IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-06-28

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jimrjanyone here who could tips be about N770 working repos? ;)00:01
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freemangordon_jester_: well, usually we do our best to not screw the "users". unfortunately this time it took about 6 months between updates, with all the fuss about migration, repo issues, uncertainity with maemo, etc00:06
freemangordonbut yeah, we screw it up this time00:06
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Mr_Stupidi didn't notice any screw up, what happened?00:07
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freemangordonMr_Stupid: bootloop if you have SD card and stock kernel00:08
Mr_Stupidwho has still stock kernel?00:09
_jester_freemangordon: im guessing the normal users would have left their n900s a year back and all that would be left are linux geeks who are wishing for a newer maemo device00:09
freemangordonMr_Stupid: lots of people I guess00:09
freemangordon_jester_: wrong00:10
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freemangordonI know at least 3 people which are not linux geeks and love their n90000:10
freemangordonoops, 400:10
_jester_thats encouraging00:10
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freemangordon_jester_: for how long you have your device?00:11
_jester_3 days00:11
Mr_StupidI met two other people so far that had a N900 :)00:11
freemangordonMr_Stupid: had?00:11
DocScrutinizer05jimrj: what's the problem with n770 repos? don't we support them?00:11
freemangordon_jester_: lets continue in 2 weeks ;)00:11
Mr_StupidYes, on had usb socket problem. This guy has now android00:12
freemangordon_jester_: once you're spoiled, you'll see why :p00:12
Mr_StupidOther guy has android phone too, but i don't know why00:12
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Maceris there a better nav app than ovi?00:13
* DocScrutinizer05 scratches head and wonders if doesn't ship N770 repos anymore00:13
Macerovi maps is godawful00:13
_jester_freemangordon: but i bought it specifically cause its linux and its portable, im not a huge fan of smart phones. so far, ive got the cssu-stable, the power kernel, the updated fc-cam drivers, aircrack and openvpn00:13
Maceri vaguely remember there being a better one.. too bad there isn't nokia drive for maemo :-/00:13
freemangordonMacer: I am using MobileMaps 1000:13
Macerfreemangordon: is it free?00:14
freemangordonMacer: there was/is a torrent with hacked version that supports latest android maps00:14
freemangordonMacer: no00:14
Maceron an n900?00:14
freemangordonit was about 100 EUR ;), but you can;t buy it anymore00:14
freemangordonMacer: yep, on n90000:15
Macerhm. i'll see if i can find it00:15
freemangordonMacer: google for mm10 maemo, iirc PB had the torrent00:15
Macerbut wasn't there an open one?00:15
freemangordonMacePi_: there is00:15
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Macerthat may be the one00:16
Maceri forget its name00:16
freemangordonoops, Macer that is00:16
freemangordoncould be00:16
Mr_Stupidbut i use modrana00:16
freemangordonmm10 is just fine with updated maps00:17
freemangordonnever used modrana so can;t comment00:17
DocScrutinizer05there's marble, modrana, and I think a third open one00:17
freemangordonafaik modrana is the only one which is still updated00:18
freemangordoncould be wrong as well00:18
DocScrutinizer05nah, marble devs are eager to push a new version00:18
freemangordonooh, but repos are fscked up :P00:19
freemangordonI see00:19
DocScrutinizer05but I seem to fail on enabling upload permissions for the guy00:19
freemangordonwell, it is modrana after all ;)
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DocScrutinizer05Bernhard Beschow ?00:21
freemangordonis that MartinK's name?00:22
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_jester_freemangordon: would programs compiled for maemo4 give me issues if i install them on the cssu-stable ?00:25
freemangordon_jester_: if they are compiled with -mthumb, then yes00:25
_jester_i guess theres only one way to find out if they are ... im going in00:26
DocScrutinizer05wow, an hour ago somebody been really busy with repo00:26
freemangordon_jester_: I remember Pali trying to run some plugin from Maemo4, getting sigills as it was thumb-compiled00:27
DocScrutinizer05I guess maemo4 apps will usually not work great on maemo500:27
freemangordon_jester_: if you are brave, install CSSU-thumb00:28
merlin1991busy with repo?00:28
DocScrutinizer05check ganglia ;-D00:28
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: why is that (maemo4 apps)00:28
freemangordonaren't those GTK ones?00:29
DocScrutinizer05maybe because of hildon desktop and windows working slightly different?00:29
_jester_freemangordon: well there are loads more packages in the under the freemantle category than in the repo i have on my device, its just tempting00:29
DocScrutinizer05maybe because the layout and decoration is pretty different on maemo400:29
freemangordon_jester_: hmm? rephrase please00:29
DocScrutinizer05maybe just because maemo4 devices have a menu button00:30
_jester_freemangordon: it has abiword, the word processor. thats not showing up in my application installer(s)00:30
_jester_i have three of those00:31
freemangordon_jester_: thats weird, ther is abiword for fremantle(unstable but still). or I am misreading.00:31
DocScrutinizer05_jester_: what IS your device?00:31
freemangordonoh, wait00:32
freemangordonCSSU-stable ;)00:32
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: ^^^00:32
_jester_DocScrutinizer05: its a nokia n90000:32
DocScrutinizer05so you ARE on maemo500:32
DocScrutinizer05aka fremantle00:32
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: he said he has installed CSSU-S00:32
DocScrutinizer05so whatß00:32
