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| Apic | A splendid good Morning to You all. | 05:52 |
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| Gear_ | hey does anyone know of bicycle apps | 06:05 |
| Gear_ | or literally any bicycle app? | 06:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime | 07:21 |
| infobot | - Uptime for apt - | 07:21 |
| infobot | Now: 8h 30m 28s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux | 07:21 |
| infobot | 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 | 07:21 |
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| vi__ | ~tm0 | 10:32 |
| infobot | tm0 is probably trolls, mooses and orangutans | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: ?? | 10:39 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: ?? | 11:37 |
| vi__ | My n900 came back from the brink! | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !#@@?! | 11:37 |
| vi__ | The CMT is not fried at all. | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that's related to tm0 how? | 11:38 |
| vi__ | Would you believe a broken sim card? | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seen several times | 11:38 |
| vi__ | Well I have never seen one. | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seen cmt go X-[ for just a fsckdup entry in SMS | 11:39 |
| vi__ | the card contacts were worn through. | 11:39 |
| vi__ | Which I found surprising. | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | modem goes down and doesn't come back before you remove battery | 11:39 |
| vi__ | CMT cannot be that bad surely? | 11:39 |
| vi__ | aah. non permanent. | 11:39 |
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| rikanee | vi__: SIM cards… age? | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or was it a wrecked contact entry? can't recall | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway deleting all data from the SIM in another phone resurrected everything | 11:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I also can't recall if that's been BB5 or calypso modem | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | given the bizarre nature of the "defect" I'd bet on calyso though | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly borked SIM doesn't surprise me | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's rather the first thing I rule out when any cell connectivity issue | 11:44 |
| vi__ | rikanee: Obviously. But it is surprising to see worn out contacts on a part that is never moved. | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it doesn't help to test the suspicious SIM in another phone, since that other phone might have different VDD, clock, driver strength, whatnot else, for that SIM | 11:45 |
| rikanee | vi__: mmm. Might motivate me to finally ask my carrier to give me a new SIM. | 11:46 |
| rikanee | It's probably 6 years old by now. | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you got a type-1 SIM still, you might consider cloning it before you nuke it by asking your carrier for a replacement (which would place the old SIM on the "obsolete" list) | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 6 year old might almost give you a lucky type1 card ;-) | 11:48 |
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| vi__ | type1? | 11:59 |
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| vi__ | Please explain doc. | 11:59 |
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| jaska | aw, i had to replace my 1998 sim card because i needed the usim feature for it to work in .jp | 12:51 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why is cloning a card good? | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | becaue then you own it, and can do nifty things with it, even to the point of emulating it on a uC | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or e.g cram 10 virtual SIM onto one smart-SIM | 13:45 |
| kerio | neat | 13:46 |
| kerio | can we trick the n900's cmt and emulate a sim? | 13:46 |
| Veggen | Hmmm...how can you find info about your SIM card? | 13:46 |
| Veggen | i.e. how old it is? | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or save SIM swapping ebtween several devices - you then however should make damn sure you switch off all but one active device with 'same' SIM | 13:46 |
| Lava_Croft | my sim is still from my 5510 | 13:47 |
| Lava_Croft | even tho i hand to mangle it for the n9 | 13:47 |
| Lava_Croft | had* | 13:47 |
| Veggen | I guess it's operator dependent, though. | 13:47 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what happens, otherwise? | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Veggen: only by a printing at edge of SIM | 13:47 |
| kerio | except that it doesn't work | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: otherwise your carrier will frown | 13:47 |
| Lava_Croft | my carrier got angry last month | 13:48 |
| kerio | what did you do? | 13:48 |
| Lava_Croft | entire household was running off of N900 3G | 13:48 |
| kerio | haha | 13:48 |
| Lava_Croft | after 9gb, Vodafone started to write me letters | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, you have true flat? | 13:48 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: clearly not | 13:49 |
| Lava_Croft | they have a fair use policy which comes down to 10 times what the average person uses | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly ever seen some | 13:49 |
| Lava_Croft | which for vodafone comes to to 10x 80mb | 13:49 |
| Lava_Croft | a month | 13:49 |
| kerio | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah | 13:49 |
