_oreos | http://www.yodasoft.com/hidpoint.html <--- when you click on a link for more information, it goes to 404. Very trustworthy. | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a lot of stuff incl disable-avahi.sh enable-avahi.sh, udev-scripts and whatnot | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it all feels very much like abandoned spyware or whatever | 15:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | I'm pretty sure all those scripts are for the cases of "one size fits all matter". | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even the isntaller is a binary | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/49f92d29ce | 15:41 |
| psycho_oreos | I think that's somewhat a pretty standard affair with these companies that thinks they can create a single installer that would fit in virtually every context of the target distribution. I　know lexmark does that as well with their printer/AIO range. | 15:42 |
| psycho_oreos | The copyright on the webpage dates to 2008. One could say that they've stopped hiring "web developers" to write their site up. | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/630c5d3a13 | 15:45 |
| psycho_oreos | Hmm that license/EULA seems to be dual licensed. | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though most of the binaries are form 26. March 2013 it seems | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and *somewhere* I even faced a hidpoint-2.0 string | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the download "form" in "OS" has pretty recent coices | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, I maybe should install it in a VM | 15:54 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, what do you need from HIDPoint? | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it just smells fishy when a company that allegedly has top-1000 customers doesn't even provide a telephone number | 15:56 |
| psycho_oreos | The included support seems to be a handful and they are somewhat rather old versions (apart from RHEL, who knows if its still relevant). | 15:56 |
| qwazix | I'm using a logitech mouse/kbd on linux and everything works fine, including extra buttons | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, not on mx5500 and MX Revolution BT mouse | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's working like a cheap 5$ mouse | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and kbd | 15:58 |
| qwazix | hmm, did you check the keycodes of the extra buttons? | 15:58 |
| qwazix | are they over 255? | 15:58 |
| freemangordon_ | qwazix: have some time? | 15:58 |
| qwazix | freemangordon_, yep | 15:58 |
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| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, because there's a patched evdev that allows remapping kc >255 | 15:59 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: on #embedlite | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Keyboards-and-Keyboard-Mice/MX-5500-display-linux-driver/td-p/299669 | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: I don't see any events on any /dev/input/* for some of the buttons of mouse and kbd | 16:00 |
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| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, just a sec, I need to check something | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: I have mx5000tools and revoco on my cloud-7 box for general public. Alas it doesn't work with this shit in BT mode, only when in USB mode (and I have no clue how to revert back to USB mode, it's in BT HID mode now) | 16:03 |
| psycho_oreos | Hmm, are you able to reset pairing? once reset pairing you might be able to try and connect it through USB to see if it will the accept USB as a way to communicate. | 16:06 |
| psycho_oreos | That is just a very rough guess at best. | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I recall I had to use the setpoint tool under windows to revert to USB a year and half ago | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and some shit didn't even work under windows&setpoint, when in BT mode | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart logitech | 16:11 |
| * infobot explains, ever so gently, that if logitech doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help | 16:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | she's awesome, isn't she | 16:12 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, I have a button on my laptop that doesn't work as it produces keycode 358 | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lart command must have AI | 16:12 |
| qwazix | xev and xinput do not catch it at all | 16:12 |
| qwazix | but probing /dev/input/eventX showed the real keycode | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and cat /dev/input/* ? | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, zilch for me | 16:13 |
| Wizzup | try evtest ? | 16:13 |
| Wizzup | (or input-read from uinput-mapper) | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the stuff that's simply borked in BT mode of that MX5500 shit | 16:13 |
| qwazix | so I used https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/xf86-input-evdev-remap/ and a xorg.conf to remap it to 255 | 16:13 |
| qwazix | and it works then | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I checked all /dev/input/* (no less than 19!) and none gave any data for the buttons i'm interested in | 16:15 |
| qwazix | then maybe it's something bluetooth related | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | saturn:/home/jr/halley2/home/jr/revoco-0.5 # ~jr/bin/revoco mode | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | revoco: No Logitech MX-Revolution (046d:c51a or 046d:c525) found. | 16:16 |
| qwazix | Almost all my hardware is corded. | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, the web has "doesn't work due to bluez-hid-foo..." | 16:17 |
| qwazix | This is probably irrelevant, but I have a razer keyboard and used this to make extra buttons work https://github.com/tuxmark5/EnableRazer | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is .hs? | 16:19 |
| qwazix | haskell | 16:20 |
| qwazix | I think... | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *COUGH* | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my eyes start bleeding | 16:20 |
| qwazix | lol, I didn't write it, don't blame me :P | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/tuxmark5/EnableRazer/blob/fc83097682f0fbea484dc7ea9cd670a17bbec811/src/Main.hs UERGH | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, no blame to anybody | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just an old man who doesn't like learn new tricks | 16:22 |
| qwazix | I think the official driver just sends something to enable those extra buttons, and they reversed-engineered it and send the same sequence | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I can read a lot of languages. I _cant_ read _that_ gibberish | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks like a mix between python and forth | 16:24 |