freemangordon<DocScrutinizer05> _jester_: what IS your device?00:33
_jester_with cssu-stable and kernel-power00:33
freemangordonhe can't install it on anything else00:33
_jester_so i need to be on the cssu-testing for the repos to open their bounty for me ?00:34
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: you're wrong, there's a cssu for diablo as well00:34
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: is it called CSSU-Stable?00:34
freemangordon_jester_: no00:34
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: afaik it is called just "CSSU"00:34
DocScrutinizer05I honestly don't care00:34
DocScrutinizer05I won't assume when I'm confronted with >>well there are loads more packages in the under the freemantle category than in the repo i have on my device, its just tempting<<00:35
Macerso it's called modrana?00:35
_jester_freemangordon: so essentially, i either have to put in the development repos in the source.list00:35
DocScrutinizer05maybe I should've asked "what repo DO you have on your device then?"00:36
DocScrutinizer05_jester_: you don't have to do any of that00:36
DocScrutinizer05you should have an extras-repo enabled in your HAM catalog list00:36
DocScrutinizer05and if you feel venturous, you should enale extras-devel for a short while, install one or two apps you're interested in, and immediately disable extras-devel again00:37
_jester_DocScrutinizer05: I couldnt actually fidn the HAM application and it did not install automatically with the cssu update00:38
infobotsomebody said ham was Hildon Application Manager.  Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does00:38
_jester_DocScrutinizer05: the application manager that is there by default ?00:39
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freemangordon_jester_: yes00:39
freemangordon_jester_: you only need maemo-extras repo for stable applications00:40
freemangordonand that should be enabled by default00:40
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: doc, wait, it is fremantle-1.3 :(00:40
_jester_alright, id give it a go, and enable the the more adventurous repos on it too, thanks guys00:40
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DocScrutinizer05_jester_: you shouldn't approach maemo like an experienced linux user. You'd easily assume stuff that's not applicable for maemo00:40
freemangordon_jester_: give it some time00:40
freemangordondon't enable extras-tesing and extras-devel00:41
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: :nod:00:41
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DocScrutinizer05_jester_: e.g youz usually should be vary to use apt-get install00:42
DocScrutinizer05and *never* use apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade00:42
_jester_DocScrutinizer05: so community ssu is enabled, testing, devel and thumb are not00:42
DocScrutinizer05likewise you shouldn't edit apt's catalog lists manually00:42
_jester_DocScrutinizer05: id keep that tip in my head, but thats what ive been doing for the past 3 days00:43
DocScrutinizer05that's pretty fine. It been another fuckup in CSSU to even include those repos to the list, though disabled00:43
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DocScrutinizer05you did what since 3 days?00:44
jimrjDocScrutinizer05: download extras repo, but n770 doesnt seem to get updates... just need to install dependencies for openntpd and so on... get HTTP Error 302 - Moved temporarily00:44
_jester_DocScrutinizer05: but i could probably install the development environment (gcc, make, autoconf) on the device and compile some things directly from source, right ?00:45
_jester_DocScrutinizer05: 3 days = apt-get, and vi and dpkg00:45
DocScrutinizer05pretty good chances to mess up your system fubar00:45
DocScrutinizer05(install gcc...) won't work00:46
DocScrutinizer05you don't have enough storage in rootfs00:46
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DocScrutinizer05those few maddogs who do compile on N900 usually use a chroot for that00:48
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DocScrutinizer05easydeb is popular I heard00:48
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_jester_DocScrutinizer05: how about a seperate development environment on an sd card i could chroot to ?00:48
DocScrutinizer05:-D ^^^00:48
_jester_i suppose id be one f those mad dogs then00:49
_jester_and im glad my system is running quite smoothly, no hiccups or random jerks even00:49
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DocScrutinizer05YAY, we almost have 10 users who publicly announced they just voted :-)00:50
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DocScrutinizer05_jester_: I'd almost say that's normal00:51
DocScrutinizer05I'd be rather pissed when I would experience hiccups or jerks on my device00:52
_jester_DocScrutinizer05: well only considering how you said playing around like it was a normal linux system would mess it up, im just glad i didnt00:53
DocScrutinizer05you might notice later on00:53
DocScrutinizer05when catalogs you edited in magically vanish when you start HAM next time00:54
DocScrutinizer05or when apt or HAM complain about unmet dependencies or conflicts00:54
_jester_DocScrutinizer05: out of curiosity, the device (nokia n900) does have an IR reciever so it could be controlled by an external remote, right ?00:55
* Macer wonders why his txting isn't working after his update00:55
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_jester_thats sad, would have been fun with the fm transmitter in the car n all00:55
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Macerthat was odd00:56
DocScrutinizer05ooh, you want to IR-control the mediaplayer?00:56
_jester_DocScrutinizer05: yup00:57
_jester_or other things too00:57
Macerwth i updated and now my txts keep pending00:59
