| DocScrutinizer05 | on a less facetious note, I can't give any recommendation without info that allows to evaluate whether e.g. mugen will even help on what you want to accomplish | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when you want 24h of maemo-hotspot operation, mugen will hardly be the right choice. When you want to do geocaching, then probably an external powerpack is a poor advice | 00:03 |
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| ShadowJK | for 8h streaming radio, mugen works | 00:05 |
| DrCode | ok | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | as long as you have good 3g/2g signal :) | 00:06 |
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| DrCode | mugen is good or better powerpack? | 00:06 |
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| ShadowJK | ? | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | mugen 2400 is attached to N900, powerpacks are external and connected with a cable, like a charger | 00:08 |
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| ShadowJK | their purpose is a bit different | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I tried to explain | 00:10 |
| DrCode | ok | 00:11 |
| DrCode | what is powercell battery? | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a normal battery | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with maybe 20% more capacity than genuine BL-5J | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe not though | 00:12 |
| DrCode | I see | 00:12 |
| DrCode | ok | 00:12 |
| DrCode | I think I will go with mugen , but its seems to be expensive | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generaly the most simple and most economic solution for extended operation time without a charger is a simple spare battery in your pocket, to swap | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mugen is bulky, costly, and not even pulling the sausage off your hotdog | 00:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for special needs it might be right solution | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generally, I don't like the idea to increase one dimension of the N900 by 50% | 00:15 |
| DrCode | I see | 00:15 |
| DrCode | thanyou | 00:15 |
| DrCode | yes, I am too | 00:15 |
| DrCode | bcz I am thinking to use powerpack or powercell | 00:16 |
| DrCode | is there better then powercell ? | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably not | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a good thread about all available (and not available) batteries and their true performance | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on tmo | 00:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I usually have a second BL-5J in my jacket and once or twice a year I swap it for the one in device, when I do way more activity on device than usual | 00:18 |
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| DrCode | ok | 00:18 |
| DrCode | thankyou | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 00:18 |
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| LauRoman | not really a fan of a tarball install on the n900 but a guide readme file says "then copy | 01:31 |
| LauRoman | the SnXM icon and .desktop file to the appropriate system folders.". Is anyone kind enough tosay what those folders are? those files are related to the icon file for the app, but where am i supposed to put them? | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/applications/hildon/*.desktop | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /opt/usr/share/icons/*/*/*/*.png | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LauRoman: ^^^ | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g: | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/hildon/alarmed.png | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon/alarmed.png | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/hildon/alarmed.png | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon/alarmed.png | 01:52 |
| LauRoman | thanks a bunch i'll try it | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | keep in mind that you probably first should install icons, only then the .desktop | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once you install/copy/mv the .desktop, some inotify-wait will notice it and try to cache the icons as mentioned in that .desktop | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe not | 01:53 |
| Macer | doh | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems that's the problem when apt-get installs .desktop before .png and then you end up with a blue square (rather squircle) instead of your app's icon, on applauncher | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they forgot to add a simple "sleep 5" there | 01:56 |
| LauRoman | worked great, thans a lot, i don't usually install stuff manually, and when i do, this kind of stuff is already scripted in | 01:58 |
| Macer | hm. seems easier to just install tablet-encode into cygwin | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably a "touch /usr/share/applications/hildon/*.desktop" will fix any blue-squircle issue | 02:01 |
| Macer | mencoder seems to encode faster than handbrake | 02:01 |
| Macer | going to check out if my preset worked heh | 02:01 |
| Macer | ugh. these updates to the database for media | 02:12 |
| Macer | they ruin lives :) every time you disconnect the usb cable it seems to do it | 02:12 |
| Macer | omg be for real. ugh. maybe if i remove like a few thousand mp3s lol | 02:13 |
| Macer | handbrake fail. n900 can't play the video i encoded :-/ | 02:14 |
| Macer | wth/ | 02:14 |
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| Macer | hm. let me try with ffmpeg instead of x264 | 02:23 |
| Macer | maybe that will work out better | 02:23 |
| kerio | DrCode: fwiw, on aliexpress there's an unnamed battery that yields 1600mAh | 02:23 |
| kerio | for 10usd | 02:23 |
