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DocScrutinizer05linux *based*00:14
DocScrutinizer05kinda like linux is based on that Unix invented at Bell labs00:15
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RaimuWell, uses the Linux kernel at least.00:49
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Siceloheavily patched to the oblivion00:56
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GI_Jackpro-tip, when working with phones, do NOT use silicone adhesive, it obviously contains silicon a semi-conductor04:33
GI_Jackin another news, Jacks an idiot04:33
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GI_Jackwell firefox  os launched today05:32
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ecc3gSilicon Dioxide is an insulator.07:38
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Macersociality news feed doesnt work again07:56
Macerfking facebook heh07:56
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Macerah ok. the one on devel is broken08:00
Macerthe one from the forum works08:01
Macerah well good enough :)08:01
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GI_Jackecc3g, I had the GSM modem problem, so I tried fixing it as described with loctite, don't do that, its a thread sealer, which is great inside threads, but its too brittle to be used as a GP glue08:09
GI_Jackso I decided I needed an adhesive that good wiggle, cause I move around a lot and ride a motorcycle08:09
GI_Jackso I tried gluing the GSM modem back together with silcone gasket maket08:10
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GI_Jackdo not do this.08:10
ecc3gI never thought of gluing electronic components together...08:11
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DocScrutinizer05indeed, I can't follow what's this all about10:58
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PaliACM ICPC world finals now live on
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Drathirbut should be special silicon like that be can used on electronic things, second thing im not sure but normal silicon should contain acid and dont sure if interact with pbc...12:40
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DocScrutinizer05the term silicon for everything based on Si is as ambiguous and missleading as if I'd use "carbon" for every mineral oil and alcohol and usual glue and acrylic and whatnot else13:00
rikaneeeverything's highly doped nowadays because Si just doesn't cut it anymore13:03
DocScrutinizer05in German "Silikon" means Poly(organo)siloxane13:12
DocScrutinizer05while Si is "Silizium"13:12
freemangordonsame here13:12
DocScrutinizer05and nobody would think SiO2 is introducing any problem to electronics by shorting circuits or whatever13:14
DocScrutinizer05btw carbon also is a semiconductor13:15
DocScrutinizer05and nobody would expect that all organic compounds are shorting electronics just because they contain carbon as component in their molecules13:16
DocScrutinizer05still I completely fail to grok what this "fix cmt with glue" stuff is all about13:17
rikaneeisn't cmt's problem bad soldering?13:18
DocScrutinizer05if you're talking about gluing the springs into place, then you indeed shouldn't worry about conductivity of the glue since it only is in contact to backside of ceramic chip body13:18
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: exactly13:18
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DrCodeI have ordered n90013:32
DrCodeI know its not new phone, but I still love linux13:32
Wizzupgnu/linux* even13:32
DrCodeI have samsung with android13:33
DrCodeI don't like it13:33
DrCodeI am sure linux much better13:33
DrCodehow come no new hardware mobile for meamo13:33
DrCodeI don;t understand13:34
japa-fiDrCode: one analysis is available at . Well, perhaps not analysis, but one gets the picture. Just start reading some 2 years from now to get the full picture. And take the message with grain of salt.13:38
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DrCodeI see13:42
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DrCodeI think for what I need on my mobile , n900 answers to my needs13:43
DrCodeso I don't need all fast hardware13:44
DrCodemeamo have updates for sofware and so? apt-get update13:44
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DocScrutinizer05DrCode: welcome to the club13:49
DocScrutinizer05DrCode: no, maemo is considered "mature" since PR1.3, and also Nokia stopped support for and abandoned that product line. So no official updates for maemo OS and core apps. However the community contributions you can get from extras(-*) repos see frequent updates still (well some of them), and then we also have CSSU which tries to provide bugfixes and core system improvements/augments on a FOSS basis, complementary to the Nokia core maemo13:53
japa-fiOnly negative thing I have for n900 is: no Sonos controller, some of the websites kill Opera (or just take all CPU, are slow), but in general I have no second thoughts on having this phone.13:53
