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DocScrutinizer05 | linux *based* | 00:14 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 00:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | kinda like linux is based on that Unix invented at Bell labs | 00:15 |
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Raimu | Well, uses the Linux kernel at least. | 00:49 |
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Sicelo | heavily patched to the oblivion | 00:56 |
Sicelo | -the | 00:56 |
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GI_Jack | pro-tip, when working with phones, do NOT use silicone adhesive, it obviously contains silicon a semi-conductor | 04:33 |
GI_Jack | in another news, Jacks an idiot | 04:33 |
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GI_Jack | well firefox os launched today | 05:32 |
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ecc3g | Silicon Dioxide is an insulator. | 07:38 |
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Macer | blah | 07:56 |
Macer | sociality news feed doesnt work again | 07:56 |
Macer | fking facebook heh | 07:56 |
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Macer | ah ok. the one on devel is broken | 08:00 |
Macer | the one from the forum works | 08:01 |
Macer | ah well good enough :) | 08:01 |
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GI_Jack | ecc3g, I had the GSM modem problem, so I tried fixing it as described with loctite, don't do that, its a thread sealer, which is great inside threads, but its too brittle to be used as a GP glue | 08:09 |
GI_Jack | so I decided I needed an adhesive that good wiggle, cause I move around a lot and ride a motorcycle | 08:09 |
GI_Jack | so I tried gluing the GSM modem back together with silcone gasket maket | 08:10 |
GI_Jack | maker | 08:10 |
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GI_Jack | do not do this. | 08:10 |
ecc3g | hmm. | 08:10 |
ecc3g | I never thought of gluing electronic components together... | 08:11 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, I can't follow what's this all about | 10:58 |
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Pali | ACM ICPC world finals now live on http://icpc2013.ru/competition/live.xml | 11:20 |
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Drathir | but should be special silicon like that be can used on electronic things, second thing im not sure but normal silicon should contain acid and dont sure if interact with pbc... | 12:40 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | the term silicon for everything based on Si is as ambiguous and missleading as if I'd use "carbon" for every mineral oil and alcohol and usual glue and acrylic and whatnot else | 13:00 |
rikanee | everything's highly doped nowadays because Si just doesn't cut it anymore | 13:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | in German "Silikon" means Poly(organo)siloxane | 13:12 |
DocScrutinizer05 | while Si is "Silizium" | 13:12 |
freemangordon | same here | 13:12 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and nobody would think SiO2 is introducing any problem to electronics by shorting circuits or whatever | 13:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | btw carbon also is a semiconductor | 13:15 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and nobody would expect that all organic compounds are shorting electronics just because they contain carbon as component in their molecules | 13:16 |
DocScrutinizer05 | still I completely fail to grok what this "fix cmt with glue" stuff is all about | 13:17 |
rikanee | isn't cmt's problem bad soldering? | 13:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | if you're talking about gluing the springs into place, then you indeed shouldn't worry about conductivity of the glue since it only is in contact to backside of ceramic chip body | 13:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: exactly | 13:18 |
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DrCode | ok | 13:32 |
DrCode | I have ordered n900 | 13:32 |
Wizzup | \o/ | 13:32 |
DrCode | I know its not new phone, but I still love linux | 13:32 |
Wizzup | gnu/linux* even | 13:32 |
DrCode | I have samsung with android | 13:33 |
DrCode | I don't like it | 13:33 |
DrCode | I am sure linux much better | 13:33 |
DrCode | how come no new hardware mobile for meamo | 13:33 |
DrCode | I don;t understand | 13:34 |
japa-fi | DrCode: one analysis is available at http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/ . Well, perhaps not analysis, but one gets the picture. Just start reading some 2 years from now to get the full picture. And take the message with grain of salt. | 13:38 |
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DrCode | I see | 13:42 |
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DrCode | I think for what I need on my mobile , n900 answers to my needs | 13:43 |
DrCode | so I don't need all fast hardware | 13:44 |
DrCode | meamo have updates for sofware and so? apt-get update | 13:44 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | DrCode: welcome to the club | 13:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 13:50 |
DrCode | thankyou | 13:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | DrCode: no, maemo is considered "mature" since PR1.3, and also Nokia stopped support for and abandoned that product line. So no official updates for maemo OS and core apps. However the community contributions you can get from extras(-*) repos see frequent updates still (well some of them), and then we also have CSSU which tries to provide bugfixes and core system improvements/augments on a FOSS basis, complementary to the Nokia core maemo | 13:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | repos | 13:53 |
japa-fi | Only negative thing I have for n900 is: no Sonos controller, some of the websites kill Opera (or just take all CPU, are slow), but in general I have no second thoughts on having this phone. | 13:53 |
DrCode | ok | 13:53 |
