| sixwheeledbeast | Macer isn't that a really old version? | 00:05 |
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| Win7Mac | thanks for updating Maemo.org team/How Elections Work: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team/How_Elections_Work | 00:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ditto ^^^ | 00:08 |
| Macer | doesn't matter anyways | 00:14 |
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| kerio | is it bad taste to vote for oneself? | 00:42 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I don't see why. | 00:43 |
| freemangordon | kerio: vote is anonymous, so noone will learn about that :P | 00:44 |
| freemangordon | *the vote | 00:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I wouldn't expect politicians to vote for the other parties. | 00:45 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Anybody know how/if possible to "permanently" set the RDS station name on fmtx? | 01:11 |
| kerio | sixwheeledbeast: hm, something sets it to "NOKIA", not sure what | 01:12 |
| kerio | and i'm not sure how often it does that | 01:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I can change it with fmtx_client but somehow it reverts back after a while. | 01:13 |
| rikanee | sixwheeledbeast: try running strings on fmtxd | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a sysfs node to write RDS text to | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/rds_ps_name | 01:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: ty, i'd would have spend ages looking for that. | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cd /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/; for f in rds*; do echo -e '\n\n' $f; cat $f; done | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a somewhat OT question: how would I check in a bashscript for mousebutton pressed? Or could I even receive a signal or message when it gets pressed and when it gets released? | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be fine with checking for x-events, or mapping a "regular" kbd key to mousebutton and then readln, or whatever | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably ready from sysfs however would be my favourite | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess reading from /dev/input* or similar is the way to go though | 01:27 |
| kerio | it's most definetely not | 01:27 |
| kerio | going that route will only lead to pain and suffering | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-P | 01:28 |
| kerio | fighting against xorg is like invading russia | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might even shut down X11 on that machine, it's not really needed | 01:28 |
| kerio | you'll get to some halfway point where something vaguely works | 01:28 |
| kerio | and then winter comes and you freeze your ass off and starve | 01:28 |
| kerio | look at xev maybe | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I need that for generic input from sensors | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in a controller alike setup | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually I'd use a USB 16 GPIO extender | 01:30 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why a mouse? | 01:30 |
| kerio | will position matter? | 01:30 |
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| kerio | like, the position of the cursor | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because a mouse is cheaper than such GPIO dongle | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, as already mentioned I will run that script on a console, so any mouse moving doesn't interfere | 01:31 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: use ncurses and enable mouse input :D | 01:31 |
| kerio | gpm should work, in the linux consoles | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just want *raw* button-pressed?1:0 | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or get a SIGUSR1 whenever it's pressed and a SIGUSR2 whenever it gets released | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | think of sth like a stopwatch | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the 'app' starts on system init and takes control over the whole machine | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and mousebuttons are your start/stop and reset buttons | 01:35 |
| kerio | hm, i can't seem to *find* anything to do that | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while only input from kbd that matters is ^C | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or ctrl-alt-del ;-D | 01:36 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well | 01:36 |
| kerio | try gpm to enable the mouse in the consoles | 01:36 |
| kerio | then enable mouse tracking and read | 01:36 |
| kerio | like `printf "\e[?9h"` | 01:37 |
| kerio | each mouse event is 6 characters | 01:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://cfajohnson.com/shell/?2005-07-15_mousetraps | 01:37 |
| kerio | i'm not sure if it will work inside of a linux console | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks a lot | 01:37 |
| kerio | it'll work under xterm, for sure | 01:37 |
| Skry | xinput --test | 01:40 |
| Riviera | it would require something like gpm for the linux console | 01:40 |
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| Skry | ah, console, right | 01:41 |
| Skry | lazy reader | 01:41 |
| Riviera | (the sequences are the same in the console as for xterm, though) | 01:42 |
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| Skry | anyway, there is also evtest | 01:54 |
| Skry | gn from here too | 01:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cat /dev/input/mouse0|od -x -w2; already yields almost all I need | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless thanks | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | now maybe I manage to decouple mouse0 from trackpad of that laptop, and actually disable the mouse for X11 | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then I wouldn't even need to shutdown X11 for this to work unattended | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you wonder: the true purpose is kinda that of a doorchime playing a random chime *.wav each time the button gets pressed | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | to make all that a tiny bit less booring, the laptop shall shut down when mains power gets switched off, and shall boot or resume to that chime app when mains power gets restored | 02:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/boo/bo/ | 02:40 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: to make all that a tiny bit less boring, the laptop shall shut down when mains power gets switched off, and shall boot or resume to that chime app when mains power gets restored | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | allowed hardware mods: slaughter a mouse to wire the door chime button to the mouse button switch | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure on N900 I had chosen different input method | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like hold button on headset | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but a N900 was too expensive for that job | 02:43 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: may i suggest hooking up a physical bell to the door? | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I said "kinda like" | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did I? | 02:50 |