DocScrutinizer05(or take all CPU) HAH, that's not an unseen issue even on my i5 desktop13:55
DocScrutinizer05blame "web programmers" who think it's a brilliant idea and a good reference for own qualification to have a maximum messed up ecmascript (aka javascript) website that however is coded in such a pathetic way that it either eats all your resources for nothing, or even doesn't work at all when any miniscule detail of your webbrowser settings / environment is not exactly like what that devel expected it to be13:58 an excellent example13:58
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: practically nothing except multithreaded video re-encoding eats 100% CPU on a dual-socket 24-thread machine13:58
rikaneegiven, this build was overkill for a workstation, but nothing ever burns up a core anymore13:59
DocScrutinizer05sure, but I see bowser eating one of my 4 cores 100% every now and then13:59
DocScrutinizer05always JS13:59
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: which browser?14:00
rikaneeFirefox 21 on Arch, even websites with JS that make the tab hang doesn't make CPU use jump to more than 30% per core14:00
DocScrutinizer05and no matter if konqueror or FF, many of those JS sites tend to eat 1, 2, or 3 or 4 GIGAbytes of ram, after keeping window open for several days14:01
rikaneeRAM though, is another story14:01
DocScrutinizer05even does14:01
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DocScrutinizer05at least once a week I have to close all ganlia and icinga and mrtg windows/tabs to avoid my machine running out of RAM14:03
rikaneelargely a result of current JS engines caching byte code in RAM, IIRC.14:04
DocScrutinizer05not only bytecode, I blame image cache for refreshing graphics / pictures14:08
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amin007110Heh, the same exits on my i7 machine running ubuntu 12.04 and ff21 :) Closing ff to release 3gb out of 4gb total memory is inevitable, at least once in a week!14:11
DrCodejolla is n900 like?14:12
japa-fijolla does not have real keyboard14:16
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amin007110DocScrutinizer05, my wireless connecting problem has been resolved by reinstalling 'ipv6-support' and 'libicd-network-ipv6-scripts' using 'dpkg -i --force-all', because normal installations return and error each time.14:20
amin007110just for info14:20
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DocScrutinizer05amin007110: thanks14:23
DocScrutinizer05I thought as much, since all dmesg/syslog quotes always show a line like "no ipv6 accesspoints found"14:23
merlin1991arf no infobot14:24
merlin1991thanks sixwheeledbeast14:26
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: (infobot) seems Tim's DSL or server is down14:27
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DocScrutinizer05amin007110: oooh "router"? makes even more sense, this might refer to _local_ router, on system14:28
amin007110The line exactly is "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present".14:29
DocScrutinizer05gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP14:32
DocScrutinizer05gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP|grep ipv14:32
DocScrutinizer05only ipv4 for me14:32
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if ipv6 would mess up stuff there, or awake a sleeping bug14:33
amin007110here both ipv6 and ipv414:34
amin007110ipv6_autoconf = 114:34
DocScrutinizer05thought as much14:34
Drathirjapa-fi: rollback opera hear help a lot...14:36
amin007110 post 10 and 13 is related to my problem with a few differences in error messages :)14:37
Palifor ipv6 support there is package in extras-devel14:37
amin007110I see14:38
* Drathir using nightly browser mostly on pc...14:38
DocScrutinizer05oh yeah! Inst libicd-network-ipv6-scripts (0.2 Extras-devel:2.0/fremantle)  Inst ipv6-support (0.2 Extras-devel:2.0/fremantle)14:39
DocScrutinizer05extras-devel is notorious to eat your cat and your device14:39
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DocScrutinizer05golden rule: do installas from extras-devel UTTERLY CONSCIOUSLY, and EXPECT and SEARCH FOR problems after any such install or update14:41
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sixwheeledbeastEven if you don't have a cat, it will eat someones then cough it up in your hallway ;)15:03
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* Drathir dont want allow hurt the any cat... :p15:05
sixwheeledbeastnyancat :yum:15:06
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amin007110well, at least my cats are always hungry! hehe !15:07
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sixwheeledbeastit would appear has gone pirate lately :)15:09
Drathirmaybe someone else steal a cats meal?15:09
Drathirim jokeing ofc...15:10
amin007110yes, Neighbor's cat! lol15:10
