| parahumanoid | I'm gonna let it charge for 10 minutes, I think it's close to being drained. | 00:01 |
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| freemangordon | parahumanoid: are you sure the kernel was successfuly flashed? | 00:01 |
| parahumanoid | The flasher, while it took a bit of waiting, did acknowledge it and return it to production mode. But it's not powering on. I think it's just drained, cause I've been tinkering with it all day long. | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | ooh, yeah | 00:02 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: connect it to wall charger, not USB | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt it would flash anything in that state | 00:02 |
| parahumanoid | freemangordon: even if it wasn't, now that I'm back to familiar state, I can always do a vanilla, install cssu, and then restore the backup. That should do the trick, right? | 00:03 |
| parahumanoid | But I'm pretty sure it succeeded. | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | yep | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wich familiar state? | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you still would need to flash correct kernel before (or after) BM backup rstore | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, why? cssu-thumb will flash it | 00:05 |
| parahumanoid | Doc: It wouldn't leave the R&D in a familiar fashion, required long waits for the flasher to "see" it. I've set a few extra flags before that may have influenced it. | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since after flashing vanilla a flasjing of rootfs is mandatory (due to optification), and that would restore kernel to stock unless you do special tricks for flasher parameters | 00:06 |
| parahumanoid | Doc: it would, correct. But what's to stop you from installing the cssu-thumb from the repo, rebooting into BM and restoring the images? | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing | 00:11 |
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| parahumanoid | Thank you for you help, folks. It's a great community, and I'll be joining you soon as I'm getting this unit for myself by the end of summer. My friend can't handle it, he's going off to the Android land, he wants essential things to be simple and convenient. Not something we can always say about N900 :-) Oh well, I still love this piece of tech. | 00:13 |
| GI_Jack | I was wondering, real quick, was the maximum speed rating of the n900's microsd card? | 00:14 |
| GI_Jack | it should be able to do class 10 right, but what about UHS-1? | 00:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | UHS onyl in compatibilty mode | 00:16 |
| GI_Jack | i.e. working at class 10 speeds? | 00:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | the SD slot tops out at 25MHz meaning about 12 megabytes/s read and write | 00:38 |
| GI_Jack | excellent, so a class 10 would make a diffrence | 00:39 |
| GI_Jack | as opposed to class 4 | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC you're not supposed to use >25mhz without reducing Vcc, which im not sure the n900 can do | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | well, depends. | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a 6(?) year old Kingston cheap card that will max read and write | 00:40 |
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| GI_Jack | I have a class 4 card in there now, I am looking for an upgrade to make transfering files less a pain in the ass | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | for large files, it should do that | 00:41 |
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| GI_Jack | in addition to being my primary phone, my n900 is also my digital music player, AND my digital camera | 00:41 |
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| GI_Jack | I'm running some benchmarks now, it looks like I'm getting around 12.6 MB read and 3.4MB/s write | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | large continuous writers? | 00:52 |
| GI_Jack | yeah, benchmarker, 10 meg blocks | 00:53 |
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| parahumanoid | hi to all. what can it be if my N900, while being started with the cable connected and "U" being held, doesn't display the USB connection icon? | 05:28 |
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| GI_Jack | sup | 05:38 |
| GI_Jack | lsusb? | 05:38 |
| GI_Jack | and keep trying | 05:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 07:15 |
| Luke-Jr | meh? | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-25 04:28:07] <parahumanoid> hi to all. what can it be if my N900, while being started with the cable connected and "U" being held, doesn't display the USB connection icon? | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | was about to write an answer | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tab-completion failed | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway | 07:16 |
| Luke-Jr | >_< | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DEVELOPERS: please look at http://privatepaste.com/145b0770c3 and tell me what you think of that list, particularly when one of the pkgs is yours | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is from "autobuilder" (actually garage VM) | 07:17 |
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| SAiF | What is the normal and maximum swap usage. anybody? | 07:43 |
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| ShadowJK | 90-160M for me | 08:06 |
