IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-05-10

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raid_is something wrong with skeiron repositories?02:30
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dr1fterpackage downloads are taking forever02:31
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dr1fterhello?02:41
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GuySoftremoving this chan from my favorites, farewell maemo people03:09
GuySoftwas fun..03:09
Cor-Aiwhy?03:13
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ApicGood Night.03:46
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Macer...04:33
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dr1fter# apt-get install libpcre06:00
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dr1fterE: Couldn't find package libpcre06:00
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dr1fterthis says libpcre is supposed to be in extras-devel, but it's not finding it -- http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/syncevolution_in_fremantle/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=306:02
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rikaneedr1fter: "apt-cache search libpcre3"06:06
rikaneehttp://maemo.org/packages/view/libpcre3/06:07
rikaneehmm, whoops, it looks like it isn't available in Fremantle extras-devel06:07
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dr1fterrikanee: augh06:25
dr1fterrikanee: it's libpcre3!  apt-cache search turned up nothing without the 306:25
dr1fterthanks06:25
dr1fterit installed fine for me now. i have the skeiron repos, are you not using them?06:26
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rikaneedr1fter, my last BL-5J burnt out, haven't powered on my N900 in a while06:28
rikaneeI guess the best solution for this is to make a faux-battery? Dummy signal to BSI and a large capacitor just to let it boot.06:29
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dr1fterrikanee: you can't get a battery for your phone?06:41
rikaneedr1fter: not here, I can't. All the stores have totally run out of 5800 batteries, which is a damn shame considering the 5800 was the most popular phone for some time06:45
rikanee(here, at least)06:45
dr1fterrikanee: can't order online?06:48
rikaneedr1fter: Customs loves sticking flagpoles up the rear end for anything shipped internationally.06:50
dr1fterhmm06:50
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HANANHI06:52
rikaneegovernment policy to encourage buying stuff in-country (for those 12% taxes) and customs corruption, where you'd usually have to grease palms for processing to actually occur.06:52
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dr1fterrikanee: what country is that?06:53
rikaneedr1fter: the Philippines.06:54
dr1fterah06:54
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ApicA splendid good Morning.12:37
Mr_Stupidgood morning :)12:38
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vi__moo13:53
vi__~tm013:53
infoboti heard tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans13:53
vi__infobot ~music is the best13:54
infobotokay, vi__13:54
vi__infobot ~Knowledge is not wisdom13:54
infobotvi__: okay13:54
vi__infobot ~Wisdom is not truth13:55
infobotvi__: okay13:55
DocScrutinizer05wtf?13:56
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys wisdom13:56
infobotFactoid search of 'wisdom' by key (3): ~wisdom ;; conventional wisdom ;; wisdom.13:56
DocScrutinizer05~wisdom13:56
infobotmethinks wisdom is http://double-chinned.mirror.waffleimages.com/data/d8/d881c8b68df1bc81c582650da8a86cc4d1b0930e.jpg13:56
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vi__rofl wot?13:57
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vi__~music13:57
infobotmusic is, like, essential for hacking -- especially calming music for debugging so you don't throw the damn machine out the nearest window  Available from magnatune, a company that isn't evil.13:57
vi__damn.  I f'd that up.13:57
vi__infobot forget ~music13:58
infobotvi__: i forgot ~music13:58
vi__infobot forget ~wisdom13:58
infobotvi__: i forgot ~wisdom13:58
DocScrutinizer05don't dare to redefine "music"!13:58
vi__infobot forget ~knowledge13:58
infoboti forgot ~knowledge, vi__13:58
vi__~vi_13:58
DocScrutinizer05or any other factiod you haven't defined13:58
vi__~vi__13:58
infobotrumour has it, vi__ is 13:21 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: you're absolutely right13:58
vi__Let us dwell on the above quote.13:59
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys knowledge13:59
