| ecc3g | ahh finally got a lock... so slow... | 00:00 |
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| johnathondode | Yes I did, the first time | 00:05 |
| johnathondode | Almost an year ago | 00:05 |
| johnathondode | I got this damn cheap ~ 150$ mint condition | 00:06 |
| johnathondode | Even calling it mint would be an understatement | 00:06 |
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| nox- | moin | 00:54 |
| nox- | whats the issue with monav in extras-devel, do i really need to generate maps myself? | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonathant: checj yiur time/date | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonathant: check your time/date | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: good | 01:04 |
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| Lava_Croft | oh btw | 01:18 |
| Lava_Croft | i registered my n9's imei as a nokia prototype | 01:18 |
| Lava_Croft | i just recieved a confirmation email | 01:18 |
| Lava_Croft | good system | 01:18 |
| Lava_Croft | this prototype is my responsibility now | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL | 01:21 |
| rikanee | oh, hey, nice. | 01:21 |
| rikanee | did they laser units with the URL and asked "please turn in your protos instead of selling them on eBay please?" | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Property of Nokia | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I should've retired my N900 proto before the USB port fell out. | 01:26 |
| rikanee | GeneralAntilles: are those the rev. 1801 devices? | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: (let) fix the USB | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: actually USB is a *simple* defect that's *always* fixable | 01:28 |
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| n900-dk_ | Shouldn't the latest CSSU fix this? "GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546" | 01:38 |
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| Macer | heh | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk_: alas we didn't fix that yet | 01:46 |
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| GI_Jack | GeneralAntilles, you should have fixed the USB port | 01:50 |
| GI_Jack | they are $5 USD on ebay | 01:50 |
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| Win7Mac | aloha! | 01:51 |
| Win7Mac | GeneralAntilles, I'm up for some wiki-edits | 01:52 |
| Win7Mac | if you need a hand | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Win7Mac, getting home in about 40 minutes. | 01:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I think I'll be alright. | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | GI_Jack, qgil shipped me a new one. ;) | 01:55 |
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| Win7Mac | good night | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2013-June/004228.html \o/ | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2013-June/004229.html conf/nokia900/libphoneui.conf | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | It's a pity, a shame, that meego refused to consider fso as middleware | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck ofono | 03:53 |
| GI_Jack | fuck meego, what about jolla | 03:53 |
| GI_Jack | I am hoping for some serious partnership, did they at least contact you guys | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just in case you missed the facts: jolla makes sailfish, which is based on mer, which is based on meego partially at least | 04:00 |
| GI_Jack | which is based on maemo partially | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 04:01 |
| GI_Jack | and jolla is run by same maemo/meego dev team that made the n9, n950, and n900 | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems you got enough to read for a long weekend | 04:02 |
| GI_Jack | oh boy | 04:02 |
| GI_Jack | so no one is trying to get the same experiance and community we have on maemo on sailfish, being sailfish will have new devices, factory support, and a future | 04:03 |
| GI_Jack | unless of course you have plans for new maemo devices | 04:03 |
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| GI_Jack | DocScrutinizer05, I do have the CSSU on my n900 and I thank you for your continuted support | 04:04 |
| GI_Jack | and everyone else who contributes | 04:04 |
| GI_Jack | its awesome, but at the same time lets face it your only prolonging the inveniable, maemo will die, if nothing else, there will come a time when all the n900s will fail, and they will become rarities, as there are only so many and you can't make more | 04:05 |
| GI_Jack | and if you could, the hardware is starting to show its age, not a problem at present, but it will become obsolete to the point its not usable on modern data networks, or with modern protocols | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who the fuck is "you" in your rant? | 04:07 |
| GI_Jack | everyone who has a part in making CSSU and continued community support | 04:07 |
| * GI_Jack *head desk* | 04:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *I* for one have no plans to make new maemo devices on my own, in my garage | 04:08 |
| GI_Jack | thats the point, | 04:08 |
| GI_Jack | no one does, the platform will die | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's the point, so why don't you make them, then? | 04:08 |
| GI_Jack | DocScrutinizer05, because I'm not smart enough. I'm fairly clever, but thats it | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | daddy Nokia is gone, the community is on its own | 04:09 |
