IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-06-24

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ApicA splendid good Morning to You all.05:52
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Gear_hey does anyone know of bicycle apps06:05
Gear_or literally any bicycle app?06:05
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Apic▶ Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb06:14
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infobot- Uptime for apt -07:21
infobotNow: 8h 30m 28s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux07:21
infobot1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 201007:21
infobot2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 200907:21
infobot3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 200907:21
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infobottm0 is probably trolls, mooses and orangutans10:33
DocScrutinizer05vi__: ??10:39
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vi__DocScrutinizer05: ??11:37
vi__My n900 came back from the brink!11:37
vi__The CMT is not fried at all.11:38
DocScrutinizer05and that's related to tm0 how?11:38
vi__Would you believe a broken sim card?11:38
DocScrutinizer05seen several times11:38
vi__Well I have never seen one.11:38
DocScrutinizer05I seen cmt go X-[ for just a fsckdup entry in SMS11:39
vi__the card contacts were worn through.11:39
vi__Which I found surprising.11:39
DocScrutinizer05modem goes down and doesn't come back before you remove battery11:39
vi__CMT cannot be that bad surely?11:39
vi__aah.  non permanent.11:39
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rikaneevi__: SIM cards… age?11:40
DocScrutinizer05or was it a wrecked contact entry? can't recall11:40
DocScrutinizer05anyway deleting all data from the SIM in another phone resurrected everything11:41
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DocScrutinizer05I also can't recall if that's been BB5 or calypso modem11:42
DocScrutinizer05given the bizarre nature of the "defect" I'd bet on calyso though11:43
DocScrutinizer05but honestly borked SIM doesn't surprise me11:44
DocScrutinizer05it's rather the first thing I rule out when any cell connectivity issue11:44
vi__rikanee: Obviously.  But it is surprising to see worn out contacts on a part that is never moved.11:45
DocScrutinizer05and it doesn't help to test the suspicious SIM in another phone, since that other phone might have different VDD, clock, driver strength, whatnot else, for that SIM11:45
rikaneevi__: mmm. Might motivate me to finally ask my carrier to give me a new SIM.11:46
rikaneeIt's probably 6 years old by now.11:46
DocScrutinizer05if you got a type-1 SIM still, you might consider cloning it before you nuke it by asking your carrier for a replacement (which would place the old SIM on the "obsolete" list)11:47
DocScrutinizer056 year old might almost give you a lucky type1 card ;-)11:48
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vi__Please explain doc.11:59
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jaskaaw, i had to replace my 1998 sim card because i needed the usim feature for it to work in .jp12:51
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: why is cloning a card good?13:43
DocScrutinizer05becaue then you own it, and can do nifty things with it, even to the point of emulating it on a uC13:45
DocScrutinizer05or e.g cram 10 virtual SIM onto one smart-SIM13:45
keriocan we trick the n900's cmt and emulate a sim?13:46 can you find info about your SIM card?13:46
Veggeni.e. how old it is?13:46
DocScrutinizer05or save SIM swapping ebtween several devices - you then however should make damn sure you switch off all but one active device with 'same' SIM13:46
Lava_Croftmy sim is still from my 551013:47
Lava_Crofteven tho i hand to mangle it for the n913:47
VeggenI guess it's operator dependent, though.13:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: what happens, otherwise?13:47
DocScrutinizer05Veggen: only by a printing at edge of SIM13:47
kerioexcept that it doesn't work13:47
DocScrutinizer05kerio: otherwise your carrier will frown13:47
Lava_Croftmy carrier got angry last month13:48
keriowhat did you do?13:48
Lava_Croftentire household was running off of N900 3G13:48
Lava_Croftafter 9gb, Vodafone started to write me letters13:48
DocScrutinizer05hah, you have true flat?13:48
kerioDocScrutinizer05: clearly not13:49