infobotFactoid search of 'knowledge' by key (8): then fogl receives msggrab acknowledgement, but he ;; ~knowledge #DEL# ;; brico knowledge base ;; knowledgebase ;; knowledge ;; your knowledge #DEL# ;; to anyone's knowledge ;; tangent's sum knowledge of jflash.13:59
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo knowledge14:00
infobotknowledge -- it has been requested 5 times, last by TiagoTiago at Sun Sep 19 17:33:10 2010.14:00
DocScrutinizer05wtf?14:00
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo vi__14:00
infobotvi__ -- created by vi__ <~PSleggs@proxy.ei-info.com> at Thu Nov 15 13:21:47 2012 (175 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by vi__, 1m 42s ago; it has been locked by vi__.14:00
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo music14:01
infobotmusic -- last modified at Mon Sep 12 02:12:43 2005 by {sjansen}!n=sjansen@h4607b5da.area7.spcsdns.net; it has been requested 13 times, last by vi__, 3m 31s ago.14:01
DocScrutinizer05uhuh, at least "last modified" for that one14:01
DocScrutinizer05~knowledge14:01
infoboti guess knowledge is power14:01
DocScrutinizer05~knowledge is also not wisdom14:02
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay14:02
DocScrutinizer05~knowledge14:02
infobothmm... knowledge is power, or not wisdom14:02
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DocScrutinizer05wonder what became of Mary?14:05
DocScrutinizer05"Hi, it's me, Mary. The girl from the bus..."14:05
Drathirhi all14:06
DocScrutinizer05hi Drathir14:06
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues wisdom14:07
infobotFactoid search of 'wisdom' by value (12): ~knowledge #DEL# ;; jargon mainframe ;; information ;; jargon hot spot ;; eupraxophy ;; aaw ;; jargon bottom-up implementation ;; zip 59761 ;; knowledge ;; parthon ;; jargon droid ;; woah.14:07
DocScrutinizer05~information14:07
infobotInformation is not Knowledge \ Knowledge is not Wisdom \ Wisdom is not Truth \ Truth is not Beauty \ Beauty is not Love \ Beauty is a French phonetic corruption of a short, cloth, neck ornament.currently in resurgence. \ Love is not Music \ Music is THE BEST14:07
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo information14:08
infobotinformation -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Thu Jun 28 09:59:13 2012 (316 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1m 3s ago.14:08
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Drathiri have a little strange question... where can be handle a list of all connected AP, because i saw that phone remember and brodcast that list to which AP phone was connected before...14:22
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: *broadcast*??14:52
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DocScrutinizer05WiFi shouldn't broadcast any such list, excapt for APs that are "hidden SSID", which is one of the reasons why hiding SSID is a really poor idea - it makes all clients spam all other AP with hidden SSID with info about your known SSIDs, which is a severe security flaw *for the clients*14:54
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, you can edit and delete all known APs in your settings->"internet coonections"->"[connections]", there you get a list of all known AP and can "[edit]" and "[delete]" each single one14:56
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: thats the good idea, im stupid i dont think about that from this side:/ thanks a lot DocScrutinizer0514:56
DocScrutinizer05yw14:57
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Drathiranyway human learn all the life and is nice feeling knowing or discover new stuff or information...15:01
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DocScrutinizer05that's why we all love to dig into the one and only great FOSS OS :-)15:04
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sixwheeledbeast~bug777215:19
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sixwheeledbeast~bug 777215:20
* infobot places a mind-control bug in 7772's ear, Star Trek II style15:20
sixwheeledbeastgrr15:20
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sixwheeledbeastis bugzilla down, seems to redirect to wiki?15:20
Drathirinfobot: info15:21
Drathirinfobot: ~info15:22
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Drathirinfobot: ~status15:22
sixwheeledbeastinfobot: ping15:22
infobot~pong15:22
Drathirinfobot: botsnack15:23
infobotDrathir: :)15:23
Drathir:p15:23
sixwheeledbeast~useless15:23
* infobot starts crying and hides from sixwheeledbeast in the darkest corner of the room. :(15:23
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Drathirfor feeding always response :p15:23
Drathirinfobot: source15:24