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| Macer | wow. i just can't seem to come up with a decent method to encode for the n900 with handbrake :-/ | 03:14 |
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| Macer | i'm trying to read the old plists but i guess handbrake has changed so much since they made those that the plists must be ancient by now | 03:14 |
| Macer | and for whatever reason handbrake seems to go far slower than it should for encoding video | 03:17 |
| Macer | mplayer with 1 core seems to go like 2-3x faster | 03:17 |
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| Macer | using tablet-encode/mencoder on my A8 fbsd jail on my freenas box goes like 62fps while scaling. the A10 on the win box goes 20fps | 03:19 |
| Macer | wth? | 03:19 |
| Macer | that isn't adding up | 03:19 |
| Macer | how odd. whatever. i give up heh. | 03:20 |
| Macer | i'll just use handbrake when absolutely necessary | 03:21 |
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| _jester_ | hello world | 06:01 |
| _jester_ | DrCode: has your device arrived as yet ? | 06:03 |
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| _jester_ | ecc3g: does your nick signify your signal strength ? | 06:04 |
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| ecc3g | heh. no, just collisions, unfortunately | 06:19 |
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| Macer | is there a way to change the sensitivity of the scrolling ? | 11:04 |
| Macer | i find myself always making it scroll backwards or having it scroll 20 screens | 11:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | Macer, maybe buy and apply some sort of screen cover? | 11:58 |
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| Macer | psycho_oreos: i already bought and applied a screen cover | 12:39 |
| Macer | i think it is more a fundamental flaw in the way the scrolling works | 12:39 |
| freemangordon | could some recommend a carholder | 12:39 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, or simply the sensitivity, period. | 12:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, for N900? I used to use one of the generic branded gps type holder thingy. It works to an extent (until the plastic got brittle and snapped piece by piece). | 12:41 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: I need something that can be bought now :) | 12:41 |
| freemangordon | ooh, generic | 12:42 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: which is why i was asking if there was a way to adjust it | 12:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, not sure where you are but I visited to one of those usual electronic shop. These days velcro grips are the talk (iinm). | 12:42 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, not to my knowledge. I thought usually applying a screen cover is a way to lower the sensitivity threshold. | 12:43 |
| freemangordon | naah, those are too fragile, I bough one a while ago, it felt on the floor and got broken | 12:43 |
| freemangordon | I am glad I didn;t have time to mount it in the car with n900 in it :) | 12:44 |
| psycho_oreos | ouch, I was about to say.. hmm ok I'll try to find that generic holder thingy. They might still sell it. | 12:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | Hmm they also sell Belkin Universal Phone Holders. Not sure what they're like. | 12:50 |
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| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, http://www.dicksmith.com.au/mobile-phone-accessories/belkin-universal-phone-holder-dsau-e8134 <--- maybe this? | 12:55 |
| Macer | http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=n900+car+mount | 12:55 |
| Macer | http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xn900+car+mount.TRS0&_nkw=n900+car+mount&_sacat=0&_from=R40 | 12:56 |
| freemangordon | doesn't look like any of those will allow me to open the kbd | 12:56 |
| Macer | ebay has a few actual otterbox ones | 12:56 |
| psycho_oreos | I thought otterbox only makes cases for phones/devices, not car mounts. | 12:58 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah that's true, that's the issue that I had with those universal phone holders for car. | 12:59 |
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| psycho_oreos | http://www.amazon.com/GTMax-Windshield-Mount-Holder-Suction/dp/B0038B4BY4/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1373018183&sr=8-13&keywords=n900+car+mount <-- that looks like the one I used to have until individual "legs" started getting brittle and broke off one by one. | 13:00 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: yeah, I already research a lot, that is why I am asking here i anyone knows a car mount that is suitable for n900 and still in sale :) | 13:00 |
| freemangordon | researeched even | 13:00 |
| freemangordon | shit :) | 13:00 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, not for one that will allow you to open the keyboard out. :/ I'd be happy if I could find a product that would allow me to do just that. | 13:01 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: well, the universal one that got broken was fine. | 13:02 |
| freemangordon | it needed just a little tweaking | 13:02 |
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| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, in the latter link that I mentioned? if so lol, needs to be removed everytime when one parks their car in the sun. Cheap builds often leads to excessive wear and tear. | 13:03 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: yeah, cheap plastic :) | 13:04 |
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| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, sadly, and no metal braces to hold "individual legs" in place. There's also this (just browsing through the link Macer posted): http://www.amazon.com/N4U-Accessories-Nokia-Windscreen-Holder/dp/B0087PT6DM/ref=sr_1_30?ie=UTF8&qid=1373018523&sr=8-30&keywords=n900+car+mount | 13:05 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm (need to use bit.ly for links to amazon lol). | 13:06 |
