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| Win7Mac | Woodyyy... glad you're joining, will we see election results as fast as for referendum? | 01:28 |
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| Woody14619 | depends on when my ride shows up. ;) | 01:32 |
| Win7Mac | What, your ride is more important than this | 01:33 |
| Win7Mac | ? ;-) | 01:34 |
| Win7Mac | Well, at least you'll keep me from wasting the next 1, 5hours just on waiting... ;-) | 01:35 |
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| muelli | how are the ballots actually counted? With an old version of OpenSTV? | 01:41 |
| Woody14619 | Define old? :) | 01:41 |
| muelli | oh. wait. There is no STV, right? | 01:41 |
| * muelli is confused | 01:41 | |
| Woody14619 | No, it's OpenSTV... 1.6.1 I think | 01:41 |
| muelli | yeah. probably the last free relesae. | 01:42 |
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| Woody14619 | We actually sent in the "suggested donation" for it. Damned if I know where the file went to turn off the "you should donate" cruft though. | 01:48 |
| Woody14619 | reguardless... it's findable and testable on your own system. 100% perl, so you can even run it on your N#00 or N9. :) | 01:49 |
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| Xulu | Long live Maemo! | 01:49 |
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| Woody14619 | .oO(I know, because I did just that the last couple elections to get results before they were official. :) | 01:50 |
| Woody14619 | But yeah... last hour or so here people. If you haven't voted yet, get to it! | 01:50 |
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| unclouded | what's a typical capacity for a N900 battery? the charge meter chip has measured 1100mAh for mine. is that really low? | 01:59 |
| ShadowJK | my original was 1250 when new-ish | 02:00 |
| ShadowJK | The new nokia bl-5j are over 1400 when new and fresh | 02:00 |
| unclouded | ah, not too far off. I'm looking at your charger script right now ShadowJK ;) | 02:00 |
| unclouded | it's very cool but I still need the datasheet open just to work out what's going on | 02:02 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not sure I'd call it cool, as I stopped working on it once it worked for 97% of my own use | 02:03 |
| unclouded | I would. it's nicely written and super useful in Debian, which doesn't have bme yet | 02:04 |
| unclouded | and in fact my bme in Maemo has gone wrong and doesn't charge from a wall charger or a non-charging USB port whereas your script does | 02:05 |
| ShadowJK | does it say Wall: 0 ? | 02:05 |
| ShadowJK | that's suggest data lines are damaged | 02:05 |
| unclouded | Wall: 0 when plugged in to non-charging USB port | 02:06 |
| unclouded | and with a charging USB port | 02:06 |
| ShadowJK | 0 would be expected on generic usb ports | 02:07 |
| unclouded | and with the wall charger too. always says 0 | 02:07 |
| ShadowJK | I wouldn't trust being able to use usb port dor data again then | 02:09 |
| Win7Mac | I wouldb't too... | 02:09 |
| * Win7Mac wonders if it'll be worth waiting another hour for unofficial results? | 02:09 | |
| unclouded | how can I test that? when I plug the N900 in to a PC it does create usb0 and ttyACM3 | 02:09 |
| unclouded | but you reckon it might work sometimes and not others, or go wrong in subtle ways only occasionally? | 02:10 |
| ShadowJK | it's possible | 02:11 |
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| ShadowJK | but then again when I plug in my own chargers too slowly wall charger isn't detected and dialog pops up asking to choose pc suite or mass storage | 02:12 |
| unclouded | not to worry, the wireless works well | 02:12 |
| unclouded | so could be flaky firmware in BQ27x00? | 02:12 |
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| ShadowJK | Nah | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK | neither bq are involved in that | 02:14 |
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| unclouded | why does the script read from musb_hdrc/charger and then do nothing with the result? | 02:19 |
| ShadowJK | reading it triggers side effects | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | Like reducing power use by 80mA if you've got a wallcharger plugged in | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK | Also, reading bq24150 status register had side effects :-) | 02:23 |
| unclouded | right, so if I want to port to Ruby then I need to preserve all of that behaviour carefully | 02:24 |
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| ShadowJK | In a "cool" version, it'd also use the result to set input current limit as unlimited | 02:25 |
| ShadowJK | but then again, that wouldn't work very well with out device and chargers, heh. | 02:26 |
| ShadowJK | lazyness paid off, i guess. | 02:26 |
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| unclouded | I don't understand "i2cset -m 0xFF ..". isn't that "-m 0xFF" redundant because it will write all bits? | 02:44 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 02:46 |
| ShadowJK | also, the whole idea is a bit silly | 02:46 |
| ShadowJK | because some registers have different functionality depending on whether you're reading or writing.. | 02:47 |
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| unclouded | yes, STATUS/CTRL registers? | 02:47 |
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| ShadowJK | right | 02:49 |
| eccerr0r | trying to get my battery calibrated, I discharged it down to when it started blinking red, and then suspended it and let passive draw slowly drop it below EDV1 but I just let it discharge to flat... then plugged it in to recharge... it still didn't count as a learning cycle... is there something special that needs to be done? | 02:52 |
| ShadowJK | the thing that made it blink red probably switched off the phone | 02:53 |
| eccerr0r | yes probably... but it should have been slow enough to hit EDV1, unless it shuts off the phone before EDV1? | 02:54 |
