IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2013-06-25

parahumanoidI'm gonna let it charge for 10 minutes, I think it's close to being drained.00:01
freemangordonparahumanoid: are you sure the kernel was successfuly flashed?00:01
parahumanoidThe flasher, while it took a bit of waiting, did acknowledge it and return it to production mode.  But it's not powering on.  I think it's just drained, cause I've been tinkering with it all day long.00:01
freemangordonooh, yeah00:02
freemangordonparahumanoid: connect it to wall charger, not USB00:02
DocScrutinizer05I doubt it would flash anything in that state00:02
parahumanoidfreemangordon: even if it wasn't, now that I'm back to familiar state, I can always do a vanilla, install cssu, and then restore the backup.  That should do the trick, right?00:03
parahumanoidBut I'm pretty sure it succeeded.00:03
DocScrutinizer05wich familiar state?00:03
DocScrutinizer05and you still would need to flash correct kernel before (or after) BM backup rstore00:04
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hmm, why? cssu-thumb will flash it00:05
parahumanoidDoc: It wouldn't leave the R&D in a familiar fashion, required long waits for the flasher to "see" it.  I've set a few extra flags before that may have influenced it.00:06
DocScrutinizer05since after flashing vanilla a flasjing of rootfs is mandatory (due to optification), and that would restore kernel to stock unless you do special tricks for flasher parameters00:06
parahumanoidDoc: it would, correct.  But what's to stop you from installing the cssu-thumb from the repo, rebooting into BM and restoring the images?00:07
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parahumanoidThank you for you help, folks.  It's a great community, and I'll be joining you soon as I'm getting this unit for myself by the end of summer.  My friend can't handle it, he's going off to the Android land, he wants essential things to be simple and convenient.  Not something we can always say about N900 :-)  Oh well, I still love this piece of tech.00:13
GI_JackI was wondering, real quick, was the maximum speed rating of the n900's microsd card?00:14
GI_Jackit should be able to do class 10 right, but what about UHS-1?00:14
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DocScrutinizer05UHS onyl in compatibilty mode00:16
GI_Jacki.e. working at class 10 speeds?00:17
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SpeedEvilthe SD slot tops out at 25MHz meaning about 12 megabytes/s read and write00:38
GI_Jackexcellent, so a class 10 would make a diffrence00:39
GI_Jackas opposed to class 400:40
SpeedEvilIIRC you're not supposed to use >25mhz without reducing Vcc, which im not sure the n900 can do00:40
SpeedEvilwell, depends.00:40
SpeedEvilI have a 6(?) year old Kingston cheap card that will max read and write00:40
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GI_JackI have a class 4 card in there now, I am looking for an upgrade to make transfering files less a pain in the ass00:40
SpeedEvilfor large files, it should do that00:41
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GI_Jackin addition to being my primary phone, my n900 is also my digital music player, AND my digital camera00:41
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GI_JackI'm running some benchmarks now, it looks like I'm getting around 12.6 MB read and 3.4MB/s write00:52
SpeedEvillarge continuous writers?00:52
GI_Jackyeah, benchmarker, 10 meg blocks00:53
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parahumanoidhi to all.  what can it be if my N900, while being started with the cable connected and "U" being held, doesn't display the USB connection icon?05:28
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GI_Jackand keep trying05:38
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DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-25 04:28:07] <parahumanoid> hi to all.  what can it be if my N900, while being started with the cable connected and "U" being held, doesn't display the USB connection icon?07:15
DocScrutinizer05was about to write an answer07:15
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DocScrutinizer05DEVELOPERS: please look at and tell me what you think of that list, particularly when one of the pkgs is yours07:17
DocScrutinizer05this is from "autobuilder" (actually garage VM)07:17
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SAiFWhat is the normal and maximum swap usage. anybody?07:43
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ShadowJK90-160M for me08:06
ShadowJK2 xterms, screen, xchat, gpodder08:06