| psycho_oreos | http://www.amazon.com/iKross-Windshield-Holder-Samsung-Android/dp/B009Z1XIK4/ref=sr_1_38?ie=UTF8&qid=1373018791&sr=8-38&keywords=n900+car+mount <-- seems like I'm getting closer. | 13:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | http://www.amazon.com/ZS-Slim-Phone-Mount-Nokia/dp/B006MS89DO/ref=sr_1_83?ie=UTF8&qid=1373019044&sr=8-83&keywords=n900+car+mount <-- no "feet" though. | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | finally some fun on freenode - it started to get boring | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hey gals n' guys, how about offering freenode to run a server VM on maemo.org infra? | 16:59 |
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| Apic | Sounds good. | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, what I thought. Particularly since they maintain their VM, no workload for maemo techstaff | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and resource requirements are modest | 17:04 |
| Apic | Cool. | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5Mb bandwidth, 1GB RAM - LOL | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | What about DDoS threats? | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's what I pondered as well, but in the end they'd probably need and use their own IP | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless I'm tending to offer a hidden hub rather than a leaf server | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otoh you know irc.kde.org etc which are all just cnames for freenode, might be cool to run irc.maemo.org | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that requires cooperation from Nokia dnsmaster :-S | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll try to catch Falk and talk with him about feasibility | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | outdated, according to freenode staff | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless they pointed me to it | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Might be trademark issues with that. | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm sure IPHH wouldn't mind if we run the freenode server under their sponsorship and they get mentioned at http://freenode.net/acknowledgements.shtml | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thugh it's a pita that maemo community can't use maemo [TM] for such purposes | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how about HiFo? | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HildonFoundation/IPHH | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sure somebody will create a nice logo | 17:16 |
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| win7mac | Yet another good idea from DocScrutinizer05 ;-) The technical details are beyond my scope, but basically I think it's a good idea. | 19:01 |
| win7mac | I might even create a nice logo if reminded about it next week. | 19:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hildon Foundation is fine | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I think Maemo Community is OK, too. | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK | As someone who's had experience running irc servers, I'd say it's a bad idea ;-) | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/86defde9b7 | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: please elaborate | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | The freenode server infra is solid as is, so the benefit to freenode would be minimal, and the benefit to maemo users would be minimal. On top of that, most hosting providers (and their providers) forbid it, due to the increased ddos risks. Even if the hosts have capabilioty to filter, up to what their upstram capacity is, the extra workload is often unwelcome. | 19:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, much appreciated | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does this apply as well for hidden hubs? | 19:23 |
| ShadowJK | Hidden hubs get "hit" less often, but when they do, they get hit *hard* | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'd probably implement a policy to simply pause the freenode VM when they start to hog the uplink more than we allowed them to do | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | That doesn't actually work though | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | Usually the only thing that works is to nullroute the entire IP range | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems I have to talk to the experts at IPHH if they have sharp measures to fight DDoS then, eh? | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | Well, 95% of providers will give *paying* customers a sharp "No!" response to irc :-) | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehehehehehe | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *that* bad? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how's IRC way worse than e.g a vulnerable apache with PHP | 19:29 |
| ShadowJK | because that can be fixed with hammer to the machine with the apache | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, seems I'm in for some flames. I will reconsider my suggestion | 19:30 |
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| ShadowJK | The instant nature of irc means that attacking irc infra gives instant results and instant gratification, and instant "revenge" on whoever pissed someone off | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I still fail to see the difference between a DDoS to port 80 and port 6667 | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK | Webservers fall over by themselves so often nobody can tell the difference if it was usual php mysql runaway or if it was an attack ;-) | 19:32 |
