IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2013-06-23

ecc3gahh finally got a lock... so slow...00:00
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johnathondodeYes I did, the first time00:05
johnathondodeAlmost an year ago00:05
johnathondodeI got this damn cheap ~ 150$ mint condition00:06
johnathondodeEven calling it mint would be an understatement00:06
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nox-whats the issue with monav in extras-devel, do i really need to generate maps myself?00:54
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DocScrutinizer05jonathant: checj yiur time/date01:03
DocScrutinizer05jonathant: check your time/date01:03
DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: good01:04
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Lava_Croftoh btw01:18
Lava_Crofti registered my n9's imei as a nokia prototype01:18
Lava_Crofti just recieved a confirmation email01:18
Lava_Croftgood system01:18
Lava_Croftthis prototype is my responsibility now01:19
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rikaneeoh, hey, nice.01:21
rikaneedid they laser units with the URL and asked "please turn in your protos instead of selling them on eBay please?"01:22
GeneralAntillesProperty of Nokia01:26
GeneralAntillesI should've retired my N900 proto before the USB port fell out.01:26
rikaneeGeneralAntilles: are those the rev. 1801 devices?01:27
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: (let) fix the USB01:28
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: actually USB is a *simple* defect that's *always* fixable01:28
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n900-dk_Shouldn't the latest CSSU fix this? "GPG error: ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546"01:38
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DocScrutinizer05n900-dk_: alas we didn't fix that yet01:46
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GI_JackGeneralAntilles, you should have fixed the USB port01:50
GI_Jackthey are $5 USD on ebay01:50
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Win7MacGeneralAntilles, I'm up for some wiki-edits01:52
Win7Macif you need a hand01:52
GeneralAntillesWin7Mac, getting home in about 40 minutes.01:55
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GeneralAntillesI think I'll be alright.01:55
GeneralAntillesGI_Jack, qgil shipped me a new one. ;)01:55
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Win7Macgood night02:14
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DocScrutinizer05  \o/03:50
DocScrutinizer05 conf/nokia900/libphoneui.conf03:52
DocScrutinizer05It's a pity, a shame, that meego refused to consider fso as middleware03:52
DocScrutinizer05fsck ofono03:53
GI_Jackfuck meego, what about jolla03:53
GI_JackI am hoping for some serious partnership, did they at least contact you guys03:53
DocScrutinizer05just in case you missed the facts: jolla makes sailfish, which is based on mer, which is based on meego partially at least04:00
GI_Jackwhich is based on maemo partially04:00
DocScrutinizer05so what?04:01
GI_Jackand jolla is run by same maemo/meego dev team that made the n9, n950, and n90004:01
DocScrutinizer05seems you got enough to read for a long weekend04:02
GI_Jackoh boy04:02
GI_Jackso no one is trying to get the same experiance and community we have on maemo on sailfish, being sailfish will have new devices, factory support, and a future04:03
GI_Jackunless of course you have plans for new maemo devices04:03
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GI_JackDocScrutinizer05, I do have the CSSU on my n900 and I thank you for your continuted support04:04
GI_Jackand everyone else who contributes04:04
GI_Jackits awesome, but at the same time lets face it your only prolonging the inveniable, maemo will die, if nothing else, there will come a time when all the n900s will fail, and they will become rarities, as there are only so many and you can't make more04:05
GI_Jackand if you could, the hardware is starting to show its age, not a problem at present, but it will become obsolete to the point its not usable on modern data networks, or with modern protocols04:06
DocScrutinizer05who the fuck is "you" in your rant?04:07
GI_Jackeveryone who has a part in making CSSU and continued community support04:07
* GI_Jack *head desk*04:07
DocScrutinizer05*I* for one have no plans to make new maemo devices on my own, in my garage04:08
GI_Jackthats the point,04:08
GI_Jackno one does, the platform will die04:08
DocScrutinizer05yes, that's the point, so why don't you make them, then?04:08
GI_JackDocScrutinizer05, because I'm not smart enough. I'm fairly clever, but thats it04:09
DocScrutinizer05daddy Nokia is gone, the community is on its own04:09