SAiFthen whats the purpose of 768?08:09
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kerioSAiF: to avoid swap fragmentation10:30
kerioalso, "just in case"10:30
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SAiFhmm. I never seen it using more than 100mb. some times i see it uses less than 10mb10:32
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kerioyou could fill the swap with all that you have never seen10:33
keriothe fact that you've never seen something is anecdotal at best10:34
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SAiFprobably right.10:57
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Gear_how would I get a fullscreen camera feed from one n900 to another one10:58
teotwakiover wifi, most probably.10:59
Gear_but how would I go about it10:59
teotwakiin a nutshell? Capture camera output, transmit over the network, decode and display.11:00
teotwakiwhy do I feel I'm doing homework?11:01
Gear_because I'm copying your answers :P11:01
teotwakiyour best bet is probably gstreamer11:01
teotwakiwhich, I believe, supports sinks that carry stuff over the network11:02
Gear_yeah I did manage a crappy res stream from the n900 to my netbook11:02
teotwakiwhich camera are you using?11:02
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teotwakithen that sounds about right :)11:02
teotwakiit's what, 0.3Mpix?11:02
Gear_no the main one11:03
Gear_I consider that the "front"11:04
teotwakithat's the back :)11:04
Gear_okey dokey.11:04
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Gear_well it needs to go from that to the other n90011:05
teotwakiwell, I told you how I'd do it.11:05
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Gear_"gstreamer" is a pretty broad umbrella11:06
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ShapeshifterMh. For a couple of days now, the Notes applications isn't autosaving my changes anymore... If the N900 runs out of battery or restarts otherwise, I end up with my last manually saved Notes. How can I fix this? I never had this problem...11:34
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Lava_Croftfinally getting my second sim14:40
Lava_Croftso i can use both sims on the same number at the same time14:40
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GeneralAntillesSo lazy. Still need to clean up the candidate wiki.16:38
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WargreenHi all !16:41
WargreenHaaa, I'm happy to see maemo chan is alway active and with lot of people !16:43
Wargreen(and sorry for my english)16:43
Wargreen... I have a little pb with profiled, i think, anyone know a little the dbus system ?16:45
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mmm_here is the situation. touch doesnot work sometime. and I think it is the moisture. I can see some spots like always pressed when using  a white background.  some times when i press somewhere it  reads some other location and presses another key. it become normal after 1 or 2 hours as if nothing happened. And somrtime it doesnot have a problem at all. any remedies for this problem. (english ;))17:38
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mmm_here is the situation. touch doesnot work sometime. and I think it is the moisture. I can see some spots like always pressed when using  a white background.  some times when i press somewhere it  reads some other location and presses another key. it become normal after 1 or 2 hours as if nothing happened. And somrtime it doesnot have a problem at all. any remedies for this problem.17:55
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mmm_and hermes is not working.18:00
Lava_Crofthermes isnt working due to api updates18:00
Lava_Croftand a lack of a hermes update18:00
Lava_Crofttwitter etc changed the way programs communicate with them18:00
Lava_Crofthermes isnt updated for this yet18:00
Lava_Croftand no clue if it will be18:00
mmm_I just installed it with apt_get install hermes18:01
Lava_Croftwhy wouldnt installing work18:01
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Lava_Crofthermes itself works fine too, it just cant communicate properly with twitter and other websites18:01
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SAiFso is there a way around?18:02
SAiFanother app or tweak?18:02
Lava_Croftupdate hermes18:02
Lava_Crofti dont know of an alternative to hermes18:02
SAiFhow do you update?18:02
Lava_Croftyou get the sourcecode for hermes and edit the sourcecode, compile the code and generate a new .deb18:03
Lava_Croftin other words, you arent18:03
Lava_Croftneither am i :<18:03
