IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2013-05-15

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RiDHello. My N900 display backlight does not always work.01:03
RiDThe screen works (it always shows the pixels) but the backlight is mostly off. Sometimes it blinks on and then off again.01:04
ApicI guess You no longer have Warranty?01:05
kerioflaky ribbon cable?01:06
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RiDI think so. I tried unplugging it and plugging it again (to the motherboard) but it didn't help at all.01:15
RiDIt might be on the "cable - lcd" part?01:15
sixwheeledbeastRiD: if possible faulty ribbon cable see ~fixribbon01:16
RiDinfobot is dead01:16
infoboti heard fixribbon is
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sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: I gave up with wget and used a less fully-automated effort :(01:17
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RiDthis is a headache. I fix the right speaker, the earspeaker, change the keyboard, and now the display hates me :P01:20
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RiDafter i fix the display, something else will die01:20
freemangordonRiD: what's wrong with the display?01:21
freemangordonooh, backscrll I guess01:21
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RiDbacklight, yes01:23
RiDthe image is good though01:23
RiDits just the backlight01:23
freemangordonyeah, bad luck01:24
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RiDso... just the cable or the lcd is somehow involved in this?01:26
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DocScrutinizer51why infobot dead?01:34
sixwheeledbeasthe's not.01:34
infobot:), sixwheeledbeast01:35
DocScrutinizer51sure, that's why I ask01:35
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sixwheeledbeastI guess because I did a factiod mid-sentence and nothing happened? I know this is correct behaviour but possibly why bot was "deemed" to be OOA01:39
DocScrutinizer51hmm, possible01:41
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DocScrutinizer51there's only one mid sentence "factoid" that apt aka purl aka infobot aka ibot senses: thanks01:42
DocScrutinizer51like thanks to infobot01:43
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DocScrutinizer51thanks to ibot01:43
DocScrutinizer51thanks to purl01:43
infobotgern geschehen, DocScrutinizer5101:43
DocScrutinizer51there's only one mid sentence "factoid" that apt aka purl aka infobot aka ibot aka purl senses: thanks01:43
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DocScrutinizer51senses thanks to purl01:44
infobotSince Mon May 13 17:45:25 2013, there have been 1 modification, 61 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 42 commands.  I have been awake for 1d 4h 59m 47s this session, and currently reference 119051 factoids.  I'm using about 23496 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 328.6/6.26 child 0.01/001:45
infobot126/126 channels, 4805 users, 3490 unique: #debian/1234, #kde/379, #gsoc/342, #maemo/226, #asterisk/156, #wowuidev/141, #oe/133, #harmattan/118, #meego/118, #cubieboard/108, #wowace/107, #arm-netbook/105, #utah/94, #webos-internals/81, #wowhead/79, #openmoko/71, #bzflag/67, #openmoko-cdevel/64, #tomcat/58, #uclibc/54, #maemo-ssu/53, #edev/52, #uphpu/46, #curseforge/44, #asterisk-dev/43, #/42, #n9/40, #sc2mapster/40, #htc-linux/38, #elinux/35, ...01:45
infobot- Uptime for purl -01:46
infobotNow: 1d 5h 55s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux01:46
infobot1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 201001:46
infobot2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 200901:46
infobot3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 200901:46
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kwtm2Hi. What's the latest version of Python for N900? Is it Python 2.6 yet?02:06
kwtm2infobot: seen kwtm202:08
infobotkwtm2 is currently on #maemo (1m 37s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 5s, last said: 'infobot: seen kwtm2'.02:08
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kerioi'm not sure why, but my battery has become a 1600mAh battery10:03
keriovi__1: you were right!10:04
kerioand that's 1600mAh at a constant ~180mA draw10:04
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infobotfrom memory, vi is the best text editor in the world.11:21
infobotwell, vi__ is 13:21 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: you're absolutely right11:21
vi__1infobot, vi__1 is < kerio > vi__1: you were right!11:22
infobotokay, vi__111:22
infobotmethinks vi__1 is < kerio > vi__1: you were right!11:22
vi__1lock vi__111:22
vi__1~lock vii_111:22
vi__1!lock vi__111:23
vi__1infobot, lock vi__111:23
infobotvi__1: locking factoid vi__111:23
DocScrutinizer05panic mode?11:23
vi__1I am collecting karma.11:23
vi__1kerio: I told you it was real!11:23
vi__1bq27x00 does not lie.11:23
DocScrutinizer05vi__1: "~" and "infobot:" are identical (except for "no," which I nrever understood)11:25
DocScrutinizer05so ~lock vi__1 would've worked11:27
DocScrutinizer05not ~lock vii_1 though11:28
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ApicA splendid good Morning to You all.12:20
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DocScrutinizer05to you as well12:34
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ludensis it possible to install checkinstall in scratchbox?12:36
* ludens is failing with debhelper12:36
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DocScrutinizer05ask freemangordon, I think he's most experienced in installing any new tools to scratchbox. After all he brought new improved gcc et al to cssu-thumb12:41
ludensi mean ah12:42
DocScrutinizer05however keep in mind that you won't find any of those new leete tools on maemo-extras autobuilder, so it might get difficult to promote any such "advanced" package to extras repo12:43
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Paliand btw promotion is not working...12:47
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ludenswelp, creating .debs for the N900 in SB seems to be way beyond me anyway. everything is too old for the build to work13:17
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Paliludens: copy that package from debian etch or squeeze13:35
Palithat should compile in maemo scratchbox13:35
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Paliludens: also you did not specified why it is not working... so nobody cannot help you...13:35
ludensi know :)13:36
ludensi just wanted to know if that is a common thing that happens13:36
ludensPali: i can probably get it to compile in scratchbox, the trouble is creating a .deb that i can install on my phone13:37
Palidebhelper7 is in extras-devel and I test it working13:37
ludensyeah i think i got it working13:37
Paliso if you can compile it in scratchbox it is ok?13:37
ludensi havent tried that13:38
Paliand creating deb package is not hard then13:38
ludensit isnt?13:38
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Palidh_make will generate debian/ folder13:38
Palibut use dh_make outside scratchbox on some debian/ubuntu13:38
ludensoh why?13:38