Lava_Croftthey have a fair use policy which comes down to 10 times what the average person uses13:49
DocScrutinizer05hardly ever seen some13:49
Lava_Croftwhich for vodafone comes to to 10x 80mb13:49
Lava_Crofta month13:49
Lava_Crofteven tho i have 1gb a month13:49
Lava_Crofti asked them about the math13:49
Lava_Croftthey couldnt explain13:49
DocScrutinizer05though, our "unlimited" is only 5GB13:49
* kerio checks his network stats13:49
Lava_Croftwell, i dont mind fair use policies13:49
Lava_Croftthey are good against the torrent whoring lamers that got their first PC last year13:49
Lava_Croftand now want to download the internet13:50
vi__what happens if 2 devices witht he same imei appear on a network?13:50
keriovi__: tears and sadness13:50
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: i have unlimited tho, i just pay for 1gb a month13:50
Lava_Crofter dont have*13:50
DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: evidently such "fair use" is BS13:50
Lava_Croftand i dont think true unlimited exists13:50
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: here its a remainder from early days of broadband13:50
Lava_Croftat least at my proper ISP13:51
Lava_Croftnowadays they just use it wrong13:51
Lava_Croftlike an unwritten data cap13:51
DocScrutinizer05here it's written in the fineprint13:51
DocScrutinizer05after expiring your "flat" volume, you get throttled to GPRS or worse13:51
Lava_Croftwell, some 'new' (probably just owned by a big telco) telco started that came with 'true' unlimited for 40euros a month13:52
Lava_Croftim always inclined to test the limits of their 'unlimited'13:52
DocScrutinizer05automatically, and nobody writing letters to you13:52
Lava_Croftthey throttle here too13:52
Lava_Croftafter a letter13:52
keriothe worst i've seen is "UNLIMITED*"13:52
Lava_Croftbut they first contact you, which is friendly enough13:52
Lava_Croftkerio: its like Unlimited Detail engine13:52
Lava_Croftits just technically impossible13:53
Lava_Crofthahahahahah DocScrutinizer0513:53
kerioLava_Croft: unlimited means that i should be able to connect at the beginning of the billing period, download and upload at full bandwidth until the end of the billing period, and only pay what i'm supposed to pay13:53
Lava_CroftNokia NL replied to me13:53
DocScrutinizer05kerio: when they never completely stop delivering bits to you, they probably may call it unlimited anyway13:53
Lava_Croftthey tell me i have to re-buy Billboard13:53
Lava_Croftbecause i downloaded it 10 times13:53
keriowhat's Billboard?13:54
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: just that you never get any warranted bandwidth on cellular13:54
keriooh of course13:55
keriobut one thing is not guaranteeing bandwidth, another is to throttle13:55
Lava_Croftkerio: low-power screen app for n913:55
Lava_Croftby thomas perl13:55
Lava_Croftdamn handy app13:55
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keriowhy is it funny?13:56
DocScrutinizer05it's "funny" >:-(13:56
Lava_CroftNokiaNL calls me Ken13:56
Lava_Crofteven tho facebook clearly states im Kai13:56
DocScrutinizer05another 2fair use" bullshit13:56
Lava_Croftand not the husband of Barbiue13:57
Lava_Croftthis is exactly the reply from Nokia i wanted13:57
Lava_Crofti wonder if they are silly enough to keep this up until court13:57
Lava_Crofti doubt it13:57
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DocScrutinizer05\o/ even13:57
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Lava_Croftlawyer still have nokia infos from the n900 problem13:58
Lava_Croftnearly took em to court over that13:58
DocScrutinizer05don't forget to include refund for cherry-SMS13:58
Lava_Crofti dont get that sms13:58
Lava_Croftflash without sim, remove cherry13:58
DocScrutinizer05no, you send it13:58
Lava_Croftand just to be sure, i touch the file too13:58
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Lava_Croftgg Nokia FB page14:30
Lava_Croftsome guy with a Windows Phone Nokia tries to reset to factory defaults, but its taking over 12h14:30
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Lava_CroftNokia replies that this process can take over 24h14:30
Lava_Crofti dont know what the hell that process is doing, but wow14:31
marcelluxit cannot take taht long14:31
Lava_Croftthats what Nokia reps reply to the guy14:31
marcelluxyou can connect the device to your PC and use the nokia pc suite14:32