| ShadowJK | 2 xterms, screen, xchat, gpodder | 08:06 |
| SAiF | then whats the purpose of 768? | 08:09 |
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| kerio | SAiF: to avoid swap fragmentation | 10:30 |
| kerio | also, "just in case" | 10:30 |
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| SAiF | hmm. I never seen it using more than 100mb. some times i see it uses less than 10mb | 10:32 |
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| kerio | you could fill the swap with all that you have never seen | 10:33 |
| kerio | the fact that you've never seen something is anecdotal at best | 10:34 |
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| SAiF | probably right. | 10:57 |
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| Gear_ | how would I get a fullscreen camera feed from one n900 to another one | 10:58 |
| teotwaki | over wifi, most probably. | 10:59 |
| Gear_ | definitely | 10:59 |
| Gear_ | but how would I go about it | 10:59 |
| teotwaki | in a nutshell? Capture camera output, transmit over the network, decode and display. | 11:00 |
| Gear_ | using? | 11:00 |
| teotwaki | why do I feel I'm doing homework? | 11:01 |
| Gear_ | because I'm copying your answers :P | 11:01 |
| teotwaki | your best bet is probably gstreamer | 11:01 |
| teotwaki | which, I believe, supports sinks that carry stuff over the network | 11:02 |
| Gear_ | yeah I did manage a crappy res stream from the n900 to my netbook | 11:02 |
| teotwaki | which camera are you using? | 11:02 |
| teotwaki | Front? | 11:02 |
| Gear_ | yeah | 11:02 |
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| teotwaki | then that sounds about right :) | 11:02 |
| teotwaki | it's what, 0.3Mpix? | 11:02 |
| Gear_ | no the main one | 11:03 |
| Gear_ | I consider that the "front" | 11:04 |
| teotwaki | that's the back :) | 11:04 |
| Gear_ | okey dokey. | 11:04 |
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| Gear_ | well it needs to go from that to the other n900 | 11:05 |
| teotwaki | well, I told you how I'd do it. | 11:05 |
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| Gear_ | "gstreamer" is a pretty broad umbrella | 11:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | Mh. For a couple of days now, the Notes applications isn't autosaving my changes anymore... If the N900 runs out of battery or restarts otherwise, I end up with my last manually saved Notes. How can I fix this? I never had this problem... | 11:34 |
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| Lava_Croft | finally getting my second sim | 14:40 |
| Lava_Croft | so i can use both sims on the same number at the same time | 14:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So lazy. Still need to clean up the candidate wiki. | 16:38 |
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| Wargreen | Hi all ! | 16:41 |
| Wargreen | Haaa, I'm happy to see maemo chan is alway active and with lot of people ! | 16:43 |
| Wargreen | (and sorry for my english) | 16:43 |
| Wargreen | ... I have a little pb with profiled, i think, anyone know a little the dbus system ? | 16:45 |
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| mmm_ | here is the situation. touch doesnot work sometime. and I think it is the moisture. I can see some spots like always pressed when using a white background. some times when i press somewhere it reads some other location and presses another key. it become normal after 1 or 2 hours as if nothing happened. And somrtime it doesnot have a problem at all. any remedies for this problem. (english ;)) | 17:38 |
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| mmm_ | here is the situation. touch doesnot work sometime. and I think it is the moisture. I can see some spots like always pressed when using a white background. some times when i press somewhere it reads some other location and presses another key. it become normal after 1 or 2 hours as if nothing happened. And somrtime it doesnot have a problem at all. any remedies for this problem. | 17:55 |
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| mmm_ | and hermes is not working. | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | hermes isnt working due to api updates | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | and a lack of a hermes update | 18:00 |
| mmm_ | ?? | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | twitter etc changed the way programs communicate with them | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | hermes isnt updated for this yet | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | and no clue if it will be | 18:00 |
| mmm_ | I just installed it with apt_get install hermes | 18:01 |
| Lava_Croft | yes | 18:01 |
| Lava_Croft | why wouldnt installing work | 18:01 |
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| Lava_Croft | hermes itself works fine too, it just cant communicate properly with twitter and other websites | 18:01 |
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| SAiF | so is there a way around? | 18:02 |
| SAiF | another app or tweak? | 18:02 |
| Lava_Croft | update hermes | 18:02 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont know of an alternative to hermes | 18:02 |
| Lava_Croft | sadly | 18:02 |
| SAiF | how do you update? | 18:02 |
| Lava_Croft | you get the sourcecode for hermes and edit the sourcecode, compile the code and generate a new .deb | 18:03 |
| Lava_Croft | in other words, you arent | 18:03 |
| Lava_Croft | neither am i :< | 18:03 |
