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_jester_hello world03:28
_jester_are the repos down ?03:28
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xesrepos should be up again03:51
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_jester_xes: thanks, they are up now, and i apologise for disappearing but some basic power outage issues at my end04:16
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DrCodehi all04:44
DrCodehow do I fresh install meamo ?04:45
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_jester_fresh install = flashing04:47
_jester_theres a great guide on the wiki, thats how i did it04:47
_jester_would you like me to post the link ?04:47
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DrCodeI didn't got my device yet, but I now understand how to flash it04:49
DrCodeI just bout n900 on ebay04:49
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_jester_well, its a great device, and theres another very good page on the wiki04:53
_jester_called "the perfect setup"04:53
_jester_go through the wiki and youd probably know more than you need to04:53
_jester_i got mine a week back, been playing with it ever since04:53
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DrCodeI read that is battry not so good04:55
DrCodeI mean , is there solution?04:56
_jester_depends on how you use it, you can certainly optimize usage04:57
_jester_i mean i use it sparingly and i get more than a day to a charge04:57
_jester_theres a great app like "auto dissconnect" that closes idle connections wifi, gprs and bluetooth04:58
_jester_that helps a lot and i highly recommend it, cause thats usually what eats up the battery04:59
DrCodeI am thinking to buy microusb portable charger battry05:00
DrCodeI found one that also support n90005:00
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_jester_you can probably get loads of accessories , as have i05:00
_jester_personal recommendation, for the first time, fully charge your phone with it being turned off05:01
_jester_helps with the new battery but also helps with the old ones05:01
DrCodewhat amazed me , is that long time pass since nokia released n900, and still its the best phone05:01
_jester_well, i guess because you can customize it more than any other device you can buy05:02
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_jester_i make my n900 do all sorts of weird things05:03
DrCodeI know that ubuntu toch , mybe will try to do the same05:03
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_jester_still with the community cssu , use easy debian if you feel experimental05:03
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DrCodebut I think meamo is much more customized05:04
DrCodeis there good multi protocol IM05:04
DrCodeI read that pidgin have supportin maemo05:04
DrCodeI want also to connect my google+ and rss feed, I am using feadly05:05
_jester_once you get the n900, youd find all the relevant software in the application manager05:07
_jester_and yes, you can use the rss feeds, i use 3-4 feeds on mine05:07
_jester_unfortunately i have to leave DrCode , id catch you around, hopefully when you have the n900 with you05:08
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DrCodethankyou _jester09:26
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Lava_Croftis there any known bug with hdrcapture and saving photos?13:02
Lava_Croftit seems it doesnt save the photo and hangs, closing it still means i have to manually kill the process13:02
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Lava_Croftit seems it hangs when trying to take the pictures13:06
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Lava_Croftnormal camera works fine13:07
wndI get semiregular hangups/reboots with hdrcapture/fcamera and semiregular broken images even when everything seems to be going just fine13:10
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Lava_Croftit has always worked fine for me...13:11
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Lava_Croftfound it13:17
Lava_Croftcamera save location was microsd from the start13:17
Lava_Croftchanging to save on emmc and then using hdrcam again fixed it13:17
Lava_Crofti guess hdrcapture was missing DCIM folder on emmc13:18
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japa-fiAm I asking for troubles if I restore only rootFS and leave optFS untouched?13:19
japa-fiI think some update which I've done recently has messed up my camera (can't start regular camera nor BlessN900)13:20
japa-fiMy idea would be  restoring rootfs to rollback the system to earlier state, not to restore optfs so that I would have all the required packages ready for reinstall of tweetian13:21
Lava_Croftisnt it easier to just reinstall pkgs required by tweetian13:21
japa-fiAh never mind., I'll scp those to my pc13:22
Lava_Croftyou can just dpkg -i the tweetian .deb13:22
Lava_Croftand then apt-get -f install to make it pull the deps13:22
japa-fiI'm the dude who had serious troubles getting the required packages from repositories13:22
Lava_Crofti couldnt find that meego compat pkg either13:22
Lava_Crofti used apt-get -f install :P13:22
Lava_Croftbut moving the .debs onto your n900 will work just as well:)13:23
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japa-fiI wonder if I broke my phone.. Can't get it to boot anymore. neither does it accept keyboard input in backupmenu13:36
japa-fiGuess is reflash time..13:37
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psycho_oreosWouldn't that be an issue with the kernel in question to cause the device (N900) to not boot anymore?13:45
japa-fiIt did boot prior to me restoring the backup.13:46
Lava_Croftwas the backup made with the same kernel as your current device13:46
japa-fiThough... The backup is prior to me installing kernel for powerusers13:46
Lava_Croftthats the problem there13:46
Lava_Croftyou need the same kernel when restoring a backup and when the backup was made13:46
japa-fiBut heck, I can't even access backupmenu (keyboard not functional)13:46