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Macerok. seriously. txting is broken now :-/01:01
Macerlike it isn't showing any of the conversations01:02
Macerargh. is there a way to go back? can i just remove teh cssu update and roll back?01:03
Macersomething broke telepathy01:03
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DocScrutinizer05Macer: hardly cssu01:05
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MacerDocScrutinizer05: uhm. then what can it be? i updated. and now it doesn't work.01:06
Macerseems to be a pretty clear cut relationship heh01:06
Macertelepathy/conversations is totally screwed01:08
Macerof all the silly ass things to break01:10
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Maceris there some sort of config i can remove and allow to reinitialize in order to get it owrking again?01:10
Macerblah. let me go back to my damn e701:12
Macercan't really use the device without the txting01:13
MacerDocScrutinizer05: i was txting all day on it... updated... now telepathy/convsations is totally broken01:13
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Macere7 works fine for txting ... so it isn't a sim problem.01:18
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Woody14619Ok, silly question:  How do I type a pipe (|) in backumenu's terminal?  Anyone know? ( robbiethe1st ?)06:04
Woody14619:) Not a good sign to stump the writer. ;)06:05
robbiethe1stIt's not in that documentation screen just before the terminal?06:06
Woody14619Am trying to recover and want to copy data over.  Best way I know is:   tar -cf - . | tar -C /target/ -xf -06:06
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Woody14619no... talks about tab, < >  and escape... no pipe. :P06:07
robbiethe1stUm, there may not be a way06:07
robbiethe1stit may not be in the alternate keyboard layout I had06:08
robbiethe1stit's changable, though... google for how to modify the keyboard layout on the N900..06:08
robbiethe1stI forget exactly06:08
Woody14619ah.. hmm.. keyboard layout change. :)  Awesome.  Thanks!06:09
robbiethe1stso, wait, why are you making a tarball, piping, and then restoring?06:09
robbiethe1stWhy not just use cp or rsync?06:09
robbiethe1stalso, shouldn't bm take care of backup/restore?06:10
Woody14619cp is somewhat broken afaik in busybox.06:10
Woody14619Yes, but this isn't a regualar restore...06:10
Woody14619System at itself rather nastily...06:10
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Woody14619So trying to just recover what few things I need to get basic db back (sms, etc) vs a full restore...06:11
robbiethe1stWhat I'd probably do is run BM's backup function, for the rootfs at least, then use USB mode, connect to a Linux PC, and go create a new root/optfs06:11
robbiethe1st...Or, restore those files from within Maemo06:11
robbiethe1stI've done that before as well -- the only files you have to restore from outside Maemo are OS-critical ones06:12
Woody14619Was hoping to do it outside maemo, since it's never nice about replacing userdb :P  But true... may be fine to do and then do a quick reboot06:12
robbiethe1stone option is to make a backup of your current system, open that backup on a Linux PC(usb mass storage mode)06:13
Woody14619I'm just happy I was able to pull most of /opt off the old device. The rootfs ate itself. :P06:13
Woody14619And would not recover.... so.. trying to recover what I can to the second device :P06:14
robbiethe1stThat's odd06:14
robbiethe1stOn my device, optfs tends to eat itself on a regular basis06:14
robbiethe1stnever had an issue with the rootfs06:14
Woody14619Pretty sure it's a bad flash block.  Will try a re-flash on the old device once I know I got what I care about off it. :)06:15
Woody14619But really, not too trusting of it now...06:15
Woody14619The old one also took to rebooting randomly about 2 weeks ago... so...  Now my backup becomes primary, and old one becomes test device. :P06:18
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robbiethe1stwhen you do a proper reflash, it should work around bad blocks06:19
Woody14619Anyway, thanks for the help. :)  And for the program that let me save what data was on there...06:19
robbiethe1stYeah, NP06:19
robbiethe1stit's been like two years since I've been working on it, though06:19
robbiethe1stsince I got a job06:19
Woody14619Yeah, should... but never know if it will re-assign those out again later, so. :P06:20
robbiethe1stI mean, it has a bad-block table06:20
robbiethe1stbuilt into the file system design06:20
robbiethe1stit should do wear-levelling as well06:20
Woody14619That's assuming it's flagging it as a bad block.  If it did, then a fsck should have recovered it.06:21
Woody14619would copy bad->good, and fsck could fix it... in theory.  I guess rootfs is a little less recovery prone, being ubfs?06:21
robbiethe1stI think/hope06:22
robbiethe1stEXT2, on the other hand, isn't that resilliant06:22
robbiethe1stespecially when OCing; there's supposed to be some corruption glitch somewhere, and OCing compounds it06:23
Woody14619Yeah... Which is why I usually don't OC.  Had a nice QBW to kick it on when needed, but rarely did.06:23
Woody14619esp once thumb came out... wish they made it with 512M... would have made lots things a non-issue06:25
Woody14619anyway, off to re-setup. :P  thanks again!06:27
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ashleyany idea why DrNokSnes would erroneously claim that saving the state of a game "Failed" when in fact it did generate a fully functional save file in the location I specified?11:18
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ApicA wonderful splendid Prickle-Prickle Morning to You all.12:11
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DocScrutinizer05a question to the system hackers: how would I detect data traffic on a network interface?12:23
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Lava_Crofti have no clue12:33
