IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2013-05-02

sixwheeledbeastMacer isn't that a really old version?00:05
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Win7Macthanks for updating team/How Elections Work:
sixwheeledbeastditto ^^^00:08
Macerdoesn't matter anyways00:14
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keriois it bad taste to vote for oneself?00:42
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sixwheeledbeastI don't see why.00:43
freemangordonkerio: vote is anonymous, so noone will learn about that :P00:44
freemangordon*the vote00:44
sixwheeledbeastI wouldn't expect politicians to vote for the other parties.00:45
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sixwheeledbeastAnybody know how/if possible to "permanently" set the RDS station name on fmtx?01:11
keriosixwheeledbeast: hm, something sets it to "NOKIA", not sure what01:12
kerioand i'm not sure how often it does that01:13
sixwheeledbeastI can change it with fmtx_client but somehow it reverts back after a while.01:13
rikaneesixwheeledbeast: try running strings on fmtxd01:14
DocScrutinizer05there's a sysfs node to write RDS text to01:14
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DocScrutinizer05 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/rds_ps_name01:16
sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: ty, i'd would have spend ages looking for that.01:19
DocScrutinizer05cd /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/; for f in rds*; do echo -e '\n\n' $f; cat $f; done01:20
DocScrutinizer05a somewhat OT question: how would I check in a bashscript for mousebutton pressed? Or could I even receive a signal or message when it gets pressed and when it gets released?01:24
DocScrutinizer05I'd be fine with checking for x-events, or mapping a "regular" kbd key to mousebutton and then readln, or whatever01:25
DocScrutinizer05probably ready from sysfs however would be my favourite01:26
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DocScrutinizer05I guess reading from /dev/input* or similar is the way to go though01:27
kerioit's most definetely not01:27
keriogoing that route will only lead to pain and suffering01:28
keriofighting against xorg is like invading russia01:28
DocScrutinizer05I might even shut down X11 on that machine, it's not really needed01:28
kerioyou'll get to some halfway point where something vaguely works01:28
kerioand then winter comes and you freeze your ass off and starve01:28
keriolook at xev maybe01:29
DocScrutinizer05I need that for generic input from sensors01:29
DocScrutinizer05in a controller alike setup01:29
DocScrutinizer05usually I'd use a USB 16 GPIO extender01:30
kerioDocScrutinizer05: why a mouse?01:30
keriowill position matter?01:30
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keriolike, the position of the cursor01:30
DocScrutinizer05because a mouse is cheaper than such GPIO dongle01:30
DocScrutinizer05no, as already mentioned I will run that script on a console, so any mouse moving doesn't interfere01:31
kerioDocScrutinizer05: use ncurses and enable mouse input :D01:31
keriogpm should work, in the linux consoles01:32
DocScrutinizer05I just want *raw* button-pressed?1:001:32
DocScrutinizer05or get a SIGUSR1 whenever it's pressed and a SIGUSR2 whenever it gets released01:32
DocScrutinizer05think of sth like a stopwatch01:33
DocScrutinizer05the 'app' starts on system init and takes control over the whole machine01:34
DocScrutinizer05and mousebuttons are your start/stop and reset buttons01:35
keriohm, i can't seem to *find* anything to do that01:35
DocScrutinizer05while only input from kbd that matters is ^C01:35
DocScrutinizer05or ctrl-alt-del ;-D01:36
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: well01:36
keriotry gpm to enable the mouse in the consoles01:36
keriothen enable mouse tracking and read01:36
keriolike `printf "\e[?9h"`01:37
kerioeach mouse event is 6 characters01:37
kerioi'm not sure if it will work inside of a linux console01:37
DocScrutinizer05thanks a lot01:37
kerioit'll work under xterm, for sure01:37
Skryxinput --test01:40
Rivierait would require something like gpm for the linux console01:40
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Skryah, console, right01:41
Skrylazy reader01:41
Riviera(the sequences are the same in the console as for xterm, though)01:42
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Skryanyway, there is also evtest01:54
Skrygn from here too01:55
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DocScrutinizer05cat /dev/input/mouse0|od -x -w2; already yields almost all I need02:35