Lava_CroftNokia PC Suite is deprecated software14:32
marcelluxthere you have the option to reset the phone14:32
marcelluxHi. I need some help with my N900 and Flashplugin. I used to be able to play youtube videos and now not anymore...14:35
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quit_is N9 true succesor to N900. ?18:45
quit_or does any body know whether there is a chance to release 950 to public. or any chance to release a new model that can be considerd as succesor to n90018:46
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sixwheeledbeastquit_: there isn't a successor to N900.18:47
quit_my touch become bad, I was planning to replace it, so it was just a thought passing in through my mind.18:48
quit_but I have seen N9 compared to 900 in many places. I know only a little about N9, if you can run maemo just as natively on n9. then?18:49
quit_*little = less18:50
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Lava_Croftforget about maemo5 on n918:57
Lava_Croftthe n9 is not a mobile computer like the n900, its a smartphone running a smartphone-ified version of maemo18:57
quit_Is there any good powerful fone that can run maemo just like in N900.?18:58
Lava_Croftmostly it runs maemo too, but not quite the same maemo:X18:58
Lava_Croftno clue, probably not18:58
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DocScrutinizer05n900 is the last of a kind18:59
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DocScrutinizer05kids laugh about true pocket computers nowadays. All they want is wazzup and facebook on their leet phone19:00
Lava_Croftwell, who knows about jolla19:00
Lava_Croftor some other company in the future19:00
DocScrutinizer05jolla sailfish is way too N9-HARMish19:01
Lava_Croftwazzup is really the reason you need a 1920x1080 screen too19:01
Win7MacDocS, how do you know already?19:01
Lava_Crofthave you seen the videos19:01
DocScrutinizer05we seen plenty of presentations19:01
Lava_Croftso far it looks like a more developed harmattan19:02
Lava_Croftwhich isnt bad per se, but its not maemo519:02
Lava_Croftbut, stuff might/can change19:02
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Lava_Croftwho knows a keyboard jolla gets a slighty different ui19:02
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DocScrutinizer05that's the question19:02
Lava_Croftwe just dont know:)19:02
Lava_Croftbut tbh, i can live with how it looks like now too19:02
Lava_Croftjust give me hw keyb and proper landscape support19:02
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* DocScrutinizer05 not19:02
Win7Machow it looks does not tell how it works...19:03
Lava_Croftim pragmatic19:03
SAiFI am being waiting long for a true successor. looks like my wait will never end.19:04
Win7Macbut it's unlikely that itzs as open as N900, agreed19:04
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Lava_Croftill take anything thats kind of like n90019:05
Lava_Croftbut not so goddamn slow19:05
SAiFI still remember the first time I read ' enable RD mode to brake your device'19:05
DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: delete your events.db and you'll be amazed ;-P19:06
DocScrutinizer05break I guess19:06
SAiF^^ lol english19:06
DocScrutinizer05and I honestly always thought that's pure sarcasm19:07
DocScrutinizer05until I learned that R&D mode can actually get enabled vie flasher and it actually enables root access19:07
DocScrutinizer05rootsh is simpler anyway19:08
Win7MacThe #maemo-meeting will be saturday what time?19:09
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: ^^^ ?19:18
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Win7Macoh, it's not set yet? - then probably just post date + time in #maemo-meeting channel any time so ppl can find it in log19:21
Win7Mac...when you got it set19:21
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SAiFgood nite20:08
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Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: its still fairly fresh:)20:08
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parahumanoidHi to everyone.  I need help with a boot loop problem.  Detail here:
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CutMeOwnThroatis there a simple-ish method of debugging the imap conversation modest has with a server? it's refusing to show gmail emails from a certain email from the 8th of this month on and I can't figure out why so far (tried a different imap client on my desktop and that didn't have problems)22:27
