IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2013-05-07

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GeneralAntillesTough vote00:25
GeneralAntillesMakes me wish for RRV00:26
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GeneralAntillesWin7Mac, Reweighted Range Voting01:18
GeneralAntilles~RRV is Reweighted Range Voting
infobotGeneralAntilles: okay01:21
eccerr0rweighted voting? nice...01:22
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GeneralAntillesIt was more complicated to implement than STV01:22
GeneralAntillesand some people thought it would be too confusing to voters.01:22
GeneralAntillesThere were loooong discussions about voting methods.01:22
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Win7MacRRV with *this* election would have probably blewn the idea of identical councils...01:33
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GeneralAntillesWin7Mac, yes.01:36
GeneralAntillesand maybe that irritating and confusing idea could've gone by the wayside. :P01:36
Win7Macbut the idea is good01:41
Win7Mac...of RRV01:41
Win7Macwell, the other one too, but thats more out of misery...01:42
Win7Mac~STV is Single Transferable Vote
infobotokay, Win7Mac01:49
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* Win7Mac says goodnight and *VOTE* in case you haven't yet, only ~24h left!02:33
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Macerhm odd11:32
Maceri have an ancient email on tmo11:32
Macerwent to changee it and says it is in use?11:32
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Macerok fk it. i give up11:36
Maceri will vote next time11:37
Macerthe voting is already far in line with what i would have voted for anyways heh11:37
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Macerguess i cant vote with my acct11:52
Maceroh well11:52
Macersays i am not a voter or have already voted11:53
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DocScrutinizer05Macer: EH????12:09
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DocScrutinizer05Macer: either you got a token mail, or you missed it and need to get a new one, or you never got sent a mail since you're not in electorate table (too low karma, no or too young garage account). Anyway please see my instaructions12:10
DocScrutinizer05>>Important info: This time basically everybody is entitled to participate in voting and we very much like to ask you to actually do. If you haven't received a token mail yet, this might be either due to problems with sending the mail to you, or you're not in the bunch that automatically got a mail due to karma or account age issues. please see how to proceed, there's probably no12:11
DocScrutinizer05reason why you shouldn't be allowed to vote.<<12:11
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DocScrutinizer05the crippled URL in quote should be
DocScrutinizer05((<Macer> the voting is already far in line with what i would have voted for anyways heh)) I can't make any sense out of that12:14
DocScrutinizer05except for the highly likely fact that 5 out of 7 will get elected, how do you know that vote is in line with what you whould have voted for?12:16
* DocScrutinizer05 insists in macer voting, hoping for macer to vote doc out of the councils12:20
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zammyoh sheet... my n900 keeps rebooting in loop... it does not start anymore... then it starts the boot loader... what shall I choose on backup menu?13:15
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zammyoh no sheet now neither boot loader ...13:19
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keriozammy: reflash!13:27
kerioactually not necessarily13:28
kerioyou can use rescueOS13:28
zammyI fucked up13:28
zammyI can reset13:28
zammythere was no file necessary to save13:28
zammyI got how to run the bootloader13:29
zammynow I see backup boot loader13:29
zammybut I did not backup anything13:29
zammyalright my experiments are ended13:29
zammyI fucked up idk how13:29
zammyI downloaded the nokia kernel13:29
zammythen I suppose that has fucked up13:30
zammyI was trying to get my mice on n90013:30
kerioinstall extmou13:31
zammyaiming at what?13:31
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Win7Mac"vote doc out of the councils" - fun idea, but sorry, won't happen. ;-p13:45
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DocScrutinizer05backup boot loader?14:15
DocScrutinizer05I'll happily help to get your terminology straight. :-)14:15
DocScrutinizer05there's backupmenu14:16
DocScrutinizer05it's unrealted to bootloader14:16
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DocScrutinizer05there's also bootmenu (which backupmenu is based on) - also unrelated to bootloader, despite the name14:16
DocScrutinizer05then there's uBoot, actually a bootloader (chainloaded bootloader in fact, NOLO original bootloader will still be in place and effect) - but it's unrealted to backup. Might be the cause for bootloops though14:18
DocScrutinizer05most common root cause for bootloops: mismatch between kernel that gets loaded by bootloader NOLO or uBoot and the kernel modules of rootfs (aka "/") that gets mounted (actually passed to kernel via kernel cmdline) by bootloader14:21
DocScrutinizer05recent top rank #2: fscked-up bme in rootfs14:22
DocScrutinizer05#3: leete geeks trying to optify parts of libs or tools that are needed during init process, thus causing mass segfaults on dsme-safeguarded system processes, like pulseaudio, X11/hildon, browserd, whatelse14:24
DocScrutinizer05all this is usually completely fixable by a flashing of *COMBINED* plus standard hildon backup restore14:25
DocScrutinizer05for uBoot and kernel related fsckups you have some additional work ahead of you to restore your system to what it been before you ruined it, since normal restore can't restore uBoot or custom kernels14:26
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anthoniedoes anyone know if a newer version of libc6 exists, newer than the one we have, which is 2.5. I am looking for a version -> 2.7.14:53