DocScrutinizer05nevertheless thanks02:35
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DocScrutinizer05now maybe I manage to decouple mouse0 from trackpad of that laptop, and actually disable the mouse for X1102:36
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DocScrutinizer05then I wouldn't even need to shutdown X11 for this to work unattended02:37
DocScrutinizer05if you wonder: the true purpose is kinda that of a doorchime playing a random chime *.wav each time the button gets pressed02:38
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DocScrutinizer05to make all that a tiny bit less booring, the laptop shall shut down when mains power gets switched off, and shall boot or resume to that chime app when mains power gets restored02:40
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infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: to make all that a tiny bit less boring, the laptop shall shut down when mains power gets switched off, and shall boot or resume to that chime app when mains power gets restored02:40
DocScrutinizer05allowed hardware mods: slaughter a mouse to wire the door chime button to the mouse button switch02:41
DocScrutinizer05for sure on N900 I had chosen different input method02:42
DocScrutinizer05like hold button on headset02:42
DocScrutinizer05but a N900 was too expensive for that job02:43
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: may i suggest hooking up a physical bell to the door?02:50
DocScrutinizer05I said "kinda like"02:50
DocScrutinizer05did I?02:50
DocScrutinizer05plus the random part is essential02:51
keriobtw, why slaughter a mouse and not a keyboard?02:51
FIQumm what's this about?02:51
FIQa random doorbell tune?02:51
DocScrutinizer05also retriggerability and general finegrained control over behaviour in niche cases is important02:52
keriomay i suggest hooking up the kinda like door to a double pendulum that hits tiny bells in a random order02:52
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FIQone of my relatives actually have random tunes playing when you doorbell02:52
DocScrutinizer05it's about a advert poster that plays random messages when PIR motion detectors show somebody is near02:52
FIQsounds more advanced than the above then02:53
kerio(also, where is a n900 more expensive than a laptop? :o)02:53
DocScrutinizer05kerio: the guy managing this acted prematurely, or he already had a mouse laying around, and he also thought a mouse is "mechanically simpler to handle" than a kbd with its matrix and stuff02:54
kerio(as in :o and then )02:54
FIQkerio: old used laptops (which I guess would fit this purpose) probably cost less02:54
kerioDocScrutinizer05: fair 'nuff02:54
FIQand they're easier to get on hold of to...02:54
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: exactly02:54
DocScrutinizer05I might have to deal with up to 4 or 5 PIR sensors, to detect approach as well as wandering off of visitors02:56
DocScrutinizer05I have to handel multiple visitors02:56
DocScrutinizer05I have to handle timeouts to avoid endless loops when bulks of 100s of visiotrs pass by02:56
DocScrutinizer05there might be even requirements about the not so random randomness02:57
DocScrutinizer05like "text C never must follow on text A"02:58
DocScrutinizer05end user might want to chanhe textx "on the fly"02:58
DocScrutinizer05there might be mandatory pause times between texts02:59
DocScrutinizer05(which is easy to accomplish with silent recorting tailing the text in *.wav, but I can think of more elegant ways to implement it)02:59
DocScrutinizer05so ut took me 00:2:15 to come up with the complete concept after customer explained what he needs03:00
DocScrutinizer05and in that 2min 15s I said "mouse, for example"03:01
keriodammit doc, why didn't you say "usb gpio"03:01
DocScrutinizer05because there been tough cost constraints03:02
DocScrutinizer05and also time constraints, the whole thing has to work in 2 days03:03
DocScrutinizer05the jobs we like most ;-P03:04
keriowhy do you always end up in situations where there's less than the healthy amount of time available?03:04
DocScrutinizer05nah, 2 days is more than enough to write that silly little bash script03:05
DocScrutinizer05I'm more worried about the "wake on power return" which is not a function generally found on laptops03:05
DocScrutinizer05and of course got introduced into specs after initial concept been agreed upon03:06
DocScrutinizer05and laptop got purchased03:06
DocScrutinizer05(t60, for 150EUR)03:06