GI_JackI am going to find another device that runs linux on a cell phone, because I'm not sharp enough to make one myself04:09
GI_Jackso unless I am missing something really huge about these jolla people, and if I am, can you please link some reading material, they seem like the option04:11
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DocScrutinizer05GI_Jack: though I can't balme you for it since you're in company of a felt 90% of community, you still suffer a misconception: There is no way to port the maemo OS and community to new platform, whatever it is. Heck not even Nokia was able to port maemo4/diablo to maemo5/fremantle, and they failed even more on porting maemo5/fremantle to meego(maemo6)/harmattan04:13
DocScrutinizer05it's up to every single member in community what will be their next device/platform/OS04:15
* GI_Jack sighs04:15
GI_JackI guess it is what it is04:15
GI_JackI just want I have on the desktop04:15
GI_Jackeven if there are a fuckton of distros they all share a close enough code base that chroot from a livecd of one works in another04:16
DocScrutinizer05so what?04:16
DocScrutinizer05easybeb works on fremantle04:16
GI_JackI just want that experiance withi linux on phones04:16
DocScrutinizer05deb even04:16
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GI_Jackno, not as in litterally using debian, but the organziation and institutional knowledge of linux, works mostly the same accross diffrent and disintrested platforms04:17
DocScrutinizer05the point is that your chroot on arbitrary distros only works as long as they use the same architecture and even fairly compatible kernel versions04:17
GI_JackOr even, if I enjoy using one program that has source code availabe on one distro, most likely I can find it on another04:18
GI_Jackwith the same window managers, and the same browsers, etc..04:18
GI_Jackand use the same configs04:18
DocScrutinizer05and your take on "works the same" is just what all those android dudes claim when they call android "linux"04:18
GI_JackDocScrutinizer05, not "works the same" exactly, but close enough some half bright idjit like me can do the porting04:19
GI_Jackits even the reason I have a seperate  /home parition, so I can format / and /boot04:19
GI_Jackand use whatever I want, and after installing something completely diffrent my settings are there04:19
DocScrutinizer05and I even fail to find a contemporaray version of twinklephone for KDE4, not to mention any version for gnome or even more exotic window managers, on x86 architecture for mouse and hw kbd04:20
GI_Jackso it won't run on gnome or KDE4, don't believe that, because most KDE  apps run fine in gnome04:21
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GI_Jackthey just have a nasty habbit of pulling KDElibs and using a fuckton of space04:21
DocScrutinizer05yes, I heard somebody ran kde4 in easydeb and openoffice in kde4 in easydeb, on fremantle04:22
GI_JackI don't doubt it04:22
GI_Jackand thats awesome04:22
DocScrutinizer05I however miss your point in your rant about missing cooperation between jolla and "us"04:24
DocScrutinizer05you can't port maemo5 to a new platform basically, unless you rewrite a lot of the closed blobs04:25
DocScrutinizer05you can try to offer a compatibility layer, like cordia04:26
DocScrutinizer05community is free to develop and provice such maemo5 compatibility layer for sailfish04:27
DocScrutinizer05jolly *could* port sailfish to N900 (though presumably with massive deficiencies regarding performance and functionality), and that's been suggested by me ~6 months ago04:28
DocScrutinizer05this however doesn't help secure the future of maemo5 OS04:28
GI_Jackthe n900 won't have the umph to run sailfish04:29
DocScrutinizer05the future of maemo5/fremantle is in users taking care about their valuable N900 devices so not to damage them, and in CSSU team providing life support when any bugs show up that would result in "bitrot"04:30
GI_Jackbecause it didn't have the ummph to run harttaman/meego, because I flashed it on there and it was slow as dogshit04:30
DocScrutinizer05tbh when sailfish is so heavy and does scale that poorly to different platforms and the resources available, then it's maybe not worth the hype04:31
DocScrutinizer05you did WHAT? harmattan on N900? ugh, you're a wizard04:31
GI_JackDocScrutinizer05, there was a semi-official FIASCO image04:32
GI_Jackit was on like 3 years ago04:32
GI_Jackright before the n950 was supposed to launch04:33
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DocScrutinizer05anyway regarding that "some serious partnership" with jolla, could you elaborate what you expect to see getting done, and to whom jolla is supposed to suggest it?05:19