DocScrutinizer05hmm, I resp my manpages don't know about dstat and vnstat12:36
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DocScrutinizer05does anybody know of a kde or whatever systray applet that shows "leds" flashing up for not only disk access but also network traffic?12:38
DocScrutinizer05hmmm, I guess *some* sysnode or procnode should create *some* sort of even you could wait for, when a single byte of data gets transmitted via that NIC12:41
DocScrutinizer05dstat sounds awesome12:44
DocScrutinizer05but it's probably not exactly what I'm looking for12:44
DocScrutinizer05aiui it polls certain statistic *nodes on a regular time pace to gather statistics in time domain12:45
DocScrutinizer05while I'm looking for a sort of IRQ that happens whenever there is activity on the device12:46
DocScrutinizer05kinda like udev-monitor or inotify12:48
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DocScrutinizer05or like epoll(4) but not on my own socket12:52
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DocScrutinizer05SIGIO would be great, but again I can't see how that would work for arbitrary "foreign" processes' sockets12:59
DocScrutinizer05ummmm, wireshart comes to mind13:00
DocScrutinizer05shark even13:00
DocScrutinizer05tcpdump, sth along that line13:00
DocScrutinizer05seems tcpdump knows how to do what I want getting done: wait until sth happens on a network interface13:01
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spad35hey guys13:03
spad35i'm from kiwiirc13:04
spad35i mean i'm logged into from it13:04
spad35can anyone please tell me can find my machine's public IP by doing whois on me13:04
spad35i just wnat to know if my ip iis visible to everyone or not13:04
DocScrutinizer05spad35: your IP is never visible on IRC13:07
DocScrutinizer05spad35: your hostname however is13:07
DocScrutinizer05[Whois] spad35 is 73ba408d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ ([] spad35)13:08
spad35thank doc, i'll ask few more questions13:09
spad35sorry its kind of off-topic13:09
spad35whats the difference when you say hostname vs ip13:09
DocScrutinizer05IP is your true IP, hostname is whatever your IRC client and the IRC server you connect to make of it13:10
spad35cuz you just told me my ip, its written there
DocScrutinizer05e.g you could have a cloak and then it would look like:13:10
spad35oh ok, got it13:10
DocScrutinizer05[Whois] DocScrutinizer05 is ~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg (joerg)13:10
spad35ok i'm on irc.dal.net13:11
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spad35there my hostname seems to be pretty different13:11
spad35lemme show you13:12
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spad35spadespade [spade!] * [] spad3513:12
spad35can my machine's ip be found through this information ?13:12
DocScrutinizer05if your irc client supports proper DNS and the DNS is actually true (via rDNS lookup) then the hostname would look like that: [Whois] infobot is (TimRiker's infobot)13:13
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DocScrutinizer05obviously your gateway includes true IP into the made-up hostname: gateway/web/cgi-irc/
DocScrutinizer05so I guess your machine's IP is either   or
DocScrutinizer05that's however just guessing, nobody except the IRC server you're connected to ( *knows* your IP for sure13:16
spad35hmm13:17 exposes proper IPs13:17
spad35but now that I'm logged in from this web client kiwiirc13:17
spad35spadespade [spade!] * [] spad3513:17
DocScrutinizer05if you're worried about your IP getting exposed, I suggest you /join #freenode, and ask for a unafilliated/<user> cloak13:17
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spad35is all that is displayed13:17
DocScrutinizer05for that you first need to register to your nickserv account13:18
DocScrutinizer05[Notice] -NickServ- spad35 is not registered.13:18
DocScrutinizer05 /msg nickserv help register13:18
spad35but the protection I will get will be useable on freenode servers only, or will that hide my ip on other irc servers as well, like i only use other then freenode13:19
DocScrutinizer05that's only on frenode13:19
DocScrutinizer05another security means would be to use tor/onion13:20
spad35do you know of any non-paid way through which I could protect myself, some nuker is after me on dalnet, and its the first time I'm trying to understand all this stuff about IPs and cloaks/bnc and what not13:20
DocScrutinizer05freenode explicitly supports and invites tor usage13:20
DocScrutinizer05~wiki tor13:20
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{wiktionary|tor|Tor|TOR}} 'Tor' may refer to: * Tor (rock formation) * Tor (anonymity network), an Internet communication method intended to enable online anonymity * "Tor" (genus), a group of fishes * Tor missile system, an anti-aircraft weapon * Tor rifle, another name for the WKW Wilk anti-materiel / sniper rifle * Tor functor, a left derived functor of a tensor product, used in the ...13:20
DocScrutinizer05~wiki Tor (anonymity network)13:21
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Use dmy dates|date=November 2012}} {{pp-move-indef}} {{Infobox software | name = Tor | title = | logo = | logo caption = | screenshot = | caption = | collapsible = | author = | developer = The Tor Project | released = {{Start date|2002|9|20|df=yes}}{{cite mailing list | last = Dingledine | first = Roger | title = pre-alpha: run an onion proxy now! | mailinglist = ...13:21
DocScrutinizer05oh how helpful13:21
spad35ok i'll look into this tor thing13:21
DocScrutinizer05have a look into tor13:21
spad35i'm hoping that I can get some way to use it for me without paying anyone anything13:22
DocScrutinizer05tor is for free13:22
spad35thats what my umtimate goal is, hiding my ip without paying for it cuz i cant pay13:22