Siceloupdate maemo.. it's fixed22:28
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CutMeOwnThroatthere's an update of the complete OS image?22:29
SiceloOTA update.22:32
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Siceloit is not in a image.. it's just a fix which updates the affected packages22:34
CutMeOwnThroatthought they all are :)22:34
CutMeOwnThroatit doesn't show pending updates...22:34
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freemangordonparahumanoid: by using flasher, disable lifeguard resets22:42
CutMeOwnThroathmp. KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 might explain that ... or maybe not. depends if that disrupts apt-get update or not (which it shouldn't)22:42
freemangordonthat way dsme won;t reset the device when some process it babysits crash22:43
CutMeOwnThroatoh... servers moved?22:43
parahumanoidfreemangordon: what's dsme?22:43
infobotsomebody said dsme was Device State Management Entity22:44
parahumanoidsounds sinister...22:44
freemangordonparahumanoid: by disabling lifegueard resets, the device won;t get restarted22:45
freemangordonparahumanoid: what OS do you use?22:45
parahumanoidOK, if you don't mind bearing with me, I'll start the whole thing and will inform you step by step what I do.22:45
freemangordonon the PC ;)22:45
freemangordonparahumanoid: good, XP here too22:46
parahumanoidok, I'm in r&d now, let me exit and start over, just to make sure the sequence is right.22:46
freemangordonparahumanoid: "flasher-3.5.exe --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R"22:47
SiceloCutMeOwnThroat: they did 'move' .. but as far as your device is concerned, they didn't move ;)22:48
Siceloand yes, the cert is expired.22:48
freemangordonparahumanoid: any idea  what process crashes?22:48
infobotfreemangordon meant: parahumanoid: any idea  which process crashes?22:48
freemangordondo you have an yellow banner with "application ... closed"?22:49
freemangordonparahumanoid: however, lets do ^^^22:49
CutMeOwnThroatSicelo, yeah... is that fix in the package modest or somewhere else? says modest is already the newest version...22:51
CutMeOwnThroatbah.. I was kinda ignoring that it's a computer and treated it as a phone :-/22:51
Siceloask freemangordon :P22:53
freemangordonSicelo: hmm?22:53
parahumanoidNo, no banner.  I have a different problem though.  I did this:22:53
parahumanoid./flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd ./flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=no-ext-wd22:53
Siceloat least in both CSSU.. it is fixed. don't know about stock22:53
freemangordonparahumanoid: do  "flasher-3.5.exe --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R"22:53
parahumanoidand now it shows a unit with a wrench under the Nokia logo and I can't get it to be seen by the flasher.22:53
parahumanoidI typed what you said, but it keeps waiting for a suitable device.22:54
freemangordonparahumanoid: do you know on what kernel did you have installed?22:54
freemangordonSicelo: what is fixed?22:54
freemangordonmodest gmail?22:54
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CutMeOwnThroatah, found the thread on t=9039922:56
freemangordonCutMeOwnThroat: the fix is in tinymail package22:56
freemangordonCutMeOwnThroat: but I recommend installing CSSU, as upgrading only that package is neither tested nor supported22:57
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Sicelosorry freemangordon. had connectivity issues. but yes, that what ^^22:59
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parahumanoidok, guys, i'm back.  my pc bluescreened.23:01
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parahumanoidsorry for the interruption.23:01
CutMeOwnThroatfreemangordon, hadn't heard of it yet... as everything kept mostly working as it should, I took a break from putting time in... reading on it now23:01
freemangordonparahumanoid: the wonders of windoze :D23:01
CutMeOwnThroatyou know there's a blue-screen screensaver? you can have lots of fun with it23:02
parahumanoidno, it was the wonder of a laptop that's no fully assembled.  when I pulled on a usb cable I managed to pull the hdd caddy.  I guess it's not good for the running os. :-)23:02
Sicelolol. wow :)23:02
CutMeOwnThroatfriend of mine installed it in 2000 or so... wasn't a week before he rebooted his machine because of it23:02