| Lava_Croft | even tho i have 1gb a month | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 13:49 |
| Lava_Croft | i asked them about the math | 13:49 |
| Lava_Croft | they couldnt explain | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, our "unlimited" is only 5GB | 13:49 |
| * kerio checks his network stats | 13:49 | |
| Lava_Croft | well, i dont mind fair use policies | 13:49 |
| Lava_Croft | they are good against the torrent whoring lamers that got their first PC last year | 13:49 |
| Lava_Croft | and now want to download the internet | 13:50 |
| vi__ | what happens if 2 devices witht he same imei appear on a network? | 13:50 |
| kerio | vi__: tears and sadness | 13:50 |
| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: i have unlimited tho, i just pay for 1gb a month | 13:50 |
| Lava_Croft | er dont have* | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: evidently such "fair use" is BS | 13:50 |
| Lava_Croft | and i dont think true unlimited exists | 13:50 |
| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: here its a remainder from early days of broadband | 13:50 |
| Lava_Croft | at least at my proper ISP | 13:51 |
| Lava_Croft | nowadays they just use it wrong | 13:51 |
| Lava_Croft | like an unwritten data cap | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here it's written in the fineprint | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after expiring your "flat" volume, you get throttled to GPRS or worse | 13:51 |
| Lava_Croft | well, some 'new' (probably just owned by a big telco) telco started that came with 'true' unlimited for 40euros a month | 13:52 |
| Lava_Croft | im always inclined to test the limits of their 'unlimited' | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | automatically, and nobody writing letters to you | 13:52 |
| Lava_Croft | they throttle here too | 13:52 |
| Lava_Croft | after a letter | 13:52 |
| kerio | the worst i've seen is "UNLIMITED*" | 13:52 |
| Lava_Croft | but they first contact you, which is friendly enough | 13:52 |
| kerio | *time | 13:52 |
| Lava_Croft | kerio: its like Unlimited Detail engine | 13:52 |
| Lava_Croft | its just technically impossible | 13:53 |
| Lava_Croft | hahahahahah DocScrutinizer05 | 13:53 |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: unlimited means that i should be able to connect at the beginning of the billing period, download and upload at full bandwidth until the end of the billing period, and only pay what i'm supposed to pay | 13:53 |
| Lava_Croft | Nokia NL replied to me | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: when they never completely stop delivering bits to you, they probably may call it unlimited anyway | 13:53 |
| Lava_Croft | they tell me i have to re-buy Billboard | 13:53 |
| Lava_Croft | because i downloaded it 10 times | 13:53 |
| kerio | what's Billboard? | 13:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: just that you never get any warranted bandwidth on cellular | 13:54 |
| kerio | oh of course | 13:55 |
| kerio | but one thing is not guaranteeing bandwidth, another is to throttle | 13:55 |
| Lava_Croft | kerio: low-power screen app for n9 | 13:55 |
| Lava_Croft | by thomas perl | 13:55 |
| Lava_Croft | damn handy app | 13:55 |
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| kerio | why is it funny? | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's "funny" >:-( | 13:56 |
| Lava_Croft | also | 13:56 |
| Lava_Croft | NokiaNL calls me Ken | 13:56 |
| Lava_Croft | even tho facebook clearly states im Kai | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another 2fair use" bullshit | 13:56 |
| Lava_Croft | and not the husband of Barbiue | 13:57 |
| Lava_Croft | this is exactly the reply from Nokia i wanted | 13:57 |
| Lava_Croft | i wonder if they are silly enough to keep this up until court | 13:57 |
| Lava_Croft | i doubt it | 13:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | \o7 | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ even | 13:57 |
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| Lava_Croft | lawyer still have nokia infos from the n900 problem | 13:58 |
| Lava_Croft | nearly took em to court over that | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget to include refund for cherry-SMS | 13:58 |
| Lava_Croft | haha | 13:58 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont get that sms | 13:58 |
| Lava_Croft | flash without sim, remove cherry | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, you send it | 13:58 |
| Lava_Croft | and just to be sure, i touch the file too | 13:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 13:58 |
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| Lava_Croft | hahahaha | 14:30 |
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| Lava_Croft | gg Nokia FB page | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | some guy with a Windows Phone Nokia tries to reset to factory defaults, but its taking over 12h | 14:30 |
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| Lava_Croft | Nokia replies that this process can take over 24h | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont know what the hell that process is doing, but wow | 14:31 |
| marcellux | it cannot take taht long | 14:31 |
| Lava_Croft | thats what Nokia reps reply to the guy | 14:31 |
| marcellux | you can connect the device to your PC and use the nokia pc suite | 14:32 |
| Lava_Croft | Nokia PC Suite is deprecated software | 14:32 |
| marcellux | there you have the option to reset the phone | 14:32 |