DocScrutinizer05paying for tor would defeat its purpose big time13:22
spad35ok cool, i may bug you again13:22
spad35you still using n900 DocScrutinizer05?13:23
* DocScrutinizer05 just ponders if his last statement is correct. Pay arbitrary amount of money to a dedicated bank account, with a GUID as subject text on the money transfer, then log in to TOR using that GUID13:24
DocScrutinizer05spad35: sure13:24
DocScrutinizer05anyway, TOR is free of charge13:24
DocScrutinizer05and made to exactly hide the IP of your machine13:25
spad35someone let me borrow their galaxy s4 for a week13:25
DocScrutinizer05so not even the agencies are supposed to be able to trace you and your location down13:25
spad35i loved the bells and whistles, but ti didnt come close to convincing me to spend $600 on it when i alreayd have n90013:25
DocScrutinizer05downside of tor: slow like dogshit13:25
DocScrutinizer05but for IRC it's just fast enough13:26
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spad35well it should work propr just for text chat no13:26
spad35mmy connections lag me anyway, i'm used to it13:26
spad35yea, thats good,, irc text chat, not much data anyway13:26
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kerioit's a damn shame freenode doesn't support SASL EXTERNAL :(13:34
DocScrutinizer05spad35: ^^^13:35
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kerioi'm still using a cert, but i also have to give them my password13:36
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DocScrutinizer05but honestly, a cloak sounds way simpler and completely sufficient to counteract any stalkers you suffer from. Just make sure you log in to freenode using proper server password, so you don't show up temporarily with your uncloaked servername (actually hostmask is the technically correct term iirc) before your clinet registers to nickserv and thus your cloak gets applied13:53
DocScrutinizer05s/clinet/irc client/13:54
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: but honestly, a cloak sounds way simpler and completely sufficient to counteract any stalkers you suffer from. Just make sure you log in to freenode using proper server password, so you don't show up temporarily with your uncloaked servername (actually ho...13:54
DocScrutinizer05now THAT is also rather nonsensical, infobot13:54
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infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: 10xxxxxxxx20xxxxxxxx30xxxxxxxx40xxxxxxxx50xxxxxxxx60xxxxxxxx70xxxxxxxx80xxxxxxxx90xxxxxxxx13:57
DocScrutinizer05felt silly13:58
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Lava_CroftLike Macer reported last night, there seems to be some kind of problem concerning conversations14:04
Lava_Croftsince the latest update (i guess) it randomly closes due to some internal error14:04
Lava_Crofteven when theres no conversation open14:04
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DocScrutinizer05is that a topic for #maemo-ssu?14:07
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spad3got nuked again14:07
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spad3dos attack14:08
spad3frmo dalnet14:08
spad3that nuker guy is after me14:08
DocScrutinizer05what does it look like?14:09
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DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: I gather your report was about CSSU?14:18
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DocScrutinizer05if so then please read /topic and accordingly join maemo-ssu channel to discuss the issue there14:19
DocScrutinizer05LAST ORDER! BoD elections closing in ~12h. VOTE if you didn't yet!14:23
Lava_Crofti dont see the need to join #maemo-ssu in order to talk to the same folks as over here14:23
Lava_Crofti reported it, all fine by me14:24
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SAiFI dont know anyone, so ho wwould  vote?14:32
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spade35DocScrutinizer05, i was telling you about nuke14:48
spade35they call it nuke, when they use hacked machines to send a lot of traffic to your ip14:49
spade35forming a dos attack14:49
spade35as soon as they throw it on my ip, my net jams, nothing works, no browsing and I have to unplug my usb modem (which is providing me the net)14:49
spade35and attach it back and that issues me a new ip so I can start browsing14:50
spade35when he knows my ip again (if I join dalnet irc sesrver and I'm on the channel which he knows I will be in)14:50
spade35he nukes me again, which causes my net to stop working again14:50
spade35so thats the story and i' mlooking at how to make tor work for me so i can hide my ip and he cannot nuke my net connection14:51
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DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: thanks for reporting! but I almost can promise to you that it will go unnoticed14:51
DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: if you feel better by having reported it ("..., all fine by me") then ok14:52
Lava_Croftim not into rules because of rules14:53
DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: if your intention is to help make CSSU improve, then I suggest you consider more effective ways to do so14:53
DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: and I'm NOT talking about any rules here, not at all14:54
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DocScrutinizer05I'm talking about common sense to not complain about the dinner at the car parking boy14:54
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DocScrutinizer05if you want your complaints about the dinner to have any effect, you want to make sure they finally arrive at the cook in the kitchen14:55
DocScrutinizer05spade35: I suggest avoiding that irc network14:57
DocScrutinizer05or ask for support from the guys that run this IRC network14:57