DrCode | thnku | 13:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | (or take all CPU) HAH, that's not an unseen issue even on my i5 desktop | 13:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | blame "web programmers" who think it's a brilliant idea and a good reference for own qualification to have a maximum messed up ecmascript (aka javascript) website that however is coded in such a pathetic way that it either eats all your resources for nothing, or even doesn't work at all when any miniscule detail of your webbrowser settings / environment is not exactly like what that devel expected it to be | 13:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | jolla.com an excellent example | 13:58 |
rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: practically nothing except multithreaded video re-encoding eats 100% CPU on a dual-socket 24-thread machine | 13:58 |
rikanee | given, this build was overkill for a workstation, but nothing ever burns up a core anymore | 13:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but I see bowser eating one of my 4 cores 100% every now and then | 13:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | always JS | 13:59 |
rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: which browser? | 14:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | konqueror | 14:00 |
rikanee | mmm. | 14:00 |
rikanee | Firefox 21 on Arch, even websites with JS that make the tab hang doesn't make CPU use jump to more than 30% per core | 14:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and no matter if konqueror or FF, many of those JS sites tend to eat 1, 2, or 3 or 4 GIGAbytes of ram, after keeping window open for several days | 14:01 |
rikanee | RAM though, is another story | 14:01 |
DocScrutinizer05 | even monitor.maemo.org does | 14:01 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | at least once a week I have to close all ganlia and icinga and mrtg windows/tabs to avoid my machine running out of RAM | 14:03 |
rikanee | largely a result of current JS engines caching byte code in RAM, IIRC. | 14:04 |
DocScrutinizer05 | not only bytecode, I blame image cache for refreshing graphics / pictures | 14:08 |
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amin007110 | Heh, the same exits on my i7 machine running ubuntu 12.04 and ff21 :) Closing ff to release 3gb out of 4gb total memory is inevitable, at least once in a week! | 14:11 |
amin007110 | exists* | 14:12 |
DrCode | jolla is n900 like? | 14:12 |
japa-fi | jolla does not have real keyboard | 14:16 |
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amin007110 | DocScrutinizer05, my wireless connecting problem has been resolved by reinstalling 'ipv6-support' and 'libicd-network-ipv6-scripts' using 'dpkg -i --force-all', because normal installations return and error each time. | 14:20 |
amin007110 | just for info | 14:20 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: thanks | 14:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I thought as much, since all dmesg/syslog quotes always show a line like "no ipv6 accesspoints found" | 14:23 |
amin007110 | router | 14:24 |
merlin1991 | ~usbfix | 14:24 |
merlin1991 | arf no infobot | 14:24 |
sixwheeledbeast | merlin1991: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 | 14:25 |
merlin1991 | thanks sixwheeledbeast | 14:26 |
sixwheeledbeast | np | 14:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: (infobot) seems Tim's DSL or server is down | 14:27 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: oooh "router"? makes even more sense, this might refer to _local_ router, on system | 14:28 |
amin007110 | The line exactly is "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present". | 14:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP | 14:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP|grep ipv | 14:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | only ipv4 for me | 14:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if ipv6 would mess up stuff there, or awake a sleeping bug | 14:33 |
amin007110 | here both ipv6 and ipv4 | 14:34 |
amin007110 | ipv6_autoconf = 1 | 14:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 14:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much | 14:34 |
Drathir | japa-fi: rollback opera hear help a lot... | 14:36 |
amin007110 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85357 post 10 and 13 is related to my problem with a few differences in error messages :) | 14:37 |
Pali | for ipv6 support there is package in extras-devel | 14:37 |
amin007110 | I see | 14:38 |
* Drathir using nightly browser mostly on pc... | 14:38 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah! Inst libicd-network-ipv6-scripts (0.2 Extras-devel:2.0/fremantle) Inst ipv6-support (0.2 Extras-devel:2.0/fremantle) | 14:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | extras-devel is notorious to eat your cat and your device | 14:39 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | golden rule: do installas from extras-devel UTTERLY CONSCIOUSLY, and EXPECT and SEARCH FOR problems after any such install or update | 14:41 |
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sixwheeledbeast | Even if you don't have a cat, it will eat someones then cough it up in your hallway ;) | 15:03 |
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* Drathir dont want allow hurt the any cat... :p | 15:05 | |
sixwheeledbeast | nyancat :yum: | 15:06 |
Drathir | yea... | 15:06 |
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amin007110 | well, at least my cats are always hungry! hehe ! | 15:07 |
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sixwheeledbeast | it would appear nyan.cat has gone pirate lately :) | 15:09 |
Drathir | maybe someone else steal a cats meal? | 15:09 |
Drathir | im jokeing ofc... | 15:10 |
amin007110 | yes, Neighbor's cat! lol | 15:10 |
DocScrutinizer05 | when your cats (plural!) are not defending their own food with claws and teeth - literally - then they are a) lazy b) chicken c) too fat d) very unhappy for "being imprisoned", but anyway they are very unusual | 15:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | usually they wouldn't allow neighbour's cat to join their dinner ;-) | 15:18 |