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parahumanoidI don't recall when the last time all my computers were fully assembled was.  I'm always messing with them, so the covers are off most of the time.23:03
parahumanoidanyhow, back to the brick.23:04
freemangordonparahumanoid: what about the kernel?23:04
parahumanoidI don't know, whatever came standard with the 1.3 firmware.  I didn't deliberately change the kernel.23:04
freemangordonhmm, ok23:04
parahumanoidNor do I think that it could get changed as a chain effect of anything that I did.23:05
freemangordonparahumanoid: so, even after the reflash you were in bootloop?23:05
parahumanoidoh, no, I booted fine after a reflash.23:05
freemangordonparahumanoid: oh, it got bricked after you restore from BM?23:06
freemangordonI see23:06
parahumanoidhowever, when I installed backupmenu and restored from one of the latest backups it went into a loop.23:06
freemangordonparahumanoid: so, what do you try to achieve then?23:06
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freemangordonI mean - just reflash and you're ok23:06
freemangordonparahumanoid: why do you need to restore from a broken backup?23:07
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parahumanoidsorry for dropping out, something hanged.23:13
DocScrutinizer05^^^ tool for "browsing the contacts db"23:13
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: thanks23:13
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freemangordonparahumanoid: see what doc posted23:13
parahumanoidI just missed that.23:14
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: though I doubt that will help him, as his PC OS is XP23:14
freemangordonparahumanoid: 23:13 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon:
DocScrutinizer05nfc what's the problem23:14
freemangordonpython on windows?23:14
freemangordonit IS possible, sure23:15
DocScrutinizer05bootloop after BM restore? check your kernel version matching the modules!23:15
freemangordonbut I guess it will be much faster to restore the device to a working condition than to install msys/cygwin23:15
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: he is almost sure he was on stock23:16
DocScrutinizer05I am almost sure that's incorrect23:16
DocScrutinizer05check kernel modules in BM tarball!23:16
parahumanoidif I recall right, there was a company that made a bunch of providers for windows including php, python, perl and a few more.  Besides, I don't mind linux, I can get one up and running on a remote lab machine I use.23:16
freemangordonparahumanoid: it is up to you ofc, but trust me, restoring your device will be much easier23:17
freemangordonparahumanoid: do what DocScrutinizer05 said, check your /lib/modules for the kernel version. in BM tarball23:17
parahumanoidjust a minute.23:18
DocScrutinizer05selective resoring via tar xzf23:18
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: flashin the kernel via flasher would be easier IMO23:18
DocScrutinizer05depends on what he wants to achive23:19
parahumanoidthat would be a rootfs tarball right?23:19
freemangordonthat is still unclear to me :)23:19
freemangordonparahumanoid: yep23:19
DocScrutinizer05sure, the easiest is to flash proper matching kernel prior to restoring via BM23:19
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: what about after?23:19
freemangordonafter restoring rootfs23:20
DocScrutinizer05if you dare23:20
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hmm? dare what?23:20
DocScrutinizer05however I doubt the system will come up from BM after restoring a rootfs with conflicting kernel modules23:20
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I don;t know how BM restore works, but if rootfs is fine and we have the correct modules in /lib/modules, flashing the matching kernel will fix it23:21
DocScrutinizer05so you probably FIRST should flash the kernel that matches your BM backup tarball, only THEN restore that tarball via BM23:21
DocScrutinizer05BM only accessed during boot, right?23:22
parahumanoidok, in lib/modules I have two folders: "" and "2.6.28-omap1" and a file "current" with 0b size.23:22
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no idea23:22
freemangordonparahumanoid: ooh23:22
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: WUT??23:22
freemangordonparahumanoid: did you have CSSU-thumb by chance?23:22