| unclouded | does u-boot shutdown when the battery is low. if not, maybe that would be a way to discharge to EDV? | 02:55 |
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| eccerr0r | have to disable all battery management software to do this relearn cycle I guess? | 02:56 |
| ShadowJK | probably | 02:57 |
| unclouded | mine seems to discharge completely in Debian but I guess you don't want to install that just to calibrate? | 02:57 |
| eccerr0r | I think my battery I'm using in this phone is pretty crappy now... it is several years old now, internal resistance is pretty bad compared to two other cells I have... | 02:57 |
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| ShadowJK | on stock you'd do "stop bme" and manually "start bme" again in the few seconds between edv1 and phone dying from lack of power (which can probably cause fs corruption) | 02:58 |
| ShadowJK | but stock doesn't flash red, so.. | 02:58 |
| eccerr0r | based off of the estimated capacity numbers it seems like it still holds 1.1AH or so if discharged slowly... | 02:58 |
| robbiethe1st | Why not just replace it? | 02:58 |
| robbiethe1st | They're like $12 for a good knockoff | 02:59 |
| eccerr0r | running KP52 + stock BME... | 02:59 |
| * ShadowJK likes to do calibration at some resonable rate of discharge, so that it's calibrated for capacity when used, not capacity in standby mode ;) | 02:59 | |
| eccerr0r | Oh I have two much better condition batteries, I just want to milk the rest of the life out of this one. | 02:59 |
| eccerr0r | I figure that the phone will be in standby most of the time for me, it's not like my primary computer :o | 03:00 |
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| eccerr0r | (this battery suffered two years of abuse in a Nokia 5230...but maybe not nearly as much "abuse" as in an n900 that drains it faster...) | 03:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | OK guys, you asked for it, here you are: 3 entities, 2 councils :-/// | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: big fail | 03:16 |
| Woody14619 | how so? | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | non-identical | 03:21 |
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| Woody14619 | well, 4 out of 5? :P | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one or two trolls were thinking it's a nice idea to vote different for both elections | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, vote for one election only | 03:23 |
| Win7Mac | 1 or 2 were enough? | 03:23 |
| Woody14619 | well, such is life. :P | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and me losing interest in all this also is life | 03:23 |
| Win7Mac | *1 or 2*??? | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, thanks for voting to everybody | 03:25 |
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| Woody14619 | win7mac actually, like 6 or 7. but, yes... | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | results are here for everybody to watch and muse: http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=33 http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=31 | 03:26 |
| Woody14619 | there were delats in the sub votes too. :P | 03:26 |
| Woody14619 | k... well.. there you have it. :) off for a bit to eat & what not. | 03:28 |
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| Woody14619 | congrats to all 6 new council... 4+1 & 4+1. :) | 03:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I started this whole thing to unify both councils into one. I'm not going to attend two councils for 6 months, and I'm not going to adjust what I promised to what this friggin 2 fools made of that election. Either I find a way to unify the both councils or i'll step down | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we can live with two councils for a few weeks maybe | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I don't like to have two council meeting, two council meeting minutes, and discussions^2 with BoD for the next 6 months | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't do that, physically | 03:43 |
| fmunozs | there are just two different persons, isn't it possible to have them both on the council? | 03:44 |
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| fmunozs | people* | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no rule to have unelected members on either of both councils | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and there's no rule that allows 6 MCC members either | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there is a way to unify both bodies, but that has to get discussed non-public | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and that won't happen today, it's late in europe | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also, as already said, we don't need to unify noth entities tonight, but we shouldn't wait til next election is near | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/noth/both/ | 03:51 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: also, as already said, we don't need to unify both entities tonight, but we shouldn't wait til next election is near | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, welcome on board merlin1991 chem|st qwazix thedead1440 sixwheeledbeast | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since there seem to be ambiguities, I haven't said I'd step back right away! No way! I say I can't sustain running in 2 councils for extended periods of time | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but your council wasn't your council if we hadn't thought about a plan B already. We will find a way to handle that as well, I'm rather sure about that | 04:09 |
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| shawnjefferson | On election results: the huge amount of votes you got, joerg, is an indication of the community's appreciation of the work you are doing. | 05:07 |