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| eijk | Hi! Whenever I start the browser, the first page takes very long to load. I think, there is an option to enable the browser to startup in advance such that opening a page is quick but I might have disabled that option and now I don't know where it was. Any hints? | 18:26 |
| eijk | Is it maybe related to developer mode (which I have enabled)? | 18:27 |
| eijk | I am referring to the N900. | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ohhfsckUtmo!!! | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Upload Errors | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | donations.pdf: | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Your file of 57.9 KB bytes exceeds the forum's limit of 19.5 KB for this filetype. | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ^^^ | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MEH, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1354634&postcount=191 | 18:46 |
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| fw190 | Thanks for the tip Doc | 18:50 |
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| Lava_Croft | sixwheeledbeast: how will flopswap behave if i have it set to move swap to sd on boot, after which i make a backupmenu copy and copy that onto another n900 without any sdcard | 19:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Lava_Croft: Swap to uSD on boot option is a upstart script | 19:26 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah, but i was curious how it behave when being lazy | 19:27 |
| Lava_Croft | as in, will it boot | 19:27 |
| Lava_Croft | or will it react to not finding sd and stick swap to emmc | 19:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | If the script fails it runs on eMMC | 19:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | for swap | 19:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | i.e. mmcblk0p3 | 19:28 |
| Lava_Croft | ok, thanks | 19:28 |
| Lava_Croft | good failsafe | 19:28 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | upstart does this, I have tested that scenario. | 19:29 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 19:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It seems FlopSwap is getting more popular lately I am getting more questions via PM and IRC :) | 19:31 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 19:31 |
| Lava_Croft | its linked on the wiki | 19:31 |
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| Lava_Croft | and i go to the wiki everytime, just to be sure im doing it right when doing it by hand | 19:31 |
| Lava_Croft | flopswap fixed this process now:) | 19:31 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont know if i told you that swapset also interferes with flopswap | 19:32 |
| Lava_Croft | (i think i did) | 19:32 |
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| Lava_Croft | i only assumed you created it because you kept replying to queries about it here:) | 19:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I didn't know but I don't recommend it anyway (reasons) in the flopswap thread. | 19:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | sorry afk be back in an hour or so .... | 19:34 |
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| armeLshaik | hi | 19:43 |
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| armeLshaik | maybe you are aware of this but (even if i prefer to use fapman) sometimes i install deb via ham. after closing ham n900 is slower and in conky i see apt-worker.real using near 80% for almost 3minutes and finally stops | 19:47 |
| armeLshaik | is it normal? | 19:47 |
| Lava_Croft | yes | 19:47 |
| Lava_Croft | HAM is a pita | 19:47 |
| armeLshaik | latest cssu stable latest kp | 19:48 |
| Lava_Croft | HAM has always been slow for me | 19:48 |
| Lava_Croft | and probably for everybody:) | 19:48 |
| armeLshaik | yeah i know | 19:48 |
| armeLshaik | but what apt-worker.real is doing? and why use a lot of cpu? | 19:49 |
| Lava_Croft | afaik HAM is overly cautious | 19:50 |
| Lava_Croft | and does a lot of important magic to make sure you dont blow up your n900, or something | 19:51 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont know the dark of it | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-worker is the process that actually does all the apt-get update foo | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it builds a new dependency tree after every single transaction that might have changed sth regarding your package dependencies, aiui | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even if that's not really reasonable to do anymore, since the frontend (HAM) already has closed | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the 80% CPU are used since building the dependency tree is a complicated process that needs juggling with a really huge amount of datasets in linked lists | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | every decent package manager has similar "problems". E.G. 6 years ago I had a laptop with 192MB of RAM with a normal OpenSUSE system installation. The package manager (Yast/zypper) took >12h to start up and build the dependency tree, while the system was constantly swapping. Obviously the data structures of the dependency tree didn't fit into RAM | 20:36 |
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| Iridos | hm, you suggested yesterday to my other nick that I upgrade to CSSU stable... it seems to have gone rather without problems... just not sure if I'm finished with everything | 20:45 |