Paliuse "dh_make -r old" which generate debian/rules compatible with debhelper 4 and 513:39
PaliI think that in scratchbox is version of dh_make which not working correctly13:39
ludensi see13:40
Palibtw, after generating, make sure that you change debian/compat to "5"13:40
DocScrutinizer05[context pointer] on elections, and particularly SD69's take on his responsibilities in those (referring to pending BoD election), see: last section, and previous posts.13:40
povbotBug 12612: Community Council election process isn't working at all13:40
ludensPali: okay. thanks for all this advice13:41
ludenswill see if i can get anywhere with it13:41
DocScrutinizer05Pali: and btw we have nobody capable to look into it. Don't you understand it hurts me seeing you mentioning it (and implicitly blaming me) every so often, without understanding *why* promotion doesn't work13:43
DocScrutinizer05Pali: and btw, *YOU* still didn't stand up and volunteered to have a look into it, to fix it13:44
DocScrutinizer05Pali: and also whom-it-may-concern: we have severe issues with midgard (the CMS behind large parts of our infra) being broken since migration#1 (nokia->nemein) at least. Missing data and a corrupted-to-fubar mysql table (religard). This renders a significant part of services and functions around ** broken or at least in a non-maintainable state - including promotion I guess13:52
DocScrutinizer05@all: MIDGARD esperts URGENTLY NEEDED!13:55
DocScrutinizer05we had jacekowski to look into autobuilder, but he never contented with being a maintainer and pushed for sysop privileges while not complying with the mandatory rules any sysop on maemo is required to adhere to. When he wasn't able to push his ideas of "give me root access on everywhere", he ragequit13:59
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DocScrutinizer05so our current state is: we have nobody with more than absolute beginner's insght into autobuilder, and we have nobody taking care about midgard and fixing the zillions of problem symptoms we see there14:03
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divVerentlooks like my headphone jack is breaking down... probably not really worth repairing now unless doing it myself, I suppose14:03
divVerentluckily there is fmtxd ;)14:03
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DocScrutinizer05divVerent: swapping AV receptacle is a 30min low effort task any arbitrary Nokia service center is capable to do14:04
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DocScrutinizer05(30min being a really generous estimation, incl the time for printing the receipt and having a short chat)14:34
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DocScrutinizer05divVerent: when you elaborate a bit about nature of the perceived breakage, I might be able to give advice how to fix it yourself14:39
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ludensPali: well, i found a wheezy .deb that i managed to install instead of building myself, but thanks anyway16:29
ludensdoes anyone know hot to change the BusyBox greeting message in osso-xterm btw?16:30
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ecc3gmeaning "BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian built-in shell (ash)"?  thought that was part of busybox?16:32
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ludensthe thing is i use a different shell16:32
ludensbut i launch it from busybox16:32
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ludensin my .profile16:33
ludensso it just looks a bit odd16:33
ecc3goh weird. busybox ash is behaving very weird on my x86 box...16:33
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ecc3gprobably safest way is to hack your busybox binary not to display the banner, but if you're using bash I wonder what would happen if you just chsh'ed...16:46
ecc3g(chsh not recommended if you're not using a type of bourne shell of course)16:46
ludensno i dont want to chsh16:47
ludensand i dont have chsh anyway16:48
ecc3gweird, I have chsh on my n900... (but busybox ash works fine enough for me...)16:48
ludensoh i did have it16:49
ludensthat's strange16:49
ludensi couldnt find it an hour ago16:49
ecc3ghmm... i should blacklist ipv6 somehow... or figure out how to do ipv6 on tmobile...16:50
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DocScrutinizer05chsh might mess up stuff for you18:06
DocScrutinizer05system boot is tested against messybox for user "user" only, and there been times where people that succeeded in chsh to bash found themselves in a bootloop since bash (+ proper coreutils) broke initscripts18:08
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DocScrutinizer05or rather, initscripts failed on proper coreutils since they relied on messybox broken behaviour18:09
DocScrutinizer05this might be obsolete info, just saying18:09
DocScrutinizer05anyway, I still enter "bash" as first command after every login18:10
DocScrutinizer05(this even while bash is considered 'safe' for user "root")18:11
DocScrutinizer05funny enough it been some of the late init stuff in hildon desktop or sth like that, which broke when user "user" has no proper messybox shell as default login shell, while root been fine no matter what18:12
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DocScrutinizer05you might find some helpful details on18:18
ludensDocScrutinizer05: yeah thats why i dont want to chsh18:21
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divVerentDocScrutinizer05: the headphone breakage is that both channels sometimes work and sometimes not18:28
divVerenttouching the plug tends to fix/break it18:28
divVerenti did try other headphones18:28
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DocScrutinizer05divVerent: it seems that a very common problem with AV-receptacle are the contact springst that connect the component to PCB18:38
DocScrutinizer05the spring tips as well as golden pads on PCB may collect dirt of any kind, and that will spoil proper operation18:39
DocScrutinizer05the component isn't soldered to PCB, as you might have guessed from prev lines18:40
DocScrutinizer05the bright side of this: no solder points means no damage to PCB by excessive mech force to the AV-recptcl18:41
DocScrutinizer05and you can swap the component withing minutes, with your only tool being a torx-T6 and a phillips-Ph018:42
DocScrutinizer05(just in case it's actually damaged)18:43
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divVerentDocScrutinizer05: thanks, that is good news...20:05
divVerentI can't solder small parts, only big wires ;)20:05
divVerentbut, I can use a Torx ;)20:05
divVerentand have some, although not here (in a few weeks I will have them again)20:05
divVerentcurrently in the process of moving, that's why20:06
divVerenttill then, fmtxd will do20:06
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divVerentwhile at it... is the N900's flash memory in some way "file system aware"?20:06
divVerentI noticed I quite often lose data (mostly on unclean reboots) on my extra partition20:07
divVerentit MIGHT not get unmounted cleanly when battery is empty, but NORMALLY this doesn't harm ext3 much20:07