psycho_oreosSounds like the backup contained a different kernel than what you already now have. Hence it wouldn't boot (it would show something like kpanic).13:47
Lava_Croftat least you learned the hard lesson now:<13:47
japa-fiAt least this time I have backups :)13:47
Lava_Croftas quite a few of us have:D13:47
Lava_Croftif you restore the backup, make sure the current device runs the same kernel as the backup13:47
psycho_oreosI think you might be able to get away with flashing nokia kernel instead if you still have all the appropriate libs for that kernel.13:47
japa-fiDo you have the multiboot menu, nitroid, stock kernel, powerkernel, backupmenu?13:48
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psycho_oreos^ (same)13:48
Lava_Croftand i tried to flash a backup with kp5x onto a stock nokia kernel device13:48
Lava_Croftwhich breaks it13:48
japa-fi I was wondering if I should install it, but decided not to as I had "perfectly working setup" . Don't fix if not broken..13:48
Lava_Croftto be safe, after i reflash, i update to latest CSSU and install latest KP13:49
Lava_Croftbefore restoring backup13:49
Lava_Croft(if the backup requires it:)13:49
japa-fiKP = Kernel power?13:49
Lava_Croftits important that the kernel on the device that recieves the backup is the same as the kernel in the backup itself13:50
japa-fiWell, now we will see what comes out of restore to plain nokia without installing CSSU prior that13:50
Lava_Croftthankgod you still have the photos!13:50
Lava_Crofter i mean backup :)13:50
japa-fiThe rammstein concert photos will be gone :( (Not many, but anyway...)13:51
japa-fiOh, why didn't I create USB stick with some room for files. Could have saved the FW files + flasher there..13:54
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rikaneejapa-fi: you could load rescue kernel and copy to sd14:01
japa-fiHow is that done?14:02
jon_yhow do I put rescueOS in as a uboot entry?14:04
kerioITEM_CMDLINE="rootdelay root=/dev/ram0"14:05
kerioalso ITEM_NAME to whatever you want14:05
jon_yand the kernel?14:05
kerio2.6.37 is the name of the kerne14:05
jon_yno need to ubootize it?14:05
kerioput kernel and initrd in /boot or /opt/boot and then run u-boot-update-bootmenu14:05
kerioit'll be automatically ubootified14:06
jon_yah ok, thanks14:06
keriooh, and you also need ITEM_OMAPATAG="1"14:07
jon_ykerio: lastly, where do I put the initrd?14:07
japa-fiAnyone have the flasher. Nokias website is messed up, the windows version downloads ok, but not the debian package14:07
keriostill in /boot or /opt/boot14:07
japa-fi"Duplicate headers received from server" is what chrome says14:08
jon_yjapa-fi: try in IE or firefox14:08
jon_yI needed to try different browsers14:08
japa-fiTried with firefox..14:08
japa-fiI'll boot a VM to try with IE14:08
jon_yLava_Croft: needs some funny cookie or GET/POST to work14:09
Lava_Croftah yeah of course14:09
japa-fiFunnily, the windows binary can be downloaded without issues14:11
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japa-fiThanks, Just managed to pull it off with IE14:19
japa-fiNow I have those files also saved for future use14:20
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DocScrutinizer05japa-fi: Lava_Croft: psycho_oreos:
japa-figood idea14:52
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japa-firestored- Now restarting. Keeping fingers crossed14:55
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japa-fiWe are Liiiiiive!14:59
japa-fiminus kernel for power users, minus tweetian15:00
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japa-finow, where could I get the compability package required by tweetian15:02
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japa-fiCould someone provide me with a link to qt-components-10-com-nokia.meego-1.1-compat15:06
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if somebody with a tiny bit of http/html knowledge is willing to help fix the "duplicate headers" problem as of quoted above15:10
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infobotfrom memory, flasher is, or
japa-fiFound solution to compability package, was in irc logs15:12
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rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: nokia's web server is broken/non-standard.15:12
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: we can do sth about that15:12
DocScrutinizer05just tell me what needs to be done15:13
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: mirror the website in IE, throw it up on Skeiron which has some newer httpd.15:13
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DocScrutinizer05a) that's already done, b) that's not what I asked for15:14
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DocScrutinizer05I want to fix the original place where to download all that stuff15:15
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rikaneeNOK1V still won't redirect tablets-dev to skein?15:15
rikaneepoint's A record to skein, and "fix" the original place to download.15:16
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: you know about unix tools host, dig, whois?15:16
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DocScrutinizer05rikanee: that's extreme nonsense15:16
DocScrutinizer05particularly since we have NO control over the DNS records15:17
DocScrutinizer05of nokia domains15:17
DocScrutinizer05we *have* _some_ control over the _content_ of _some_ domains though15:17
DocScrutinizer05so please tell me what's wrong with the content, rather than suggesting botching with DNS15:18
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rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: the HTML is correct.15:19
rikaneeit's missing doctype and all, but it should work.15:19
DocScrutinizer05I won't abandon/abuse a akamai server farm to redirect to a 50EUR/month server at Hetzner ;-D15:19
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DocScrutinizer05~listvalues maemo-dev-env-downloads.php15:22
infobotFactoid search of 'maemo-dev-env-downloads.php' by value (1): flasher.15:22
DocScrutinizer05goddamn php!15:31