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eijkHi! Whenever I start the browser, the first page takes very long to load. I think, there is an option to enable the browser to startup in advance such that opening a page is quick but I might have disabled that option and now I don't know where it was. Any hints?18:26
eijkIs it maybe related to developer mode (which I have enabled)?18:27
eijkI am referring to the N900.18:27
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DocScrutinizer05Upload Errors18:31
DocScrutinizer05Your file of 57.9 KB bytes exceeds the forum's limit of 19.5 KB for this filetype.18:31
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: ^^^18:32
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fw190Thanks for the tip Doc18:50
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Lava_Croftsixwheeledbeast: how will flopswap behave if i have it set to move swap to sd on boot, after which i make a backupmenu copy and copy that onto another n900 without any sdcard19:24
sixwheeledbeastLava_Croft: Swap to uSD on boot option is a upstart script19:26
Lava_Croftyeah, but i was curious how it behave when being lazy19:27
Lava_Croftas in, will it boot19:27
Lava_Croftor will it react to not finding sd and stick swap to emmc19:27
sixwheeledbeastIf the script fails it runs on eMMC19:27
sixwheeledbeastfor swap19:27
sixwheeledbeasti.e. mmcblk0p319:28
Lava_Croftok, thanks19:28
Lava_Croftgood failsafe19:28
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sixwheeledbeastupstart does this, I have tested that scenario.19:29
sixwheeledbeastIt seems FlopSwap is getting more popular lately I am getting more questions via PM and IRC :)19:31
Lava_Croftits linked on the wiki19:31
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Lava_Croftand i go to the wiki everytime, just to be sure im doing it right when doing it by hand19:31
Lava_Croftflopswap fixed this process now:)19:31
Lava_Crofti dont know if i told you that swapset also interferes with flopswap19:32
Lava_Croft(i think i did)19:32
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Lava_Crofti only assumed you created it because you kept replying to queries about it here:)19:33
sixwheeledbeastI didn't know but I don't recommend it anyway (reasons) in the flopswap thread.19:34
sixwheeledbeastsorry afk be back in an hour or so ....19:34
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armeLshaikmaybe you are aware of this but (even if i prefer to use fapman) sometimes i install deb via ham. after closing ham n900 is slower and in conky i see apt-worker.real using near 80% for almost 3minutes and finally stops19:47
armeLshaikis it normal?19:47
Lava_CroftHAM is a pita19:47
armeLshaiklatest cssu stable latest kp19:48
Lava_CroftHAM has always been slow for me19:48
Lava_Croftand probably for everybody:)19:48
armeLshaikyeah i know19:48
armeLshaikbut what apt-worker.real is doing? and why use a lot of cpu?19:49
Lava_Croftafaik HAM is overly cautious19:50
Lava_Croftand does a lot of important magic to make sure you dont blow up your n900, or something19:51
Lava_Crofti dont know the dark of it19:51
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DocScrutinizer05apt-worker is the process that actually does all the apt-get update foo20:30
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DocScrutinizer05it builds a new dependency tree after every single transaction that might have changed sth regarding your package dependencies, aiui20:30
DocScrutinizer05even if that's not really reasonable to do anymore, since the frontend (HAM) already has closed20:31
DocScrutinizer05the 80% CPU are used since building the dependency tree is a complicated process that needs juggling with a really huge amount of datasets in linked lists20:32
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DocScrutinizer05every decent package manager has similar "problems". E.G. 6 years ago I had a laptop with 192MB of RAM with a normal OpenSUSE system installation. The package manager (Yast/zypper) took >12h to start up and build the dependency tree, while the system was constantly swapping. Obviously the data structures of the dependency tree didn't fit into RAM20:36
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Iridoshm, you suggested yesterday to my other nick that I upgrade to CSSU stable... it seems to have gone rather without problems... just not sure if I'm finished with everything20:45
Iridosshould I remove some of the old maemo repos now? also still getting "key expired" on one of them... and there are still some packages that apt-get sees as upgradeable20:46