divVerentso does the N900's wear levelling maybe assume specific file system structures, and this is what breaks it (I use a dm-crypt volume)?20:07
divVerentfor now, I changed the ext3 mount to safest possible options, MAYBE this will help20:08
divVerentwhen I did lose data, e2fsck finds a LOT of problems20:14
divVerentweirdly of files that I didn't even touch for ages20:15
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DocScrutinizer05flash is is reas-modify-write on pages that are several MB in size20:33
DocScrutinizer05flash does read-modify-write on pages that are several MB in size20:34
DocScrutinizer05and wear leveling results in the content cobstantly moving from one page to another20:34
DocScrutinizer05ext3 doesn't help on any of that20:35
divVerentsure... well, which FS does?20:35
divVerentvfat sure neither ;)20:35
DocScrutinizer05au contraire20:35
divVerentI also had tried ext220:36
divVerentvfat is not an option at all, as I use it for /home/user, and that really needs e.g. the executable flag feature and symbolic links to work20:36
DocScrutinizer05ext3 has a journal that has advantages for normal HDD since it's one file on disk that gets sequential writes, so no head moves are needed20:36
divVerentmain reason for ext3 and not ext2 was hoping that the data losses happen less with ext3 due to journal... but this didn't seem to help20:37
divVerentit goes equally bad with ext2 and ext320:37
DocScrutinizer05for falsh such journal is counter-productive20:37
DocScrutinizer05since the flash driver better doesn't read-modify-write a 64MB page for each sector written to journal20:38
divVerentsure, but let's ignore the journal20:38
DocScrutinizer05so huge parts of your journal end in cache20:38
divVerentthat one is about write cycles... but these were not the problem here20:38
divVerentas the issue also happened with ext220:38
divVerentmain reason why I currently have it on ext3 is that other FS on N900 use ext3 too, so I need to modprobe nothing ;)20:39
DocScrutinizer05what is *it*?20:39
divVerentI made an extra partition for this20:39
divVerentand mount it via dm-crypt20:39
DocScrutinizer05then blame dm-crypt20:39
divVerentit works fine everywhere else20:39
divVerentMAYBE my shutdown handling is broken, so let's just assume it IS not cleanly unmounted20:39
divVerentbut normally ext3 can handle that (and so can ext2)20:40
divVerent(although fsck on start usually tells me it WAS cleanly unmounted)20:40
divVerentalso, I really NEED dm-crypt :(20:40
DocScrutinizer05you've read what I wrote above?20:40
divVerentbut I get no solution from that yet20:40
divVerent"not using dm-crypt" is not viable...20:40
DocScrutinizer05with flash you tend to have *huge* cache20:40
divVerentyes, which is fine by me20:41
divVerentalthough, all I really NEED encrypted is the email passwords20:41
DocScrutinizer05filled with dirty pages that pend writeback20:41
divVerentor alternatively, never stored to flash by modest20:41
divVerentif only modest had an option "do not save password to flash", it'd be all fine too ;)20:41
divVerent(same goes for the emails themselves, but that cache can be easily kept clean, I suppose... so if I can somehow get rid of the stored passwords, the rest is something I sure should somehow be able to fix)20:42
DocScrutinizer05I think passwords are stpored to gconf20:42
divVerentthat is the issue20:42
divVerental I want to prevent is that if someone steals my device, he gets access to all my accounts everywhere20:43
divVerentand once you have the email account, you have everything20:43
DocScrutinizer05I also think a tweaked dconf schema can make those critical keys get stored to e.g. ramdisk instead of ~user/20:43
divVerentbut then I likely need to create the whole email account again every time...20:43
divVerentwhich is also very annoying20:44
divVerentI would want to ONLY lose the password on boot20:44
divVerentso modest will try to auth, get a reply of bad password, then ask me20:44
divVerentlike it already does when the PW is wrong20:44
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DocScrutinizer05well, that sounds simple enough20:44
divVerentand yes, it may indeed be that dm-crypt causes some breakage (like extra level of caching not properly handled on power off or flush) here20:44
DocScrutinizer05just make the gconf file with the passwords read-only20:45
divVerenthm... that may be worth a try20:45
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divVerentleaves the emails THEMSELVES; though... but 1. this should be easier to fix, and 2. if it won't receive any NEW password reset emails, I should still be pretty safe ;)20:46
divVerentBTW, is there a known lock code bypass exploit for the N900?20:46
divVerentit sure does not have the feautres of the iPhone that lead to all those exploits (like camera or contacts available from lock screen)20:47
DocScrutinizer05there's a nown way to reset lockcode20:47
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divVerentwithout powering off and on again?20:47
divVerentthen I know it ;)20:48
divVerentit is called reflash with hacked image containing e.g. backupmenu20:48
divVerentwhich sure can be built SOMEHOW20:48
divVerenthm... I indeed may get away with making those gconf files read only...20:49
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divVerentthey look like they contain no keys that change when using email normally20:50
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inzdivVerent, btw, gconf and thus email passwords are in /var/lib/gconf20:57
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divVerentyes, I foudn them21:00
divVerentin that server_accounts dir21:01
divVerentI now copied my data to the nonencrypted part, but before, cleared the passwords, and gave that dir the +i attribute21:01
divVerentsimple read only by chmod probably won't do anything, because gconfd runs as root21:01
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divVerentlet's see if modest works after entering the passwords21:01
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divVerentyes, looks like it worked, modest now asks once on first poll, then not again21:06
divVerentand nothing is saved to gconf ;)21:06
divVerentthanks, that helped21:07
divVerentlooks like for all other crypto needs, I can use encfs then21:13
divVerentnow if only I could get an account to upload a package to testing... I oncce made an encfs package (recompiled Debian's sources), but then applied for an account and never got a response21:16
divVerentnow I don't have the package any more, but it was easy to do, so I can soon do it again21:17
freemangordondivVerent: you don;t have a garage account?21:17
divVerentI do still have it installed on my n900 though ;)21:17
divVerentI wanted to create one, but failed21:17
freemangordondid you apply for one?21:17
divVerentthis was during the server move stuff though21:17
divVerentprobably got lost21:17
freemangordonooh, try now, afaik it should work21:17
divVerentfailed, as in, never got an email on it21:17
freemangordonmerlin1991: ain't? ^^^21:18
divVerentwell, garage account I got21:18
divVerentbut there was this extra requirement to be able to upload to devel21:18
divVerentwhere was that pßart again21:19