| FIQ | lol | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus the random part is essential | 02:51 |
| kerio | btw, why slaughter a mouse and not a keyboard? | 02:51 |
| FIQ | umm what's this about? | 02:51 |
| FIQ | a random doorbell tune? | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also retriggerability and general finegrained control over behaviour in niche cases is important | 02:52 |
| kerio | may i suggest hooking up the kinda like door to a double pendulum that hits tiny bells in a random order | 02:52 |
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| FIQ | one of my relatives actually have random tunes playing when you doorbell | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's about a advert poster that plays random messages when PIR motion detectors show somebody is near | 02:52 |
| FIQ | mhm | 02:53 |
| FIQ | sounds more advanced than the above then | 02:53 |
| kerio | (also, where is a n900 more expensive than a laptop? :o) | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: the guy managing this acted prematurely, or he already had a mouse laying around, and he also thought a mouse is "mechanically simpler to handle" than a kbd with its matrix and stuff | 02:54 |
| kerio | (as in :o and then ) | 02:54 |
| FIQ | kerio: old used laptops (which I guess would fit this purpose) probably cost less | 02:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fair 'nuff | 02:54 |
| FIQ | and they're easier to get on hold of to... | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: exactly | 02:54 |
| FIQ | *too | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might have to deal with up to 4 or 5 PIR sensors, to detect approach as well as wandering off of visitors | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have to handel multiple visitors | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have to handle timeouts to avoid endless loops when bulks of 100s of visiotrs pass by | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there might be even requirements about the not so random randomness | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like "text C never must follow on text A" | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | end user might want to chanhe textx "on the fly" | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | change* | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there might be mandatory pause times between texts | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (which is easy to accomplish with silent recorting tailing the text in *.wav, but I can think of more elegant ways to implement it) | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so ut took me 00:2:15 to come up with the complete concept after customer explained what he needs | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and in that 2min 15s I said "mouse, for example" | 03:01 |
| kerio | dammit doc, why didn't you say "usb gpio" | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because there been tough cost constraints | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and also time constraints, the whole thing has to work in 2 days | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the jobs we like most ;-P | 03:04 |
| kerio | why do you always end up in situations where there's less than the healthy amount of time available? | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, 2 days is more than enough to write that silly little bash script | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm more worried about the "wake on power return" which is not a function generally found on laptops | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course got introduced into specs after initial concept been agreed upon | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and laptop got purchased | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (t60, for 150EUR) | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dman, those crittest have a poor screen ;-) | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, those critters have a poor screen ;-) | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tiny 1024*768 | 03:07 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: power key on a timer | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RTC-ALARM | 03:07 |
| kerio | no, like a physical timer, i guess | 03:08 |
| kerio | hooked up to the power key | 03:08 |
| kerio | make linux ignore it | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have no problem at all to power down the shit when mains->battery mode | 03:08 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why even have it with the battery connected? | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I won't disassembel that T60 and solder wires to the power key | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good point | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but still, would it boot on power return? | 03:09 |
| kerio | idk, check the bios | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought of having it wake up every NN minutes on RTC-alarm, check if it's on mains power or battery power, and set new RTC-alarm and suspend again when on battery | 03:11 |
| kerio | hm, make it wake up every NN minutes on RTC-alarm, and remove the battery | 03:11 |
| kerio | (hopefully the backup battery can last enough) | 03:11 |
| kerio | hold on, "wake up"? | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: it's a laptop, tose usually have no "boot on power return" bios option | 03:11 |
| kerio | anyway, a raspberry pi costs much less than 150EUR, has audio and gpio | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas RTC can only have one alarm per day scheduled | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but coding all that shit on RPi would require me to first *get* such RPi and then install a development environment for it | 03:13 |
| kerio | it would require you to first get such a RPi and then vi awesoemadverts.sh | 03:14 |
| kerio | and then... idk, run it from rc.local | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not able to accomplish all that in 48h | 03:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I offered a N810 for lease, for 30 bucks a month, but that been no option | 03:17 |
