IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-04-29

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DocScrutinizer05last call for referendum voting!01:36
DocScrutinizer05if you can't find your token mail: you can get it resent to you, see
DocScrutinizer05(^^^ a note inspired by the fact that we seen complaints about sending token mails *too early* :-o  )01:38
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Sc0rpiusok I voted for the referendum01:45
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DocScrutinizer05I'm not really concerned that referendum would fail, but it would shed a bad light on MCC and community if only two dizen community members would bother to vote. We *need* a strong support from community to feel confident for the duties to come01:58
DocScrutinizer05or let me put it this way: if community doesn't care, so why should we or anybody we're talking to?01:58
DocScrutinizer05this is true for referendum but even more for council elections02:00
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DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: thanks! :-)02:04
Sc0rpiusso usually there are no more than 50 voters?02:04
hardfalconDocScrutinizer05: I haven't been in the forum for quite a while, and I don't know most people, so how should I decide who to vote for?02:05
Sc0rpiusthe referendum is a yes/no question02:05
Sc0rpiusso this one in particular should be easy02:06
DocScrutinizer05you may read the candidate declarations in
DocScrutinizer05but - as Sc0rpius said - tyou have another 8 or so days to do that02:06
DocScrutinizer05 is spiced with links to all the relevant sources of information02:07
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hardfalconhmmm, so if I understand all of this correctly, I'm not eligible to vote, as I haven't got any mail token02:15
hardfalconand if I remember correctly, I don't have a garage account, either02:16
DocScrutinizer05then obviously you don't understand everything correctly02:16
hardfalconthat is very well possible, indeed02:16
DocScrutinizer05well, the latter would be a major obstacle indeed, but still not a showstopper02:16
hardfalconah, I think I've found it02:17
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DocScrutinizer05>>Important info: This time basically everybody is entitled to participate in voting and we very much like to ask you to actually do. If you haven't received a token mail yet, this might be either due to problems with sending the mail to you, or you're not in the bunch that automatically got a mail due to karma or account age issues. please see how to proceed, there's probably no02:17
DocScrutinizer05reason why you shouldn't be allowed to vote.<<02:17
hardfalconyes, I think I've found it02:17
DocScrutinizer05we'd need a proof that your been around on maemo at large for >4 weeks at least. People emerging from nowhere just to vote won't get a token02:18
hardfalconI haven't logged in for some time, let's see if my account is still there...02:19
DocScrutinizer05being on tmo or on IRC for >4 weeks would suffice to show your honest interest and prove you're not a sock puppet02:19
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hardfalconbut I've never been that active anyhow :/02:19
DocScrutinizer05doesn't matter02:20
hardfalconhmm, I've jus grepped through my password list, seems I have a garage account and even a bugtracker account02:22
DocScrutinizer05if your email setting in your garage account are correct, you either already got a token mail there, or you send a mail to council as suggested in and I can send it to you in no time02:22
hardfalconI'll check, wait a sec02:23
hardfalconah, at least the garage account still works =)02:24
DocScrutinizer05if however your garage account has an invalid or deceased email addr then editing it will be needed and mail to council will be needed and we need several days to process _that_ particular type of request02:24
hardfalconno, the mail for the garage account is still valid :)02:24
hardfalconthough it may take a few minutes until your mail makes it through the greylisting filter02:24
DocScrutinizer05ok, if you don't mind send it to me in a query, and I check02:24
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DocScrutinizer05you go mail! ;-)02:30
DocScrutinizer05you got mail! ;-)02:30
DocScrutinizer05damn typos02:31
hardfalconthx :)02:34
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DocScrutinizer05mail arrived?02:38
hardfalconyes and no02:40
DocScrutinizer05I'd hope that should eventually get over it02:41
hardfalconbut I've put your mail server on the whitelist a few seconds ago02:41
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hardfalconit will02:41
DocScrutinizer05mails are sent by our standard mail gateway that should retry02:41
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hardfalconahhh, it arrived already 5 minutes ago but I didn't see it in my mail client because your mail didn't have a date, so it was at the *very* bottom of my inbox02:45
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DocScrutinizer05sorry for that02:51
hardfalconnah, no problem :)02:51
hardfalconI saw in my server logs that your mail had passed so I knew it couldn't have gone lost ^^02:52
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CopernicusHi folks.  I'm hopeless at IRC chat, but just wanted to join for a moment to say that the autobuilder seems stuck in a loop...03:22