DocScrutinizer05dman, those crittest have a poor screen ;-)03:07
DocScrutinizer05damn, those critters have a poor screen ;-)03:07
DocScrutinizer05tiny 1024*76803:07
kerioDocScrutinizer05: power key on a timer03:07
keriono, like a physical timer, i guess03:08
keriohooked up to the power key03:08
keriomake linux ignore it03:08
DocScrutinizer05I have no problem at all to power down the shit when mains->battery mode03:08
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: why even have it with the battery connected?03:08
DocScrutinizer05I won't disassembel that T60 and solder wires to the power key03:08
DocScrutinizer05good point03:09
DocScrutinizer05but still, would it boot on power return?03:09
kerioidk, check the bios03:10
DocScrutinizer05I thought of having it wake up every NN minutes on RTC-alarm, check if it's on mains power or battery power, and set new RTC-alarm and suspend again when on battery03:11
keriohm, make it wake up every NN minutes on RTC-alarm, and remove the battery03:11
kerio(hopefully the backup battery can last enough)03:11
keriohold on, "wake up"?03:11
DocScrutinizer05kerio: it's a laptop, tose usually have no "boot on power return" bios option03:11
kerioanyway, a raspberry pi costs much less than 150EUR, has audio and gpio03:12
DocScrutinizer05alas RTC can only have one alarm per day scheduled03:12
DocScrutinizer05sure, but coding all that shit on RPi would require me to first *get* such RPi and then install a development environment for it03:13
kerioit would require you to first get such a RPi and then vi awesoemadverts.sh03:14
kerioand then... idk, run it from rc.local03:14
DocScrutinizer05I'm not able to accomplish all that in 48h03:14
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DocScrutinizer05I offered a N810 for lease, for 30 bucks a month, but that been no option03:17
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keriofwiw, i'd probably *require* 30 bucks a month to host a n81003:17
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DocScrutinizer05but then you're not the customer03:18
DocScrutinizer05who is as technophob as it gets03:18
kerioanyway, you lost an occasion to sell one of your half-broken n900s for 150€ :P03:19
DocScrutinizer05i have no half-broken N900, and honestly I been asked if I could sell one of them, but I didn't like to03:19
DocScrutinizer05we finally decided that a standard ISA laptop, used one for cheap, was the best solution03:20
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DocScrutinizer05when it breaks during that project running, everybody can get replacement in no time03:21
DocScrutinizer05and after that project ends, it still has a certain value for the customer. Unlike e.g. a RPi03:21
xesDocScrutinizer05:  ....have you considered one eeebox?03:22
DocScrutinizer05not that i really knew what that is, except that it sounds like eeePC, but we had only 48h to get hw and implement the complete set03:23
kerioxes: raspberry motherfuckin pi!03:23
keriothe eeebox is like a mac mini03:23
kerioexcept not expensive03:23
kerioie a "real" desktop computer03:23
DocScrutinizer05wouldn't be available at that shop next door where my friend bought that T6003:24
DocScrutinizer05not that a laptop was a particularly smart idea, given that you could get a cheesy used desktop PC for <100 bucks03:25
DocScrutinizer05while that T60 cost 15003:25
xeswell, i have one box filled of eeebox, i love them , when i need a spare pc, connection boxes, vpn, firewall, monitoring systems etc...i pick one, and.. done! ;)03:25
DocScrutinizer05well, I'm only the system architect and coder monkey, and I haven't put any particular constraints on hw to get, except "runs linux, has a external mouse or kbd"03:26
DocScrutinizer05my friend does all the shopping and hw mods needed, also probably will get a amp and speakers, and the PIR sensors, and in the end he sells the whole thing to customer03:28
DocScrutinizer05and he called me and told me "eh, I got a T60, and here's a mouse I will rewire to the PIR sensors"03:29
DocScrutinizer05"could you please come down to 1st floor and install linux on that laptop?"03:29
DocScrutinizer05I told him how to install linux while i ate my pizza ;-D03:30
kerioxes: why the eeebox and not something smaller? :s03:30
DocScrutinizer05now until Friday I'll write a cheesy little bash script, and hope for everything to work as expected when that exhibition opens doors on weekend03:31
xeskerio: it's easy: time! They use a sata disk that i can prepare into a desktop pc in 10 minutes without wait "intel Atom" times... And they also have all the peripherals of a standard pc in the same misures of a router03:33