| marcellux | Hi. I need some help with my N900 and Flashplugin. I used to be able to play youtube videos and now not anymore... | 14:35 |
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| quit_ | is N9 true succesor to N900. ? | 18:45 |
| quit_ | or does any body know whether there is a chance to release 950 to public. or any chance to release a new model that can be considerd as succesor to n900 | 18:46 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | quit_: there isn't a successor to N900. | 18:47 |
| quit_ | my touch become bad, I was planning to replace it, so it was just a thought passing in through my mind. | 18:48 |
| quit_ | but I have seen N9 compared to 900 in many places. I know only a little about N9, if you can run maemo just as natively on n9. then? | 18:49 |
| quit_ | *little = less | 18:50 |
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| Lava_Croft | forget about maemo5 on n9 | 18:57 |
| Lava_Croft | the n9 is not a mobile computer like the n900, its a smartphone running a smartphone-ified version of maemo | 18:57 |
| quit_ | Is there any good powerful fone that can run maemo just like in N900.? | 18:58 |
| Lava_Croft | mostly it runs maemo too, but not quite the same maemo:X | 18:58 |
| Lava_Croft | no clue, probably not | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | n900 is the last of a kind | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kids laugh about true pocket computers nowadays. All they want is wazzup and facebook on their leet phone | 19:00 |
| Lava_Croft | well, who knows about jolla | 19:00 |
| Lava_Croft | or some other company in the future | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jolla sailfish is way too N9-HARMish | 19:01 |
| Lava_Croft | wazzup is really the reason you need a 1920x1080 screen too | 19:01 |
| Win7Mac | DocS, how do you know already? | 19:01 |
| Lava_Croft | have you seen the videos | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we seen plenty of presentations | 19:01 |
| Lava_Croft | so far it looks like a more developed harmattan | 19:02 |
| Lava_Croft | which isnt bad per se, but its not maemo5 | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 19:02 |
| Lava_Croft | but, stuff might/can change | 19:02 |
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| Lava_Croft | who knows a keyboard jolla gets a slighty different ui | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the question | 19:02 |
| Lava_Croft | we just dont know:) | 19:02 |
| Lava_Croft | but tbh, i can live with how it looks like now too | 19:02 |
| Lava_Croft | just give me hw keyb and proper landscape support | 19:02 |
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| Win7Mac | how it looks does not tell how it works... | 19:03 |
| Lava_Croft | im pragmatic | 19:03 |
| SAiF | I am being waiting long for a true successor. looks like my wait will never end. | 19:04 |
| Win7Mac | but it's unlikely that itzs as open as N900, agreed | 19:04 |
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| Lava_Croft | ill take anything thats kind of like n900 | 19:05 |
| Lava_Croft | but not so goddamn slow | 19:05 |
| SAiF | I still remember the first time I read ' enable RD mode to brake your device' | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: delete your events.db and you'll be amazed ;-P | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | break I guess | 19:06 |
| SAiF | ^^ lol english | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I honestly always thought that's pure sarcasm | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until I learned that R&D mode can actually get enabled vie flasher and it actually enables root access | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rootsh is simpler anyway | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bbl | 19:08 |
| Win7Mac | The #maemo-meeting will be saturday what time? | 19:09 |
| Win7Mac | *next | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ^^^ ? | 19:18 |
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| Win7Mac | oh, it's not set yet? - then probably just post date + time in #maemo-meeting channel any time so ppl can find it in log | 19:21 |
| Win7Mac | ...when you got it set | 19:21 |
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| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: its still fairly fresh:) | 20:08 |
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| parahumanoid | Hi to everyone. I need help with a boot loop problem. Detail here: http://pastebin.com/edA6VEM6 | 22:20 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | is there a simple-ish method of debugging the imap conversation modest has with a server? it's refusing to show gmail emails from a certain email from the 8th of this month on and I can't figure out why so far (tried a different imap client on my desktop and that didn't have problems) | 22:27 |
| Sicelo | update maemo.. it's fixed | 22:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | aah | 22:29 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | there's an update of the complete OS image? | 22:29 |
| Sicelo | OTA update. | 22:32 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ota? | 22:33 |
| Sicelo | over-the-air | 22:33 |
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| Sicelo | it is not in a image.. it's just a fix which updates the affected packages | 22:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | thought they all are :) | 22:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm | 22:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't show pending updates... | 22:34 |