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rikaneeCopernicus: ping X-Fade03:29
hardfalconI've done that already03:29
hardfalconno need to do it again03:29
CopernicusCool, I figured somebody'd already noticed it.  It's been in a loop for almost six hours now.03:30
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DocScrutinizer05x-fade seems no longer in duty for autobuilder03:54
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DocScrutinizer05so, when you got any issues with to report, you probably best ping me or warfare03:56
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DocScrutinizer05or you send a mail to techstaff@maemo.org03:56
DocScrutinizer05but I can't see any problem with autobuilder03:57
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, what's the exact end time of the referendum voting?04:11
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hardfalcon1DocScrutinizer05: I've just forwarded the message, I've got no access to autobuilder myself04:12
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, voting for the referendum seems closed already.04:18
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DocScrutinizer05DAMN! even04:28
DocScrutinizer05OMG Woody14619a!!!!!04:30
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DocScrutinizer05you see why I'm absolutely beyond burnout? there's not a single thing I dare to delegate04:45
hardfalcon1DocScrutinizer05: just relax, you can't chance it anyhow04:47
hardfalcon1and besides I don't think that people will make a big fuss out of this, otherwise you'd probably have spared yourself the pain of organizing a referendum and an election for these people, anyhow04:49
hardfalcon1I'm no legal expert, but I'd just use the result of this referendum to proceed with the elections as scheduled, and do a second referendum afterwards to legitimate the election rules a second time afterwards04:53
DocScrutinizer05nah, I try to get referendum re-opened. A 2h downtime is no issue yet04:58
hardfalcon1sounds cool :)04:59
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ron0062000well is the votes over05:41
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DocScrutinizer05no, _the_votes_ are just about to start05:51
DocScrutinizer05we have a downtime issue with referendum voting05:51
ron0062000o ok05:52
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DocScrutinizer05actually when ron0062000 asked, the referendum voting booth already should've been re-opened :-/08:46
DocScrutinizer05another night wasted in useless panic mode08:47
DocScrutinizer05I'm soooooo fed up with all this08:49
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skyroveRRHello, I own a nokia C5-00, and it has an ARM 11 processor running at 600 MHz, and my RAM is 123MB, and the ROM is around 7616kB, meaning 7.5MB, roughly, I was wondering whether I can install linux on my phone.09:35
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rikaneeskyroveRR: good luck getting past Nokia's enforced NOLO code signing and renamed ARM registers09:41
skyroveRRAlright.. well I am new to flashing, so, could you elaborate that for me, please?09:42
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skyroveRRrikanee: Uh, nvm, I found it, I just wanted a few links and I found it through google.09:50
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zammyhere we are finally I received my n90012:54
zammyhands on12:54
zammylol the previous user has forgotten to delete his own video and files12:55
Rivierait's a common test by intelligence services to check on your trustworthiness12:56
Rivierayou've been chosen, but likely just failed12:57
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zammyI will keep some music12:57
zammybut vids were sucky12:58
kerioit's a common test by RIAA to check on your trustworthiness12:58
kerioyou've been chosen, but likely just failed12:58
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keriozammy: do a full reflash12:58
zammyhow to do that12:59
keriohell, if you feel full paranoid, you should reflash nolo via coldflash and then do a full reflash12:59
infobotmaemo-flashing is probably
infobotsomebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see  or
kerio(and even then, you'd be putting your faith in the ROMBL rom)12:59
keriozammy: read the first link12:59
kerioclick the first link12:59
kerioand read the curresponding page13:00
zammythi wiki?13:00
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zammyuh james blunt it's ok13:02
zammyhe had james blunt13:02
zammyfucking good speakers dude13:04
zammyeven jazz13:04
zammyno some music is good13:04
zammyI don't wanna flash over all13:05
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keriozammy: don't complain when your bank account data gets stolen then13:14
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zammyhow to write the sys blue symbols13:19
zammyon this keyboard13:19
zammyoh I got it13:20
zammyshit on sudo I don't know the password13:21
rikaneezammy: 'sudo gainroot'13:22
rikaneeor 'rootsh'13:22
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XATRIXHi guys, i'm trying to share some .jpg file via TinySMB , i can connect to share, but it lists no files in13:23
XATRIXAny idea what's wrong with it ?13:23
XATRIXIf i use built-in file manager and open my microSD , where the files are - it can find all the files i need13:24
XATRIXBut no files diplayed via smb13:24