divVerentright, this "invitation to upload" process was where I got lost21:19
freemangordonhmm, I see21:20
freemangordonI guess you can reapply :)21:20
divVerentjust did21:21
divVerentalthough it probably will take me two or three weeks till I have a "real PC" working again21:21
divVerent(as in, one capable of running the maemo SDK)21:21
divVerentcurrently I am in the process of moving, and only have my eeepc 701, which sure can't run a VM ;)21:21
freemangordondivVerent: get VM image21:21
divVerenteeepc 701 is that thing with a 4G SSD21:22
divVerentwell, TECHNICALLY I could plug in a 1T USB drive ;)21:22
divVerentbut the CPU is still... rock bottom21:22
divVerentN900 level ;)21:22
divVerentCeleron 630 MHz21:22
freemangordonwait, cortex-a8 should be faster than that ;)21:22
divVerentdepends ;)21:22
divVerentin my experience, in some things the N900 is actually faster21:23
divVerentbut usually not21:23
divVerentthe eeepc wins by RAM... it has 2G21:23
freemangordondivVerent: 256 MB21:23
divVerenton the N900, I at each reboot enable swap on the mmc121:23
divVerentat priority 1 ;)21:23
divVerentso the eMMC isn't overused21:23
divVerentand have some old 4G microSD inserted I have no other use for ;)21:24
freemangordondid you install CSSU-thumb?21:24
divVerentno, didn't dare to yet21:24
divVerentmy main worry is whether it will cut me off from "regular" CSSU upgrades... like, are the CSSU-thumb packages built automatically when CSSU stuff is uploaded?21:25
freemangordonhmm, why is that, do you have some particular fears?21:25
divVerentor does it lag behind?21:25
freemangordondivVerent: it is meant to lag, but not much, by some 1-2 weeks21:25
divVerentalso, when using cssu-thumb21:25
divVerentcan one still use the regular extras repositories?21:25
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freemangordonthe point is that I waut stuff to ba assumed stable in cssu-t before moving to cssu-thumb21:25
freemangordonsure you can21:25
freemangordonotherwise the whole exercise will be pointless21:26
divVerentoh, so it only affects the community repo... then it's probably safe21:26
freemangordonit is for sure safe ;)21:26
divVerentthe kernel itself I can somewhat trust...21:26
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infobotit has been said that cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or
divVerentbut in case it breaks, I would like to have a nice way to backup/restore the whole system21:26
divVerentreflashing then installing all those packages again would take me quite some hours21:26
divVerentso I'd prefer to avoid that21:26
freemangordondivVerent: well, it depends on what you mean by "break"21:27
divVerentbackupmenu handles MOST of it, only the kernel not.l..21:27
divVerentso it probably is ok21:27
divVerentI SUPPOSE a quick procedure would be taking a few min to get all dependencies of backupmenu available as .debs21:27
freemangordonI am using it on my primary device since the begining (as you may suppose) never needed to even enable RD mode21:27
divVerentthen I can uise rsync to copy away whole /21:27
divVerentand restore it later after a fresh reflash21:27
divVerent(from within backupmenu)21:27
divVerentthat should probably be safe then21:28
divVerentRD mode has one purpose: not needing the rootsh package ;)21:28
freemangordondivVerent: you can disable lifegurd reboots ;)21:28
divVerentthe rest looked quite uninteresting to me21:28
divVerenthm... wait... NOW I get it21:28
divVerentthen it may actually make sense ;)21:28
divVerentdoes that mean I can get rid of some processes I don't need? ;)21:28
freemangordonwhich is of greate usefulness if you screw it up21:29
divVerentwhich I normally cannot get rid of without dsme rebooting the system21:29
divVerentlike browserd (I use opera)21:29
freemangordonwell, I guess it is not intended to be used that way :D21:29
divVerentIIRC only SMS/MMS otherwise uses browserd21:29
freemangordonooh, forget about browserd21:29
freemangordonall the conversations AND modest AND ovi maps AND ...21:29
divVerentoh, modest too? ok then21:30
freemangordonwhat else?21:30
divVerentovi maps, don't care21:30
DocScrutinizer05divVerent: nope21:30
divVerentthing is, wasting RAM for TWO browsers is... insane21:30
DocScrutinizer05to get rid of browserd (if that even was possible) you need to change the way the process gets started21:30
freemangordondivVerent: it does not work like that21:30
keriowrite a different rtcom-messaging ui21:30
freemangordondivVerent: when not used, browserd is SIGSTOPped21:31
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: parking browserd in swap would be the same21:31
freemangordonand actually goes to swap21:31
divVerentyes, too bad it is actually USED quite often :(21:31
freemangordonkerio: it is even better, no symbol resolution happens on wake-up21:31
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divVerentthing is, my eeepc has only 80M RAM use after fresh boot, with a single chromium window open21:32
divVerentwhy can't the N90021:32
freemangordondivVerent: do you have sim card in your n900?21:32
keriobecause the N900 does a ton more shit than your eeepc with a single chromium window open21:32
divVerentfreemangordon: yes21:33
divVerentI know it does run a few more useful processes ;)21:33
freemangordondo you have IM accounts, e-mail accounts, etc set up?21:33
kerioi don't have modest running =D21:33
freemangordonFEW more? come on :P21:33
divVerentfreemangordon: chromium is FAT21:34
divVerentcompared to opera ;)21:34
freemangordondivVerent: also, there are a couple of things in stock Maemo that leak memory like mad :D21:34
keriodillo and w3m also use less ram than chromium21:34
keriothey're also about as good as opera21:34
divVerentI would actuallylike using dillo on n900 ;)21:34
freemangordonand what are those useful for?21:34
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freemangordondivVerent: AFAIK there is a port21:35
divVerentfreemangordon: yes21:35
divVerentI know, that is what "OptimizeN900" is for21:35
divVerentfreemangordon: there is, but it does not work well21:35
freemangordonhmm, what is it for?21:35
divVerentdillo's UI relies quite much on having 3 mouse buttons21:35
divVerentI would have to patch dillo to work with pen properly21:35
keriofreemangordon: probably, a lot of cargo culting21:35
divVerentkerio: it is21:35
divVerentit basically is lots of kill and sleep commands21:35
divVerentto kill virtually all processes one CAN kill21:35
keriodivVerent: xmodmap or something, to have shift+touch and fn+touch as right and middle click21:35
divVerentand doing it so slow dsme won't reboot the thing21:35
divVerentkerio: even with that21:36
divVerentholding shift or fn for just scrolling is mad21:36
keriodillo's got scrollbars21:36
keriohasn't it21:36
divVerentyes, tiny scrollbars ;)21:36
divVerentI would like to be able to use it with the fingers though21:36
divVerentyes, I expect a lot of a browser ;)21:36
divVerentopera is mostly what I want21:37
divVerentjust still slow sometimes21:37
divVerentwhile dillo is quite INSANE FAST on the n90021:37
divVerentif it weren't for the UI problems, I'd use it every day21:37
keriono you wouldn't21:37
kerioit's an awful browser21:38
kerioit /doesn't support CSS/21:38