| GI_Jack | I am going to find another device that runs linux on a cell phone, because I'm not sharp enough to make one myself | 04:09 |
| GI_Jack | so unless I am missing something really huge about these jolla people, and if I am, can you please link some reading material, they seem like the option | 04:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GI_Jack: though I can't balme you for it since you're in company of a felt 90% of community, you still suffer a misconception: There is no way to port the maemo OS and community to new platform, whatever it is. Heck not even Nokia was able to port maemo4/diablo to maemo5/fremantle, and they failed even more on porting maemo5/fremantle to meego(maemo6)/harmattan | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's up to every single member in community what will be their next device/platform/OS | 04:15 |
| * GI_Jack sighs | 04:15 | |
| GI_Jack | I guess it is what it is | 04:15 |
| GI_Jack | I just want I have on the desktop | 04:15 |
| GI_Jack | even if there are a fuckton of distros they all share a close enough code base that chroot from a livecd of one works in another | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | easybeb works on fremantle | 04:16 |
| GI_Jack | I just want that experiance withi linux on phones | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | deb even | 04:16 |
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| GI_Jack | no, not as in litterally using debian, but the organziation and institutional knowledge of linux, works mostly the same accross diffrent and disintrested platforms | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the point is that your chroot on arbitrary distros only works as long as they use the same architecture and even fairly compatible kernel versions | 04:17 |
| GI_Jack | Or even, if I enjoy using one program that has source code availabe on one distro, most likely I can find it on another | 04:18 |
| GI_Jack | with the same window managers, and the same browsers, etc.. | 04:18 |
| GI_Jack | and use the same configs | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and your take on "works the same" is just what all those android dudes claim when they call android "linux" | 04:18 |
| GI_Jack | DocScrutinizer05, not "works the same" exactly, but close enough some half bright idjit like me can do the porting | 04:19 |
| GI_Jack | its even the reason I have a seperate /home parition, so I can format / and /boot | 04:19 |
| GI_Jack | and use whatever I want, and after installing something completely diffrent my settings are there | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I even fail to find a contemporaray version of twinklephone for KDE4, not to mention any version for gnome or even more exotic window managers, on x86 architecture for mouse and hw kbd | 04:20 |
| GI_Jack | so it won't run on gnome or KDE4, don't believe that, because most KDE apps run fine in gnome | 04:21 |
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| GI_Jack | they just have a nasty habbit of pulling KDElibs and using a fuckton of space | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I heard somebody ran kde4 in easydeb and openoffice in kde4 in easydeb, on fremantle | 04:22 |
| GI_Jack | I don't doubt it | 04:22 |
| GI_Jack | and thats awesome | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I however miss your point in your rant about missing cooperation between jolla and "us" | 04:24 |
| GI_Jack | whatever.... | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't port maemo5 to a new platform basically, unless you rewrite a lot of the closed blobs | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can try to offer a compatibility layer, like cordia | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | community is free to develop and provice such maemo5 compatibility layer for sailfish | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | provide* | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jolly *could* port sailfish to N900 (though presumably with massive deficiencies regarding performance and functionality), and that's been suggested by me ~6 months ago | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this however doesn't help secure the future of maemo5 OS | 04:28 |
| GI_Jack | the n900 won't have the umph to run sailfish | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the future of maemo5/fremantle is in users taking care about their valuable N900 devices so not to damage them, and in CSSU team providing life support when any bugs show up that would result in "bitrot" | 04:30 |
| GI_Jack | because it didn't have the ummph to run harttaman/meego, because I flashed it on there and it was slow as dogshit | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh when sailfish is so heavy and does scale that poorly to different platforms and the resources available, then it's maybe not worth the hype | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you did WHAT? harmattan on N900? ugh, you're a wizard | 04:31 |
| GI_Jack | DocScrutinizer05, there was a semi-official FIASCO image | 04:32 |
| GI_Jack | it was on maemo.org like 3 years ago | 04:32 |
| GI_Jack | right before the n950 was supposed to launch | 04:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway regarding that "some serious partnership" with jolla, could you elaborate what you expect to see getting done, and to whom jolla is supposed to suggest it? | 05:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there been several approaches, reasonable and weird bold ones, public and secrete, and I can't think of any partnership to establish that hasn't been suggested and offered yet | 05:21 |