infobotTo build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file.  Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source.  The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`.15:24
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Drathirinfobot: infobot source15:25
Drathirinfobot: -v15:26
Drathirinfobot version15:26
infobothmm... version is for the kernel "uname -r", for your distro "cat /etc/*-release" or "lsb_release -d". For other applications, try running it with a --version command.15:26
Drathirdont understand me... :/15:26
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vi__infobot rape infobot15:38
* infobot takes infobot behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams15:38
sixwheeledbeastlmao15:38
vi__infobot rape itself15:38
* infobot takes itself behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams15:38
vi__!1d615:39
vi__~1d615:39
infobotYou roll a 515:39
vi__boom!15:39
vi__critical hit!15:39
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sixwheeledbeast~1d2 mmm, useful for those yes no situations15:51
sixwheeledbeastmaybe not.15:53
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polyvertexHi!15:57
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polyvertexI just uploaded a new version of my app in the fremantle_extras_free repository, the package builder succeeded and the package is now marked as imported.16:04
polyvertexBut still, no update available16:04
polyvertexI don't know exactly to whom I should ask for support.16:04
polyvertexPackage: http://maemo.org/packages/view/gpsrecorder/16:05
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DocScrutinizer05polyvertex: basically council and techstaff (@ maemo org), me, an dparticularly the repo maintainer ( merlin1991 ) since we have no active dediacted autobuilder maintainer16:10
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DocScrutinizer05~30d916:13
polyvertexDocScrutinizer05: thanks for answering. my package doesn't seem to be the only one in this case16:14
DocScrutinizer05~literal 1d616:14
infobot"1d6" is "<reply>You roll a (1|2|3|4|5|6)"16:14
DocScrutinizer05polyvertex: correct, we know about the problem, but it's not essigned to any maintainer so far16:15
DocScrutinizer05assigned*16:15
polyvertexok16:15
DocScrutinizer05anyway, probably merlin1991 is the one with best detail knowledge about the problem16:17
DocScrutinizer05who could do something about it16:17
polyvertexdo you know what's the best way to get in touch with him? here? mail?16:18
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DocScrutinizer05polyvertex: merlin1991 is here, me here obviously, techstaff and council are mail addr which will end at me plus a few other guys (our sysops who won't probably dig into it any time soonish, for techstaff. Council might try to track the inssue but lacks specific knowhow). You can also ping jazekowski and see if he can give advice, he knows a friggin lot about autobuilder - alas he's not willing to cooparate in techstaff team. Details16:42
DocScrutinizer05about how autobuilder works you can read at http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Autobuilder_and_friends16:42
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PaliDocScrutinizer05: did somebody look at maemo package interface why new versions of packages are not imported (after 6.5.2013)?17:15
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ashleybugs.maemo.org redirects to the wiki...is this a known issue?17:32
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Win7Macashley, yes. Hopefully will be fixed soon. Thanks for reporting anyway.17:51
ashleyok, good to know that the appropriate folks know about the issue17:52
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rm_workHey20:50
rm_workAnyone here from Germany or France that can tell me about buying a SIM card when I travel there?20:51
KonsieurI'm from France20:55
KonsieurIf you don't want to subscribe, or if you don't want a monthly bill (some subscriptions can be cancelled any time, but you still need to subscribe and wait your sim to be delivered at the beginning)20:57
KonsieurThen you can find SIM cards in, hum, what's the name for that? Groceries?20:57
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KonsieurWell, the clerks that sell tobacco and newspapers.20:57
KonsieurI think you can find the same limited-use-SIM in supermarkets too20:58
KonsieurThey're basically SIM cards with a limited communication time/sms/data (depending on the price)20:58
KonsieurAnd most of the time you can refill them by calling a special number20:58
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Konsieurrm_work20:59