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DocScrutinizer05there been several approaches, reasonable and weird bold ones, public and secrete, and I can't think of any partnership to establish that hasn't been suggested and offered yet05:21
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SAiFwhere to get cheap and good touch screen digitizer?07:46
DocScrutinizer05which one?07:57
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SAiFwhere to get cheap and good touch screen digitizer?08:15
DocScrutinizer05which one?08:29
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keriohey DocScrutinizer0509:15
keriowhere to get cheap and good touch screen digitizer?09:15
DocScrutinizer05which one?09:15
kerioer, :D09:16
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DocScrutinizer05oops, the delay failed. almost gave away my true nature09:22
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SAiFsorry, it is for N900, and is it possible to get capacitive touch. you know just a silly question.09:44
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kerioSAiF: maemo wouldn't know what to do with a multitouch screen, anyway09:56
SAiFso where can I get a resistive screen.and cheap10:01
SAiFOr what if it is in Nitroid, it support multitouch right?10:02
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DocScrutinizer05prolly no, since first approach maemo devices don't support multitouch digitizers10:24
DocScrutinizer05I still wonder what exactly you are looking for10:25
DocScrutinizer05if you need a replacement digitizer for e.g. N900, then let me tell you that you got no options - there's just ONE build / type of digitizer you could possibly fit10:26
DocScrutinizer05if you want to attach a random HID and display, then go for any arbitrary device that supports AV-in and USB pointer device10:27
DocScrutinizer05you know, embedded devices like N900 are not exactly similar to a standard Industry Standard Architecture PC with PCI expansion cards10:30
DocScrutinizer05even less they are similar to a PC with attached peripherals like KBD, mouse, digitizer tablet or toucscreen, DSL modem, external drives, whatever10:31
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* DocScrutinizer05 mumbles "where to get cheap and good 104-key keyboard with switching color illumination?"11:43
DocScrutinizer05for N90011:44
DocScrutinizer05should I assume it fits into device?11:44
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DocScrutinizer05or should I be happy with a nice USB kbd peripheral attached to N900 via USB hostmode?11:45
DocScrutinizer05possibly you could even do an USB attached capacitive mt digitizer overlay over N900 display and front plastic/digitizer, with a few straps11:47
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wndwhere to get a good full-size keyboard to begin with... my key tronic was failing. :-(11:53
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DocScrutinizer05this Cherry G230 is OK12:20
DocScrutinizer05laptop-style short-action keys12:21
DocScrutinizer05yet solid12:21
wndI have Cherry G80 at work. Brown MX switches are good, but the keyboard is much too light.12:24
wndIt's mostly fine if you keep your keyboard on your desk, but back home I have this strange sitting position in which I keep the keyboard on my lap, usually on one leg only (the other being "holded" between me and the keyboard). When you do that, the keyboard must have some weight.12:28
DocScrutinizer51g280 is solid and with decent weight12:32
DocScrutinizer51I guess they put some steel in just for weight12:33
DocScrutinizer51I know the pain you can feel with flimsy loud and way too light kbd12:34
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DocScrutinizer05err G23012:39
DocScrutinizer05just the key labels seems crap, the N is already half vanished, after a few months12:40
DocScrutinizer05the M also looks like starting to rot12:41
DocScrutinizer05and the LEDs for caplock, scrolllock numlock are pathetic12:41
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Lava_CroftN900 has no future except death13:00
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DocScrutinizer51like everything on earth13:02
Lava_Croftno no13:05
wndI just wish there's an alternative when mine dies13:05
Lava_Croftanother N90013:05
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DocScrutinizer51I got 4 (soon 5.5) spare13:06
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Lava_Croft2 here13:08
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ShapeshifterThis is odd. I want to install the dbus-scripts package which I can see is present at but apt-cache/apt-get and fapman can't find it...13:14
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DocScrutinizer51enable extras-devel?13:19
Shapeshifterit is enabled of course13:19
Lava_Croftapt-get update? :P13:19
Shapeshifterdone of course ^^13:20