divVerentthe N900 only offers awful browsers though ;)21:38
divVerentI know it does not21:38
divVerentso what, the web looks ugly then21:38
divVerentas long as it WORKS...21:38
freemangordonif it is browser at all, I checked on their website a week or so ago, they still PLAN to support(fully) CSS21:38
divVerentand modern stuff like youtube doesn't work on the N900 anyway21:38
DocScrutinizer05((<divVerent> and doing it so slow dsme won't reboot the thing)) HUH? dsme won't reboot on killing 20 different processes in one second21:38
kerioit does21:38
divVerentI mean... it seems to work best in MicroB and the youtube mobile views21:38
divVerentbut the media player can't seak in these rtsp(?) streams21:38
freemangordondivVerent: hmm, what? this is flash what you see21:39
DocScrutinizer05it will reboot on killing same process 3 times in one minute21:39
divVerentfreemangordon: depends21:39
freemangordonalso, for yourtube it is best to use qml/cutetube21:39
divVerentfreemangordon: youtube desktop view on N900 uses flash21:39
divVerentyoutube mobile view uses a text link to some stream21:39
divVerentthe former shows at 2fps21:39
divVerentthe latter works at full fps but can't seek21:39
freemangordonhmm, never tried mobile version, TBH21:39
keriofullscreen youtube videos work kinda smoothly for me21:39
divVerentneed to try this qml thing then21:40
kerioanyway, there are firefox extensions to get the link to the mp4 video21:40
divVerentI know the N900 TECHNICALLY can handle youtube content just fine21:40
divVerentI mean, downloading and playing works21:40
DocScrutinizer05also it doesn't make *any* sense to kill processes "slow enough" since dsme will restart them anyway, no matter how slow you kill them21:40
divVerentDocScrutinizer05: it SOMEWHAT makes sense21:40
divVerentbut not with the huge sleeps this script does21:40
divVerentit takes like 30 sec to run throuhg21:40
divVerentI did manage to reboot the N900 by killing browserd 10 times by uparrow-enter only21:41
divVerentbut the exact threshold I do not know21:41
DocScrutinizer05dsmetool --help21:41
DocScrutinizer05  -c --max-count=N                Restart process only maximum N times21:42
DocScrutinizer05                                   in defined period of time21:42
DocScrutinizer05                                   (the default is 10 times in 60 s)21:42
DocScrutinizer05  -T --count-time=N               Set period for restart check21:42
DocScrutinizer05                                   (default 60 s)21:42
DocScrutinizer05that's your exact threshold, unless the init.d/* job (or whatever) starts the process via dsmetool with different thresholds21:44
divVerentdoesn't that mean one has to wait for 6 seconds between kills to be safe?21:44
divVerentis the threshold counted separately per managed process, or does any kill count into the same threshold?21:44
divVerentif it is a per-process count, then OptimizeN900 shouldn't need any sleeps at all ;)21:45
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DocScrutinizer05no, since dsme monitors each process separately21:46
DocScrutinizer05and each process has it's own thresholds21:47
DocScrutinizer05(if any)21:47
DocScrutinizer05(see -o)21:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: is there a way to remove monitors?21:47
DocScrutinizer05and -r21:47
DocScrutinizer05kerio: -k21:48
DocScrutinizer05  -k --stop=<cmd>                 Stop a process started with cmd21:48
divVerentoh, just read the cssu-thumb page again... so cssu-thumb no longer uses a changed kernel?21:48
divVerenteven better21:48
freemangordonkilling/restarting processes every couple of seconds will eat the battery in hours21:48
divVerentas that means anything else can be done/undone on the device itself via backupmenu, if I get this right21:48
divVerentfreemangordon: OptimizeN900 only does it once on request21:49
divVerentso that is sure no issue21:49
DocScrutinizer05divVerent: you got sth wrong there21:49
DocScrutinizer05thumb will crash like mad with stock kernel21:49
divVerentwith kernel-power, I mean21:49
divVerentI am already running that one21:49
freemangordondivVerent: honestly, I dont know what this thing does, never used it and don;t plan to ;)21:49
divVerentIf you have kernel-power v51r1 or above, no custom kernel will be installed, as needed errata workaround is included in kernel-power v51r1 (and above)21:49
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: +100021:50
divVerentfreemangordon: I had hoped it can help work around some nasty crashes/hangs...21:50
DocScrutinizer05smells like "ACME registry optimizer"21:50
divVerentbut the only thing that DOES hang sometimes is not killed by it21:50
divVerentwell, it IS harmless though21:50
divVerentit's a mere shell script killing stuff ;)21:50
divVerentbut, WHY DOES NOT NOT KILL THAT mafw media player thing21:50
divVerentTHAT one sometimes DOES hang21:50
divVerentand then videos never unpause21:51
DocScrutinizer05IOW an idiot elaborate21:51
divVerentI mean, this script is a "shotgun", but the only useful target it doesn't hit ;)21:51
DocScrutinizer05even worse, smells like.... crappatch21:51
freemangordondivVerent: the only really useful thing AFAIK is the software that was used to tweak nr_requests, can;t remember the name. but it is not really neede, the same thing is achieved by a simple script in /etc/event.d21:51
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freemangordondivVerent: every other "optimize" scripts does nothing(in the best case) but harm(in usual case)21:52
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yeah, exactly21:52
DocScrutinizer05yeah, exactly ;-D21:53
kerioyeah, exactly21:53
freemangordonhehe :D21:53
* ShadowJK has obtained a samsung microsdxc pro 64G card :321:53
DocScrutinizer05if there was much to "optimize" in maemo5, Nokia most likely had done it with PR1.3 the latest21:53
freemangordonShadowJK: congrats21:53
kerioShadowJK: :321:53
freemangordonor better said - welcome to the club :)21:54
ShadowJKkerio; not yet21:54
kerioaww 3:21:54
freemangordonkerio: hmm, you don't trust my benchmarks? :(21:54
divVerenthm... just tried installing cssu-thumb, but something is not right with the instructions... it did not ask me for any accept/done stuff21:54
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divVerentbut immediately went to the point that a SW update blinks21:54
divVerentis that normal?21:54
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how 16 pcs 64GB uSD stacked on top of each other would look like21:55
divVerentit IS the right SW update21:55
keriofreemangordon: what were your benchmarks?21:55
freemangordondivVerent: you have KP already installed, what do expect to be asked for?21:55
ShadowJKfreemangordon; i don't trust crystaldisk ;)21:55
divVerentfreemangordon: EULAs? ;)21:55
divVerentfreemangordon: mainly saying that I ended up in step 7 and not 5 :P21:55
ShadowJKActually, crystaldisk's methodology of first creating a large file, then testing, clears the card's high-speed log-structured SLC cache :)21:56
* freemangordon talks to the phone21:56
DocScrutinizer05thinking back, I pondered (~1980) to create digital audio storage to replace the tape in Phillips cassette, when I looked at that transparent demagnetizer electronic cassette21:57