| qwazix | Another bit of info that might be helpful. On one bt keyboard/mouse combo I have, on windows, the dongle gets recognized as a mouse, unless you install the crappy setpoint | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with some UPN | 16:25 |
| qwazix | (which happens to disconnect every time the pc sleeps, but that's irrelevant) | 16:25 |
| qwazix | on the same pc, using linux, the dongle is recognized as bluetooth device | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on the disconnect thing, you can cure this in devicedriver settings where you disable suspend | 16:26 |
| qwazix | and so i had to pair the mouse/kbd with the normal procedure. I don't know what kind of sorcery they did to achieve that. | 16:26 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, I don't want to disable suspend because the stupid guys at logitech can't write a proper driver! | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's wrong with disabling suspend for the BT driver? | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or <whatever> driver | 16:27 |
| qwazix | (I read all of the 50something pages since 2008 on the logitech forum and I didn't manage to solve that crap) | 16:27 |
| qwazix | ah, I thought disable suspend of the pc | 16:27 |
| qwazix | no that's not a problem, but I *might* have tried that along the zillion things I tried | 16:28 |
| qwazix | Anyway uninstalling setpoint solved the problem. | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I had my fair share of web searching regarding that stuff, and this unpair-on-PC-suspend issue been known and allegedly related to BT transmitter getting powered down during suspend of PC | 16:29 |
| qwazix | so what! It should reconnect upon waking, not require pairing again. | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but the driver is crap, it doesn't do proper re-initializing on power-return | 16:30 |
| qwazix | exactly | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you need to tell USB/BT/<whatever> to keep it powered during suspend | 16:31 |
| qwazix | but I'm still buying logitech hardware because really nobody makes mice like them unfortunately | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly MX Revo, which they don't make anymore as well, LART LART LART them for that | 16:32 |
| qwazix | And having a glass desk I have only two choices... | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I have 3 of those now | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and two of those useless MX5500 kbd | 16:32 |
| qwazix | I have the mx performance | 16:33 |
| qwazix | (and the G500, two G9's, two MX1000's and a MX anywhere) :P | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | using scrollwheel of a MX Revolution feels to that of a normal mouse like switching from a caterpilar to a Porsche | 16:34 |
| qwazix | I assume the MX is the porsche | 16:34 |
| qwazix | (not that I've driven either CAT or Porsche) | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the Performance has freespinning wheel, but not automatically | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 16:35 |
| qwazix | automatically? | 16:35 |
| qwazix | when you go fast enough? | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, the MX Revo switches to freespin when a certain spinning speed threshold is tripped | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly | 16:35 |
| qwazix | wow! | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, WOOOW! | 16:36 |
| qwazix | and does it work as it should? | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the mouse has a controller that does that stuff autonomously | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you just need to set the thresholds via setpoint or revocon | 16:37 |
| qwazix | because I have problems with the Performance. The clicky mode doesn't sit exactly at the switch threshold, so it does the scroll midway through the motion | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eew | 16:37 |
| qwazix | and that is un-cool, especially for game | 16:37 |
| qwazix | s | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I had that with my last mouse, similar to MX Revo but wired and with normal scrollwheel | 16:37 |
| qwazix | I tried to send it back for warranty but they gave it back to me and said "it works" | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Mouseman Wheel | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (bue, with blue LED) | 16:38 |
| qwazix | http://www.atarimagazines.com/startv4n5/genius_mouse.jpg | 16:38 |
| qwazix | I had one of those, but with three buttons | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 16:39 |
| qwazix | It had a wide serial port | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could fix your wheel | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | minimal adjustment of position of IR-lightgap to wheel will do | 16:40 |
| qwazix | hmm, I can try that | 16:40 |
| qwazix | then I had this http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/article/970422/m_mac.gif | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably all it needs is loosening the screws that hold the PCB and gently pushing it either up or down | 16:41 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0.1mm is probably enough | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in some mice the scrollwheel itself incl bearings is fastened by screws and you can loose those and move the scrollwheel while PCB incl light gap stays in place | 16:43 |
| qwazix | The thing is that it's not consistently broken. | 16:44 |
| qwazix | Like the switching a couple of times between freespin and clicky fixes it for some days | 16:44 |
| qwazix | but I will try that, nothing to lose | 16:45 |
| qwazix | On an entirely different subject, I bought a used N900 with broken usb. | 16:45 |
| qwazix | the usb in place but all the pins are cut off (someone has tried to reinforce it and there's solder on the sides keeping it in place) | 16:46 |
| qwazix | I tried testing it while pressing it with my thumb to see if there's any signs of life, but nothing | 16:47 |
| qwazix | Is there any hope? | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | soory, playing with my mousman wheel junk | 16:48 |
| qwazix | :) | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check the electrical pins at rear end of USB receptacle | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (mouseman wheel) logitech is incredible: they placed a huge thick steel piece inside for the right weight | 16:50 |
| qwazix | G500 has adjustable weights | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet cherry did same on this G230 in front of me | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it weight like a kilo | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | really nice kbd | 16:52 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, check you mean with a multimeter? | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with a magnifying glass I suggest | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, I got a bare PCB since yesterday. Let me verify | 16:53 |