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zammyhey kerio that flashing guide fails because there is an errore occurring while processing my request at
infobotfrom memory, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:
keriofirst link13:31 is in a weird state13:31
kerionokia guaranteed that that stuff wouldn't go away13:31
kerioand then it went away13:31
zammyI got it on
zammyhowever default root password should be?13:34
kerioadvice: uninstall the "cherry" package before putting your sim in13:34
keriothere's no default root password13:34
kerioand the "user" user isn't allowed to sudo, by default13:34
kerioand su doesn't work13:34
kerioinstall openssh with the graphical package manager13:34
kerioit'll ask you to set the root password13:34
keriothen you can ssh root@localhost13:34
kerioit's the cleanest way13:34
zammyI mean on xterminal into my n90013:35
kerioi also meant that13:35
zammyhow to install stuff13:35
kerio"application manager" in the menu13:35
keriountil you get root access13:35
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zammywow I can even read pdf13:36
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zammywell sudo gainroot works13:38
zammysomething happened weird13:39
zammyI wrote yes13:39
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zammyand it's in loop now with y13:39
zammyI have done ctrl c13:40
zammyas on normal terminal13:40
zammyif it asks me if I am root13:41
zammywhat's the answer?13:41
zammysimply y?13:41
zammyI don't get root13:42
XATRIXyou can check whether you're root or not with #whoami13:44
XATRIXif it returns root - you are13:45
zammymaybe on /etc/sudoers13:45
zammyI find13:45
zammyit says me I am user sigh!13:46
XATRIXIs there anyone who code tinysmb ?13:49
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XATRIXzammy: install 'sudser'13:51
XATRIXthen simply #rush13:51
XATRIXand you're done13:51
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zammykerio,  having installed rootsh15:43
zammywhat now?15:43
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Sysaxedhas anybody tried smscon? I'm trying to use email feature but email are not arriving at all17:34
Sysaxedaddress, username, emailfrom - all are just my email17:36
Sysaxedmailserver:, port 46517:36
Sysaxedand for password I use google generated password (because I use 2-step verification)17:37
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Sysaxedport 587 works correctly17:44
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, updated the supporters page for HiFo18:18
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zammyI find problems with this nokia n90018:19
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Sysaxedzammy: ?18:22
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zammyI want root user18:25
zammywhen whoami I get user18:25
zammyI would  be root18:25
zammyI got rootsh this makes me get su18:26
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zammykerio,  you said to get remote access you were right but how to get it if I can't also install openssh18:36
keriousing the graphical package manager18:36
kerioaka Application Manager18:36
kerioalso, have you reflashed?18:36
Sysaxedwhat do you mean by "can't install openssh" ?18:36
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zammynot reflashed18:37
zammyalright I have just installed it now18:38
Sysaxedwhy would you need to reflash just to install it?18:38
zammyI don't even get application manager18:39
kerioSysaxed: it's a new used n90018:39
keriozammy: yes you do18:39
kerioit's in the menu18:39
zammyalright I get inside that blue cool looks like ps3 menu18:40
zammythat cool blue electric18:40
zammybut I don't get any list of packages18:40
zammyneither some repository into catalogs18:40
zammyI don't get a list18:41
zammynow I am still installing openssh18:41
zammyit takes a big time to install18:41
zammynow all done18:42
zammyAAAAAAAAAAAAA finally I am in by ssh in remote18:42
zammyNokia-N900:~# sudo apt-get install wget18:43
zammyroot is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.18:43
zammyalso if I wrote in x terminal inside the n900 sudo gainroot... having super user as user as well18:43
zammythen trying to install wget I got the same message18:44
zammyit's not in the sudoers18:44
jacekowskijust apt-get install wget18:44
jacekowskiyou are root already18:44
zammyNokia-N900:~# apt-get install wget18:44
zammyE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)18:44
zammyE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?18:44
jacekowskiham is running probably18:45
jacekowskior something18:45
zammyalright I closed it18:45
jacekowskitry again18:45
zammyit works18:45
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zammyI am loving it18:46
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zammyapparently the previous user of this nokia neither knew about linux18:46
zammyhe was just using iphone18:46
zammythis is the reasone why he sold me this n90018:47
zammyI don't need to flash it18:47
jacekowskiyou may want to reflash it just in case he messed something up18:47
zammybut at moments I am selecting its music selection18:48
zammythen I can save all this music and if I will want to... I will reflash18:48
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zammysomething got wrong18:50
zammyI haved done passwd root18:50
zammythen I entered and re-entered my passwd18:51
zammyI try to access to root then on x terminal on n90018:51
