IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2013-05-11

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eccerr0ror are poorly designed00:00
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eccerr0rI just bought a $6 charger from microcenter and it doesn't charge my n900 either... but after poking at the microusb plug I got it to work00:00
orsonKonsieur: give it some time, it won't charge it very quickly00:00
KonsieurI don't know, someone said that it needs battery to charge. I guess the systems thus shutdown before battery is TOTALLY dry.00:01
KonsieurBut I don't know if that is what is not working here00:01
KonsieurNo but I see it doesn't charge at all because the led just blinks once orange. When it charges, it slowly lights in white00:01
Paliyes, by default maemo system shutdown before battery is empty00:01
KonsieurI'm wondering whether tat could be broken on mine (wouldn't know why). The previous N900 never had this issue, with same battery and charger00:02
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eccerr0rI think (but not sure) what's going on here - if your battery is sucked dry it can only try to charge in high speed mode.  But the onboard charging system will notice you have weak power (due to bad port or bad plug) and give up charging.   Easiest solution is to just not let it run dry, else need to keep on trying other chargers until you find one that works00:03
KonsieurAnd the microusb on this one is ok eccerr0r, it works quite good when the phone is running, or when it charges (no shortcircuit)00:03
KonsieurYeah it sounds relevant eccerr0r, but then why is it running totally dry each time?00:03
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eccerr0rbad plug that never triggers the charging system?00:04
KonsieurI'm gonna charge it externally to initiate charge, but I would like to avoid that in the future00:04
eccerr0ryou could use the charge21 script to initiate charge I think.00:04
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KonsieurNope the plug is OK (believe me, now that I'm used to a dead microUSB N900, I check the led everytime I plug the new N900 :p)00:04
eccerr0rI've noticed sometimes when I plug in, it does not start charging00:05
KonsieurWhat is this script?00:05
eccerr0rsearch for charge21.sh ... I think that's what it's called...00:05
eccerr0rit mucks with the charging system - it can override the default power plug detection system apparently.00:06
eccerr0rbut if you have a bad microusb, it can't do anything about that (obviously)00:06
KonsieurAnd tries to charge in slow mode?00:06
eccerr0rit can force it into fast mode00:07
KonsieurI'm totally sure the microusb is fine00:07
eccerr0rbut it requires the n900 to be running00:07
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orsonafaik, fast mode can be also triggered by shortening d+/d- in usb plug00:07
KonsieurYes, I'll charge the battery externally this time00:07
eccerr0reh... no as I've found out, the microusb can be "partially" working or "weak" due to a poorly designed plug00:08
KonsieurThen I'll see when battery dries out if it still doesn't charge normally00:08
eccerr0rif the contacts to the power pins are poor, you can get "weak" power and will take a long time to charge00:08
KonsieurIf it charges noramlly, then perhaps it's just that I leave it out of battery too long before recharging, and the battery naturally gets empty00:08
KonsieurWell, I'll see how it turns out soon :)00:09
KonsieurThanks all :)00:09
KonsieurNow I know it's because it lacks power to initiate charge. That is the first step towards a firm solution. I'll continue investigating to see why battery is that empty, or as you say, if microusb seems fine, but is not00:10
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eccerr0rthis is the only explanation that would explain all the problems I see when charging my n90000:11
eccerr0rmy official nokia AC10C can't charge my n900 up when the battery is flat00:11
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KonsieurYes, so either my battery is totally flat (more than it should), and then it may be because 1. the battery is dead (I doubt it), 2. there's an issue in my Maemo system, that doesn't prevent consumption till 0%, or 3. when the N900 is flat, I wait too long before charging it (it's not my main phone anymore), so the battery slowly dries out till 0%00:13
KonsieurOr it's the microusb that apparently works, but has bad connections and therefore low power00:13
kerioKonsieur: or maybe all of the above00:13
KonsieurD:00:14
kerioenergy is *fun*!00:14
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eccerr0rbesides, should immediately charge li-ion as soon as possible when discharged to empty00:18
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sixwheeledbeast\o/ Smaemo6 update in the repositories01:26
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Wulfedpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory07:35
Wulfeidk how to fix that07:35