amin007110 | a & b | 15:21 |
kerio | DocScrutinizer05: maybe *your* cats are just assholes who don't want to share :c | 15:25 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | :3 | 15:35 |
Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: or one possibilities have a surgery to dont have more cats, and then sometimes cats also dont try to catch bird i hear but dont know it is true... | 15:38 |
merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: silly question, but how did you remove the 2nd pcb that is around the camera? | 15:41 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | low and gently | 16:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | slow* | 16:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it's ds-sticky taped | 16:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so, you need not too cold temperatures (some 30°C are probably fine), and slowly pry it off | 16:18 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | apply gentle force and wait until it comes off, may take a minute or two before it noticeably starts moving | 16:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | as soon as it starts moving, you reduce force significantly | 16:20 |
DocScrutinizer05 | when done carefully, you might even re-use the ds-sticky | 16:21 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | when it breaks or gets messed up (sticks to itself) then discard it completely and if you think you like that, replace with tesa doublesided transparent sticky tape stripes | 16:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it's not exactly mandatory in my book, probably mainly needed for ease of automatic assembly | 16:23 |
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sixwheeledbeast | I was careful enough to be able to stick mine back again. | 18:42 |
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Marshall_Banana | merlin1991: please update http://maemo.org/packages/view/dropbox-python-sdk/ with https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-June/118300.html | 20:27 |
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DrCode | hi all | 21:09 |
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DrCode | I didn't got my n900 phone yet, but I want to know how can I install fresh and latest meamo | 21:10 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: you managed to pry off the uSD/flash board? | 21:12 |
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merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: yep, it turned out the glue was quite strong, but nothing in the way actually | 22:09 |
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Marshall_Banana | merlin1991: please update http://maemo.org/packages/view/dropbox-python-sdk/ with https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-June/118300.html | 22:26 |
ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: wtf? | 22:30 |
merlin1991 | Marshall_Banana: it should arrive there 'soonish' | 22:33 |
Marshall_Banana | merlin: Yeah, i just checked build dir in that moment :) | 22:34 |
Marshall_Banana | merlin1991: thx | 22:34 |
merlin1991 | actually I have no idea what updates the webpage, but the file is in the repo: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/d/dropbox-python-sdk/ | 22:35 |
Marshall_Banana | Is there any way i can become maintainer of that package? | 22:37 |
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Win7Mac_ | hi | 22:47 |
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merlin1991 | Marshall_Banana: did you try the request to be a maintainer link? | 22:51 |
Marshall_Banana | merlin1991: the page doesn't show the nick, maybe because i use the extras assistant to upload | 22:51 |
merlin1991 | Marshall_Banana: go to the page and log in | 22:51 |
merlin1991 | then you should see a "Request to be maintainer of this package" where the maintainer is missing | 22:52 |
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Marshall_Banana | merlin1991: you were right, i wasn't logged in :s | 22:55 |
merlin1991 | and I approved you :) | 22:56 |
Marshall_Banana | thx | 22:58 |
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wnd | is this considered normal? http://wnd.katei.fi/tmp/n900.jpeg (right after full reflash and installation of cssu) | 23:26 |
wnd | thinking about it, I've seen this before, but back then I didn't think much about it... | 23:26 |
wnd | funny thing is, that only appears with Settings, it blurs when I open an application menu and it transforms when I switch to task manager (or whatever that view with application thumbnails is called) | 23:28 |
wnd | ah, it also appears with ham | 23:29 |
wnd | erm, lets just say it appears with all applications | 23:30 |
wnd | but only in ~title bar | 23:30 |
wnd | regardless of screen orientation | 23:30 |
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kerio | happens to me sometimes, not as badly | 23:31 |
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kerio | graphical bug | 23:31 |
sardini | idem, restart wnd | 23:31 |
kerio | wnd? | 23:32 |
sardini | wnd, restart | 23:32 |
sardini | :) | 23:32 |
wnd | will restart at some point anyway, I've got tons of stuff to reinstall and restore | 23:32 |
wnd | is thumb version of cssu worth trying? | 23:33 |
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kerio | oh hell yes | 23:33 |
kerio | microb feels amazing | 23:33 |
merlin1991 | wnd: yep this is "normal" it is the graphics core not initalizing properly which happens once upon a time | 23:35 |
merlin1991 | reboot and never think about it again is the only advice I have :D | 23:35 |
kerio | i've noticed that it happens a lot less if you let it boot completely before hammering on it | 23:35 |
kerio | some weird race condition in the graphics core? | 23:36 |
wnd | sounds believable | 23:36 |
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