IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2013-06-22

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wndEarlier today my n900 spontaneously rebooted once again when I was using "hdr capture". However, this time boot would not bring the UI back. After getting back home I used BacupMenu's preboot env to enable mass storage mode and discovered that /home was unmountable (using ext3). fsck refused to fix the fs with prune switch, so after making a copy of the partition, I pointed fsck -y at the partition. Now that I've gone through lost+found, I find myself insanely lucky; i00:33
wndt seems that nearly all lost files were either retrieved emails, caches, thumbnails or other practically worthless objects. The only two things that I'm slightly worried about are two sqlite databases that clearly look like tracker's files.00:33
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wndany ideas where a tracker's db containings a table "ChildServices" should live?00:34
wndsimilarly, where does the db with table "BackupMetaData" in it live?00:34
wndalso, do either of these databases contain anything irrecoverable?00:35
wndFrom what I can tell, the system is working flawlessly. In fact, probably due to placebo effect, the system actually feels faster now...00:35
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ShadowJKtracker databases can be rebuilt easily00:50
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wndShadowJK, I wouldn't be worried if the data looked like media database, but it looks more like something that affects tracker itself, e.g. FileMimes01:18
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DocScrutinizer05I *think* tracker knows how to recreate his db when it vanished01:42
DocScrutinizer05and actually emptying the trackerdb (as well as eventsdb) easily may cause massive speedup, due to sqlite not eating up dozens of MB RAM for buffering all the cruft in those db01:43
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wndI certainly hope so01:46
wndand as for sqlite, I know exactly what you mean01:46
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DocScrutinizer05anyway if you wanna play safe, you should restore everything from your backupmenu tarball. And then there's also another method iirc: "reset to factory settings" in settings menu01:48
DocScrutinizer05it should afaik create a virgin ~user/ from /etc/skel or whatever01:49
DocScrutinizer05incl any tracker db01:49
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wndwhen fsck scared me by not accepting -p I considered restoring from backups - until I realised the latest was from early april02:06
wndand it was just a few days ago I was thinking of creating autoamtic backups with rsync, much like I do with my desktop...02:07
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wndthat I somehow ended up playing with bluetooth, oopsed my desktop's kernel once too many times (thanks to apparently broken usb-bt stick) and sort of forgot it for time being02:08
wndthinking about it, I really have no idea why I thought it'd be a good idea to run those backups over bt instead of over ssh02:09
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Win7Macgn o/02:19
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GI_Jacknew client physicians without borders is here!02:26
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ecc3gwnd: what kernel are you using for your desktop?03:10
ecc3gtrying to find a fix for the bluetooth rfcomm bug in 3.8+03:11
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wndecc3g, 3.9 as in debian's linux-image-3.9-1-amd64 (from unstable)03:21
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ecc3g3.10-rc wasn't fixed yet so might be the same problem I'm seeing, it's a real kernel butg03:43
ecc3gi heard 3.7 does not have this bug, and 3.2 is definitely safe.03:44
wndwhatever it was I had, was rather strange. after triggering the bug by accessing bt hardware, random processes would start throwing gpfs.03:45
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ecc3gfor me, if I used bluetooth tethering, and then disconnected rfcomm/bluetooth, the machine would start oopsing and then die03:49
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wndthese were also common: "Bluetooth: hci0 command 0x0c14 tx timeout", where command number would vary03:53
ecc3gI also had a broken bluetooth USB adaptor that times out after having it plugged in for a while... comparing it to my working ones, I tossed it.03:54
wndwell, there's little point in wasting time with faulty hardware when it's both easily available and very cheap03:56
ecc3gright, you should get another one... the good ones I have actually work fairly well, except for that BT kernel bug03:56
wndalready ordered a new one. more expensive this time.03:57
wndin other words, the new one is worth more than usd 1.503:57
ecc3gright now for me, the reference bluetooth radios are the built-in on my laptop...and the n900...  The USB sticks I have, one is targus which is pretty good, and one unnamed one which works but not perfect...03:57
ecc3ghmm... wonder how hard it is to use rfcomm for a bluetooth serial terminal on the n900...04:01
ecc3g(what would I have to kill to not conflict with dialup networking...)04:01