Wulfei cant install anything now07:36
Wulfeextended info:  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)07:37
Wulfeif anyone becomes active and has an idea please enlighten07:37
Wulfethanks07:37
unclouded__does the file exist?07:40
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Wulfei have available-old but not available in that location07:42
Wulfethis happenen after an atempt to install freeciv forced a reboot half way through07:43
Wulfeit tried to recover the update then rebooted again07:43
uncloudedI would hope that apt-get update would rebuild that file, but it might be worth worrying about your file system first if file have been going missing07:46
Wulfei may have an idea, it shows freeciv as installed but is broken. going to try uninstalling and see if this repairs it.07:48
Wulfebah07:50
Wulfesame result07:50
uncloudedis this on SD, or NAND?  would really be worth a fsck before you write to the fs any further07:51
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Wulfesd, but nevermind i solved it. looks as if available-old is a backup so i used cp to make a new available and now its working again.07:54
Wulfethanks for helping07:54
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Wulfeyup i was able to succefully install another app07:57
Wulfethank god for backups07:57
Wulfestill dont get why freeciv did that though.07:59
Wulfesucks to its a fun game07:59
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DocScrutinizer05moinmoin12:40
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anthonie@ docscrutinizer05; thank you! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1342801#post134280112:43
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DocScrutinizer05yw12:51
anthoniewell, it's not taken for granted!12:53
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DocScrutinizer05LOL @ >>Feedback: fremantle-feedback@maemo.org<<13:22
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders which /dev/null *this* might point at13:23
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DocScrutinizer05>> fremantle-feedback: janne.p, soumya, marcell << (aliases)13:29
DocScrutinizer05ext-janne.p.johansson at nokia.com13:30
DocScrutinizer05I wonder how to clean up our mail aliases file, we have hundreds of those13:31
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PaliDocScrutinizer05: are some of these addresses still valid?13:55
DocScrutinizer05who knows13:55
Palior every @nokia.com address is invalid?13:55
DocScrutinizer05I already suggested some approach in maemo-admin channel13:56
DocScrutinizer05I could as well post it here13:56
DocScrutinizer05we should set up a "job" to send a mail to everybody in aliases, listing in a personalized mail body all the aliases she/he is member of (like grep jarmo aliases, or grep '^[^#][ a-z]*\:'  aliases |grep jarmo), **and check for mail bounces**. Ask everybody in that mail to please answer and state if they think the alias is still correct, if they have a better suggestion for an alias destination instead of their own email addr, and13:56
DocScrutinizer05particularly what the alias been meant for.13:56
DocScrutinizer05in a second step of same operation send a list with all bounces and all mail aliases that nobody answered to, to all mail addr in aliases, and ask for comments. Some of the still active alias owners might know about meaning and status of other "dangling" aliases and maybe could suggest how to handle them or what they been used for and whom we should search for to point those aliases to13:56
* DocScrutinizer05 remrks that there are almost hundreds of functional aliases, like feedback, alarm, security, younameit13:59
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DocScrutinizer05*sigh* disk warning on www14:16
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: http://www.mwkn.net/2013/18/front.html, you might want to make sure 2013/19 isn't a 2nd copy of 17 ;-D15:15
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: with a bit of luck you'll have meeting minutes to point to, tomorrow15:16
DocScrutinizer05chem|st working on it atm15:16
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: I think there's enough for a fine new MWKN issue: elections finished, handover from old to new MCC done (on Friday), mail aliases established (see meeting log of today), HFC established and started productive work, supervising BoD handling of bank accounts15:18
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DocScrutinizer05[admin announcement] we need to take down www.maemo.org for maintenance eventually, probably today later in the evening (CET), for 1..2h17:07
DocScrutinizer05tlak.m.o and other VM will not be affected17:08
Win7Macbugs.maemo.org still redirects to the wiki...17:09
xesWin7Mac: better a wiki than a bug ;-)17:09
xes..sorry, still WIP17:10
Win7Macok, thanks17:11
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GeneralAntillesJust read the council meeting logs20:39
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