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DocScrutinizer05watch URL when "Accept"!15:32
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_jester_hello world15:36
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: so what exactly is the problem with flasher (et al) download?15:36
_jester_so finally reflashed, and on the channel through the phone15:36
japa-fihello _jester_15:37
DocScrutinizer05hmm, xchat15:37
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infobotit has been said that jrxchat is
_jester_and the doc wanted to double check15:37
_jester_is that better DocScrutinizer05?15:38
_jester_i got this cause im used to the interface on my desktop15:38
DocScrutinizer05well, some users say it's mandatory to make xchat usable15:38
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_jester_its an old client, something i used to usee back in the day IRC was the only social media15:40
_jester_i guess its nostalgia15:40
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_jester_thankgod people arnt saying that about bitchx15:41
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japa-fiIrcII is the real thing.15:41
_jester_see, there you go, purists15:41
japa-fiBut now I'm on xchat (fedora), for N900 the irc clients are... pain15:42
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japa-fitoo small displayu15:42
_jester_yea, but im making it work. just need to be on one channel and made the font bigger15:43
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_jester_chnaged the colors. its do-able15:44
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DocScrutinizer05_jester_: that's what is all about15:48
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: could you please check and see if the problem can get fixed there?15:49
DocScrutinizer05particularly: "" // user requested download. send file. ""  and  ""//added-comment(again?)jr20130531 header("Content-Disposition: attachment;filename=".@urlencode($filename));""15:50
_jester_DocScrutinizer: did all the configuration myself and im pretty comfy with it so far but thanks for the link15:50
_jester_i had to reflash my phone the second time in 2 days, im guessing it must be due to overclocking, undervolting or smart reflex15:52
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_jester_just wondering how many people face the same issue15:52
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_jester_perhaps theres a way to identify the exact issue15:54
RaimuMaybe the issue is overclocking and/or undervolting your n900? *smirk*15:55
_jester_raimu: yea or smart reflex15:56
RaimuSeriously though, what sort of oc/uv/sr thing have you got? I could say something from my experience.15:56
_jester_well i overclocked the power50 to 250 85015:57
_jester_ulv profile15:57
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_jester_and smart reflex15:58
DocScrutinizer05sure, more speed and less gasoline, makes sense15:58
_jester_then came easy debian and it would restart when uncompressing the image15:59
DocScrutinizer05that's a completely unrelated but notorious issue15:59
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_jester_Docscrutinizer05: well the wiki said i could do it and before easy debian, it was very smooth16:00
_jester_Docscrutinizer05: a friend/student urged me to try it out. i aint a debian fan specially not oa full desktop on this tiny screen16:01
_jester_i do however think the enlightenment 17 environment would work great as a hildon replacement16:02
_jester_too much work to customize it for the phone though16:02
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_jester_so got easy debian working without overclocking but im hardly impressed16:04
DocScrutinizer05so what?16:05
DocScrutinizer05"I bought this device because it's maemo, and I heard maemo is easy to turn into ubuntu"?16:06
DocScrutinizer05nothing wrong with tinkering with your  N900 all you like, but don't expect stuff to work flawlessly. After all it's optimized for maemo fremantle16:07
japa-fi_jester_ what is ulv profile?16:08
DocScrutinizer05not for enlightenment or nitdroid or easydebian or whatever16:08
DocScrutinizer05ultra low voltage16:08
_jester_not my idea to change it into something else, i just like how enlightenment looks. its only a desktop environment16:08
DocScrutinizer05you probably should stay away from OC, voltage profiles, and SR16:08
_jester_secondly the native maemo does lack a few applications i would have liked to see.16:09
_jester_for one, i couldnt find a working twitter client, in part to the new twitter api im sure16:10
_jester_no word processor.16:10
japa-fi_jester_ have you tried tweetian?16:10
_jester_the email client certainly leaves much to be desired16:11
RaimuTweetian is very nice, but requires CSSU I recall16:11
_jester_japa-fi: not that i can recall, but id look it up, thanks16:12
_jester_raimu: i got the cssu16:12
_jester_Docscrutinizer05: id be staying away for now but its just so much fun messing with this device :p16:13
RaimuDid you say you use kp50?16:13
Raimukp52 should be a good bit stabler.16:13
_jester_id give that a go as well, and tweetian isnt on my fam. im on the stable cssu. dont think testing or devel is going to be my thing16:15
_jester_kp52isnt there as well16:16
psycho_oreos<DocScrutinizer05> psycho_oreos: <-- kudos (+1)16:16
DocScrutinizer05so... it's not my turn today to do the dish washing! Who's in charge to check that friggin problem with "duplicate headers" error when downloading flasher? I'll help and do the toweling16:16
infobotsomebody said maemo-flashing was
DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-04 14:36:47] <DocScrutinizer05> rikanee: so what exactly is the problem with flasher (et al) download?16:17
DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-04 14:49:01] <DocScrutinizer05> rikanee: could you please check and see if the problem can get fixed there?16:17
DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-04 14:50:27] <DocScrutinizer05> particularly: "" // user requested download. send file. ""  and  ""//added-comment(again?)jr20130531 header("Content-Disposition: attachment;filename=".@urlencode($filename));""16:17