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DocScrutinizer05ok, anothe one for you, if you're still bored and willing to help a little: I have /dev/input/mouse1 and /dev/input/mouse0. How ould I tell X to ignore mouse1?03:39
DocScrutinizer05aiui all mouse* are merged into /dev/input/mice03:40
DocScrutinizer05which is kinda PITA for what I need to implement03:40
* DocScrutinizer05 looks at /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/11-mouse.conf and pukes03:43
* DocScrutinizer05 frowns at /dev/input/event* as well03:44
xeshumm... my friend used an rs232 usb adaptor to read the status of a pir sensor...03:46
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that would've been my approach if we had a)time and b)funds03:48
xesthis could be interesting:
DocScrutinizer05yeah, sounds good03:49
xesusing actkbd03:49
DocScrutinizer05xes: indeed this is *exactly* what i needed, many thanks :-D03:54
xesyw! ;-)03:55
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DocScrutinizer05xinput --disable "Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse"; while :; do od -An -N3 -tx1 -w3 /dev/input/mouse1; aplay $(head -n $(( RANDOM % $(cat wh_wav-to-play.cfg |wc -l) + 1 )) wh_wav-to-play.cfg|tail -n 1); done08:48
DocScrutinizer05cheesy enough ;-P08:49
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qwazixZogG_laptop, hey11:38
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, why are you emitting bubbles :P ?11:39
qwazixbtw I probably won't be able to attend friday's meeting, it's the friday before easter here.11:41
DocScrutinizer05because my life starts to suck11:42
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uncloudedwhoops, wrong window12:23
florianunclouded: harmess... unless it was the control terminal of your F16 ;)12:28
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DocScrutinizer05wtf MAIL??12:32
DocScrutinizer05I nuked sth?12:32
DocScrutinizer05meh, no idea. All back to normal12:34
DocScrutinizer05err, ECHAN12:35
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n900-dkWould it be possible to LTE-enable the N900 in some way with a connected USB-dongle?14:46
zammysame question I posted my first day I connected to this channel14:47
DocScrutinizer05not really14:57
DocScrutinizer05USB Vbus power is 5V*100mA max, way too low for LTE dongle14:57
DocScrutinizer05err, maybe 200?14:58
DocScrutinizer05still too low14:58
chem|stn900-dk: with a powered OTG adapter maybe15:00
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n900-dkokay, maybe easier with a transportable LTE-router then15:05
DocScrutinizer05btw it's debatable how much sense such project makes15:06
DocScrutinizer05with internal UMTS modem you outperform any LTE via N900 fake USB15:06
DocScrutinizer05ok ping latencies are probably lower on LTE still15:07
DocScrutinizer05and power saving might work better15:07
DocScrutinizer05but mere maximum theoretical bandwidth isn't a good argument for LTE15:08
DocScrutinizer05in this case15:08
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n900-dkUSB will be a bottleneck?15:09
DocScrutinizer05N900 performs rather poor on H-E-N USB hostmode15:09
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DocScrutinizer05it seems even with highspeed mode correctly negotiated USB can't reach even a fraction of the USB2.0 bandwidth of 480Mbit15:12
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DocScrutinizer05*might* be related to storage drivers though, the tests I heard of been done with memsticks15:14
DocScrutinizer05or HDD drives15:14
cryptoniteguys i have thins strange issue with my n900, running conky i see that the image-viewer app is running and is using 90 mb ram and 270mb vram15:16
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keriocryptonite: so kill it with fire15:32
kerioor with nine15:32
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* DocScrutinizer05 prefers a decent htop in a decent xterm any day15:37
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RaimuI've noticed seeing exact memory usages on the n900 is downright tricky16:23
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chiappacan only login through, site icon images broken, cannot post.. for a few days now the forum is acting pretty weird16:46
chiappaam i alone with this?16:47
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chiappaoh never mind=) it was just the archive16:49
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freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: I guess it worths mentioning cssu-thumb on