zammylogin incorrect18:51
DocScrutinizer05and we've learnt another invaluable lesson: test logins in a SECOND shell while keeping first shell open to revert our edits18:52
DocScrutinizer05just in case login fails18:52
zammyI am more familiar to use nano18:53
zammybut here default is vi18:53
zammyI would to install nano18:53
zammydoes not allow18:53
zammyhow to close vi18:54
DocScrutinizer05hah, that's the reason I rarely ever use vi18:55
DocScrutinizer05try sth like <esc>q!18:55
DocScrutinizer05or ask somebody else18:55
n900-dkzammy: <esc>:q!18:56
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n900-dkor <esc>:wq! - if you want to write and quit :)18:57
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zammyI have closed the ssh18:58
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zammyI messed up with terminator18:58
zammywhat does this mean
zammycool how email works fine19:00
zammyI got it19:02
zammyit's italian S and not english Y19:02
zammyLOOOOOOOOL /etc/apt/sources.list is empty19:04
zammyand I am using nano finally so I know what I am seeing19:04
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zammyuh I got my x terminal inside n900 working now19:06
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zammyI am root19:06
zammywtf about repository19:06
zammyhow looks like your /etc/apt/sources.list ?19:07
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DocScrutinizer05reflash already!19:10
DocScrutinizer05my /etc/apt/sources.list  looks all fine, since I never edited it manually since I flashed device19:11
DocScrutinizer05which btw is a very poor idea, since on maemo you got other files than that19:12
DocScrutinizer05(I mean editing /etc/apt/sources.list is a really poor idea)19:13
DocScrutinizer05less /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/19:14
DocScrutinizer05and even that is a poor idea to edit manually19:15
DocScrutinizer05*always* use Hildon Application Manager aka HAM menu "catalogs" to edit repos19:16
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zammyalright now I have made all repository complete19:31
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zammykerio,  latest n900 firmware is this ?
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zammyalright all done latest firmware... I am gonna to flash it by my win7...20:21
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sixwheeledbeastzammy: XP or ubuntu is better if possible20:31
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DocScrutinizer05zammy: latest firmware is20:59
infobotrumour has it, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see  or
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zammyyes DocScrutinizer05 I used that firmware21:16
zammykerio,  said me that21:16
zammybut as I have done it I found out it's the same as before21:17
zammywith inside all that music21:17
zammyand all other stuff belonging to previous user21:17
zammyI don't complain about having that21:17
zammyI just wanted to discover how could I do a flash of my n90021:18
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zammyas a ritual21:18
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zammyand maybe I have done a better flash to the newest one21:19
sixwheeledbeastyou need to flash both, combined and rootfs to remove everything.21:19
zammywhy should I remove all?21:20
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zammyhowever yes! I have updated at the latest firmware21:21
zammyI can notice a big difference21:21
DocScrutinizer05please see21:22
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infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is
DocScrutinizer05read it once, from first to very last line, not skipping anything21:23
DocScrutinizer05after you've done that, read again21:23
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DocScrutinizer05then wait an hour which you take for pondering all stuff and particularly effects you see, like "this is the same firmware, with all the music"21:24
DocScrutinizer05then after an hour or two, read ~flashing a third time21:24
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sixwheeledbeastlol, it does take some absorbing.21:26
sixwheeledbeastMajor edits for different versions of Maemo didn't help.21:26
zammybut which is the purpose... I mean it sounds really interesting I would really work on it, especially to improve my english21:27
zammyI don't anything without a reason21:29
zammysince I have no reason to flash again my phone... well its music is becoming my music21:29
DocScrutinizer05well, then read the headline of, for the reason of 2it tells me what this article is about"21:29
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: well, then read the headline of, for the reason of "it tells me what this article is about"21:30
zammyidk why but since I joined this channel I have opened many many times the same page without have any interest21:31
zammyI have read it21:31
DocScrutinizer05((since I joined this channel I have opened many many times the same page without have any interest)) then I have another page for you:21:32
zammyI know I did just vanilla stuff21:32
zammyI did not combined21:32
infobotfrom memory, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first:
zammyI know iut21:32
zammyhere we are... studying all the night... I suppose21:32
DocScrutinizer05well, when you did just vanilla stuff then you failed epically to grok what's written on