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| freemangordon | parahumanoid: by using flasher, disable lifeguard resets | 22:42 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hmp. KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 might explain that ... or maybe not. depends if that disrupts apt-get update or not (which it shouldn't) | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | that way dsme won;t reset the device when some process it babysits crash | 22:43 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh... servers moved? | 22:43 |
| parahumanoid | freemangordon: what's dsme? | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | ~dsme | 22:44 |
| infobot | somebody said dsme was Device State Management Entity | 22:44 |
| parahumanoid | sounds sinister... | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: by disabling lifegueard resets, the device won;t get restarted | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: what OS do you use? | 22:45 |
| parahumanoid | OK, if you don't mind bearing with me, I'll start the whole thing and will inform you step by step what I do. | 22:45 |
| parahumanoid | fremantle | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | on the PC ;) | 22:45 |
| parahumanoid | xp | 22:45 |
| Sicelo | :P | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: good, XP here too | 22:46 |
| parahumanoid | ok, I'm in r&d now, let me exit and start over, just to make sure the sequence is right. | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: "flasher-3.5.exe --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R" | 22:47 |
| Sicelo | CutMeOwnThroat: they did 'move' .. but as far as your device is concerned, they didn't move ;) | 22:48 |
| Sicelo | and yes, the cert is expired. | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: any idea what process crashes? | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | s/what/which/ | 22:48 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: parahumanoid: any idea which process crashes? | 22:48 |
| parahumanoid | nope | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | do you have an yellow banner with "application ... closed"? | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: however, lets do ^^^ | 22:49 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | Sicelo, yeah... is that fix in the package modest or somewhere else? says modest is already the newest version... | 22:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | bah.. I was kinda ignoring that it's a computer and treated it as a phone :-/ | 22:51 |
| Sicelo | ask freemangordon :P | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: hmm? | 22:53 |
| parahumanoid | No, no banner. I have a different problem though. I did this: | 22:53 |
| parahumanoid | ./flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd ./flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=no-ext-wd | 22:53 |
| Sicelo | at least in both CSSU.. it is fixed. don't know about stock | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: do "flasher-3.5.exe --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R" | 22:53 |
| parahumanoid | and now it shows a unit with a wrench under the Nokia logo and I can't get it to be seen by the flasher. | 22:53 |
| parahumanoid | I typed what you said, but it keeps waiting for a suitable device. | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: do you know on what kernel did you have installed? | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: what is fixed? | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | modest gmail? | 22:54 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yeah | 22:55 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | apparently | 22:55 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | ah, found the thread on talk.maemo.org... t=90399 | 22:56 |
| freemangordon | CutMeOwnThroat: the fix is in tinymail package | 22:56 |
| freemangordon | CutMeOwnThroat: but I recommend installing CSSU, as upgrading only that package is neither tested nor supported | 22:57 |
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| Sicelo | sorry freemangordon. had connectivity issues. but yes, that what ^^ | 22:59 |
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| parahumanoid | ok, guys, i'm back. my pc bluescreened. | 23:01 |
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| parahumanoid | sorry for the interruption. | 23:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | freemangordon, hadn't heard of it yet... as everything kept mostly working as it should, I took a break from putting time in... reading on it now | 23:01 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: the wonders of windoze :D | 23:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | you know there's a blue-screen screensaver? you can have lots of fun with it | 23:02 |
| parahumanoid | no, it was the wonder of a laptop that's no fully assembled. when I pulled on a usb cable I managed to pull the hdd caddy. I guess it's not good for the running os. :-) | 23:02 |
| Sicelo | lol. wow :) | 23:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | friend of mine installed it in 2000 or so... wasn't a week before he rebooted his machine because of it | 23:02 |
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| parahumanoid | I don't recall when the last time all my computers were fully assembled was. I'm always messing with them, so the covers are off most of the time. | 23:03 |