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: I am biased a bit, that is why I don't want to add that :)19:43
freemangordon(to the wiki page)19:43
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sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: Beginners wiki, do you have a "Stable" branch yet :)20:06
sixwheeledbeastIs there a Thumb wiki page?20:08
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: come on, beginners and KP :P20:08
freemangordonsirdancealot: no wiki page, maybe I should copy the information from the thread to the wiki20:09
freemangordonoops sixwheeledbeast: ^^^20:09
sixwheeledbeastKP without overclock is noted as a recommended but not important step.20:10
sixwheeledbeastKP is important for smartreflex and other bug fixes.20:10
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: naah, I don;t want to argue on that, I was just guessing it will be a good idea. BTW no matter what you think about "stable/testing" branch I try (and I think I succeed) to keep CSSU-thumb more stable than CSSU-S ;)20:11
sixwheeledbeastI don't see why CSSU Thumb couldn't have it's own page and links to CSSU main page?20:11
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: no reason besides someone should write it :)20:12
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sixwheeledbeastI know what you mean about stable/testing but where do you draw the line to be newbie friendly :)20:13
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sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: should I start a Thumb page and link it to CSSU page using your OP?20:15
Woody14619sixwheeledbeast, Win7Mac: Any feedback on the "How Elections Work" wiki page would be useful.  This is a rough draft right now, so.. Want to be sure in the end that it's clear to anyone reading how things work.20:15
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: if nothing has changed (from to user POV) after installation, I'd say it is newbie friendly :)20:15
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: I'll appreciate it20:15
sixwheeledbeastIn testing/thumb that's not the case then, AFAIK. Testing forces rotation and cameraui2 etc20:16
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: rotation is no longer forced20:17
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: oh, you mean desktop rotation?20:17
sixwheeledbeastI'll look into both wiki's above in minute. Yes desktop rotation, the way I see it testing should force you to test all things whereas Stable should keep the same UX20:18
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: honestly, I'd assume SR way more "newbie unfriendly" and unstable in general than any CSSU flavour. No, desktop rotation is meant to be a production feature, not some testing stuff20:20
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: there is "forced rotation" for applications, but that's a different beer20:20
n900-dkanything not working in CSSU-thumb?20:20
freemangordonn900-dk: AFAIK no20:21
n900-dkso a non-thumb app will work fine?20:22
sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: SR newbie unfriendly for stock freqs? really? It is released via a "stable" channel to all users. I understand many get confused between desktop rotation and forced...20:24
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: SR is not "released" as it is disabled by default, one should enable it to make it active20:25
freemangordonn900-dk: yes20:25
keriofreemangordon: hold on, what's unstable with SR?20:25
freemangordonkerio: hmm? I was comparing it with CSSU-thumb, not saying that it is unstable (for stock freqs)20:26
freemangordonkerio: read the backscroll please20:27
kerioi see20:27
sixwheeledbeastWell I see what you mean but IMO KP and CSSU come hand in hand as part of the community fixes.20:28
freemangordonhmm, why is that? CSSU has no dependency to KP20:29
freemangordonand it will bring its own kernel (hopefully with the next after the next update)20:29
freemangordonwhich will be stripped down KP of course, but still20:30
* ShadowJK has had a few gst/dsp crashes after switching to thumb+sr20:31
ShadowJKbut i also switched device20:32
ShadowJKwhen watching video20:33
kerioi sometimes get some crashes20:33
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keriowith streaming video20:33
freemangordonShadowJK: do you have those crashes with SR disabled?20:33
freemangordonShadowJK: I guess you don't OC.20:34