_jester_japa-fi : doesnt install, says some required packages are missing16:18
japa-fiinstall from extras-devel16:19
japa-fithen install nelisquare, then install tweetian16:19
_jester_japa-fi : i wont get conflicts and no need to enable the extras-devel repo?16:20
japa-fiThe compat package is in extras-devel. I just downloaded the .deb  manually:
japa-fithen dpkg -i
japa-fithen apt-get -f install16:21
_jester_im on it16:21
japa-fiworked without extras-devel16:21
japa-fiLastly, installed  for some missing icons or stuff16:21
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rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: and there's your problem16:24
rikaneethe page is loaded onto itself.16:25
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, trying that tablets-dev from my end I get weird errors ranging from 503,504 using wget 1.14 (desktop) to 404 using firefox 21.0 (desktop). Tried to download maemo flasher for i386 initially then trying to download win32 version.16:25
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: a better solution would be for that page to set a token, and the downloads page checking for the token and referrer16:25
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psycho_oreosActually the bulk of those are 404 with firefox 21.0.16:26
DocScrutinizer05this IS the download page16:26
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DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: 404 is absolutely not reproducible here16:28
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, weird. Now I'm getting service unavailable for Before there was a disclaimer page before I click to accept and it would show me downloads but its just simply service unavailable.16:29
psycho_oreosReference #6.63911d78.1372944479.1f680ff916:29
DocScrutinizer05damn, sth fscked up16:29
DocScrutinizer05repository, down. That explains a lot16:30
psycho_oreosReference #6.1cc633b8.1372944603.18707354 <-- refreshed a few times from my end. I do know there is a transparent proxy between my connection and to that website. The transparent proxy is by my ISP so I hope those error messages are directly from that link and not from my transparent proxy.16:31
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DocScrutinizer05Jul  4 15:18:29 blade-a kernel: vif vif-11-0 vif11.0: Frag is bigger than frame.16:35
DocScrutinizer05Jul  4 15:18:29 blade-a kernel: vif vif-11-0 vif11.0: fatal error; disabling device16:35
DocScrutinizer05Jul  4 15:18:29 blade-a kernel: xenbr1: port 5(vif11.0) entered disabled state16:35
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psycho_oreosThat would explain why there's no network connectivity :).16:36
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DocScrutinizer05and again the incredible superheroes of techstaff rescued your infra in no time - we're up again16:38 is up from my end (just by looking at the start page). tablets-dev also works but the links from my end are telling me corrupted content data.16:38
psycho_oreos"wget" shows the file is 17K whilst firefox still shows corrupted content data.16:40
DocScrutinizer05wget doesn't work without massive messing around with cookies16:42
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psycho_oreosOk yeah that was mentioned before, I'll just leave it at that. Seeing as how you've responded I'm going to try downloading the same deb file again. For N900, the flasher.16:43
DocScrutinizer05downloading maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz and opening it in Ark worked just fine16:43
psycho_oreos <-- still gives me corrupted content data :/16:43
* psycho_oreos thinks it will soon become a case of wfm lol16:44
DocScrutinizer05yes, that's the "duplicate content" issue I guess16:44
* psycho_oreos tries another browser instead.16:44
DocScrutinizer05I rather would like to know why FF21 refuses to download, and how to fix that on server side16:45
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psycho_oreosHmm the basic error reported by firefox isn't too helpful. Thinking of trying to get it maybe to output http headers and see if that helps?16:47
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DocScrutinizer05"inspect" in konqueror not exactly helpful to analyze what the server delivers and what might be odd with it16:48
DocScrutinizer05that's why I asked for HTML/HTTP savvy to help fixing this issue16:49
DocScrutinizer05*I* am not16:49
psycho_oreosahh *nods* I'm not one as well.16:50
DocScrutinizer05I just googled the "duplicate headers" error that chrome reported a few years ago and seems is still the issue, and looked into the php source and found which seems pretty related16:51
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DocScrutinizer05we have mimetype, Content-Type, Content-Disposition16:52
DocScrutinizer05it seems double or no Content-Disposition is related to that "duplicate headers" error16:53
DocScrutinizer05a few years ago chrome started blowing chunks when encountering such a download, "to protect user"16:54
DocScrutinizer05so if any PHP expert has a suggestion how to improve/fix the code in to make downloads in et al work flawlessly with all browsers, I'm highly interested to hear about your suggestions16:56
psycho_oreosIts easy to also assume firefox 21.0 is doing the same thing. Instead of displaying "duplicate headers" error it is showing "corrupted content data".16:56
DocScrutinizer05yes, that's what I think16:56
psycho_oreosrikanee said that the mirror link works fine. This is a very long shot but it might be worth trying to compare the two links to see where it might be wrong?16:57
DocScrutinizer05sorry you lost me16:58
psycho_oreosOh wait, no that mirror site is not designed in the same way.. there's no disclaimer (!) to begin with.16:58
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* psycho_oreos takes that back.16:59
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DocScrutinizer05btw I just tried opening in FF21, selecting "open in Ark" and it worked just fine17:07