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: still no BM here :)23:23
DocScrutinizer05sounds like you never used BM23:23
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DocScrutinizer05it hooks into bootmenu23:23
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freemangordonI love to live on the edge :P23:23
DocScrutinizer05LOL yeah, that sounds like thumb23:24
DocScrutinizer05who owes me that beer now?23:24
parahumanoidmaybe.  It's frankly not my unit, my friend's.  He kills it once in a while because he apparently likes to try things, but I've always been able to handle it.  I guess not this time.23:24
freemangordonparahumanoid: get
DocScrutinizer05parahumanoid: well, you ran into the exactly right person ;-D23:25
parahumanoidI certainly recally thumb being mentioned somewhere.  and as I don't own a n900 of my own, that would have to be connected with this unit.23:25
DocScrutinizer05listen to what freemangordon tells you23:25
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parahumanoidSo before pulling the backup, I need to first installe the cssu?23:26
freemangordonparahumanoid: after getting the .deb, extract it. 7-zip can handle .deb files23:26
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freemangordonparahumanoid: that's one way to do it, but it is way slower, so do ^^^23:26
CutMeOwnThroatwhat I don't understand is... if it's a friend who likes to try things... why doesn't he try to fix it up himself again?23:27
DocScrutinizer05[general advice] ALWAYS remember (or check in tarball) which kernel the backupmenu archive been based on. Flash SAME kernel FIRST, only *then* restore BM backup - otherwise you run into bootloop23:27
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: can't he simply *install* the thumb-kernel?23:28
freemangordonparahumanoid: extract zImage- from the .deb, it is in "..\data.tar.gz\data.tar\.\boot\"23:28
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: it will be slower, as he have to reflash once again, to enable repos, etc23:29
parahumanoidBecause he is not computer-literate much.  He just got his first PC, until now he was being introduced to the digital things by first tinkering with his Symbian phone (I had one with the same platform at the time), then it was the WinMo 6.1, then Maemo.  He's definitely bitten off too much when he got a linux unit.23:29
DocScrutinizer05UGH what? the kernel.deb includes a .fiasco??23:29
Lava_Croftinb4 lecture23:30
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CutMeOwnThroatparahumanoid, unsuccessful trying to fix it for half a year to a year would surely be educational, though? :D23:30
freemangordonparahumanoid: then run "flasher-3.5.exe -F zImage- --flash-only=kernel -R"23:31
freemangordonparahumanoid: you should be fine after that23:31
DocScrutinizer05suggestion: install proper rootsh blocker ;-P23:31
parahumanoidCruel too.  The funny thing is, I was the one who recommended N900 when he mentioned he wanted a unit with broad abilities.  So, I'm kind of responsible for giving the grenade to a kid.23:32
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: will your kernel run with stock... err you'Re fixing the bootlooping device, right? right??? :-D23:32
parahumanoidfreemangordon:  I need to get out of r&d but can't.23:32
freemangordonparahumanoid: you can get out of R&D later23:32
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: you're clearly outsmarting me23:32
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hmm?23:33
freemangordonparahumanoid: do what I said ^^^, will fix R&D once you;re out of the bootloop23:34
parahumanoidnot the point, please help me get out of it now.  It's not behaving as expected.23:34
DocScrutinizer05I thought you flash thumb-kernel to a device with stock rootfs23:34
DocScrutinizer05but that would be silly, I guess23:34
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yeah, it will be :)23:34
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DocScrutinizer05when the device bootloops now, it's perfectly prepared for thumb-kernel ;-P23:34
DocScrutinizer05you're right this is WAAAAAY faster23:35
parahumanoidso, the usb is in PC, but not in N900, the unit has the battery removed, keyboard closed.  What next?23:35
DocScrutinizer05start the flasher cmd23:35
parahumanoidI have the cmd up and in the flasher dir23:35
DocScrutinizer05flasher-3.5.exe -F zImage- --flash-only=kernel -R23:36