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janembait is possible to synchronize automatically the repositories from FAM to the repositories from apt ?12:35
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Lava_Croftoh great13:09
DocScrutinizer05so it's up to me to tell you that fapman is not really a good idea to use13:09
Lava_Croftmaximum number of ovi store downloads reached for Billboard13:09
Lava_Crofti like how Ovi store just recommends me to buy it again13:09
Lava_Croftthis will be fun13:09
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DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: you rather should grab the .deb from your local download location13:10
Lava_CroftThat's hardly the right way to do this! :D13:10
Lava_Croft(i know you can do that, but i just wont:)13:10
DocScrutinizer05what ovi does is hardly the right way to handle that... problem, whatever 'they' considered a problem here13:11
Lava_Croftno shit13:11
DocScrutinizer05when you buy a package, it afaik gets downloaded by apt to your local .deb store13:12
DocScrutinizer05you should backup it from there, rather than depend on a ovi store that puts arbitrary limitations on how often you may download sth you legally purchased13:12
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Win7MacHi everybody13:25
Win7MacLava_Croft, use N9QT tweak O13:26
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Lava_Croftthat doesnt help if you cannot grab the application anymore13:26
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Win7Macyeah, too late now :(13:30
Win7Macchem|st, thanks for the new banner on TMO13:31
Lava_CroftOvi Store is really mangled13:37
Lava_Croftthey web front-end's support link gets you there:D13:37
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DocScrutinizer05pretty much HAHA13:44
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Win7MacLava_Croft, for future purpose:
DocScrutinizer05*SIGH* 17844 nobody    20   0 10.9g 7.4g  396 S   10 95.5   0:27.43 varnishd13:49
warfareDocScrutinizer05: on stage?13:51
rikaneeDocScrtuinizer05: that's one busy caching server13:51
DocScrutinizer05but our server should handle that more cracefully13:52
DocScrutinizer05it's not OK for varnish to eat all RAM and even swap13:53
DocScrutinizer05actaully it's silly to use swap at all for a webserver13:54
DocScrutinizer05swap makes things 10 times worse13:54
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warfarehm, varnish is configured for 512M cachesize.13:56
DocScrutinizer05since instead of either serving a request from RAM or in case it's not available in RAM then directly read content from "source" html/whatever-file, the IO now goes busy with swapping OUT and in stuff on a factors higer volume13:56
warfareDo you keep restarting varnish?13:57
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DocScrutinizer05warfare: per every of the 2596 concurrent instances?13:57
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warfareDocScrutinizer05: no, in total.13:57
DocScrutinizer05I don't restart anything13:57
DocScrutinizer05I do nothing13:58
DocScrutinizer05except looking at top13:58
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DocScrutinizer05warfare: I suspect cronjobs14:00
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: around?14:00
DocScrutinizer0522190 nobody    20   0 11.1g 7.5g    0 R   42 96.6   0:41.74 varnishd14:03
warfareDocScrutinizer05: something like that.14:04
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warfareI'll disable varnish for a few minutes, so I can work on the machine.14:05
DocScrutinizer05no use in that anyway:14:05
DocScrutinizer05Jun 22 10:44:59 stage kernel: [6582501.370903] apache2 invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0xd0, order=0, oom_adj=0, oom_score_adj=014:05
DocScrutinizer05I'm quite puzzled syslog stalls at 10:4514:06
DocScrutinizer0520min ago14:06
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DocScrutinizer05now if only I knew where varnish hides its access.log14:12
DocScrutinizer05nm, found it14:13
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DocScrutinizer05some mirror on I guess14:15
DocScrutinizer05wait, nope14:16
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warfareOk, better now.14:30
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Lava_CroftWin7Mac: i saw that, thanks14:45
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DocScrutinizer05warfare: thanks!14:50
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Win7MacDocScrutinizer05, probably mention running election in channel topic?15:05
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*** DocScrutinizer05 changes topic to "HiFo voting booth OPEN! || Welcome to #maemo | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | | Source: | Chanlog: | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet"15:08
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Win7MacGREAT, THANKS!15:11
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GeneralAntillesElections. Must mean it's time for me to clean the wiki.16:02
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Win7MacGA, what exactly has to be cleaned?16:03
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Win7MacGA, if I can take care of that, pass it over and I'll gladly do it. You could probably better do yesterdays meeting follow up?16:13