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DocScrutinizer05I also tried to download and save Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z which worked fine until "do you want to overwrite existing file?" which I denied17:11
DocScrutinizer05^^^ with FF2117:11
DocScrutinizer05on linux17:12
psycho_oreosCopied and pasted the link you mentioned into my firefox and I still get corrupted content data. On linux as well.17:12
DocScrutinizer05well, c&p doesn't work17:12
DocScrutinizer05see above rationale about wget17:12
psycho_oreosSo refresh and manually click the link?17:12
DocScrutinizer05literally simply click the link17:14
DocScrutinizer05I guess RMB and "save destination as..." doesn't work17:14
DocScrutinizer05or might not work17:14
psycho_oreosClicked the link as is after clearing cache and reloading the same page.17:15
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ecc3godd. my n900 detects wall charger but not detect as mass storage mode...17:15
psycho_oreosRight clicked and clicked save destination as, firefox 21.0 gave the following error message "The download cannot be saved because an unknown error occurred. Please try again."17:16
psycho_oreosThat's with the deb file (linux flasher for N900)17:16
DocScrutinizer05I have no use for that file, will try to download it nevertheless17:16
DocScrutinizer05maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb  right?17:17
psycho_oreosApologies, was clicking on the harmattan one (flasher_3.12.1_i386.deb), just tried the one for fremantle with clicking it (to open) and right clicking (clicking to save as). Still with fremantle flasher it still shows error.17:19
DocScrutinizer05clicked LMB, saved as..., opened with Archiver (Ark) -> fine17:19
DocScrutinizer05FF21, Linux17:19
DocScrutinizer05I dunno why you use RMB all the time17:20
DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-04 16:14:46] <DocScrutinizer05> I guess RMB and "save destination as..." doesn't work17:20
ecc3gahh reboot fixed it...17:20
DocScrutinizer05though works as well for me17:21
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psycho_oreosStrange, some of the text files does prompt the download box, and one of the zip also works: I was LMB before which kept showing up corrupted content data, RMB gives me similar results with the exact same link as given using LMB and trying to save destination as.17:21
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DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: you might be connected to a akamai server that has garbled content, maybe?17:24
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psycho_oreosActually that makes no sense, japa-fi said that the win32 flasher can be downloaded in his case but in mine I get corrupted content regardless of which win32 flasher I try to download.17:25
DocScrutinizer05jr@saturn:~/config/openvpn/joerg> host is an alias for is an alias for has address has address
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DocScrutinizer05echo >>/etc/hosts17:26
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, Similar output: is an alias for | is an alias for | has address | has address
psycho_oreosYeah that actually may help I suppose.17:26
DocScrutinizer05obviously NOT same output17:27
DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-04 16:24:16] <DocScrutinizer05> psycho_oreos: you might be connected to a akamai server that has garbled content, maybe?17:27
psycho_oreosThough the alias did work though :)17:27
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japa-fipsycho_oroes: I didn't check the content validity, just that the download started and I was able to save the windows version of flasher17:28
DocScrutinizer05japa-fi: you forgot to assign <tab> to nick-complete, in xchat? ;-)17:29
psycho_oreosI guess it looks like the Google's public DNS is messed up. "dig" outputs " 19 IN A | 19 IN A | ;; Query time: 495 msec | ;; SERVER:"17:30
DocScrutinizer05what's messed up in it?17:30
japa-fiDocScrutinizer05, haven't used it before. Thanks for mentioning17:30
DocScrutinizer05akamai runs server farms for content distribution17:31
psycho_oreosjapa-fi, though you were using the same browser for the two links right? one on windows flasher and the other for linux flasher. The windows flasher from the same browser worked but not the linux flasher from the same browser. At least that was the same impression as what I thought.17:31
DocScrutinizer05it's supposed to deliver different IP for everybody17:31
japa-fiThat's correct17:31
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, I thought host relies on DNS server to provide IP addresses. Though host output isn't as useful (imho) as dig output which shows the DNS server that is queried in question.17:32
DocScrutinizer05usually the IP you see should result in a short traceroute path17:32
DocScrutinizer05host -a does same17:32
psycho_oreosHaven't tried host -a, going to have a poke at it now.17:33
psycho_oreosAhh yes indeed :D thanks.17:33
psycho_oreosSo.. if I try using the IP address from your DNS output then I should in theory be on the same page as you :D.17:34
DocScrutinizer05thus  [2013-07-04 16:26:26] <DocScrutinizer05> echo >>/etc/hosts17:34
DocScrutinizer05(don't forget to remove it after tests finished!)17:35
psycho_oreosIt might be faster to just punch in the IP address into the browser bar ;)17:36
psycho_oreosHmm no, going to try what you said instead lol.17:36
DocScrutinizer05that might not pan out17:36
DocScrutinizer05since then the vHost doesn't match17:36
psycho_oreosIt didn't :/ lol, wasn't as easy as I thought.17:37
psycho_oreosYeah plus the way large mirrors work.17:37
DocScrutinizer05i.e. it asks server about "" instead of ""17:37
DocScrutinizer05also don't forget to restart FF, it for sure uses internal IP table cahce17:38
DocScrutinizer05cache even17:38
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DocScrutinizer05if you want to make sure all works fine, have a look at what's actually going on with netstat or wireshark, it should show a connection to IP