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| kerio | fwiw, i'd probably *require* 30 bucks a month to host a n810 | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but then you're not the customer | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who is as technophob as it gets | 03:18 |
| kerio | anyway, you lost an occasion to sell one of your half-broken n900s for 150€ :P | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i have no half-broken N900, and honestly I been asked if I could sell one of them, but I didn't like to | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we finally decided that a standard ISA laptop, used one for cheap, was the best solution | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when it breaks during that project running, everybody can get replacement in no time | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and after that project ends, it still has a certain value for the customer. Unlike e.g. a RPi | 03:21 |
| xes | DocScrutinizer05: ....have you considered one eeebox? | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that i really knew what that is, except that it sounds like eeePC, but we had only 48h to get hw and implement the complete set | 03:23 |
| kerio | xes: raspberry motherfuckin pi! | 03:23 |
| kerio | the eeebox is like a mac mini | 03:23 |
| kerio | except not expensive | 03:23 |
| kerio | ie a "real" desktop computer | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't be available at that shop next door where my friend bought that T60 | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that a laptop was a particularly smart idea, given that you could get a cheesy used desktop PC for <100 bucks | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while that T60 cost 150 | 03:25 |
| xes | well, i have one box filled of eeebox, i love them , when i need a spare pc, connection boxes, vpn, firewall, monitoring systems etc...i pick one, and.. done! ;) | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm only the system architect and coder monkey, and I haven't put any particular constraints on hw to get, except "runs linux, has a external mouse or kbd" | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my friend does all the shopping and hw mods needed, also probably will get a amp and speakers, and the PIR sensors, and in the end he sells the whole thing to customer | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and he called me and told me "eh, I got a T60, and here's a mouse I will rewire to the PIR sensors" | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "could you please come down to 1st floor and install linux on that laptop?" | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I told him how to install linux while i ate my pizza ;-D | 03:30 |
| kerio | xes: why the eeebox and not something smaller? :s | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now until Friday I'll write a cheesy little bash script, and hope for everything to work as expected when that exhibition opens doors on weekend | 03:31 |
| xes | kerio: it's easy: time! They use a sata disk that i can prepare into a desktop pc in 10 minutes without wait "intel Atom" times... And they also have all the peripherals of a standard pc in the same misures of a router | 03:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, anothe one for you, if you're still bored and willing to help a little: I have /dev/input/mouse1 and /dev/input/mouse0. How ould I tell X to ignore mouse1? | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui all mouse* are merged into /dev/input/mice | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is kinda PITA for what I need to implement | 03:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 looks at /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/11-mouse.conf and pukes | 03:43 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 frowns at /dev/input/event* as well | 03:44 | |
| xes | humm... my friend used an rs232 usb adaptor to read the status of a pir sensor... | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that would've been my approach if we had a)time and b)funds | 03:48 |
| xes | this could be interesting: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4469/disable-mouse-not-touchpad-in-xorg-while-idle | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sounds good | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 03:49 |
| xes | using actkbd | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: indeed this is *exactly* what i needed, many thanks :-D | 03:54 |
| xes | yw! ;-) | 03:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xinput --disable "Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse"; while :; do od -An -N3 -tx1 -w3 /dev/input/mouse1; aplay $(head -n $(( RANDOM % $(cat wh_wav-to-play.cfg |wc -l) + 1 )) wh_wav-to-play.cfg|tail -n 1); done | 08:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cheesy enough ;-P | 08:49 |
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| cryptonite | hello | 10:16 |
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| jaska | o.O | 10:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | O.o | 10:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | .oO°Oo.o.oOo. | 10:32 |
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| qwazix | ZogG_laptop, hey | 11:38 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, why are you emitting bubbles :P ? | 11:39 |
| qwazix | btw I probably won't be able to attend friday's meeting, it's the friday before easter here. | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because my life starts to suck | 11:42 |
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| unclouded | eject | 12:22 |
| unclouded | whoops, wrong window | 12:23 |
| florian | unclouded: harmess... unless it was the control terminal of your F16 ;) | 12:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf MAIL?? | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I nuked sth? | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, no idea. All back to normal | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, ECHAN | 12:35 |
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| n900-dk | Would it be possible to LTE-enable the N900 in some way with a connected USB-dongle? | 14:46 |
| zammy | same question I posted my first day I connected to this channel | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | USB Vbus power is 5V*100mA max, way too low for LTE dongle | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, maybe 200? | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still too low | 14:58 |
| chem|st | n900-dk: with a powered OTG adapter maybe | 15:00 |