rm_workDo they sell prepaid Sim cards? Like... Convenience stores or similar?20:59
KonsieurYeah, that's what I was trying to describe with my terrible English ;@21:00
rm_workIf I just need a bit of data and some talk minutes for the week I'm there21:00
KonsieurThey are prepaid Sim cards, and you can refill them I think21:00
rm_workAh21:00
KonsieurI don't use them though21:00
rm_workJust saw that21:00
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rm_workI'm on my phone and can only see like one sentence at a time lol21:00
Konsieur:]21:00
merlin1991that sounds like a crappy client :D21:01
rm_workOK cool. Yeah that's what I thought21:01
rm_workLol, it's OK but the vkbd takes half the screen21:01
rm_workAndChat for Android21:02
rm_workSwitching back to my N900 for when I'm in Europe21:02
rm_workThanks konsieur21:04
KonsieurYou're welcome rm_work21:04
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chem|stANNOUNCE: CSSU-S5 is live again... in CSSU-S6 any minute22:38
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chem|stS6 is live now22:43
kerioomg, updates are going so fast22:44
merlin1991~troll kerio22:44
* infobot hereby declares kerio a troll22:44
kerioprojecting, we'll be on S294 by tomorrow22:44
MentalistTraceurSo can everyone type "~troll [name]" and infobot types that message?22:46
MentalistTraceur~troll MentalistTraceur22:46
* infobot hereby declares MentalistTraceur a troll22:46
merlin1991tats22:46
merlin1991~stats22:46
infobotSince Sun May  5 10:38:28 2013, there have been 10 modifications, 130 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 73 commands.  I have been awake for 5d 9h 8m 20s this session, and currently reference 119050 factoids.  I'm using about 23680 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1403.18/25.82 child 0.01/022:46
merlin1991ah crap morons not trolls22:47
merlin1991I thought infobot also had a trollcount22:47
chem|sts/o reset the morons counter^^22:51
chem|stor it hit the 256bit barrier...22:52
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orsonhi guys23:31
orsonI have problem with dependencies - I'm trying to install backupmenu and it complains about missing mtd-utils23:32
orsonwhich can be found in repos that I use, but it is not installable as it requires liblzo2, which is not available23:32
orsonI use repository.maemo.org/extras,extras-testing,community,community-testing (dist fremantle)23:33
orsontried with extras-devel too, but no luc23:33
orsonI managed to find the missing package here: http://oss.fruct.org/repository/pool/maemo5.0/free/l/lzo2/23:33
orsonand I know that I can download it and use dpkg to install it, but it would rather make it in a proper way, as I have some other missing dependencies too23:34
Paliorson: search for package on: http://maemo.org/packages/23:34
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orsonso, there is a question - do you use any other repos that are recommended?23:34
Palithere is no "liblzo2" package23:34
Paliorson, maybe you forgotten to write full name23:34
Palicheck error message again23:34
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Paliit is liblzo2-2? (with -2 suffix?)23:36
orsonyeah, I've just tried it too23:36
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orsonmaybe I will check with extras-devel, but I do not expect it to work23:37
Palithat package is in SSU repository23:37
Paliit is *not* in any extras/cssu23:37
Palionly in Nokia SSU23:37
Paliorson: check if you have enable Nokia's catalogues/repositories in Application manager23:38
orsonok, thanks for hints - I will try out new possibilities before asking more quesions ;)23:39
Paliorson: but there is problem with Nokia repositories, GPG expired last year, so maybe this is problem why you are unable to download that package23:41
Paliyou can try to set phone date&time to year 2011 and then (maybe after reboot) it could work23:41
orsonthat was my doubt, I guess the SSU repo is downloads.maemo.nokia.com?23:42
orsonwhat do you use instead? http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/?23:42
orsonor skeiron?23:43
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Paliorson: downloads.maemo.nokia.com23:47
Palithat default repo23:47
Palirepo is working (means all files/packages are here) but only gpg key which is used for signing packages expired23:47
orsonok, but isn't it down? if I try to open http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ I get access denied23:48
Paliand when you mirroring some repo, you cannot change signature...23:48
Paliorson: no it is not down, n900 apt can access it23:48