DocScrutinizer05if you then STILL see that annoying error, then it has to be related to your local system17:40
DocScrutinizer05we then probably need to compare... err FF settings17:41
psycho_oreosHaha I don't think we'll need to boil down that far.. to FF settings :D. Though I'll need to find out how to make systemd reload /etc/hosts or where would it read the list of hosts instead. I've just finished editing my /etc/hosts but host output still points back to the old link.17:43
DocScrutinizer05host doesn't use etc/hosts17:45
DocScrutinizer05it's resolver-lib that opens tc/hosts17:45
DocScrutinizer05host tool doesn't use resolver lib17:45
DocScrutinizer05it directly asks your DNS server17:45
DocScrutinizer05FF only uses resolver lib when URL<->IP isn't internally cahced already17:46
DocScrutinizer05konqueror afail always used resolver lib17:47
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DocScrutinizer05and of course your DSL router might run a transparent DNS proxy17:49
DocScrutinizer05for any requests on port 5317:49
DocScrutinizer05but that's irrelevant here17:49
DocScrutinizer05it just might introduce delays for any changes in public geoDNS server data to propagate to your system17:50
DocScrutinizer05even to dig/host17:51
psycho_oreosI hope that isn't the case lol, transparent DNS proxy. It's already annoying that they are using transparent HTTP proxy to spoof internet connection throughput. Yeah I just learnt after asking in my #<distro_support_channel>, so hopefully restarting my FF should work,17:51
DocScrutinizer05you can tell pretty easily, by replacing by in etc/hosts17:52
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DocScrutinizer05then any request to shall fail17:52
DocScrutinizer05then revert that to, and you can be rather sure a successful access to is in fact to
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DocScrutinizer05btw not exactly unheard that parts of the akamai server farm have garbled data17:53
psycho_oreosYeah, I thought prior to systemd it was historically to restart networking (was using debian based distro at that time).17:54
DocScrutinizer05we seen that a lot when repos were on akamai17:54
DocScrutinizer05(restart network) not needed17:54
DocScrutinizer05DNS resolving is a duty of each app on its own17:54
DocScrutinizer05unless you run a local DNS proxy17:55
DocScrutinizer05but even then, etc/hosts shall override any of that17:55
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DocScrutinizer05I'm no expert for that stuff, but what I'm telling is in line with my experience17:56
DocScrutinizer05and I had my fair share of messing with DNs and etc/hosts lately, during migration#217:57
psycho_oreosAhh I guess that's where I was under a false impression. I used to just simply add entries into /etc/hosts and expect things like host/dig to show the new data. That was wrong on at least two counts. Now I guess it makes sense how it works I mean you are saying more or less the same thing as what the other person said in my distro support channel.17:58
DocScrutinizer05still a few dozen lines like17:58
DocScrutinizer05#      maemo.org17:58
DocScrutinizer05#      www.maemo.org17:58
DocScrutinizer05#      planet.maemo.org17:58
DocScrutinizer05in my etc/hosts17:58
DocScrutinizer05damn, and even17:59
DocScrutinizer05213.128.137.24  scratchbox.org17:59
psycho_oreosI've just restarted firefox and the links you mentioned that was working on your end is now also working on my end with the IP addresses you have provided.17:59
DocScrutinizer05213.128.137.24  lists.scratchbox.org17:59
* psycho_oreos thinks about adding those in case it gets messed up again next time.18:00
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DocScrutinizer05so you say we traced it down to "akamai has garbled content"?18:01
psycho_oreoshaha now my host output of has different set again:
psycho_oreosThat's what I would be guessing at this stage by now yes. The garbled content from akamai got me going around in circles.18:02
DocScrutinizer05if that's right, then adding the IPs won't help, since next time it might be THAT server that has garbled data18:02
psycho_oreosThat'd be really annoying, its like playing Russian roulettes lol.18:03
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DocScrutinizer05not much _you_ can do about it. _I_ might try to look into akamai syncing to stage and if sth is fishy in there18:03
* psycho_oreos wonders if that should be added into the wiki page for future reference. That akamai can give out garbled data.18:04
DocScrutinizer05yes, please do!18:04
DocScrutinizer05much appreciated18:04
* psycho_oreos comments out the IPs that were mentioned and tries to use public DNS instead and see if its garbled.18:04
* psycho_oreos itches head. Guess he could try in the very least.18:05
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: many many thanks for your patience and endurance in helping to evaluate that issue18:06
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, likewise for your contributions :) I wouldn't have figured that out easily being a simple garbled output.18:07
DocScrutinizer05me neither, without your help18:07
psycho_oreosThe wiki page does seem to be quite relevant on pointing out mirror for when &*^!! hits the fan. Not sure how can I make it sound any better.. hmm just add garbled/duplicate headers error I suppose.18:09
psycho_oreosWell I guess we're somewhat even then :)18:09
DocScrutinizer05now if you also make a (mental) bookmark to monitor.m.o, you're in with the expert crew ;-)18:09
psycho_oreosIt'd be hard but I suppose I can try. :)18:09
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psycho_oreosOk wiki updated: I've decided to not go into the ramifications because I just don't see the need let alone to further confuse the end user.18:12
psycho_oreosAt least the mirror link isn't some akamai mirrored link :) which is a :thumbs up: for me.18:13