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| n900-dk | okay, maybe easier with a transportable LTE-router then | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw it's debatable how much sense such project makes | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with internal UMTS modem you outperform any LTE via N900 fake USB | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok ping latencies are probably lower on LTE still | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and power saving might work better | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but mere maximum theoretical bandwidth isn't a good argument for LTE | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in this case | 15:08 |
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| n900-dk | USB will be a bottleneck? | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 performs rather poor on H-E-N USB hostmode | 15:09 |
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| n900-dk | ok | 15:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems even with highspeed mode correctly negotiated USB can't reach even a fraction of the USB2.0 bandwidth of 480Mbit | 15:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *might* be related to storage drivers though, the tests I heard of been done with memsticks | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or HDD drives | 15:14 |
| cryptonite | guys i have thins strange issue with my n900, running conky i see that the image-viewer app is running and is using 90 mb ram and 270mb vram | 15:16 |
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| kerio | cryptonite: so kill it with fire | 15:32 |
| kerio | or with nine | 15:32 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 has no faith in conky | 15:37 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 prefers a decent htop in a decent xterm any day | 15:37 | |
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| Raimu | I've noticed seeing exact memory usages on the n900 is downright tricky | 16:23 |
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| chiappa | can only login through talk.maemo.org, site icon images broken, cannot post.. for a few days now the forum is acting pretty weird | 16:46 |
| chiappa | am i alone with this? | 16:47 |
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| chiappa | oh never mind=) it was just the archive | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 16:50 |
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| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: I guess it worths mentioning cssu-thumb on http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup | 19:42 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: I am biased a bit, that is why I don't want to add that :) | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | (to the wiki page) | 19:43 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: Beginners wiki, do you have a "Stable" branch yet :) | 20:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Is there a Thumb wiki page? | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: come on, beginners and KP :P | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | sirdancealot: no wiki page, maybe I should copy the information from the thread to the wiki | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | oops sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ | 20:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | KP without overclock is noted as a recommended but not important step. | 20:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | KP is important for smartreflex and other bug fixes. | 20:10 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: naah, I don;t want to argue on that, I was just guessing it will be a good idea. BTW no matter what you think about "stable/testing" branch I try (and I think I succeed) to keep CSSU-thumb more stable than CSSU-S ;) | 20:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I don't see why CSSU Thumb couldn't have it's own page and links to CSSU main page? | 20:11 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: no reason besides someone should write it :) | 20:12 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I know what you mean about stable/testing but where do you draw the line to be newbie friendly :) | 20:13 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: should I start a Thumb page and link it to CSSU page using your OP? | 20:15 |
| Woody14619 | sixwheeledbeast, Win7Mac: Any feedback on the "How Elections Work" wiki page would be useful. This is a rough draft right now, so.. Want to be sure in the end that it's clear to anyone reading how things work. | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: if nothing has changed (from to user POV) after installation, I'd say it is newbie friendly :) | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: I'll appreciate it | 20:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | In testing/thumb that's not the case then, AFAIK. Testing forces rotation and cameraui2 etc | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: rotation is no longer forced | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: oh, you mean desktop rotation? | 20:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I'll look into both wiki's above in minute. Yes desktop rotation, the way I see it testing should force you to test all things whereas Stable should keep the same UX | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: honestly, I'd assume SR way more "newbie unfriendly" and unstable in general than any CSSU flavour. No, desktop rotation is meant to be a production feature, not some testing stuff | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: there is "forced rotation" for applications, but that's a different beer | 20:20 |
| n900-dk | anything not working in CSSU-thumb? | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | n900-dk: AFAIK no | 20:21 |
| n900-dk | so a non-thumb app will work fine? | 20:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: SR newbie unfriendly for stock freqs? really? It is released via a "stable" channel to all users. I understand many get confused between desktop rotation and forced... | 20:24 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: SR is not "released" as it is disabled by default, one should enable it to make it active | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | n900-dk: yes | 20:25 |
| kerio | freemangordon: hold on, what's unstable with SR? | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | kerio: hmm? I was comparing it with CSSU-thumb, not saying that it is unstable (for stock freqs) | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | kerio: read the backscroll please | 20:27 |
| kerio | i see | 20:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well I see what you mean but IMO KP and CSSU come hand in hand as part of the community fixes. | 20:28 |