| Iridos | should I remove some of the old maemo repos now? also still getting "key expired" on one of them... and there are still some packages that apt-get sees as upgradeable | 20:46 |
| Iridos | but \o/, seems the gmail bug is gone... | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | announcement: we decided to close accounts of all those who received a election token mail but don't vote ;-D [[just kidding!]] | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Iridos: when you followed the procedure on cssu wiki page, then you should be fine. Just don't miss the step where you need to *manually* start the enabler via the icon in your appstarter menu | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Iridos: when you have extras-devel enabled, I guess you will see a few updates. It's generally not recommended to install updates from extras-devel indiscriminately, rather you usally enable extras-devel repo only temporarily to update/install a certain package you're interested in, then *disable* the catalog again. Sure this sucks in HAM, but it's the only safe way to deal with extras-devel | 20:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu can't do anything (or rather: hastn't done so far) about the expired key in Nokia repos | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *usually* that shouldn't create headaches since there are no new packages or updates in Nokia repos | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it *might* become a problem when you need to re-install a package from there that you incidentally damaged, or when you want any supplementary package from Nokia repos | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | options: change system time to january-2012, or enable red-pill mode in HAM, plus some then-available options to not check key validity, in HAM's options menu | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 21:01 |
| HtheB | doc | 21:01 |
| HtheB | what'sup doc? | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no highlight | 21:01 |
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| Iridos | DocScrutinizer05, ok, thanks... think I'm done then | 21:15 |
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| Iridos | had to enable extras-devel for the CSSU package, IIRC | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Iridos: alas CSSU comes with a cruft of preconfigured and partially even enabled repos lately, which are not really reasonable to have there. I dunno which is the latest config there, but *if* you got any cssu-devel or cssu-thumb or whatever catalogs, DISABLE them! | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also don't usually disable any cssu-testing repo when you're on cssu-stable, and vice versa | 21:17 |
| Iridos | don't disable? that's one negation too many? | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah sorry | 21:18 |
| Iridos | ok :) | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also don't usually ENsable any cssu-testing repo when you're on cssu-stable, and vice versa | 21:18 |
| Iridos | right | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but particularly cssu-devel and cssu-thumb, when enabled, will most likely nuke your system | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you know exactly what you're doing | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a terrible mistake once again in cssu maintenance | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ...to have all those catalogs preconfigured in HAM | 21:22 |
| Iridos | those thumb binaries should in principle run, though? | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *only* when you got a thumb-enabled kernel | 21:22 |
| merlin1991 | not without a kernel | 21:22 |
| Iridos | ok | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise your system will segfault like there's no tomorrow (which actually is true from your system's POV ;-P) | 21:23 |
| merlin1991 | nah it sigills | 21:23 |
| merlin1991 | not segfaults :) | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually you never know what it gonna do | 21:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since not every thumb instruction is illegal in ARM mode, some may simply not do what you thought they should do | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the problem is that branch prediction doesn't get updated so branch operations and *anywhere* | 21:25 |
| Raimu | DocScrutinizer05: Whoah, are the all preconfigured in HAM? | 21:25 |
| Raimu | *they | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno what's recent state of things | 21:25 |
| Iridos | that's what it looks like after the latest installs/reboot http://paste.debian.net/12653 | 21:26 |
| Iridos | not sure what mr0 is | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I found a shitload on nonsensical catalogs with around T6 or T7 upgrade | 21:26 |
| Raimu | Har, Extras twice | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 21:27 |
| merlin1991 | they should be visible but not enabled | 21:27 |
| merlin1991 | unless you ticked them all | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that for sure will slow down stuff considerably | 21:27 |
| Iridos | yeah... but one says fremantle, one fremantle-1.3 - I should check what was in there before, though... haven't touched repos in... well, a year or so? | 21:27 |
| merlin1991 | stuff from fremantle (not from fremantle-1.3) is for the 1.0 and 1.1 firmware | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle and fremantle-1.3 *SHOULD* be identical. I heard our repo maintainer is having an eye on that issue | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, it isn't | 21:29 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: that's for -devel | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh | 21:29 |