divVerentalso, I wonder if CSSU enabler needs to be run again or not21:57
divVerentwhen going from CSSU to CSSU-thumb21:57
DocScrutinizer05back then, I thought: "maybe I'll wittness the times when this becomes feasible)21:57
divVerentprobably not, as no icon of it appeared in the application list21:58
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freemangordondivVerent: EULA? what EULA if you are on CSSU already?!?21:58
divVerentfreemangordon: ;)21:58
divVerentmainly referring that the list of steps to follow is not really exact21:59
divVerentI _suppose_ it is all right21:59
freemangordondivVerent: they are meant for non-CSSU users21:59
divVerentand will I have to run CSSU enabler again manually?21:59
divVerentit got updated in the process21:59
divVerentthat is why I am asking21:59
freemangordondivVerent: you can check in settings->about CSSU after the reboot21:59
divVerentbut no icon of it appeared in the applications list, as I already have run it once21:59
freemangordonsure, it is how it is supposed to be22:00
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divVerentJFTR, HAM sucks ;)22:00
divVerentI wonder how often it is running apt-get update, given how slow it is ;)22:00
DocScrutinizer05no, HAM is teaching you ZEN22:00
divVerentanother way to phrase it this is22:00
freemangordonShadowJK: well, it'll be interesting to compare your results with crystaldiskmark's22:01
ShadowJKfreemangordon; oh, I ran it on that adata card I talked about, and it gave higher results22:01
freemangordonbut according to iostat I have average 2-3MB/s, with top of abot 18MB/s22:02
freemangordonon the device that si22:02
DocScrutinizer05go figure: 1TB in a volume of a sugarcube22:02
divVerentDocScrutinizer05: doesn't sound impressive to me yet22:02
divVerent16 microSD cards of 64GB each stacked... is about a sugar cube ;)22:02
ShadowJKMy current sandisk extreme pro does 5-10M sometimes when swapping heavily, and that 18-20 on bulk io :)22:02
freemangordonShadowJK: what FS?22:03
DocScrutinizer05even in times of CD you had to carry well... more than you could carry, to take one TB with you22:03
ShadowJKusing ext422:03
freemangordonI am talking about ext422:03
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: is this a way to say that you're old?22:03
divVerentBTW, I recently encountered a weird fontconfig or xterm bug/feature/issue22:03
freemangordonShadowJK: read or write?22:03
divVerentI have two fonts, both I exported using fontforge22:03
divVerentbut for one, I cannot select the "Medium" typeface in xterm22:04
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I'm an adult22:04
divVerentit will always show up as bold22:04
ShadowJKfreemangordon; both, iirc22:04
divVerentworkaround: telling fontconfig via config file to not embolden this font22:04
divVerent(both have no bold variant)22:04
kerioi'm also an adult, and i barely remember that time :D22:04
freemangordonShadowJK: however, I will wait for your benchmarks, so we'll be able to compare22:05
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ShadowJKiirc sandisk claims 95R / 90W for the card, but that's in UHS-I low voltage mode22:05
ShadowJKwhich n900 can't do22:05
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ShadowJKnow getting 15M write to the sandisk on-device..22:07
freemangordonShadowJK: yesh, we can't go over 18-20 afaik22:07
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* freemangordon tries to remember the clock22:08
freemangordonor 80MHz?22:08
freemangordondivVerent: did cssu-thumb install fine?22:10
ShadowJKI think it's 50MHz22:10
ShadowJKiirc uhs adds a 100MHz DDR mode22:10
divVerentfreemangordon: no22:13
divVerentit told me to use Nokia PC suite22:13
divVerentwhich I don#t have22:14
divVerentwhat did I do wrong then?22:14
freemangordondivVerent: oh, come on, read the "problems" tab in HAM22:14
divVerent#a problems tab?22:14
freemangordonyou have some conflicting package installed22:14
divVerentah, ok22:14
freemangordonyes, in HAM22:14
divVerentwhy can#t it TELL me so? ;)22:15
freemangordonZEN, remember? :P22:15
divVerentI see no errors there, though22:15
divVerentin the apt log output22:15
divVerentapartt from some weird22:15
divVerentRemoving '(null)'22:15
divVerentwhich however still got an "OK" after it22:16
divVerentas well as the GPG errors that always come22:16
divVerentlooks like I'll now try via apt on the command line22:16
freemangordondivVerent: check the "problems" tab22:17
divVerentthere is no such tab22:17
freemangordonthere is, if yopu are told to use PC-suite22:17
divVerentI was told in a modal dialog22:18
divVerentthat only had a button to create a backup22:18
divVerentwhich I did, but then it didn't continue either22:18
divVerentI can't give you the exact wording as it shows up in German here22:18
freemangordongo back, and check "installing" or whatever it was called22:18
divVerentok, we'll see in a few hours ;) when HAM is done searching again22:19
freemangordondivVerent: me speaks no German :D22:19
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divVerentvia command-line apt, I did notice the mp-community-fremantle-pr is "held back"22:19
divVerentwhich is SURE not what I want to happen22:19
freemangordonexactly, that is why you should check "problems" tab in HAM to see what is the exact problem22:20
DigitalPioneeryou got PM22:20
divVerentlet's see if I find the tab this time22:20
BigBoxDriverJa. "Was war denn defekt. Keine Ahnung, wir konnten plötzlich keine Daten mehr lesn22:20
DigitalPioneerdivVerent: ^^^22:20
divVerentok, for checking22:21
divVerentI am on the update view of HAM, click "Update all"22:21
divVerentit asks me if I am fine with using 42.5 MB: I clock continue.22:21
BigBoxDriverUnd was habt ihr dann gemacht? "Platten ausgebaut und die neuen, grösseren Platten eingebaut. Jetzt läuft wieder alles. Ne, wir wissen nicht in welcher reihenfolge die platten angehängt waren. Muss man(n) das? " ...22:21
freemangordonno, cleck on "maemo5 community update"22:21
BigBoxDriverOhne worte22:21
divVerentfreemangordon: OH, only this ONE package, not the others22:21
divVerentthen it shows preparing installation22:22
freemangordonthough it should not matter that much22:22
divVerentthen asks me if I really want to install the package (the fine print dialog)22:22
divVerentI agree and press continue22:22
divVerentTHERE is a tab22:22
divVerentif I press details instead here, BEFOREinstalling22:22
divVerentI was not using HAM much22:22
divVerentwas not even aware this dialog HAS tabs22:22
divVerentok, curl I can remove22:23
freemangordonhmm, what?22:23
divVerentbut hate it... now I have to kill apt-worker again to remove curl22:23
freemangordonno, you can't22:23
divVerentand then wait AGAIn 5 minutes for HAM to start up22:23
divVerentbecause HAM has locked the dpkg stuff22:23
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freemangordondon;t remove curl22:24
freemangordonkerio: do you remember which repo was this missing curld dependency in?22:24
divVerentit's curl BTW, not libcurl...22:24
kerioextras-testing or extras-devel22:24
divVerentthe comamndline tool., I can live without it.22:24