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psycho_oreosSeems like the akamai aliases rotate fairly frequently too. Just noticed that its now a completely different set of IP:
DocScrutinizer05the mirror is a proper hetzner box ;-)18:16
psycho_oreosYeah I'm not quite sure what hetzner is. *googles up*18:16
DocScrutinizer05hetzner is a high reliability professional server hoster18:17
DocScrutinizer05the defacto standard for at least Germany, if not Europe18:17
DocScrutinizer05In 5 years I've seen one single unsolicited reboot and one downtime on my cloud-7 box which also is hetzner18:18
psycho_oreosYeah I was about to say lol, never heard of them but I guess they may be put to the test if say PR1.4 gets released and that the main site is down (due to excess downloaders) *ducks*.18:18
psycho_oreosAhh yeah I know that link :D the one where you hosted all the photos of N900 being stripped.18:18
Fonkhello everyone18:19
DocScrutinizer05hi Fonk18:20
DocScrutinizer05welcome to maemo18:20
Fonkthanks Doc help me I installed pali's recovery boot18:20
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Fonkand whenever I choose recovery console it reboots18:21
DocScrutinizer05Pali_: ^^^18:21
DocScrutinizer05Pali_: ping18:21
Pali_whats up?18:22
Pali_(no time to read full backlog)18:22
DocScrutinizer05only 5 lines ;-P18:22
Fonkpali I am on cssu testing 8.2 and kpv51r118:22
Pali_problem with recovery console?18:22
Pali_update to last version from extras-devel18:23
Pali_also check if you have last version of bootmenu18:23
Pali_(from extras-devel)18:23
DocScrutinizer05damn, we're a nice bunch ;-D18:23
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Lava_Croftmerlin1991: how frequent, if ever, is your devel-light sync'd to the 'full' extras-devel?18:23
FonkI am on recovery console 2-118:24
Fonkisn't it the latest version18:24
Lava_Croftseems to be! :)18:24
Pali_and bootmenu version?18:24
Lava_Croftdoes kp allow you to boot with fb?18:25
Lava_Croftlike that fb kernel MAG once put out18:25
Pali_kp has external moduel for framebuffer18:25
Lava_Croftso you can see normal linux boot instead of magic dots18:25
Pali_and recovery console loading it18:25
Pali_but that module is not loaded by default18:26
DocScrutinizer05I guess you can load it during early boot as well18:26
Lava_Croftwell, i used to use MAG's fb kernel quite a while ago, was wondering if kp supports that18:26
Pali_yes, if you modify bootmenu or something other18:26
Lava_Croftany link to info?18:26
Pali_here it is ^^^18:27
DocScrutinizer05Pali_: <Fonk> 1.1218:27
Pali_1.12 is last bootmenu version in extras-devel18:27
Pali_Fonk: which version do you have?18:27
Pali_ah, I see 1.1218:28
DocScrutinizer051.12 ^^^^18:28
Pali_in my git repo is fixed bug which can cause reboot when entering to recovery console18:28
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Pali_maybe it is that problem18:29
DocScrutinizer05o/ afk, RL calling18:29
Pali_problem happends when R&D mode was never activated and R&D key in CAL is missing18:29
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Pali_I will release new version of bootmenu in next weeks18:30
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DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-04 17:29:44] <-- Fonk has left this server (Ping timeout: 256 seconds).18:30
Lava_CroftPali_: fbcon is module, right?18:30
Pali_easy fix for that could be: enable R&D mode via flasher, boot maemo, shutdown, disable R&D mode18:30
Pali_Lava_Croft: yes18:30
Lava_Croftwhat is the sane way to make that work at boot on maemo?18:30
Pali_infobot: #maemo zimage-fb is on
infobotokay, Pali_18:31
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, excellent ibot factoid18:31
PaliLava_Croft: edit /sbin/preinit18:31
Palino other way for early loading18:32
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Lava_Croftok, thanks18:32
Palibut editing preinit can be dangerous (and can cause unbootable device)18:32
Paliso make sure you know what doing18:32
Lava_Crofti know, thanks for the warning:)18:32
Palibtw, I'm preparing new version of sbin/preinit for CSSU with option to early load kernel drivers18:32
Paliand for speed up booting bootmenu, backupmenu and recovery console18:33
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Lava_Crofti guess adding to to modules to probe/load should be enough?18:33
DocScrutinizer05yeah, please no speedup adventures18:34
Palispeedup will be: if special variable is set it means that devices in /dev/ are already created18:35
DocScrutinizer05rather make damn sure you only replace unaltered genuine preinit18:35
Palibecause now something creating preinit, something bootmenu and something recovery console18:35
Paliand something which is in bootmenu must be in preinit (e.g. some upstart depends on /dev/ttySOMETHING)18:36
PaliI'm only fixing mess in preinit and adding some checks which create needed files for booting18:37
Fonkso pali its time to wait till you release new version of recovery console18:37
Pali[17:30:28] <Pali_> easy fix for that could be: enable R&D mode via flasher, boot maemo, shutdown, disable R&D mode18:37
Lava_Croftaw, probing fbcon via preinit didnt get rid of the dots18:38
Palithere are 2 different dots18:38
DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: nah, you need to stop those dots explicitly18:38
Lava_Croftfor gods sake18:38
Pali1. dots from framebuffer18:38
DocScrutinizer05resp kick them out18:38
Pali2. dots from Xserver18:38
Lava_Croftboth were gone with MAG's fb kernel tho18:38
Lava_Croft(im not too technical)18:38
Pali1. is some process started from /etc/init.d/fb*18:38
Pali2. is unknown for me now18:38
DocScrutinizer052. is foo_progress somewhere18:39
Lava_Croftall i know is that flashing MAG's fb kernel gets you a normal looking linux boot process18:39
Lava_Croftwithout any of the dots18:39
Lava_Crofti was under the impression this would too :<18:39
Paligoing offline, bye :-)18:40
Lava_Crofthave fun!18:40
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Fonkthank you pali, doc, lava and all others for your help18:41
Lava_Croftno problem, its the maemo way! :)18:41