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GeneralAntillesWell, you need to know Media wiki markup.16:16
GeneralAntillesI'll have plenty of time tonight.16:17
GeneralAntillesMassive book signing today, though.16:17
Win7Macnow that I have a link to a wiki-wiki... ;-)16:17
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GeneralAntillesIt's a bit wall o text right now.16:22
GeneralAntillesI was going to move the questionnaire answers and full nomination response to separate sections16:23
GeneralAntillesand do candidate abstracts with short excerpts from the nominations at the top.16:23
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Win7Macok, go ahead then16:29
* andre__ happy to see GeneralAntilles running16:40
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GeneralAntillesHey-oh, andre__16:46
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GeneralAntillesI've been sucked back into the insanity. ;)16:48
Lava_CroftSlight insanity is a prerequisite in order to be able to hang around Maemo!16:49
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Lava_Croftits true, normal people dont use Maemo! :)17:08
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ShapeshifterSo I got myself a new (genuine) battery but I'm still having very short life times imo. I don't remember the battery on my n900 draining this quickly when I first got it. Is this normal? Look at the last two cycles: Pl17:47
ShapeshifterI get maybe 10h max without really using it at all. I'm not running anything in the background except 30min email checks, 1 gtalk account and 2 sip accounts.17:49
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rikaneeShapeshifter: when was that BL-5J made?17:57
Shapeshifterrikanee: how can I find out?17:59
rikaneeShapeshifter: no clue.17:59
rikaneebatteries do have a shelf-life too.17:59
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ShapeshifterBah. There's so much wrong with the N900 but there's even more wrong with the other crap phones they make these days...18:03
Lava_Croftthats why all those other devices are to limited18:03
Lava_Croftless chance of shit not working18:03
Lava_CroftShapeshifter: there was a way to check up on the wakeups the CPU gets18:04
Lava_Croftso you can find out any possible offending applications that might drain your battery18:04
Lava_Croftbut meh, i forgot exactly how, maybe i just cough DocScrutinizer05's name18:04
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ShapeshifterLava_Croft: mhh. seems like there's no powertop packages for the n900. must be something else.18:11
Lava_Croftthere is18:11
Lava_CroftShapeshifter: in my experience, over the years, it mostly was 'handy' statusmenu plugins orso that used python that would drain my battery18:13
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ShapeshifterLava_Croft: the only ones I use are the one that comes with profilesX and orientation lock18:31
Shapeshifterand screen brightness.18:31
ShapeshifterI think sooner or later I'll go for one of the cheap nokia WP8 phones... They can't do much but have very good maps/navigation, good performance even on cheap models (unlike power hungry android) and the battery usually lasts several days. But not yet... <3 maemo18:33
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Shapeshifterbtw, is erminig-ng still the only tool able to sync multiple google calendars?18:41
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Lava_Croftwait around for jolla18:50
Lava_Croftor wait for nokia to start produces phones with software that people want18:51
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Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: I try to get the application I own on Ovi the same way I got my N900 back20:25
Lava_CroftWhine openly to Nokia on social media20:26
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johnathondodeHi guys.23:35
johnathondodeI am having an issue with the N900 wherein it refuses to get a GPS lock.23:36
johnathondodeIt is stuck at "Looking for GPS.."23:36
johnathondodeAnyone faced any similar issues?23:36
ecc3gcheck your SUPL server? (settings/Location/Network positioning)23:38 /
johnathondodeTried both23:38
johnathondodeThe GPS icon keeps blinking non stop in the notification tray as well.23:38
ecc3gdo you have "GPSData" from extras?23:40
ecc3gsee if you can get the signal from any satellites at all?23:41
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johnathondodeI just installed GPSData, but it simply crashed and disappeared as soon as I ran it.23:45
johnathondodeCould it be possible that my GPS hardware thingy is done for good?23:46
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ecc3ghmm...that's not a good sign...23:52
ecc3geven after reboot?23:52
ecc3gI think my 5230 has a more sensitive GPS receiver than my n900...23:53
johnathondodeYes, it's almost never worked since I bought it second hand23:54
johnathondodeWell not almost, never.23:54
johnathondodeI guess it's time has really run out :/23:55
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ecc3ghmm...did you ever reflash it?23:59
ecc3gthat would rule out software conflicts...23:59

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