kerioif it's a dependency, you can't live without it22:24
divVerentI had installed it manually22:24
divVerentso some shell script I wrote works22:25
divVerentI can just as well make it work via any other http get method22:25
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DigitalPioneer:-/  drop:: May 10 18:16 /etc/passwd22:25
divVerentin fact, this script originally was using wget ;)22:25
freemangordondivVerent: CSSU-t upgrades libcurl and curl, the problem is that there is a package missing in the repo (don;t ask ME why)22:25
divVerentmy guess: it updates libcurl, but has no matching curl package22:26
kerioDigitalPioneer: ?22:26
divVerentthat I can live with, there is so many other ways to retrieve via http...22:26
DigitalPioneeraccounts on drop.m.o are not regularly updated22:26
freemangordondivVerent: BTW what is the exact error message?22:26
divVerentthat it did not show, but I don't even care any more if it works now.22:27
DigitalPioneerand no user divVerent in etc/passwd of drop22:27
freemangordondivVerent: I care22:27
DigitalPioneerof course22:27
divVerentfreemangordon: the exact message at which point?22:27
divVerentthe message that told me to use Nokia PC suite?22:27
freemangordondivVerent: in problems tab22:27
divVerentit was a conflict, but I no longer have the tab open22:27
divVerentit wasn't the real error anyway, the real error I'd have gotten via apt-get install ... ;)22:28
freemangordonand it is?22:28
divVerentI don't have the tab open22:28
divVerentand currently am waiting for HAM to list the updates again22:28
freemangordonmeh :(22:28
divVerentI can tell you the exact error after the upgrade22:28
divVerentby apt-get install curl ;)22:28
divVerentas that should then refuse for the same reason22:28
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divVerentbut my BETS are on libcurl and curl not matching in version22:29
* Win7Mac wonders if this a general help cannel?22:29
Win7MacAre there any plans for updating our aged Wiki? A promising chat started on sunday:
divVerentwhy can't I switch to xterm while HAM downloads stuff... could verify this right now via apt-cache show then ;)22:29
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freemangordondivVerent: ctrl->backspace?22:30
divVerentdoes not work22:30
divVerentit's what I tried first22:30
divVerentonly then the faded out button :P22:30
divVerentHAM does this22:30
divVerentanother reason why I don't like it22:30
divVerentdoes it happen to use XGrabPointer for this? ;)22:31
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freemangordonwell, HAM in cssu-thumb is about 2 times faster. but nevertheless HAM is what MUST be used for system upgrades22:31
freemangordonunless you really know what you;re doing22:31
divVerentor rather, MUST?22:31
divVerentI thought it's only needed for the large update bundles22:32
divVerentlike cssu, or cssu-thumb22:32
freemangordonfor "system updates" and cssu-... happen to be such ;)22:32
divVerentfor anything else I use raw apt-get upgrade, and fix "kept back" on my own (because dist-upgrade IS broken)22:32
divVerenti.e. for the minor updates that happen all day22:32
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freemangordoncssu is not updated every day22:33
freemangordonrather once in a couple of months22:33
divVerentI have not seen it updated once yet22:33
divVerentthat about fits22:33
divVerentI have the N900 since about March22:33
divVerentor was it Feb22:33
freemangordondivVerent: becaue you're on stable, and it still sufffers from repo problems22:33
divVerentand still, why shouldn't I update it manually?22:33
divVerentnormally, when there is a reason not to, apt will tell me22:34
divVerentlike, when there is a nontrivial conflict, I would use HAM anyway, hoping it manages to resolve it22:34
freemangordonfor various reasons I am not going to elaborate on, but HAM is made for system updates22:34
divVerentbecause the standard debian way of resolving these is too tedious ;)22:34
divVerentalso, how do I even know if an update is a "system update"?22:34
divVerentas in, how do you define that term22:35
freemangordonguess what "Maemo5 update" is22:35
divVerentwhenever a mp-*-pr package got updated?22:35
divVerentah, ok22:35
divVerentthen you do mean that22:35
divVerentyes, last time this happened, I think I had it happen ONCE, apt-get could not resolve conflicts, and I went with HAM then22:35
divVerentstill hate HAM's insistence on waiting for minutes on virtually every action22:36
divVerentwhy can't it scan deps ONCE? ;)22:36
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freemangordondivVerent: HAM does a whole bunch of things apt-get does not, one of them trying to set a way to continue the update in case the device reboots in the middle of installation22:36
divVerentah, good to know22:37
divVerentnow if only it weren't so awfully slow... ;)22:37
freemangordonalso it puts the device offline, stops hildon-home and hildon-desktop, etc, etc22:37
divVerentthat's the parts I do NOT like on every single upgrade ;)22:37
freemangordondivVerent: slowness comes from you having extras-devel enabled ;)22:37
divVerentit was slow before I enabled that22:38
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freemangordonand axtras-testing maybe22:38
divVerentwell, probably these make it EVEN slower22:38
freemangordonno, this makes it 10 times slower22:38
divVerentthat's why it is now EVEN slower than I remembered ;)22:38
divVerentit was annoying me before that already22:39
divVerentok, device reboots now22:39
freemangordonand there is absolutely no point to have extras-devel and extras-testing both enabled22:39
divVerentkernel and busybox loaded, as I got bootmenu to show22:39
divVerentI don't22:39
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divVerentboot failed, am on dark nokia logo now... now unplugged USB, trying again22:39
divVerentmaybe the standard boot bug22:39
freemangordonhmm? which bug?22:40
divVerentthat it often doesn't boot when plugged in USB22:40
divVerentnow it works, after unplugging22:40
freemangordonthat was fixed in KP5122:40
divVerentit seems to have showed the unlock screen faster22:40
divVerentbut that might be placebo22:40
freemangordonfor sure22:40
divVerentI can tell you it is not fixed here22:40
freemangordonI can tell you it is, because it was me to fix it ;). So you maybe suffer from another bug, not in KP22:41
divVerentabout CSSU shows thumb22:42
freemangordonnice :)22:42
divVerentI am just saying "one bug doing that" still happens to me22:42
freemangordonhmm, actually maybe it is not a bug22:42
freemangordonwait, do you have bb-power installer?22:42
divVerentused + swaps is now slightly below 256M22:42
divVerentyes, I think so22:43
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divVerentI remember some dep pulled it once22:43
divVerentthe boot bug is actually a bit more "interesting"...22:43
divVerentwhen I had the encrypted fs stuff on, I also was running fbcon22:43
divVerentso I could see that DSME detected the boot state as SHUTDOWN22:43
divVerentwhen I am on USB22:44
freemangordondid you change your /home FS type?22:44
divVerentit is changed back now22:44
divVerentnow that I have the workaround to not store the PW22:44