| parahumanoid | anyhow, back to the brick. | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: what about the kernel? | 23:04 |
| parahumanoid | I don't know, whatever came standard with the 1.3 firmware. I didn't deliberately change the kernel. | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | hmm, ok | 23:04 |
| parahumanoid | Nor do I think that it could get changed as a chain effect of anything that I did. | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: so, even after the reflash you were in bootloop? | 23:05 |
| parahumanoid | oh, no, I booted fine after a reflash. | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: oh, it got bricked after you restore from BM? | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | I see | 23:06 |
| parahumanoid | however, when I installed backupmenu and restored from one of the latest backups it went into a loop. | 23:06 |
| parahumanoid | yep | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: so, what do you try to achieve then? | 23:06 |
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| freemangordon | I mean - just reflash and you're ok | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: why do you need to restore from a broken backup? | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/contact | 23:13 |
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| parahumanoid | sorry for dropping out, something hanged. | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ tool for "browsing the contacts db" | 23:13 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: thanks | 23:13 |
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| freemangordon | parahumanoid: see what doc posted | 23:13 |
| parahumanoid | I just missed that. | 23:14 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: though I doubt that will help him, as his PC OS is XP | 23:14 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: 23:13 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/contact | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what's the problem | 23:14 |
| freemangordon | python on windows? | 23:14 |
| freemangordon | it IS possible, sure | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bootloop after BM restore? check your kernel version matching the modules! | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | but I guess it will be much faster to restore the device to a working condition than to install msys/cygwin | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: he is almost sure he was on stock | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | (kernel) | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I am almost sure that's incorrect | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check kernel modules in BM tarball! | 23:16 |
| parahumanoid | if I recall right, there was a company that made a bunch of providers for windows including php, python, perl and a few more. Besides, I don't mind linux, I can get one up and running on a remote lab machine I use. | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: it is up to you ofc, but trust me, restoring your device will be much easier | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: do what DocScrutinizer05 said, check your /lib/modules for the kernel version. in BM tarball | 23:17 |
| parahumanoid | just a minute. | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | selective resoring via tar xzf | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | busy | 23:18 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: flashin the kernel via flasher would be easier IMO | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends on what he wants to achive | 23:19 |
| parahumanoid | that would be a rootfs tarball right? | 23:19 |
| freemangordon | that is still unclear to me :) | 23:19 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: yep | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, the easiest is to flash proper matching kernel prior to restoring via BM | 23:19 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what about after? | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after? | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | after restoring rootfs | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you dare | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm? dare what? | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however I doubt the system will come up from BM after restoring a rootfs with conflicting kernel modules | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I don;t know how BM restore works, but if rootfs is fine and we have the correct modules in /lib/modules, flashing the matching kernel will fix it | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you probably FIRST should flash the kernel that matches your BM backup tarball, only THEN restore that tarball via BM | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BM only accessed during boot, right? | 23:22 |
| parahumanoid | ok, in lib/modules I have two folders: "2.6.28.10-cssu3" and "2.6.28-omap1" and a file "current" with 0b size. | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no idea | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: ooh | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: WUT?? | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: did you have CSSU-thumb by chance? | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: still no BM here :) | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like you never used BM | 23:23 |