DocScrutinizer05and I'm sure you even failed with "doing VANILLA" as then your predecessor's music would've been gone21:34
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DocScrutinizer05unless it's stored on a uSD21:34
zammythere is no SD21:34
DocScrutinizer05then you definitely failed to flash *anything*21:35
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zammyyes I have just updated21:35
sixwheeledbeastI don't understand the question/problem...21:35
zammydon't you think what I have done it's ok for me?21:35
zammyI wanted all I have done21:35
DocScrutinizer05or you flashed and didn't realize it's *COMBINED* not VANILLA21:35
zammyI have done well what I find now between my hands21:36
zammyI don't really know what's problem21:36
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zammyit's a pure lesson about flashing ?21:36
zammydude thanks a lot but I don't need it21:36
DocScrutinizer05no, it also explains about what it's doing, and that includes explanation what VANILLA and COMBINED *are*21:37
zammyI have read on an italian guide for n90021:37
DocScrutinizer05dude thanks a lot but you *do* need it21:37
zammyI am italian and I would really keep all the night If I would really to flash21:37
sixwheeledbeast DocScrutinizer05: is does yes/no vote end tonight GMT? When will results be available?21:37
zammyI would really keep reading all the night that21:37
zammybut I don't21:37
zammyI am fine thanks21:38
sixwheeledbeasts/is/ /21:38
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant:  DocScrutinizer05:   does yes/no vote end tonight GMT? When will results be available?21:38
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: as soon as somebody starts counting in voting-admin web interface21:38
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sixwheeledbeastso eta tomorrow?21:39
zammyyou know what?21:39
zammyI was also backing up all this memory with all its music21:39
Win7Maclet's do it tonight, will woody do it?21:40
zammybefore doing this first time flash on my n90021:40
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sixwheeledbeastnot rushing anything just unsure of the normal turnaround plan.21:40
DocScrutinizer05well, either he or me21:40
zammyI wanted that I could keep my music21:40
zammyby now this is my music21:40
zammythis is my deal21:40
DocScrutinizer05zammy: then backup MyDocs21:40
DocScrutinizer05to PC21:40
DocScrutinizer05using USB mass storage mode21:41
zammyand I won't be consulting you anymore21:41
zammyso obsessive wtf21:41
Woody14619Win7Mac, DocScrutinizer05: Do what now? :)21:41
DocScrutinizer05Woody14619: eh?21:41
DocScrutinizer05nothing _now_21:41
DocScrutinizer05count referendum later21:41
DocScrutinizer05in ~6h21:42
Woody14619Ah... Yeah.  There's a menu item in admin interface.  "Compute Results of Vote".  Will allow that once the election has closed.21:42
DocScrutinizer05yep, that's basically what I said above, and that either you or me will click on it later21:44
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Win7Macisn't it in ~2h?21:45
zammyDocScrutinizer05,  this the guide leaded me before
zammyprocedure number 1 I followed21:45
sixwheeledbeast23:59 UTC so ~4hrs21:46
sixwheeledbeastg2g, laters :)21:47
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zammyI have pressed u button connected the usb and then I have executed the flash .exe then another execution of another command line then nothing it restarted alone21:47
zammyafter a while21:47
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DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: UTC: 18:5021:50
DocScrutinizer05so it's in 5:1021:50
Win7Macyeah, correct.21:51
Win7Maccan't wait...21:51
DocScrutinizer05I hope for a clear majority voting for yes21:55
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Sysaxedhas anybody tried running bittorrent sync on n900?22:04
Sysaxedas far as I understand it does not need any dependencies22:04
Sysaxedso should be fine22:04
Sysaxedbut I worry about cpu usage22:04
keriocpu usage?22:10
keriothe cpu usage is dwarfed by the battery usage22:10
Win7MacDocScrutinizer05: guess we're all hoping... probably have a last call in the referendum + news aggregator threads?22:13
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Sysaxedkerio: well, I did not understand you :)22:15
DocScrutinizer05I think users are already annoyed by too many calls and mails and votes and stuff to follow that doesn't really interest them22:15
kerioSysaxed: data transfer sucks on the n90022:15
keriosucks battery, that is22:15
Sysaxedyeah, but when it's already synced and no data transfer required, what is going to happen?22:16
Sysaxedhow often would it try to search for updates22:16
Sysaxedand so on22:17
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ecc3gwhat does one mean by bittorrent sync?  just doing a hash check?  why would it need to do updates?22:25
ecc3goh... n/m something different than regular bittorrent...22:27
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Sysaxedecc3g: yeah, it is something similar to dropbox22:30
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kerionot really22:46
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kerioit's an automatic rsync between devices22:47
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n900-dkguess it's to late for a vote token, right?23:18
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