freemangordondivVerent: ok, some reported the same/similar behaviour with /home on ext422:44
divVerenthm... it looks like HAM has a new bug/feature ;)22:46
freemangordonhowever, seems your device is heavily tweaked, so that "reboot bug" could be caused by a lot of things. anyway, I'll appreciate if you try to find WTF is going on if you have time and will someday :)22:46
divVerent"checking updates, please wait" the progress bar flickered a lot22:46
divVerentwhile waiting near forever ;)22:46
divVerentnever had it flicker before, not that I really care, it's just cosmetic22:46
freemangordondivVerent: it works faster, that's why it "flickers"22:47
freemangordondisable extras-devel and you'll see the difference22:47
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divVerentis there maybe any REALLY RECOMMENDED packages from community-thumb I should install?22:53
divVerentor is all important referenced from the -pr22:53
divVerentIIRC it should be22:54
divVerentdosbox now needs libxxf86vm1? XVidmode on Maemo? WTF ;)+22:54
freemangordonyep, the only thing in cssu-thumb which you might want to install by hand id busybox-power, if you already have it instaleld22:54
freemangordondivVerent: ooh, I compiled dosbox a week ago and but ut there, feel free to test it :D22:55
divVerentas for curl: it now installs fine, from the thumb repo22:55
divVerentfreemangordon: hehe22:55
divVerentbasically, I suggest that this was accidental dependency creep ;)22:55
divVerentthe N900 has no way to support video mode changes22:56
divVerentso PROBABLY dosbox should have been compiled without the support22:56
divVerentit's harmless though, just won*t do any good either22:56
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freemangordondivVerent: well, I just pulled the sorce, fixed the targe CPU and dpkg-buildpackage22:56
divVerentI see22:56
divVerentin Debian this dep does make sense22:57
freemangordondidn;t play with configure options22:57
divVerenton desktop systems Vidmode still can help, even on TFTs22:57
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divVerentbut AFAIK the X config on the N900 supports no other modes than the default22:57
divVerentnot sure if the display logic would if told so22:57
freemangordondivVerent: check why22:58
divVerentoh, cool, so basically, this dosbox upgrade was a major speedup?22:58
divVerentthat probably means lemmings will now work22:58
divVerentas last time I tried it ALMOST worked22:59
freemangordonno idea, never tried it before22:59
divVerent(or, 100% with music off)22:59
divVerentmusic was stuttering22:59
divVerentso any bit would probably help22:59
freemangordonbut " -march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jf-s"22:59
divVerentalso, the OpenGL support you added (by the same thing) is good22:59
divVerentit probably means dosbox now can HW scale up to full res22:59
freemangordonactually I was able to run descent-3d, but unfortunately it is unplayable22:59
divVerentsounds like a speedup for 320x200 games22:59
freemangordonopengl does not work23:00
freemangordonbut overlay works23:00
divVerentok, still good23:00
divVerentah rigt, Maemo just has GLES23:00
freemangordonn900 does not have opengl ;)23:00
divVerentthe little GL needed for SW scaling...23:00
divVerentCOULD also be written in the common denominator of GL and GLES23:00
divVerentcontext initialization still differs a lot23:00
freemangordonwell, I don;t know how much is the difference between openg and gles 1.123:01
freemangordonforget about 2.023:01
divVerentwell, there is a lot ;)23:01
divVerentGL2.0 e.g. is a superset of GL1.123:01
divVerentwhile GLES is not23:01
freemangordonhmm, no23:01
freemangordonoh, wait23:01
divVerentGLES1 is pure fixed function stuff, GLES2 is pure shader stuff23:01
freemangordonI am talking about gles 1.1 and 2.023:01
divVerentso GLES2 is quite GL2.0-like, but "strict" (no use of old GL1.1 stuff)23:02
divVerentDarkPlaces actually has GLES2 support ;)23:02
divVerentit uses mostly common code with GL2.0 path23:02
divVerentbut context is created totally different23:02
divVerentalso, GL2.0 code got quite some adjustments for that23:02
divVerentto get rid of GL1.1 legacies23:03
freemangordondivVerent: btw if you know a bit about GL/ES stuff, you can help a lot with embedlite. gecko23 that is ;)23:03
divVerentand some other stuff GLES2 does not have23:03
freemangordonif you have will ofc23:03
divVerentnot YET, but maybe later when I have SDK running ;)23:03
freemangordondivVerent: here is some info, if you are interested23:04
freemangordonbut so far we have HW accelerated HTML video playback, GL rendering and webgl (almost) working23:05
divVerenthm... cutetube and qml both pull LOTS of ffmpeg stuff23:05
freemangordondivVerent: you don;t need both ;)23:05
divVerentI mean23:06
freemangordonit is the same SW by same author, first using plain Qt, second - qml23:06
divVerentthe default player gstreamer stuff plays via the DSP23:06
divVerentso do I really need something ffmpeg based?23:06
divVerenttrying nvideo first, then23:06
freemangordonthe same does qmltube23:06
divVerentit also uses ffmpeg23:06
freemangordonoh, wait23:06
divVerentat least via package dependencies23:06
divVerentI will probably install ffmpeg stuff anyway sooner or later23:06
divVerentand be it for porting mpv to Maemo23:07
freemangordoni meant - yes, it is playing through HW accel gstreamer23:07
divVerentmpv (that mplayer fork) is currently getting a mouse GUI done...23:07
divVerentwith that, it should be usable on Maemo23:07
freemangordonffmpeg is pulled as a dependency for gstreamer-ffmpeg afaik23:07
divVerenta simple OSD with play pause forward backward buttons ;)23:07
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freemangordonbecause of the swx container, iirc23:07
divVerentgstreamer-ffmpeg is not installed by cutetube/qml23:07
freemangordonit has some qt media dependency ;)23:08
freemangordonqt or qml, can't remember right now23:08
divVerentanyway, cssu-thumb works great apparently23:09
divVerentlet's see how much the few extra MB free will help23:09
freemangordondivVerent: try microb ;)23:10
divVerentif only it had tabs ;)23:10
freemangordonhmm, it has :)23:10
divVerentI highly prefer Opera's tab UI over MicroB's window mess...23:10
divVerentit now has?23:11
freemangordonit has it since the beginning23:11
divVerentit only can make new windows23:11
freemangordontype browser --help in cli ;)23:11
divVerentbut well, my other reason for Opera is that proxy caching server23:12
divVerentthat does nothing...23:12
divVerentwhat should it do?23:12
freemangordonbrowser --view=tab23:12
divVerentwhat should happen then?23:14
freemangordonyou'll have tabs. well, not functional, but still :)23:15
divVerentI see no tab bar23:15
freemangordonon the left23:15
divVerentno,but maybe browser switcher screwed that up23:15
divVerentalso tried microb --view=tab23:15
divVerentstill... I really need that compressing proxy feature of Opera23:16
freemangordonno, it is browser --view=tab23:16
divVerentfor not using too much mobile traffic23:16
divVerentthat starts opera ;)23:16
freemangordonhowever, going to have some sleep23:16
divVerentgood night23:17
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