MacerDocScrutinizer05: no big deal :) guess it's all about tmo posts? heh14:53
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anthonieno one knows?15:03
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DocScrutinizer05anthonie: sorry, I don't15:06
DocScrutinizer05Macer: huh? You lost me15:06
anthonieDocScrutinizer05: thanks, I asked in the devel channel as well; no answer.15:08
DocScrutinizer05I think a newer libc version wouldn't play nice with current maemo system which is based on the libc version we have15:10
DocScrutinizer05my uneducated guess on that15:10
anthoniei am afraid so. well, probably going to try anyway. Have mpd up and running now and would love to use ncmpcpp as a client for that15:12
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zammydoes anyone know how to unlock latest DTG?17:24
Pali~seen MartinK17:24
infoboti haven't seen 'martink', Pali17:24
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Pali~seen M4rtinK17:27
infobotm4rtink <> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 20d 15h 49m 59s ago, saying: 'RzR: BTW, any info how long will the meego obs stay up ?'.17:27
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PaliDocScrutinizer05: voting for packages not working17:40
DocScrutinizer05probably midgard login related17:40
Paliwhen I clicked on thumb up button nothing happened17:40
Palibut I'm logged in17:41
DocScrutinizer05Pali: mhm. But honestly, I dunno what to do about it right now17:41
DocScrutinizer05we're just discussing way larger projects, in admin channel17:41
DocScrutinizer05and we have nobody who would know where to kick to make that voting work, anyway17:42
DocScrutinizer05Pali: I invited you to admin channel for a reason anyway17:43
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zammywhat the hell my nokia says ever that read only18:48
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zammyI tried all kind of stuff about normal linux chmod and chown18:49
zammyno way18:49
cehtehyou tried not hard enough18:50
cehtehis it mounted readonly? needs fsck?18:51
kerioit probably needs a fsck18:56
keriodidn't you just reflash, zammy?18:56
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DocScrutinizer05reflash of rootfs/combined18:57
DocScrutinizer05not of eMMC I guess18:57
DocScrutinizer05zammy: a tad more accurate info about the particular error message would help a lot18:58
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zammyMyDocs is read-only19:35
zammythere is some mount problem19:35
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FIQtomorrow I'll leave the country... while this sounds irrelevant, I wonder how to prevent my n900 from happily connecting to internet asap when I turn it on for this20:14
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kerioFIQ: disable automatic connections, disable data while roaming?20:16
FIQjust wanted to make it 100% sure it wouldn't connect anyway20:17
kerioif you're *really* worried, change the APN20:17
FIQand screw me up20:17
kerioto something that's not working20:17
FIQthough I guess flight mode would work too :)20:17
FIQs/flight mode/not entering PIN/20:17
infobotFIQ meant: though I guess not entering PIN would work too :)20:18
kerioFIQ: you mean tabletpc mode :)20:18
FIQwell whatever it's called.. :P20:18
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PaliM4rtinK: ping20:54
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Sicelolol, did they really tell Elop: "Are you aware that results are what matter? The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Please switch to another road," as reported in
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cehtehoh no, not another road again, pls elop go staight to hell dont take detour, dont stop, hurry up23:14
GeneralAntillesCan't switch direction again or they'll be done.23:16
cehtehthey'll done anyways23:17
GeneralAntillesI don't see the purpose in ejecting all control over your own fate and tying yourself to another company23:18
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GeneralAntillesespecially one that has not demonstrated an ability to keep up in the mobile device market.23:18
cehtehthat plan was doomed from the very beginning23:20
cehtehat best they may sustain as niche player now23:20
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cehtehone among others23:21
kerioi bet that rereleasing the 3310 would work well23:21
GeneralAntillesNo chance for innovation.23:21
cehtehbtw didnt jolla wanted to announce a real device already?23:23
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GeneralAntillescehteh, 20 or 24th of this month, I think.23:30
GeneralAntillesI'm tired of their marketing.23:30
GeneralAntillesAll fluff and vapor23:30
cehtehyeah me too, i'd just wish them luck while wait and see. there are no much other alternatives when you want some mostly free OS and a native platform23:32
cehtehwell my n900 still works .. so i'll just keep using that anyway23:32
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cehtehi am a bit jealous about my wifes note 2 hardware ... but android makes me angry23:33
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DocScrutinizer05I wonder if Elop had accepted this job when he had to toss in all his private assets and would've get paid in Nokia shares, or even better in nokia options23:37
DocScrutinizer05or, best idea ever: 0.5% percent of total of employee wages paid by nokia23:38
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GeneralAntillescehteh, BlackBerry 10 is a reasonable stop-gap compromise.23:45
cehtehi dont need a compromise as long my n900 stays working23:45
GeneralAntillesYou said you're jealous of the hardware. :P23:45
GeneralAntillesIt's pretty much got the hardware23:46
GeneralAntilleswith a UX that managed to accomplish most of what Harmattan was aiming for.23:46
cehtehi just hope my n900 will hold some time longer... and when it dies someday i check whats available then23:47
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