spade35i made many nice friends there14:57
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spade35so i just feel a need to go there again and again14:58
spade35i'm about to contact the irccops there14:58
spade35but i'm also exploring Tor as you suggested14:58
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DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: some of our devels have 10 or 20 or more channels open in their IRC clients, and they for sure don't scan every single one of those channels for topics relevant to them on a 24/7 basis15:03
DocScrutinizer05#maemo-ssu is existing for a certain purpose: everything posted there attracts immediate and full attention of the cssu devels15:05
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DocScrutinizer05(or something rather close to this, anyway)15:05
DocScrutinizer05that's the rationale behind suggesting to take CSSU bug reports to that channel, and also the rationale why any OT chat in that channel is despised15:06
DocScrutinizer05while here in this channel you have a potpourri of topics loosely related to maemo at large15:07
DocScrutinizer05or not at all15:07
fw190Well Doc has a point here15:09
spade35he always has a point15:11
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Lava_Crofthe completely has a point, but that wont beat my laziness!15:13
DocScrutinizer05well, I tried to help out on your laziness as much as I been able to, by c&p your 3 lines of post to #maemo-ssu15:14
Lava_CroftI know that being spineless would pay15:14
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Lava_CroftThanks ! :)15:15
DocScrutinizer05however I'm sure devels would like to pick up on any such report when they had an option to ask for further details15:15
Lava_Croftim always here15:15
Lava_Croftat least in name15:15
DocScrutinizer05devels usually don't switch channels to ask original poster about details15:15
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spade35time to reboot15:16
DocScrutinizer05particularly not when they had to do so to cope with laziness of OP15:16
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DocScrutinizer05there's generally a strong sentiment about lazy bug reporters15:17
Lava_Croftbeats not bug report at all15:17
* DocScrutinizer05 shrugs and mentions that this kind of bug report 100% sure won't trip the investigation-triggering threshold15:18
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-28 13:51:26] <DocScrutinizer05> Lava_Croft: thanks for reporting! but I almost can promise to you that it will go unnoticed15:19
DocScrutinizer05I'm not telling this to bash anybody, I just know a bit about what has been touched by latest CSSU and that devels will shrug it away as "CND"15:20
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DocScrutinizer05so unless somebody is offering active help on investigating the nature of the problem on a device where the problem actually exists, no devel will bother to have further look at it15:21
DocScrutinizer05tag as "invalid", shrug, next issue please15:22
DocScrutinizer05there's no CSSU patch that's touching conversations, afaik15:23
DocScrutinizer05so devels will tend to reject any lazy fuzzy bug report that doesn't yield any handle to further investigate on the issue15:24
DocScrutinizer05--> waste of everybody's time15:25
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DocScrutinizer05and actually a negative motivation to the CSSU devels since another time there's been a shoot&run report attributing a random flaw to CSSU while not offering any help to either fix it or investigate on the true culprit so that CSSU is clearly not tainted as responsible for it. While devels are convinced it can't be related to CSSU15:38
DocScrutinizer05it's kinda like you're giving bread to the starving and then folks start to spread the rumour that it's poisoned15:41
Lava_CroftSince CSSU is just about the only software recieving updates, its perfectly normal for people to guess that  new 'bugs' are related to the CSSU15:41
Lava_Croftand i never stated its a CSSU problem, i merely guessed it's probably cssu15:42
DocScrutinizer05which makes it worse, since it *sounds* plausible15:42
DocScrutinizer05while those who think it's plausible don't realize that each update also does a massive write of data to filesystem and whatnot else15:42
DocScrutinizer05and after all you probably will attribute just every randomly happening flaw to the last thing you consciously did on the device15:43
DocScrutinizer05which happens to be the CSSU update15:43
Lava_Crofthey, its your job to assume15:43
Lava_Croftnot mine15:43
DocScrutinizer05no, to make it utterly clear my job is Electronic Engineer15:44
Lava_Croftyou can of course covertly try to ridicule me15:44
Lava_Croftbut that hardly does any good for your otherwise good arguments15:44
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Lava_Croftill just leave you and your monologue to be15:45
Lava_Croftmonologues are known to fix stuff15:45
Lava_Crofthave fun!15:45
DocScrutinizer05and I'm now fed up with you rejecting any responsibility for your "bug report" while otoh demanding that we deal with it despite it's lacking *any* useful info we couls start on15:45
Lava_Croftat first it wasnt a 'bug report'15:45
Lava_Croftbut a followup to a problem someone else reported here last night, after i also reported it before that15:46
DocScrutinizer05whatever it was, it exposed an annoying attitude on your side15:46
Lava_Croftyeah, your attitude is something to write home about15:46
Lava_Croftreally now15:46
Lava_Croftalso, i dont think ive demanded anyone to deal with it?15:47
Lava_Croftyou just mangle my words and turn it into something much bigger than it is15:47
Lava_Croftprobably because you are already filled with rage and anger over others things related to this15:47