| freemangordon | hmm, why is that? CSSU has no dependency to KP | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | and it will bring its own kernel (hopefully with the next after the next update) | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | which will be stripped down KP of course, but still | 20:30 |
| * ShadowJK has had a few gst/dsp crashes after switching to thumb+sr | 20:31 | |
| ShadowJK | but i also switched device | 20:32 |
| n900-dk | gst/dsp? | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | when watching video | 20:33 |
| kerio | i sometimes get some crashes | 20:33 |
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| kerio | with streaming video | 20:33 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: do you have those crashes with SR disabled? | 20:33 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: I guess you don't OC. | 20:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | KP is required for Smartreflex, IPv6, CIFS, Mobile hotspot etc. I honestly thought SR was enabled as default with KP tho. | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | i dont | 20:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Is there a point to strip down KP why no depend on it? | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | I noticed voltages changed from the at-boot ones when loadinf "default", and tried to make custom profile with sr and boot volts, but it's different still *shrug* | 20:35 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: no, SR is disabled by default | 20:39 |
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| freemangordon | ShadowJK: "default" profile enables SR | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: does it crash when you load the untweaked "default" profile? | 20:40 |
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| freemangordon | ShadowJK: also, what crash do you see, "DSP MMU fault"? | 20:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Woody14619: I see no issues. Works well following "the life of a single vote" | 20:44 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Seems silly not to use SR if it's stable. Hmm I see your point. So when will CSSU come with K-CSSU? | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: got to run, will continue tomorrow :) | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | night | 20:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gn | 20:55 |
| Win7Mac | nighty... | 20:55 |
| Woody14619 | Thanks sixwheeledbeast. Win7Mac has some input on it, since some may be confusing to non-native speakers. Wll be blending as best we can to see if we can make sure everyone like sit. | 20:56 |
| Woody14619 | s/like sit/likes it/ | 20:56 |
| infobot | Woody14619 meant: Thanks sixwheeledbeast. Win7Mac has some input on it, since some may be confusing to non-native speakers. Wll be blending as best we can to see if we can make sure everyone likes it. | 20:56 |
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| ShadowJK | freemangordon; yeah the untweaked default profile is what crashed. Unfortunately I don't remember the dmesg of crash right now, I'll let you know next time it happens | 21:10 |
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| Mr_Stupid | Hello, anybody here familiar with py2deb? | 21:47 |
| Mr_Stupid | The wiki says i should build my app in MyDocs and that i have to take care about correct permissions set. But MyDocs is fat, so i can't set permissions? | 21:49 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I didn't get on with py2deb. Not much help I know. Have you looked at threads on tmo? | 21:53 |
| Mr_Stupid | Yes, i searched tmo. But didn't find anything | 21:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Mr_Stupid: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80914 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83946 - Try these? | 21:58 |
| Mr_Stupid | thx, i'll have a look | 21:59 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | There is now a thumb wiki page :) http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb | 22:41 |
| Mr_Stupid | Hmmm, i didn't try thumb yet :) | 22:42 |
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| panjgoori | thanks for the wiki sixwheeledbeast | 22:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Woody14619: Not sure if I am being thick but I am not sure I understand the new table | 22:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | panjgoori: fmg did the hard work I just wikified it really and fixed duff grammar. | 22:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | table is : http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team/How_Elections_Work#Cloning_Voting_Tokens | 22:47 |
| n900-dk | Can you go from CSSU-Testing to CSSU-Thumb without reflashing? | 22:52 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | yes | 22:57 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | you can go from any flavour to thumb | 22:58 |
| n900-dk | apps must be thumb enabled when compiled to benefit from thumb? Sorry for stupid questions :) | 22:59 |
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| * n900-dk don't really get thumb.. | 23:01 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | no, existing applications can be used. However thumb versions of applications OMP, qtworldclock) will reduce used memory more. | 23:02 |
| n900-dk | ok, but only very few apps have thumb versions? | 23:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | n900-dk: what don't you get, I can try to explain. | 23:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yes at the moment there's not many, hopefully autobuilder will be able to compile thumb versions in the future. | 23:04 |
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| n900-dk | I understand the smaller footprint and faster execution, but as long as very few apps are thumb enabled, I don't understand how to really benefit from thumb. Guess I need to try it to have my own experience :) | 23:11 |
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| Win7Mac | How ya like me now: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team/How_Elections_Work#Overview | 23:34 |
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| Win7Mac | does this make sense to you?: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Maemo.org_team/How_Elections_Work&curid=5352&diff=51497&oldid=51496 | 23:36 |
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| n900-dk | hmm, I need libxmuu1 for installing snx. How do I get libxmuu1? | 23:46 |
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| Mr_Stupid | libxmuu1 is in the repos | 23:51 |
| Mr_Stupid | apt-get install libxmuu1 | 23:51 |
| n900-dk | which repo? Guess I dont have it.. | 23:53 |
| Mr_Stupid | look: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libxmuu1/ | 23:55 |
| Mr_Stupid | btw, what's snx? | 23:56 |
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