sixwheeledbeastKP is required for Smartreflex, IPv6, CIFS, Mobile hotspot etc. I honestly thought SR was enabled as default with KP tho.20:34
ShadowJKi dont20:34
sixwheeledbeastIs there a point to strip down KP why no depend on it?20:35
ShadowJKI noticed voltages changed from the at-boot ones when loadinf "default", and tried to make custom profile with sr and boot volts, but it's different still *shrug*20:35
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: no, SR is disabled by default20:39
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freemangordonShadowJK: "default" profile enables SR20:39
freemangordonShadowJK: does it crash when you load the untweaked "default" profile?20:40
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freemangordonShadowJK: also, what crash do you see, "DSP MMU fault"?20:43
sixwheeledbeastWoody14619: I see no issues. Works well following "the life of a single vote"20:44
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sixwheeledbeastSeems silly not to use SR if it's stable. Hmm I see your point. So when will CSSU come with K-CSSU?20:50
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: got to run, will continue tomorrow :)20:55
Woody14619Thanks sixwheeledbeast.  Win7Mac has some input on it, since some may be confusing to non-native speakers.  Wll be blending as best we can to see if we can make sure everyone like sit.20:56
Woody14619s/like sit/likes it/20:56
infobotWoody14619 meant: Thanks sixwheeledbeast.  Win7Mac has some input on it, since some may be confusing to non-native speakers.  Wll be blending as best we can to see if we can make sure everyone likes it.20:56
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ShadowJKfreemangordon; yeah the untweaked default profile is what crashed. Unfortunately I don't remember the dmesg of crash right now, I'll let you know next time it happens21:10
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Mr_StupidHello, anybody here familiar with py2deb?21:47
Mr_StupidThe wiki says i should build my app in MyDocs and that i have to take care about correct permissions set. But MyDocs is fat, so i can't set permissions?21:49
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sixwheeledbeastI didn't get on with py2deb. Not much help I know. Have you looked at threads on tmo?21:53
Mr_StupidYes, i searched tmo. But didn't find anything21:54
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sixwheeledbeastMr_Stupid: - Try these?21:58
Mr_Stupidthx, i'll have a look21:59
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sixwheeledbeastThere is now a thumb wiki page :)
Mr_StupidHmmm, i didn't try thumb yet :)22:42
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panjgoorithanks for the wiki sixwheeledbeast22:44
sixwheeledbeastWoody14619: Not sure if I am being thick but I am not sure I understand the new table22:45
sixwheeledbeastpanjgoori: fmg did the hard work I just wikified it really and fixed duff grammar.22:46
sixwheeledbeasttable is :
n900-dkCan you go from CSSU-Testing to CSSU-Thumb without reflashing?22:52
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sixwheeledbeastyou can go from any flavour to thumb22:58
n900-dkapps must be thumb enabled when compiled to benefit from thumb?  Sorry for stupid questions :)22:59
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* n900-dk don't really get thumb.. 23:01
sixwheeledbeastno, existing applications can be used. However thumb versions of applications OMP, qtworldclock) will reduce used memory more.23:02
n900-dkok, but only very few apps have thumb versions?23:03
sixwheeledbeastn900-dk: what don't you get, I can try to explain.23:03
sixwheeledbeastyes at the moment there's not many, hopefully autobuilder will be able to compile thumb versions in the future.23:04
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n900-dkI understand the smaller footprint and faster execution, but as long as very few apps are thumb enabled, I don't understand how to really benefit from thumb. Guess I need to try it to have my own experience :)23:11
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Win7MacHow ya like me now:
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Win7Macdoes this make sense to you?:
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n900-dkhmm, I need libxmuu1 for installing snx. How do I get libxmuu1?23:46
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Mr_Stupidlibxmuu1 is in the repos23:51
Mr_Stupidapt-get install libxmuu123:51
n900-dkwhich repo? Guess I dont have it..23:53
Mr_Stupidbtw, what's snx?23:56

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