Lava_Crofti reflahsed last week, enabled extras-dev and installed dbus-scripts :(13:21
ShapeshifterI'm now trying to disable and re-enable extras-devel13:21
Shapeshifterit's not working. very strange13:22
DocScrutinizer51IroN900:~# apt-cache policy dbus-scripts13:23
DocScrutinizer51  Installed: 2.013:23
DocScrutinizer51500 fremantle-1.3/free Packages13:24
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Shapeshifterby the way, is offline for good?13:25
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ShapeshifterMh. extras-devel is not in /etc/apt/sources.list nor /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list. Shouldn't it be present?13:27
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DocScrutinizer51Shapeshifter: you should use HAM to enable/disable catalogs13:29
Lava_Crofti always setup repos in ham, theh install and launch fapman13:31
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Shapeshifterwell it worked. Now idea how I fucked up the catalogues...13:39
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SAiFflashing stops at 20%. ???13:40
Lava_Croftit shouldnt!13:43
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SAiFagain and again....13:44
SAiFposible reasons??13:44
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Lava_Croftdoes it look like that13:46
Lava_Croftthat post might help you too13:47
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SAiFooops I just remembered that i reinstalled pc suite for restoring contacts after flashing two days ago. I am almost sure thats the problem since I hade to remove it the last time I did a flash.13:51
SAiFthanks will be trying that now.13:51
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DocScrutinizer05yes, that's definitely the problem13:56
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DocScrutinizer05Shapeshifter: (how fsckdup catalogs) maybe by editing the files you mentioned?14:03
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SAiFdisabled service layer from services.msc and flashing works like normal14:16
SAiFthank yoy Lava_Croft.14:17
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Lava_CroftSAiF: anytime, flashing can be a female dog14:19
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Lava_Croftmy kingdom for a non-shit browser on maemo514:31
kerioLava_Croft: fennec14:33
Lava_Croftemphasis on non-shit14:33
ShapeshifterMh. I'm trying to tether this Nexus 7 to my N900 via bluetooth. I'm using the scripts attached to this post It works somewhat but not really: When I pair it and tell the Nexus 7 to use the N900 to connect to the internet, the N900 says "Tethering from bnep0 to gprs0 activated". netcfg on the Nexus 7 shows that it got an IP,, which I can ping from the N900. However, ...14:34
Shapeshifter... I can't ping the N900 from the Nexus 7 and the internet connection simply doesn't work.14:35
Lava_Crofti will retreat, i had my share of nexus7 annoyances for this week14:35
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ShapeshifterThe weird thing is, as soon as I switch from cellular internet to wifi on the N900, the Nexus 7 is suddenly able to ping the N900.14:41
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ShapeshifterIt's only unable to ping the N900 when the N900 is using cellular internet (which is the only thing that makes sense when tethering...)14:41
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DocScrutinizer51Shapeshifter: bnep? well, maybe you should ask about it on #maemo-ssu14:49
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Shapeshiftermeh. Had to restart the n900. Had installed an update of kernel-power just before and didn't think of rebooting...14:50
Shapeshiftertethering works fine now. nice.14:50
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Gear_what's the best alternative OS for the n90018:09
Gear_I dunno if it's the handset or the os but cssu is starting to go funky, I dial one contact and it dials someone else completely18:11
thedead1440i would think Arch since its the only one along with Nemo to receive frequent updates18:11
Gear_arch linux? like fully command line based?18:11
Gear_<- linux beginner18:12
Gear_arch looks very terrible18:22
Gear_does nemo run maemo apps?18:23
Gear_or do people have to make them for nemo18:23
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thedead1440yes you have to port maemo apps for nemo so the best OS for the n900 is maemo18:51
thedead1440if you are having issues maybe get in touch with cssu devs and they could help you to debug it18:51
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NeutrinoPowermy N900 is locked and I doesn't remember the passwd... :-(22:32
NIN101well, usually not an issue22:35
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