| shawnjefferson | too bad about the differing results, but this probably wasn't the best way to address this issue-but worth a shot I guess. | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shawnjefferson: rhanks a lot :-) | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks even | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas it was the only way | 05:10 |
| shawnjefferson | why not a referendum? Cut and dry, easy for both users and BoD and MCC to interpret. You won't get a small minority screwing things up either. | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to a certain person in HiFo | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a referendum is a tool of MCC, which has no saying about any HiFo related things incl HFC | 05:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I been well aware of a possibility that a minority screws up stuff for everybody, which is not a true democratic spirit in that procedure | 05:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but, as mentioned above, it been the only possible way | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for HiFo BoD accepting/appointing MCC as HFC | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the we would have had a unified HFC/MCC *before* elections, and everything fine | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but one person in HiFo wasn't happy with that approach | 05:14 |
| shawnjefferson | should have been, but I'm aware of the issues with that board member even if I dont understand him at all. | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | welcome to the club! ;-D | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're a really huge club already | 05:17 |
| shawnjefferson | I'm sure we'll get it sorted out somehow. | 05:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not really a problem, 4/5 of both bodies are identical | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as I said above, we anticipated exactly such issue and have a plan b for that | 05:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's however bad style and not politically correct to discuss this plan b publicly | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for obvious reasons | 05:23 |
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| shawnjefferson | good luck! | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! :-) | 05:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: now you at least have some tiny new bits for retroactive updating of http://www.mwkn.net/2013/18/front.html | 07:59 |
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| unclouded | ShadowJK, is the sense resistor for the charger different than the one for the charge meter? | 08:12 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: get sixwheeledbeast and thedead1440 to drop, maybe? | 09:19 |
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| ShadowJK | unclouded; yes | 12:22 |
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| ShadowJK | unclouded; bq27200 has two 10-ish mohm sense resistors in series, of which one is shared with cellmo iirc.. bq24150 has a 68mR-ish sense resistor | 12:24 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: i don't know if you are aware, but u-boot in extras-devel repo is broken. for some reason apt-get wants to install the older version, not the new one :( | 12:44 |
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| Pali | freemangordon: run: apt-cache policy u-boot-flasher | 12:56 |
| freemangordon | Pali: already did it, it is the older version listed | 12:56 |
| freemangordon | apt-get update does not fix it | 12:56 |
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| Pali | new version is missing? | 12:57 |
| Pali | do you have extras-devel enabled? | 12:57 |
| Pali | really DEB package is not there: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/u/u-boot/ | 12:57 |
| freemangordon | it is there | 12:58 |
| freemangordon | i wget and installed it | 12:58 |
| Pali | ah, is there | 12:58 |
| Pali | old version is not there | 12:58 |
| freemangordon | but apt wants to install the older version | 12:58 |
| Pali | and what is output of apt-cache policy? | 12:58 |
| unclouded | cheers ShadowJK. the 68 ohm value makes sense with the V(charge) and V(term) values in the comments but not with $CR? ( which is 132, not 68) | 12:58 |
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| ShadowJK | oh, CR is something else, it represents losses between charger chip and the battery | 13:00 |
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| ShadowJK | I only use it for estimating system power use during the CV phase of charging | 13:00 |
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| unclouded | aha. thanks for explaining that. now other comments in the script become clear to me | 13:01 |
| ShadowJK | The RS (bq27200 sense) I've varied between 20 and 21 on my devices, CR between 128 and 132 on my various devices | 13:01 |
| ShadowJK | The CR thing in practice, on the device, doesn't behave entirely ohmic | 13:06 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/08/nokia_shareholders_revolt_over_elop/ | 13:14 |
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| vi__ | good morning. | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the whole thing behaves rather erratic at times | 13:21 |
| vi__ | Can someone tell me what the dickens has happened to libpcre3? | 13:21 |
| vi__ | It is not in extras, testing, devel. | 13:21 |
| vi__ | But it was before. | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it is not in repo, or not in packages.gz? | 13:22 |
| vi__ | I am not sure. | 13:22 |
| vi__ | Kismet depnds on it. | 13:22 |
| vi__ | Kismet USED to install just fine. | 13:22 |
| vi__ | Now it complains there is no libpcre3 | 13:22 |
| vi__ | apt-cache search agress, there is no libpcre3 in any repo. | 13:23 |
| vi__ | ^agrees | 13:23 |
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| vi__ | kismet: Depends: libpcre3 (>= 6.7-1osso1+r1) but it is not installable | 13:24 |