| piggz__ | so, did tizen get scrapped before being launched? thats worse than harmattan | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, I'm afk. cya l8r | 19:32 |
| ShadowJK | an N900 has enough cpu and ram to run a irc server on a 100k user network, so the ddos is just sheer traffic, to any port, or no port in particular | 19:34 |
| Sumedhe | Hmmm... I also have used IRC on N900. | 19:35 |
| ShadowJK | If the attacker is out for more than just a show of power, and wants to inflict real damage, they'll distribute the attack to every IP in the range, and maybe also hit the upstream provider with a broad barrage | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that applies to any server and any service | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so unless you say irc servers are particularly prone to DDoS, I don't see any difference | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | on the bright side: IRC servers don't get raped by MSDN spiders | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nor by benevolent users "just mirroring" | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I'm away | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 19:40 |
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| ShadowJK | Yes, I do say irc servers attract more ddos than other services | 19:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, there's a certain antipathy tHat IRC providers seem to generate. | 19:55 |
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| Fonk | talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1356583#post1356583 | 19:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, didn't expect that. Scrap my suggestion then | 20:57 |
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| ShadowJK | Anyone remember dalnet when it was under sustained attacks? :) | 21:37 |
| ShadowJK | When you pinged and didn't get any replies, reconnected to a different server, and saw 3 copies of yourself from the past talking | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of dalnet | 21:38 |
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| ShadowJK | Well it was the most popular irc network by usercount | 21:40 |
| ShadowJK | iirc they probably had about 40 servers, but more or less was killed by ddos | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freenode is probably different, in that it manages all servers centralized | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ #6 - with silver-white screen frame, and spare mainboard | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems no urgently need USBfix though | 22:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you have six pairs of hands ;) | 22:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if he already failed on counting ;-D | 22:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems to* urgently need USBfix though | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for OT, but... | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just watched in TV what's happening in Kairo and wondered where from I know that. Feels damn sadly like Germany 1932-33 | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Admittedly the Germans back when were not as brave to meet in the streets in million-counts. | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | But we also had paramilitary armed gangs that represented only a few marginal percent of the people, yet they took over | 23:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, some would argue the outgoing guys are more . . . ideologocially similar to the Nazis. | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | Doesn't matter what their ideology is, if they can't communicate "Well, we're basically fucked, everyone of us. Please work hard!" in a more palatable phrasing, they'll remain fucked. | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: well, that's what I said at least | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this Morsi guy pushed a constitution that really doesn't earn that name, he neutered jurisdiction, imprisoned journalists that didn't have the right membership book, and finally tolerated some of the totally mentally sick "leaders" to publicly request killing of "the enemies" while he was sitting in the audience | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now those idiots bitch about their democratic rights got deprived from them | 23:50 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: but when ppl are angry saying that if good remember the ppl chos me in legal vote and i dont even think go away dont meant any good reaction from protsting thousens of ppl... second side if isnt dictature a miss with comunication and dont speak each other "must" faster or not evolue to bunt and protests... | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the mob goes rush the streets and shoot everybody that's not "them" | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not a friend of *any* religion, I'm highly skeptical against religions that look down on others and think they need to convince them of "the one true confession" - but I utterly *hate* those who think they can "win" by using weapons and violence | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in short: I'm an anarchist | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | I think one of the best advices wrt religion I've ever seen, I read in the quoran. I don't remember the exact wording, but the meaning was essentially "It's pointless to argue/fight with religious lunatics, they'll believe whatever they want to believe, and you will believe whatever you want to believe" | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not sit on Tahir place and drink tea and wait for those muslim brothers to rush in and kill me, I'd head home find my M134 | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | Anyways | 23:59 |
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