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parahumanoidjust a sec.23:36
DocScrutinizer05then plug in USB to N900, then insert battery while holding "U" key23:36
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DocScrutinizer05another 40 min "wasted"23:37
DocScrutinizer05I need to do my laundry23:37
freemangordonhmm, which reminds me...23:38
freemangordonI am in the same situation :D23:38
CutMeOwnThroatthat sounds like some black magic ritual: "then plug in USB to N900, then insert battery while holding "U" key"23:38
freemangordonCutMeOwnThroat: it is all about the black magic :)23:38
CutMeOwnThroat"sacrifice a chicken and dance the samba around it four times"23:39
freemangordonsamba? oh, no, black metal that is :D23:39
CutMeOwnThroatlike... silver?23:40
parahumanoidfreemangordon, so ok, it's waiting for me to connect.  as I said before, the unit is with battery removed, kbd closed, usb not plugged.  What is the order to get it seen by the flasher?  The standard "hold the 'U' " procedure is not working.23:41
freemangordonopen the keyboard, connect USB cable, press'n'hold U, insert the battery23:42
freemangordonkeeping the 'U' pressed until it starts to flash23:42
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DocScrutinizer05when the device doesn't show USB symbol upper right corner of the NOKIA screen and instead tries boting and loops, then your battery is too empty23:45
DocScrutinizer05you're in a pinch then23:45
parahumanoiddamn, that took a while for it to come on.  I got a few more gray hairs.23:46
parahumanoidwhat next.23:46
DocScrutinizer05unless you're lucky and device boots unto backupmenu menu, since that is supposed to charge battery (when sufficiently recent)23:46
DocScrutinizer05you probably flashed and watched the device boot?23:47
DocScrutinizer05what do you mean by COME UP?23:47
parahumanoid"to come on" = to power on23:47
DocScrutinizer05what does you flasher command on PC tell you?23:47
parahumanoidseems to have flashed the kernel.  dump in a sec.23:48
DocScrutinizer05and what exactly is "power on"?23:48
freemangordonparahumanoid: power it on23:48
parahumanoidImage 'kernel', size 1744 kB         Version Suitable USB device not found, waiting. USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x0 105. Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204 NOLO version 1.4.14 Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR023:48
parahumanoidseems ok so far.23:48
DocScrutinizer05yeah, it flashed kernel, -Rebooted, and now it probably got stuck on you still holdimg U key ;-D23:48
freemangordonoh, come on23:49
DocScrutinizer05that's what I guess23:49
freemangordonparahumanoid: what it is doing now? (the device)23:49
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, what does it show?23:50
parahumanoidabsolutely nothing.  dark screen, doesn't power on.23:50
DocScrutinizer05it might actually already be powered on23:51
CutMeOwnThroatoh well, thanks for the hints so far... running backup now... perhaps really will try to just get the libtinymail package updated... going to the US mid-july and the N900 will be my "laptop"... so not too keen on exchanging lots of packages... as that inadvertedly means new bug^H^H^Hfeatures23:51
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parahumanoidok, so I have it lit up, the usb token showing in the upper right corner, and a wrench and a tablet unit icon under the Nokia logo.23:52
DocScrutinizer05parahumanoid: has flasher command returned?23:52
SiceloCutMeOwnThroat: get cssu-stable23:52
parahumanoidyes, I already posted the cmd dump23:52
parahumanoidscroll up23:52
DocScrutinizer05mhm, you're in flasher mode and R&D mode23:53
freemangordonparahumanoid: power it off, close the keyboard and power it on again23:53
parahumanoidis it the right time to --disable-rd-mode?  Or is there more we need to do?23:53
DocScrutinizer05if it still shows the USB symbol, releast the "U" key and unplug from USB23:53
parahumanoid  This flag is persistent between boots, tested that already.23:54
freemangordonparahumanoid: let it boot to Maemo once, will disable R&D after that23:54
freemangordonparahumanoid: yep, it is, it is written in CAL23:54
CutMeOwnThroatSicelo, yes... that was the next plan... but backups first23:54
* DocScrutinizer05 waits for "what is CAL?"23:55
infobothmm... cal is
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