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| vi__ | kerio: ping | 13:27 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: What do you get if you run 'apt-cache search libpcre3' | 13:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache search libpcre3 | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | libpcre3 - Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime files | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: which repo *exactly* do you use? where it should find this lib? | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw: | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: 6.7-1osso1+r1 | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Candidate: 6.7-1osso1+r1 | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and PRETTY PLEASE somebody FIX this friggin apt-cache to print full repo spec incl full pathname, not inly host part of URL! | 13:50 |
| vi__ | I have: | 13:50 |
| vi__ | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free | 13:50 |
| vi__ | deb http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/ fremantle free non-free | 13:50 |
| vi__ | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: I don't need your complete apt config ;-) | 13:51 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: what repo do you have that I do not? | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's probably irrelevant since I most likely changed them 20 times since that lib got installed | 13:52 |
| vi__ | damn | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkgs | 13:52 |
| infobot | somebody said #maemo pkg was http://maemo.org/packages/ | 13:52 |
| vi__ | but if it is in your apt-cache, that means it is in your available package list? | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or in my cache | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right? | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *** 6.7-1osso1+r1 0 | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and PRETTY PLEASE somebody FIX this friggin apt-cache to print full repo spec incl full pathname, not inly host part of URL! | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't be more than max 2 src lines to patch | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably rather just comment out some filtering | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though HAH, https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | guess what, I think you're doomed ;-) | 13:55 |
| Mr_Stupid | I've requested an invitation to upload into extras-devel wednesday last week and still can't upload, does it usually take that long? | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *usually* not | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but we had very little "usually" since migration#2 | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ | 13:56 |
| Mr_Stupid | Should i request the invitation again? | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | won't help | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either it ends again in /dev/null or the guy responsible is still not responsive | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: are you the guy who's not responsive? ;-D | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think merlin told he can approve garage project or accounts or whatever | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if he also gets the relevant mail regarding that | 13:58 |
| Mr_Stupid | k, thx | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we might need to fix a postfix alias | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | best advice: stay tuned here, pester merlin1991 and me once a day | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2nd best adbice: if best advice fails, send a mail to techstaff at m.o | 13:59 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Thankyou. libpcre3 installed. | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where from you pulled it? | 14:00 |
| * vi__ hands doc a steaming cup of black coffee and an ice cold beer for later. | 14:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tabletsdev | 14:00 |
| infobot | it has been said that tabletsdev is http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/ | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr | 14:00 |
| vi__ | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/libpcre3/6.7-1osso1+r1/ | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron | 14:01 |
| infobot | methinks skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh | 14:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | even OOOOOH fremantle_ssu_pr1-2 OOOOOH | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya all | 14:04 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: I only get mails for garage projects, nothing for extras upload rights | 17:41 |
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| Woody14619 | and... my brain just exploded. WebGL compiler compiles C/C++ into asm.js for use in HTML5 browsers..... <*BAM*> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/html5-epic-citadel-demo-shows-the-power-of-opengl-in-the-browser/ | 20:23 |
| Woody14619 | freemangordon Ready to compile maemo-thumb into HTML5? :) ^^^ | 20:24 |
| freemangordon | Woody14619: actually alopex(embedlite for fremantle) kinda supports webgl ;). though there are some nit to be fixed | 20:27 |
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| Pali | M4rtinK: ping | 21:03 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you going to resign from one of the two councils? | 21:06 |
| kerio | you were joking, right | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not going to resign from either, since in 4 weeks they are one | 21:07 |
| kerio | :o | 21:07 |