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| freemangordon | yep | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it hooks into bootmenu | 23:23 |
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| freemangordon | I love to live on the edge :P | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL yeah, that sounds like thumb | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kernel | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who owes me that beer now? | 23:24 |
| parahumanoid | maybe. It's frankly not my unit, my friend's. He kills it once in a while because he apparently likes to try things, but I've always been able to handle it. I guess not this time. | 23:24 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: get http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/pool/free/k/kernel-cssu/kernel-cssu_2.6.28-10cssu3_armel.deb | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | parahumanoid: well, you ran into the exactly right person ;-D | 23:25 |
| parahumanoid | I certainly recally thumb being mentioned somewhere. and as I don't own a n900 of my own, that would have to be connected with this unit. | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | listen to what freemangordon tells you | 23:25 |
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| parahumanoid | So before pulling the backup, I need to first installe the cssu? | 23:26 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: after getting the .deb, extract it. 7-zip can handle .deb files | 23:26 |
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| freemangordon | parahumanoid: that's one way to do it, but it is way slower, so do ^^^ | 23:26 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | what I don't understand is... if it's a friend who likes to try things... why doesn't he try to fix it up himself again? | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [general advice] ALWAYS remember (or check in tarball) which kernel the backupmenu archive been based on. Flash SAME kernel FIRST, only *then* restore BM backup - otherwise you run into bootloop | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: can't he simply *install* the thumb-kernel? | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: extract zImage-2.6.28.10-cssu3.fiasco from the .deb, it is in "..\data.tar.gz\data.tar\.\boot\" | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it will be slower, as he have to reflash once again, to enable repos, etc | 23:29 |
| parahumanoid | Because he is not computer-literate much. He just got his first PC, until now he was being introduced to the digital things by first tinkering with his Symbian phone (I had one with the same platform at the time), then it was the WinMo 6.1, then Maemo. He's definitely bitten off too much when he got a linux unit. | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UGH what? the kernel.deb includes a .fiasco?? | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | ;) | 23:29 |
| Lava_Croft | inb4 lecture | 23:30 |
| * Lava_Croft chuckles | 23:30 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | parahumanoid, unsuccessful trying to fix it for half a year to a year would surely be educational, though? :D | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: then run "flasher-3.5.exe -F zImage-2.6.28.10-cssu3.fiasco --flash-only=kernel -R" | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: you should be fine after that | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suggestion: install proper rootsh blocker ;-P | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 23:31 |
| parahumanoid | Cruel too. The funny thing is, I was the one who recommended N900 when he mentioned he wanted a unit with broad abilities. So, I'm kind of responsible for giving the grenade to a kid. | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: will your kernel run with stock... err you'Re fixing the bootlooping device, right? right??? :-D | 23:32 |
| parahumanoid | freemangordon: I need to get out of r&d but can't. | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: you can get out of R&D later | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you're clearly outsmarting me | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm? | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: do what I said ^^^, will fix R&D once you;re out of the bootloop | 23:34 |
| parahumanoid | not the point, please help me get out of it now. It's not behaving as expected. | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought you flash thumb-kernel to a device with stock rootfs | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that would be silly, I guess | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, it will be :) | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when the device bootloops now, it's perfectly prepared for thumb-kernel ;-P | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're right this is WAAAAAY faster | 23:35 |
| parahumanoid | so, the usb is in PC, but not in N900, the unit has the battery removed, keyboard closed. What next? | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | start the flasher cmd | 23:35 |
| parahumanoid | I have the cmd up and in the flasher dir | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flasher-3.5.exe -F zImage-2.6.28.10-cssu3.fiasco --flash-only=kernel -R | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shoot | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 23:36 |