| merlin1991 | pure extras should have 2 different trees | 21:29 |
| Iridos | does it make any sense to have both? | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 21:29 |
| merlin1991 | Iridos: nope | 21:29 |
| Iridos | *bang* one down | 21:29 |
| merlin1991 | I hope you removed the fremantle one .) | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: right, my fault | 21:30 |
| Iridos | merlin1991, tossing a coin ;) | 21:30 |
| merlin1991 | on a sidenote, DocScrutinizer05 I've just had a nice battle vs alsa to get my mic input working, turned out my soundcard has a toggle switch for line input or mic, which isn't present in alsamixer | 21:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not unheard of | 21:31 |
| merlin1991 | the weirdest thing though is, that the mic boost switch is in the playback pane of alsamixer not in the capture one o_O | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 21:31 |
| merlin1991 | but hey, I finally fixed all my sound issues on this box :) | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mostly a question of sanitizing some /usr/share/alsa/cards/* settings | 21:34 |
| merlin1991 | imho it's rather weird to have /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf.d/* instead of /etc/alsa/... | 21:35 |
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| Iridos | I guess the hildon from CSSU also fixed that thing with hildon-desktop, categorize and the high load? | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the /usr/share/alsa/* stuff is developer-provided "static" data, sort of "program text" | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Iridos: yes | 21:39 |
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| Iridos | great :) | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Iridos: that's what CSSU is all about first and foremost: fix bugs in stock maemo | 21:41 |
| merlin1991 | I'll need to look into sampling rate though, no point in having a 192KHz ADC and also DAC and then run them on 48KHz :D | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, yeah | 21:43 |
| merlin1991 | then again most of my input is 41KHz :/ | 21:43 |
| Iridos | right... just checking, as this was a really annoying one | 21:43 |
| Iridos | then... thanks a lot for the advice and have a good evening (/$daytime) | 21:43 |
| Iridos | oh, and also thanks for all the work any of you put into that... much appreciated :) | 21:44 |
| Iridos | also... dunno if you find this as amusing as I do http://www.goldgenie.com/solid-gold-superstar-iphone5.php (don't forget to notice the weight) | 21:45 |
| Iridos | "at least can use it as a glass cutter" | 21:47 |
| Iridos | laters | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HAHA, sure! 200g gold, and SIMlock-free. But also free of any RF-interference with the antenna (commonly known as "signal"), due to the excellent shielding properties of the gold jacket | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | as reasonable as a Rolex-watch with a solid diamond as glass, so you can't see the clock's hands anymore because of all the diamond facettes | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | let the designer fumblers wreck your technical gadgets! | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incredible morons | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>you can use this iphone 5 on any network throughout the world. << definutely a lie | 22:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if there's an angle in advertising more of what sorts of work goes into the maemo.org infra support. | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make people more aware of the time investment involved and maybe generate more donations. | 22:10 |
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| Woody14619 | I'd say, yes, that's a great reason to advertise it (and to hopefully garner a bit more of appreciation to those who volunteer their time for such). | 22:27 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Lava_Croft: any more information on swapset/flopswap issue? | 22:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maybe there should be a maemo | 22:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | .org IT twitter account. | 22:40 |
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| Lava_Croft | sixwheeledbeast: all i know is that swapset puts scripts in event.d that automagically mounts any swap partition it finds | 22:44 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | mmm | 22:44 |
| Lava_Croft | never realized it did that | 22:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have never used/or recommended swapset. Did you have issues yourself? | 22:46 |
| Lava_Croft | that was the first time i installed it, i always set swap to sd by hand | 22:47 |
| Lava_Croft | i was trying out options | 22:47 |
| Lava_Croft | it had no issues, but i guess mounting all swap it finds on boot is a bit err | 22:47 |
| Lava_Croft | silly | 22:47 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | yes | 23:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | the issue I have with swapset is compressing ram uses CPU and therefore battery. | 23:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | More is gained from Thumb IMO | 23:02 |
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