DocScrutinizer05then you won't mind when I'm just ignoring any further rant and silly comment from your side15:47
Lava_Croftand i happen to the be one that gets your bucket of shit poured over his head15:47
Lava_Croftyou just spent 15 minutes ranting, geez15:48
Lava_Croftits great how people like you start to rant, turn the rant into covert insults and then when they get served a reply they go into the 'im ignoring you' mode15:50
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DocScrutinizer05oh, pont me to any insult please15:52
DocScrutinizer05point even15:52
Lava_Croftif you need me to point out your own attempts, i guess its just no use15:53
Lava_Croftgood luck with it15:53
DocScrutinizer05I just tried to explain to you why a) your 3 lines post won't trigger any bug fix action, and b) it's probably detrimental to CSSU devels' motivation15:53
Lava_Croftin 15 minutes of ranting15:53
Lava_Croftwhich basically ended in saying that im probably a dumb user that attributes any problem to the last action he did on his n90015:54
DocScrutinizer05indeed wasted too much time on you15:54
Lava_Croftso its all fine by me15:54
Lava_Croftyeah, see15:54
Lava_Croftget served a reply you dont have another witty answer for ready, and its either 'i ignore you', 'i waste too much time on you' or whatever15:54
Lava_CroftReally, have fun with it15:54
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DocScrutinizer05while you have fun with your "you're insulting me! I won't give a hint where you did since obviously you're too dull to get it. Ah now you're turning to real insults" scheme15:57
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DocScrutinizer05again it's NOT "my job" to entertain you or handle your rants and forward them15:59
DocScrutinizer05and don't you think a statement of "I'm too lazy to help make maemo better" is worth a 15 min educational effort?16:00
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DocScrutinizer05obviously futile though16:01
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DocScrutinizer05btw the "you" in my >><DocScrutinizer05> and after all you probably will attribute just every randomly happening flaw to the last thing you consciously did on the device<< was not at any particular individual but a general observation how users experience and perceive things16:17
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DocScrutinizer05sorry when you related it to your own person16:18
DocScrutinizer05I could as well have used "they" if that would make any sense in English16:18
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DocScrutinizer05I could've used "I" if that wasn't even more ambiguous and misleading16:19
DocScrutinizer05while the statement itself been not implying any criticism, it's a normal way of how human perception works16:21
DocScrutinizer05but meh, probably already futile16:21
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DocScrutinizer05(statement) ...and for sure the statement as is did NOT imply any "dumb user" allegation neither lierally nor implied. So if that >>...saying that im probably a dumb user...<< is what you *want* to make out of my words, then probably you intentionally decided to feel insulted, no matter what it takes16:36
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DocScrutinizer05my intention never been to insult you, but rather convince you to help make maemo and CSSU better. I had the options a) ignore b) reject with "'probably invalid', or `needs info'" c) elaborate in why we need your help rather than your 3 line blame&run "bug report". I opted for "c)" very consciously, it seems it didn't pan out. Next time I'll use this experience to make a better decision how to react16:41
DocScrutinizer05note to self: regex:"I.*lazy.*"->ignorelist16:44
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, rellaxxxxx17:17
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: I'm totally relaxed :-) I utterly consciously decided to not get upset and try my very best to explain in loving verbosity why such a post and attitude of "I'm too lazy" is not exactly helpful. Alas I failed on the purpose of this monologue, but at least I stayed relaxed all the time which I count as a success story in itself, since I'm well aware of my usual temperament17:20
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vi__DocScrutinizer05: It is Friday.  Have a beer.17:24
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vi__Lava_Croft: It is Friday.  Have a beer.17:24
* vi__ *psssssst* hands out friday IRC beers.17:24
SAiFstayed relaxed alltime??? I doubt it.  ;)17:25
GeneralAntillesUsually, "I'm too lazy" is code for, "I have no motivation whatsoever to do anything positive about this, I just want to do some cathartic botching to vent my spleen and maybe somebody will give me a solution."17:25
GeneralAntillesWhich generally makes simple statements of comiseration or just ignoring it the best approach.17:25
GeneralAntillesTurning that into productive energy is a difficult task.17:26
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: I noticed that :-D17:28
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GeneralAntillesYou can also approach it by just pointing them at the spot they can pursue assisting a fix and leave it at that.17:29
GeneralAntilles"I'm not familiar with this issue, but you can file a bug at x."17:29
GeneralAntillesand move on.17:29
GeneralAntillesAnyway, blah blah blah.17:29
GeneralAntillesHow's the weather?17:29
DocScrutinizer05that's basically option b) as of above. Next time17:30
DocScrutinizer05or a mix between a) and b)17:30
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DocScrutinizer05weather fine here, and I'm busy for a job interview in 60min17:31
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DocScrutinizer05dunno details, sth about automotive - as usual I almost like to say17:36