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| parahumanoid | just a sec. | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then plug in USB to N900, then insert battery while holding "U" key | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another 40 min "wasted" | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I need to do my laundry | 23:37 |
| freemangordon | hmm, which reminds me... | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | I am in the same situation :D | 23:38 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | that sounds like some black magic ritual: "then plug in USB to N900, then insert battery while holding "U" key" | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | CutMeOwnThroat: it is all about the black magic :) | 23:38 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | "sacrifice a chicken and dance the samba around it four times" | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | samba? oh, no, black metal that is :D | 23:39 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | like... silver? | 23:40 |
| parahumanoid | freemangordon, so ok, it's waiting for me to connect. as I said before, the unit is with battery removed, kbd closed, usb not plugged. What is the order to get it seen by the flasher? The standard "hold the 'U' " procedure is not working. | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | open the keyboard, connect USB cable, press'n'hold U, insert the battery | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | keeping the 'U' pressed until it starts to flash | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when the device doesn't show USB symbol upper right corner of the NOKIA screen and instead tries boting and loops, then your battery is too empty | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're in a pinch then | 23:45 |
| parahumanoid | damn, that took a while for it to come on. I got a few more gray hairs. | 23:46 |
| parahumanoid | what next. | 23:46 |
| parahumanoid | ? | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you're lucky and device boots unto backupmenu menu, since that is supposed to charge battery (when sufficiently recent) | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you probably flashed and watched the device boot? | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what do you mean by COME UP? | 23:47 |
| parahumanoid | "to come on" = to power on | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what does you flasher command on PC tell you? | 23:47 |
| parahumanoid | seems to have flashed the kernel. dump in a sec. | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and what exactly is "power on"? | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: power it on | 23:48 |
| parahumanoid | Image 'kernel', size 1744 kB Version 2.6.28.10-cssu3 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x0 105. Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204 NOLO version 1.4.14 Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 | 23:48 |
| parahumanoid | seems ok so far. | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it flashed kernel, -Rebooted, and now it probably got stuck on you still holdimg U key ;-D | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | oh, come on | 23:49 |
| freemangordon | :D | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I guess | 23:49 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: what it is doing now? (the device) | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, what does it show? | 23:50 |
| parahumanoid | absolutely nothing. dark screen, doesn't power on. | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it might actually already be powered on | 23:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, thanks for the hints so far... running backup now... perhaps really will try to just get the libtinymail package updated... going to the US mid-july and the N900 will be my "laptop"... so not too keen on exchanging lots of packages... as that inadvertedly means new bug^H^H^Hfeatures | 23:51 |
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| parahumanoid | ok, so I have it lit up, the usb token showing in the upper right corner, and a wrench and a tablet unit icon under the Nokia logo. | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | parahumanoid: has flasher command returned? | 23:52 |
| Sicelo | CutMeOwnThroat: get cssu-stable | 23:52 |
| parahumanoid | yes, I already posted the cmd dump | 23:52 |
| parahumanoid | scroll up | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, you're in flasher mode and R&D mode | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: power it off, close the keyboard and power it on again | 23:53 |
| parahumanoid | is it the right time to --disable-rd-mode? Or is there more we need to do? | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it still shows the USB symbol, releast the "U" key and unplug from USB | 23:53 |
| parahumanoid | This flag is persistent between boots, tested that already. | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: let it boot to Maemo once, will disable R&D after that | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | parahumanoid: yep, it is, it is written in CAL | 23:54 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | Sicelo, yes... that was the next plan... but backups first | 23:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 waits for "what is CAL?" | 23:55 | |
| freemangordon | :) | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | ~CAl | 23:55 |
| infobot | hmm... cal is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 | 23:55 |
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