| qwazix | what should I see? | 16:53 |
| qwazix | they are not attached to the board, but seem to be in the correct place | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn that uSD board | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, don't you think it would help to connect them ? ;-P | 16:54 |
| qwazix | yeah, but my soldering iron has a tip that bigger than 3 of them together | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | like I expected/recalled: on original PCBA with original USB those are covered by the metal housing of the USB | 16:57 |
| qwazix | somebody messed up really with this unit... | 16:57 |
| qwazix | yeah they are almost covered, I can barely see them | 16:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | with a dremel and cutting blade you can cut of that cruft metal frame that covers the 5 contact pins | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since it's functionally useless | 16:59 |
| qwazix | it looks something like this http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4521/n900usbsocket2.jpg | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly | 17:01 |
| qwazix | that might help yeah | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only worse | 17:01 |
| qwazix | though my port looks slightly different (it doesn't have that hole in the middle) | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I just noticed that the ds-sticky holding uSD board is ~1mm think | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I forgot that detail | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually that might be a rubber foam frame with thin ds-sticky on both surfaces | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I think it's not really needed at all | 17:06 |
| qwazix | This thing had a flaky digitizer too, and I bought two chinese ones to replace it. Neither worked | 17:08 |
| qwazix | Now I order one from germany that comes with the frame and metal part below it | 17:08 |
| qwazix | s/order/ordered/ | 17:08 |
| infobot | qwazix meant: Now I ordered one from germany that comes with the frame and metal part below it | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: when you're really desperate, you can solder 5 0.1mm-diameter wires to the 5 pins of USB after removing it, each ~5mm length. Then solder those wires to the pads, and finally place the USB in right location while carefully bending wires away, then soldering the mech levers of USB | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good luck with your digitizer | 17:09 |
| qwazix | hmm, that's an interesting idea, and seems easier than the dremel thing | 17:09 |
| qwazix | do you suppose it would work just to heat up those pads as is? I don't think there's enough solder there to do anything | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, hard to guess | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure you could try reflow | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess your USB been replaced by a fool who didn't even think of the electrical pins | 17:11 |
| qwazix | prolly | 17:12 |
| qwazix | interesting history: The guy who sold it to me said he repaired it in a Nokia Care center, BUT: | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4521/n900usbsocket2.jpg you can clearly see 4 of 5 broken | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on that one reflow most probably would fix | 17:13 |
| qwazix | near where we met to do the transaction, there's a guy who used to have a nokia care center, and now he works by himself, but never removed the nokia sign | 17:13 |
| qwazix | the digitizer was certainly not nokia, so I think he tried to make a quick buck | 17:14 |
| qwazix | in my case all five are broken | 17:15 |
| qwazix | anyway, thanks a million! I'll try it and report back | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 17:17 |
| qwazix | cya later | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya | 17:18 |
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| anthonie | anyone with some busybox knowledge around? | 19:08 |
| Drathir | anthonie: try to ask a question maybe someone know the answer... | 19:10 |
| anthonie | @Drathir, in bash, on my laptop, i would do an ip and mac search on the local network with ping and arp. But in ash, I can't get a range to run. say, for i in 192.168.1.{1..20} would start scanning 1 upto 20. In busybox, it refuses. I would like to know why. | 19:13 |
| jon_y | that's bashism | 19:14 |
| anthonie | i know, but i can't find an equivalent | 19:15 |
| jon_y | try seq? | 19:15 |
| jon_y | seq and xargs | 19:15 |
| anthonie | could do, but that would mean.unportable code :( (or start using another bash version as welll), btw, it won't run on maemo bash either... | 19:17 |
| jon_y | how is it unportable? | 19:17 |
| jon_y | seq 1 20 | xargs ... 192.168.1. | 19:18 |
| entitled | sex and drugs? | 19:18 |
| anthonie | lol @entitled, thought those were universal | 19:18 |
| anthonie | @ jon, looking into it. portable as i , use the same scripts as i have on my laptop | 19:19 |
| anthonie | thanks @ jon | 19:20 |
| jon_y | seqnp | 19:20 |
| jon_y | *np | 19:20 |
| entitled | is there a solution for accidental closing of a program? like asking for confirmation or even removing the X from the GUI. I keep closing my terminal :E | 19:21 |
| anthonie | so stupid, never thought of seq, now i google this and there's tons of info! | 19:21 |
| anthonie | bows @ jon | 19:22 |
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| japa-fi | for i in `seq 1 20`; do ... | 19:39 |
| japa-fi | (or perhaps this is also bashishm | 19:39 |
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| anthonie | seems to work @ jon and japa_fi. I have not yet used it in the script but I think seq is the way to go. | 20:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 21:06 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: thanks | 21:06 |
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| Drathir | im thinking is any possibilities to enable sound when console bell is used? | 21:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | on maemo? hardly | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno if bash allows assigning a complete macro like 'playsound /usr/share/soubds/beep.wav' to plain 'char' ^G | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | usually that's a job of console device | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | resp xterm | 21:34 |
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| brolin_empey | http://www.flickr.com/photos/brolin_empey/sets/72157634511837947/ | 23:45 |
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