DocScrutinizer05when your cats (plural!) are not defending their own food with claws and teeth - literally - then they are a) lazy  b) chicken  c) too fat  d) very unhappy for "being imprisoned", but anyway they are very unusual15:17
DocScrutinizer05usually they wouldn't allow neighbour's cat to join their dinner ;-)15:18
amin007110a & b15:21
kerioDocScrutinizer05: maybe *your* cats are just assholes who don't want to share :c15:25
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: or one possibilities have a surgery to dont have more cats, and then sometimes cats also dont try to catch bird i hear but dont know it is true...15:38
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: silly question, but how did you remove the 2nd pcb that is around the camera?15:41
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DocScrutinizer05low and gently16:17
DocScrutinizer05it's ds-sticky taped16:18
DocScrutinizer05so, you need not too cold temperatures (some 30°C are probably fine), and slowly pry it off16:18
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DocScrutinizer05apply gentle force and wait until it comes off, may take a minute or two before it noticeably starts moving16:19
DocScrutinizer05as soon as it starts moving, you reduce force significantly16:20
DocScrutinizer05when done carefully, you might even re-use the ds-sticky16:21
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DocScrutinizer05when it breaks or gets messed up (sticks to itself) then discard it completely and if you think you like that, replace with tesa doublesided transparent sticky tape stripes16:22
DocScrutinizer05it's not exactly mandatory in my book, probably mainly needed for ease of automatic assembly16:23
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sixwheeledbeastI was careful enough to be able to stick mine back again.18:42
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Marshall_Bananamerlin1991: please update with
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DrCodehi all21:09
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DrCodeI didn't got my n900 phone yet, but I want to know how can I install fresh and latest meamo21:10
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: you managed to pry off the uSD/flash board?21:12
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: yep, it turned out the glue was quite strong, but nothing in the way actually22:09
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Marshall_Bananamerlin1991: please update with
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: wtf?22:30
merlin1991Marshall_Banana: it should arrive there 'soonish'22:33
Marshall_Bananamerlin: Yeah, i just checked build dir in that moment :)22:34
Marshall_Bananamerlin1991: thx22:34
merlin1991actually I have no idea what updates the webpage, but the file is in the repo:
Marshall_BananaIs there any way i can become maintainer of that package?22:37
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merlin1991Marshall_Banana: did you try the request to be a maintainer link?22:51
Marshall_Bananamerlin1991: the page doesn't show the nick, maybe because i use the extras assistant to upload22:51
merlin1991Marshall_Banana: go to the page and log in22:51
merlin1991then you should see a "Request to be maintainer of this package" where the maintainer is missing22:52
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Marshall_Bananamerlin1991: you were right, i wasn't logged in :s22:55
merlin1991and I approved you :)22:56
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wndis this considered normal?  (right after full reflash and installation of cssu)23:26
wndthinking about it, I've seen this before, but back then I didn't think much about it...23:26
wndfunny thing is, that only appears with Settings, it blurs when I open an application menu and it transforms when I switch to task manager (or whatever that view with application thumbnails is called)23:28
wndah, it also appears with ham23:29
wnderm, lets just say it appears with all applications23:30
wndbut only in ~title bar23:30
wndregardless of screen orientation23:30
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keriohappens to me sometimes, not as badly23:31
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keriographical bug23:31
sardiniidem, restart wnd23:31
sardiniwnd, restart23:32
wndwill restart at some point anyway, I've got tons of stuff to reinstall and restore23:32
wndis thumb version of cssu worth trying?23:33
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keriooh hell yes23:33
keriomicrob feels amazing23:33
merlin1991wnd: yep this is "normal" it is the graphics core not initalizing properly which happens once upon a time23:35
merlin1991reboot and never think about it again is the only advice I have :D23:35
kerioi've noticed that it happens a lot less if you let it boot completely before hammering on it23:35
keriosome weird race condition in the graphics core?23:36
wndsounds believable23:36
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