DocScrutinizer05WOW now THATS strange! I got a RECOVERY mail dated 16:33, and 5 min *later* I got a >>PROBLEM Service Alert: is CRITICAL<< mail, dated 16:2817:42
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GeneralAntillesNeed to get in with GENIVI17:43
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freemangordon Lava_Croft: could you point me to the initial report re "Internal error. Application 'conversations' closed"18:31
freemangordonLava_Croft: on #maemo-ssu please18:31
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freemangordonMacer: ping18:42
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: please try and move it to #maemo-ssu, if only for chanlog's sake18:45
DocScrutinizer05once macer answers18:46
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: will do18:46
freemangordonunfortunately i'll run in an hour or so18:46
DocScrutinizer05I should've run an hour ago :-S18:47
DocScrutinizer05since this here doesn't buy me bagels18:47
freemangordonrun then :)18:48
DocScrutinizer05automotive... hmmm18:48
freemangordonsounds intreresting18:48
DocScrutinizer05nah, usually it's a PITA18:48
DocScrutinizer05been there, done that, that's why they asked me to do it again18:49
freemangordonembeded controllers?18:49
freemangordonwell, sound way better than UI, I am sure vi'll agree :D18:49
DocScrutinizer05but usually you're doomed to use all that crap from redmond18:50
DocScrutinizer05while just yesterday I got rif of my lumia18:50
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: wait, why redmond on embeded?18:51
DocScrutinizer05rid even18:51
DocScrutinizer05not on embedded, but all the tools18:51
freemangordonweird, BMW diagnostic tools are on SCO18:51
DocScrutinizer05that's a nice exception to the general rule18:52
freemangordonor at least they were 2-3 years ago18:52
freemangordonwith diagnostic head running on winCE18:52
DocScrutinizer05anyway *wave*18:53
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freemangordonMacer: did you fix your "conversations app" problem?19:16
Macerdon't know19:16
Maceri swapped to the e7 for the time being19:16
Macerbut no19:16
Macernot before i swapped. rebooting etc didn't fix it and i don't know exactly what to look for that would cause it19:17
freemangordonMacer: do I get it correctly that you're not interested in helping finding what the problem is and whether it is CSSU related?19:17
Macerfreemangordon: well... all day yesterday i was txting. then updated.. then it is broken :)19:18
GeneralAntillesZogG_laptop, with tweets like that. :P19:18
Maceri mean i'm not a CS major but i am sure that is a pretty clear relationship to something being changed19:18
freemangordonMacer: I am not arguing if it is related to CSSU or not ;)19:18
Macerwell.. let me put my sim back in19:19
Macerone sec...19:19
freemangordonMacer: why do you need the sim in?19:19
freemangordondon;t you have wireless?19:19
Macerto txt :-P19:20
freemangordonMacer: is that SMS?19:20
Macersms doesn't work19:20
Maceri didn't test im19:20
freemangordonwhat about the other IM19:20
freemangordonI see19:20
Maceri will try it19:20
Macerwaiting on the n900 to boot19:20
freemangordonMacer: do you mind to switch to #maemo-ssu?19:21
Macerhm. sure...19:21
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ecc3gis there an n900 webdav client that supports https?19:44
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Mr_Stupidmerlin1991: Hey merlin1991, can you please check my build:
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merlin1991Mr_Stupid: looks good actually20:41
Mr_Stupidmerlin1991: What do i have to do that it is available in the repo?20:41
merlin1991ping me like you just did20:41
merlin1991then wait a bit :)20:41
Mr_StupidAhhhh waiting, i can do that :) I like to wait20:42
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Mr_StupidI just started waiting :(20:46
Mr_StupidThx, i'll wait some more. Then i check it out20:47
DocScrutinizer05mhm, jolla sent a tracking number for whatever they are shipping to me20:47
merlin1991no way20:47
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merlin1991I should send them an email these days20:47
Mr_StupidOnly spam in my inbox :(20:48
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DocScrutinizer05>>his time we didn’t send a message in the bottle, instead we are using a shipping company. You can track your shipment (Order: be298374892437) here: <url><<20:49
DocScrutinizer05really curious what they send20:50
DocScrutinizer05a t-shirt?20:51
DocScrutinizer05a paper with some pre-order number?20:51
DocScrutinizer05a TOH20:51
Mr_StupidThe other half, sure :)20:51
DocScrutinizer05a bomb?20:52
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DocScrutinizer05message in a bottle... might explain why I got no info what they are sending ;-P  No waters here20:55
keriojust a castaway20:56
kerioan island lost at se-a20:56
kerioanother lonely day20:56
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DocScrutinizer05even if there were, that bottle had to swim uphill to climb ~300m from their location to mine20:56
keriowith no one here but me20:56
keriomooore loneliness20:56
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keriothan any man could bear20:57
keriorescue me before i fall into despair20:57
kerioand now i'll stop before GEMA raids DocScrutinizer05's house for unlawfully reading the lyrics to a copyrighted song20:57
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Mr_Stupidi read it too, but GEMA is powerless!20:58
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DocScrutinizer05fun happening: in TV they showed exactly same TOR pages I posted links to here, some 4h before20:59
* DocScrutinizer05 suspects they already are eavesdropping on him20:59
keriopost a link to goatse21:01
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