Iridosbut \o/, seems the gmail bug is gone...20:46
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DocScrutinizer05announcement: we decided to close accounts of all those who received a election token mail but don't vote ;-D  [[just kidding!]]20:51
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DocScrutinizer05Iridos: when you followed the procedure on cssu wiki page, then you should be fine. Just don't miss the step where you need to *manually* start the enabler via the icon in your appstarter menu20:53
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DocScrutinizer05Iridos: when you have extras-devel enabled, I guess you will see a few updates. It's generally not recommended to install updates from extras-devel indiscriminately, rather you usally enable extras-devel repo only temporarily to update/install a certain package you're interested in, then *disable* the catalog again. Sure this sucks in HAM, but it's the only safe way to deal with extras-devel20:56
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DocScrutinizer05cssu can't do anything (or rather: hastn't done so far) about the expired key in Nokia repos20:56
DocScrutinizer05*usually* that shouldn't create headaches since there are no new packages or updates in Nokia repos20:57
DocScrutinizer05it *might* become a problem when you need to re-install a package from there that you incidentally damaged, or when you want any supplementary package from Nokia repos20:58
DocScrutinizer05options: change system time to january-2012, or enable red-pill mode in HAM, plus some then-available options to not check key validity, in HAM's options menu21:00
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HtheBwhat'sup doc?21:01
DocScrutinizer05no highlight21:01
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IridosDocScrutinizer05, ok, thanks... think I'm done then21:15
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Iridoshad to enable extras-devel for the CSSU package, IIRC21:16
DocScrutinizer05Iridos: alas CSSU comes with a cruft of preconfigured and partially even enabled repos lately, which are not really reasonable to have there. I dunno which is the latest config there, but *if* you got any cssu-devel or cssu-thumb or whatever catalogs, DISABLE them!21:17
DocScrutinizer05also don't usually disable any cssu-testing repo when you're on cssu-stable, and vice versa21:17
Iridosdon't disable? that's one negation too many?21:18
DocScrutinizer05yeah sorry21:18
Iridosok :)21:18
DocScrutinizer05also don't usually ENsable any cssu-testing repo when you're on cssu-stable, and vice versa21:18
DocScrutinizer05but particularly cssu-devel and cssu-thumb, when enabled, will most likely nuke your system21:20
DocScrutinizer05unless you know exactly what you're doing21:20
DocScrutinizer05a terrible mistake once again in cssu maintenance21:21
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Iridosthose thumb binaries should in principle run, though?21:22
DocScrutinizer05*only* when you got a thumb-enabled kernel21:22
merlin1991not without a kernel21:22
DocScrutinizer05otherwise your system will segfault like there's no tomorrow (which actually is true from your system's POV ;-P)21:23
merlin1991nah it sigills21:23
merlin1991not segfaults :)21:23
DocScrutinizer05actually you never know what it gonna do21:23
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DocScrutinizer05since not every thumb instruction is illegal in ARM mode, some may simply not do what you thought they should do21:24
DocScrutinizer05and the problem is that branch prediction doesn't get updated so branch operations and *anywhere*21:25
RaimuDocScrutinizer05: Whoah, are the all preconfigured in HAM?21:25
DocScrutinizer05I dunno what's recent state of things21:25
Iridosthat's what it looks like after the latest installs/reboot
Iridosnot sure what mr0 is21:26
DocScrutinizer05I found a shitload on nonsensical catalogs with around T6 or T7 upgrade21:26
RaimuHar, Extras twice21:26
merlin1991they should be visible but not enabled21:27
merlin1991unless you ticked them all21:27
DocScrutinizer05that for sure will slow down stuff considerably21:27
Iridosyeah... but one says fremantle, one fremantle-1.3 - I should check what was in there before, though... haven't touched repos in... well, a year or so?21:27
merlin1991stuff from fremantle (not from fremantle-1.3) is for the 1.0 and 1.1 firmware21:28
DocScrutinizer05fremantle and fremantle-1.3 *SHOULD* be identical. I heard our repo maintainer is having an eye on that issue21:28
DocScrutinizer05no, it isn't21:29