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| SAiF | where to get cheap and good touch screen digitizer? | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which one? | 07:57 |
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| SAiF | where to get cheap and good touch screen digitizer? | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which one? | 08:29 |
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| kerio | hey DocScrutinizer05 | 09:15 |
| kerio | where to get cheap and good touch screen digitizer? | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which one? | 09:15 |
| kerio | :d | 09:16 |
| kerio | er, :D | 09:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oops, the delay failed. almost gave away my true nature | 09:22 |
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| kerio | BotScrutinizer05 | 09:34 |
| SAiF | sorry, it is for N900, and is it possible to get capacitive touch. you know just a silly question. | 09:44 |
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| kerio | SAiF: maemo wouldn't know what to do with a multitouch screen, anyway | 09:56 |
| SAiF | so where can I get a resistive screen.and cheap | 10:01 |
| SAiF | Or what if it is in Nitroid, it support multitouch right? | 10:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly no, since first approach maemo devices don't support multitouch digitizers | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still wonder what exactly you are looking for | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you need a replacement digitizer for e.g. N900, then let me tell you that you got no options - there's just ONE build / type of digitizer you could possibly fit | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to attach a random HID and display, then go for any arbitrary device that supports AV-in and USB pointer device | 10:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you know, embedded devices like N900 are not exactly similar to a standard Industry Standard Architecture PC with PCI expansion cards | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even less they are similar to a PC with attached peripherals like KBD, mouse, digitizer tablet or toucscreen, DSL modem, external drives, whatever | 10:31 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 mumbles "where to get cheap and good 104-key keyboard with switching color illumination?" | 11:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for N900 | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should I assume it fits into device? | 11:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or should I be happy with a nice USB kbd peripheral attached to N900 via USB hostmode? | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly you could even do an USB attached capacitive mt digitizer overlay over N900 display and front plastic/digitizer, with a few straps | 11:47 |
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| wnd | where to get a good full-size keyboard to begin with... my key tronic was failing. :-( | 11:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this Cherry G230 is OK | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | laptop-style short-action keys | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yet solid | 12:21 |
| wnd | I have Cherry G80 at work. Brown MX switches are good, but the keyboard is much too light. | 12:24 |
| wnd | It's mostly fine if you keep your keyboard on your desk, but back home I have this strange sitting position in which I keep the keyboard on my lap, usually on one leg only (the other being "holded" between me and the keyboard). When you do that, the keyboard must have some weight. | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | g280 is solid and with decent weight | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess they put some steel in just for weight | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I know the pain you can feel with flimsy loud and way too light kbd | 12:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err G230 | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just the key labels seems crap, the N is already half vanished, after a few months | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the M also looks like starting to rot | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the LEDs for caplock, scrolllock numlock are pathetic | 12:41 |
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| Lava_Croft | N900 has no future except death | 13:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | obviously | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | like everything on earth | 13:02 |
| Lava_Croft | no no | 13:05 |
| wnd | I just wish there's an alternative when mine dies | 13:05 |
| Lava_Croft | another N900 | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I got 4 (soon 5.5) spare | 13:06 |
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| Lava_Croft | 2 here | 13:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | This is odd. I want to install the dbus-scripts package which I can see is present at http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/d/dbus-scripts/ but apt-cache/apt-get and fapman can't find it... | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | enable extras-devel? | 13:19 |
| Shapeshifter | it is enabled of course | 13:19 |
| Lava_Croft | apt-get update? :P | 13:19 |
| Shapeshifter | done of course ^^ | 13:20 |
| Lava_Croft | i reflahsed last week, enabled extras-dev and installed dbus-scripts :( | 13:21 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm now trying to disable and re-enable extras-devel | 13:21 |