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DocScrutinizer05however without monolithic fb, you'll miss out on early boot log18:42
DocScrutinizer05some systems do a dmesg >/dev/console immediately after loading console aka fb18:43
DocScrutinizer05I doubt maemo does that on default18:43
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DocScrutinizer05mag's fb kernel had the annoying problem of not booting once out of 3 times, iirc18:45
DocScrutinizer05luckily it rebooted unattended then18:46
DocScrutinizer05prolly PANIC18:47
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DocScrutinizer05I never looked into it18:47
merlin1991Lava_Croft: every day at 5 am cest18:58
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Lava_Croftmerlin1991: heh, much more than i thought. Thanks for that!19:08
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Macerthe presets on the maemo wiki dont' seem to wrok with new versions of handbrake :-/20:04
psycho_oreosSo find a solution and maybe update it?20:07
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Macertrying to :-P20:09
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Macerhm. let me test this preset out and see what it looks like20:16
Macerthis am A10 isn't encoding video as quickly as i thought it would20:16
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GI_JackI am trying to download flasher-3.5 fom nokia but I keep on getting a corrupted data error20:35
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psycho_oreosGI_Jack, tried the mirrored site?20:39
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GI_Jackthe mirrored site does NOT have flasher-3.520:44
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Lava_Croftgoogling for it probably reveals a copy somewhere20:48
infobotwell, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:, or see: ~tabletsdev20:48
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psycho_oreosGI_Jack, So what's this ?20:49
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GI_Jackpsycho_oreos, that wasn't linked to their main page on tablets, so I missed it20:49
DocScrutinizer05I admit the links are very misleading20:50
DocScrutinizer05Maemo 4.1.2 Diablo kernel patch and new kernel image for USB Networking on Windows, ver 0.420:50
psycho_oreosGI_Jack, just because it wasn't on the main page doesn't automagically meant that it was not there. It pays to inspect more thoroughly.20:50
DocScrutinizer05or Maemo 5 for Nokia N900  ->  Command line flasher binaries are available here.20:51
DocScrutinizer05wherever it been, it's not any more hidden than on original site20:52
DocScrutinizer05since skeiton is a 99.99% mirror of original nokia sites20:52
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DocScrutinizer05the 0.001% is about some removed annoyances20:53
DocScrutinizer05that weren't available for duplication anyway20:54
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DocScrutinizer05GI_Jack: so I honestly wonder how you managed to download corrupted data from but didn't find the exactly same link on skeiron20:56
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japa-fiDarn, since installing kernel power, my camera does not work :(20:59
japa-fiI have latest fcam-drivers20:59
DocScrutinizer05no you don't20:59
DocScrutinizer05FAQ #120:59
DocScrutinizer05uninsatll and reinstall fcam20:59
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GI_Jackugg, well my phone is reflashed, I hate to say this, but this phone is done, the GSM modem sheildering has taken more abuse than I can reasonably hope to repair it with21:16
kerioR.I.P. GI900, you have been a good phone21:18
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kerioGI_Jack: to be fair, it's still a fairly decent tablet21:19
GI_Jackmy main phone is my old razr v321:19
GI_Jackalong with the original nokia 6121 probably all time greatest handsets21:20
GI_Jackfound a new phone on ebay with a broken USB port, and a new USB port, total cost: 40 USB21:21
GI_Jackalong with a new case from china, which is already painted21:21
japa-fiDocScrutinizer05, thanks. So far I've already removed and reinstalled blessn90021:24
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DocScrutinizer05japa-fi: you need to unsinstall *all* apps that depend on fcam drivers, only then the drivers will get uninstalled and thus new drivers get installed on installing any of the fcam/blessN900/whatever apps21:26
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DocScrutinizer05as long as any app depends on the drivers, they are 'locked' and won't get updated21:27
japa-fiDocScrutinizer05, ok, this time i did apt-get remove fcam-drivers21:28
japa-fiThat removed the blessn900 too. Now restarting21:28
DocScrutinizer05that sounds like working :-)21:28
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japa-fiOk, the default camera now works.21:30
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japa-fiTime to install blessn90021:30
japa-fiInstalled blessn900, camera no longer works :(21:34
japa-fiGuess I'll have to live without blessn90021:34
DocScrutinizer05when I stream my disk images to, where will I download the backup when I need it?21:35
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DocScrutinizer05honestly, they build up a yotabyte backsup center and don't hand out the restore URL and credentials. That sucks21:40
DocScrutinizer05japa-fi: I guess you did sth wrong. Ask pali21:41
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: do you know what's the "problem" with fcam kernel drivers and KP?21:53
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DrCodehi all22:23
DrCodeI am thinking to buy power bank or mugen battery , any recommanded?22:24
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DocScrutinizer05DrCode: what for?22:39
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DrCodeextended battery life23:44
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DocScrutinizer05for extended battery life reduce your usage23:58
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