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: that's for -devel21:29
merlin1991pure extras should have 2 different trees21:29
Iridosdoes it make any sense to have both?21:29
merlin1991Iridos: nope21:29
Iridos*bang* one down21:29
merlin1991I hope you removed the fremantle one .)21:30
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: right, my fault21:30
Iridosmerlin1991, tossing a coin ;)21:30
merlin1991on a sidenote, DocScrutinizer05 I've just had a nice battle vs alsa to get my mic input working, turned out my soundcard has a toggle switch for line input or mic, which isn't present in alsamixer21:30
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DocScrutinizer05not unheard of21:31
merlin1991the weirdest thing though is, that the mic boost switch is in the playback pane of alsamixer not in the capture one o_O21:31
merlin1991but hey, I finally fixed all my sound issues on this box :)21:32
DocScrutinizer05mostly a question of sanitizing some /usr/share/alsa/cards/* settings21:34
merlin1991imho it's rather weird to have /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf.d/* instead of /etc/alsa/...21:35
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IridosI guess the hildon from CSSU also fixed that thing with hildon-desktop, categorize and the high load?21:37
DocScrutinizer05the /usr/share/alsa/* stuff is developer-provided "static" data, sort of "program text"21:38
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DocScrutinizer05Iridos: yes21:39
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Iridosgreat :)21:39
DocScrutinizer05Iridos: that's what CSSU is all about first and foremost: fix bugs in stock maemo21:41
merlin1991I'll need to look into sampling rate though, no point in having a 192KHz ADC and also DAC and then run them on 48KHz :D21:42
DocScrutinizer05hmm, yeah21:43
merlin1991then again most of my input is 41KHz :/21:43
Iridosright... just checking, as this was a really annoying one21:43
Iridosthen... thanks a lot for the advice and have a good evening (/$daytime)21:43
Iridosoh, and also thanks for all the work any of you put into that... much appreciated :)21:44
Iridosalso... dunno if you find this as amusing as I do  (don't forget to notice the weight)21:45
Iridos"at least can use it as a glass cutter"21:47
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DocScrutinizer05HAHA, sure! 200g gold, and SIMlock-free. But also free of any RF-interference with the antenna (commonly known as "signal"), due to the excellent shielding properties of the gold jacket22:00
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DocScrutinizer05as reasonable as a Rolex-watch with a solid diamond as glass, so you can't see the clock's hands anymore because of all the diamond facettes22:02
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DocScrutinizer05let the designer fumblers wreck your technical gadgets!22:03
DocScrutinizer05incredible morons22:04
DocScrutinizer05>>you can use this iphone 5 on any network throughout the world. << definutely a lie22:05
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GeneralAntillesI wonder if there's an angle in advertising more of what sorts of work goes into the infra support.22:09
GeneralAntillesMake people more aware of the time investment involved and maybe generate more donations.22:10
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Woody14619I'd say, yes, that's a great reason to advertise it (and to hopefully garner a bit more of appreciation to those who volunteer their time for such).22:27
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sixwheeledbeastLava_Croft: any more information on swapset/flopswap issue?22:38
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GeneralAntillesMaybe there should be a maemo22:40
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Lava_Croftsixwheeledbeast: all i know is that swapset puts scripts in event.d that automagically mounts any swap partition it finds22:44
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Lava_Croftnever realized it did that22:45
sixwheeledbeastI have never used/or recommended swapset. Did you have issues yourself?22:46
Lava_Croftthat was the first time i installed it, i always set swap to sd by hand22:47
Lava_Crofti was trying out options22:47
Lava_Croftit had no issues, but i guess mounting all swap it finds on boot is a bit err22:47
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sixwheeledbeastthe issue I have with swapset is compressing ram uses CPU and therefore battery.23:02
sixwheeledbeastMore is gained from Thumb IMO23:02
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