| Shapeshifter | it's not working. very strange | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy dbus-scripts | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Installed: 2.0 | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages | 13:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | by the way, downloads.maemo.nokia.com is offline for good? | 13:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | Mh. extras-devel is not in /etc/apt/sources.list nor /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list. Shouldn't it be present? | 13:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: you should use HAM to enable/disable catalogs | 13:29 |
| Lava_Croft | i always setup repos in ham, theh install and launch fapman | 13:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | well it worked. Now idea how I fucked up the catalogues... | 13:39 |
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| SAiF | flashing stops at 20%. ??? | 13:40 |
| Lava_Croft | it shouldnt! | 13:43 |
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| SAiF | again and again.... | 13:44 |
| SAiF | posible reasons?? | 13:44 |
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| Lava_Croft | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83153 | 13:46 |
| Lava_Croft | does it look like that | 13:46 |
| Lava_Croft | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1336294&postcount=7 | 13:47 |
| Lava_Croft | that post might help you too | 13:47 |
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| SAiF | ooops I just remembered that i reinstalled pc suite for restoring contacts after flashing two days ago. I am almost sure thats the problem since I hade to remove it the last time I did a flash. | 13:51 |
| SAiF | thanks will be trying that now. | 13:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's definitely the problem | 13:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: (how fsckdup catalogs) maybe by editing the files you mentioned? | 14:03 |
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| SAiF | disabled service layer from services.msc and flashing works like normal | 14:16 |
| SAiF | thank yoy Lava_Croft. | 14:17 |
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| Lava_Croft | SAiF: anytime, flashing can be a female dog | 14:19 |
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| Lava_Croft | my kingdom for a non-shit browser on maemo5 | 14:31 |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: fennec | 14:33 |
| kerio | alopex | 14:33 |
| kerio | chromium | 14:33 |
| Lava_Croft | emphasis on non-shit | 14:33 |
| Shapeshifter | Mh. I'm trying to tether this Nexus 7 to my N900 via bluetooth. I'm using the scripts attached to this post http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=980832&postcount=124 It works somewhat but not really: When I pair it and tell the Nexus 7 to use the N900 to connect to the internet, the N900 says "Tethering from bnep0 to gprs0 activated". netcfg on the Nexus 7 shows that it got an IP, 10.20.0.121, which I can ping from the N900. However, ... | 14:34 |
| Shapeshifter | ... I can't ping the N900 from the Nexus 7 and the internet connection simply doesn't work. | 14:35 |
| Lava_Croft | i will retreat, i had my share of nexus7 annoyances for this week | 14:35 |
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| Shapeshifter | The weird thing is, as soon as I switch from cellular internet to wifi on the N900, the Nexus 7 is suddenly able to ping the N900. | 14:41 |
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| Shapeshifter | It's only unable to ping the N900 when the N900 is using cellular internet (which is the only thing that makes sense when tethering...) | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: bnep? well, maybe you should ask about it on #maemo-ssu | 14:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | meh. Had to restart the n900. Had installed an update of kernel-power just before and didn't think of rebooting... | 14:50 |
| Shapeshifter | tethering works fine now. nice. | 14:50 |
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| Gear_ | what's the best alternative OS for the n900 | 18:09 |
| Gear_ | I dunno if it's the handset or the os but cssu is starting to go funky, I dial one contact and it dials someone else completely | 18:11 |
| thedead1440 | i would think Arch since its the only one along with Nemo to receive frequent updates | 18:11 |
| Gear_ | arch linux? like fully command line based? | 18:11 |
| Gear_ | <- linux beginner | 18:12 |
| thedead1440 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81892 | 18:12 |
| Gear_ | arch looks very terrible | 18:22 |
| Gear_ | does nemo run maemo apps? | 18:23 |
| Gear_ | or do people have to make them for nemo | 18:23 |
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| thedead1440 | yes you have to port maemo apps for nemo so the best OS for the n900 is maemo | 18:51 |
| thedead1440 | if you are having issues maybe get in touch with cssu devs and they could help you to debug it | 18:51 |
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| Lava_Croft | arch linux is the best way to learn linux | 19:46 |
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| NeutrinoPower | my N900 is locked and I doesn't remember the passwd... :-( | 22:32 |
| NIN101 | well, usually not an issue | 22:35 |
| NIN101 | see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=435433&postcount=5 | 22:35 |
| NeutrinoPower | is the lock-code the same as root-passwd? | 22:39 |
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