| kerio | how | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise I'll probably resign from both | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since then workload for each single one of them will be higher than for the unified one | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: there are ways to handle stuff when all are unanimously pushing into one direction | 21:09 |
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| esaym153 | nokia x2 a good phone? I need something cheap with good battery life (and I like nokia). I see a bunch of them on ebay for cheap... | 21:51 |
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| M4rtinK | Pali: pong | 22:35 |
| Pali | M4rtinK, why is modrana compiling on device and not on autobuilder? | 22:35 |
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| M4rtinK | Pali: because I was not able to make autobuilder do that | 22:36 |
| Pali | ah, so because autobuilder :D | 22:36 |
| Pali | then ok | 22:36 |
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| M4rtinK | I tried some directives that should do that - python-support something DH something | 22:37 |
| Pali | you can try to play with sbox redirect | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK | but it didn't do anything :) | 22:37 |
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| Pali | I do not know exact env name | 22:37 |
| Pali | but there is something which tell sbox to do not use binaries which comes with sbox | 22:38 |
| M4rtinK | well I could also just ship the bytecode | 22:38 |
| M4rtinK | modRana works just fine with only pyc files on Android :) | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | the issue would be where to get Python 2.5 these days to do the compilation :) | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | so the current solution, while making the install phase a bit longer, is IMHO more robust int the end | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | as 1) you use the same Python as the same Python to compile & run the code 2) you just need to make a simple source package without additional magic :) | 22:42 |
| Pali | can you precompile pyc files in local scratchbox? | 22:42 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that could work | 22:43 |
| Pali | I think that including it source dsc package is better then compiling on device | 22:43 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, what is the policy ? | 22:44 |
| M4rtinK | ship only pyc or both py & pyc ? | 22:44 |
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| Pali | in dsc source package should be full source code | 22:44 |
| M4rtinK | well, shouldn't be that much bigger | 22:45 |
| Pali | and in binary deb package something "executable" | 22:45 |
| Pali | I do not know policy of python, but if you do not expect that somebody want to edit python files on device you can ship only pyc files in DEB package... | 22:46 |
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| M4rtinK | oh, yeah, good point ! :) | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | gpodder does .py only | 22:51 |
| M4rtinK | I've actually already told people a few times to hack the source until a fix is released for an issue :) | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | pyc only would lose that :) | 22:52 |
| M4rtinK | ShadowJK: well, I haven't checked the how much faster it is | 22:53 |
| M4rtinK | lately | 22:53 |
| M4rtinK | but there should be some startup speed bonus | 22:53 |
| M4rtinK | and every speedup counts on the N900 :) | 22:53 |
| ShadowJK | I compiled gpodder on my n900 and didn't notice any boost in startup | 22:53 |
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| M4rtinK | well, modRana has a built-in startup benchmark I can run :) | 22:56 |
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| ShadowJK | Well I use "time" and counted cpu time to open and close | 22:57 |
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| eccerr0r | hmm...why does gpodder take so long to start up... searching the whole machine for podcasts? | 22:57 |
| ShadowJK | No it has a database for that | 22:57 |
| eccerr0r | about 10 seconds, not way too bad I guess. | 22:59 |
| eccerr0r | it does have 24MB RSS... ouch. | 22:59 |
| n900-dk_ | How many existing member(s) in HCC are still in HCC? | 23:01 |
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| n900-dk_ | s/HCC/HFC/ | 23:02 |
| infobot | n900-dk_ meant: How many existing member(s) in HFC are still in HCC? | 23:02 |
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| M4rtinK | ShadowJK, Pali: wow, the difference between compiled and uncompiled is quite big ! | 23:08 |
| M4rtinK | 3.5 s for compiled, 6-15 s for plain py | 23:09 |
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| ShadowJK | just py_compilefiles? | 23:10 |
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| M4rtinK | well, I've wiped all .py and .pyo | 23:11 |
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| M4rtinK | then run modRana | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | and then again | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | on a rw fs | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | so it made the bytecode during the first run | 23:12 |
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| M4rtinK | hmm, there might be a difference on r/o filesystem (as for an app in /opt) as there would be no file writing overhead | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK | i thought pyo was pyc but "optimized" | 23:14 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, full benchmark without bytecode: http://pastebin.com/VSYA1jRK | 23:14 |
| M4rtinK | and with bytecode: http://pastebin.com/qyJzrKAQ | 23:14 |
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| M4rtinK | hmm | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | looks like the difference from pyc is only missing docstrings and asserts (?): http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8822335/what-the-different-python-file-extensions-stand-for | 23:17 |
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