KonsieurGuys, I have a N9 that I use as my main phone, but I still have a N900 I love (both if I cound one with a dead USB port), but that N900 has an issue23:49
Paliit is normal that desktop web browser cannot open it (in n900 is special username + password for access)23:49
KonsieurWhen it runs out of battery, I mean completely out of battery, then I can't charge it using USB anymore23:49
KonsieurI can charge it using an external battery charger.23:49
orsonPali: thx, I was mistaken by the fact that I can access other repos that way..23:49
KonsieurOnce charged, or half charged, I can switch it on and charge normally. Is that a known issue?23:50
orsonKonsieur: I guess so, it happened to me a few times at least23:50
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PaliKonsieur: yes23:50
KonsieurIt's totally reproductible for me, I find no way of charging it from USB when battery is dead :/23:50
KonsieurIs there a solution?23:50
orsonKonsieur: do you use original Nokia batteries? and I mean with hologram and priced for more than 5$?23:50
Palicharging is implemented by application23:51
Paliso you need to have 1) working Maemo system and 2) enought power to start it23:51
KonsieurI think the battery in it is one of those that had a higher capacity, from the topic in TMO23:51
orsonKonsieur: you may try using more powerful usb charger, the default one gives only 350 mA23:51
KonsieurBut I have a original one somewhere23:51
orsonKonsieur: I managed to fix it with stronger charger from other phone23:51
eccerr0rkonsieur: I found that some chargers work better than others, and even my nokia AC10C is "weak" and won't charge from dead23:51
KonsieurAC10C is the default N900 charger?23:51
KonsieurI think my N900 charger is stronger than my N9's one23:52
eccerr0rAC10U I think, but pretty much the same as AC10C23:52
orsonKonsieur: or sometimes you may have some luck using USB port in PC (especially with externally powered hubs)23:52
KonsieurI'm trying with a USB from PC right know23:52
Konsieurnow23:52
eccerr0rso far the best charger I have is LG-branded oddly enough23:52
eccerr0rbeats the heck out of the nokia somehow...23:53
KonsieurI just tried several chargers. All I get is still the same thing: quick orange led flash, and nothing23:53
orsonKonsieur: and it does not help too? you may try to change to other usb port, as usually there are a few ports connected internally and they have to share power23:53
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eccerr0rI have two CA101 nokia cables and neither charge my n900 well23:54
KonsieurBut I NEVER had this issue with my former N900, the one that eventually died (dead USB port)23:54
KonsieurWhy am I having that here, with the same chargers and batteries?23:54
eccerr0rthe CA101D (the short one) however charges just fine... need to try different plugs23:54
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eccerr0rYMMV, I think the QC on microusb plugs vary greatly23:54
eccerr0rnot to mention the n900's microusb socket's tendency to rip out...23:55
orsonPali: thanks for the hints, it really works :)23:55
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Paliorson: with or without "time&date" hack?23:55
KonsieurIndeed eccerr0r, but I bought a second N900 when my first died because of microusb23:55
orsonPali: without the hack, I just get some warnings and I have to agree to install not authenticated packages23:56
eccerr0ras of right now my LG charger is my best charger, will wake up my n900 from a dead battery.  The CA101D will also do the same...23:56
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eccerr0rnext tier I have a $1 dollar tree, which does charge, but not quite as well as the CA101D.23:56
Paliorson, ok23:56
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KonsieurBut I don't understand why my battery is going totally dead now, I've never had this issue with the previous N900 (and same battery). And I don't think the battery is dead23:57
eccerr0rafter that, my AC10C will charge slowly... and won't charge from dead.23:57
KonsieurCould my Maemo installation have an issue causing it to dry battery to 0% instead of, let's say 2%?23:57
eccerr0rthe two CA101s I have (that aren't "D") belong in the trash really, but they do USB fine23:57
KonsieurMy N9 and N900 genuine chargers used to charge my N900 when it died after a long day23:57
KonsieurStill the same with N9 USB cable + USB3 port on PC23:58
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Paliwhat do you mean by 0% instead of 2% ?23:59
eccerr0rI think the problem is that many microusb plugs wear out after a while...23:59

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